[FairfieldLife] Re: Diksha teacher ejected from the dome

2006-08-02 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ 
 wrote:
 
 **SNIP** 
  On the above [SNIPPED] point, I don't think it's a matter of the 
 TMO telling 
  them that they can't do the non-TM activities on the course but, 
  rather, because of a religious activity performed by this 
 individual 
  during NON-Dome practise he is being told he can't attend the 
Dome.
  
  It was this discrimination based solely upon this individual's 
  personal religious practises that I earlier suggested was a 
  violation of federal equality laws (this individual adheres to, 
  practises and is regular in both TM and TM Sidhis and only does 
  those practises as per the instructions while in the Dome).
  
 **END**
 
 Yes, but the exclusion of people from TMO courses is still legally 
 valid because the TMO makes the rules, or sets the conditions, 
which 
 determine whether or not a person is accepted to the course or is 
 allowed to participate.  There's no actual discrimination based on 
 religion (I would argue) because likely neither the TMO or the 
 individual who's practicing diksha would define any of the 
activities 
 as religious.  And even if they did, it's still okay for a 
religion 
 to define what constitutes acceptable religious behavior and to 
 exclude behavior that doesn't comport with their belief or dogma.
 
 I'd expect that the TMO would make the argument that the 
technology 
 of world peace or the Maharishi Effect would somehow or another be 
 compromised by the outside-the-dome activities of the person 
 regardless of their adherence with other authorized TMO practices 
 while in the dome.
 
 The sad thing, as Robert G. points out in #107744, is Why would 
an 
 organization, which is trying to create unity, and
 harmony,
 Take an action like this, that creates seperateness, and 
disharmony;
 . . ..
 
 The contradictions that have existed in the TMO for a long time 
are 
 really dismaying.  But, for what it's worth, they don't seem to be 
 that much different than any other organized endeavor of humans on 
 the planet.  It's just that many or most of us thought at some 
time 
 in our life that this was different.  Apparently not.


Thanks for the insightful analysis, Marek.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Diksha teacher ejected from the dome

2006-08-02 Thread new . morning
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wrote:

Hi, 

Your profile says you are a doctor. MD?






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Diksha teacher ejected from the dome

2006-08-01 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steven klayman [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 What poppycock
 He doesnt practice deeksha. No one does. People are so
 entrenched in doing, as if it will get you somewhere. 
 It is the laying on of hands. period. The TMO would
 toss Jesus out if he came by because he did the same
 thing. 



Jesus is attending the Invincible America course?

Is he hovering yet?



 Its like throwing a dentist out because he fills
 teeth.
 The rationalizations of the TMO are as bizarre as
 actions of the TMO.
 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Diksha teacher ejected from the dome

2006-08-01 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@
 wrote:
 **SNIP**
   
   The campus is private property and campus officials can 
request a
   person to leave their property whenever they deem that someone 
is
   trespassing.  No shoes, no shirt, no service.  They can 
withdraw 
  their
   invitation at any time.  Not a civil rights violation; just a
   trespassing issue.
   
   If the person had paid money for certain privileges or 
services and
   then they were denied those privileges or services without 
credit
   (either in whole or prorated) then the person might sue for 
breach 
  of
   contract, but it seems that the course was free.
  
  
  What about the fact that the university receives federal 
funding? 
  Does that not put them within the scope of federal laws?
  
 **END**
 
 No, it's still a contract issue.  An agreement between the 
university
 (or some other TMO entity) and the course participant; a contract 
of
 some sort.  And maybe a provisional one that spells out that course
 acceptance or participation is contingent upon some TMO
 security/purity/worthiness clearance and that the TMO can call it 
off
 whenever they feel like it.  Can't imagine that the TMO doesn't 
have
 competent legal counsel for things like emergency spiritual crisis
 course contracts.  I'd imagine it's pretty much boilerplate stuff 
that
 absolves and holds blameless the university for anything.
 
 Enforceability is another matter, but based on the pure fuzziness 
of
 what is promised and/or anticipated in the whole premise of these
 courses I believe that most courts would be very reluctant to get
 involved.  Plus the money involved really isn't that great of an
 amount so what lawyer is going to litigate it if there's no payoff.
 
 The federal funding matter brings the university within the scope 
of
 federal law as it relates to certain federal educational 
requirements.
  But I can't see how a course like this would relate to federal
 funding.  Plus, what would be the protected group that these 
people
 belong to that makes it a civil rights violation?  (Like race or
 religion or gender status.)  These people get to practice whatever 
it
 is that they do (whether religion or sadhana or however they
 characterize it) but the university (or the TMO) is just telling 
them
 that they can't do it whatever it is, there, on that course. 



First of all, thanks for the great insights.

On the above point, I don't think it's a matter of the TMO telling 
them that they can't do the non-TM activities on the course but, 
rather, because of a religious activity performed by this individual 
during NON-Dome practise he is being told he can't attend the Dome.

It was this discrimination based solely upon this individual's 
personal religious practises that I earlier suggested was a 
violation of federal equality laws (this individual adheres to, 
practises and is regular in both TM and TM Sidhis and only does 
those practises as per the instructions while in the Dome).



 Catholics don't let Muslims lead prayer services during their mass.
 
 As Peter said before, it's the TMO's bat and ball.








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Diksha teacher ejected from the dome! (Who's responsible?)

2006-08-01 Thread Robert Gimbel
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis 
 reavismarek@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@
  wrote:
  **SNIP**

The campus is private property and campus officials can 
 request a
person to leave their property whenever they deem that 
someone 
 is
trespassing.  No shoes, no shirt, no service.  They can 
 withdraw 
   their
invitation at any time.  Not a civil rights violation; just a
trespassing issue.

If the person had paid money for certain privileges or 
 services and
then they were denied those privileges or services without 
 credit
(either in whole or prorated) then the person might sue for 
 breach 
   of
contract, but it seems that the course was free.
   
   
   What about the fact that the university receives federal 
 funding? 
   Does that not put them within the scope of federal laws?
   
  **END**
  
  No, it's still a contract issue.  An agreement between the 
 university
  (or some other TMO entity) and the course participant; a contract 
 of
  some sort.  And maybe a provisional one that spells out that 
course
  acceptance or participation is contingent upon some TMO
  security/purity/worthiness clearance and that the TMO can call it 
 off
  whenever they feel like it.  Can't imagine that the TMO doesn't 
 have
  competent legal counsel for things like emergency spiritual crisis
  course contracts.  I'd imagine it's pretty much boilerplate stuff 
 that
  absolves and holds blameless the university for anything.
  
