[FairfieldLife] Re: Dozens killed by stampede at Kumbh Mela

2013-02-12 Thread Richard J. Williams
   Barry has an agenda, to discredit TM and TMers; his 
   attacks on India and Hinduism and Hindus are a 
   function of that agenda. Would he express the same 
   attitude if he didn't have the agenda?
  
  Barry's agenda is to discredit Judy, and anything she 
  supports. If that means putting down the TM practice, all 
  is fair game to Barry. In a nut shell, if Judy is for it,
  Barry is against it. It's that simple.
  
   Who knows?
  
  But, what is not so simple is the effect Judy has had on 
  Barry over the years. Now it's no longer enough to idolize 
  MMY and the Rama guy's cult - Barry is intent on being the
  anti-Judy cult leader.
  
  Go figure.
 
obbajeeba:
 You mean Barry is intent on being the anti-Judy cunt 
 leader?

No, Barry is not a 'cunt' - he's a cult leader
who went over to the anti-cult side and now 
he's got a new cult called the 'anti-Judy' cult.




Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dozens killed by stampede at Kumbh Mela

2013-02-11 Thread Ravi Chivukula
Dear Barry baby,

There's certainly truth in your opinion that these are primitive practices.

However as most posters here already know your opinions lack any sense of 
dispassionate analysis. Your opinions are tainted, corrupted by your paranoid, 
delusional, narcissistic tendencies, this perverted, sadistic subjectivity of 
yours.

Otherwise you would have tempered your opinions with the benefits of these 
traditions, these primitive practices, very alien to the modern, rational, 
progressive mind  - Kumbha Mela in this case.

You could have also presented examples of the camaraderie , the joy, love, 
sacrifice, friendship, kinship that people experience during this event, the 
oneness, connection to the higher energy people feel.

All religious beliefs, traditions, practices - the gods, goddesses are 
simplistic objectifications of the intensely subjective mystical energy, this 
mysterious, organic, dynamic energy. There is definitely value in these so 
called primitive traditions if one is open, aware, receptive.

So your opinion stinks, reeks of your perverse subjectivity and you are 
completely oblivious to it, completely oblivious that it's no different from 
the true believers I have seen and endured.

Love,
Ravi.

On Feb 10, 2013, at 11:39 PM, turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley wrote:
 
  My comment was facetious. The bit about major bridges on Interstate 
  highways is an obvious reference to the Minnesota bridge collapse.
 
 
 
 Which I'm sure (never having heard of it before) was a terrible event, also 
 caused by too many people stampeding across the bridge in a religious 
 fervor after having bathed in sewage. 
 
 On the other hand, the poor people killed in Minnesota didn't have the
 advantage of having had all of their sins washed away by bathing in the
 effluvia of so many holy men, and thus will probably reincarnate. And
 the survivors in Minnesota probably won't attain enlightenment in this
 life like the Ganges bathers will. 
 
 I stand on my original statement -- primitive people worshiping primitive 
 gods in a primitive land. If such a spectacle as the Kumbh Mela were 
 taking place in Africa, worshiping tribal river gods who were portrayed 
 in *their* scriptures as engaged in non-stop war and the stealing of each 
 others' wives (as are the Hindu/Vedic gods), people here on FFL would 
 consider it rank superstition, interesting only for the great number of 
 people who could possibly be *that* superstitious. But because the
 Kumbh Mela is in India, which has been glorified beyond reason to them
 by Maharishi for decades, they don't think bathing in sewage during an
 auspicious alignment of stars and planets is at *all* superstitious. It's 
 SCIENCE, doncha know. 
 
 Whatever. I'm gonna stick with rank superstition as the best explanation...
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, srijau@ wrote:
  
   reality check, you haven't got a clue about your own country
   
   http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/bridge-collapse-anniversary-safe-drivers-now/story?id=16907710
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote:
 
  To paraphrase Bob Dylan, And you ask why I don't go there...
  honey why do you even have to ask me that?
  
  http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/10/india-pitcher-festival-stampede-kumbh-mela_n_2658355.html
  
  Primitive people worshiping primitive gods in a primitive
  land. What can you expect?
 
 
 A bridge collapsed. Guess that could happen everywhere but doesn't
 fit into your hate-view og those darned Hindus.

Reality check, Nabs. Here in first world, superpower America, bridges 
never collapse, especially not major bridges on Interstate highways.
   
