[FairfieldLife] Re: Are Aliens too Distant for Contact?
Ok, let's deal with YOUR issue here. You called me the 12 year old a couple of days ago. It's these kind of snide remarks that neutralise, all the good points you make, and turns things here sour. If you keep your criticisms impersonal, you would certainly be the most brilliant poster here. (Judy is guilty of this as well). Your constant harping, about you ignoring certain people is a source of irritation. I too ignore quite a lot of people here, but I never mention it. --- turquoiseb@... wrote : OK, let's deal with YOUR issue, jedi_bungalow_bill. You posed the question to Steve, but isn't it JUST as applicable to you? Have YOU reincarnated as Judy? After all, wasn't it her act to try to provoke arguments, and if people didn't fall for the provocation, to then harass and stalk them and try to *taunt* them into replying to her, so she could eventually get the head-to-head argument she wanted? Well, I dealt with that by taking away from her what she really wanted -- a captive audience to yell at so she could try to (in her mind) hurt them. I just stopped bothering to read her posts. Based on her recent efforts, it may have worked...she sticks to facts and seems to have dropped the If you don't respond by giving me the argument I want I'll say nastier and nastier things about you until you do thang. Good deal, say I, and I wish her well with the new approach. Well, that's what Steve and Ann and Jim and Dan and Richard have been doing to me, too -- trying to run Judy's old routine. I won't pay any attention to them, and have in fact stopped reading their posts as well, and as far as I can tell from quotes of theirs I see in people's posts I *do* read, they've reacted by adopting Judy's old bunny boiler tactics: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzbVn9Xx3YM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzbVn9Xx3YM Why I'm bothering to spell this out is that YOU (jedi_spock, bungalow_blue_balls, or whoever you are this week) seem to be trying to run the same number. You've got your panties in a twist about me over something, and you seem to be trying to taunt me into having an argument with you so that you can get the twist out by yelling at me. Sorry...not gonna happen. *As* with Bob Price, who *several* people wrote off as a waste of time after his first abusive period here, and *as* with Dan Friedman, who others (including Judy) realized was a nut case during his first drive-by, if you keep up this trying-to-taunt-me-into-arguing-with-you routine you'll share the same fate. Life is just Too Fuckin' Short to waste it with pissants who are intent on turning everything into a battle. Allow me to spell it out for you: YOU ARE SIMPLY NOT INTERESTING ENOUGH FOR ME TO BOTHER ARGUING WITH. YOU NEVER WILL BE, NO MATTER WHAT YOU SAY ABOUT ME. Now you know. Do with this information what you will... ...oh, and have a nice day. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Are Aliens too Distant for Contact?
Yes, Jedi, a reasoned response. But for Barry to focus on his own issues? Does the snowball in hell analogy come to mind. (but, most brilliant poster here?) can you rein that one back, just a tad. (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, blue_bungalow_2@... wrote : Ok, let's deal with YOUR issue here. You called me the 12 year old a couple of days ago. It's these kind of snide remarks that neutralise, all the good points you make, and turns things here sour. If you keep your criticisms impersonal, you would certainly be the most brilliant poster here. (Judy is guilty of this as well). Your constant harping, about you ignoring certain people is a source of irritation. I too ignore quite a lot of people here, but I never mention it. --- turquoiseb@... wrote : OK, let's deal with YOUR issue, jedi_bungalow_bill. You posed the question to Steve, but isn't it JUST as applicable to you? Have YOU reincarnated as Judy? After all, wasn't it her act to try to provoke arguments, and if people didn't fall for the provocation, to then harass and stalk them and try to *taunt* them into replying to her, so she could eventually get the head-to-head argument she wanted? Well, I dealt with that by taking away from her what she really wanted -- a captive audience to yell at so she could try to (in her mind) hurt them. I just stopped bothering to read her posts. Based on her recent efforts, it may have worked...she sticks to facts and seems to have dropped the If you don't respond by giving me the argument I want I'll say nastier and nastier things about you until you do thang. Good deal, say I, and I wish her well with the new approach. Well, that's what Steve and Ann and Jim and Dan and Richard have been doing to me, too -- trying to run Judy's old routine. I won't pay any attention to them, and have in fact stopped reading their posts as well, and as far as I can tell from quotes of theirs I see in people's posts I *do* read, they've reacted by adopting Judy's old bunny boiler tactics: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzbVn9Xx3YM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzbVn9Xx3YM Why I'm bothering to spell this out is that YOU (jedi_spock, bungalow_blue_balls, or whoever you are this week) seem to be trying to run the same number. You've got your panties in a twist about me over something, and you seem to be trying to taunt me into having an argument with you so that you can get the twist out by yelling at me. Sorry...not gonna happen. *As* with Bob Price, who *several* people wrote off as a waste of time after his first abusive period here, and *as* with Dan Friedman, who others (including Judy) realized was a nut case during his first drive-by, if you keep up this trying-to-taunt-me-into-arguing-with-you routine you'll share the same fate. Life is just Too Fuckin' Short to waste it with pissants who are intent on turning everything into a battle. Allow me to spell it out for you: YOU ARE SIMPLY NOT INTERESTING ENOUGH FOR ME TO BOTHER ARGUING WITH. YOU NEVER WILL BE, NO MATTER WHAT YOU SAY ABOUT ME. Now you know. Do with this information what you will... ...oh, and have a nice day. :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Are Aliens too Distant for Contact?
From: blue_bungalo...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 11:58 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Are Aliens too Distant for Contact? Ok, let's deal with YOUR issue here. You called me the 12 year old a couple of days ago. It's these kind of snide remarks that neutralise, all the good points you make, and turns things here sour. If you keep your criticisms impersonal, you would certainly be the most brilliant poster here. (Judy is guilty of this as well). Your constant harping, about you ignoring certain people is a source of irritation. I too ignore quite a lot of people here, but I never mention it. Good points all. I will take them under consideration. Not promising anything, you understand, just considering...
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : shower running in the background Barry, humming his fave Bruce Cockburn tune, steps out, notices the floor got all wet - let the fukin' roomies mop it up... Hey good lookin'... he says to the mirror, imagining him and Bruce, pals, just like him and Curtis...bros, in a rock n' roll world. He tousles his thinning hair, slaps some Stetson after-shave on his sagging jowls, pulls on his Jerry Garcia t-shirt (signed by the Dalai Lama), some jeans, and shuffles, a little hurriedly, towards that favorite bar of his, Le Petite Chausser. Sure, no one ever says a word to him, but he's got 'em convinced of his popularity on the 'Net -- a sideways glance to no one, a secret chuckle at the screen, a little too loud, perhaps an escape of laughter, as the ever convivial waitress approaches, for Barry's inevitable third drink order, and inevitable over-tip. Reading a little too much into her social nature, Barry tried once, to explain the cult addicted idiots on his laptop. She smiled, but he heard her laughing quietly, as she walked away. bitch. Oh well, at least an hour or two out of his room - ...fukin' roomies - fukin' conformist Dutch - fukin' Maharishi - fukin Steve - fukin Judy - fukin Jimbo - fukin Robin, Share, jr, Richard, Jedi, Ann, Em, Rory, Bob Price, and all the rest of those losers...Ah, at last, Fairfieldlife has loaded, I hate those fukers... As you might expect, I enjoyed this. I'm sure we could all write one about almost everyone here and even about ourselves. I'd like to see everyone write a parody of themselves - it would show what good sports we are. I'm going to start working on mine. -
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Great idea! Here's mine: He removed his scuba regulator, “What a perfectly fine day!” Fleetwood exclaimed, as he looked approvingly around in his undersea club house. Well, actually, from the outside, it was a shipping container, inside a swimming pool. He was already thinking of painting it purple and orange. “Maybe I'll compose a song in here, underwater...” After awhile, he got out, dried off, and then it was time to do some bushwhacking – suiting up, in a t-shirt, jams, and flip flops, he billy goats down the wild side of his property, cuts a cord of oak with the chainsaw, and films three deer, as they pose for him, in the trees. Then he talks to them, explains that Guru Dev is nearby, and they nod, making ear gestures in deer language to each other, indicating this one is a few cans short of a six-pack. Back up to the house, rummaging in the fridge for some lunch – Aha, some chili, mashed potatoes, with champagne and ice cream! That'll do...Then settling in for The Price Is Right, and possibly Family Feud, with Steve Harvey. Everybody wins. Later on, a refreshing one hundred laps in the pool, the last ten done walking ON the water. Then, after a quick shower he readies himself for one of his greatest feats, rappelling down the side of his single story house. Just then the side door opens, “Honey, what are you doing?!?! Anyway, your daughter is on the phone...don't break anything...” ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : shower running in the background Barry, humming his fave Bruce Cockburn tune, steps out, notices the floor got all wet - let the fukin' roomies mop it up... Hey good lookin'... he says to the mirror, imagining him and Bruce, pals, just like him and Curtis...bros, in a rock n' roll world. He tousles his thinning hair, slaps some Stetson after-shave on his sagging jowls, pulls on his Jerry Garcia t-shirt (signed by the Dalai Lama), some jeans, and shuffles, a little hurriedly, towards that favorite bar of his, Le Petite Chausser. Sure, no one ever says a word to him, but he's got 'em convinced of his popularity on the 'Net -- a sideways glance to no one, a secret chuckle at the screen, a little too loud, perhaps an escape of laughter, as the ever convivial waitress approaches, for Barry's inevitable third drink order, and inevitable over-tip. Reading a little too much into her social nature, Barry tried once, to explain the cult addicted idiots on his laptop. She smiled, but he heard her laughing quietly, as she walked away. bitch. Oh well, at least an hour or two out of his room - ...fukin' roomies - fukin' conformist Dutch - fukin' Maharishi - fukin Steve - fukin Judy - fukin Jimbo - fukin Robin, Share, jr, Richard, Jedi, Ann, Em, Rory, Bob Price, and all the rest of those losers...Ah, at last, Fairfieldlife has loaded, I hate those fukers... As you might expect, I enjoyed this. I'm sure we could all write one about almost everyone here and even about ourselves. I'd like to see everyone write a parody of themselves - it would show what good sports we are. I'm going to start working on mine. -
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Great idea! Here's mine: He removed his scuba regulator, “What a perfectly fine day!” Fleetwood exclaimed, as he looked approvingly around in his undersea club house. Well, actually, from the outside, it was a shipping container, inside a swimming pool. He was already thinking of painting it purple and orange. “Maybe I'll compose a song in here, underwater...” After awhile, he got out, dried off, and then it was time to do some bushwhacking – suiting up, in a t-shirt, jams, and flip flops, he billy goats down the wild side of his property, cuts a cord of oak with the chainsaw, and films three deer, as they pose for him, in the trees. Then he talks to them, explains that Guru Dev is nearby, and they nod, making ear gestures in deer language to each other, indicating this one is a few cans short of a six-pack. Back up to the house, rummaging in the fridge for some lunch – Aha, some chili, mashed potatoes, with champagne and ice cream! That'll do...Then settling in for The Price Is Right, and possibly Family Feud, with Steve Harvey. Everybody wins. Later on, a refreshing one hundred laps in the pool, the last ten done walking ON the water. Then, after a quick shower he readies himself for one of his greatest feats, rappelling down the side of his single story house. Just then the side door opens, “Honey, what are you doing?!?! Anyway, your daughter is on the phone...don't break anything...” Nice one! I'll submit mine later. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : shower running in the background Barry, humming his fave Bruce Cockburn tune, steps out, notices the floor got all wet - let the fukin' roomies mop it up... Hey good lookin'... he says to the mirror, imagining him and Bruce, pals, just like him and Curtis...bros, in a rock n' roll world. He tousles his thinning hair, slaps some Stetson after-shave on his sagging jowls, pulls on his Jerry Garcia t-shirt (signed by the Dalai Lama), some jeans, and shuffles, a little hurriedly, towards that favorite bar of his, Le Petite Chausser. Sure, no one ever says a word to him, but he's got 'em convinced of his popularity on the 'Net -- a sideways glance to no one, a secret chuckle at the screen, a little too loud, perhaps an escape of laughter, as the ever convivial waitress approaches, for Barry's inevitable third drink order, and inevitable over-tip. Reading a little too much into her social nature, Barry tried once, to explain the cult addicted idiots on his laptop. She smiled, but he heard her laughing quietly, as she walked away. bitch. Oh well, at least an hour or two out of his room - ...fukin' roomies - fukin' conformist Dutch - fukin' Maharishi - fukin Steve - fukin Judy - fukin Jimbo - fukin Robin, Share, jr, Richard, Jedi, Ann, Em, Rory, Bob Price, and all the rest of those losers...Ah, at last, Fairfieldlife has loaded, I hate those fukers... As you might expect, I enjoyed this. I'm sure we could all write one about almost everyone here and even about ourselves. I'd like to see everyone write a parody of themselves - it would show what good sports we are. I'm going to start working on mine. -
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deep gongs of a massive carved walnut grandfather clock oh...3 AM - Ah, great to sleep in, eh?, Ann thought sleepily to herself, in Canadian-speak. Having slept in her jodphurs, and helmet, she pulled on her boots by the side of the bed, then completing her riding outfit, she strode across the sumptuous and endless bedroom, out to the balcony, to grab a rope swing to the ground. Owls cooing in the pre-dawn, she opens up the barn, and quickly takes two horses through their paces, a boot atop each equine's back, a quarter mile round the track, in pitch darkness - even the horses are wearing night-vision goggles. Then a double somersault dismount, and it is time for early tea. Glancing back at the house, she sees a profusion of light flashes from the attic...Dennis is up... Bustling about the kitchen, in no time, a breakfast feast appears, tea, crumpets, toast, jam, and a fully dressed twenty pound turkey, fresh from the oven. Outside the dogs bark, and an Emu peeks in the window... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Great idea! Here's mine: He removed his scuba regulator, “What a perfectly fine day!” Fleetwood exclaimed, as he looked approvingly around in his undersea club house. Well, actually, from the outside, it was a shipping container, inside a swimming pool. He was already thinking of painting it purple and orange. “Maybe I'll compose a song in here, underwater...” After awhile, he got out, dried off, and then it was time to do some bushwhacking – suiting up, in a t-shirt, jams, and flip flops, he billy goats down the wild side of his property, cuts a cord of oak with the chainsaw, and films three deer, as they pose for him, in the trees. Then he talks to them, explains that Guru Dev is nearby, and they nod, making ear gestures in deer language to each other, indicating this one is a few cans short of a six-pack. Back up to the house, rummaging in the fridge for some lunch – Aha, some chili, mashed potatoes, with champagne and ice cream! That'll do...Then settling in for The Price Is Right, and possibly Family Feud, with Steve Harvey. Everybody wins. Later on, a refreshing one hundred laps in the pool, the last ten done walking ON the water. Then, after a quick shower he readies himself for one of his greatest feats, rappelling down the side of his single story house. Just then the side door opens, “Honey, what are you doing?!?! Anyway, your daughter is on the phone...don't break anything...” Nice one! I'll submit mine later. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : shower running in the background Barry, humming his fave Bruce Cockburn tune, steps out, notices the floor got all wet - let the fukin' roomies mop it up... Hey good lookin'... he says to the mirror, imagining him and Bruce, pals, just like him and Curtis...bros, in a rock n' roll world. He tousles his thinning hair, slaps some Stetson after-shave on his sagging jowls, pulls on his Jerry Garcia t-shirt (signed by the Dalai Lama), some jeans, and shuffles, a little hurriedly, towards that favorite bar of his, Le Petite Chausser. Sure, no one ever says a word to him, but he's got 'em convinced of his popularity on the 'Net -- a sideways glance to no one, a secret chuckle at the screen, a little too loud, perhaps an escape of laughter, as the ever convivial waitress approaches, for Barry's inevitable third drink order, and inevitable over-tip. Reading a little too much into her social nature, Barry tried once, to explain the cult addicted idiots on his laptop. She smiled, but he heard her laughing quietly, as she walked away. bitch. Oh well, at least an hour or two out of his room - ...fukin' roomies - fukin' conformist Dutch - fukin' Maharishi - fukin Steve - fukin Judy - fukin Jimbo - fukin Robin, Share, jr, Richard, Jedi, Ann, Em, Rory, Bob Price, and all the rest of those losers...Ah, at last, Fairfieldlife has loaded, I hate those fukers... As you might expect, I enjoyed this. I'm sure we could all write one about almost everyone here and even about ourselves. I'd like to see everyone write a parody of themselves - it would show what good sports we are. I'm going to start working on mine. -
