[FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightenment WELL STATED BUCK
Look at thy inner self with the eyes of the spirit, and ask thyself whether thou art content with thyself. What hast thou attained relying on reason only? What art thou? You are young or old, you are rich or poor, you are clever or not, you are well educated or not. And what have you done with all the good gifts? Are you content with yourself and with your life? No, you are unhappy? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Thou hatest it? Then change it, purify thyself; and as thou art purified, thou wilt gain wisdom. Look at your life, my dear fellows. How have you spent it? In riotous orgies and debauchery, receiving everything from society and giving nothing in return. You have become the possessor of earthly wealth. How have you used it? What have you done for your neighbor? Have you ever thought of your tens of thousands? Have you helped them physically and morally? No! You have profited by toil to lead a profligate life. That is what you have done. Have you chosen a post in life in which you might be of service to your neighbor? No! You have spent your life in idleness. You say you do not know the Unified Field and hate your life. There is nothing strange in that, my dear fellows! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: My dear fellows--taking on yourselves responsibility for your own guidance; and what have you done? You have not helped to find the way of truth, my dear fellows, but have thrust into an abyss of deceit and misery. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: It is not to be apprehended by reason, but by life. The highest wisdom and truth are like the purest liquid we may wish to imbibe. Can I receive that pure liquid into an impure vessel and judge of its purity? Only by the inner purification of thyself can thee retain in some degree of purity the liquid I receive. It is free Grace. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: If It were not, you and I would not be speaking of It. Of what, of whom, are we speaking? Who invented It, if It did not exist? Whence came their conception of the existence of such an incomprehensible Being? Didst they, and why did the whole world, conceive the idea of the existence of such an incomprehensible Being, a Being all-powerful, eternal, and infinite in all Its attributes, a Unified Field? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: It exists, but to understand It is hard. If it were a man whose existence they doubt I could bring him to them, could take him by the hand and show him to them. But how can I, an insignificant mortal, show Its omnipotence, Its infinity, and all Its mercy to them who are blind, or who shut their eyes that they may not see or understand It and may not see or understand their own vileness and sinfulness? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Who art thou? They dreamest that they art wise because they could publish their blasphemous words, and are more foolish and unreasonable than a little child, who, playing with the parts of a skillfully made watch, dares to say that, as he does not understand its use, he does not believe in the master who made it. To know Him is hard For ages, from our forefather Adam to our own day, we labor to attain that knowledge and are still infinitely far from our aim; but in our lack of understanding we see only our weakness and It's greatness. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: It is pitiable, they 'know' It not and such they are very unhappy. They do not know It, but It is here, It is in me, It is in my words, It is in thee, and even in those blasphemous words they have just published! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Yes, of course theses two fellows publishing here do not 'know' It as they wish, one cannot 'know' It. They do not 'know' It and that is why they are unhappy. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Yes, no one attains to truth by himself. Only by laying stone on stone with the cooperation of all, by the millions of generations from our forefathers to our own times, is that temple reared which is to be a worthy dwelling place of the Great God the Unified Field --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WLeed3@ wrote: Thanks for this reply Buck a host of Ur other reply's here in polite respect to YOU all here in this form! In a message dated 1/13/2013 8:25:20 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, Buck writes: Oh you
[FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightenment WELL STATED BUCK
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: My dear fellows--taking on yourselves responsibility for your own guidance; and what have you done? You have not helped to find the way of truth, my dear fellows, but have thrust into an abyss of deceit and misery. Buck, at some point in this business, you are on your own, no one can guide you to what you need to know; you have to find out for yourself. This is part of what 'self-sufficiency' means. At this point things you need to know just come to you - an experience, a phrase in a book, someone says something just at the right moment. You are beyond seeking, but you still are experiencing 'movement' to greater clarity, and these tidbits that filter in are food for that clarity. The people, things, practices, traditions that brought you to this point are gone, transcended, you remember them fondly, not with rancor.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightenment WELL STATED BUCK