  
 
 


[FairfieldLife] Re: Dozens killed by stampede at Kumbh Mela

2013-02-11 Thread navashok
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula  wrote:
 
 You could have also presented examples of the camaraderie , the joy, love, 
 sacrifice, friendship, kinship that people experience during this event, the 
 oneness, connection to the higher energy people feel.
 
 All religious beliefs, traditions, practices - the gods, goddesses are 
 simplistic objectifications of the intensely subjective mystical energy, this 
 mysterious, organic, dynamic energy. There is definitely value in these so 
 called primitive traditions if one is open, aware, receptive.
 

I happened to be present at the last big Kumbh Mela in Allahabad in 2001, I was 
there on the very same main bathing day, the Mauni Amavasya, when there was an 
estimated number of 22 million on that day. In the morning of that day, when I 
awoke in the tent, I heard a humming sound, like that of bees, made up of the 
million voices resounding in the background. I have never heard a sound like 
this again. I think my desire to go there and be part of this event was a carry 
over of my old TM days. What you say is certainly true. One thing I could say 
about the 'sewage': The Ganga is much less of a sewage at this occasion than 
usual, at least this was the case in 2001, when the government put off complete 
industrial plants from having their sewage going into the river. I have never 
seen the Ganga as clean as at this time, also in Benares, where all the Naga 
Babas are going after the 15. of February to wait for Shivaratri, 10 of March 
if somebody still wants to make it. 

The atmosphere there, is also exhilarating because of the presence of all the 
Sadhus, Swamis and Yogis. It's not a quiet place, not a place for meditation, 
but there is also nothing just quite like it. Going from camp to camp, hearing 
different music, and seeing different stage performances in every camp. Since I 
was in India now, I actually thought of going, but then it was too much of a 
hassle, as I was in South India, and in North India it was actually quite cold. 
And all my sins have already been washed away last time ;-)



[FairfieldLife] Re: Dozens killed by stampede at Kumbh Mela

2013-02-11 Thread Ann
Ravi, you are one hard-hitting, potent guy when you want to be. And I loved 
every word of this, not because you were taking out Barry, but because what you 
said (and Share will love this) had the good old support of nature. Or, as 
Robin might conjecture, it contained more reality and thus more power and truth 
than the counterpoint to this. Plus, what you said was full of conviction and 
happened to agree with what I feel and think as well.

At any rate, I'm going to try and stay on your good side...

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula  wrote:

 Dear Barry baby,
 
 There's certainly truth in your opinion that these are primitive practices.
 
 However as most posters here already know your opinions lack any sense of 
 dispassionate analysis. Your opinions are tainted, corrupted by your 
 paranoid, delusional, narcissistic tendencies, this perverted, sadistic 
 subjectivity of yours.
 
 Otherwise you would have tempered your opinions with the benefits of these 
 traditions, these primitive practices, very alien to the modern, rational, 
 progressive mind  - Kumbha Mela in this case.
 
 You could have also presented examples of the camaraderie , the joy, love, 
 sacrifice, friendship, kinship that people experience during this event, the 
 oneness, connection to the higher energy people feel.
 
 All religious beliefs, traditions, practices - the gods, goddesses are 
 simplistic objectifications of the intensely subjective mystical energy, this 
 mysterious, organic, dynamic energy. There is definitely value in these so 
 called primitive traditions if one is open, aware, receptive.
 
 So your opinion stinks, reeks of your perverse subjectivity and you are 
 completely oblivious to it, completely oblivious that it's no different from 
 the true believers I have seen and endured.
 
 Love,
 Ravi.
 
 On Feb 10, 2013, at 11:39 PM, turquoiseb  wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley wrote:
  
   My comment was facetious. The bit about major bridges on Interstate 
   highways is an obvious reference to the Minnesota bridge collapse.
  
  
  
  Which I'm sure (never having heard of it before) was a terrible event, also 
  caused by too many people stampeding across the bridge in a religious 
  fervor after having bathed in sewage. 
  
  On the other hand, the poor people killed in Minnesota didn't have the
  advantage of having had all of their sins washed away by bathing in the
  effluvia of so many holy men, and thus will probably reincarnate. And
  the survivors in Minnesota probably won't attain enlightenment in this
  life like the Ganges bathers will. 
  
  I stand on my original statement -- primitive people worshiping primitive 
  gods in a primitive land. If such a spectacle as the Kumbh Mela were 
  taking place in Africa, worshiping tribal river gods who were portrayed 
  in *their* scriptures as engaged in non-stop war and the stealing of each 
  others' wives (as are the Hindu/Vedic gods), people here on FFL would 
  consider it rank superstition, interesting only for the great number of 
  people who could possibly be *that* superstitious. But because the
  Kumbh Mela is in India, which has been glorified beyond reason to them
  by Maharishi for decades, they don't think bathing in sewage during an
  auspicious alignment of stars and planets is at *all* superstitious. It's 
  SCIENCE, doncha know. 
  
