[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma's Visit to FF
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kenny H [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Thanks for the honest apraisal. It's not something we've come to expect from anyone with a TM history. You know, Barry, I believe you say these kinds of things to see just how many people you can involve in lengthy argumentative diatribes. Point taken about the above comment; it was uncalled for and I apologize for it. But to your point, if you had been paying attention I think you would have noticed that I *don't* argue here on FFL (or on any other Internet forum) any more. I just post what I have to say and then allow people to post what they have to say in reply. If they respond to a single post of mine with five or six replies of their own, and I allow them to without either defend- ing my original point or commenting further, that doesn't quite constitute getting involved in lengthy argumentative diatribes in my book. Your mileage may vary. From my point of view, It's usually more like one diatribe, followed by people who got their buttons pushed posting multiple times *trying* to get me to argue with them. :-) I also don't get involved in defending myself when people express their negative opinions of me. It seems to me to be a waste of time. People can say pretty much anything they want about me; I don't care. Some of it may even be true. :-) I am not going to get suckered in past this post. Cool. I've retracted the statement. It made sense at the time, but this morning it doesn't, so I retract it. An old long-time friend of yours from Rama, who is a really long-time friend of mine, recently told me that you really do seem to like to argue. In the past that was more true. Now I really do try to content myself with saying my piece and then allow- ing others to say theirs. I really have no point of view to sell or try to convince people of. Plus, for good or bad, there is really no percentage in me trying to defend something I say here, because by the time someone replies trying to sucker me *into* defending it, I've changed points of view entirely. What's to defend if your point of view changes every few hours? :-) I *will* admit to having a weakness for pushing the buttons of a few people, but that's now down to very few (three, to be exact). Every so often I slip into old habits and say something provocative to them, because they really *can't* let it go past; they are compelled to jump into the fray and act like cultists. So I will freely admit to occasionally posting things *so that* they'll demonstrate once again their cult tendencies. It's a weakness, and I'm trying to get past it, but occaionally I backslide. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma's Visit to FF
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Charging money for meditation is like a mother charging her baby for breast milk. And charging a million dollars for a worthless course or for a crown would be like what? Charging the baby to suck on a dry tit? :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Amma's Visit to FF
On Jul 11, 2006, at 10:10 PM, jim_flanegin wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 11, 2006, at 5:36 PM, jim_flanegin wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Jul 11, 2006, at 2:47 PM, jim_flanegin wrote: Vaj said: They felt he was a "seller of the Vedas" and thus destined for the deepest hell. Not the "saint" some imagine... Jim said: Emphasis on dogma can lead to all kinds of crazy ideas. Just look at the way the dharma of caste is often abused and misunderstood. Or the state of the Catholic Church. You seem to put way too much importance in titles. Vaj said: I think the sages who said that originally saw it as "cause and effect". Charging for the path to liberation was not seen as a good "cause" and therefore had some bad effects... I can't imagine why this would cause bad effects. Even money comes from the same place everything else does...I suppose if they were caught up into the thinking that making money was somehow inconsistent with a spiritual life...I don't know, it seems silly to me, given that a service is being provided. It's an interesting point Jim--I too have found this damnation by jnanis to be bizarre--but not the point. The point was that Amma's remarks were gentle by comparison--and the comparison to a mother caring, touching to everyone (everyone has a mom). I guess meditation is something everyone has an opinion on... In more recent times, some teachers have been more explicit. One was the jnani Papaji:The following is from The Truth Is, Sri H.W.L. Poonja,edited and compiled by Prashanti de Jager, pages 418 - 421 POONJAJI SAID: “This is the Kali Yuga,Even Rakshashas (demons) will incarnate as teachers to mislead you.Those who must be destroyed by these demons will be. Test the Guru by the teaching:without inquiry there is no teaching.Shun every teacher who does not teach inquiry.Directly looking at your own face is the only teaching. If the Guru says 'I am enlightened,'it means the ego is enlightened so stay away.Western teachers who say this are preachers so stay awayand only write books to load more garbage on seekers,and more money in their pockets.They will attract so many students,but in Kali Yuga it is the falsehood which will draw the crowds.The Truth and the true Gurus will be neglected.If there is a teacher and a student for more than one secondthen both of them go to avachi hell!”Papaji, bizarrely, is also one of the main sources of the Pseudo-advaita movement, although this occurred mainly after his death, it also happened while he was still alive--but he put a quick stop to it then. A group of satang service providers began claiming enlightenment, eventually a group of about 50 people did so. Papaji put an end to that confronting the ego trip head on. But as soon as he died it continued and has expanded up to the current day."In the early 90's a sannyasin couple who went to Papaji "got enlightened" in very short order, started holding satsangs and pretty soon had a group of fifty people around them who had also "gotten it." The bubble did burst and no harm was done. In this instance quality control was achieved because Papaji was still in the body. Since he died in 1997 however, many who were with him only a short time are getting into the biz."Were you aware that some children had reported that M. was a demon? An interesting but bizarre factoid. You know what they say about 'out of the mouths of babes'!Ain't life bizarre! __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Buddha shakyamuni Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma's Visit to FF
