[FairfieldLife] Re: Art from the beginning of History

2014-10-13 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

 

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 Painted caves challenge art origins 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-29415716

 
 
 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-29415716
 
 Painted caves challenge art origins 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-29415716 The discovery of 
40,000-year-old artworks in Indonesian caves challenges established views on 
the origins of humans' artistic capabilities.


 
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 Very cool. And also, every hand outlined was a left hand indicating the artist 
was right handed or, if there were more than one hand depicted, many of the 
artists were right handed. Some things don't change.




[FairfieldLife] Re: Art from the beginning of History

2014-10-13 Thread salyavin808

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 Painted caves challenge art origins 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-29415716

 
 
 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-29415716
 
 Painted caves challenge art origins 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-29415716 The discovery of 
40,000-year-old artworks in Indonesian caves challenges established views on 
the origins of humans' artistic capabilities.


 
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 Very cool. And also, every hand outlined was a left hand indicating the artist 
was right handed or, if there were more than one hand depicted, many of the 
artists were right handed. Some things don't change.
 

 Well spotted, I wonder when that arose in humanity, and why?
 

 Ice age art is my favourite thing, I went to a show at the British Museum 
called The arrival of the modern mind because all the works there showed that 
our distant ancestors had the same capacity for mental abstraction, metaphor 
and representation. It's like the complexity of modern art appeared fully 
formed one day and we just set about painting.
 

 I posted this the other day, it really is well worth a look if you like this 
sort of thing:
 

 Cave_of_forgotten_dreams http://vimeo.com/32371643

 
 
 http://vimeo.com/32371643 
 
 Cave_of_forgotten_dreams http://vimeo.com/32371643 Prepare to be shocked. 
30,000 years old art.
 
 
 
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 There are odd things here though, the fact the cave was in use for 20,000 
years makes me wonder why there are so few pictures on the walls, in one place 
you see a row of galloping horses and some of them were painted many thousands 
of years apart. That's like the people who built Stonehenge putting the stones 
up and leaving it for all that time and then me going along and finishing it 
yesterday. Why did they go in so infrequently? They obviously didn't live in 
the cave, did so many generations really pass before another painting was done? 
So many questions, and we can only guess at the answers.
 







[FairfieldLife] Re: Art from the beginning of History

2014-10-13 Thread seerd...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Nice article. 

 20,000 years ago at the peak of the last ice age, sea levels were 120 meters 
lower than today. 
 

 Sea level was 400 feet lower then because huge ice caps two miles deep 
covered most of Europe and North America. But as the ice caps began to melt all 
the water stored in them returned to the oceans and sea-level rose, submerging 
many parts of the world where humans had previously lived. Thus Britain was 
joined to Europe during the Ice Age (there was no English Channel or North 
Sea). Likewise there was no Red Sea, no Persian Gulf, Sri Lanka was joined to 
southern India, Siberia was joined to Alaska, Australia was joined to New 
Guinea - and so on and so forth. It was during this epoch of sea-level rise, 
sometimes slow and continuous, sometimes rapid and cataclysmic, that the Ice 
Age continent of Sundaland was submerged with only the Malaysian Peninsula and 
the Indonesian islands as we know them today high enough to remain above water.

 

 

 The following map of 20,000 years ago shows Indonesia as part of the Asian 
mainland and almost Asia -- as well as significant continental land connections.
 

 And this provides insight as to why virtually all cultures have a Great Flood 
mythology / traditions. 
 

 Coasts and rivers are often the hubs of civilizations and progress. How many 
civilizations and cultures for which we have no clue may have perished without 
a sign during the numerous dramatic rises and falls of oceans in the past 
100,000-200,000 years since homo sapiens emerged?
 

 

 

 

 

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 Sundaland (also called the Sundaic region) is a biogeographical 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biogeographyregion of Southeastern Asia 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southeast_Asia which encompasses the Sunda shelf 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunda_shelf, the part of the Asian 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asia continental shelf that was exposed during the 
last ice age. The last glacial period, popularly known as the Ice Age, was the 
most recent glacial period within the current ice age occurring during the last 
years of the Pleistocene, from approximately 110,000 to 12,000 years ago. It 
included the Malay Peninsula http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malay_Peninsula on 
the Asian mainland, as well as the large islands ofBorneo 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borneo, Java 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Java_(island), and Sumatra 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sumatra and their surrounding islands. The eastern 
boundary of Sundaland is the Wallace Line 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wallace_Line, identified byAlfred Russel Wallace 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_Russel_Wallace as the eastern boundary of 
the range of Asia's land mammal http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mammal fauna, and 
thus the boundary of theIndomalaya http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indomalaya and 
Australasia ecozones http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australasia_ecozone. The 
islands east of the Wallace line are known as Wallacea 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wallacea, and are considered part of Australasia.

 

 Sundaland - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sundaland 
 
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sundaland 
 
 Sundaland - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sundaland Sundaland (also called the Sundaic 
region) is a biogeographical region of Southeastern Asia which encompasses the 
Sunda shelf, the part of the Asian co...
 
 
 
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 Some dating for the Gunung Padang Megalithic Site in the Sundaland region 
place it at 16,000 years old. 
 Java http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Java Province of Indonesia 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indonesia, 50 km southwest of the city of Cianjur 
or 6 kilometers from Lampegan station. It is the largest megalithic site in all 
of Southeastern Asia. The survey believes that Gunung Padang is built in 4 
different eras.[1] 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gunung_Padang_Megalithic_Site#cite_note-1
 Located at 885 metres above sea level, the site covers a hill in a series of 
terraces bordered by retaining walls of stone that are accessed by about 400 
successive andesite http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andesite steps rising about 95 
metres. It is covered with massive rectangular stones of volcanic origin. The 
Sundanese people 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Art from the beginning of History

2014-10-13 Thread salyavin808



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seerdope@... wrote :

 Nice article. 