  Whatever. I'm gonna stick with rank superstition as the best explanation...
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, srijau@ wrote:
   
reality check, you haven't got a clue about your own country

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/bridge-collapse-anniversary-safe-drivers-now/story?id=16907710

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote:
  
   To paraphrase Bob Dylan, And you ask why I don't go there...
   honey why do you even have to ask me that?
   
   http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/10/india-pitcher-festival-stampede-kumbh-mela_n_2658355.html
   
   Primitive people worshiping primitive gods in a primitive
   land. What can you expect?
  
  
  A bridge collapsed. Guess that could happen everywhere but doesn't
  fit into your hate-view og those darned Hindus.
 
 Reality check, Nabs. Here in first world, superpower America, bridges 
 never collapse, especially not major bridges on Interstate highways.

   
  
 





[FairfieldLife] Re: Dozens killed by stampede at Kumbh Mela

2013-02-11 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
(snip)
 I stand on my original statement -- primitive people worshiping
 primitive gods in a primitive land. If such a spectacle as the 
 Kumbh Mela were taking place in Africa, worshiping tribal river 
 gods who were portrayed in *their* scriptures as engaged in non-
 stop war and the stealing of each others' wives (as are the 
 Hindu/Vedic gods), people here on FFL would consider it rank 
 superstition, interesting only for the great number of people
 who could possibly be *that* superstitious.

You're sure of this, are you?

 But because the
 Kumbh Mela is in India, which has been glorified beyond reason
 to them by Maharishi for decades, they don't think bathing in 
 sewage during an auspicious alignment of stars and planets is
 at *all* superstitious. It's SCIENCE, doncha know.

How about this? Sure of this too?

Maybe you should consider the possibility that folks here
just aren't as bigoted as you are and find your putdowns 
of other cultures' religious beliefs and practices--
especially those of the cultures of dark-skinned people--
stupid and offensive.




Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dozens killed by stampede at Kumbh Mela

2013-02-11 Thread Bhairitu
My nephew drove over that bridge about 1/2 hour before it collapsed.  
Talk about car-ma.

On 02/10/2013 08:10 PM, Alex Stanley wrote:
 My comment was facetious. The bit about major bridges on Interstate highways 
 is an obvious reference to the Minnesota bridge collapse.

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, srijau@...  wrote:
 reality check, you haven't got a clue about your own country

 http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/bridge-collapse-anniversary-safe-drivers-now/story?id=16907710

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley  wrote:


 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:


 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
 To paraphrase Bob Dylan, And you ask why I don't go there...
 honey why do you even have to ask me that?

 http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/10/india-pitcher-festival-stampede-kumbh-mela_n_2658355.html

 Primitive people worshiping primitive gods in a primitive
 land. What can you expect?

 A bridge collapsed. Guess that could happen everywhere but doesn't
 fit into your hate-view og those darned Hindus.

 Reality check, Nabs. Here in first world, superpower America, bridges never 
 collapse, especially not major bridges on Interstate highways.






[FairfieldLife] Re: Dozens killed by stampede at Kumbh Mela

2013-02-11 Thread Alex Stanley


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend  wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
 (snip)
  I stand on my original statement -- primitive people worshiping
  primitive gods in a primitive land. If such a spectacle as the 
  Kumbh Mela were taking place in Africa, worshiping tribal river 
  gods who were portrayed in *their* scriptures as engaged in non-
  stop war and the stealing of each others' wives (as are the 
  Hindu/Vedic gods), people here on FFL would consider it rank 
  superstition, interesting only for the great number of people
  who could possibly be *that* superstitious.
 
 You're sure of this, are you?
 
  But because the
  Kumbh Mela is in India, which has been glorified beyond reason
  to them by Maharishi for decades, they don't think bathing in 
  sewage during an auspicious alignment of stars and planets is
  at *all* superstitious. It's SCIENCE, doncha know.
 
 How about this? Sure of this too?
 
 Maybe you should consider the possibility that folks here
 just aren't as bigoted as you are and find your putdowns 
 of other cultures' religious beliefs and practices--
 especially those of the cultures of dark-skinned people--
 stupid and offensive.