[FairfieldLife] Re: Are Aliens too Distant for Contact?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Salyavin, If you believe that the universe is based in consciousness, I don't. That's the problem, just believing stuff about the universe and hoping you can find enough things to justify beliefs you have already decided are true without any evidence is no way to go about learning what's going on. The idea that thoughts are entangled quantumly with the rest of the universe is nonsense, classical information - that which can distinguish one thing from another - cannot get entangled and therefore can't be transmitted. then our thoughts are somehow entangled in a quantum sense with the rest of the universe. So, it is possible to communicate telepathically with other sentient beings instantaneously in our galaxy or with the rest of the universe. I'm sure that if it was possible we'd be able to do it here, probably wouldn't even need this internet thingy in the way. As it is we appear separate from each other. There used to be a question similar to the following: if a tree fell in a forest of an earth-like planet 1,000 light years away from us, would it make a sound? My answer is yes, because consciousnes is present there and everywhere else in the universe. And, somehow our own consciousness is linked--or entangled--with that universel consciousness. I think you'll find that sound is pressure waves in the atmosphere, sure it needs our consciousness to interpret what is going on but it will make whatever sound it makes whether anyone is there or not. Or whether the universe is conscious or not. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : S3, That's a good question. We may not get any message back at all since the radio waves are relatively slow in comparison to the large distances involved in the scale of the Milky Way and the entire universe. Also, the earth-like planets near us may not have any advanced civilizations like ours. Or, that their living beings are still in the microbial, plant or animal stages. My point is that, if there are any advanced human-like civilizations in the Milk Way, they would be communicating with us telepathically or through lucid dreams. For example, a few years ago, there was a psychic here on FFL who posted that he was able to communicate telepathically with another being from the Pleaides star system. I believe Rick knows the guy who also lives in Fairfield, Iowa. OK, the first problem is: why would telepathic waves travel faster than light? Or rather, how could they travel faster than light? And that's forgetting the obvious question of brains being not all that strong compared to, say, Jodrell bank radio telescope! So the send/receive function is going to be a bit limited. The other big problem is that the Pleaides system is pretty much the last place you will find life in our galaxy, a bunch of very young white-hot supergiant stars. Life of any organic type aint happening there, or anywhere close. That's typical of science, always spoiling people's fun. UFO contactees used to say they'd met beings from Venus or Mars until the harsh reality of the climate on those worlds drove their imaginary aliens away to the outer planets first and then on to more distant star systems. Not sure why the Pleaides got chosen as a home for the Space Brothers. They do look nice though, especially through a telescope as you can still see the blue nebulae that the stars formed out of. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Yes, probably so, if the means of communication is through light or radio waves. I enjoyed that moment in the movie Contact where the first TV signal that aliens would have received from Earth was Hitler's speech at the 1936 Olympics. The idea has since been dismissed by scientists as it seems that the transmission signal was very low powered so is unlikely to be picked out amongst all the background radiation in space. But what will their first Earth TV signal be? I Love Lucy? Baywatch? American Idol? Perhaps the best hope is that it's some global warming/ecological doom-laden documentary so that the aliens conclude it's not worth wasting time invading our dying planet. As such, the speed of communication is limited by the speed of light. But it is theoretically possible to contact ETs through telepathic means or lucid dreaming. Why? Because consciousness pervades the entire universe. So, communication through consciousness is faster than the speed of light. IMO, the Srimad Bhagavatam has given us clues of this type of communication in the story relating to Urvasi, the heavenly apsara. She supposedly can be found taking a bath in the region near the Pleiades, which is placed in beginning
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Sometimes I think that Maharishi's greatest accomplishment should be listed as having taken so many at-one-time-fairly-intelligent people and, over time, turned them into weak-minded, gullible idiots like jr_esq, Share, srijau, Lawson, and others we see from time to time here on FFL. These people will believe *anything* if 1) they're told that Maharishi or some other Seller Of Woo Woo believed in it, and 2) it makes them feel more self-important and 'special' for believing it. The stuff they believe doesn't need to be reasonable, it doesn't need to follow the laws of physics or chemistry, and it doesn't depend on any kind of evidence. In fact, when presented with evidence that proves their belief to be nonsense, they believe even more strongly. Truly an accomplishment... From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 8:11 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Are Aliens too Distant for Contact? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Salyavin, If you believe that the universe is based in consciousness, I don't. That's the problem, just believing stuff about the universe and hoping you can find enough things to justify beliefs you have already decided are true without any evidence is no way to go about learning what's going on. The idea that thoughts are entangled quantumly with the rest of the universe is nonsense, classical information - that which can distinguish one thing from another - cannot get entangled and therefore can't be transmitted. then our thoughts are somehow entangled in a quantum sense with the rest of the universe. So, it is possible to communicate telepathically with other sentient beings instantaneously in our galaxy or with the rest of the universe. I'm sure that if it was possible we'd be able to do it here, probably wouldn't even need this internet thingy in the way. As it is we appear separate from each other. There used to be a question similar to the following: if a tree fell in a forest of an earth-like planet 1,000 light years away from us, would it make a sound? My answer is yes, because consciousnes is present there and everywhere else in the universe. And, somehow our own consciousness is linked--or entangled--with that universel consciousness. I think you'll find that sound is pressure waves in the atmosphere, sure it needs our consciousness to interpret what is going on but it will make whatever sound it makes whether anyone is there or not. Or whether the universe is conscious or not. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : S3, That's a good question. We may not get any message back at all since the radio waves are relatively slow in comparison to the large distances involved in the scale of the Milky Way and the entire universe. Also, the earth-like planets near us may not have any advanced civilizations like ours. Or, that their living beings are still in the microbial, plant or animal stages. My point is that, if there are any advanced human-like civilizations in the Milk Way, they would be communicating with us telepathically or through lucid dreams. For example, a few years ago, there was a psychic here on FFL who posted that he was able to communicate telepathically with another being from the Pleaides star system. I believe Rick knows the guy who also lives in Fairfield, Iowa. OK, the first problem is: why would telepathic waves travel faster than light? Or rather, how could they travel faster than light? And that's forgetting the obvious question of brains being not all that strong compared to, say, Jodrell bank radio telescope! So the send/receive function is going to be a bit limited. The other big problem is that the Pleaides system is pretty much the last place you will find life in our galaxy, a bunch of very young white-hot supergiant stars. Life of any organic type aint happening there, or anywhere close. That's typical of science, always spoiling people's fun. UFO contactees used to say they'd met beings from Venus or Mars until the harsh reality of the climate on those worlds drove their imaginary aliens away to the outer planets first and then on to more distant star systems. Not sure why the Pleaides got chosen as a home for the Space Brothers. They do look nice though, especially through a telescope as you can still see the blue nebulae that the stars formed out of. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Yes, probably so, if the means of communication is through light or radio waves. I enjoyed that moment in the movie Contact where the first TV signal that aliens would have received from Earth was Hitler's speech at the 1936 Olympics. The idea has since been dismissed
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Sometimes I think that Maharishi's greatest accomplishment should be listed as having taken so many at-one-time-fairly-intelligent people and, over time, turned them into weak-minded, gullible idiots like jr_esq, Share, srijau, Lawson, and others we see from time to time here on FFL. These people will believe *anything* if 1) they're told that Maharishi or some other Seller Of Woo Woo believed in it, and 2) it makes them feel more self-important and 'special' for believing it. The stuff they believe doesn't need to be reasonable, it doesn't need to follow the laws of physics or chemistry, and it doesn't depend on any kind of evidence. In fact, when presented with evidence that proves their belief to be nonsense, they believe even more strongly. Truly an accomplishment... Yes indeed, something to be proud of. I first came across it when attending a coherence day at the local academy (where I later lived) we were in the garden on a starry night and looking around the night sky and I was pointing out various things of interest like which planets were which and how far the nearest galaxy is when this purusha guy turned to me and said And just think it's all consciousness. What's troubling is it was said with an intimation that it was an improvement or a superior explanation to just thinking that the universe is made of energy and stuff. It worries me because scientific and religious explanations don't mix very well but the quantum crowd think they've found a way of fitting the one into the other, or at least blinding people with enough abstract concepts so they think the two things belong together. It does annoy me too because people, like John, seem genuinely interested in physics and the sort of things it explains really well and the amazing discoveries and concepts of cosmology. But with this training in vedic beliefs he gets from the TMO he doesn't have a way of grading the knowledge for quality. There are only two types of explanation, good ones and bad ones. Consciousness in this context seems like a bad one because (like god) it actually explains nothing, adds nothing useful and in fact, adds a layer of complexity where it isn't needed because consciousness is a thing in this theory, a field of pure awareness and intelligence. All of these things imply a direction to creation and evolution that it doesn't seem to have. And it obviously requires another explanation beyond the equations describing quantum behaviour, and it would be an explanation along the lines of intelligence processing etc. Bit of a tall order for something we can't even measure! It's OK for John Hagelin to believe that this is the case but he shouldn't start his lectures without a major caveat to the effect that he's trying to fit what he knows of physics into an ancient belief system and that no one else agrees with him. Apart from the other yagya pedlars on the conference circuit obviously. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 8:11 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Are Aliens too Distant for Contact? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Salyavin, If you believe that the universe is based in consciousness, I don't. That's the problem, just believing stuff about the universe and hoping you can find enough things to justify beliefs you have already decided are true without any evidence is no way to go about learning what's going on. The idea that thoughts are entangled quantumly with the rest of the universe is nonsense, classical information - that which can distinguish one thing from another - cannot get entangled and therefore can't be transmitted. then our thoughts are somehow entangled in a quantum sense with the rest of the universe. So, it is possible to communicate telepathically with other sentient beings instantaneously in our galaxy or with the rest of the universe. I'm sure that if it was possible we'd be able to do it here, probably wouldn't even need this internet thingy in the way. As it is we appear separate from each other. There used to be a question similar to the following: if a tree fell in a forest of an earth-like planet 1,000 light years away from us, would it make a sound? My answer is yes, because consciousnes is present there and everywhere else in the universe. And, somehow our own consciousness is linked--or entangled--with that universel consciousness. I think you'll find that sound is pressure waves in the atmosphere, sure it needs our consciousness to interpret what is going on but it will make whatever sound it makes whether anyone is there or not. Or whether the universe is conscious or not. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq
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thang IMO. They seek knowledge until they find something that agrees with what they've already been told to believe and thus gives them an endorphin rush of self-importance. At that point their minds shut down and stop functioning. Just think of the way that jr_esq keeps trotting out a medieval proof of God's existence that has been discredited for hundreds of years. The moment he heard it, and found something that he could consider proof of what he already wanted to believe, he stopped listening to anything else. I tend to believe that Faith is synonymous with Willful Ignorance. The moment you decide that you know the truth of something, that is the point at which you stop looking for deeper truths and being open to new information. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 8:11 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Are Aliens too Distant for Contact? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Salyavin, If you believe that the universe is based in consciousness, I don't. That's the problem, just believing stuff about the universe and hoping you can find enough things to justify beliefs you have already decided are true without any evidence is no way to go about learning what's going on. The idea that thoughts are entangled quantumly with the rest of the universe is nonsense, classical information - that which can distinguish one thing from another - cannot get entangled and therefore can't be transmitted. then our thoughts are somehow entangled in a quantum sense with the rest of the universe. So, it is possible to communicate telepathically with other sentient beings instantaneously in our galaxy or with the rest of the universe. I'm sure that if it was possible we'd be able to do it here, probably wouldn't even need this internet thingy in the way. As it is we appear separate from each other. There used to be a question similar to the following: if a tree fell in a forest of an earth-like planet 1,000 light years away from us, would it make a sound? My answer is yes, because consciousnes is present there and everywhere else in the universe. And, somehow our own consciousness is linked--or entangled--with that universel consciousness. I think you'll find that sound is pressure waves in the atmosphere, sure it needs our consciousness to interpret what is going on but it will make whatever sound it makes whether anyone is there or not. Or whether the universe is conscious or not. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : S3, That's a good question. We may not get any message back at all since the radio waves are relatively slow in comparison to the large distances involved in the scale of the Milky Way and the entire universe. Also, the earth-like planets near us may not have any advanced civilizations like ours. Or, that their living beings are still in the microbial, plant or animal stages. My point is that, if there are any advanced human-like civilizations in the Milk Way, they would be communicating with us telepathically or through lucid dreams. For example, a few years ago, there was a psychic here on FFL who posted that he was able to communicate telepathically with another being from the Pleaides star system. I believe Rick knows the guy who also lives in Fairfield, Iowa. OK, the first problem is: why would telepathic waves travel faster than light? Or rather, how could they travel faster than light? And that's forgetting the obvious question of brains being not all that strong compared to, say, Jodrell bank radio telescope! So the send/receive function is going to be a bit limited. The other big problem is that the Pleaides system is pretty much the last place you will find life in our galaxy, a bunch of very young white-hot supergiant stars. Life of any organic type aint happening there, or anywhere close. That's typical of science, always spoiling people's fun. UFO contactees used to say they'd met beings from Venus or Mars until the harsh reality of the climate on those worlds drove their imaginary aliens away to the outer planets first and then on to more distant star systems. Not sure why the Pleaides got chosen as a home for the Space Brothers. They do look nice though, especially through a telescope as you can still see the blue nebulae that the stars formed out of. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Yes, probably so, if the means of communication is through light or radio waves. I enjoyed that moment in the movie Contact where the first TV signal that aliens would have received from Earth was Hitler's speech at the 1936 Olympics. The idea has since been dismissed by scientists as it seems that the transmission signal was very low powered so
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Setting aside the efficacy of those who maintain there are are other beings out there, you don't even have their story straight. You invent a narrative contrary to their position and attempt to discredit it on that basis. You've really developed a bad habit along these lines. Suggestion: Before you go about calling someone else an internet troll, take a look at thyself. Good luck. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : S3, That's a good question. We may not get any message back at all since the radio waves are relatively slow in comparison to the large distances involved in the scale of the Milky Way and the entire universe. Also, the earth-like planets near us may not have any advanced civilizations like ours. Or, that their living beings are still in the microbial, plant or animal stages. My point is that, if there are any advanced human-like civilizations in the Milk Way, they would be communicating with us telepathically or through lucid dreams. For example, a few years ago, there was a psychic here on FFL who posted that he was able to communicate telepathically with another being from the Pleaides star system. I believe Rick knows the guy who also lives in Fairfield, Iowa. OK, the first problem is: why would telepathic waves travel faster than light? Or rather, how could they travel faster than light? And that's forgetting the obvious question of brains being not all that strong compared to, say, Jodrell bank radio telescope! So the send/receive function is going to be a bit limited. The other big problem is that the Pleaides system is pretty much the last place you will find life in our galaxy, a bunch of very young white-hot supergiant stars. Life of any organic type aint happening there, or anywhere close. That's typical of science, always spoiling people's fun. UFO contactees used to say they'd met beings from Venus or Mars until the harsh reality of the climate on those worlds drove their imaginary aliens away to the outer planets first and then on to more distant star systems. Not sure why the Pleaides got chosen as a home for the Space Brothers. They do look nice though, especially through a telescope as you can still see the blue nebulae that the stars formed out of. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Yes, probably so, if the means of communication is through light or radio waves. I enjoyed that moment in the movie Contact where the first TV signal that aliens would have received from Earth was Hitler's speech at the 1936 Olympics. The idea has since been dismissed by scientists as it seems that the transmission signal was very low powered so is unlikely to be picked out amongst all the background radiation in space. But what will their first Earth TV signal be? I Love Lucy? Baywatch? American Idol? Perhaps the best hope is that it's some global warming/ecological doom-laden documentary so that the aliens conclude it's not worth wasting time invading our dying planet. As such, the speed of communication is limited by the speed of light. But it is theoretically possible to contact ETs through telepathic means or lucid dreaming. Why? Because consciousness pervades the entire universe. So, communication through consciousness is faster than the speed of light. IMO, the Srimad Bhagavatam has given us clues of this type of communication in the story relating to Urvasi, the heavenly apsara. She supposedly can be found taking a bath in the region near the Pleiades, which is placed in beginning degrees of Taurus. From my experience, everyone--perhaps, more so for males--can see Urvasi through lucid dreaming when the Moon is transiting the 3rd quarter of Krittika nakshatra. She appears as a beautiful female during a dream.