Thou hatest it? Then change it, purify thyself; and as thou art purified, thou wilt gain wisdom. Look at your life, my dear fellows. How have you spent it? In riotous orgies and debauchery, receiving everything from society and giving nothing in return. You have become the possessor of earthly wealth. How have you used it? What have you done for your neighbor? Have you ever thought of your tens of thousands? Have you helped them physically and morally? No! You have profited by toil to lead a profligate life. That is what you have done. Have you chosen a post in life in which you might be of service to your neighbor? No! You have spent your life in idleness. You say you do not know the Unified Field and hate your life. There is nothing strange in that, my dear fellows! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: My dear fellows--taking on yourselves responsibility for your own guidance; and what have you done? You have not helped to find the way of truth, my dear fellows, but have thrust into an abyss of deceit and misery. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: It is not to be apprehended by reason, but by life. The highest wisdom and truth are like the purest liquid we may wish to imbibe. Can I receive that pure liquid into an impure vessel and judge of its purity? Only by the inner purification of thyself can thee retain in some degree of purity the liquid I receive. It is free Grace. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: If It were not, you and I would not be speaking of It. Of what, of whom, are we speaking? Who invented It, if It did not exist? Whence came their conception of the existence of such an incomprehensible Being? Didst they, and why did the whole world, conceive the idea of the existence of such an incomprehensible Being, a Being all-powerful, eternal, and infinite in all Its attributes, a Unified Field? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: It exists, but to understand It is hard. If it were a man whose existence they doubt I could bring him to them, could take him by the hand and show him to them. But how can I, an insignificant mortal, show Its omnipotence, Its infinity, and all Its mercy to them who are blind, or who shut their eyes that they may not see or understand It and may not see or understand their own vileness and sinfulness? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Who art thou? They dreamest that they art wise because they could publish their blasphemous words, and are more foolish and unreasonable than a little child, who, playing with the parts of a skillfully made watch, dares to say that, as he does not understand its use, he does not believe in the master who made it. To know Him is hard For ages, from our forefather Adam to our own day, we labor to attain that knowledge and are still infinitely far from our aim; but in our lack of understanding we see only our weakness and It's greatness. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: It is pitiable, they 'know' It not and such they are very unhappy. They do not know It, but It is here, It is in me, It is in my words, It is in thee, and even in those blasphemous words they have just published! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Yes, of course theses two fellows publishing here do not 'know' It as they wish, one cannot 'know' It. They do not 'know' It and that is why they are unhappy. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Yes, no one attains to truth by himself. Only by laying stone on stone with the cooperation of all, by the millions of generations from our forefathers to our own times, is that temple reared which is to be a worthy dwelling place of the Great God the Unified Field --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WLeed3@ wrote: Thanks for this reply Buck a host of Ur other reply's here in polite respect to YOU all here in this form! In a message dated 1/13/2013 8:25:20 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, Buck writes: Oh you fellows just assume no paths lead toward an awakening for people nor continue on and that it is not self evident along the ways of a path. That is your experience and what poor experience. It is blasphemous rattle and argue what you are saying the way you contend it and having to denigrate the awakened you see as your opponents as you go. Yours is a sad commentary here on your selves. However, every day we
[FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightenment WELL STATED BUCK
My dear fellows--taking on yourselves responsibility for your own guidance; and what have you done? You have not helped to find the way of truth, my dear fellows, but have thrust into an abyss of deceit and misery. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: It is not to be apprehended by reason, but by life. The highest wisdom and truth are like the purest liquid we may wish to imbibe. Can I receive that pure liquid into an impure vessel and judge of its purity? Only by the inner purification of thyself can thee retain in some degree of purity the liquid I receive. It is free Grace. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: If It were not, you and I would not be speaking of It. Of what, of whom, are we speaking? Who invented It, if It did not exist? Whence came their conception of the existence of such an incomprehensible Being? Didst they, and why did the whole world, conceive the idea of the existence of such an incomprehensible Being, a Being all-powerful, eternal, and infinite in all Its attributes, a Unified Field? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: It exists, but to understand It is hard. If it were a man whose existence they doubt I could bring him to them, could take him by the hand and show him to them. But how can I, an insignificant mortal, show Its omnipotence, Its infinity, and all Its mercy to them who are blind, or who shut their eyes that they may not see or understand It and may not see or understand their own vileness and sinfulness? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Who art thou? They dreamest that they art wise because they could publish their blasphemous words, and are more foolish and unreasonable than a little child, who, playing with the parts of a skillfully made watch, dares to say that, as he does not understand its use, he does not believe in the master who made it. To know Him is hard For ages, from our forefather Adam to our own day, we labor to attain that knowledge and are still infinitely far from our aim; but in our lack of understanding we see only our weakness and It's greatness. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: It is pitiable, they 'know' It not and such they are very unhappy. They do not know It, but It is here, It is in me, It is in my words, It is in thee, and even in those blasphemous words they have just published! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Yes, of course theses two fellows publishing here do not 'know' It as they wish, one cannot 'know' It. They do not 'know' It and that is why they are unhappy. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Yes, no one attains to truth by himself. Only by laying stone on stone with the cooperation of all, by the millions of generations from our forefathers to our own times, is that temple reared which is to be a worthy dwelling place of the Great God the Unified Field --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WLeed3@ wrote: Thanks for this reply Buck a host of Ur other reply's here in polite respect to YOU all here in this form! In a message dated 1/13/2013 8:25:20 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, Buck writes: Oh you fellows just assume no paths lead toward an awakening for people nor continue on and that it is not self evident along the ways of a path. That is your experience and what poor experience. It is blasphemous rattle and argue what you are saying the way you contend it and having to denigrate the awakened you see as your opponents as you go. Yours is a sad commentary here on your selves. However, every day we are learning more about the benefits of meditation: physical and mental well-being, compassion, patience, calming, a more flexible mind, strengthened immune system, sharper memory-it;'s extraordinary. Meditation. First ecstasy, then the laundry. Git to it, -Buck in the Dome --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: Thought I would offer this for purposes of discussion. These are my own beliefs at this time: From the teachings or musings if you will of people like Eckhart Tolle and Anita Moorjani, Adyashanti one has to believe that the whole thing about enlightenment and the whole schtick that goes with it is complete made up
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightenment WELL STATED BUCK
Thanks for this reply Buck a host of Ur other reply's here in polite respect to YOU all here in this form! In a message dated 1/13/2013 8:25:20 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com writes: Oh you fellows just assume no paths lead toward an awakening for people nor continue on and that it is not self evident along the ways of a path. That is your experience and what poor experience. It is blasphemous rattle and argue what you are saying the way you contend it and having to denigrate the awakened you see as your opponents as you go. Yours is a sad commentary here on your selves. However, every day we are learning more about the benefits of meditation: physical and mental well-being, compassion, patience, calming, a more flexible mind, strengthened immune system, sharper memory-it;'s extraordinary. Meditation. First ecstasy, then the laundry. Git to it, -Buck in the Dome --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: Thought I would offer this for purposes of discussion. These are my own beliefs at this time: From the teachings or musings if you will of people like Eckhart Tolle and Anita Moorjani, Adyashanti one has to believe that the whole thing about enlightenment and the whole schtick that goes with it is complete made up bullshit. Not necessarily. There are other explanations for the concept of a path to enlightenment that don't require us to think ill of those who proposed one. If for no other reason, humans have a tendency to need explanations or reasons for things that Just Happen. So *something* happens -- something unknown, and probably unknowable -- and someone pops into the state of attention that they have previously been told is enlightenment, or at the very least enlightenment-like. As for *HOW* it happened, or *WHY*, the most human tendency is to think, What was I doing before it happened? That must have had something to do with it happening. If I figure out what that was, I can tell others about this thing that I did and they can do it, too, and experience what I am experiencing. The trouble with this, of course, is that no thing they did had anything to do with them realizing their always- already-present enlightenment. But if they associate it with meditating just before they realized it, they might create a path based on meditation. If they flashed out shortly after thinking fondly of their teacher, they might come up with a path based on bhakti and devotion. If they realized their enlightenment while having sex, they might even come up with a path based on sex. The trouble is that there was never any path for them, and so anything they come up with won't really work for anyone else, either. Some meditation teachers like to teach that enlightenment is something that is achievable in this lifetime, but in truth it is already here, covered over by egoic perception. Maharishi was particularly prone to promulgate this idea that enlightenment was something to precious and rare that needed to be pursued, to be chased, and he and teachers like him do that to be able to get more people to buy their nosturms. This part I agree with. Once having bought into the path presented to them -- probably by *their* teacher -- they continue to sell it. When the selling starts to make them money, and puff up their egos, they sell it even harder, to perpetuate the attention feed. And to sell a path, one pretty much has to glorify the supposed goal or end point of the supposed path. But evidently what we have called enlightenment