It's interesting how everyone has value judgments, myself included. I have to 
admit that I look down my nose at Walmart stampedes on Black Friday the way 
Barry looks down his nose at the India stampede. But, the simple reality is 
that infrastructure can fail and crowds can stampede *anywhere*. Suppose there 
were a festival seating stadium stampede because a hypothetical Bruce Cockburn 
actually had the talent and popularity to fill such a large venue; I can't 
imagine Barry having the same attitude about the concertgoers as he does about 
Indians at the Kumbh Mela.



[FairfieldLife] Re: Dozens killed by stampede at Kumbh Mela

2013-02-11 Thread authfriend


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley  wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend  wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
  (snip)
   I stand on my original statement -- primitive people worshiping
   primitive gods in a primitive land. If such a spectacle as the 
   Kumbh Mela were taking place in Africa, worshiping tribal river 
   gods who were portrayed in *their* scriptures as engaged in non-
   stop war and the stealing of each others' wives (as are the 
   Hindu/Vedic gods), people here on FFL would consider it rank 
   superstition, interesting only for the great number of people
   who could possibly be *that* superstitious.
  
  You're sure of this, are you?
  
   But because the
   Kumbh Mela is in India, which has been glorified beyond reason
   to them by Maharishi for decades, they don't think bathing in 
   sewage during an auspicious alignment of stars and planets is
   at *all* superstitious. It's SCIENCE, doncha know.
  
  How about this? Sure of this too?
  
  Maybe you should consider the possibility that folks here
  just aren't as bigoted as you are and find your putdowns 
  of other cultures' religious beliefs and practices--
  especially those of the cultures of dark-skinned people--
  stupid and offensive.
 
 
 It's interesting how everyone has value judgments, myself included. I have to 
 admit that I look down my nose at Walmart stampedes on Black Friday the way 
 Barry looks down his nose at the India stampede. But, the simple reality is 
 that infrastructure can fail and crowds can stampede *anywhere*. Suppose 
 there were a festival seating stadium stampede because a hypothetical Bruce 
 Cockburn actually had the talent and popularity to fill such a large venue; I 
 can't imagine Barry having the same attitude about the concertgoers as he 
 does about Indians at the Kumbh Mela.

Barry has an agenda, to discredit TM and TMers; his attacks
on India and Hinduism and Hindus are a function of that agenda.
Would he express the same attitude if he didn't have the agenda?
Who knows?





Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dozens killed by stampede at Kumbh Mela

2013-02-11 Thread Ravi Chivukula
Thanks dear Ann-a - ironically, I am on the same side of Barry on this. If
someone would ask me about Kumbha Mela, I would go - what's so spiritual
about taking a bath in dirty, polluted water and spending time around a
crazy, deranged crowd. Anyway Ann - I believe you should be everyone's good
side.

On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 6:26 AM, Ann awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote:

 **


 Ravi, you are one hard-hitting, potent guy when you want to be. And I
 loved every word of this, not because you were taking out Barry, but
 because what you said (and Share will love this) had the good old support
 of nature. Or, as Robin might conjecture, it contained more reality and
 thus more power and truth than the counterpoint to this. Plus, what you
 said was full of conviction and happened to agree with what I feel and
 think as well.

 At any rate, I'm going to try and stay on your good side...


 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula wrote:
 
  Dear Barry baby,
 
  There's certainly truth in your opinion that these are primitive
 practices.
 
  However as most posters here already know your opinions lack any sense
 of dispassionate analysis. Your opinions are tainted, corrupted by your
 paranoid, delusional, narcissistic tendencies, this perverted, sadistic
 subjectivity of yours.
 
  Otherwise you would have tempered your opinions with the benefits of
 these traditions, these primitive practices, very alien to the modern,
 rational, progressive mind - Kumbha Mela in this case.
 
  You could have also presented examples of the camaraderie , the joy,
 love, sacrifice, friendship, kinship that people experience during this
 event, the oneness, connection to the higher energy people feel.
 
  All religious beliefs, traditions, practices - the gods, goddesses are
 simplistic objectifications of the intensely subjective mystical energy,
 this mysterious, organic, dynamic energy. There is definitely value in
 these so called primitive traditions if one is open, aware, receptive.
 
  So your opinion stinks, reeks of your perverse subjectivity and you are
 completely oblivious to it, completely oblivious that it's no different
 from the true believers I have seen and endured.
 
  Love,
  Ravi.
 
  On Feb 10, 2013, at 11:39 PM, turquoiseb wrote:
 
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley wrote:
   
My comment was facetious. The bit about major bridges on Interstate
highways is an obvious reference to the Minnesota bridge collapse.
  