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kenny H kennyhassman@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Thanks for the honest apraisal. It's not something we've come to expect from anyone with a TM history. You know, Barry, I believe you say these kinds of things to see just how many people you can involve in lengthy argumentative diatribes. Point taken about the above comment; it was uncalled for and I apologize for it. But to your point, if you had been paying attention I think you would have noticed that I *don't* argue here on FFL (or on any other Internet forum) any more. I just post what I have to say and then allow people to post what they have to say in reply. If they respond to a single post of mine with five or six replies of their own, I can't remember anybody ever doing that, actually. Twice, maybe, or even three times once in a while, but Barry has done that himself in response to something that has pushed *his* buttons. and I allow them to without either defend- ing my original point or commenting further, that doesn't quite constitute getting involved in lengthy argumentative diatribes in my book. Your mileage may vary. From my point of view, It's usually more like one diatribe, followed by people who got their buttons pushed posting multiple times *trying* to get me to argue with them. :-) snip I *will* admit to having a weakness for pushing the buttons of a few people, but that's now down to very few (three, to be exact). Every so often I slip into old habits and say something provocative to them, because they really *can't* let it go past; they are compelled to jump into the fray and act like cultists. Just want to point out the tactic here of labeling TMers' rebuttals to Barry's off-the-wall assertions as (1) trying to draw Barry into an argument, and (2) acting like a cultist. The point of the tactic is to dismiss in advance any TMer's disagreement with whatever Barry says. That way he gets to say whatever damn fool thing he wants without having to take responsibility for it. Under Barry's Rules, it's a priori impossible that a TMer is simply correcting one of his misrepresentation or pointing out the illogic of one of his assertions. And these rules apply *only* to TMers. It's never the case with Barry himself, or anyone whose views Barry shares. moved from above In the past that was more true. Now I really do try to content myself with saying my piece and then allow- ing others to say theirs. I really have no point of view to sell or try to convince people of. Given the tactic I just deconstructed, this claim becomes quite hollow. If one has no point of view to sell or try to convince people of, why would one feel the need to frame disagreements so as to invalidate them in advance? And here's the third leg of the tactic: Plus, for good or bad, there is really no percentage in me trying to defend something I say here, because by the time someone replies trying to sucker me *into* defending it, I've changed points of view entirely. What's to defend if your point of view changes every few hours? :-) By characterizing self-contradiction as perfectly valid, Barry manages to expand the range of accepetability of his off-the-wall assertions; they don't even have to agree with *each other*. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma's Visit to FF
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Were you aware that some children had reported that M. was a demon? An interesting but bizarre factoid. You know what they say about 'out of the mouths of babes'! My goodness, how could anyone *ever* label Vaj as an anti-TMer! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma's Visit to FF
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 11, 2006, at 10:10 PM, jim_flanegin wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Jul 11, 2006, at 5:36 PM, jim_flanegin wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Jul 11, 2006, at 2:47 PM, jim_flanegin wrote: Vaj said: They felt he was a seller of the Vedas and thus destined for the deepest hell. Not the saint some imagine... Jim said: Emphasis on dogma can lead to all kinds of crazy ideas. Just look at the way the dharma of caste is often abused and misunderstood. Or the state of the Catholic Church. You seem to put way too much importance in titles. Vaj said: I think the sages who said that originally saw it as cause and effect. Charging for the path to liberation was not seen as a good cause and therefore had some bad effects... I can't imagine why this would cause bad effects. Even money comes from the same place everything else does...I suppose if they were caught up into the thinking that making money was somehow inconsistent with a spiritual life...I don't know, it seems silly to me, given that a service is being provided. It's an interesting point Jim--I too have found this damnation by jnanis to be bizarre--but not the point. The point was that Amma's remarks were gentle by comparison--and the comparison to a mother caring, touching to everyone (everyone has a mom). I guess meditation is something everyone has an opinion on... In more recent times, some teachers have been more explicit. One was the jnani Papaji: The following is from The Truth Is, Sri H.W.L. Poonja, edited and compiled by Prashanti de Jager, pages 418 - 421 POONJAJI SAID: This is the Kali Yuga, Even Rakshashas (demons) will incarnate as teachers to mislead you. Those who must be destroyed by these demons will be. Test the Guru by the teaching: without inquiry there is no teaching. Shun every teacher who does not teach inquiry. Directly looking at your own face is the only teaching. If the Guru says 'I am enlightened,' it means the ego is enlightened so stay away. Western teachers who say this are preachers so stay away and only write books to load more garbage on seekers, and more money in their pockets. They will attract so many students, but in Kali Yuga it is the falsehood which will draw the crowds. The Truth and the true Gurus will be neglected. If there is a teacher and a student for more than one second then both of them go to avachi hell! Papaji, bizarrely, is also one of the main sources of the Pseudo- advaita movement, although this occurred mainly after his death, it also happened while he was still alive--but he put a quick stop to it then. A group of satang service providers began claiming enlightenment, eventually a group of about 50 people did so. Papaji put an end to that confronting the ego trip head on. But as soon as he died it continued and has expanded up to the current day. In the early 90's a sannyasin couple who went to Papaji got enlightened in very short order, started holding satsangs and pretty soon had a group of fifty people around them who had also gotten it. The bubble did burst and no harm was done. In this instance quality control was achieved because Papaji was still in the body. Since he died in 1997 however, many who were with him only a short time are getting into the biz. Were you aware that some children had reported that M. was a demon? An interesting but bizarre factoid. You know what they say about 'out of the mouths of babes'! Ain't life bizarre! Yeah, westerners are always prone to 'instant enlightenment'. I can't recall the name of the guru who said instant enlightenment lasts just for an instant. As to all the stuff you are quoting from Poonjaji, sure Kali Yuga is Kali Yuga, God Bless It, but what does that have to do with anything we are talking about? I thought the conversation was regarding charging money to teach meditation. I still think there is absolutely nothing wrong with it. As to children reporting Maharishi is a demon- so what? We all have both demonic and angelic potential. What is a demon? A demon just like an angel only comes alive in response to our desire. I always found a lot of truth in the expression, 'whatever you put your attention on, grows'. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/2pRQfA/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma's Visit to FF
