[FairfieldLife] Re: Birth Charts and C-sections
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... no_reply@... wrote: I am curious what the people interested in astrology have heard about this. The reason being is that my daughter was born via C-section, and so the time of her birth was essentially chosen by me, according to when I could get away from work. The doctor told us when she was ready to be born, and I set the time at 11 AM that day, due to strictly practical considerations. There was enough of a window there, though, that I could have manipulated her Ascendant, had I wanted to (turned out to be Scorpio). Not an expert, but I've read many times that the astrological time of birth is when the infant takes its first breath--so outside interference shouldn't make any difference. That's Western astrology--don't know if Jyotish views it differently.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Birth Charts and C-sections
OK - I can go with that assumption, but the tricky bit comes in, if I decide to manipulate the time of birth, changing the ascendant, and all of the ways it affects personality. Doesn't seem it would be possible, since my daughter would have the same tendencies regardless of when she was surgically removed from the womb. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: I am curious what the people interested in astrology have heard about this. The reason being is that my daughter was born via C-section, and so the time of her birth was essentially chosen by me, according to when I could get away from work. The doctor told us when she was ready to be born, and I set the time at 11 AM that day, due to strictly practical considerations. There was enough of a window there, though, that I could have manipulated her Ascendant, had I wanted to (turned out to be Scorpio). Not an expert, but I've read many times that the astrological time of birth is when the infant takes its first breath--so outside interference shouldn't make any difference. That's Western astrology--don't know if Jyotish views it differently.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Birth Charts and C-sections
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... no_reply@... wrote: OK - I can go with that assumption, but the tricky bit comes in, if I decide to manipulate the time of birth, changing the ascendant, and all of the ways it affects personality. Doesn't seem it would be possible, since my daughter would have the same tendencies regardless of when she was surgically removed from the womb. Well, you get into free will vs. determinism, family karma, and so on here. IOW, if her tendencies were Scorpio to start with in utero, you'd have manipulated her right into the appropriate birth time. Presumably your choice of the time of surgery was all according to the cosmic plan. It's not just tricky, it's unfathomable. So relax! Does she not seem to you like a Scorpio ascendant personality? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: I am curious what the people interested in astrology have heard about this. The reason being is that my daughter was born via C-section, and so the time of her birth was essentially chosen by me, according to when I could get away from work. The doctor told us when she was ready to be born, and I set the time at 11 AM that day, due to strictly practical considerations. There was enough of a window there, though, that I could have manipulated her Ascendant, had I wanted to (turned out to be Scorpio). Not an expert, but I've read many times that the astrological time of birth is when the infant takes its first breath--so outside interference shouldn't make any difference. That's Western astrology--don't know if Jyotish views it differently.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Birth Charts and C-sections
She is the very essence of a scorpio ascendant...Yeah, not sweating it, but seems like medical science allows birth charts to be manipulated. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: OK - I can go with that assumption, but the tricky bit comes in, if I decide to manipulate the time of birth, changing the ascendant, and all of the ways it affects personality. Doesn't seem it would be possible, since my daughter would have the same tendencies regardless of when she was surgically removed from the womb. Well, you get into free will vs. determinism, family karma, and so on here. IOW, if her tendencies were Scorpio to start with in utero, you'd have manipulated her right into the appropriate birth time. Presumably your choice of the time of surgery was all according to the cosmic plan. It's not just tricky, it's unfathomable. So relax! Does she not seem to you like a Scorpio ascendant personality? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: I am curious what the people interested in astrology have heard about this. The reason being is that my daughter was born via C-section, and so the time of her birth was essentially chosen by me, according to when I could get away from work. The doctor told us when she was ready to be born, and I set the time at 11 AM that day, due to strictly practical considerations. There was enough of a window there, though, that I could have manipulated her Ascendant, had I wanted to (turned out to be Scorpio). Not an expert, but I've read many times that the astrological time of birth is when the infant takes its first breath--so outside interference shouldn't make any difference. That's Western astrology--don't know if Jyotish views it differently.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Birth Charts and C-sections
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: On 06/09/2013 11:01 AM, doctordumbass@... wrote: I am curious what the people interested in astrology have heard about this. The reason being is that my daughter was born via C-section, and so the time of her birth was essentially chosen by me, according to when I could get away from work. The doctor told us when she was ready to be born, and I set the time at 11 AM that day, due to strictly practical considerations. There was enough of a window there, though, that I could have manipulated her Ascendant, had I wanted to (turned out to be Scorpio). Scorpio is good for a Taurus parent. I've seen many charts of parents and children who have opposition in ascendants. And then there are the connections almost spooky between relatives. Every one of my great nieces and nephews connect with my chart as well as between their cousins. And I'm talking small 1 or 2 degree orb aspects and conjunctions. Basically the nay-sayers don't like the idea of predetermination and they are probably per-determined to think that way. In fact for personal psychology I recommend believing in free will though it may not exist at all. How this all works is probably beyond the scope of our current science. Science is the belief in the ignorance of experts. -- Richard Feynman
[FairfieldLife] Re: Birth Charts and C-sections
