[FairfieldLife] Re: Darshan (was: Sugar-Coated Poison: )
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But I agree, experientially, that inanimate things, like a tree, can serve as a catalyst. I used to literally have a tree temple in a large park -- that I figured, vowed , decided, intuited that through devotion I could make the divine manifest in that very spot. Like a murti in a temple. My above question has to do with the question of if its our image and expectations of the saints purity that invokes that within us, starting the energy chain and inner dynamics. How else could you explain the radical shifts in perception that can happen in one's relationship to a guru, shifts that are rather common also. After major disappointments the perfect divine guru changes to the embodiment of Satan. I have witnessed this kind of shift in a friend of mine. To me both these extremes are just projections. The person, imperfect human being, behind the guru mask is not seen. I meet on daily basis people who shine forth the divine Self. They are quite ordinary people. It takes a certain kind of personality structure and cultural influence for one to become a guru. Irmeli Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Darshan (was: Sugar-Coated Poison: )
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In my direct experience with MMY and SSRS, their darshan is vast and powerful...infinite Shiva. An honest question and sincere point: I am wondering what you feel from your wife's darshan? Or attention on the love you have for her? The point I am trying to get at is distinguishing what comes from inside us, but we attribute to others, and what really comes from outside. Which is sort of silly when we ae discussing infinite Shiva -- its all inside and outside. But that sort of gets to the point. I find, that when focussing on a loved one, love fills you up, and all sorts of energy dynamics can unfold, lots of powerful stuff can happen. And one attributes it to the other, but its really just love within oneself unfolding. So thats the case with ordinary folks (not to imply your wife is ordinary). Is it (any) different with saints? I know that sounds like a silly question and makes it seems I have never been in the presence of saints and felt powerful and wonderful things. I have. But still, it begs the question, how much is coming from them, how much is just real inner stuff bubbleing up because we are focussed on something that invokes love and surrender? MMY has wonderful lectures on you think its all coming from the teacher, but the teahcer does nothing, it all comes from the student. Like a resevoir does nothing, its the pipe that makes the conection. Like a golden chain And love comes from you, not from the one you love Both quote streams are related to what i am trying to get at with the darshan experience -- but are not 100% dead-on. And many devotees make the (non) distinction that here or there, in their physiccal presence, 10,000 miles away, the guru is aways there, full as full can be. Has anyone figured out this distinction of wholeness and its source in saint darshan? How much is coming from the Saint? Its a resonance thing. The saint is awake. When we awaken in the same way, we think it is the saint. But it isn't. Its both. Same with a loved one. Its both. Which is why as we develop, it doesn't much matter if it is a tree or a saint or a piece of gum or a dog or the morning breeze, same effect. What originally made us go Wow! is pretty much everywhere. Not a whole lot of difference. More oneness, less otherness, less wowness, more isness... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Darshan (was: Sugar-Coated Poison: )
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In my direct experience with MMY and SSRS, their darshan is vast and powerful...infinite Shiva. An honest question and sincere point: I am wondering what you feel from your wife's darshan? Or attention on the love you have for her? The point I am trying to get at is distinguishing what comes from inside us, but we attribute to others, and what really comes from outside. Which is sort of silly when we ae discussing infinite Shiva -- its all inside and outside. But that sort of gets to the point. I find, that when focussing on a loved one, love fills you up, and all sorts of energy dynamics can unfold, lots of powerful stuff can happen. And one attributes it to the other, but its really just love within oneself unfolding. So thats the case with ordinary folks (not to imply your wife is ordinary). Is it (any) different with saints? I know that sounds like a silly question and makes it seems I have never been in the presence of saints and felt powerful and wonderful things. I have. But still, it begs the question, how much is coming from them, how much is just real inner stuff bubbleing up because we are focussed on something that invokes love and surrender? MMY has wonderful lectures on you think its all coming from the teacher, but the teahcer does nothing, it all comes from the student. Like a resevoir does nothing, its the pipe that makes the conection. Like a golden chain And love comes from you, not from the one you love Both quote streams are related to what i am trying to get at with the darshan experience -- but are not 100% dead-on. And many devotees make the (non) distinction that here or there, in their physiccal presence, 10,000 miles away, the guru is aways there, full as full can be. Has anyone figured out this distinction of wholeness and its source in saint darshan? How much is coming from the Saint? Its a resonance thing. The saint is awake. When we awaken in the same way, we think it is the saint. But it isn't. Its both. Same