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: But to your point, if you had been paying attention I think you would have noticed that I *don't* argue here on FFL (or on any other Internet forum) any more. I just post what I have to say and then allow people to post what they have to say in reply. If they respond to a single post of mine with five or six replies of their own, I can't remember anybody ever doing that, actually. Twice, maybe, or even three times once in a while, but Barry has done that himself in response to something that has pushed *his* buttons. Just for fun, this must be an example of the improved memory that TM offers to its practitioners. :-) Since I posted my diatribe about the paranoids who call people anti-TMers, Judy has made over 20 posts on that subject, justifying her divine right to use the term, and trying to make a case for several people here being anti-TM and/or rabid anti-TMers. I guess her much-vaunted memory only works when it's used to dredge up something from years back with which to smear one of the people she doesn't like. :-) :-) :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma's Visit to FF
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip If they respond to a single post of mine with five or six replies of their own, I can't remember anybody ever doing that, actually. Twice, maybe, or even three times once in a while, but Barry has done that himself in response to something that has pushed *his* buttons. Just for fun, this must be an example of the improved memory that TM offers to its practitioners. :-) Caught telling a falsehood, Barry tries desperately to avoid taking responsibility for it and only shows how completely he's willing to sacrifice his integrity for the sake of smearing a TMer: Since I posted my diatribe about the paranoids who call people anti-TMers, Judy has made over 20 posts on that subject, justifying her divine right to use the term, and trying to make a case for several people here being anti-TM and/or rabid anti-TMers. In fact, I only responded *once* to Barry's post. I guess her much-vaunted memory only works when it's used to dredge up something from years back with which to smear one of the people she doesn't like. :-) :-) :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/2pRQfA/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma's Visit to FF
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One interesting comment Amma made to a friend of mine: ³Charging money for meditation is like a mother charging her baby for breast milk.² I find these comments made by one guru about the practices about other gurus to be curious. Why do they need to say anything about it all and instead just not charge for what they do and do things their way. It's kind of a self-aggrandizing/inflammatory/divisive comment (in my opinion). Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma's Visit to FF
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Any news, observations? I went to see her for the first time during her first ever stop in Iowa, however many years ago that was. I'm not at all wired for devotion to and worship of gurus, saints, etc., so the whole experience was very underwhelming (except for the Indian lunch, which was quite good). Having undergone so much transformation since her first visit, I decided to go back and see how I'd react now. I was again underwhelmed by the hug, but I could appreciate the heart value of the gathering, and I was not inclined to make snarky, cynical comments about it like I was the first time. And, again, the Indian lunch was delicious. If I could structure an Ammachi experience according to my own desires, I'd replace the hug with an equal amount of time just gazing directly into her eyes (i.e., like Waking Down's gazing meditation). Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/2pRQfA/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Amma's Visit to FF
On Jul 11, 2006, at 2:12 PM, Kenny H wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One interesting comment Amma made to a friend of mine: ³Charging money for meditation is like a mother charging her baby for breast milk.² I find these comments made by one guru about the practices about other gurus to be curious. Why do they need to say anything about it all and instead just not charge for what they do and do things their way. It's kind of a self-aggrandizing/inflammatory/divisive comment (in my opinion). Given that the traditional comment would be that those who sells meditation would go to the Avachi Hell, I'd say this was much nicer, even kind.When I visited with sannyasis of the Shankaracharya order and naively mentioned that I learned meditation in the "Shanakaracharya tradition", they immediately asked "from who?" When I said it was TM and Maharishi's meditation several of the sannyasis got very angry at this, one was particularly loud and quietly escorted away. Not a nice scene! Last time I ever said that. They felt he was a "seller of the Vedas" and thus destined for the deepest hell. Not the "saint" some imagine... __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Buddha shakyamuni Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma's Visit to FF
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kenny H [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ wrote: One interesting comment Amma made to a friend of mine: ³Charging money for meditation is like a mother charging her baby for breast milk.² I find these comments made by one guru about the practices about other gurus to be curious. Why do they need to say anything about it all and instead just not charge for what they do and do things their way. It's kind of a self-aggrandizing/inflammatory/divisive comment (in my opinion). Also, its just that kind of world- Like who thought 50 years ago that people would buy cases of drinking water at the supermarket? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma's Visit to FF
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 11, 2006, at 2:12 PM, Kenny H wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ wrote: One interesting comment Amma made to a friend of mine: ³Charging money for meditation is like a mother charging her baby for breast milk.² I find these comments made by one guru about the practices about other gurus to be curious. Why do they need to say anything about it all and instead just not charge for what they do and do things their way. It's kind of a self-aggrandizing/inflammatory/divisive comment (in my opinion). Given that the traditional comment would be that those who sells meditation would go to the Avachi Hell, I'd say this was much nicer, even kind. When I visited with sannyasis of the Shankaracharya order and naively mentioned that I learned meditation in the Shanakaracharya tradition, they immediately asked from who? When I said it was TM and Maharishi's meditation several of the sannyasis got very angry at this, one was particularly loud and quietly escorted away. Not a nice scene! Last time I ever said that. They felt he was a seller of the Vedas and thus destined for the deepest hell. Not the saint some imagine... Oh, had they all studied with MMY before they saw the light? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/SISQkA/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma's Visit to FF