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Sounds like one of your in your head only analysis. I believe many of the original quantum scientists speculated on a reality beyond what physical science had come up with. I guess those scientists had some ability to move past physicality in a way you are not able. Leading from behind is your tendency, I'm afraid. Safe, but boring, and in your case, a tad arrogant. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Sometimes I think that Maharishi's greatest accomplishment should be listed as having taken so many at-one-time-fairly-intelligent people and, over time, turned them into weak-minded, gullible idiots like jr_esq, Share, srijau, Lawson, and others we see from time to time here on FFL. These people will believe *anything* if 1) they're told that Maharishi or some other Seller Of Woo Woo believed in it, and 2) it makes them feel more self-important and 'special' for believing it. The stuff they believe doesn't need to be reasonable, it doesn't need to follow the laws of physics or chemistry, and it doesn't depend on any kind of evidence. In fact, when presented with evidence that proves their belief to be nonsense, they believe even more strongly. Truly an accomplishment... Yes indeed, something to be proud of. I first came across it when attending a coherence day at the local academy (where I later lived) we were in the garden on a starry night and looking around the night sky and I was pointing out various things of interest like which planets were which and how far the nearest galaxy is when this purusha guy turned to me and said And just think it's all consciousness. What's troubling is it was said with an intimation that it was an improvement or a superior explanation to just thinking that the universe is made of energy and stuff. It worries me because scientific and religious explanations don't mix very well but the quantum crowd think they've found a way of fitting the one into the other, or at least blinding people with enough abstract concepts so they think the two things belong together. It does annoy me too because people, like John, seem genuinely interested in physics and the sort of things it explains really well and the amazing discoveries and concepts of cosmology. But with this training in vedic beliefs he gets from the TMO he doesn't have a way of grading the knowledge for quality. There are only two types of explanation, good ones and bad ones. Consciousness in this context seems like a bad one because (like god) it actually explains nothing, adds nothing useful and in fact, adds a layer of complexity where it isn't needed because consciousness is a thing in this theory, a field of pure awareness and intelligence. All of these things imply a direction to creation and evolution that it doesn't seem to have. And it obviously requires another explanation beyond the equations describing quantum behaviour, and it would be an explanation along the lines of intelligence processing etc. Bit of a tall order for something we can't even measure! It's OK for John Hagelin to believe that this is the case but he shouldn't start his lectures without a major caveat to the effect that he's trying to fit what he knows of physics into an ancient belief system and that no one else agrees with him. Apart from the other yagya pedlars on the conference circuit obviously. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 8:11 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Are Aliens too Distant for Contact? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Salyavin, If you believe that the universe is based in consciousness, I don't. That's the problem, just believing stuff about the universe and hoping you can find enough things to justify beliefs you have already decided are true without any evidence is no way to go about learning what's going on. The idea that thoughts are entangled quantumly with the rest of the universe is nonsense, classical information - that which can distinguish one thing from another - cannot get entangled and therefore can't be transmitted. then our thoughts are somehow entangled in a quantum sense with the rest of the universe. So, it is possible to communicate telepathically with other sentient beings instantaneously in our galaxy or with the rest of the universe. I'm sure that if it was possible we'd be able to do it here, probably wouldn't even need this internet thingy in the way. As it is we appear separate from each other. There used to be a question similar to the following: if a tree fell in a forest of an earth-like planet 1,000 light years away from us, would it make a sound? My answer is yes, because consciousnes is present there and everywhere else in the universe. And, somehow our
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in people like jr_esq, Jim, srijau, Share, and Nabby (not to mention Hagelin and Tony Nader) is that in their supposed quest for knowledge their minds seem to turn off the instant they hear (or think up) an explanation or conspiracy theory that makes them go Woo. It's an emotional thang IMO. They seek knowledge until they find something that agrees with what they've already been told to believe and thus gives them an endorphin rush of self-importance. At that point their minds shut down and stop functioning. Just think of the way that jr_esq keeps trotting out a medieval proof of God's existence that has been discredited for hundreds of years. The moment he heard it, and found something that he could consider proof of what he already wanted to believe, he stopped listening to anything else. I tend to believe that Faith is synonymous with Willful Ignorance. The moment you decide that you know the truth of something, that is the point at which you stop looking for deeper truths and being open to new information. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 8:11 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Are Aliens too Distant for Contact? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Salyavin, If you believe that the universe is based in consciousness, I don't. That's the problem, just believing stuff about the universe and hoping you can find enough things to justify beliefs you have already decided are true without any evidence is no way to go about learning what's going on. The idea that thoughts are entangled quantumly with the rest of the universe is nonsense, classical information - that which can distinguish one thing from another - cannot get entangled and therefore can't be transmitted. then our thoughts are somehow entangled in a quantum sense with the rest of the universe. So, it is possible to communicate telepathically with other sentient beings instantaneously in our galaxy or with the rest of the universe. I'm sure that if it was possible we'd be able to do it here, probably wouldn't even need this internet thingy in the way. As it is we appear separate from each other. There used to be a question similar to the following: if a tree fell in a forest of an earth-like planet 1,000 light years away from us, would it make a sound? My answer is yes, because consciousnes is present there and everywhere else in the universe. And, somehow our own consciousness is linked--or entangled--with that universel consciousness. I think you'll find that sound is pressure waves in the atmosphere, sure it needs our consciousness to interpret what is going on but it will make whatever sound it makes whether anyone is there or not. Or whether the universe is conscious or not. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : S3, That's a good question. We may not get any message back at all since the radio waves are relatively slow in comparison to the large distances involved in the scale of the Milky Way and the entire universe. Also, the earth-like planets near us may not have any advanced civilizations like ours. Or, that their living beings are still in the microbial, plant or animal stages. My point is that, if there are any advanced human-like civilizations in the Milk Way, they would be communicating with us telepathically or through lucid dreams. For example, a few years ago, there was a psychic here on FFL who posted that he was able to communicate telepathically with another being from the Pleaides star system. I believe Rick knows the guy who also lives in Fairfield, Iowa. OK, the first problem is: why would telepathic waves travel faster than light? Or rather, how could they travel faster than light? And that's forgetting the obvious question of brains being not all that strong compared to, say, Jodrell bank radio telescope! So the send/receive function is going to be a bit limited. The other big problem is that the Pleaides system is pretty much the last place you will find life in our galaxy, a bunch of very young white-hot supergiant stars. Life of any organic type aint happening there, or anywhere close. That's typical of science, always spoiling people's fun. UFO contactees used to say they'd met beings from Venus or Mars until the harsh reality of the climate on those worlds drove their imaginary aliens away to the outer planets first and then on to more distant star systems. Not sure why the Pleaides got chosen as a home for the Space Brothers. They do look nice though, especially through a telescope as you can still see the blue nebulae that the stars formed out of. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Yes, probably
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pedlars on the conference circuit obviously. In this sense, Hagelin is actually closer to the role that Charlie Lutes played within the TM movement than anything else. Charlie used to pepper his talks with all sorts of esoteric crap that he'd learned from his days studying Western Mysticism. Which would have been fine, except that he didn't *present* it that way. He implied that everything he was saying came from Maharishi, and was therefore part of Maharishi's teachings. Hagelin does the same thing with his own crackpot theories, presenting them as if they were real science, when they're not. The thing I see in people like jr_esq, Jim, srijau, Share, and Nabby (not to mention Hagelin and Tony Nader) is that in their supposed quest for knowledge their minds seem to turn off the instant they hear (or think up) an explanation or conspiracy theory that makes them go Woo. It's an emotional thang IMO. They seek knowledge until they find something that agrees with what they've already been told to believe and thus gives them an endorphin rush of self-importance. At that point their minds shut down and stop functioning. Just think of the way that jr_esq keeps trotting out a medieval proof of God's existence that has been discredited for hundreds of years. The moment he heard it, and found something that he could consider proof of what he already wanted to believe, he stopped listening to anything else. I tend to believe that Faith is synonymous with Willful Ignorance. The moment you decide that you know the truth of something, that is the point at which you stop looking for deeper truths and being open to new information. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 8:11 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Are Aliens too Distant for Contact? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Salyavin, If you believe that the universe is based in consciousness, I don't. That's the problem, just believing stuff about the universe and hoping you can find enough things to justify beliefs you have already decided are true without any evidence is no way to go about learning what's going on. The idea that thoughts are entangled quantumly with the rest of the universe is nonsense, classical information - that which can distinguish one thing from another - cannot get entangled and therefore can't be transmitted. then our thoughts are somehow entangled in a quantum sense with the rest of the universe. So, it is possible to communicate telepathically with other sentient beings instantaneously in our galaxy or with the rest of the universe. I'm sure that if it was possible we'd be able to do it here, probably wouldn't even need this internet thingy in the way. As it is we appear separate from each other. There used to be a question similar to the following: if a tree fell in a forest of an earth-like planet 1,000 light years away from us, would it make a sound? My answer is yes, because consciousnes is present there and everywhere else in the universe. And, somehow our own consciousness is linked--or entangled--with that universel consciousness. I think you'll find that sound is pressure waves in the atmosphere, sure it needs our consciousness to interpret what is going on but it will make whatever sound it makes whether anyone is there or not. Or whether the universe is conscious or not. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : S3, That's a good question. We may not get any message back at all since the radio waves are relatively slow in comparison to the large distances involved in the scale of the Milky Way and the entire universe. Also, the earth-like planets near us may not have any advanced civilizations like ours. Or, that their living beings are still in the microbial, plant or animal stages. My point is that, if there are any advanced human-like civilizations in the Milk Way, they would be communicating with us telepathically or through lucid dreams. For example, a few years ago, there was a psychic here on FFL who posted that he was able to communicate telepathically with another being from the Pleaides star system. I believe Rick knows the guy who also lives in Fairfield, Iowa. OK, the first problem is: why would telepathic waves travel faster than light? Or rather, how could they travel faster than light? And that's forgetting the obvious question of brains being not all that strong compared to, say, Jodrell bank radio telescope! So the send/receive function is going to be a bit limited. The other big problem is that the Pleaides system is pretty much the last place you will find life in our galaxy, a bunch of very young white-hot supergiant stars. Life of any organic type aint happening there, or anywhere close. That's
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it makes them feel more self-important and 'special' for believing it. Now, it may come as a complete shock to you, dude, but you appear pretty damned self-important, and 'special', most of the time, pronouncing judgment on a lot of good people, for no other reason, than to forget your own truly pathetic existence. You may think this is a grand game, a pushing of buttons, but you are hardly one to point fingers. Sure, Barry, you live in Europe, but THAT IS ALL YOU DO. You might as well live in Nebraska, for all it gets you. Anyone can drink beer, watch TV, and think up inflammatory shit to write on the Internet. That doesn't make you smart, or witty, or wise. Frankly, doing absolutely nothing except stirring the pot here, makes you appear as kind of a loser, to normal people. A tragic figure, with not enough experience to stand on his own, needing to climb on others' backs, to appear taller to himself. One could refer to you as, a shoe lift of a man. Why don't you get off of here, and actually DO something? Write a book. Take the train to another country. Go on a date. Build something. Visit a museum. Such a tired old fart, doing nothing in your virtual Nebraska, except pissing in other people's pools. If you could only see it, the red would rise in your face. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Sometimes I think that Maharishi's greatest accomplishment should be listed as having taken so many at-one-time-fairly-intelligent people and, over time, turned them into weak-minded, gullible idiots like jr_esq, Share, srijau, Lawson, and others we see from time to time here on FFL. These people will believe *anything* if 1) they're told that Maharishi or some other Seller Of Woo Woo believed in it, and 2) it makes them feel more self-important and 'special' for believing it. The stuff they believe doesn't need to be reasonable, it doesn't need to follow the laws of physics or chemistry, and it doesn't depend on any kind of evidence. In fact, when presented with evidence that proves their belief to be nonsense, they believe even more strongly. Truly an accomplishment... From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 8:11 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Are Aliens too Distant for Contact? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Salyavin, If you believe that the universe is based in consciousness, I don't. That's the problem, just believing stuff about the universe and hoping you can find enough things to justify beliefs you have already decided are true without any evidence is no way to go about learning what's going on. The idea that thoughts are entangled quantumly with the rest of the universe is nonsense, classical information - that which can distinguish one thing from another - cannot get entangled and therefore can't be transmitted. then our thoughts are somehow entangled in a quantum sense with the rest of the universe. So, it is possible to communicate telepathically with other sentient beings instantaneously in our galaxy or with the rest of the universe. I'm sure that if it was possible we'd be able to do it here, probably wouldn't even need this internet thingy in the way. As it is we appear separate from each other. There used to be a question similar to the following: if a tree fell in a forest of an earth-like planet 1,000 light years away from us, would it make a sound? My answer is yes, because consciousnes is present there and everywhere else in the universe. And, somehow our own consciousness is linked--or entangled--with that universel consciousness. I think you'll find that sound is pressure waves in the atmosphere, sure it needs our consciousness to interpret what is going on but it will make whatever sound it makes whether anyone is there or not. Or whether the universe is conscious or not. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : S3, That's a good question. We may not get any message back at all since the radio waves are relatively slow in comparison to the large distances involved in the scale of the Milky Way and the entire universe. Also, the earth-like planets near us may not have any advanced civilizations like ours. Or, that their living beings are still in the microbial, plant or animal stages. My point is that, if there are any advanced human-like civilizations in the Milk Way, they would be communicating with us telepathically or through lucid dreams. For example, a few years ago, there was a psychic here on FFL who posted that he was able to communicate telepathically with another being from the Pleaides star system. I believe Rick knows the guy who also lives in Fairfield, Iowa. OK, the first problem is: why would telepathic waves travel faster than light
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and evolution that it doesn't seem to have. And it obviously requires another explanation beyond the equations describing quantum behaviour, and it would be an explanation along the lines of intelligence processing etc. Bit of a tall order for something we can't even measure! It's OK for John Hagelin to believe that this is the case but he shouldn't start his lectures without a major caveat to the effect that he's trying to fit what he knows of physics into an ancient belief system and that no one else agrees with him. Apart from the other yagya pedlars on the conference circuit obviously. In this sense, Hagelin is actually closer to the role that Charlie Lutes played within the TM movement than anything else. Charlie used to pepper his talks with all sorts of esoteric crap that he'd learned from his days studying Western Mysticism. Which would have been fine, except that he didn't *present* it that way. He implied that everything he was saying came from Maharishi, and was therefore part of Maharishi's teachings. Hagelin does the same thing with his own crackpot theories, presenting them as if they were real science, when they're not. The thing I see in people like jr_esq, Jim, srijau, Share, and Nabby (not to mention Hagelin and Tony Nader) is that in their supposed quest for knowledge their minds seem to turn off the instant they hear (or think up) an explanation or conspiracy theory that makes them go Woo. It's an emotional thang IMO. They seek knowledge until they find something that agrees with what they've already been told to believe and thus gives them an endorphin rush of self-importance. At that point their minds shut down and stop functioning. Just think of the way that jr_esq keeps trotting out a medieval proof of God's existence that has been discredited for hundreds of years. The moment he heard it, and found something that he could consider proof of what he already wanted to believe, he stopped listening to anything else. I tend to believe that Faith is synonymous with Willful Ignorance. The moment you decide that you know the truth of something, that is the point at which you stop looking for deeper truths and being open to new information. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 8:11 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Are Aliens too Distant for Contact? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Salyavin, If you believe that the universe is based in consciousness, I don't. That's the problem, just believing stuff about the universe and hoping you can find enough things to justify beliefs you have already decided are true without any evidence is no way to go about learning what's going on. The idea that thoughts are entangled quantumly with the rest of the universe is nonsense, classical information - that which can distinguish one thing from another - cannot get entangled and therefore can't be transmitted. then our thoughts are somehow entangled in a quantum sense with the rest of the universe. So, it is possible to communicate telepathically with other sentient beings instantaneously in our galaxy or with the rest of the universe. I'm sure that if it was possible we'd be able to do it here, probably wouldn't even need this internet thingy in the way. As it is we appear separate from each other. There used to be a question similar to the following: if a tree fell in a forest of an earth-like planet 1,000 light years away from us, would it make a sound? My answer is yes, because consciousnes is present there and everywhere else in the universe. And, somehow our own consciousness is linked--or entangled--with that universel consciousness. I think you'll find that sound is pressure waves in the atmosphere, sure it needs our consciousness to interpret what is going on but it will make whatever sound it makes whether anyone is there or not. Or whether the universe is conscious or not. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : S3, That's a good question. We may not get any message back at all since the radio waves are relatively slow in comparison to the large distances involved in the scale of the Milky Way and the entire universe. Also, the earth-like planets near us may not have any advanced civilizations like ours. Or, that their living beings are still in the microbial, plant or animal stages. My point is that, if there are any advanced human-like civilizations in the Milk Way, they would be communicating with us telepathically or through lucid dreams. For example, a few years ago, there was a psychic here on FFL who posted that he was able to communicate telepathically with another being from the Pleaides star system. I believe Rick knows the guy who also lives in Fairfield, Iowa. OK