 20,000 years ago at the peak of the last ice age, sea levels were 120 meters 
lower than today. 
 

 Sea level was 400 feet lower then because huge ice caps two miles deep 
covered most of Europe and North America. But as the ice caps began to melt all 
the water stored in them returned to the oceans and sea-level rose, submerging 
many parts of the world where humans had previously lived. Thus Britain was 
joined to Europe during the Ice Age (there was no English Channel or North 
Sea). Likewise there was no Red Sea, no Persian Gulf, Sri Lanka was joined to 
southern India, Siberia was joined to Alaska, Australia was joined to New 
Guinea - and so on and so forth. It was during this epoch of sea-level rise, 
sometimes slow and continuous, sometimes rapid and cataclysmic, that the Ice 
Age continent of Sundaland was submerged with only the Malaysian Peninsula and 
the Indonesian islands as we know them today high enough to remain above water.

 

 

 The following map of 20,000 years ago shows Indonesia as part of the Asian 
mainland and almost Asia -- as well as significant continental land connections.
 

 And this provides insight as to why virtually all cultures have a Great Flood 
mythology / traditions. 
 

 Coasts and rivers are often the hubs of civilizations and progress. How many 
civilizations and cultures for which we have no clue may have perished without 
a sign during the numerous dramatic rises and falls of oceans in the past 
100,000-200,000 years since homo sapiens emerged?
 

 I can't see why people living near the coast would have a more advanced 
culture than any of those living inland, not without the inlanders copying and 
trading with coastal folk. But there are no signs of advanced culture inland so 
it's reasonable to suppose that the disparate groups of humans really did 
evolve as they appear to have done and not with major civilisations that we 
don't know about.
 

 I suspect on this time scale the people would have just moved away from the 
rising seas and in a single generation would not have noticed them moving at 
all. We may have lost some nice cave paintings but I doubt there is an Atlantis 
awaiting discovery.
 

 

 

 Earth Elevation Data Now Available 
http://blog.planetos.com/noaa-etopo1-global-relief-earth-elevation/ 
 
 http://blog.planetos.com/noaa-etopo1-global-relief-earth-elevation/ 
 
 Earth Elevation Data Now Available 
http://blog.planetos.com/noaa-etopo1-global-relief-earth-elevation/ 
Marinexplore now provides elevation data at 1 arc-minute global relief model of 
Earth s surface from ETOPO1, integrating land topography and ocean bathymetry 
from ...
 
 
 
 View on blog.planetos.com 
http://blog.planetos.com/noaa-etopo1-global-relief-earth-elevation/ 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 
 
  


 

 

 

 

 

 

 Sundaland (also called the Sundaic region) is a biogeographical 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biogeographyregion of Southeastern Asia 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southeast_Asia which encompasses the Sunda shelf 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunda_shelf, the part of the Asian 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asia continental shelf that was exposed during the 
last ice age. The last glacial period, popularly known as the Ice Age, was the 
most recent glacial period within the current ice age occurring during the last 
years of the Pleistocene, from approximately 110,000 to 12,000 years ago. It 
included the Malay Peninsula http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malay_Peninsula on 
the Asian mainland, as well as the large islands ofBorneo 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borneo, Java 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Java_(island), and Sumatra 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sumatra and their surrounding islands. The eastern 
boundary of Sundaland is the Wallace Line 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wallace_Line, identified byAlfred Russel Wallace 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_Russel_Wallace as the eastern boundary of 
the range of Asia's land mammal http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mammal fauna, and 
thus the boundary of theIndomalaya http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indomalaya and 
Australasia ecozones http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australasia_ecozone. The 
islands east of the Wallace line are known as Wallacea 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wallacea, and are considered part of Australasia.

 

 Sundaland - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sundaland 
 
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sundaland 
 
 Sundaland - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sundaland Sundaland (also called the Sundaic 
region) is a biogeographical region of Southeastern Asia which encompasses the 
Sunda shelf, the part of the Asian co...
 
 
 
 View on en.wikipedia.org http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sundaland 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 
 
  


 

 Some dating for the Gunung Padang Megalithic Site in the Sundaland region 
place it at 16,000 years old. 
 Java 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Art from the beginning of History

2014-10-13 Thread seerd...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Sal I suspect on this time scale the people would have just moved away from 
the rising seas and in a single generation would not have noticed them moving 
at all. We may have lost some nice cave paintings but I doubt there is an 
Atlantis awaiting discovery.

 

 Mass migration, even today is not a walk in the park. 25% or possible more of 
Bangladesh may be lost by 2100. Will neighboring countries  welcome all the 
refugees with open arms? Countless refugee camps now and in past years 
demonstrate the difficulty of relocation. 
 

 And with temperature, climate patterns and sea level changes, massive changes 
presumably occurred to flora and fauna significantly disrupting the economic 
foundations and social fabric of migrating societies. 
 

 And cultures advance in many directions. An advanced culture might look little 
like the high tech image portrayed by Atlantas fans. 
 

 We have lost massive amounts of knowledge of past cultures and civilizations  
(Greek, Egyptian for example) that at least remain intact geographically.