  Enforceability is another matter, but based on the pure fuzziness 
 of
  what is promised and/or anticipated in the whole premise of these
  courses I believe that most courts would be very reluctant to get
  involved.  Plus the money involved really isn't that great of an
  amount so what lawyer is going to litigate it if there's no 
payoff.
  
  The federal funding matter brings the university within the scope 
 of
  federal law as it relates to certain federal educational 
 requirements.
   But I can't see how a course like this would relate to federal
  funding.  Plus, what would be the protected group that these 
 people
  belong to that makes it a civil rights violation?  (Like race or
  religion or gender status.)  These people get to practice 
whatever 
 it
  is that they do (whether religion or sadhana or however they
  characterize it) but the university (or the TMO) is just telling 
 them
  that they can't do it whatever it is, there, on that course. 
 
 
 
 First of all, thanks for the great insights.
 
 On the above point, I don't think it's a matter of the TMO telling 
 them that they can't do the non-TM activities on the course but, 
 rather, because of a religious activity performed by this 
individual 
 during NON-Dome practise he is being told he can't attend the Dome.
 
 It was this discrimination based solely upon this individual's 
 personal religious practises that I earlier suggested was a 
 violation of federal equality laws (this individual adheres to, 
 practises and is regular in both TM and TM Sidhis and only does 
 those practises as per the instructions while in the Dome).
 
 
 
  Catholics don't let Muslims lead prayer services during their 
mass.
  
  As Peter said before, it's the TMO's bat and ball.

Whatever the county laws are regarding trespassing; will be in favor 
of the land-holder of course...
But the bigger picture is:
Why would an organization, which is trying to create unity, and 
harmony,
Take an action like this, that creates seperateness, and disharmony;
And who is making the decisions to create something different,
Than is the goal of this course?
Who is in charge, that makes such decisions, and who are they 
responsible to?

 








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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Diksha teacher ejected from the dome

2006-08-01 Thread steven klayman
on 7/31/06 10:13 PM, Peter at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 If I was doing group program someplace and some dude
 next to me was doing some other program, I'd say two
 things to him; 1)Why are you here doing a different
 program, and 2) Get the f*ck out of here, you
retard.
 -Pter (I come in peace) S.

Peter- Please tell me this was just tongue in cheek
type humor. Please. 
You know in emails one cant see the body language or
hear the tone in the voice to know when someone is
being sarcastic.
BTW-Deeksha has no relation to religion. It is given
and received by people of all faiths, even TM
fundamentalists. Many of them are sitting in the
domes, doing their TM, just like Bousfield was doing.
The guy spent 18 years on Purusha. Like
helloo
I spoke to him on the 21 day course in India. I asked
him,Can you believe what is going on here ? I was
astounded at the beauty of the process that this
mind/body organism was undergoing. It was fantastic.
Easier than any rounding course and more blissful and
more insightful (for me) than anything I had ever
done. He mumbled on about how he thought MMY had such
a high teaching and how great TM was. As the 21 day
course progressed (we did not talk much as we were
mostly in silence) his/my experiences deepened. He
just wanted to share this with anyone who wanted a
taste of it. It reminded me of the old days of the TM
movement when all we wanted to do was initiate.
So he gets tossed from the dome. i bet he was doing
his TM and TM siddhis program like everyone else.

I love God.Its his followers that scare the sh*t out
of me.


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[FairfieldLife] Re: Diksha teacher ejected from the dome

2006-08-01 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ 
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk 
shempmcgurk@ 
  wrote:
snip
   What about the fact that the university receives federal
   funding? Does that not put them within the scope of federal 
   laws?
  
  What federal law did they break?
 
 Assuming that they did (Marek has subsequently set me straight on 
 this) it would have been the one that says you can't discriminate 
 against someone based upon one's religion.

But deeksha isn't a religion.








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Diksha teacher ejected from the dome

2006-08-01 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steven klayman [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
snip
 I spoke to him on the 21 day course in India. I asked
 him,Can you believe what is going on here ? I was
 astounded at the beauty of the process that this
 mind/body organism was undergoing. It was fantastic.
 Easier than any rounding course and more blissful and
 more insightful (for me) than anything I had ever
 done.

If this is the usual experience with deeksha, it
seems to me it may explain why they threw him out





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Diksha teacher ejected from the dome

2006-08-01 Thread Marek Reavis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

**SNIP** 
 On the above [SNIPPED] point, I don't think it's a matter of the 
TMO telling 
 them that they can't do the non-TM activities on the course but, 
 rather, because of a religious activity performed by this 
individual 
 during NON-Dome practise he is being told he can't attend the Dome.
 
 It was this discrimination based solely upon this individual's 
 personal religious practises that I earlier suggested was a 
 violation of federal equality laws (this individual adheres to, 
 practises and is regular in both TM and TM Sidhis and only does 
 those practises as per the instructions while in the Dome).
 
**END**

Yes, but the exclusion of people from TMO courses is still legally 
valid because the TMO makes the rules, or sets the conditions, which 
determine whether or not a person is accepted to the course or is 
allowed to participate.  There's no actual discrimination based on 
religion (I would argue) because likely neither the TMO or the 
individual who's practicing diksha would define any of the activities 
as religious.  And even if they did, it's still okay for a religion 
to define what constitutes acceptable religious behavior and to 
exclude behavior that doesn't comport with their belief or dogma.

I'd expect that the TMO would make the argument that the technology 
of world peace or the Maharishi Effect would somehow or another be 
compromised by the outside-the-dome activities of the person 
regardless of their adherence with other authorized TMO practices 
while in the dome.

The sad thing, as Robert G. points out in #107744, is Why would an 
organization, which is trying to create unity, and
harmony,
Take an action like this, that creates seperateness, and disharmony;
. . ..

The contradictions that have existed in the TMO for a long time are 
really dismaying.  But, for what it's worth, they don't seem to be 
that much different than any other organized endeavor of humans on 
the planet.  It's just that many or most of us thought at some time 
in our life that this was different.  Apparently not.





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Diksha teacher ejected from the dome

2006-08-01 Thread Peter


--- Marek Reavis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 
 The contradictions that have existed in the TMO for
 a long time are 
 really dismaying.  But, for what it's worth, they
 don't seem to be 
 that much different than any other organized
 endeavor of humans on 
 the planet.  It's just that many or most of us
 thought at some time 
 in our life that this was different.  Apparently
 not.

Excellent post. All this inclusion/exclusion of the
TMO  is just the binding influence of a rajasic
intellect over-shadowed by some very powerful
samakaras. I wish all the TMO administrators would
make that final discrimination from a bound mind
dominated by the illusion of the I thought. To the
Self-evident infinity of simple consciousness. They
would all sh*t in their pants, mid-thought, as they
are eaten alive by Brahman.