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the real scientific explanations. It's like they've become proponents of the Anti-Occam's Razor Principle. ...because consciousness is a thing in this theory, a field of pure awareness and intelligence. All of these things imply a direction to creation and evolution that it doesn't seem to have. And it obviously requires another explanation beyond the equations describing quantum behaviour, and it would be an explanation along the lines of intelligence processing etc. Bit of a tall order for something we can't even measure! It's OK for John Hagelin to believe that this is the case but he shouldn't start his lectures without a major caveat to the effect that he's trying to fit what he knows of physics into an ancient belief system and that no one else agrees with him. Apart from the other yagya pedlars on the conference circuit obviously. In this sense, Hagelin is actually closer to the role that Charlie Lutes played within the TM movement than anything else. Charlie used to pepper his talks with all sorts of esoteric crap that he'd learned from his days studying Western Mysticism. Which would have been fine, except that he didn't *present* it that way. He implied that everything he was saying came from Maharishi, and was therefore part of Maharishi's teachings. Hagelin does the same thing with his own crackpot theories, presenting them as if they were real science, when they're not. The thing I see in people like jr_esq, Jim, srijau, Share, and Nabby (not to mention Hagelin and Tony Nader) is that in their supposed quest for knowledge their minds seem to turn off the instant they hear (or think up) an explanation or conspiracy theory that makes them go Woo. It's an emotional thang IMO. They seek knowledge until they find something that agrees with what they've already been told to believe and thus gives them an endorphin rush of self-importance. At that point their minds shut down and stop functioning. Just think of the way that jr_esq keeps trotting out a medieval proof of God's existence that has been discredited for hundreds of years. The moment he heard it, and found something that he could consider proof of what he already wanted to believe, he stopped listening to anything else. I tend to believe that Faith is synonymous with Willful Ignorance. The moment you decide that you know the truth of something, that is the point at which you stop looking for deeper truths and being open to new information. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 8:11 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Are Aliens too Distant for Contact? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Salyavin, If you believe that the universe is based in consciousness, I don't. That's the problem, just believing stuff about the universe and hoping you can find enough things to justify beliefs you have already decided are true without any evidence is no way to go about learning what's going on. The idea that thoughts are entangled quantumly with the rest of the universe is nonsense, classical information - that which can distinguish one thing from another - cannot get entangled and therefore can't be transmitted. then our thoughts are somehow entangled in a quantum sense with the rest of the universe. So, it is possible to communicate telepathically with other sentient beings instantaneously in our galaxy or with the rest of the universe. I'm sure that if it was possible we'd be able to do it here, probably wouldn't even need this internet thingy in the way. As it is we appear separate from each other. There used to be a question similar to the following: if a tree fell in a forest of an earth-like planet 1,000 light years away from us, would it make a sound? My answer is yes, because consciousnes is present there and everywhere else in the universe. And, somehow our own consciousness is linked--or entangled--with that universel consciousness. I think you'll find that sound is pressure waves in the atmosphere, sure it needs our consciousness to interpret what is going on but it will make whatever sound it makes whether anyone is there or not. Or whether the universe is conscious or not. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : S3, That's a good question. We may not get any message back at all since the radio waves are relatively slow in comparison to the large distances involved in the scale of the Milky Way and the entire universe. Also, the earth-like planets near us may not have any advanced civilizations like ours. Or, that their living beings are still in the microbial, plant or animal stages. My point is that, if there are any advanced human-like civilizations in the Milk Way, they would be communicating with us telepathically or through lucid dreams
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From: blue_bungalo...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 1:29 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Are Aliens too Distant for Contact? Relax Steve, have you re-incarnated as Judy here? Some change seems to have come over you. Listen, you just can't bother about him. You will be wasting your life that way. Judy wasted hers. Jim wasted his. His intention is to provoke you. You keep falling into his trap again and again. For the record, I never placed jedi_spock on my Do Not Read list. *Most* of the time his stuff isn't worth reading, but I still give his posts a shot because there is the off chance he might say something useful. As in this post, trying to clue Steve and Jim into how obsessed they've become, and what that says about their *own* lack of intelligence and discrimination. When the man's right, he's right. :-) :-) :-)
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turq shows what a great master Maharishi was and is. The purpose of a master is to help the students see their delusions. Maharishi has explained that fear is the last negative emotion to go. From the Gita: certainly fear is borne of duality. As long as we feel separate from the world, we will feel fear, though maybe on a deep level. And then we humans attempt to feel safe. Mainly modern people try to feel safe by having figured out life. Even turq does this. Women generally try to feel safe by feeling loved; men by being competent. It's from our cave days and hardwired into our noggins. Specialness is a subset of these. If the tribe chief loves us or if we're his right hand man, we'll get the best pieces of wooly mammouth. At any moment, even this one, we are all acting from some percentage of fullness or safety and some percentage of emptiness or fear. Hope this helps you feel safer. Meanwhile, a little colloidal silver every day (-: On Thursday, October 9, 2014 6:33 AM, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: it makes them feel more self-important and 'special' for believing it. Now, it may come as a complete shock to you, dude, but you appear pretty damned self-important, and 'special', most of the time, pronouncing judgment on a lot of good people, for no other reason, than to forget your own truly pathetic existence. You may think this is a grand game, a pushing of buttons, but you are hardly one to point fingers. Sure, Barry, you live in Europe, but THAT IS ALL YOU DO. You might as well live in Nebraska, for all it gets you. Anyone can drink beer, watch TV, and think up inflammatory shit to write on the Internet. That doesn't make you smart, or witty, or wise. Frankly, doing absolutely nothing except stirring the pot here, makes you appear as kind of a loser, to normal people. A tragic figure, with not enough experience to stand on his own, needing to climb on others' backs, to appear taller to himself. One could refer to you as, a shoe lift of a man. Why don't you get off of here, and actually DO something? Write a book. Take the train to another country. Go on a date. Build something. Visit a museum. Such a tired old fart, doing nothing in your virtual Nebraska, except pissing in other people's pools. If you could only see it, the red would rise in your face. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Sometimes I think that Maharishi's greatest accomplishment should be listed as having taken so many at-one-time-fairly-intelligent people and, over time, turned them into weak-minded, gullible idiots like jr_esq, Share, srijau, Lawson, and others we see from time to time here on FFL. These people will believe *anything* if 1) they're told that Maharishi or some other Seller Of Woo Woo believed in it, and 2) it makes them feel more self-important and 'special' for believing it. The stuff they believe doesn't need to be reasonable, it doesn't need to follow the laws of physics or chemistry, and it doesn't depend on any kind of evidence. In fact, when presented with evidence that proves their belief to be nonsense, they believe even more strongly. Truly an accomplishment... From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 8:11 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Are Aliens too Distant for Contact? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Salyavin, If you believe that the universe is based in consciousness, I don't. That's the problem, just believing stuff about the universe and hoping you can find enough things to justify beliefs you have already decided are true without any evidence is no way to go about learning what's going on. The idea that thoughts are entangled quantumly with the rest of the universe is nonsense, classical information - that which can distinguish one thing from another - cannot get entangled and therefore can't be transmitted. then our thoughts are somehow entangled in a quantum sense with the rest of the universe. So, it is possible to communicate telepathically with other sentient beings instantaneously in our galaxy or with the rest of the universe. I'm sure that if it was possible we'd be able to do it here, probably wouldn't even need this internet thingy in the way. As it is we appear separate from each other. There used to be a question similar to the following: if a tree fell in a forest of an earth-like planet 1,000 light years away from us, would it make a sound? My answer is yes, because consciousnes is present there and everywhere else in the universe. And, somehow our own consciousness is linked--or entangled--with that universel consciousness. I think you'll find that sound is pressure waves in the atmosphere, sure it needs our consciousness to interpret what is going on but it will make whatever sound
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in a room with a crazy person any longer. There are only two types of explanation, good ones and bad ones. Consciousness in this context seems like a bad one because (like god) it actually explains nothing, adds nothing useful and in fact, adds a layer of complexity where it isn't needed... Exactly. Almost without exception, all of their theories about how the universe works are more complex than the real scientific explanations. It's like they've become proponents of the Anti-Occam's Razor Principle. ...because consciousness is a thing in this theory, a field of pure awareness and intelligence. All of these things imply a direction to creation and evolution that it doesn't seem to have. And it obviously requires another explanation beyond the equations describing quantum behaviour, and it would be an explanation along the lines of intelligence processing etc. Bit of a tall order for something we can't even measure! It's OK for John Hagelin to believe that this is the case but he shouldn't start his lectures without a major caveat to the effect that he's trying to fit what he knows of physics into an ancient belief system and that no one else agrees with him. Apart from the other yagya pedlars on the conference circuit obviously. In this sense, Hagelin is actually closer to the role that Charlie Lutes played within the TM movement than anything else. Charlie used to pepper his talks with all sorts of esoteric crap that he'd learned from his days studying Western Mysticism. Which would have been fine, except that he didn't *present* it that way. He implied that everything he was saying came from Maharishi, and was therefore part of Maharishi's teachings. Hagelin does the same thing with his own crackpot theories, presenting them as if they were real science, when they're not. The thing I see in people like jr_esq, Jim, srijau, Share, and Nabby (not to mention Hagelin and Tony Nader) is that in their supposed quest for knowledge their minds seem to turn off the instant they hear (or think up) an explanation or conspiracy theory that makes them go Woo. It's an emotional thang IMO. They seek knowledge until they find something that agrees with what they've already been told to believe and thus gives them an endorphin rush of self-importance. At that point their minds shut down and stop functioning. Just think of the way that jr_esq keeps trotting out a medieval proof of God's existence that has been discredited for hundreds of years. The moment he heard it, and found something that he could consider proof of what he already wanted to believe, he stopped listening to anything else. I tend to believe that Faith is synonymous with Willful Ignorance. The moment you decide that you know the truth of something, that is the point at which you stop looking for deeper truths and being open to new information. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 8:11 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Are Aliens too Distant for Contact? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Salyavin, If you believe that the universe is based in consciousness, I don't. That's the problem, just believing stuff about the universe and hoping you can find enough things to justify beliefs you have already decided are true without any evidence is no way to go about learning what's going on. The idea that thoughts are entangled quantumly with the rest of the universe is nonsense, classical information - that which can distinguish one thing from another - cannot get entangled and therefore can't be transmitted. then our thoughts are somehow entangled in a quantum sense with the rest of the universe. So, it is possible to communicate telepathically with other sentient beings instantaneously in our galaxy or with the rest of the universe. I'm sure that if it was possible we'd be able to do it here, probably wouldn't even need this internet thingy in the way. As it is we appear separate from each other. There used to be a question similar to the following: if a tree fell in a forest of an earth-like planet 1,000 light years away from us, would it make a sound? My answer is yes, because consciousnes is present there and everywhere else in the universe. And, somehow our own consciousness is linked--or entangled--with that universel consciousness. I think you'll find that sound is pressure waves in the atmosphere, sure it needs our consciousness to interpret what is going on but it will make whatever sound it makes whether anyone is there or not. Or whether the universe is conscious or not. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : S3, That's a good question. We may not get any message back at all since the radio waves are relatively slow in comparison to the large
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Hey Barry, that was sort of a nice reply. None of that over the top bashing. I can live with that. (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: blue_bungalow_2@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 1:29 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Are Aliens too Distant for Contact? Relax Steve, have you re-incarnated as Judy here? Some change seems to have come over you. Listen, you just can't bother about him. You will be wasting your life that way. Judy wasted hers. Jim wasted his. His intention is to provoke you. You keep falling into his trap again and again. For the record, I never placed jedi_spock on my Do Not Read list. *Most* of the time his stuff isn't worth reading, but I still give his posts a shot because there is the off chance he might say something useful. As in this post, trying to clue Steve and Jim into how obsessed they've become, and what that says about their *own* lack of intelligence and discrimination. When the man's right, he's right. :-) :-) :-)
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On 10/9/2014 1:58 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: The stuff they believe doesn't need to be reasonable, it doesn't need to follow the laws of physics or chemistry, and it doesn't depend on any kind of evidence. In fact, when presented with evidence that proves their belief to be nonsense, they believe even more strongly. Truly an accomplishment... /What I'm talking about is slowly lifting up off the sofa and sitting// //in midair for two to three minutes. Or stepping up off the ground in// //the desert and then flying around several feet above the ground for // //a while. / http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/143231
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On 10/9/2014 3:54 AM, salyavin808 wrote: The stuff they believe doesn't need to be reasonable, it doesn't need to follow the laws of physics or chemistry, and it doesn't depend on any kind of evidence. In fact, when presented with evidence that proves their belief to be nonsense, they believe even more strongly. Truly an accomplishment... Yes indeed, something to be proud of. Indeed. /What I'm talking about is slowly lifting up off the sofa and sitting// //in midair for two to three minutes. Or stepping up off the ground in// //the desert and then flying around several feet above the ground for // //a while. // // //http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/143231/
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have been fine, except that he didn't *present* it that way. He implied that everything he was saying came from Maharishi, and was therefore part of Maharishi's teachings. Hagelin does the same thing with his own crackpot theories, presenting them as if they were real science, when they're not. The thing I see in people like jr_esq, Jim, srijau, Share, and Nabby (not to mention Hagelin and Tony Nader) is that in their supposed quest for knowledge their minds seem to turn off the instant they hear (or think up) an explanation or conspiracy theory that makes them go Woo. It's an emotional thang IMO. They seek knowledge until they find something that agrees with what they've already been told to believe and thus gives them an endorphin rush of self-importance. At that point their minds shut down and stop functioning. Just think of the way that jr_esq keeps trotting out a medieval proof of God's existence that has been discredited for hundreds of years. The moment he heard it, and found something that he could consider proof of what he already wanted to believe, he stopped listening to anything else. I tend to believe that Faith is synonymous with Willful Ignorance. The moment you decide that you know the truth of something, that is the point at which you stop looking for deeper truths and being open to new information. *From:* salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Thursday, October 9, 2014 8:11 AM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: Are Aliens too Distant for Contact? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Salyavin, If you believe that the universe is based in consciousness, I don't. That's the problem, just believing stuff about the universe and hoping you can find enough things to justify beliefs you have already decided are true without any evidence is no way to go about learning what's going on. The idea that thoughts are entangled quantumly with the rest of the universe is nonsense, classical information - that which can distinguish one thing from another - cannot get entangled and therefore can't be transmitted. then our thoughts are somehow entangled in a quantum sense with the rest of the universe. So, it is possible to communicate telepathically with other sentient beings instantaneously in our galaxy or with the rest of the universe. I'm sure that if it was possible we'd be able to do it here, probably wouldn't even need this internet thingy in the way. As it is we appear separate from each other. There used to be a question similar to the following: if a tree fell in a forest of an earth-like planet 1,000 light years away from us, would it make a sound? My answer is yes, because consciousnes is present there and everywhere else in the universe. And, somehow our own consciousness is linked--or entangled--with that universel consciousness. I think you'll find that sound is pressure waves in the atmosphere, sure it needs our consciousness to interpret what is going on but it will make whatever sound it makes whether anyone is there or not. Or whether the universe is conscious or not. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : S3, That's a good question. We may not get any message back at all since the radio waves are relatively slow in comparison to the large distances involved in the scale of the Milky Way and the entire universe. Also, the earth-like planets near us may not have any advanced civilizations like ours. Or, that their living beings are still in the microbial, plant or animal stages. My point is that, if there are any advanced human-like civilizations in the Milk Way, they would be communicating with us telepathically or through lucid dreams. For example, a few years ago, there was a psychic here on FFL who posted that he was able to communicate telepathically with another being from the Pleaides star system. I believe Rick knows the guy who also lives in Fairfield, Iowa. OK, the first problem is: why would telepathic waves travel faster than light? Or rather, how could they travel faster than light? And that's forgetting the obvious question of brains being not all that strong compared to, say, Jodrell bank radio telescope! So the send/receive function is going to be a bit limited. The other big problem is that the Pleaides system is pretty much the last place you will find life in our galaxy, a bunch of very young white-hot supergiant stars. Life of any organic type aint happening there, or anywhere close. That's typical of science, always spoiling people's fun. UFO contactees used to say they'd met beings from Venus or Mars until the harsh reality of the climate on those worlds drove their imaginary aliens away to the outer planets first and then on to more distant star systems. Not sure why the Pleaides got chosen as a home for the Space
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On 10/9/2014 6:33 AM, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Frankly, doing absolutely nothing except stirring the pot here, makes you appear as kind of a loser, to normal people. /Having been a military brat myself I can understand how an expat like Barry can be lonely and feel like a loser with nobody to talk to. In most cases the brats spend most of their time reading about what's going on in the U.S. - the center of the universe - and talking among themselves to try and figure out how they wound up in the back of beyond and how many days til they can get out. They watch American movies, go on social media to talk to their friends back home. In order to get attention they may even sometimes try to cause forum riots, just so they can get noticed by someone, anyone./ Motivation: * Attention-seeking: The troll seeks to dominate the thread by inciting anger, and effectively hijacking the topic at hand. * Cry for help: An indication of disturbing situations regarding family, relationships, substances, and schools. * Effect change: Stating extreme positions to make his or her actual beliefs seem moderate.