  
  
   Which I'm sure (never having heard of it before) was a terrible event,
 also
   caused by too many people stampeding across the bridge in a religious
   fervor after having bathed in sewage.
  
   On the other hand, the poor people killed in Minnesota didn't have the
   advantage of having had all of their sins washed away by bathing in the
   effluvia of so many holy men, and thus will probably reincarnate. And
   the survivors in Minnesota probably won't attain enlightenment in this
   life like the Ganges bathers will.
  
   I stand on my original statement -- primitive people worshiping
 primitive
   gods in a primitive land. If such a spectacle as the Kumbh Mela were
   taking place in Africa, worshiping tribal river gods who were
 portrayed
   in *their* scriptures as engaged in non-stop war and the stealing of
 each
   others' wives (as are the Hindu/Vedic gods), people here on FFL
 would
   consider it rank superstition, interesting only for the great number
 of
   people who could possibly be *that* superstitious. But because the
   Kumbh Mela is in India, which has been glorified beyond reason to them
   by Maharishi for decades, they don't think bathing in sewage during an
   auspicious alignment of stars and planets is at *all* superstitious.
 It's
   SCIENCE, doncha know.
  
   Whatever. I'm gonna stick with rank superstition as the best
 explanation...
  
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, srijau@ wrote:

 reality check, you haven't got a clue about your own country


 http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/bridge-collapse-anniversary-safe-drivers-now/story?id=16907710

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote:
   
To paraphrase Bob Dylan, And you ask why I don't go there...
honey why do you even have to ask me that?
   
   
 http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/10/india-pitcher-festival-stampede-kumbh-mela_n_2658355.html
   
Primitive people worshiping primitive gods in a primitive
land. What can you expect?
  
  
   A bridge collapsed. Guess that could happen everywhere but
 doesn't
   fit into your hate-view og those darned Hindus.
 
  Reality check, Nabs. Here in first world, superpower America,
 bridges never collapse, especially not major bridges on Interstate highways.
 

   
  
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dozens killed by stampede at Kumbh Mela

2013-02-11 Thread Buck


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley  wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend  wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
  (snip)
   I stand on my original statement -- primitive people worshiping
   primitive gods in a primitive land. If such a spectacle as the 
   Kumbh Mela were taking place in Africa, worshiping tribal river 
   gods who were portrayed in *their* scriptures as engaged in non-
   stop war and the stealing of each others' wives (as are the 
   Hindu/Vedic gods), people here on FFL would consider it rank 
   superstition, interesting only for the great number of people
   who could possibly be *that* superstitious.
  
  You're sure of this, are you?
  
   But because the
   Kumbh Mela is in India, which has been glorified beyond reason
   to them by Maharishi for decades, they don't think bathing in 
   sewage during an auspicious alignment of stars and planets is
   at *all* superstitious. It's SCIENCE, doncha know.
  
  How about this? Sure of this too?
  
  Maybe you should consider the possibility that folks here
  just aren't as bigoted as you are and find your putdowns 
  of other cultures' religious beliefs and practices--
  especially those of the cultures of dark-skinned people--
  stupid and offensive.
 
 
 It's interesting how everyone has value judgments, myself included. I have to 
 admit that I look down my nose at Walmart stampedes on Black Friday the way 
 Barry looks down his nose at the India stampede. But, the simple reality is 
 that infrastructure can fail and crowds can stampede *anywhere*. Suppose 
 there were a festival seating stadium stampede because a hypothetical Bruce 
 Cockburn actually had the talent and popularity to fill such a large venue; I 
 can't imagine Barry having the same attitude about the concertgoers as he 
 does about Indians at the Kumbh Mela.


Any word on any of our own people over there? Did any of our meditator sidhas 
die in the stampede over there?  There is a poster board in the dome that goes 
through the mathematical consequent of just one person missing the group effect 
produced of meditation in the Domes.  Suffice it to say that it would be a 
large shame if any of our people died site-seeing over there.
-Buck



[FairfieldLife] Re: Dozens killed by stampede at Kumbh Mela

2013-02-11 Thread Richard J. Williams


I stand on my original statement -- primitive people worshiping
primitive gods in a primitive land. If such a spectacle as the 
Kumbh Mela were taking place in Africa, worshiping tribal river 
gods who were portrayed in *their* scriptures as engaged in non-
stop war and the stealing of each others' wives (as are the 
Hindu/Vedic gods), people here on FFL would consider it rank 
superstition, interesting only for the great number of people
who could possibly be *that* superstitious.
   