 
 
 
 
 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Diksha teacher ejected from the dome

2006-08-01 Thread steven klayman
Re: Diksha teacher ejected from the dome 
Posted by: Marek Reavis [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
marekreavis 
Tue Aug 1, 2006 12:11 pm (PST) 
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

**SNIP** 
 On the above [SNIPPED] point, I don't think it's a
matter of the 
TMO telling 
 them that they can't do the non-TM activities on the
course but, 
 rather, because of a religious activity performed by
this 
individual 
 during NON-Dome practise he is being told he can't
attend the Dome.
 
 It was this discrimination based solely upon this
individual's 
 personal religious practises that I earlier
suggested was a 
 violation of federal equality laws (this individual
adheres to, 
 practises and is regular in both TM and TM Sidhis
and only does 
 those practises as per the instructions while in the
Dome).
 
**END**

Yes, but the exclusion of people from TMO courses is
still legally 
valid because the TMO makes the rules, or sets the
conditions, which 
determine whether or not a person is accepted to the
course or is 
allowed to participate. There's no actual
discrimination based on 
religion (I would argue) because likely neither the
TMO or the 
individual who's practicing diksha would define any of
the activities 
as religious. And even if they did, it's still okay
for a religion 
to define what constitutes acceptable religious
behavior and to 
exclude behavior that doesn't comport with their
belief or dogma.

I'd expect that the TMO would make the argument that
the technology 
of world peace or the Maharishi Effect would somehow
or another be 
compromised by the outside-the-dome activities of the
person 
regardless of their adherence with other authorized
TMO practices 
while in the dome.

The sad thing, as Robert G. points out in #107744, is
Why would an 
organization, which is trying to create unity, and
harmony,
Take an action like this, that creates seperateness,
and disharmony;
. . ..

The contradictions that have existed in the TMO for a
long time are 
really dismaying. But, for what it's worth, they don't
seem to be 
that much different than any other organized endeavor
of humans on 
the planet. It's just that many or most of us thought
at some time 
in our life that this was different. Apparently not.

well said. i hope that sums it up.
may the TMO RIP!!



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[FairfieldLife] Re: Diksha teacher ejected from the dome

2006-07-31 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I mentioned earlier that former Purusha and now diksha teacher David
 Bousfield had been admitted to the dome. Today, in the middle of 
program,
 two security guards ushered him out.


Does he practise the TM Program regularly?

If yes, you should share the Hundreds of meditations MP3 audio in 
the files section with him and have him play it for the muckety-mucks.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Diksha teacher ejected from the dome

2006-07-31 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd
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 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ wrote:
 
  I mentioned earlier that former Purusha and now diksha teacher 
  David Bousfield had been admitted to the dome. Today, in the 
  middle of program, two security guards ushered him out.
 
 So much for the World Peace.

I wouldn't be surprised if the numbers don't
get any higher at this point. A lot of people
were probably waiting, saying to themselves,
They *say* that it's Ok for us to come, and 
that there won't be any of the heavyhanded 
fascist stuff this time. But when we actually 
get there, what will it be like?  

Well, now they know. 'Thoughtcrime' is still
a crime, and Big Brother still rules.









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[FairfieldLife] Re: Diksha teacher ejected from the dome

2006-07-31 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I mentioned earlier that former Purusha and now diksha teacher David
 Bousfield had been admitted to the dome. Today, in the middle of program,
 two security guards ushered him out.


You can't make this stuff up, folks.





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Diksha teacher ejected from the dome

2006-07-31 Thread Rick Archer
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Diksha teacher ejected from the dome





on 7/31/06 1:12 AM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I mentioned earlier that former Purusha and now diksha teacher David
 Bousfield had been admitted to the dome. Today, in the middle of 
program,
 two security guards ushered him out.


Does he practise the TM Program regularly?

Yes.

If yes, you should share the Hundreds of meditations MP3 audio in 
the files section with him and have him play it for the muckety-mucks.

Dont know about that. A song? 

Someone called me last night to ask if Amma people were being kicked out and to complain about someone named Jeff Cohen, working in the course office, with a Nazi mentality.

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Diksha teacher ejected from the dome

2006-07-31 Thread Rick Archer
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Diksha teacher ejected from the dome





on 7/30/06 11:58 PM, scienceofabundance at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 

Rick: Do you think that this is because someone at MUM Admin saw 
your message earlier, or someone non-MUM saw it and reported it to MUM?

Could be. That sort of thing has happened before. But I didnt mention his name in the 1st message. There are many others in the dome right now who would be kicked out if the administrators knew about their activities and involvements.


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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Diksha teacher ejected from the dome

2006-07-31 Thread Rick Archer
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Diksha teacher ejected from the dome





on 7/31/06 2:26 AM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I mentioned earlier that former Purusha and now diksha teacher David
 Bousfield had been admitted to the dome. Today, in the middle of program,
 two security guards ushered him out.


You can't make this stuff up, folks.

Whats that supposed to mean? I didnt make it up. It happened.


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[FairfieldLife] Re: Diksha teacher ejected from the dome

2006-07-31 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 on 7/31/06 2:26 AM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%
40yahoogroups.com
  , Rick Archer groups@ wrote:
  
   I mentioned earlier that former Purusha and now diksha teacher
   David Bousfield had been admitted to the dome. Today, in the 
   middle of program, two security guards ushered him out.
  
  You can't make this stuff up, folks.
  
 What¹s that supposed to mean? I didn¹t make it up. It happened.

I don't think he's suggesting you made it up.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Diksha teacher ejected from the dome

2006-07-31 Thread thedoc108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, heshiepothead 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ wrote:
 
  I mentioned earlier that former Purusha and now diksha teacher David
  Bousfield had been admitted to the dome. Today, in the middle of
 program,
  two security guards ushered him out.
 
 
 It is truly hard to fathom that this is an organization that claims to
 have the technology to promote world peace. It sounds like an episode
 of  Law and Order.

And so thru the window of science we see the dawn of the age of 
enlightenment.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Diksha teacher ejected from the dome

2006-07-31 Thread dhamiltony2k5
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ wrote:
 
  I mentioned earlier that former Purusha and now diksha teacher 
David
Bousfield had been admitted to the dome. Today, in the middle of 
program,
two security guards ushered him out.
 
 

So much for the World Peace.
 Ingegerd




On the holy occasion of Sri Vara Lakshmi Vratam, may the whole 
Earth be drenched in a nectarean flood of Sri Maha Lakshmi Devi's 
divine peace, compassion and motherly love

 

Lokah Samastah Sukhino Bhavantu

May All Beings Be Happy 

Om Shantih Shantih Shantihi

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Diksha teacher ejected from the dome

2006-07-31 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 on 7/31/06 1:12 AM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%
40yahoogroups.com
  , Rick Archer groups@ wrote:
  
   I mentioned earlier that former Purusha and now diksha 
teacher David
   Bousfield had been admitted to the dome. Today, in the middle 
of
  program,
   two security guards ushered him out.
  