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Sometimes I think that Maharishi's greatest accomplishment should be listed as having taken so many at-one-time-fairly-intelligent people and, over time, turned them into weak-minded, gullible idiots like jr_esq, Share, srijau, Lawson, and others we see from time to time here on FFL. These people will believe *anything* if 1) they're told that Maharishi or some other Seller Of Woo Woo believed in it, and 2) it makes them feel more self-important and 'special' for believing it. The stuff they believe doesn't need to be reasonable, it doesn't need to follow the laws of physics or chemistry, and it doesn't depend on any kind of evidence. In fact, when presented with evidence that proves their belief to be nonsense, they believe even more strongly. Truly an accomplishment... Oh, bawee, you're too humble. Let's, for just a minute, talk about your accomplishment. Let me wax, just for a moment, about all that you have achieved here at FFL and perhaps in your other life too. You have managed, single-handedly, to have repeated yourself over and over and over and over again on the same meme, using the same tone, the same words for at least as long as I've been reading here. This is no small thing - that you would find the time and the energy and the will to be able, not to mention keen, to do this day after day. It surely exceeds my ability to take it all in day after day after day. You are the man. You are the one who never tires of hearing yourself say the same thing again and again. And you are, evidently, the person who believes others are taking any of what you write time and time and time again as anything but the result of a fellow so high on himself and what he believes that he feels the rest of us have an infinite capacity to keep reading your fluff post after empty post. Congratulations.
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On 10/9/2014 6:56 AM, blue_bungalo...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: You know Steve, it took others years to find his true character. Bob Price managed to find that out in just a few minutes time. Bob's so sharp, Uncle Tantra cannot face him. Uncle Tantra's criticism is designed to be offensive in a sadistic sense. /Thanks, blue_ that makes me feel better. All my postings are not meant to be sadistic, just dumb comments.//If I had been able to think of something sadistic, I would have sent it to Judy years ago. Go figure./ --- steve.sundur@... wrote : Okay Blue, thanks for the advice. But wasting my life?
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On 10/9/2014 7:11 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: turq shows what a great master Maharishi was and is. The purpose of a master is to help the students see their delusions. Maharishi has explained that fear is the last negative emotion to go. From the Gita: certainly fear is borne of duality. /TurqB has done a pretty good job since 1995 keeping the conversation going and building up MMY, so I want to give credit where credit is due. Thanks to people like Barry, meditation is now a household word all over the planet - each of us in our own way, either way. Good work!/ As long as we feel separate from the world, we will feel fear, though maybe on a deep level. And then we humans attempt to feel safe. Mainly modern people try to feel safe by having figured out life. Even turq does this. Women generally try to feel safe by feeling loved; men by being competent. It's from our cave days and hardwired into our noggins. Specialness is a subset of these. If the tribe chief loves us or if we're his right hand man, we'll get the best pieces of wooly mammouth. At any moment, even this one, we are all acting from some percentage of fullness or safety and some percentage of emptiness or fear. Hope this helps you feel safer. Meanwhile, a little colloidal silver every day (-: On Thursday, October 9, 2014 6:33 AM, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: it makes them feel more self-important and 'special' for believing it. */ /* Now, it may come as a complete shock to you, dude, but you appear pretty damned self-important, and 'special', most of the time, pronouncing judgment on a lot of good people, for no other reason, than to forget your own truly pathetic existence. You may think this is a grand game, a pushing of buttons, but you are hardly one to point fingers. Sure, Barry, you live in Europe, but THAT IS ALL YOU DO. You might as well live in Nebraska, for all it gets you. Anyone can drink beer, watch TV, and think up inflammatory shit to write on the Internet. That doesn't make you smart, or witty, or wise. Frankly, doing absolutely nothing except stirring the pot here, makes you appear as kind of a loser, to normal people. A tragic figure, with not enough experience to stand on his own, needing to climb on others' backs, to appear taller to himself. One could refer to you as, a shoe lift of a man. Why don't you get off of here, and actually DO something? Write a book. Take the train to another country. Go on a date. Build something. Visit a museum. Such a tired old fart, doing nothing in your virtual Nebraska, except pissing in other people's pools. If you could only see it, the red would rise in your face. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Sometimes I think that Maharishi's greatest accomplishment should be listed as having taken so many at-one-time-fairly-intelligent people and, over time, turned them into weak-minded, gullible idiots like jr_esq, Share, srijau, Lawson, and others we see from time to time here on FFL. These people will believe *anything* if 1) they're told that Maharishi or some other Seller Of Woo Woo believed in it, and 2) it makes them feel more self-important and 'special' for believing it. The stuff they believe doesn't need to be reasonable, it doesn't need to follow the laws of physics or chemistry, and it doesn't depend on any kind of evidence. In fact, when presented with evidence that proves their belief to be nonsense, they believe even more strongly. Truly an accomplishment... *From:* salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Thursday, October 9, 2014 8:11 AM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: Are Aliens too Distant for Contact? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Salyavin, If you believe that the universe is based in consciousness, I don't. That's the problem, just believing stuff about the universe and hoping you can find enough things to justify beliefs you have already decided are true without any evidence is no way to go about learning what's going on. The idea that thoughts are entangled quantumly with the rest of the universe is nonsense, classical information - that which can distinguish one thing from another - cannot get entangled and therefore can't be transmitted. then our thoughts are somehow entangled in a quantum sense with the rest of the universe. So, it is possible to communicate telepathically with other sentient beings instantaneously in our galaxy or with the rest of the universe. I'm sure that if it was possible we'd be able to do it here, probably wouldn't even need this internet thingy in the way. As it is we appear separate from each other. There used to be a question similar to the following: if a tree fell in a forest of an earth-like planet
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : it makes them feel more self-important and 'special' for believing it. Now, it may come as a complete shock to you, dude, but you appear pretty damned self-important, and 'special', most of the time, pronouncing judgment on a lot of good people, for no other reason, than to forget your own truly pathetic existence. You may think this is a grand game, a pushing of buttons, but you are hardly one to point fingers. Sure, Barry, you live in Europe, but THAT IS ALL YOU DO. You might as well live in Nebraska, for all it gets you. Anyone can drink beer, watch TV, and think up inflammatory shit to write on the Internet. That doesn't make you smart, or witty, or wise. Frankly, doing absolutely nothing except stirring the pot here, makes you appear as kind of a loser, to normal people. A tragic figure, with not enough experience to stand on his own, needing to climb on others' backs, to appear taller to himself. One could refer to you as, a shoe lift of a man. Why don't you get off of here, and actually DO something? Write a book. Take the train to another country. Go on a date. Build something. Visit a museum. Such a tired old fart, doing nothing in your virtual Nebraska, except pissing in other people's pools. If you could only see it, the red would rise in your face. See, this is why I like you, Mac. Although Share would call it ganging up I simply see it as really, really astute insight.
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This is what Zen masters call 'selling water by the river'. We end up embroiled in a spiritual path because we think it will eliminate our dissatisfaction with life, but the dissatisfaction comes from the way we construe life to be. Life can indeed be horrible, and there are certain things that require courage and fortitude to get through. All that 'enlightenment' brings is the realisation that life is exactly the way it is and no other way, that it was always this way, before and during ones sojourn on 'the path', and that no other way is possible henceforth, and this eliminates seeking behaviour and a particular sort of non-object-oriented fulfilment results because the mind is not spinning its wheels over nonsense. Then you get to live the rest of your life without those pernicious ideas you acquired before and during your spiritual quest. There is still plenty to do or not do, depending on your inclination. To quote the Vedantist James Swartz: 'If you can see that the question of freedom is due to a lack understanding, you will be open to a means of self knowledge. A means of self knowledge does not actually give you self knowledge, because everyone actually does know who they are... Unfortunately, there is usually a lack of clarity about the nature of the self, which impedes the full appreciation of it. This lack of clarity manifests as ill considered beliefs and opinions, particularly the belief that the self is limited. If you expose your mind to a ... means of self knowledge, it will patiently strip away these beliefs and clarity will return. When the last vestige of ignorance is removed, you will realize that you knew who you were all along. You will find it amusing that you went through so much seeking to find out what you already knew You are not getting something you do not have; you simply realize that what you sought so frantically you had all along. Enlightenment should be cause for embarrassment, not jubilation.' The above paragraph assumes that the 'means of self knowledge' will actually work. Sometimes it seems otherwise, especially when one is around spiritual types. It seems to me that 'masters' tend not to hang out together. Fraudulent masters perhaps do not want their con exposed, and real masters, who know what the real con is, really do not have anything to talk about with each other, because there is nothing at the end of the rainbow in this business. You end up where you started, with a net loss. From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 9:28 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Are Aliens too Distant for Contact? From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Sometimes I think that Maharishi's greatest accomplishment should be listed as having taken so many at-one-time-fairly-intelligent people and, over time, turned them into weak-minded, gullible idiots like jr_esq, Share, srijau, Lawson, and others we see from time to time here on FFL. These people will believe *anything* if 1) they're told that Maharishi or some other Seller Of Woo Woo believed in it, and 2) it makes them feel more self-important and 'special' for believing it. The stuff they believe doesn't need to be reasonable, it doesn't need to follow the laws of physics or chemistry, and it doesn't depend on any kind of evidence. In fact, when presented with evidence that proves their belief to be nonsense, they believe even more strongly. Truly an accomplishment... Yes indeed, something to be proud of. The sad thing is that he (Maharishi) *would* actually be proud of it. He'd think of it as the triumph of faith. He'd smile and tell the story of Trotakacharya again. :-) I first came across it when attending a coherence day at the local academy (where I later lived) we were in the garden on a starry night and looking around the night sky and I was pointing out various things of interest like which planets were which and how far the nearest galaxy is when this purusha guy turned to me and said And just think it's all consciousness. What's troubling is it was said with an intimation that it was an improvement or a superior explanation to just thinking that the universe is made of energy and stuff. It worries me because scientific and religious explanations don't mix very well but the quantum crowd think they've found a way of fitting the one into the other, or at least blinding people with enough abstract concepts so they think the two things belong together. It does annoy me too because people, like John, seem genuinely interested in physics and the sort of things it explains really well and the amazing discoveries and concepts of cosmology. But with this training in vedic beliefs he gets from the TMO he
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On 10/9/2014 6:56 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: *From:* blue_bungalo...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Thursday, October 9, 2014 1:29 PM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: Are Aliens too Distant for Contact? Relax Steve, have you re-incarnated as Judy here? Some change seems to have come over you. Listen, you just can't bother about him. You will be wasting your life that way. Judy wasted hers. Jim wasted his. His intention is to provoke you. You keep falling into his trap again and again. For the record, I never placed jedi_spock on my Do Not Read list. *Most* of the time his stuff isn't worth reading, but I still give his posts a shot because there is the off chance he might say something useful. As in this post, trying to clue Steve and Jim into how obsessed they've become, and what that says about their *own* lack of intelligence and discrimination. /The discussions have to be based on the // //assumption that we are discussing matters of // //*opinion*. No one is right, no one is wrong./// From: Uncle Tantra Subject: An Orwellian redefinition of leaving Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental Date: November 22, 2003
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The stuff they believe doesn't need to be reasonable, it doesn't need to follow the laws of physics or chemistry, and it doesn't depend on any kind of evidence. In fact, when presented with evidence that proves their belief to be nonsense, they believe even more strongly. Truly an accomplishment... On 10/9/2014 8:51 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Oh, bawee, you're too humble. Let's, for just a minute, talk about your accomplishment. Let me wax, just for a moment, about all that you have achieved here at FFL and perhaps in your other life too. You have managed, single-handedly, to have repeated yourself over and over and over and over again on the same meme, using the same tone, the same words for at least as long as I've been reading here. This is no small thing - that you would find the time and the energy and the will to be able, not to mention keen, to do this day after day. It surely exceeds my ability to take it all in day after day after day. You are the man. You are the one who never tires of hearing yourself say the same thing again and again. And you are, evidently, the person who believes others are taking any of what you write time and time and time again as anything but the result of a fellow so high on himself and what he believes that he feels the rest of us have an infinite capacity to keep reading your fluff post after empty post. Congratulations. /Are you insinuating that Barry is posting redundant fluff messages to get the attention of a lurking reporter?//Maybe he is still suffering from his beat-down from Judy. Maybe he just needs someone to talk to. Anyway, thanks for trying to help him//, Ann.//We will probably never know why he went over to the other side. Go figure./ I also saw myself portrayed on the front page of newspapers as a dangerous, evil cultist because I was in their community teaching people how to meditate for free, paying for every poster I put up, every hall I rented, ever tape or CD or book I gave away myself. From: Uncle Tantra Subject: Open Letter To Willytex Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental Date: August 6, 2003
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From: blue_bungalo...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 1:56 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Are Aliens too Distant for Contact? You know Steve, it took others years to find his [Barry's]true character. Bob Price managed to find that out in just a few minutes time. Bob's so sharp, Uncle Tantra cannot face him. Uncle Tantra's criticism is designed to be offensive in a sadistic sense. And earlier: Relax Steve, have you re-incarnated as Judy here? OK, let's deal with YOUR issue, jedi_bungalow_bill. You posed the question to Steve, but isn't it JUST as applicable to you? Have YOU reincarnated as Judy? After all, wasn't it her act to try to provoke arguments, and if people didn't fall for the provocation, to then harass and stalk them and try to *taunt* them into replying to her, so she could eventually get the head-to-head argument she wanted? Well, I dealt with that by taking away from her what she really wanted -- a captive audience to yell at so she could try to (in her mind) hurt them. I just stopped bothering to read her posts. Based on her recent efforts, it may have worked...she sticks to facts and seems to have dropped the If you don't respond by giving me the argument I want I'll say nastier and nastier things about you until you do thang. Good deal, say I, and I wish her well with the new approach. Well, that's what Steve and Ann and Jim and Dan and Richard have been doing to me, too -- trying to run Judy's old routine. I won't pay any attention to them, and have in fact stopped reading their posts as well, and as far as I can tell from quotes of theirs I see in people's posts I *do* read, they've reacted by adopting Judy's old bunny boiler tactics: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzbVn9Xx3YM Why I'm bothering to spell this out is that YOU (jedi_spock, bungalow_blue_balls, or whoever you are this week) seem to be trying to run the same number. You've got your panties in a twist about me over something, and you seem to be trying to taunt me into having an argument with you so that you can get the twist out by yelling at me. Sorry...not gonna happen. *As* with Bob Price, who *several* people wrote off as a waste of time after his first abusive period here, and *as* with Dan Friedman, who others (including Judy) realized was a nut case during his first drive-by, if you keep up this trying-to-taunt-me-into-arguing-with-you routine you'll share the same fate. Life is just Too Fuckin' Short to waste it with pissants who are intent on turning everything into a battle. Allow me to spell it out for you: YOU ARE SIMPLY NOT INTERESTING ENOUGH FOR ME TO BOTHER ARGUING WITH. YOU NEVER WILL BE, NO MATTER WHAT YOU SAY ABOUT ME. Now you know. Do with this information what you will... ...oh, and have a nice day. :-)
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, blue_bungalow_2@... wrote : You know Steve, it took others years to find his true character. Bob Price managed to find that out in just a few minutes time. Bob's so sharp, Uncle Tantra cannot face him. Uncle Tantra's criticism is designed to be offensive in a sadistic sense. I figured it out after his first post back to me 2.5 years ago. He claimed he was drunk when he wrote it so this indicates to me he is not only a mean drunk but evidently just as mean sober.