   You're sure of this, are you?
   
But because the
Kumbh Mela is in India, which has been glorified beyond reason
to them by Maharishi for decades, they don't think bathing in 
sewage during an auspicious alignment of stars and planets is
at *all* superstitious. It's SCIENCE, doncha know.
   
   How about this? Sure of this too?
   
   Maybe you should consider the possibility that folks here
   just aren't as bigoted as you are and find your putdowns 
   of other cultures' religious beliefs and practices--
   especially those of the cultures of dark-skinned people--
   stupid and offensive.
  
  It's interesting how everyone has value judgments, myself included. I have 
  to admit that I look down my nose at Walmart stampedes on Black Friday the 
  way Barry looks down his nose at the India stampede. But, the simple 
  reality is that infrastructure can fail and crowds can stampede *anywhere*. 
  Suppose there were a festival seating stadium stampede because a 
  hypothetical Bruce Cockburn actually had the talent and popularity to fill 
  such a large venue; I can't imagine Barry having the same attitude about 
  the concertgoers as he does about Indians at the Kumbh Mela.

authfriend: 
 Barry has an agenda, to discredit TM and TMers; his attacks
 on India and Hinduism and Hindus are a function of that agenda.
 Would he express the same attitude if he didn't have the agenda?

Barry's agenda is to discredit Judy, and anything she 
supports. If that means putting down the TM practice, all 
is fair game to Barry. In a nut shell, if Judy is for it,
Barry is against it. It's that simple.

 Who knows?

But, what is not so simple is the effect Judy has had on 
Barry over the years. Now it's no longer enough to idolize 
MMY and the Rama guy's cult - Barry is intent on being the
anti-Judy cult leader.

Go figure.



[FairfieldLife] Re: Dozens killed by stampede at Kumbh Mela

2013-02-11 Thread obbajeeba


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams  wrote:

 
 
 I stand on my original statement -- primitive people worshiping
 primitive gods in a primitive land. If such a spectacle as the 
 Kumbh Mela were taking place in Africa, worshiping tribal river 
 gods who were portrayed in *their* scriptures as engaged in non-
 stop war and the stealing of each others' wives (as are the 
 Hindu/Vedic gods), people here on FFL would consider it rank 
 superstition, interesting only for the great number of people
 who could possibly be *that* superstitious.

You're sure of this, are you?

 But because the
 Kumbh Mela is in India, which has been glorified beyond reason
 to them by Maharishi for decades, they don't think bathing in 
 sewage during an auspicious alignment of stars and planets is
 at *all* superstitious. It's SCIENCE, doncha know.

How about this? Sure of this too?

Maybe you should consider the possibility that folks here
just aren't as bigoted as you are and find your putdowns 
of other cultures' religious beliefs and practices--
especially those of the cultures of dark-skinned people--
stupid and offensive.
   
   It's interesting how everyone has value judgments, myself included. I 
   have to admit that I look down my nose at Walmart stampedes on Black 
   Friday the way Barry looks down his nose at the India stampede. But, the 
   simple reality is that infrastructure can fail and crowds can stampede 
   *anywhere*. Suppose there were a festival seating stadium stampede 
   because a hypothetical Bruce Cockburn actually had the talent and 
   popularity to fill such a large venue; I can't imagine Barry having the 
   same attitude about the concertgoers as he does about Indians at the 
   Kumbh Mela.
 
 authfriend: 
  Barry has an agenda, to discredit TM and TMers; his attacks
  on India and Hinduism and Hindus are a function of that agenda.
  Would he express the same attitude if he didn't have the agenda?
 
 Barry's agenda is to discredit Judy, and anything she 
 supports. If that means putting down the TM practice, all 
 is fair game to Barry. In a nut shell, if Judy is for it,
 Barry is against it. It's that simple.
 
  Who knows?
 
 But, what is not so simple is the effect Judy has had on 
 Barry over the years. Now it's no longer enough to idolize 
 MMY and the Rama guy's cult - Barry is intent on being the
 anti-Judy cult leader.
 
 Go figure.

You mean Barry is intent on being the anti-Judy cunt leader?




[FairfieldLife] Re: Dozens killed by stampede at Kumbh Mela

2013-02-10 Thread nablusoss1008


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:

 To paraphrase Bob Dylan, And you ask why I don't go there...
 honey why do you even have to ask me that?
 
 http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/10/india-pitcher-festival-stampede-kumbh-mela_n_2658355.html
 
 Primitive people worshiping primitive gods in a primitive
 land. What can you expect?