  
  Does he practise the TM Program regularly?
  
 Yes.
  
  If yes, you should share the Hundreds of meditations MP3 
audio in
  the files section with him and have him play it for the muckety-
mucks.
 
 Don¹t know about that. A song?



It's the audio from 1974 where Maharishi says one can do TM and 
practise hundreds of other meditations at the same time.

It's in our files section.



 
 Someone called me last night to ask if Amma people were being 
kicked out and
 to complain about someone named Jeff Cohen, working in the course 
office,
 with a ³Nazi mentality.²








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Diksha teacher ejected from the dome

2006-07-31 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 on 7/31/06 6:30 AM, Peter at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  
  David Bousfield! He was on Purusha when it first
  started. I'm amazed he became a diksha teacher.
  
 A couple of Purusha guys have done so, and others are involved in 
it, but
 haven¹t become teachers.


Sorry, I may have asked this before but could someone please remind me 
what Diksha is?

Is it done DURING the TM program...or is it done OUTSIDE of the period 
of program?





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Diksha teacher ejected from the dome

2006-07-31 Thread Rick Archer
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Diksha teacher ejected from the dome





on 7/31/06 11:38 AM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 on 7/31/06 6:30 AM, Peter at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  
  David Bousfield! He was on Purusha when it first
  started. I'm amazed he became a diksha teacher.
  
 A couple of Purusha guys have done so, and others are involved in 
it, but
 havent become teachers.


Sorry, I may have asked this before but could someone please remind me 
what Diksha is?

Is it done DURING the TM program...or is it done OUTSIDE of the period 
of program?

Outside. Its a sort of spiritual energy transfer by laying on of hands.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Diksha teacher ejected from the dome

2006-07-31 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 on 7/31/06 11:38 AM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%
40yahoogroups.com
  , Rick Archer groups@ wrote:
  
   on 7/31/06 6:30 AM, Peter at drpetersutphen@ wrote:


David Bousfield! He was on Purusha when it first
started. I'm amazed he became a diksha teacher.

   A couple of Purusha guys have done so, and others are 
involved in
  it, but
   haven¹t become teachers.
  
  
  Sorry, I may have asked this before but could someone please 
remind me
  what Diksha is?
  
  Is it done DURING the TM program...or is it done OUTSIDE of the 
period
  of program?
  
 Outside. It¹s a sort of spiritual energy transfer by laying on of 
hands.


Then, sorry, unless this David Bousfield grows some balls and stands 
up for himself, I have no sympathy for him.

Diksha sounds to me like a religion or spiritual practise that has 
nothing -- NOTHING! -- to do with TM.

Since when does the TMO have the right to tell people which are and 
are not good or acceptable religions?

It's outrageous that he was thrown out of the Dome.

It will be exponentially MORE outrageous if Bousfield sits back and 
does nothing.

I suggest that he inform the powers-that-be that he will continue to 
go to the Dome and if they stop him he will employ some of that non-
violent resistance that some on this forum think so highly of.

He should also inform them that he will go to the press.  He should 
do this quietly so that he can let them save face...but he should do 
it forcefully and in no uncertain terms.

For Chrissake, we're all in our 50s and 60s now...can we stop please 
being treated like children?







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Diksha teacher ejected from the dome

2006-07-31 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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snip 
 For Chrissake, we're all in our 50s and 60s now...can we stop please 
 being treated like children?

If you want people to treat you like an adult, stay away from 
organizations that treat you like a child. To expect that all 
organizations will treat you like an adult is a childish assumption in 
this day and age.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Diksha teacher ejected from the dome

2006-07-31 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ 
 wrote:
 
 snip 
  For Chrissake, we're all in our 50s and 60s now...can we stop 
please 
  being treated like children?
 
 If you want people to treat you like an adult, stay away from 
 organizations that treat you like a child. To expect that all 
 organizations will treat you like an adult is a childish 
assumption in 
 this day and age.


Sadly, I do stay away from the TMO for precisely that reason.

And it's lonely.  I wish I could go to courses like this and hang 
around people who practise the same program I am doing and have been 
doing for the past 33 years.

But I can't because I know my own limitations.  I know at this age 
that I will NOT stand for this crap any longer and I will make a 
scene.

So I stay away.

And on many, many levels, it is MY loss.






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Diksha teacher ejected from the dome

2006-07-31 Thread Rick Archer
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Diksha teacher ejected from the dome





on 7/31/06 2:06 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I suggest that he inform the powers-that-be that he will continue to 
go to the Dome and if they stop him he will employ some of that non-
violent resistance that some on this forum think so highly of.

He could go to the dome but he would be physically barred from entering the doors. Security is pretty tight.

He should also inform them that he will go to the press. He should 
do this quietly so that he can let them save face...but he should do 
it forcefully and in no uncertain terms.

He probably wont do this. Hell kiss the Movement goodbye, like most do. Or maybe hell start a chat forum, like I did ;-)

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Diksha teacher ejected from the dome

2006-07-31 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 on 7/31/06 2:26 AM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
  mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com
  , Rick Archer groups@ wrote:
  
   I mentioned earlier that former Purusha and now diksha teacher David
   Bousfield had been admitted to the dome. Today, in the middle of program,
   two security guards ushered him out.
  
  
  You can't make this stuff up, folks.
  
 What¹s that supposed to mean? I didn¹t make it up. It happened.


The two security guards thing. It was a joking reference to the old saying 
about truth is 
stragner than fiction.

I can think of a few scenarios where his behavior MIGHT warrant the middle of 
program 
ouster, and many scenarios where he would be denied re-entry. However, thus 
far, no-one 
has said yeah, he was walking around, laying hands on people doing Diksha in 
the middle 
of program, so they asked him to leave. It sounds more like someone suddenly 
recognized him and he was tossed out simply because he was deemed undesireable 
and 
had slipped through the cracks.
 
If latter is the case, than it was entirely mis-handled. If the former was the 
case, than 
perhaps they handled it properly or perhaps they were heavy-handed. My own 
experience 
with MUM security says they're polite wimps, but perhaps since the murder 
incident 
they've gotten more agressive, and this action was fallout from that...





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Diksha teacher ejected from the dome What file?

2006-07-31 Thread johnlasher20002000

 It's in our files section.
What file?