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: blue_bungalow_2@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 1:56 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Are Aliens too Distant for Contact? You know Steve, it took others years to find his [Barry's] true character. Bob Price managed to find that out in just a few minutes time. Bob's so sharp, Uncle Tantra cannot face him. Uncle Tantra's criticism is designed to be offensive in a sadistic sense. And earlier: Relax Steve, have you re-incarnated as Judy here? OK, let's deal with YOUR issue, jedi_bungalow_bill. You posed the question to Steve, but isn't it JUST as applicable to you? Have YOU reincarnated as Judy? After all, wasn't it her act to try to provoke arguments, and if people didn't fall for the provocation, to then harass and stalk them and try to *taunt* them into replying to her, so she could eventually get the head-to-head argument she wanted? Well, I dealt with that by taking away from her what she really wanted -- a captive audience to yell at so she could try to (in her mind) hurt them. I just stopped bothering to read her posts. Based on her recent efforts, it may have worked...she sticks to facts and seems to have dropped the If you don't respond by giving me the argument I want I'll say nastier and nastier things about you until you do thang. Good deal, say I, and I wish her well with the new approach. Well, that's what Steve and Ann and Jim and Dan and Richard have been doing to me, too -- trying to run Judy's old routine. I won't pay any attention to them, and have in fact stopped reading their posts as well, and as far as I can tell from quotes of theirs I see in people's posts I *do* read, they've reacted by adopting Judy's old bunny boiler tactics: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzbVn9Xx3YM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzbVn9Xx3YM Why I'm bothering to spell this out is that YOU (jedi_spock, bungalow_blue_balls, or whoever you are this week) seem to be trying to run the same number. You've got your panties in a twist about me over something, and you seem to be trying to taunt me into having an argument with you so that you can get the twist out by yelling at me. Sorry...not gonna happen. *As* with Bob Price, who *several* people wrote off as a waste of time after his first abusive period here, and *as* with Dan Friedman, who others (including Judy) realized was a nut case during his first drive-by, if you keep up this trying-to-taunt-me-into-arguing-with-you routine you'll share the same fate. Life is just Too Fuckin' Short to waste it with pissants who are intent on turning everything into a battle. Allow me to spell it out for you: YOU ARE SIMPLY NOT INTERESTING ENOUGH FOR ME TO BOTHER ARGUING WITH. YOU NEVER WILL BE, NO MATTER WHAT YOU SAY ABOUT ME. Now you know. Do with this information what you will... ...oh, and have a nice day. :-) You really told him, bawee. Guess he got under your skin. Did your keyboard melt while you were typing that?
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It also really bothers him that we continually comment on him, not giving a fig for his response. He apparently like to feel embattled, and almost as a martyr, who tries his best to bring The Light to the unwashed masses. He is really quite crazy, now. About ten years ago, Barry was all about being the Coolest Cat on the block. Slowly that has receded, and now all he does is spew endless diatribes against that which he cannot have. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, blue_bungalow_2@... wrote : You know Steve, it took others years to find his true character. Bob Price managed to find that out in just a few minutes time. Bob's so sharp, Uncle Tantra cannot face him. Uncle Tantra's criticism is designed to be offensive in a sadistic sense. I figured it out after his first post back to me 2.5 years ago. He claimed he was drunk when he wrote it so this indicates to me he is not only a mean drunk but evidently just as mean sober.
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Steve, This has been Barry's MO for many years now. He thrives on controversy. This is his form of entertainment--strange as it may seem. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Sounds like one of your in your head only analysis. I believe many of the original quantum scientists speculated on a reality beyond what physical science had come up with. I guess those scientists had some ability to move past physicality in a way you are not able. Leading from behind is your tendency, I'm afraid. Safe, but boring, and in your case, a tad arrogant. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Sometimes I think that Maharishi's greatest accomplishment should be listed as having taken so many at-one-time-fairly-intelligent people and, over time, turned them into weak-minded, gullible idiots like jr_esq, Share, srijau, Lawson, and others we see from time to time here on FFL. These people will believe *anything* if 1) they're told that Maharishi or some other Seller Of Woo Woo believed in it, and 2) it makes them feel more self-important and 'special' for believing it. The stuff they believe doesn't need to be reasonable, it doesn't need to follow the laws of physics or chemistry, and it doesn't depend on any kind of evidence. In fact, when presented with evidence that proves their belief to be nonsense, they believe even more strongly. Truly an accomplishment... Yes indeed, something to be proud of. I first came across it when attending a coherence day at the local academy (where I later lived) we were in the garden on a starry night and looking around the night sky and I was pointing out various things of interest like which planets were which and how far the nearest galaxy is when this purusha guy turned to me and said And just think it's all consciousness. What's troubling is it was said with an intimation that it was an improvement or a superior explanation to just thinking that the universe is made of energy and stuff. It worries me because scientific and religious explanations don't mix very well but the quantum crowd think they've found a way of fitting the one into the other, or at least blinding people with enough abstract concepts so they think the two things belong together. It does annoy me too because people, like John, seem genuinely interested in physics and the sort of things it explains really well and the amazing discoveries and concepts of cosmology. But with this training in vedic beliefs he gets from the TMO he doesn't have a way of grading the knowledge for quality. There are only two types of explanation, good ones and bad ones. Consciousness in this context seems like a bad one because (like god) it actually explains nothing, adds nothing useful and in fact, adds a layer of complexity where it isn't needed because consciousness is a thing in this theory, a field of pure awareness and intelligence. All of these things imply a direction to creation and evolution that it doesn't seem to have. And it obviously requires another explanation beyond the equations describing quantum behaviour, and it would be an explanation along the lines of intelligence processing etc. Bit of a tall order for something we can't even measure! It's OK for John Hagelin to believe that this is the case but he shouldn't start his lectures without a major caveat to the effect that he's trying to fit what he knows of physics into an ancient belief system and that no one else agrees with him. Apart from the other yagya pedlars on the conference circuit obviously. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 8:11 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Are Aliens too Distant for Contact? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Salyavin, If you believe that the universe is based in consciousness, I don't. That's the problem, just believing stuff about the universe and hoping you can find enough things to justify beliefs you have already decided are true without any evidence is no way to go about learning what's going on. The idea that thoughts are entangled quantumly with the rest of the universe is nonsense, classical information - that which can distinguish one thing from another - cannot get entangled and therefore can't be transmitted. then our thoughts are somehow entangled in a quantum sense with the rest of the universe. So, it is possible to communicate telepathically with other sentient beings instantaneously in our galaxy or with the rest of the universe. I'm sure that if it was possible we'd be able to do it here, probably wouldn't even need this internet thingy in the way. As it is we appear separate from each other. There used to be a question similar to the following
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YOU ARE SIMPLY NOT INTERESTING ENOUGH FOR ME TO BOTHER ARGUING WITH. YOU NEVER WILL BE, NO MATTER WHAT YOU SAY ABOUT ME. On 10/9/2014 12:43 PM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: *You really told him, bawee. Guess he got under your skin. Did your keyboard melt while you were typing that? * * */HE WILL NEVER PREACH FOR THE TMO OR THE RAMA CULT AGAIN!//HE SUCKED AS A SPIRITUAL TEACHER./
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On 10/9/2014 4:10 PM, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: It also really bothers him that we continually comment on him, not giving a fig for his response. He apparently like to feel embattled, and almost as a martyr, who tries his best to bring The Light to the unwashed masses. He is really quite crazy, now. About ten years ago, Barry was all about being the Coolest Cat on the block. Slowly that has receded, and now all he does is spew endless diatribes against that which he cannot have. These days he sounds really JELLOS. Go figure. /After an exhilarating ride down the mountain on my snowboard, I reached the bottom of the slope where – much to my surprise – I found Master Fwap waiting for me. He had a huge grin on his face!/ - Surfing the Himalayas: A Spiritual Adventure, by Frederick Lenz, 1996. http://www.illicitsnowboarding.com/2009/11/notorious-snowboarder-1-dr-frederick_22.html
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Share, Barry is really still a secret follower of MMY. That's why he criticizes those who agree with MMY's ideas. Have you noticed that he doesn't talk about any of his own ideas? IOW, he's admiring MMY from afar and in a very strange way. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : turq shows what a great master Maharishi was and is. The purpose of a master is to help the students see their delusions. Maharishi has explained that fear is the last negative emotion to go. From the Gita: certainly fear is borne of duality. As long as we feel separate from the world, we will feel fear, though maybe on a deep level. And then we humans attempt to feel safe. Mainly modern people try to feel safe by having figured out life. Even turq does this. Women generally try to feel safe by feeling loved; men by being competent. It's from our cave days and hardwired into our noggins. Specialness is a subset of these. If the tribe chief loves us or if we're his right hand man, we'll get the best pieces of wooly mammouth. At any moment, even this one, we are all acting from some percentage of fullness or safety and some percentage of emptiness or fear. Hope this helps you feel safer. Meanwhile, a little colloidal silver every day (-: On Thursday, October 9, 2014 6:33 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: it makes them feel more self-important and 'special' for believing it. Now, it may come as a complete shock to you, dude, but you appear pretty damned self-important, and 'special', most of the time, pronouncing judgment on a lot of good people, for no other reason, than to forget your own truly pathetic existence. You may think this is a grand game, a pushing of buttons, but you are hardly one to point fingers. Sure, Barry, you live in Europe, but THAT IS ALL YOU DO. You might as well live in Nebraska, for all it gets you. Anyone can drink beer, watch TV, and think up inflammatory shit to write on the Internet. That doesn't make you smart, or witty, or wise. Frankly, doing absolutely nothing except stirring the pot here, makes you appear as kind of a loser, to normal people. A tragic figure, with not enough experience to stand on his own, needing to climb on others' backs, to appear taller to himself. One could refer to you as, a shoe lift of a man. Why don't you get off of here, and actually DO something? Write a book. Take the train to another country. Go on a date. Build something. Visit a museum. Such a tired old fart, doing nothing in your virtual Nebraska, except pissing in other people's pools. If you could only see it, the red would rise in your face. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Sometimes I think that Maharishi's greatest accomplishment should be listed as having taken so many at-one-time-fairly-intelligent people and, over time, turned them into weak-minded, gullible idiots like jr_esq, Share, srijau, Lawson, and others we see from time to time here on FFL. These people will believe *anything* if 1) they're told that Maharishi or some other Seller Of Woo Woo believed in it, and 2) it makes them feel more self-important and 'special' for believing it. The stuff they believe doesn't need to be reasonable, it doesn't need to follow the laws of physics or chemistry, and it doesn't depend on any kind of evidence. In fact, when presented with evidence that proves their belief to be nonsense, they believe even more strongly. Truly an accomplishment... From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 8:11 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Are Aliens too Distant for Contact? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Salyavin, If you believe that the universe is based in consciousness, I don't. That's the problem, just believing stuff about the universe and hoping you can find enough things to justify beliefs you have already decided are true without any evidence is no way to go about learning what's going on. The idea that thoughts are entangled quantumly with the rest of the universe is nonsense, classical information - that which can distinguish one thing from another - cannot get entangled and therefore can't be transmitted. then our thoughts are somehow entangled in a quantum sense with the rest of the universe. So, it is possible to communicate telepathically with other sentient beings instantaneously in our galaxy or with the rest of the universe. I'm sure that if it was possible we'd be able to do it here, probably wouldn't even need this internet thingy in the way. As it is we appear separate from each other. There used to be a question similar to the following: if a tree fell in a forest of an earth-like planet 1,000 light years away from us, would it make a sound? My answer is yes, because
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Richard, Barry wouldn't understand you're talking about him. He knows he's right all the time. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 10/9/2014 3:54 AM, salyavin808 wrote: The stuff they believe doesn't need to be reasonable, it doesn't need to follow the laws of physics or chemistry, and it doesn't depend on any kind of evidence. In fact, when presented with evidence that proves their belief to be nonsense, they believe even more strongly. Truly an accomplishment... Yes indeed, something to be proud of. Indeed. What I'm talking about is slowly lifting up off the sofa and sitting in midair for two to three minutes. Or stepping up off the ground in the desert and then flying around several feet above the ground for a while. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/143231 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/143231
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Ann, You'll have to understand that this is his form of entertainment. Now, he can go to the local pub and have a nice cold mug of beer. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: blue_bungalow_2@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 1:56 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Are Aliens too Distant for Contact? You know Steve, it took others years to find his [Barry's] true character. Bob Price managed to find that out in just a few minutes time. Bob's so sharp, Uncle Tantra cannot face him. Uncle Tantra's criticism is designed to be offensive in a sadistic sense. And earlier: Relax Steve, have you re-incarnated as Judy here? OK, let's deal with YOUR issue, jedi_bungalow_bill. You posed the question to Steve, but isn't it JUST as applicable to you? Have YOU reincarnated as Judy? After all, wasn't it her act to try to provoke arguments, and if people didn't fall for the provocation, to then harass and stalk them and try to *taunt* them into replying to her, so she could eventually get the head-to-head argument she wanted? Well, I dealt with that by taking away from her what she really wanted -- a captive audience to yell at so she could try to (in her mind) hurt them. I just stopped bothering to read her posts. Based on her recent efforts, it may have worked...she sticks to facts and seems to have dropped the If you don't respond by giving me the argument I want I'll say nastier and nastier things about you until you do thang. Good deal, say I, and I wish her well with the new approach. Well, that's what Steve and Ann and Jim and Dan and Richard have been doing to me, too -- trying to run Judy's old routine. I won't pay any attention to them, and have in fact stopped reading their posts as well, and as far as I can tell from quotes of theirs I see in people's posts I *do* read, they've reacted by adopting Judy's old bunny boiler tactics: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzbVn9Xx3YM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzbVn9Xx3YM Why I'm bothering to spell this out is that YOU (jedi_spock, bungalow_blue_balls, or whoever you are this week) seem to be trying to run the same number. You've got your panties in a twist about me over something, and you seem to be trying to taunt me into having an argument with you so that you can get the twist out by yelling at me. Sorry...not gonna happen. *As* with Bob Price, who *several* people wrote off as a waste of time after his first abusive period here, and *as* with Dan Friedman, who others (including Judy) realized was a nut case during his first drive-by, if you keep up this trying-to-taunt-me-into-arguing-with-you routine you'll share the same fate. Life is just Too Fuckin' Short to waste it with pissants who are intent on turning everything into a battle. Allow me to spell it out for you: YOU ARE SIMPLY NOT INTERESTING ENOUGH FOR ME TO BOTHER ARGUING WITH. YOU NEVER WILL BE, NO MATTER WHAT YOU SAY ABOUT ME. Now you know. Do with this information what you will... ...oh, and have a nice day. :-) You really told him, bawee. Guess he got under your skin. Did your keyboard melt while you were typing that?