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 11, 2006, at 2:12 PM, Kenny H wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ wrote: One interesting comment Amma made to a friend of mine: ³Charging money for meditation is like a mother charging her baby for breast milk.² I find these comments made by one guru about the practices about other gurus to be curious. Why do they need to say anything about it all and instead just not charge for what they do and do things their way. It's kind of a self-aggrandizing/inflammatory/divisive comment (in my opinion). Given that the traditional comment would be that those who sells meditation would go to the Avachi Hell, I'd say this was much nicer, even kind. When I visited with sannyasis of the Shankaracharya order and naively mentioned that I learned meditation in the Shanakaracharya tradition, they immediately asked from who? When I said it was TM and Maharishi's meditation several of the sannyasis got very angry at this, one was particularly loud and quietly escorted away. Not a nice scene! Last time I ever said that. They felt he was a seller of the Vedas and thus destined for the deepest hell. Not the saint some imagine... Emphasis on dogma can lead to all kinds of crazy ideas. Just look at the way the dharma of caste is often abused and misunderstood. Or the state of the Catholic Church. You seem to put way too much importance in titles. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Amma's Visit to FF
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Amma's Visit to FF on 7/11/06 1:12 PM, Kenny H at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One interesting comment Amma made to a friend of mine: Charging money for meditation is like a mother charging her baby for breast milk. I find these comments made by one guru about the practices about other gurus to be curious. Why do they need to say anything about it all and instead just not charge for what they do and do things their way. It's kind of a self-aggrandizing/inflammatory/divisive comment (in my opinion). It was just a private conversation. I probably shouldnt have repeated it. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Buddha shakyamuni Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Amma's Visit to FF
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Amma's Visit to FF on 7/11/06 1:16 PM, Alex Stanley at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Any news, observations? I went to see her for the first time during her first ever stop in Iowa, however many years ago that was. I'm not at all wired for devotion to and worship of gurus, saints, etc., so the whole experience was very underwhelming (except for the Indian lunch, which was quite good). Having undergone so much transformation since her first visit, I decided to go back and see how I'd react now. I was again underwhelmed by the hug, but I could appreciate the heart value of the gathering, and I was not inclined to make snarky, cynical comments about it like I was the first time. And, again, the Indian lunch was delicious. If I could structure an Ammachi experience according to my own desires, I'd replace the hug with an equal amount of time just gazing directly into her eyes (i.e., like Waking Down's gazing meditation). I often do that because shes gotten to know me and we have conversations. Its nice. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Buddha shakyamuni Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma's Visit to FF
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 7/11/06 1:16 PM, Alex Stanley at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] If I could structure an Ammachi experience according to my own desires, I'd replace the hug with an equal amount of time just gazing directly into her eyes (i.e., like Waking Down's gazing meditation). I often do that because she¹s gotten to know me and we have conversations. It¹s nice. Wow, I didn't know you speak Malayalam. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/2pRQfA/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma's Visit to FF
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 7/11/06 11:03 AM, new.morning at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Any news, observations? I¹ve been immersed in it/her and just recovered from the sleep deprivation. We had a really good turn-out both days, in large part because it was the weekend. Filled the gymnasium. Many showed up who wouldn¹t have been caught dead there a year ago. Many of Amma¹s tour staff commented that Iowa is their favorite stop on the tour. We celebrated Guru Purnima at about 5am Monday morning. It was web cast: http://amritapuri.org/news/07/607distance.php I¹m trying to stay focused to fit a month¹s work into two weeks, haven¹t been hanging out here much. I¹ll keep an eye on this thread and will be happy to elaborate if there¹s interest. One interesting comment Amma made to a friend of mine: ³Charging money for meditation is like a mother charging her baby for breast milk.² An article: http://www.thehawkeye.com/daily/stories/ln1_0710.html Nyah, there's no agenda with Amma and friends. Going into the stronghold of a rival guru and criticizing the rival guru's actions isn't anything to take note of... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/2pRQfA/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma's Visit to FF
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 11, 2006, at 2:12 PM, Kenny H wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ wrote: One interesting comment Amma made to a friend of mine: ³Charging money for meditation is like a mother charging her baby for breast milk.² I find these comments made by one guru about the practices about other gurus to be curious. Why do they need to say anything about it all and instead just not charge for what they do and do things their way. It's kind of a self-aggrandizing/inflammatory/divisive comment (in my opinion). Given that the traditional comment would be that those who sells meditation would go to the Avachi Hell, I'd say this was much nicer, even kind. When I visited with sannyasis of the Shankaracharya order and naively mentioned that I learned meditation in the Shanakaracharya tradition, they immediately asked from who? When I said it was TM and Maharishi's meditation several of the sannyasis got very angry at this, one was particularly loud and quietly escorted away. Not a nice scene! Last time I ever said that. They felt he was a seller of the Vedas and thus destined for the deepest hell. Not the saint some imagine... Yep. Imagine how they felt about a Shankaracharya who actually *supported* him. On theother hand, REAL sanyasis like Tatewale Baba were quite happy to wander in for a visit... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/SISQkA/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Amma's Visit to FF
On Jul 11, 2006, at 2:26 PM, authfriend wrote:Oh, had they all studied with MMY before they saw the light? They knew the tradition. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma's Visit to FF
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Jul 11, 2006, at 2:12 PM, Kenny H wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ wrote: One interesting comment Amma made to a friend of mine: ³Charging money for meditation is like a mother charging her baby for breast milk.² I find these comments made by one guru about the practices about other gurus to be curious. Why do they need to say anything about it all and instead just not charge for what they do and do things their way. It's kind of a self-aggrandizing/inflammatory/divisive comment (in my opinion). Given that the traditional comment would be that those who sells meditation would go to the Avachi Hell, I'd say this was much nicer, even kind. When I visited with sannyasis of the Shankaracharya order and naively mentioned that I learned meditation in the Shanakaracharya tradition, they immediately asked from who? When I said it was TM and Maharishi's meditation several of the sannyasis got very angry at this, one was particularly loud and quietly escorted away. Not a nice scene! Last time I ever said that. They felt he was a seller of the Vedas and thus destined for the deepest hell. Not the saint some imagine... Emphasis on dogma can lead to all kinds of crazy ideas. Just look at the way the dharma of caste is often abused and misunderstood. Or the state of the Catholic Church. You seem to put way too much importance in titles. Not to mention that traditional interpretation of texts from thousands of years ago. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/SISQkA/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Amma's Visit to FF