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Diksha teacher ejected from the dome

2006-07-31 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ wrote:
 
  on 7/31/06 1:12 AM, shempmcgurk at shempmcgurk@ wrote:
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%
 40yahoogroups.com
   , Rick Archer groups@ wrote:
   
I mentioned earlier that former Purusha and now diksha 
 teacher David
Bousfield had been admitted to the dome. Today, in the middle 
 of
   program,
two security guards ushered him out.
   
   
   Does he practise the TM Program regularly?
   
  Yes.
   
   If yes, you should share the Hundreds of meditations MP3 
 audio in
   the files section with him and have him play it for the muckety-
 mucks.
  
  Don¹t know about that. A song?
 
 
 
 It's the audio from 1974 where Maharishi says one can do TM and 
 practise hundreds of other meditations at the same time.
 
 It's in our files section.
 
 

As Judy likes to say non sequitor: this is a group TM-Sidhis thing sponsored 
by the TM 
organization in order to get a target number of people that they are reasonably 
certain are 
practicing the TM-Sidhis program AS TAUGHT.

One thing the TM-SIdhis administrator pointed out (or at least claimed) on my 
course is 
that one is learning to think from a far more subtle level by doing the 
TM-Sidhis and that 
practices that were innocuous for a TMer might actually be detrimental for a 
Sidha. By 
extension, practices that don't affect TM detrimentally, might affect practice 
of the TM-
Sidhis detrimentally, weakening the practice instead of strengthening it, which 
goes back 
to the numbers game.

Of course, no-one can prove any of this, but the  course administrators are 
obviously 
playing it safe as possible by denying access to people who practice certain 
techniques, 
even outside of program.

 
  
  Someone called me last night to ask if Amma people were being 
 kicked out and
  to complain about someone named Jeff Cohen, working in the course 
 office,
  with a ³Nazi mentality.²
 








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Diksha teacher ejected from the dome

2006-07-31 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 on 7/31/06 11:38 AM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
  mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com
  , Rick Archer groups@ wrote:
  
   on 7/31/06 6:30 AM, Peter at drpetersutphen@ wrote:


David Bousfield! He was on Purusha when it first
started. I'm amazed he became a diksha teacher.

   A couple of Purusha guys have done so, and others are involved in
  it, but
   haven¹t become teachers.
  
  
  Sorry, I may have asked this before but could someone please remind me
  what Diksha is?
  
  Is it done DURING the TM program...or is it done OUTSIDE of the period
  of program?
  
 Outside. It¹s a sort of spiritual energy transfer by laying on of hands.


Was the guy telling all his friends and customers that he was soaking up the 
good vibes in 
order to make his own diksha stronger? 

There's plenty of plausible scenarios where the TMO would have a good reason to 
deny 
him access. 

BTW, was the guy in the middle of meditation when the security guards asked him 
to leave 
or was it before practice had started?






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Diksha teacher ejected from the dome

2006-07-31 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Rick,
 It seems there's got to be some  illegalities here.  If they told him 
 in a letter or over the phone that he was accepted, and he shelled out 
 the course fee, transportation, room and board, etc., wouldn't doing 
 something like going to Small Claims Court be a possibility...to at 
 least recoup something? And it is legal for someone to come in and 
 forcefully hustle someone else out of a building, when they were no 
 threat to anybody else?   My guess is they are betting on the usual TM 
 spinelessness letting them get away with this, and that he'll prove 
 them right.

Or, there's another side to the story that we haven't gotten.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Diksha teacher ejected from the dome What file?

2006-07-31 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, johnlasher20002000 
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  It's in our files section.
 What file?


I apologise to one and all.  I mixed up, in my memory, the tape of 
the following transcript with the we are satisfied audio in the 
files section:


From March 12, 1974, Belgium.

Questioner:

What do you think of other meditation techniques and is it possible 
to practice another meditation technique at the same time as 
transcendental meditation `specially if the other meditation 
technique is in connection with a religion?

Maharishi:

What we teach is something to be done 15, 20 minutes morning and 
evening.  Regarding other things? We have no opinion.  We leave a 
man to do what he wants to do.  We just teach Transcendental 
Meditation, give the knowledge of the pure creative intelligence.  
What he should do, what he should not do, he will decide in his own 
level of consciousness.  Nothing, neither we advice on religion, nor 
diets, nor anything, do's and don'ts we don't talk about.  Simply, 
innocently teach the practice, give the knowledge pertaining to the 
practice, satisfy all the doubt and questions regarding 
understanding and then leave the man to be with his tradition, with 
his culture, with his way of life, with everything that he wants to 
do.

Just 15 minutes morning and evening.  He can practice hundreds of 
meditations, we don't mind. As long as he does this 15-minutes, 20-
minutes morning and evening, he will enjoy, begin to enjoy 
everything that he will do, either meditation or no meditation or 
whatever. Whatever he will do in life, he will begin to enjoy more 
because everything will become more meaningful.  Just we concern 
ourselves with this practical aspect of this science.  Simple.  Very 
simple, very natural.

One of the strengths of the World Plan is this innocence of our 
Movement, we never go into any other area except Transcendental 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Diksha teacher ejected from the dome

2006-07-31 Thread bob_brigante
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 on 7/30/06 11:58 PM, scienceofabundance at 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  Rick: Do you  think that  this is because someone at MUM Admin 
saw
  your message earlier, or someone non-MUM saw it and reported it 
to MUM?
  

 Could be. That sort of thing has happened before. But I didn¹t 
mention his
 name in the 1st message. There are many others in the dome right 
now who
 would be kicked out if the administrators knew about their 
activities and
 involvements.




But Rick's first message about the diksha teachers was some time 
ago, so if that posting had put Bousfield on National's brown list, 
he never would have gotten the required OK to attend the course 
(assuming that National people know how to spell and go by 
alphabetical order, not necessarily a guaranteed thing, as witness 
similar dim bulbs at the Transportation Safety Agency who keep 
innocent people off of airplanes). 

It's more likely that somebody recognized Bousfield and complained 
to the Geheime Statspolizei.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Diksha teacher ejected from the dome

2006-07-31 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ 
wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ 
wrote:
  
   on 7/31/06 1:12 AM, shempmcgurk at shempmcgurk@ wrote:

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%
  40yahoogroups.com
, Rick Archer groups@ wrote:

 I mentioned earlier that former Purusha and now diksha 
  teacher David
 Bousfield had been admitted to the dome. Today, in the 
middle 
  of
program,
 two security guards ushered him out.


Does he practise the TM Program regularly?

   Yes.

If yes, you should share the Hundreds of meditations MP3 
  audio in
the files section with him and have him play it for the 
muckety-
  mucks.
   
   Don¹t know about that. A song?
  
  
  
  It's the audio from 1974 where Maharishi says one can do TM and 
  practise hundreds of other meditations at the same time.
  