A bridge collapsed. Guess that could happen everywhere but doesn't fit into 
your hate-view og those darned Hindus.



[FairfieldLife] Re: Dozens killed by stampede at Kumbh Mela

2013-02-10 Thread nablusoss1008


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
 
  To paraphrase Bob Dylan, And you ask why I don't go there...
  honey why do you even have to ask me that?
  
  http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/10/india-pitcher-festival-stampede-kumbh-mela_n_2658355.html
  
  Primitive people worshiping primitive gods in a primitive
  land. What can you expect?
 
 
 A bridge collapsed. Guess that could happen everywhere but doesn't fit into 
 your hate-view og those darned Hindus.

Those PRIMITIVE Hindus. Stupid enough to give shelter to your holyman who was 
so scared of staying in his homeland Tibet that he sought protection from those 
primitive people never to return leaving his country and culture to be raped by 
the Chinese.



[FairfieldLife] Re: Dozens killed by stampede at Kumbh Mela

2013-02-10 Thread Alex Stanley


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
 
  To paraphrase Bob Dylan, And you ask why I don't go there...
  honey why do you even have to ask me that?
  
  http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/10/india-pitcher-festival-stampede-kumbh-mela_n_2658355.html
  
  Primitive people worshiping primitive gods in a primitive
  land. What can you expect?
 
 
 A bridge collapsed. Guess that could happen everywhere but doesn't
 fit into your hate-view og those darned Hindus.


Reality check, Nabs. Here in first world, superpower America, bridges never 
collapse, especially not major bridges on Interstate highways. 






[FairfieldLife] Re: Dozens killed by stampede at Kumbh Mela

2013-02-10 Thread nablusoss1008


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley  wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
 
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
  
   To paraphrase Bob Dylan, And you ask why I don't go there...
   honey why do you even have to ask me that?
   
   http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/10/india-pitcher-festival-stampede-kumbh-mela_n_2658355.html
   
   Primitive people worshiping primitive gods in a primitive
   land. What can you expect?
  
  
  A bridge collapsed. Guess that could happen everywhere but doesn't
  fit into your hate-view og those darned Hindus.
 
 
 Reality check, Nabs. Here in first world, superpower America, bridges never 
 collapse, especially not major bridges on Interstate highways.

That's right, and Holland isn't drowning due to global warming either.  
Thinking of floods; Vlodrop could be one of a few dutch places that will be 
dry, perhaps the Turq has to seek refuge there amongst the Hindu's :-)



[FairfieldLife] Re: Dozens killed by stampede at Kumbh Mela

2013-02-10 Thread srijau
reality check, you haven't got a clue about your own country

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/bridge-collapse-anniversary-safe-drivers-now/story?id=16907710

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley  wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
 
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
  
   To paraphrase Bob Dylan, And you ask why I don't go there...
   honey why do you even have to ask me that?
   
   http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/10/india-pitcher-festival-stampede-kumbh-mela_n_2658355.html
   
   Primitive people worshiping primitive gods in a primitive
   land. What can you expect?
  
  
  A bridge collapsed. Guess that could happen everywhere but doesn't
  fit into your hate-view og those darned Hindus.
 
 
 Reality check, Nabs. Here in first world, superpower America, bridges never 
 collapse, especially not major bridges on Interstate highways.





[FairfieldLife] Re: Dozens killed by stampede at Kumbh Mela

2013-02-10 Thread Alex Stanley
My comment was facetious. The bit about major bridges on Interstate highways is 
an obvious reference to the Minnesota bridge collapse.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, srijau@...  wrote:

 reality check, you haven't got a clue about your own country
 
 http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/bridge-collapse-anniversary-safe-drivers-now/story?id=16907710
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley  wrote:
 
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
  
   
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
   
To paraphrase Bob Dylan, And you ask why I don't go there...
honey why do you even have to ask me that?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/10/india-pitcher-festival-stampede-kumbh-mela_n_2658355.html

Primitive people worshiping primitive gods in a primitive
land. What can you expect?
   
   
   A bridge collapsed. Guess that could happen everywhere but doesn't
   fit into your hate-view og those darned Hindus.
  
  
  Reality check, Nabs. Here in first world, superpower America, bridges never 
  collapse, especially not major bridges on Interstate highways.
 