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, card cardemaister@... wrote: Science is the belief in the ignorance of experts. -- Richard Feynman What that means is, you can question the experts' idea, if you think it is wrong, and find a better explanation, if you can prove it. This passage does not mean unthinking acceptance of what experts say is true, if that was the intent of your posting this. 'The only way to have real success in science, the field I'm familiar with, is to describe the evidence very carefully without regard to the way you feel it should be. If you have a theory, you must try to explain what's good and what's bad about it equally. In science, you learn a kind of standard integrity and honesty.' 'The exception tests the rule. Or, put another way, The exception proves that the rule is wrong. That is the principle of science. If there is an exception to any rule, and if it can be proved by observation, that rule is wrong.' 'Science is a way of trying not to fool yourself. The first principle is that you must not fool yourself, and you are the easiest person to fool.' --also Richard Feynman
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Birth Charts and C-sections
On 06/09/2013 04:22 PM, Xenophaneros Anartaxius wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, card cardemaister@... wrote: Science is the belief in the ignorance of experts. -- Richard Feynman What that means is, you can question the experts' idea, if you think it is wrong, and find a better explanation, if you can prove it. This passage does not mean unthinking acceptance of what experts say is true, if that was the intent of your posting this. 'The only way to have real success in science, the field I'm familiar with, is to describe the evidence very carefully without regard to the way you feel it should be. If you have a theory, you must try to explain what's good and what's bad about it equally. In science, you learn a kind of standard integrity and honesty.' 'The exception tests the rule. Or, put another way, The exception proves that the rule is wrong. That is the principle of science. If there is an exception to any rule, and if it can be proved by observation, that rule is wrong.' 'Science is a way of trying not to fool yourself. The first principle is that you must not fool yourself, and you are the easiest person to fool.' --also Richard Feynman And he got his inspiration from visiting strip clubs.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Birth Charts and C-sections
Yeah, we get along great. Have to read the ripples on the water with Scorpio, because often that is all there is to see. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: On 06/09/2013 11:01 AM, doctordumbass@... wrote: I am curious what the people interested in astrology have heard about this. The reason being is that my daughter was born via C-section, and so the time of her birth was essentially chosen by me, according to when I could get away from work. The doctor told us when she was ready to be born, and I set the time at 11 AM that day, due to strictly practical considerations. There was enough of a window there, though, that I could have manipulated her Ascendant, had I wanted to (turned out to be Scorpio). Scorpio is good for a Taurus parent. I've seen many charts of parents and children who have opposition in ascendants. And then there are the connections almost spooky between relatives. Every one of my great nieces and nephews connect with my chart as well as between their cousins. And I'm talking small 1 or 2 degree orb aspects and conjunctions. Basically the nay-sayers don't like the idea of predetermination and they are probably per-determined to think that way. In fact for personal psychology I recommend believing in free will though it may not exist at all. How this all works is probably beyond the scope of our current science.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Birth Charts and C-sections
Dr.D, Some families in India consult a jyotishi to determine when is the best time for birth to give the child a favorable birth time. When the birth time is determined, then the mothers undergo the C-section operation. According to jyotish principles, the birth time occurs when the baby takes the first breath outside of the mother's womb. Personally, I was consulted to determine the birth time delivery for a baby. I used a technique called nimittas, which refers to good omens. When I was pondering this question, I witnessed a baptism in church of a child who was christened, Adam. So, I chose this name as the basis of determining my client's child. The syllable A refers to the 4th quarter of the nakshatra of Krittika. So, it was only a matter of determining the date and time when the Moon will transit this sector. The client agreed and the baby was delivered by C-section. He chose to call his male child, Aditi, meaning the Sun in Hindu mythology. JR --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... no_reply@... wrote: I am curious what the people interested in astrology have heard about this. The reason being is that my daughter was born via C-section, and so the time of her birth was essentially chosen by me, according to when I could get away from work. The doctor told us when she was ready to be born, and I set the time at 11 AM that day, due to strictly practical considerations. There was enough of a window there, though, that I could have manipulated her Ascendant, had I wanted to (turned out to be Scorpio).
[FairfieldLife] Re: Birth Charts and C-sections
Thank you for your story - I hope Aditi wasn't inadvertently paired with an awkward last name like, Finklestein, or Gomez. Might have made it harder in school. :-) Astrology is fun from a broad brush perspective, like I am a Gemini, and duh, I love to communicate! But when it gets into prediction, or even assessment of specific traits, I have not yet seen anything specific enough about myself, or others, to impress me. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@... wrote: Dr.D, Some families in India consult a jyotishi to determine when is the best time for birth to give the child a favorable birth time. When the birth time is determined, then the mothers undergo the C-section operation. According to jyotish principles, the birth time occurs when the baby takes the first breath outside of the mother's womb. Personally, I was consulted to determine the birth time delivery for a baby. I used a technique called nimittas, which refers to good omens. When I was pondering this question, I witnessed a baptism in church of a child who was christened, Adam. So, I chose this name as the basis of determining my client's child. The syllable A refers to the 4th quarter of the nakshatra of Krittika. So, it was only a matter of determining the date and time when the Moon will transit this sector. The client agreed and the baby was delivered by C-section. He chose to call his male child, Aditi, meaning the Sun in Hindu mythology. JR --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: I am curious what the people interested in astrology have heard about this. The reason being is that my daughter was born via C-section, and so the time of her birth was essentially chosen by me, according to when I could get away from work. The doctor told us when she was ready to be born, and I set the time at 11 AM that day, due to strictly practical considerations. There was enough of a window there, though, that I could have manipulated her Ascendant, had I wanted to (turned out to be Scorpio).