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Barry, You've just shown in this post that you are a Believer of whatever it is you think is right. But you really have not proved that you are correct in your own belief. Yet, you go on criticizing others for what you think is contrary to your belief. What's your deal, dude? I think we have a good example of hypocrisy here in your taunts against those who don't agree with you. It is also possible that you are a fundamentalist parading around as a non-theist--using your own nomenclature--or whatever best describes your agenda. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Sometimes I think that Maharishi's greatest accomplishment should be listed as having taken so many at-one-time-fairly-intelligent people and, over time, turned them into weak-minded, gullible idiots like jr_esq, Share, srijau, Lawson, and others we see from time to time here on FFL. These people will believe *anything* if 1) they're told that Maharishi or some other Seller Of Woo Woo believed in it, and 2) it makes them feel more self-important and 'special' for believing it. The stuff they believe doesn't need to be reasonable, it doesn't need to follow the laws of physics or chemistry, and it doesn't depend on any kind of evidence. In fact, when presented with evidence that proves their belief to be nonsense, they believe even more strongly. Truly an accomplishment... From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 8:11 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Are Aliens too Distant for Contact? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Salyavin, If you believe that the universe is based in consciousness, I don't. That's the problem, just believing stuff about the universe and hoping you can find enough things to justify beliefs you have already decided are true without any evidence is no way to go about learning what's going on. The idea that thoughts are entangled quantumly with the rest of the universe is nonsense, classical information - that which can distinguish one thing from another - cannot get entangled and therefore can't be transmitted. then our thoughts are somehow entangled in a quantum sense with the rest of the universe. So, it is possible to communicate telepathically with other sentient beings instantaneously in our galaxy or with the rest of the universe. I'm sure that if it was possible we'd be able to do it here, probably wouldn't even need this internet thingy in the way. As it is we appear separate from each other. There used to be a question similar to the following: if a tree fell in a forest of an earth-like planet 1,000 light years away from us, would it make a sound? My answer is yes, because consciousnes is present there and everywhere else in the universe. And, somehow our own consciousness is linked--or entangled--with that universel consciousness. I think you'll find that sound is pressure waves in the atmosphere, sure it needs our consciousness to interpret what is going on but it will make whatever sound it makes whether anyone is there or not. Or whether the universe is conscious or not. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : S3, That's a good question. We may not get any message back at all since the radio waves are relatively slow in comparison to the large distances involved in the scale of the Milky Way and the entire universe. Also, the earth-like planets near us may not have any advanced civilizations like ours. Or, that their living beings are still in the microbial, plant or animal stages. My point is that, if there are any advanced human-like civilizations in the Milk Way, they would be communicating with us telepathically or through lucid dreams. For example, a few years ago, there was a psychic here on FFL who posted that he was able to communicate telepathically with another being from the Pleaides star system. I believe Rick knows the guy who also lives in Fairfield, Iowa. OK, the first problem is: why would telepathic waves travel faster than light? Or rather, how could they travel faster than light? And that's forgetting the obvious question of brains being not all that strong compared to, say, Jodrell bank radio telescope! So the send/receive function is going to be a bit limited. The other big problem is that the Pleaides system is pretty much the last place you will find life in our galaxy, a bunch of very young white-hot supergiant stars. Life of any organic type aint happening there, or anywhere close. That's typical of science, always spoiling people's fun. UFO contactees used to say they'd met beings from Venus or Mars until the harsh reality of the climate on those worlds drove their imaginary aliens away to the outer planets first and then on to more distant
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Monday, Tuesday, WTF? news flash?, we end up embroiled in a spiritual path because we think it will eliminate our dissatisfaction with life is this some kind of Xeno cognition? dude, you've been imbibing too much of that cynical kool aid. just settle down. recognize, slowly, if necessary that life is nuanced. people are motivated in different ways. let it play out, okay. no need to preach from on high. we're all grown ups here, even if you may be the eldest. (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : This is what Zen masters call 'selling water by the river'. We end up embroiled in a spiritual path because we think it will eliminate our dissatisfaction with life, but the dissatisfaction comes from the way we construe life to be. Life can indeed be horrible, and there are certain things that require courage and fortitude to get through. All that 'enlightenment' brings is the realisation that life is exactly the way it is and no other way, that it was always this way, before and during ones sojourn on 'the path', and that no other way is possible henceforth, and this eliminates seeking behaviour and a particular sort of non-object-oriented fulfilment results because the mind is not spinning its wheels over nonsense. Then you get to live the rest of your life without those pernicious ideas you acquired before and during your spiritual quest. There is still plenty to do or not do, depending on your inclination. To quote the Vedantist James Swartz: 'If you can see that the question of freedom is due to a lack understanding, you will be open to a means of self knowledge. A means of self knowledge does not actually give you self knowledge, because everyone actually does know who they are... Unfortunately, there is usually a lack of clarity about the nature of the self, which impedes the full appreciation of it. This lack of clarity manifests as ill considered beliefs and opinions, particularly the belief that the self is limited. If you expose your mind to a ... means of self knowledge, it will patiently strip away these beliefs and clarity will return. When the last vestige of ignorance is removed, you will realize that you knew who you were all along. You will find it amusing that you went through so much seeking to find out what you already knew You are not getting something you do not have; you simply realize that what you sought so frantically you had all along. Enlightenment should be cause for embarrassment, not jubilation.' The above paragraph assumes that the 'means of self knowledge' will actually work. Sometimes it seems otherwise, especially when one is around spiritual types. It seems to me that 'masters' tend not to hang out together. Fraudulent masters perhaps do not want their con exposed, and real masters, who know what the real con is, really do not have anything to talk about with each other, because there is nothing at the end of the rainbow in this business. You end up where you started, with a net loss. From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 9:28 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Are Aliens too Distant for Contact? From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Sometimes I think that Maharishi's greatest accomplishment should be listed as having taken so many at-one-time-fairly-intelligent people and, over time, turned them into weak-minded, gullible idiots like jr_esq, Share, srijau, Lawson, and others we see from time to time here on FFL. These people will believe *anything* if 1) they're told that Maharishi or some other Seller Of Woo Woo believed in it, and 2) it makes them feel more self-important and 'special' for believing it. The stuff they believe doesn't need to be reasonable, it doesn't need to follow the laws of physics or chemistry, and it doesn't depend on any kind of evidence. In fact, when presented with evidence that proves their belief to be nonsense, they believe even more strongly. Truly an accomplishment... Yes indeed, something to be proud of. The sad thing is that he (Maharishi) *would* actually be proud of it. He'd think of it as the triumph of faith. He'd smile and tell the story of Trotakacharya again. :-) I first came across it when attending a coherence day at the local academy (where I later lived) we were in the garden on a starry night and looking around the night sky and I was pointing out various things of interest like which planets were which and how far the nearest galaxy is when this purusha guy turned to me and said And just think it's all consciousness. What's troubling is it was said with an intimation that it was an improvement or a superior explanation to just thinking that the universe is made of energy
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Yow Barry. Good night! Is this your Declaration of Independence, Magna Carta, and Wuthering Height all rolled into one? Barry don't go nuclear. It wouldn't be fair. To threaten someone by putting them on your DNR list! No, Barry, no. That is too severe. Much too severe. Please reconsider. Oh, the humanity, the humanity! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: blue_bungalow_2@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 1:56 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Are Aliens too Distant for Contact? You know Steve, it took others years to find his [Barry's] true character. Bob Price managed to find that out in just a few minutes time. Bob's so sharp, Uncle Tantra cannot face him. Uncle Tantra's criticism is designed to be offensive in a sadistic sense. And earlier: Relax Steve, have you re-incarnated as Judy here? OK, let's deal with YOUR issue, jedi_bungalow_bill. You posed the question to Steve, but isn't it JUST as applicable to you? Have YOU reincarnated as Judy? After all, wasn't it her act to try to provoke arguments, and if people didn't fall for the provocation, to then harass and stalk them and try to *taunt* them into replying to her, so she could eventually get the head-to-head argument she wanted? Well, I dealt with that by taking away from her what she really wanted -- a captive audience to yell at so she could try to (in her mind) hurt them. I just stopped bothering to read her posts. Based on her recent efforts, it may have worked...she sticks to facts and seems to have dropped the If you don't respond by giving me the argument I want I'll say nastier and nastier things about you until you do thang. Good deal, say I, and I wish her well with the new approach. Well, that's what Steve and Ann and Jim and Dan and Richard have been doing to me, too -- trying to run Judy's old routine. I won't pay any attention to them, and have in fact stopped reading their posts as well, and as far as I can tell from quotes of theirs I see in people's posts I *do* read, they've reacted by adopting Judy's old bunny boiler tactics: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzbVn9Xx3YM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzbVn9Xx3YM Why I'm bothering to spell this out is that YOU (jedi_spock, bungalow_blue_balls, or whoever you are this week) seem to be trying to run the same number. You've got your panties in a twist about me over something, and you seem to be trying to taunt me into having an argument with you so that you can get the twist out by yelling at me. Sorry...not gonna happen. *As* with Bob Price, who *several* people wrote off as a waste of time after his first abusive period here, and *as* with Dan Friedman, who others (including Judy) realized was a nut case during his first drive-by, if you keep up this trying-to-taunt-me-into-arguing-with-you routine you'll share the same fate. Life is just Too Fuckin' Short to waste it with pissants who are intent on turning everything into a battle. Allow me to spell it out for you: YOU ARE SIMPLY NOT INTERESTING ENOUGH FOR ME TO BOTHER ARGUING WITH. YOU NEVER WILL BE, NO MATTER WHAT YOU SAY ABOUT ME. Now you know. Do with this information what you will... ...oh, and have a nice day. :-)
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I think what we see here, and it is rather humorous, is this martyrdom meme he's created. And then threatening someone with putting him on his DNR list. Yes, I do feel some pity. Michael, Michael, step in here. Tell him again how you were launched into ecstasy reading Road Trip. I think he needs a pick me up ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : It also really bothers him that we continually comment on him, not giving a fig for his response. He apparently like to feel embattled, and almost as a martyr, who tries his best to bring The Light to the unwashed masses. He is really quite crazy, now. About ten years ago, Barry was all about being the Coolest Cat on the block. Slowly that has receded, and now all he does is spew endless diatribes against that which he cannot have. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, blue_bungalow_2@... wrote : You know Steve, it took others years to find his true character. Bob Price managed to find that out in just a few minutes time. Bob's so sharp, Uncle Tantra cannot face him. Uncle Tantra's criticism is designed to be offensive in a sadistic sense. I figured it out after his first post back to me 2.5 years ago. He claimed he was drunk when he wrote it so this indicates to me he is not only a mean drunk but evidently just as mean sober.
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shower running in the background Barry, humming his fave Bruce Cockburn tune, steps out, notices the floor got all wet - let the fukin' roomies mop it up... Hey good lookin'... he says to the mirror, imagining him and Bruce, pals, just like him and Curtis...bros, in a rock n' roll world. He tousles his thinning hair, slaps some Stetson after-shave on his sagging jowls, pulls on his Jerry Garcia t-shirt (signed by the Dalai Lama), some jeans, and shuffles, a little hurriedly, towards that favorite bar of his, Le Petite Chausser. Sure, no one ever says a word to him, but he's got 'em convinced of his popularity on the 'Net -- a sideways glance to no one, a secret chuckle at the screen, a little too loud, perhaps an escape of laughter, as the ever convivial waitress approaches, for Barry's inevitable third drink order, and inevitable over-tip. Reading a little too much into her social nature, Barry tried once, to explain the cult addicted idiots on his laptop. She smiled, but he heard her laughing quietly, as she walked away. bitch. Oh well, at least an hour or two out of his room - ...fukin' roomies - fukin' conformist Dutch - fukin' Maharishi - fukin Steve - fukin Judy - fukin Jimbo - fukin Robin, Share, jr, Richard, Jedi, Ann, Em, Rory, Bob Price, and all the rest of those losers...Ah, at last, Fairfieldlife has loaded, I hate those fukers... - ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Yow Barry. Good night! Is this your Declaration of Independence, Magna Carta, and Wuthering Height all rolled into one? Barry don't go nuclear. It wouldn't be fair. To threaten someone by putting them on your DNR list! No, Barry, no. That is too severe. Much too severe. Please reconsider. Oh, the humanity, the humanity! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: blue_bungalow_2@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 1:56 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Are Aliens too Distant for Contact? You know Steve, it took others years to find his [Barry's] true character. Bob Price managed to find that out in just a few minutes time. Bob's so sharp, Uncle Tantra cannot face him. Uncle Tantra's criticism is designed to be offensive in a sadistic sense. And earlier: Relax Steve, have you re-incarnated as Judy here? OK, let's deal with YOUR issue, jedi_bungalow_bill. You posed the question to Steve, but isn't it JUST as applicable to you? Have YOU reincarnated as Judy? After all, wasn't it her act to try to provoke arguments, and if people didn't fall for the provocation, to then harass and stalk them and try to *taunt* them into replying to her, so she could eventually get the head-to-head argument she wanted? Well, I dealt with that by taking away from her what she really wanted -- a captive audience to yell at so she could try to (in her mind) hurt them. I just stopped bothering to read her posts. Based on her recent efforts, it may have worked...she sticks to facts and seems to have dropped the If you don't respond by giving me the argument I want I'll say nastier and nastier things about you until you do thang. Good deal, say I, and I wish her well with the new approach. Well, that's what Steve and Ann and Jim and Dan and Richard have been doing to me, too -- trying to run Judy's old routine. I won't pay any attention to them, and have in fact stopped reading their posts as well, and as far as I can tell from quotes of theirs I see in people's posts I *do* read, they've reacted by adopting Judy's old bunny boiler tactics: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzbVn9Xx3YM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzbVn9Xx3YM Why I'm bothering to spell this out is that YOU (jedi_spock, bungalow_blue_balls, or whoever you are this week) seem to be trying to run the same number. You've got your panties in a twist about me over something, and you seem to be trying to taunt me into having an argument with you so that you can get the twist out by yelling at me. Sorry...not gonna happen. *As* with Bob Price, who *several* people wrote off as a waste of time after his first abusive period here, and *as* with Dan Friedman, who others (including Judy) realized was a nut case during his first drive-by, if you keep up this trying-to-taunt-me-into-arguing-with-you routine you'll share the same fate. Life is just Too Fuckin' Short to waste it with pissants who are intent on turning everything into a battle. Allow me to spell it out for you: YOU ARE SIMPLY NOT INTERESTING ENOUGH FOR ME TO BOTHER ARGUING WITH. YOU NEVER WILL BE, NO MATTER WHAT YOU SAY ABOUT ME. Now you know. Do with this information what you will... ...oh, and have a nice day. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Are Aliens too Distant for Contact?
--- jr_esq@... wrote : Yes, probably so, if the means of communication is through light or radio waves. As such, the speed of communication is limited by the speed of light. But it is theoretically possible to contact ETs through telepathic means or lucid dreaming. Why? Because consciousness pervades the entire universe. So, communication through consciousness is faster than the speed of light. IMO, the Srimad Bhagavatam has given us clues of this type of communication in the story relating to Urvasi, the heavenly apsara. She supposedly can be found taking a bath in the region near the Pleiades, which is placed in beginning degrees of Taurus. From my experience, everyone--perhaps, more so for males--can see Urvasi through lucid dreaming when the Moon is transiting the 3rd quarter of Krittika nakshatra. She appears as a beautiful female during a dream. Sorry to disappoint you, but the story of Urvasi is just a myth. These kind of myths exist in all cultures in history. What makes you take these stories literally? I know, Maharishi probably does. He is a goofball, and the original one, as far as the TM mov't is concerned. Yes, western religions are literalist, but not the eastern ones, with the exception of Hare Krishna mov't.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Are Aliens too Distant for Contact?