On Jul 11, 2006, at 2:47 PM, jim_flanegin wrote: Given that the traditional comment would be that those who sells meditation would go to the Avachi Hell, I'd say this was much nicer, even kind. When I visited with sannyasis of the Shankaracharya order and naively mentioned that I learned meditation in the "Shanakaracharya tradition", they immediately asked "from who?" When I said it was TM and Maharishi's meditation several of the sannyasis got very angry at this, one was particularly loud and quietly escorted away. Not a nice scene! Last time I ever said that. They felt he was a "seller of the Vedas" and thus destined for the deepest hell. Not the "saint" some imagine... Emphasis on dogma can lead to all kinds of crazy ideas. Just look at the way the dharma of caste is often abused and misunderstood. Or the state of the Catholic Church. You seem to put way too much importance in titles. I think the sages who said that originally saw it as "cause and effect". Charging for the path to liberation was not seen as a good "cause" and therefore had some bad effects... __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Buddha shakyamuni Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma's Visit to FF
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 11, 2006, at 2:26 PM, authfriend wrote: Oh, had they all studied with MMY before they saw the light? They knew the tradition. Yep, just like fundamentalist christians do. Or Hindus vs Buddhist. Or the Buddha vs Hindus. Or Shankara vs Buddhists. Or MMY vs just about everyone else. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/TISQkA/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Amma's Visit to FF
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Amma's Visit to FF on 7/11/06 2:47 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nyah, there's no agenda with Amma and friends. Going into the stronghold of a rival guru and criticizing the rival guru's actions isn't anything to take note of... I dont think Amma sees herself as being in competition with other gurus. Nor is FF Maharishis stronghold. MUM is his campus, but FF is not his town. MUM is a spiritual incubator, and many are hatching from it. Amma goes where theres a demand, and judging from the popularity of her programs here, theres one here. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Buddha shakyamuni Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma's Visit to FF
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 11, 2006, at 2:26 PM, authfriend wrote: Oh, had they all studied with MMY before they saw the light? They knew the tradition. Yes, but had they all studied with MMY before they saw the light? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/2pRQfA/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma's Visit to FF
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kenny H [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ wrote: One interesting comment Amma made to a friend of mine: ³Charging money for meditation is like a mother charging her baby for breast milk.² I find these comments made by one guru about the practices about other gurus to be curious. Why do they need to say anything about it all and instead just not charge for what they do and do things their way. It's kind of a self-aggrandizing/inflammatory/divisive comment (in my opinion). You noticed that, did you? Not that anyone ever indulges in it on this forum... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma's Visit to FF
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 11, 2006, at 2:47 PM, jim_flanegin wrote: Given that the traditional comment would be that those who sells meditation would go to the Avachi Hell, I'd say this was much nicer, even kind. When I visited with sannyasis of the Shankaracharya order and naively mentioned that I learned meditation in the Shanakaracharya tradition, they immediately asked from who? When I said it was TM and Maharishi's meditation several of the sannyasis got very angry at this, one was particularly loud and quietly escorted away. Not a nice scene! Last time I ever said that. They felt he was a seller of the Vedas and thus destined for the deepest hell. Not the saint some imagine... Emphasis on dogma can lead to all kinds of crazy ideas. Just look at the way the dharma of caste is often abused and misunderstood. Or the state of the Catholic Church. You seem to put way too much importance in titles. I think the sages who said that originally saw it as cause and effect. Charging for the path to liberation was not seen as a good cause and therefore had some bad effects... And how many years ago was this? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/2pRQfA/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma's Visit to FF
Hey Rick What do I know, maybe it's important for people to make comments like she made, comment on! I mean if we are dedicated to cracking the rocks of ignorance (or whatever that saying was) its probably good to hear all viewpoints, eh?! KH In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 7/11/06 1:12 PM, Kenny H at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer groups@ wrote: One interesting comment Amma made to a friend of mine: ³Charging money for meditation is like a mother charging her baby for breast milk.² I find these comments made by one guru about the practices about other gurus to be curious. Why do they need to say anything about it all and instead just not charge for what they do and do things their way. It's kind of a self-aggrandizing/inflammatory/divisive comment (in my opinion). It was just a private conversation. I probably shouldn¹t have repeated it. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/2pRQfA/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma's Visit to FF
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 7/11/06 1:12 PM, Kenny H at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer groups@ wrote: One interesting comment Amma made to a friend of mine: ³Charging money for meditation is like a mother charging her baby for breast milk.² I find these comments made by one guru about the practices about other gurus to be curious. Why do they need to say anything about it all and instead just not charge for what they do and do things their way. It's kind of a self-aggrandizing/inflammatory/divisive comment (in my opinion). It was just a private conversation. I probably shouldn¹t have repeated it. Unlike the countless conversations and comments by MMY that end up here, taken out of context? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Amma's Visit to FF
LOL, no these were students and initiates of the Shankaracharya of the south, to them M. was a businessman riding on the back of the tradition.On Jul 11, 2006, at 4:10 PM, authfriend wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 11, 2006, at 2:26 PM, authfriend wrote: Oh, had they all studied with MMY before they saw the light? They knew the tradition. Yes, but had they all studied with MMY before they saw the light? __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Buddha shakyamuni Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma's Visit to FF