is our natural state must by virtue of being, just by being. You don't have to go anywhere or do anything to become this state of awareness or being, but just be. While this is true, if someone had told it to you, would that have WORKED for you, to get you to realize this state yourself? I doubt that it would. Whatever was preventing you from realizing it before (*NOT* MMY''s idea of stress, which I think is bullshit) is still in place, and until you drop that you can't realize the always- already-present nature of yourself. But does that make paths BAD? I don't think so. They give people *something to do*, something that they believe is leading them in a better direction. The fact that these things they're doing that they consider sadhana will probably not have much effect on their own realization may *be* a fact, but it keeps people off the streets. :-) It must mean that meditation and seeking will never lead to the experience of enlightenment, and when most people talk about their enlightenment they are referring to a fluctuating experience of consciousness. I wouldn't go so far as to say that meditation and seeking will never lead to them
[FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightenment WELL STATED BUCK
Yes, well we know their outlook,and the view of life they mention, and which they think is the result of their own mental efforts, is the one held by the majority of people, and is the invariable fruit of pride, indolence, and ignorance. Forgive me but if I had not known it I should not have addressed this here. Their view of life is a regrettable delusion. -Buck in the Dome --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WLeed3@... wrote: Thanks for this reply Buck a host of Ur other reply's here in polite respect to YOU all here in this form! In a message dated 1/13/2013 8:25:20 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, Buck writes: Oh you fellows just assume no paths lead toward an awakening for people nor continue on and that it is not self evident along the ways of a path. That is your experience and what poor experience. It is blasphemous rattle and argue what you are saying the way you contend it and having to denigrate the awakened you see as your opponents as you go. Yours is a sad commentary here on your selves. However, every day we are learning more about the benefits of meditation: physical and mental well-being, compassion, patience, calming, a more flexible mind, strengthened immune system, sharper memory-it;'s extraordinary. Meditation. First ecstasy, then the laundry. Git to it, -Buck in the Dome --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: Thought I would offer this for purposes of discussion. These are my own beliefs at this time: From the teachings or musings if you will of people like Eckhart Tolle and Anita Moorjani, Adyashanti one has to believe that the whole thing about enlightenment and the whole schtick that goes with it is complete made up bullshit. Not necessarily. There are other explanations for the concept of a path to enlightenment that don't require us to think ill of those who proposed one. If for no other reason, humans have a tendency to need explanations or reasons for things that Just Happen. So *something* happens -- something unknown, and probably unknowable -- and someone pops into the state of attention that they have previously been told is enlightenment, or at the very least enlightenment-like. As for *HOW* it happened, or *WHY*, the most human tendency is to think, What was I doing before it happened? That must have had something to do with it happening. If I figure out what that was, I can tell others about this thing that I did and they can do it, too, and experience what I am experiencing. The trouble with this, of course, is that no thing they did had anything to do with them realizing their always- already-present enlightenment. But if they associate it with meditating just before they realized it, they might create a path based on meditation. If they flashed out shortly after thinking fondly of their teacher, they might come up with a path based on bhakti and devotion. If they realized their enlightenment while having sex, they might even come up with a path based on sex. The trouble is that there was never any path for them, and so anything they come up with won't really work for anyone else, either. Some meditation teachers like to teach that enlightenment is something that is achievable in this lifetime, but in truth it is already here, covered over by egoic perception. Maharishi was particularly prone to promulgate this idea that enlightenment was something to precious and rare that needed to be pursued, to be chased, and he and teachers like him do that to be able to get more people to buy their nosturms. This part I agree with. Once having bought into the path presented to them -- probably by *their* teacher -- they continue to sell it. When the selling starts to make them money, and puff up their egos, they sell it even harder, to perpetuate the attention feed. And to sell a path, one pretty much has to glorify the supposed goal or end point of the supposed path. But evidently what we have called enlightenment is our natural state must by virtue of being, just by being. You don't have to go anywhere or do anything to become this state of awareness or being, but just be. While this is true, if someone had told it to you, would that have WORKED for you, to get you to realize this state yourself? I doubt that it would. Whatever was preventing you from realizing it before (*NOT* MMY''s idea of stress, which I think is bullshit) is still in place, and until you drop that you can't realize the always- already-present nature of yourself. But does that make paths BAD? I don't think so. They give people *something to do*, something that they believe is leading them in a
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightenment WELL STATED BUCK