[FairfieldLife] Re: Dozens killed by stampede at Kumbh Mela

2013-02-10 Thread srijau
where was the obvious part?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley  wrote:

 My comment was facetious. The bit about major bridges on Interstate highways 
 is an obvious reference to the Minnesota bridge collapse.
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, srijau@  wrote:
 
  reality check, you haven't got a clue about your own country
  
  http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/bridge-collapse-anniversary-safe-drivers-now/story?id=16907710
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley  wrote:
  
   
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
   


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:

 To paraphrase Bob Dylan, And you ask why I don't go there...
 honey why do you even have to ask me that?
 
 http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/10/india-pitcher-festival-stampede-kumbh-mela_n_2658355.html
 
 Primitive people worshiping primitive gods in a primitive
 land. What can you expect?


A bridge collapsed. Guess that could happen everywhere but doesn't
fit into your hate-view og those darned Hindus.
   
   
   Reality check, Nabs. Here in first world, superpower America, bridges 
   never collapse, especially not major bridges on Interstate highways.
  
 





[FairfieldLife] Re: Dozens killed by stampede at Kumbh Mela

2013-02-10 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, srijau@...  wrote:

 where was the obvious part?

This part:

   Reality check, Nabs. Here in first world, superpower
   America, bridges never collapse, especially not major
   bridges on Interstate highways.

What do you mean, which part? What I just quoted was his
entire post.

Alex was tweaking Barry by pretending to disagree with
Nabby that bridge collapses can occur in the U.S.





 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley  wrote:
 
  My comment was facetious. The bit about major bridges on Interstate 
  highways is an obvious reference to the Minnesota bridge collapse.
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, srijau@  wrote:
  
   reality check, you haven't got a clue about your own country
   
   http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/bridge-collapse-anniversary-safe-drivers-now/story?id=16907710
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley  wrote:
   


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
 
  To paraphrase Bob Dylan, And you ask why I don't go there...
  honey why do you even have to ask me that?
  
  http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/10/india-pitcher-festival-stampede-kumbh-mela_n_2658355.html
  
  Primitive people worshiping primitive gods in a primitive
  land. What can you expect?
 
 
 A bridge collapsed. Guess that could happen everywhere but doesn't
 fit into your hate-view og those darned Hindus.


Reality check, Nabs. Here in first world, superpower America, bridges 
never collapse, especially not major bridges on Interstate highways.
   
  
 





[FairfieldLife] Re: Dozens killed by stampede at Kumbh Mela

2013-02-10 Thread turquoiseb
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley  wrote:

 My comment was facetious. The bit about major bridges on Interstate
 highways is an obvious reference to the Minnesota bridge collapse.

  [PHOTO: The I-35W bridge over the Mississippi River which collapsed
August 1, 2007, in Minneapolis Minnesota.]

Which I'm sure (never having heard of it before) was a terrible event,
also
caused by too many people stampeding across the bridge in a religious
fervor after having bathed in sewage.

On the other hand, the poor people killed in Minnesota didn't have the
advantage of having had all of their sins washed away by bathing in the
effluvia of so many holy men, and thus will probably reincarnate. And
the survivors in Minnesota probably won't attain enlightenment in this
life like the Ganges bathers will.

I stand on my original statement -- primitive people worshiping
primitive
gods in a primitive land. If such a spectacle as the Kumbh Mela were
taking place in Africa, worshiping tribal river gods who were portrayed
in *their* scriptures as engaged in non-stop war and the stealing of
each
others' wives (as are the Hindu/Vedic gods), people here on FFL would
consider it rank superstition, interesting only for the great number of
people who could possibly be *that* superstitious. But because the
Kumbh Mela is in India, which has been glorified beyond reason to them
by Maharishi for decades, they don't think bathing in sewage during an
auspicious alignment of stars and planets is at *all* superstitious.
It's
SCIENCE, doncha know.

Whatever. I'm gonna stick with rank superstition as the best
explanation...

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, srijau@  wrote:
 
  reality check, you haven't got a clue about your own country
 
 
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/bridge-collapse-anniversary-safe-drivers-n\
ow/story?id=16907710
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley  wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:

 To paraphrase Bob Dylan, And you ask why I don't go there...
 honey why do you even have to ask me that?


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/10/india-pitcher-festival-stampede\
-kumbh-mela_n_2658355.html

 Primitive people worshiping primitive gods in a primitive
 land. What can you expect?
   
   
A bridge collapsed. Guess that could happen everywhere but
doesn't
fit into your hate-view og those darned Hindus.
  
   Reality check, Nabs. Here in first world, superpower America,
bridges never collapse, especially not major bridges on Interstate
highways.