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: LOL, no these were students and initiates of the Shankaracharya of the south, to them M. was a businessman riding on the back of the tradition. Ah. So they had no firsthand knowledge of him. On Jul 11, 2006, at 4:10 PM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Jul 11, 2006, at 2:26 PM, authfriend wrote: Oh, had they all studied with MMY before they saw the light? They knew the tradition. Yes, but had they all studied with MMY before they saw the light? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma's Visit to FF
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 11, 2006, at 2:47 PM, jim_flanegin wrote: Vaj said: They felt he was a seller of the Vedas and thus destined for the deepest hell. Not the saint some imagine... Jim said: Emphasis on dogma can lead to all kinds of crazy ideas. Just look at the way the dharma of caste is often abused and misunderstood. Or the state of the Catholic Church. You seem to put way too much importance in titles. Vaj said: I think the sages who said that originally saw it as cause and effect. Charging for the path to liberation was not seen as a good cause and therefore had some bad effects... I can't imagine why this would cause bad effects. Even money comes from the same place everything else does...I suppose if they were caught up into the thinking that making money was somehow inconsistent with a spiritual life...I don't know, it seems silly to me, given that a service is being provided. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/TISQkA/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma's Visit to FF
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kenny H [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ wrote: One interesting comment Amma made to a friend of mine: ³Charging money for meditation is like a mother charging her baby for breast milk.² I find these comments made by one guru about the practices about other gurus to be curious. Why do they need to say anything about it all and instead just not charge for what they do and do things their way. It's kind of a self-aggrandizing/inflammatory/divisive comment (in my opinion). Could it possibly be an invitation to followers of other spiritual traditions to actually *think* about things for a change, something that their traditions try to keep them from doing? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Amma's Visit to FF
Vaj, (this said in good humor) I have a feeling that MMY could save 1000 babies from a burning building and you'd say, well, he didn't save 1001. ;-) --- Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: LOL, no these were students and initiates of the Shankaracharya of the south, to them M. was a businessman riding on the back of the tradition. On Jul 11, 2006, at 4:10 PM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 11, 2006, at 2:26 PM, authfriend wrote: Oh, had they all studied with MMY before they saw the light? They knew the tradition. Yes, but had they all studied with MMY before they saw the light? __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma's Visit to FF
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: LOL, no these were students and initiates of the Shankaracharya of the south, to them M. was a businessman riding on the back of the tradition. Ah. So they had no firsthand knowledge of him. Sorta like you, eh? :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/SISQkA/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma's Visit to FF
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: Any news, observations? I went to see her for the first time during her first ever stop in Iowa, however many years ago that was. I'm not at all wired for devotion to and worship of gurus, saints, etc., so the whole experience was very underwhelming (except for the Indian lunch, which was quite good). Having undergone so much transformation since her first visit, I decided to go back and see how I'd react now. I was again underwhelmed by the hug, but I could appreciate the heart value of the gathering, and I was not inclined to make snarky, cynical comments about it like I was the first time. And, again, the Indian lunch was delicious. If I could structure an Ammachi experience according to my own desires, I'd replace the hug with an equal amount of time just gazing directly into her eyes (i.e., like Waking Down's gazing meditation). Thanks for the honest apraisal. It's not something we've come to expect from anyone with a TM history. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma's Visit to FF
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: Any news, observations? I went to see her for the first time during her first ever stop in Iowa, however many years ago that was. I'm not at all wired for devotion to and worship of gurus, saints, etc., so the whole experience was very underwhelming (except for the Indian lunch, which was quite good). Having undergone so much transformation since her first visit, I decided to go back and see how I'd react now. I was again underwhelmed by the hug, but I could appreciate the heart value of the gathering, and I was not inclined to make snarky, cynical comments about it like I was the first time. And, again, the Indian lunch was delicious. If I could structure an Ammachi experience according to my own desires, I'd replace the hug with an equal amount of time just gazing directly into her eyes (i.e., like Waking Down's gazing meditation). Thanks for the honest apraisal. It's not something we've come to expect from anyone with a TM history. ROTFL!! Now you're tainted with the cult poison even if you have decisively rejected TM. Watch out, Barry. You may be next. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Amma's Visit to FF
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Amma's Visit to FF on 7/11/06 2:26 PM, Alex Stanley at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 7/11/06 1:16 PM, Alex Stanley at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] If I could structure an Ammachi experience according to my own desires, I'd replace the hug with an equal amount of time just gazing directly into her eyes (i.e., like Waking Down's gazing meditation). I often do that because shes gotten to know me and we have conversations. Its nice. Wow, I didn't know you speak Malayalam. Not a word. She always has translators around her. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma's Visit to FF
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: Any news, observations? I went to see her for the first time during her first ever stop in Iowa, however many years ago that was. I'm not at all wired for devotion to and worship of gurus, saints, etc., so the whole experience was very underwhelming (except for the Indian lunch, which was quite good). Having undergone so much transformation since her first visit, I decided to go back and see how I'd react now. I was again underwhelmed by the hug, but I could appreciate the heart value of the gathering, and I was not inclined to make snarky, cynical comments about it like I was the first time. And, again, the Indian lunch was delicious. If I could structure an Ammachi experience according to my own desires, I'd replace the hug with an equal amount of time just gazing directly into her eyes (i.e., like Waking Down's gazing meditation). Thanks for the honest apraisal. It's not something we've come to expect from anyone with a TM history. You know, Barry, I believe you say these kinds of things to see just how many people you can involve in lengthy argumentative diatribes. I am not going to get suckered in past this post. An old long-time friend of yours from Rama, who is a really long-time friend of mine, recently told me that you really do seem to like to argue. I can see it clearly now. It's like when my parents finally got divorced and I would visit each separately. I discovered that one parent had done a brilliant job at manipulating popular opinion against the other. When they were no longer together, it was amazing to find that the one who had done the manipulating against the other was far more responsible than we were all led to believe. Your comment seems purposefully inflammatory. KH Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/SISQkA/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma's Visit to FF