  It's in our files section.
  
  
 
 As Judy likes to say non sequitor:




What's a non-sequitor, Spare Egg, is someone who doesn't practise TM 
regularly, continually playing the role of the TB cult member on 
this forum.




 this is a group TM-Sidhis thing sponsored by the TM 
 organization in order to get a target number of people that they 
are reasonably certain are 
 practicing the TM-Sidhis program AS TAUGHT.
 
 One thing the TM-SIdhis administrator pointed out (or at least 
claimed) on my course is 
 that one is learning to think from a far more subtle level by 
doing the TM-Sidhis and that 
 practices that were innocuous for a TMer might actually be 
detrimental for a Sidha. By 
 extension, practices that don't affect TM detrimentally, might 
affect practice of the TM-
 Sidhis detrimentally, weakening the practice instead of 
strengthening it, which goes back 
 to the numbers game.
 
 Of course, no-one can prove any of this, but the  course 
administrators are obviously 
 playing it safe as possible by denying access to people who 
practice certain techniques, 
 even outside of program.
 
  
   
   Someone called me last night to ask if Amma people were being 
  kicked out and
   to complain about someone named Jeff Cohen, working in the 
course 
  office,
   with a ³Nazi mentality.²
  
 








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Diksha teacher ejected from the dome

2006-07-31 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ wrote:
 
  on 7/31/06 11:38 AM, shempmcgurk at shempmcgurk@ wrote:
   
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%
40yahoogroups.com
   , Rick Archer groups@ wrote:
   
on 7/31/06 6:30 AM, Peter at drpetersutphen@ wrote:
 
 
 David Bousfield! He was on Purusha when it first
 started. I'm amazed he became a diksha teacher.
 
A couple of Purusha guys have done so, and others are 
involved in
   it, but
haven¹t become teachers.
   
   
   Sorry, I may have asked this before but could someone please 
remind me
   what Diksha is?
   
   Is it done DURING the TM program...or is it done OUTSIDE of 
the period
   of program?
   
  Outside. It¹s a sort of spiritual energy transfer by laying on 
of hands.
 
 
 Was the guy telling all his friends and customers that he was 
soaking up the good vibes in 
 order to make his own diksha stronger? 
 
 There's plenty of plausible scenarios where the TMO would have a 
good reason to deny 
 him access. 



Boy, Spare Egg,  you could justify anything.


 
 BTW, was the guy in the middle of meditation when the security 
guards asked him to leave 
 or was it before practice had started?







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Diksha teacher ejected from the dome

2006-07-31 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 OK, what about the hustling out with no provocation?  Civil rights 
 violation?  Any lawyers here?



Not a lawyer, but the TMO and its related organisations are private.

But, hey, you may have a point:

ISN'T MUM FEDERALLY FUNDED?  IF THEY ARE, THEY MAY INDEED BE IN 
VIOLATION OF FEDERAL LAW THAT PROHIBITS DISCRIMINATION BASED UPON 
RELIGION!!




 
 Sal
 
 
 On Jul 31, 2006, at 5:58 PM, Rick Archer wrote:
 
  on 7/31/06 4:51 PM, Sal Sunshine at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Rick,
   It seems there's got to be some  illegalities here.  If they 
told him 
  in a letter or over the phone that he was accepted, and he 
shelled out 
  the course fee, transportation, room and board, etc., wouldn't 
doing 
  something like going to Small Claims Court be a possibility...to 
at 
  least recoup something? And it is legal for someone to come in 
and 
  forcefully hustle someone else out of a building, when they were 
no 
  threat to anybody else?   My guess is they are betting on the 
usual TM 
  spinelessness letting them get away with this, and that he'll 
prove 
  them right.
 
  He lives here, and I believe the course is free.  __







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Diksha teacher ejected from the dome

2006-07-31 Thread Marek Reavis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 OK, what about the hustling out with no provocation?  Civil rights 
 violation?  Any lawyers here?
 
 Sal
 
**

The campus is private property and campus officials can request a
person to leave their property whenever they deem that someone is
trespassing.  No shoes, no shirt, no service.  They can withdraw their
invitation at any time.  Not a civil rights violation; just a
trespassing issue.

If the person had paid money for certain privileges or services and
then they were denied those privileges or services without credit
(either in whole or prorated) then the person might sue for breach of
contract, but it seems that the course was free.






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Diksha teacher ejected from the dome

2006-07-31 Thread Sal Sunshine
Thank you for the answer.  The course was free, but supposedly there were several who were accepted, paid transportation and arranged rooms, and they were thrown off as well.

Anybody know if that actually happened or was just rumor from that previous post?


Sal


On Jul 31, 2006, at 8:47 PM, Marek Reavis wrote:

he campus is private property and campus officials can request a
person to leave their property whenever they deem that someone is
trespassing.  No shoes, no shirt, no service.  They can withdraw their
invitation at any time.  Not a civil rights violation; just a
trespassing issue.

If the person had paid money for certain privileges or services and
then they were denied those privileges or services without credit
(either in whole or prorated) then the person might sue for breach of
contract, but it seems that the course was free.




[FairfieldLife] Re: Diksha teacher ejected from the dome

2006-07-31 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@
 wrote:
 
  OK, what about the hustling out with no provocation?  Civil 
rights 
  violation?  Any lawyers here?
  
  Sal
  
 **
 
 The campus is private property and campus officials can request a
 person to leave their property whenever they deem that someone is
 trespassing.  No shoes, no shirt, no service.  They can withdraw 
their
 invitation at any time.  Not a civil rights violation; just a
 trespassing issue.
 
 If the person had paid money for certain privileges or services and
 then they were denied those privileges or services without credit
 (either in whole or prorated) then the person might sue for breach 
of
 contract, but it seems that the course was free.


What about the fact that the university receives federal funding? 
Does that not put them within the scope of federal laws?












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[FairfieldLife] Re: Diksha teacher ejected from the dome

2006-07-31 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis 
 reavismarek@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@
  wrote:
  
   OK, what about the hustling out with no provocation?  Civil 
 rights 
   violation?  Any lawyers here?
   
   Sal
   
  **
  
  The campus is private property and campus officials can request a
  person to leave their property whenever they deem that someone is
  trespassing.  No shoes, no shirt, no service.  They can withdraw 
 their
  invitation at any time.  Not a civil rights violation; just a
  trespassing issue.
  
  If the person had paid money for certain privileges or services
  and then they were denied those privileges or services without 
  credit (either in whole or prorated) then the person might sue 
  for breach of contract, but it seems that the course was free.
 
 What about the fact that the university receives federal funding? 
 Does that not put them within the scope of federal laws?

What federal law did they break?