Ummm, I am not sure what people you are talking about, do you mean people who think TM won't get youto enlightenment, or people like Eckhart, Adyashanti, Ramana Maharishi etc. who think no kind of meditation will lead to enlightenment? From: Buck dhamiltony...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2013 8:57 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightenment WELL STATED BUCK Yes, well we know their outlook,and the view of life they mention, and which they think is the result of their own mental efforts, is the one held by the majority of people, and is the invariable fruit of pride, indolence, and ignorance. Forgive me but if I had not known it I should not have addressed this here. Their view of life is a regrettable delusion. -Buck in the Dome --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WLeed3@... wrote: Thanks for this reply Buck a host of Ur other reply's here in polite respect to YOU all here in this form! In a message dated 1/13/2013 8:25:20 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, Buck writes: Oh you fellows just assume no paths lead toward an awakening for people nor continue on and that it is not self evident along the ways of a path. That is your experience and what poor experience. It is blasphemous rattle and argue what you are saying the way you contend it and having to denigrate the awakened you see as your opponents as you go. Yours is a sad commentary here on your selves. However, every day we are learning more about the benefits of meditation: physical and mental well-being, compassion, patience, calming, a more flexible mind, strengthened immune system, sharper memory-it;'s extraordinary. Meditation. First ecstasy, then the laundry. Git to it, -Buck in the Dome --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: Thought I would offer this for purposes of discussion. These are my own beliefs at this time: From the teachings or musings if you will of people like Eckhart Tolle and Anita Moorjani, Adyashanti one has to believe that the whole thing about enlightenment and the whole schtick that goes with it is complete made up bullshit. Not necessarily. There are other explanations for the concept of a path to enlightenment that don't require us to think ill of those who proposed one. If for no other reason, humans have a tendency to need explanations or reasons for things that Just Happen. So *something* happens -- something unknown, and probably unknowable -- and someone pops into the state of attention that they have previously been told is enlightenment, or at the very least enlightenment-like. As for *HOW* it happened, or *WHY*, the most human tendency is to think, What was I doing before it happened? That must have had something to do with it happening. If I figure out what that was, I can tell others about this thing that I did and they can do it, too, and experience what I am experiencing. The trouble with this, of course, is that no thing they did had anything to do with them realizing their always- already-present enlightenment. But if they associate it with meditating just before they realized it, they might create a path based on meditation. If they flashed out shortly after thinking fondly of their teacher, they might come up with a path based on bhakti and devotion. If they realized their enlightenment while having sex, they might even come up with a path based on sex. The trouble is that there was never any path for them, and so anything they come up with won't really work for anyone else, either. Some meditation teachers like to teach that enlightenment is something that is achievable in this lifetime, but in truth it is already here, covered over by egoic perception. Maharishi was particularly prone to promulgate this idea that enlightenment was something to precious and rare that needed to be pursued, to be chased, and he and teachers like him do that to be able to get more people to buy their nosturms. This part I agree with. Once having bought into the path presented to them -- probably by *their* teacher -- they continue to sell it. When the selling starts to make them money, and puff up their egos, they sell it even harder, to perpetuate the attention feed. And to sell a path, one pretty much has to glorify the supposed goal or end point of the supposed path. But evidently what we have called enlightenment is our natural state must by virtue of being, just by being. You don't have to go anywhere or do anything to become this state� of awareness or being, but just be. While this is true, if someone had told it to you, would that have WORKED for you, to get you
[FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightenment WELL STATED BUCK
Yes, no one attains to truth by himself. Only by laying stone on stone with the cooperation of all, by the millions of generations from our forefathers to our own times, is that temple reared which is to be a worthy dwelling place of the Great God the Unified Field --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WLeed3@... wrote: Thanks for this reply Buck a host of Ur other reply's here in polite respect to YOU all here in this form! In a message dated 1/13/2013 8:25:20 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, Buck writes: Oh you fellows just assume no paths lead toward an awakening for people nor continue on and that it is not self evident along the ways of a path. That is your experience and what poor experience. It is blasphemous rattle and argue what you are saying the way you contend it and having to denigrate the awakened you see as your opponents as you go. Yours is a sad commentary here on your selves. However, every day we are learning more about the benefits of meditation: physical and mental well-being, compassion, patience, calming, a more flexible mind, strengthened immune system, sharper memory-it;'s extraordinary. Meditation. First ecstasy, then the laundry. Git to it, -Buck in the Dome --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: Thought I would offer this for purposes of discussion. These are my own beliefs at this time: From the teachings or musings if you will of people like Eckhart Tolle and Anita Moorjani, Adyashanti one has to believe that the whole thing about enlightenment and the whole schtick that goes with it is complete made up bullshit. Not necessarily. There are other explanations for the concept of a path to enlightenment that don't require us to think ill of those who proposed one. If for no other reason, humans have a tendency to need explanations or reasons for things that Just Happen. So *something* happens -- something unknown, and probably unknowable -- and someone pops into the state of attention that they have previously been told is enlightenment, or at the very least enlightenment-like. As for *HOW* it happened, or *WHY*, the most human tendency is to think, What was I doing before it happened? That must have had something to do with it happening. If I figure out what that was, I can tell others about this thing that I did and they can do it, too, and experience what I am experiencing. The trouble with this, of course, is that no thing they did had anything to do with them realizing their always- already-present enlightenment. But if they associate it with meditating just before they realized it, they might create a path based on meditation. If they flashed out shortly after thinking fondly of their teacher, they might come up with a path based on bhakti and devotion. If they realized their enlightenment while having sex, they might even come up with a path based on sex. The trouble is that there was never any path for them, and so anything they come up with won't really work for anyone else, either. Some meditation teachers like to teach that enlightenment is something that is achievable in this lifetime, but in truth it is already here, covered over by egoic perception. Maharishi was particularly prone to promulgate this idea that enlightenment was something to precious and rare that needed to be pursued, to be chased, and he and teachers like him do that to be able to get more people to buy their nosturms. This part I agree with. Once having bought into the path presented to them -- probably by *their* teacher -- they continue to sell it. When the selling starts to make them money, and puff up their egos, they sell it even harder, to perpetuate the attention feed. And to sell a path, one pretty much has to glorify the supposed goal or end point of the supposed path. But evidently what we have called enlightenment is our natural state must by virtue of being, just by being. You don't have to go anywhere or do anything to become this state of awareness or being, but just be. While this is true, if someone had told it to you, would that have WORKED for you, to get you to realize this state yourself? I doubt that it would. Whatever was preventing you from realizing it before (*NOT* MMY''s idea of stress, which I think is bullshit) is still in place, and until you drop that you can't realize the always- already-present nature of yourself. But does that make paths BAD? I don't think so. They give people *something to do*, something that they believe is leading them in a better direction. The fact that these things they're doing that they consider sadhana will probably not have
[FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightenment WELL STATED BUCK
Yes, of course theses two fellows publishing here do not 'know' It as they wish, one cannot 'know' It. They do not 'know' It and that is why they are unhappy. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Yes, no one attains to truth by himself. Only by laying stone on stone with the cooperation of all, by the millions of generations from our forefathers to our own times, is that temple reared which is to be a worthy dwelling place of the Great God the Unified Field --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WLeed3@ wrote: Thanks for this reply Buck a host of Ur other reply's here in polite respect to YOU all here in this form! In a message dated 1/13/2013 8:25:20 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, Buck writes: Oh you fellows just assume no paths lead toward an awakening for people nor continue on and that it is not self evident along the ways of a path. That is your experience and what poor experience. It is blasphemous rattle and argue what you are saying the way you contend it and having to denigrate the awakened you see as your opponents as you go. Yours is a sad commentary here on your selves. However, every day we are learning more about the benefits of meditation: physical and mental well-being, compassion, patience, calming, a more flexible mind, strengthened immune system, sharper memory-it;'s extraordinary. Meditation. First ecstasy, then the laundry. Git to it, -Buck in the Dome --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: Thought I would offer this for purposes of discussion. These are my own beliefs at this time: From the teachings or musings if you will of people like Eckhart Tolle and Anita Moorjani, Adyashanti one has to believe that the whole thing about enlightenment and the whole schtick that goes with it is complete made up bullshit. Not necessarily. There are other explanations for the concept of a path to enlightenment that don't require us to think ill of those who proposed one. If for no other reason, humans have a tendency to need explanations or reasons for things that Just Happen. So *something* happens -- something unknown, and probably unknowable -- and someone pops into the state of attention that they have previously been told is enlightenment, or at the very least enlightenment-like. As for *HOW* it happened, or *WHY*, the most human tendency is to think, What was I doing before it happened? That must have had something to do with it happening. If I figure out what that was, I can tell others about this thing that I did and they can do