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: LOL, no these were students and initiates of the Shankaracharya of the south, to them M. was a businessman riding on the back of the tradition. Ah. So they had no firsthand knowledge of him. Sorta like you, eh? :-) Not quite, no. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/2pRQfA/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma's Visit to FF
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kenny H [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: Any news, observations? I went to see her for the first time during her first ever stop in Iowa, however many years ago that was. I'm not at all wired for devotion to and worship of gurus, saints, etc., so the whole experience was very underwhelming (except for the Indian lunch, which was quite good). Having undergone so much transformation since her first visit, I decided to go back and see how I'd react now. I was again underwhelmed by the hug, but I could appreciate the heart value of the gathering, and I was not inclined to make snarky, cynical comments about it like I was the first time. And, again, the Indian lunch was delicious. If I could structure an Ammachi experience according to my own desires, I'd replace the hug with an equal amount of time just gazing directly into her eyes (i.e., like Waking Down's gazing meditation). Thanks for the honest apraisal. It's not something we've come to expect from anyone with a TM history. You know, Barry, I believe you say these kinds of things to see just how many people you can involve in lengthy argumentative diatribes. I am not going to get suckered in past this post. An old long-time friend of yours from Rama, who is a really long- time friend of mine, recently told me that you really do seem to like to argue. I can see it clearly now. It's like when my parents finally got divorced and I would visit each separately. I discovered that one parent had done a brilliant job at manipulating popular opinion against the other. When they were no longer together, it was amazing to find that the one who had done the manipulating against the other was far more responsible than we were all led to believe. Your comment seems purposefully inflammatory. KH If we can push against something, it reassures us we exist. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/SISQkA/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma's Visit to FF
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kenny H [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: Any news, observations? I went to see her for the first time during her first ever stop in Iowa, however many years ago that was. I'm not at all wired for devotion to and worship of gurus, saints, etc., so the whole experience was very underwhelming (except for the Indian lunch, which was quite good). Having undergone so much transformation since her first visit, I decided to go back and see how I'd react now. I was again underwhelmed by the hug, but I could appreciate the heart value of the gathering, and I was not inclined to make snarky, cynical comments about it like I was the first time. And, again, the Indian lunch was delicious. If I could structure an Ammachi experience according to my own desires, I'd replace the hug with an equal amount of time just gazing directly into her eyes (i.e., like Waking Down's gazing meditation). Thanks for the honest apraisal. It's not something we've come to expect from anyone with a TM history. You know, Barry, I believe you say these kinds of things to see just how many people you can involve in lengthy argumentative diatribes. I am not going to get suckered in past this post. An old long-time friend of yours from Rama, who is a really long- time friend of mine, recently told me that you really do seem to like to argue. I can see it clearly now. It's like when my parents finally got divorced and I would visit each separately. I discovered that one parent had done a brilliant job at manipulating popular opinion against the other. When they were no longer together, it was amazing to find that the one who had done the manipulating against the other was far more responsible than we were all led to believe. Your comment seems purposefully inflammatory. KH If we can push against something, it reassures us we exist. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Amma's Visit to FF
On Jul 11, 2006, at 6:10 PM, Peter wrote:Vaj, (this said in good humor) I have a feeling that MMY could save 1000 babies from a burning building and you'd say, well, he didn't save 1001. ;-) Get real Dr. P., if he can't do 1008, he ain't a very good Shaivite. :-) __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Amma's Visit to FF
On Jul 11, 2006, at 5:36 PM, jim_flanegin wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 11, 2006, at 2:47 PM, jim_flanegin wrote: Vaj said: They felt he was a "seller of the Vedas" and thus destined for the deepest hell. Not the "saint" some imagine... Jim said: Emphasis on dogma can lead to all kinds of crazy ideas. Just look at the way the dharma of caste is often abused and misunderstood. Or the state of the Catholic Church. You seem to put way too much importance in titles. Vaj said: I think the sages who said that originally saw it as "cause and effect". Charging for the path to liberation was not seen as a good "cause" and therefore had some bad effects... I can't imagine why this would cause bad effects. Even money comes from the same place everything else does...I suppose if they were caught up into the thinking that making money was somehow inconsistent with a spiritual life...I don't know, it seems silly to me, given that a service is being provided. It's an interesting point Jim--I too have found this damnation by jnanis to be bizarre--but not the point. The point was that Amma's remarks were gentle by comparison--and the comparison to a mother caring, touching to everyone (everyone has a mom). __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Buddha shakyamuni Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Amma's Visit to FF
On Jul 11, 2006, at 4:42 PM, authfriend wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: LOL, no these were students and initiates of the Shankaracharya of the south, to them M. was a businessman riding on the back of the tradition. Ah. So they had no firsthand knowledge of him. The Shankaracharya knew quite a bit about Mahesh Varma--but that's not the point my dear--this large and typical Judith non sequitur. The point is Amma's remarks about him were gentle in comparison. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Buddha shakyamuni Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma's Visit to FF