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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Diksha teacher ejected from the dome

2006-07-31 Thread Peter
If I was doing group program someplace and some dude
next to me was doing some other program, I'd say two
things to him; 1)Why are you here doing a different
program, and 2) Get the f*ck out of here, you retard.
-Pter (I come in peace) S.

--- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 on 7/31/06 2:06 PM, shempmcgurk at
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  I suggest that he inform the powers-that-be that
 he will continue to
  go to the Dome and if they stop him he will employ
 some of that non-
  violent resistance that some on this forum think
 so highly of.
  
 He could go to the dome but he would be physically
 barred from entering the
 doors. Security is pretty tight.
  
  He should also inform them that he will go to the
 press.  He should
  do this quietly so that he can let them save
 face...but he should do
  it forcefully and in no uncertain terms.
  
 He probably won¹t do this. He¹ll kiss the Movement
 goodbye, like most do. Or
 maybe he¹ll start a chat forum, like I did ;-)
 


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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Diksha teacher ejected from the dome

2006-07-31 Thread Rick Archer
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Diksha teacher ejected from the dome





on 7/31/06 10:13 PM, Peter at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

If I was doing group program someplace and some dude
next to me was doing some other program, I'd say two
things to him; 1)Why are you here doing a different
program, and 2) Get the f*ck out of here, you retard.
-Pter (I come in peace) S.

I think most of us agree that no one should be doing anything other than MMYs program in the dome. What we object to is the TMOs concern with anything outside of that, which most people would consider their private concern. This policy has created mountains of ill will in FF over the years.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Diksha teacher ejected from the dome

2006-07-31 Thread bob_brigante
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Not a lawyer, but the TMO and its related organisations are 
private.
 
 But, hey, you may have a point:
 
 ISN'T MUM FEDERALLY FUNDED?  IF THEY ARE, THEY MAY INDEED BE IN 
 VIOLATION OF FEDERAL LAW THAT PROHIBITS DISCRIMINATION BASED UPON 
 RELIGION!!
 
 
*

Colleges receiving federal funding can discriminate based on 
religion.


At Joshua Davey's alma mater, Northwest College, which is 
affiliated with the Assembly of God Church, every student must 
profess a personal commitment to Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior. 
http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/dokupil200402270920.asp

also: 
http://www.northwestu.edu/admissions/requirements/preadmission.php


Northwest College is also accredited by the recognized regional 
accreditation agency ( 
http://www.northwestu.edu/about/history.php ), just like MUM and 
Harvard, and the students have access to all the federal financial 
aid:
http://eagle.northwestu.edu/financialaid/






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Diksha teacher ejected from the dome

2006-07-31 Thread steven klayman
hey schemp. There is life beyond the TMO. There are
wonderful people associated with the TMO in Fairfield
but there are so many spiritual seekers out there, and
many started with TM. And there are many wise souls
out there who never indulged in TM or the TMO. I still
have many friends from the old days who still like me
even tho i would not set foot in the Golden Dome. Our
dome here in austin is a weed infested broken down
building that no one uses. Oh, my mistake . Two days
ago I saw a car in the parking lot of the dome. People
are spooked because it has bad vastu. PUHLEZE
Who would want to hang out with people who would throw
you out of the dome because you can think for
yourself?
You have a winner but just dont yet realize it. 
And so many in fairfield are doing other practices and
dont judge you. There is a lot more to spirituality
than TM. MMY just never told us. We are only
responsible for ourselves. No  one can tell someone
how to have  a relationship with the Divine. We are
each on our own journey and as Ramakrishna has stated
There are as many paths as there are people.
BTW, Guru Dev's picture still graces my altar.


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[FairfieldLife] Re: Diksha teacher ejected from the dome

2006-07-31 Thread steven klayman
What poppycock
He doesnt practice deeksha. No one does. People are so
entrenched in doing, as if it will get you somewhere. 
It is the laying on of hands. period. The TMO would
toss Jesus out if he came by because he did the same
thing. 
Its like throwing a dentist out because he fills
teeth.
The rationalizations of the TMO are as bizarre as
actions of the TMO.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Diksha teacher ejected from the dome

2006-07-31 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 OK, what about the hustling out with no provocation?  Civil rights 
 violation?  Any lawyers here?
 
 Sal

Not a public place: by invitation only and the invitation was rescinded, etc...

 
 
 On Jul 31, 2006, at 5:58 PM, Rick Archer wrote:
 
  on 7/31/06 4:51 PM, Sal Sunshine at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Rick,
   It seems there's got to be some  illegalities here.  If they told him 
  in a letter or over the phone that he was accepted, and he shelled out 
  the course fee, transportation, room and board, etc., wouldn't doing 
  something like going to Small Claims Court be a possibility...to at 
  least recoup something? And it is legal for someone to come in and 
  forcefully hustle someone else out of a building, when they were no 
  threat to anybody else?   My guess is they are betting on the usual TM 
  spinelessness letting them get away with this, and that he'll prove 
  them right.
 
  He lives here, and I believe the course is free.  __








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Diksha teacher ejected from the dome

2006-07-31 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ 
 wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ 
 wrote:
   
on 7/31/06 1:12 AM, shempmcgurk at shempmcgurk@ wrote:
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%
   40yahoogroups.com
 , Rick Archer groups@ wrote:
 
  I mentioned earlier that former Purusha and now diksha 
   teacher David
  Bousfield had been admitted to the dome. Today, in the 
 middle 
   of
 program,
  two security guards ushered him out.
 
 
 Does he practise the TM Program regularly?
 
Yes.
 
 If yes, you should share the Hundreds of meditations MP3 
   audio in
 the files section with him and have him play it for the 
 muckety-
   mucks.

Don¹t know about that. A song?
   
   
   
   It's the audio from 1974 where Maharishi says one can do TM and 
   practise hundreds of other meditations at the same time.
   
   It's in our files section.
   
   
  
  As Judy likes to say non sequitor:
 
 
 
 
 What's a non-sequitor, Spare Egg, is someone who doesn't practise TM 
 regularly, continually playing the role of the TB cult member on 
 this forum.
 
 
 

Ah, so now YOU are the authority on who is or isn't a cult-member? Hard to tell 
when 
you're being ironic and when you're just being you...






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Diksha teacher ejected from the dome

2006-07-31 Thread Marek Reavis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
**SNIP**
  
  The campus is private property and campus officials can request a
  person to leave their property whenever they deem that someone is
  trespassing.  No shoes, no shirt, no service.  They can withdraw 
 their
  invitation at any time.  Not a civil rights violation; just a
  trespassing issue.
  
  If the person had paid money for certain privileges or services and
  then they were denied those privileges or services without credit
  (either in whole or prorated) then the person might sue for breach 
 of
  contract, but it seems that the course was free.
 