S3, That's a good question. We may not get any message back at all since the radio waves are relatively slow in comparison to the large distances involved in the scale of the Milky Way and the entire universe. Also, the earth-like planets near us may not have any advanced civilizations like ours. Or, that their living beings are still in the microbial, plant or animal stages. My point is that, if there are any advanced human-like civilizations in the Milk Way, they would be communicating with us telepathically or through lucid dreams. For example, a few years ago, there was a psychic here on FFL who posted that he was able to communicate telepathically with another being from the Pleaides star system. I believe Rick knows the guy who also lives in Fairfield, Iowa. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Yes, probably so, if the means of communication is through light or radio waves. I enjoyed that moment in the movie Contact where the first TV signal that aliens would have received from Earth was Hitler's speech at the 1936 Olympics. The idea has since been dismissed by scientists as it seems that the transmission signal was very low powered so is unlikely to be picked out amongst all the background radiation in space. But what will their first Earth TV signal be? I Love Lucy? Baywatch? American Idol? Perhaps the best hope is that it's some global warming/ecological doom-laden documentary so that the aliens conclude it's not worth wasting time invading our dying planet. As such, the speed of communication is limited by the speed of light. But it is theoretically possible to contact ETs through telepathic means or lucid dreaming. Why? Because consciousness pervades the entire universe. So, communication through consciousness is faster than the speed of light. IMO, the Srimad Bhagavatam has given us clues of this type of communication in the story relating to Urvasi, the heavenly apsara. She supposedly can be found taking a bath in the region near the Pleiades, which is placed in beginning degrees of Taurus. From my experience, everyone--perhaps, more so for males--can see Urvasi through lucid dreaming when the Moon is transiting the 3rd quarter of Krittika nakshatra. She appears as a beautiful female during a dream.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Are Aliens too Distant for Contact?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : S3, That's a good question. We may not get any message back at all since the radio waves are relatively slow in comparison to the large distances involved in the scale of the Milky Way and the entire universe. Also, the earth-like planets near us may not have any advanced civilizations like ours. Or, that their living beings are still in the microbial, plant or animal stages. My point is that, if there are any advanced human-like civilizations in the Milk Way, they would be communicating with us telepathically or through lucid dreams. For example, a few years ago, there was a psychic here on FFL who posted that he was able to communicate telepathically with another being from the Pleaides star system. I believe Rick knows the guy who also lives in Fairfield, Iowa. OK, the first problem is: why would telepathic waves travel faster than light? Or rather, how could they travel faster than light? And that's forgetting the obvious question of brains being not all that strong compared to, say, Jodrell bank radio telescope! So the send/receive function is going to be a bit limited. The other big problem is that the Pleaides system is pretty much the last place you will find life in our galaxy, a bunch of very young white-hot supergiant stars. Life of any organic type aint happening there, or anywhere close. That's typical of science, always spoiling people's fun. UFO contactees used to say they'd met beings from Venus or Mars until the harsh reality of the climate on those worlds drove their imaginary aliens away to the outer planets first and then on to more distant star systems. Not sure why the Pleaides got chosen as a home for the Space Brothers. They do look nice though, especially through a telescope as you can still see the blue nebulae that the stars formed out of. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Yes, probably so, if the means of communication is through light or radio waves. I enjoyed that moment in the movie Contact where the first TV signal that aliens would have received from Earth was Hitler's speech at the 1936 Olympics. The idea has since been dismissed by scientists as it seems that the transmission signal was very low powered so is unlikely to be picked out amongst all the background radiation in space. But what will their first Earth TV signal be? I Love Lucy? Baywatch? American Idol? Perhaps the best hope is that it's some global warming/ecological doom-laden documentary so that the aliens conclude it's not worth wasting time invading our dying planet. As such, the speed of communication is limited by the speed of light. But it is theoretically possible to contact ETs through telepathic means or lucid dreaming. Why? Because consciousness pervades the entire universe. So, communication through consciousness is faster than the speed of light. IMO, the Srimad Bhagavatam has given us clues of this type of communication in the story relating to Urvasi, the heavenly apsara. She supposedly can be found taking a bath in the region near the Pleiades, which is placed in beginning degrees of Taurus. From my experience, everyone--perhaps, more so for males--can see Urvasi through lucid dreaming when the Moon is transiting the 3rd quarter of Krittika nakshatra. She appears as a beautiful female during a dream.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Are Aliens too Distant for Contact?
Blueb2, The Urvasi story can be interpreted in many ways. The late Srila Prabhupada of ISKCON fame stated, in his commentary to the Srimad Bhagavatam, that this story was about in-vitro fertilization. Why? Because the story involved two rishis who saw Urvasi taking her bath by the river. Because of her beauty, they were smitten with lust. However, they decided that that they would ejaculate their semen on a clay pot. From this pot, a baby grew who was named Vashistha, a very strong and wise man from the Hindu mythology. My interpretation of the story is slightly different. The story is actually about the timing of procreating a very healthy and famous baby. Urvasi represents the passage or transit of the Moon on the third pada of the Krittika nakshatra. In jyotish, the sound syllable U in Urvasi represents the third pada of Krittika. The two rishis represent the placement or transit of the Sun in the rashi of Kumbha, represented by a clay pot, and the navamsha of Scorpio. During this time period, the man should spill his seed onto the womb of his wife. For your own verification, you should witness your dreams on the night when the Moon is transiting the third pada of Krittika. You might be able to see Urvasi in a form of a beautiful woman. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : --- jr_esq@... wrote : Yes, probably so, if the means of communication is through light or radio waves. As such, the speed of communication is limited by the speed of light. But it is theoretically possible to contact ETs through telepathic means or lucid dreaming. Why? Because consciousness pervades the entire universe. So, communication through consciousness is faster than the speed of light. IMO, the Srimad Bhagavatam has given us clues of this type of communication in the story relating to Urvasi, the heavenly apsara. She supposedly can be found taking a bath in the region near the Pleiades, which is placed in beginning degrees of Taurus. From my experience, everyone--perhaps, more so for males--can see Urvasi through lucid dreaming when the Moon is transiting the 3rd quarter of Krittika nakshatra. She appears as a beautiful female during a dream. Sorry to disappoint you, but the story of Urvasi is just a myth. These kind of myths exist in all cultures in history. What makes you take these stories literally? I know, Maharishi probably does. He is a goofball, and the original one, as far as the TM mov't is concerned. Yes, western religions are literalist, but not the eastern ones, with the exception of Hare Krishna mov't.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Are Aliens too Distant for Contact?
The speed of light problem is solvable if The Absolute is God. The mechanics: a person on Earth, being perfectly enlightened, (not merely in CC,) deconstructs his/her body/mind system with a final thought/prayer to indicate to the Absolute what is relatively intended. Then that person goes poofjust as Jim Kirk does in the transporter.Jim is DEAD. And, since the perfection of the enlightened person includes never wanting something that won't be granted, BAM there's that person now manifest on another planet INSTANTLY -- as fast as a human mind can go FROM ONE THOUGHT TO THE NEXT THOUGHT. That's the speed of humanness...faster than light, eh? Courtesy of The Absolute's wanting what the enlightened traveler wanted even when the desire BROKE EVERY RULE OF PHYSICS. Physicality is a crock. You can only do so much with that clay. Fine dishware is about it. Maybe, okay yeah, clay Frizbees can be imagined, but EVEN A MANIFEST GOD CAN'T THROW ONE FASTER THAN THE SPEED OF LIGHT.unless, of course, Absolute God wants to, but that's another story. And the nearest star system is 25 trillion miles away.four years travel minimum by any slower than light speed ship. Worm holes are a Type II Civilization tech, probably, so no one born in the next 200 years will ever set foot outside the solar system via physics. And maybe ya gotta die at one end of that worm hole before you can exit the other end...just like the Star Trek transporter system. Just sayin'.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Are Aliens too Distant for Contact?
Edg, I'm somewhat thinking along the same line that you're pointing out here. For example, if the universe is based on consciousness, then our thoughts are instantaneously connected with the rest of the universe. IOW, our thoughts are entangled in a quantum sense with the rest of the universe. As such, we can theoretically see and hear instantaneously everything that occurs in any earth-like planets anywhere in our galaxy. This includes communicating telepathically with any sentient beings living in those planets. As a matter of fact, there's a story in the Srimad Bhagavatam that suggests human beings can even travel to any worlds instantaneously through consciousness alone. A teacher by the name of Narada was able to do this eons of years ago. As such, he was able to have disciples from various worlds in the universe. IMO, this concept is the next possible development in modern physics. If scientists in the future can tap into the power of the unified field, then humans or the future gods can go anywhere and anytime in the universe for exploration and for assisting other sentient beings to develop their consciousness. However, many scientists do not believe in the existence of the unified field. So, the work at CERN will more likely continue and some new discoveries in physics could be made which relate to the existence of superstrings and harnessing its power for tangible results in the manifest world. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : The speed of light problem is solvable if The Absolute is God. The mechanics: a person on Earth, being perfectly enlightened, (not merely in CC,) deconstructs his/her body/mind system with a final thought/prayer to indicate to the Absolute what is relatively intended. Then that person goes poofjust as Jim Kirk does in the transporter.Jim is DEAD. And, since the perfection of the enlightened person includes never wanting something that won't be granted, BAM there's that person now manifest on another planet INSTANTLY -- as fast as a human mind can go FROM ONE THOUGHT TO THE NEXT THOUGHT. That's the speed of humanness...faster than light, eh? Courtesy of The Absolute's wanting what the enlightened traveler wanted even when the desire BROKE EVERY RULE OF PHYSICS. Physicality is a crock. You can only do so much with that clay. Fine dishware is about it. Maybe, okay yeah, clay Frizbees can be imagined, but EVEN A MANIFEST GOD CAN'T THROW ONE FASTER THAN THE SPEED OF LIGHT.unless, of course, Absolute God wants to, but that's another story. And the nearest star system is 25 trillion miles away.four years travel minimum by any slower than light speed ship. Worm holes are a Type II Civilization tech, probably, so no one born in the next 200 years will ever set foot outside the solar system via physics. And maybe ya gotta die at one end of that worm hole before you can exit the other end...just like the Star Trek transporter system. Just sayin'.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Are Aliens too Distant for Contact?
This discussion pretty much covers the next space travel options. Interstellar Flight: Risks and Assumptions http://www.centauri-dreams.org/?p=31706 http://www.centauri-dreams.org/?p=31706 Interstellar Flight: Risks and Assumptions http://www.centauri-dreams.org/?p=31706 The interstellar mission that Dana Andrews describes in his recent paper — discussed here over the past two posts — intrigues me because I’m often asked ... View on www.centauri-dreams... http://www.centauri-dreams.org/?p=31706 Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Re: Are Aliens too Distant for Contact?
Salyavin, If you believe that the universe is based in consciousness, then our thoughts are somehow entangled in a quantum sense with the rest of the universe. So, it is possible to communicate telepathically with other sentient beings instantaneously in our galaxy or with the rest of the universe. There used to be a question similar to the following: if a tree fell in a forest of an earth-like planet 1,000 light years away from us, would it make a sound? My answer is yes, because consciousnes is present there and everywhere else in the universe. And, somehow our own consciousness is linked--or entangled--with that universel consciousness. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : S3, That's a good question. We may not get any message back at all since the radio waves are relatively slow in comparison to the large distances involved in the scale of the Milky Way and the entire universe. Also, the earth-like planets near us may not have any advanced civilizations like ours. Or, that their living beings are still in the microbial, plant or animal stages. My point is that, if there are any advanced human-like civilizations in the Milk Way, they would be communicating with us telepathically or through lucid dreams. For example, a few years ago, there was a psychic here on FFL who posted that he was able to communicate telepathically with another being from the Pleaides star system. I believe Rick knows the guy who also lives in Fairfield, Iowa. OK, the first problem is: why would telepathic waves travel faster than light? Or rather, how could they travel faster than light? And that's forgetting the obvious question of brains being not all that strong compared to, say, Jodrell bank radio telescope! So the send/receive function is going to be a bit limited. The other big problem is that the Pleaides system is pretty much the last place you will find life in our galaxy, a bunch of very young white-hot supergiant stars. Life of any organic type aint happening there, or anywhere close. That's typical of science, always spoiling people's fun. UFO contactees used to say they'd met beings from Venus or Mars until the harsh reality of the climate on those worlds drove their imaginary aliens away to the outer planets first and then on to more distant star systems. Not sure why the Pleaides got chosen as a home for the Space Brothers. They do look nice though, especially through a telescope as you can still see the blue nebulae that the stars formed out of. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Yes, probably so, if the means of communication is through light or radio waves. I enjoyed that moment in the movie Contact where the first TV signal that aliens would have received from Earth was Hitler's speech at the 1936 Olympics. The idea has since been dismissed by scientists as it seems that the transmission signal was very low powered so is unlikely to be picked out amongst all the background radiation in space. But what will their first Earth TV signal be? I Love Lucy? Baywatch? American Idol? Perhaps the best hope is that it's some global warming/ecological doom-laden documentary so that the aliens conclude it's not worth wasting time invading our dying planet. As such, the speed of communication is limited by the speed of light. But it is theoretically possible to contact ETs through telepathic means or lucid dreaming. Why? Because consciousness pervades the entire universe. So, communication through consciousness is faster than the speed of light. IMO, the Srimad Bhagavatam has given us clues of this type of communication in the story relating to Urvasi, the heavenly apsara. She supposedly can be found taking a bath in the region near the Pleiades, which is placed in beginning degrees of Taurus. From my experience, everyone--perhaps, more so for males--can see Urvasi through lucid dreaming when the Moon is transiting the 3rd quarter of Krittika nakshatra. She appears as a beautiful female during a dream.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Are Aliens too Distant for Contact?
At the speed of light, any Martians, for example, are four minutes away. Nuke a dinner in the microwave - by the time it is done, you got Martians, door to door. That quick. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Yes, probably so, if the means of communication is through light or radio waves. As such, the speed of communication is limited by the speed of light. But it is theoretically possible to contact ETs through telepathic means or lucid dreaming. Why? Because consciousness pervades the entire universe. So, communication through consciousness is faster than the speed of light. IMO, the Srimad Bhagavatam has given us clues of this type of communication in the story relating to Urvasi, the heavenly apsara. She supposedly can be found taking a bath in the region near the Pleiades, which is placed in beginning degrees of Taurus. From my experience, everyone--perhaps, more so for males--can see Urvasi through lucid dreaming when the Moon is transiting the 3rd quarter of Krittika nakshatra. She appears as a beautiful female during a dream.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Are Aliens too Distant for Contact?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Yes, probably so, if the means of communication is through light or radio waves. I enjoyed that moment in the movie Contact where the first TV signal that aliens would have received from Earth was Hitler's speech at the 1936 Olympics. The idea has since been dismissed by scientists as it seems that the transmission signal was very low powered so is unlikely to be picked out amongst all the background radiation in space. But what will their first Earth TV signal be? I Love Lucy? Baywatch? American Idol? Perhaps the best hope is that it's some global warming/ecological doom-laden documentary so that the aliens conclude it's not worth wasting time invading our dying planet. As such, the speed of communication is limited by the speed of light. But it is theoretically possible to contact ETs through telepathic means or lucid dreaming. Why? Because consciousness pervades the entire universe. So, communication through consciousness is faster than the speed of light. IMO, the Srimad Bhagavatam has given us clues of this type of communication in the story relating to Urvasi, the heavenly apsara. She supposedly can be found taking a bath in the region near the Pleiades, which is placed in beginning degrees of Taurus. From my experience, everyone--perhaps, more so for males--can see Urvasi through lucid dreaming when the Moon is transiting the 3rd quarter of Krittika nakshatra. She appears as a beautiful female during a dream.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Are Aliens too Distant for Contact?
According to King Tony, the planets are part of our physiology which are located in our brain. MMY mentioned that the planets are the impulses of intelligence. As such, a part of us has a Martian quality. So, depending on the situation, the Martian impulse becomes more prominent in our mind and physiology--such as playing in a competitive sport, or running to exercise the body. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : At the speed of light, any Martians, for example, are four minutes away. Nuke a dinner in the microwave - by the time it is done, you got Martians, door to door. That quick. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Yes, probably so, if the means of communication is through light or radio waves. As such, the speed of communication is limited by the speed of light. But it is theoretically possible to contact ETs through telepathic means or lucid dreaming. Why? Because consciousness pervades the entire universe. So, communication through consciousness is faster than the speed of light. IMO, the Srimad Bhagavatam has given us clues of this type of communication in the story relating to Urvasi, the heavenly apsara. She supposedly can be found taking a bath in the region near the Pleiades, which is placed in beginning degrees of Taurus. From my experience, everyone--perhaps, more so for males--can see Urvasi through lucid dreaming when the Moon is transiting the 3rd quarter of Krittika nakshatra. She appears as a beautiful female during a dream.