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 11, 2006, at 4:42 PM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: LOL, no these were students and initiates of the Shankaracharya of the south, to them M. was a businessman riding on the back of the tradition. Ah. So they had no firsthand knowledge of him. The Shankaracharya knew quite a bit about Mahesh Varma--but that's not the point my dear--this large and typical Judith non sequitur. The point is Amma's remarks about him were gentle in comparison.] Yes, poopsie, I know what your point was. I was interested in your account of the Shank's sanyasi. Check Mr. Dictionary for the meaning of non sequitur. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/SISQkA/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma's Visit to FF
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 11, 2006, at 2:47 PM, jim_flanegin wrote: Given that the traditional comment would be that those who sells meditation would go to the Avachi Hell, I'd say this was much nicer, even kind. When I visited with sannyasis of the Shankaracharya order and naively mentioned that I learned meditation in the Shanakaracharya tradition, they immediately asked from who? When I said it was TM and Maharishi's meditation several of the sannyasis got very angry at this, one was particularly loud and quietly escorted away. Not a nice scene! Last time I ever said that. They felt he was a seller of the Vedas and thus destined for the deepest hell. Not the saint some imagine... Emphasis on dogma can lead to all kinds of crazy ideas. Just look at the way the dharma of caste is often abused and misunderstood. Or the state of the Catholic Church. You seem to put way too much importance in titles. I think the sages who said that originally saw it as cause and effect. Charging for the path to liberation was not seen as a good cause and therefore had some bad effects... Ah yes, the sages understood all there is to know about modern industrial societies. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/2pRQfA/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma's Visit to FF
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: Any news, observations? I went to see her for the first time during her first ever stop in Iowa, however many years ago that was. I'm not at all wired for devotion to and worship of gurus, saints, etc., so the whole experience was very underwhelming (except for the Indian lunch, which was quite good). Having undergone so much transformation since her first visit, I decided to go back and see how I'd react now. I was again underwhelmed by the hug, but I could appreciate the heart value of the gathering, and I was not inclined to make snarky, cynical comments about it like I was the first time. And, again, the Indian lunch was delicious. If I could structure an Ammachi experience according to my own desires, I'd replace the hug with an equal amount of time just gazing directly into her eyes (i.e., like Waking Down's gazing meditation). Thanks for the honest apraisal. It's not something we've come to expect from anyone with a TM history. Such as yourself? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma's Visit to FF
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 11, 2006, at 4:42 PM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: LOL, no these were students and initiates of the Shankaracharya of the south, to them M. was a businessman riding on the back of the tradition. Ah. So they had no firsthand knowledge of him. The Shankaracharya knew quite a bit about Mahesh Varma--but that's not the point my dear--this large and typical Judith non sequitur. The point is Amma's remarks about him were gentle in comparison. But still remarks nevertheless (to paraphrase Master Po from Kung Fu). To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma's Visit to FF
Amma has probably already saved 1001 babies. --- Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Vaj, (this said in good humor) I have a feeling that MMY could save 1000 babies from a burning building and you'd say, well, he didn't save 1001. ;-) --- Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: LOL, no these were students and initiates of the Shankaracharya of the south, to them M. was a businessman riding on the back of the tradition. On Jul 11, 2006, at 4:10 PM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 11, 2006, at 2:26 PM, authfriend wrote: Oh, had they all studied with MMY before they saw the light? They knew the tradition. Yes, but had they all studied with MMY before they saw the light? __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/2pRQfA/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma's Visit to FF
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 11, 2006, at 5:36 PM, jim_flanegin wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Jul 11, 2006, at 2:47 PM, jim_flanegin wrote: Vaj said: They felt he was a seller of the Vedas and thus destined for the deepest hell. Not the saint some imagine... Jim said: Emphasis on dogma can lead to all kinds of crazy ideas. Just look at the way the dharma of caste is often abused and misunderstood. Or the state of the Catholic Church. You seem to put way too much importance in titles. Vaj said: I think the sages who said that originally saw it as cause and effect. Charging for the path to liberation was not seen as a good cause and therefore had some bad effects... I can't imagine why this would cause bad effects. Even money comes from the same place everything else does...I suppose if they were caught up into the thinking that making money was somehow inconsistent with a spiritual life...I don't know, it seems silly to me, given that a service is being provided. It's an interesting point Jim--I too have found this damnation by jnanis to be bizarre--but not the point. The point was that Amma's remarks were gentle by comparison--and the comparison to a mother caring, touching to everyone (everyone has a mom). I guess meditation is something everyone has an opinion on... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma's Visit to FF
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Charging money for meditation is like a mother charging her baby for breast milk. And charging a million dollars for a worthless course or for a crown would be like what? A fundraiser? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/TISQkA/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma's Visit to FF
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I guess meditation is something everyone has an opinion on... I have no thoughts. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/SISQkA/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma's Visit to FF
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: LOL, no these were students and initiates of the Shankaracharya of the south, to them M. was a businessman riding on the back of the tradition. Ah. So they had no firsthand knowledge of him. Sorta like you, eh? :-) Not quite, no. So tell us all about your firsthand knowledge of Maharishi. Was it live or Memorex? :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/TISQkA/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma's Visit to FF
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: LOL, no these were students and initiates of the Shankaracharya of the south, to them M. was a businessman riding on the back of the tradition. Ah. So they had no firsthand knowledge of him. Sorta like you, eh? :-) Not quite, no. So tell us all about your firsthand knowledge of Maharishi. Was it live or Memorex? :-) Nope, you missed it. Try again. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