 
 What about the fact that the university receives federal funding? 
 Does that not put them within the scope of federal laws?
 
**END**

No, it's still a contract issue.  An agreement between the university
(or some other TMO entity) and the course participant; a contract of
some sort.  And maybe a provisional one that spells out that course
acceptance or participation is contingent upon some TMO
security/purity/worthiness clearance and that the TMO can call it off
whenever they feel like it.  Can't imagine that the TMO doesn't have
competent legal counsel for things like emergency spiritual crisis
course contracts.  I'd imagine it's pretty much boilerplate stuff that
absolves and holds blameless the university for anything.

Enforceability is another matter, but based on the pure fuzziness of
what is promised and/or anticipated in the whole premise of these
courses I believe that most courts would be very reluctant to get
involved.  Plus the money involved really isn't that great of an
amount so what lawyer is going to litigate it if there's no payoff.

The federal funding matter brings the university within the scope of
federal law as it relates to certain federal educational requirements.
 But I can't see how a course like this would relate to federal
funding.  Plus, what would be the protected group that these people
belong to that makes it a civil rights violation?  (Like race or
religion or gender status.)  These people get to practice whatever it
is that they do (whether religion or sadhana or however they
characterize it) but the university (or the TMO) is just telling them
that they can't do it whatever it is, there, on that course. 
Catholics don't let Muslims lead prayer services during their mass.

As Peter said before, it's the TMO's bat and ball.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Diksha teacher ejected from the dome

2006-07-31 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ wrote:
  
   on 7/31/06 11:38 AM, shempmcgurk at shempmcgurk@ wrote:


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%
 40yahoogroups.com
, Rick Archer groups@ wrote:

 on 7/31/06 6:30 AM, Peter at drpetersutphen@ wrote:
  
  
  David Bousfield! He was on Purusha when it first
  started. I'm amazed he became a diksha teacher.
  
 A couple of Purusha guys have done so, and others are 
 involved in
it, but
 haven¹t become teachers.


Sorry, I may have asked this before but could someone please 
 remind me
what Diksha is?

Is it done DURING the TM program...or is it done OUTSIDE of 
 the period
of program?

   Outside. It¹s a sort of spiritual energy transfer by laying on 
 of hands.
  
  
  Was the guy telling all his friends and customers that he was 
 soaking up the good vibes in 
  order to make his own diksha stronger? 
  
  There's plenty of plausible scenarios where the TMO would have a 
 good reason to deny 
  him access. 
 
 
 
 Boy, Spare Egg,  you could justify anything.
 

Nope. For instance, there was no justification in leaving that insane kid by 
himself while 
the dean of students went off to meditate. 


 
  
  BTW, was the guy in the middle of meditation when the security 
 guards asked him to leave 
  or was it before practice had started?
 







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Diksha teacher ejected from the dome

2006-07-31 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ 
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis 
  reavismarek@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine 
salsunshine@
   wrote:
   
OK, what about the hustling out with no provocation?  Civil 
  rights 
violation?  Any lawyers here?

Sal

   **
   
   The campus is private property and campus officials can 
request a
   person to leave their property whenever they deem that someone 
is
   trespassing.  No shoes, no shirt, no service.  They can 
withdraw 
  their
   invitation at any time.  Not a civil rights violation; just a
   trespassing issue.
   
   If the person had paid money for certain privileges or services
   and then they were denied those privileges or services without 
   credit (either in whole or prorated) then the person might sue 
   for breach of contract, but it seems that the course was free.
  
  What about the fact that the university receives federal 
funding? 
  Does that not put them within the scope of federal laws?
 
 What federal law did they break?


Assuming that they did (Marek has subsequently set me straight on 
this) it would have been the one that says you can't discriminate 
against someone based upon one's religion.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Diksha teacher ejected from the dome

2006-07-31 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 If I was doing group program someplace and some dude
 next to me was doing some other program, I'd say two
 things to him; 1)Why are you here doing a different
 program, and 2) Get the f*ck out of here, you retard.
 -Pter (I come in peace) S.



So would I.

But that's not the case here.



 
 --- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  on 7/31/06 2:06 PM, shempmcgurk at
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   I suggest that he inform the powers-that-be that
  he will continue to
   go to the Dome and if they stop him he will employ
  some of that non-
   violent resistance that some on this forum think
  so highly of.
   
  He could go to the dome but he would be physically
  barred from entering the
  doors. Security is pretty tight.
   
   He should also inform them that he will go to the
  press.  He should
   do this quietly so that he can let them save
  face...but he should do
   it forcefully and in no uncertain terms.
   
  He probably won¹t do this. He¹ll kiss the Movement
  goodbye, like most do. Or
  maybe he¹ll start a chat forum, like I did ;-)
  
 
 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Diksha teacher ejected from the dome

2006-07-30 Thread bob_brigante
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I mentioned earlier that former Purusha and now diksha teacher David
 Bousfield had been admitted to the dome. Today, in the middle of 
program,
 two security guards ushered him out.





Well, at least he only had a short drive back to Iowa City:


http://www.goiowacity.com/heartandsoul/bousfield.html






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Diksha teacher ejected from the dome

2006-07-30 Thread Rick Archer
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Diksha teacher ejected from the dome





on 7/30/06 11:08 PM, bob_brigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I mentioned earlier that former Purusha and now diksha teacher David
 Bousfield had been admitted to the dome. Today, in the middle of 
program,
 two security guards ushered him out.




Well, at least he only had a short drive back to Iowa City:

http://www.goiowacity.com/heartandsoul/bousfield.html

Different guy.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Diksha teacher ejected from the dome

2006-07-30 Thread heshiepothead
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I mentioned earlier that former Purusha and now diksha teacher David
 Bousfield had been admitted to the dome. Today, in the middle of
program,
 two security guards ushered him out.


It is truly hard to fathom that this is an organization that claims to
have the technology to promote world peace. It sounds like an episode
of  Law and Order.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Diksha teacher ejected from the dome

2006-07-30 Thread scienceofabundance
Rick: Do you  think that  this is because someone at MUM Admin saw 
your message earlier, or someone non-MUM saw it and reported it to MUM?

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ wrote:
 
  I mentioned earlier that former Purusha and now diksha teacher 
David
  Bousfield had been admitted to the dome. Today, in the middle of
 program,
  two security guards ushered him out.
 







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Diksha teacher ejected from the dome

2006-07-30 Thread Ingegerd
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I mentioned earlier that former Purusha and now diksha teacher David
 Bousfield had been admitted to the dome. Today, in the middle of 
program,
 two security guards ushered him out.

So much for the World Peace.
Ingegerd







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