with a loved one. Its both. Which is why as we develop, it doesn't much matter if it is a tree or a saint or a piece of gum or a dog or the morning breeze, same effect. What originally made us go Wow! is pretty much everywhere. Not a whole lot of difference. More oneness, less otherness, less wowness, more isness... But in the case of a tree, its not really both, the tree is not awake like a saint, it does not resonate in the same way as awakened saint. But I agree, experientially, that inanimate things, like a tree, can serve as a catalyst. I used to literally have a tree temple in a large park -- that I figured, vowed , decided, intuited that through devotion I could make the divine manifest in that very spot. Like a murti in a temple. My above question has to do with the question of if its our image and expectations of the saints purity that invokes that within us, starting the energy chain and inner dynamics. For example, I view SBS as pure as refined glass or a diamond -- an almost tranlucent body that lights up like a blazing diamond from inner light. But I realize that may be from inner and personal expectation and imagining. And thus, really could be transferred to anything - and that anything could serve as a similar catalyst. Like my tree. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Darshan (was: Sugar-Coated Poison: )
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In my direct experience with MMY and SSRS, their darshan is vast and powerful...infinite Shiva. An honest question and sincere point: I am wondering what you feel from your wife's darshan? Or attention on the love you have for her? The point I am trying to get at is distinguishing what comes from inside us, but we attribute to others, and what really comes from outside. Which is sort of silly when we ae discussing infinite Shiva - - its all inside and outside. But that sort of gets to the point. I find, that when focussing on a loved one, love fills you up, and all sorts of energy dynamics can unfold, lots of powerful stuff can happen. And one attributes it to the other, but its really just love within oneself unfolding. So thats the case with ordinary folks (not to imply your wife is ordinary). Is it (any) different with saints? I know that sounds like a silly question and makes it seems I have never been in the presence of saints and felt powerful and wonderful things. I have. But still, it begs the question, how much is coming from them, how much is just real inner stuff bubbleing up because we are focussed on something that invokes love and surrender? MMY has wonderful lectures on you think its all coming from the teacher, but the teahcer does nothing, it all comes from the student. Like a resevoir does nothing, its the pipe that makes the conection. Like a golden chain And love comes from you, not from the one you love Both quote streams are related to what i am trying to get at with the darshan experience -- but are not 100% dead-on. And many devotees make the (non) distinction that here or there, in their physiccal presence, 10,000 miles away, the guru is aways there, full as full can be. Has anyone figured out this distinction of wholeness and its source in saint darshan? How much is coming from the Saint? Its a resonance thing. The saint is awake. When we awaken in the same way, we think it is the saint. But it isn't. Its both. Same with a loved one. Its both. Which is why as we develop, it doesn't much matter if it is a tree or a saint or a piece of gum or a dog or the morning breeze, same effect. What originally made us go Wow! is pretty much everywhere. Not a whole lot of difference. More oneness, less otherness, less wowness, more isness... But in the case of a tree, its not really both, the tree is not awake like a saint, it does not resonate in the same way as awakened saint. Same stuff. But I agree, experientially, that inanimate things, like a tree, can serve as a catalyst. I used to literally have a tree temple in a large park -- that I figured, vowed , decided, intuited that through devotion I could make the divine manifest in that very spot. Like a murti in a temple. it sounds trite I know, but the divine manifests everywhere, palpably...I know what you mean though- I remember seeing the nervous systems and personalities and hearts of trees. My above question has to do with the question of if its our image and expectations of the saints purity that invokes that within us, starting the energy chain and inner dynamics. For example, I view SBS as pure as refined glass or a diamond -- an almost tranlucent body that lights up like a blazing diamond from inner light. But I realize that may be from inner and personal expectation and imagining. And thus, really could be transferred to anything - and that anything could serve as a similar catalyst. Like my tree. If you are talking about catalysts, then saints are much better catalysts than trees, or unawakened people. And your perception of SBS (not sure who that is...) is entirely accurate, not imagined. I am merely saying that once the catalysts have done their work, and like Hagen posted earlier, we are in complete and total bondage, infinite surrender, complete and total freedom, then everything else in our universe is too. There are no longer distinctions like more darshan, less darshan. Oh, I suppose if I were to meet a saint tomorrow I would very much enjoy the experience, hypothethically- probably depend on if I was in the mood. But to be perfectly honest, it would make no difference to me whatsover if I ever met a saint ever...again. No desire anymore in that direction. No seeking, only finding, and finding and finding! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home