it, too, and experience what I am experiencing. The trouble with this, of course, is that no thing they did had anything to do with them realizing their always- already-present enlightenment. But if they associate it with meditating just before they realized it, they might create a path based on meditation. If they flashed out shortly after thinking fondly of their teacher, they might come up with a path based on bhakti and devotion. If they realized their enlightenment while having sex, they might even come up with a path based on sex. The trouble is that there was never any path for them, and so anything they come up with won't really work for anyone else, either. Some meditation teachers like to teach that enlightenment is something that is achievable in this lifetime, but in truth it is already here, covered over by egoic perception. Maharishi was particularly prone to promulgate this idea that enlightenment was something to precious and rare that needed to be pursued, to be chased, and he and teachers like him do that to be able to get more people to buy their nosturms. This part I agree with. Once having bought into the path presented to them -- probably by *their* teacher -- they continue to sell it. When the selling starts to make them money, and puff up their egos, they sell it even harder, to perpetuate the attention feed. And to sell a path, one pretty much has to glorify the supposed goal or end point of the supposed path. But evidently what we have called enlightenment is our natural state must by virtue of being, just by being. You don't have to go anywhere or do anything to become this state of awareness or being, but just be. While this is true, if someone had told it to you, would that have WORKED for you, to get you to realize this state yourself? I doubt that it would. Whatever was preventing you from realizing it before (*NOT* MMY''s idea of stress, which I think is bullshit) is still in place, and until you drop that you
[FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightenment WELL STATED BUCK
It is pitiable, they 'know' It not and such they are very unhappy. They do not know It, but It is here, It is in me, It is in my words, It is in thee, and even in those blasphemous words they have just published! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Yes, of course theses two fellows publishing here do not 'know' It as they wish, one cannot 'know' It. They do not 'know' It and that is why they are unhappy. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Yes, no one attains to truth by himself. Only by laying stone on stone with the cooperation of all, by the millions of generations from our forefathers to our own times, is that temple reared which is to be a worthy dwelling place of the Great God the Unified Field --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WLeed3@ wrote: Thanks for this reply Buck a host of Ur other reply's here in polite respect to YOU all here in this form! In a message dated 1/13/2013 8:25:20 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, Buck writes: Oh you fellows just assume no paths lead toward an awakening for people nor continue on and that it is not self evident along the ways of a path. That is your experience and what poor experience. It is blasphemous rattle and argue what you are saying the way you contend it and having to denigrate the awakened you see as your opponents as you go. Yours is a sad commentary here on your selves. However, every day we are learning more about the benefits of meditation: physical and mental well-being, compassion, patience, calming, a more flexible mind, strengthened immune system, sharper memory-it;'s extraordinary. Meditation. First ecstasy, then the laundry. Git to it, -Buck in the Dome --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: Thought I would offer this for purposes of discussion. These are my own beliefs at this time: From the teachings or musings if you will of people like Eckhart Tolle and Anita Moorjani, Adyashanti one has to believe that the whole thing about enlightenment and the whole schtick that goes with it is complete made up bullshit. Not necessarily. There are other explanations for the concept of a path to enlightenment that don't require us to think ill of those who proposed one. If for no other reason, humans have a tendency to need explanations or reasons for things that Just Happen. So *something* happens -- something unknown, and probably unknowable -- and someone pops into the state of attention that they have previously been told is enlightenment, or at the very least enlightenment-like. As for *HOW* it happened, or *WHY*, the most human tendency is to think, What was I doing before it happened? That must have had something to do with it happening. If I figure out what that was, I can tell others about this thing that I did and they can do it, too, and experience what I am experiencing. The trouble with this, of course, is that no thing they did had anything to do with them realizing their always- already-present enlightenment. But if they associate it with meditating just before they realized it, they might create a path based on meditation. If they flashed out shortly after thinking fondly of their teacher, they might come up with a path based on bhakti and devotion. If they realized their enlightenment while having sex, they might even come up with a path based on sex. The trouble is that there was never any path for them, and so anything they come up with won't really work for anyone else, either. Some meditation teachers like to teach that enlightenment is something that is achievable in this lifetime, but in truth it is already here, covered over by egoic perception. Maharishi was particularly prone to promulgate this idea that enlightenment was something to precious and rare that needed to be pursued, to be chased, and he and teachers like him do that to be able to get more people to buy their nosturms. This part I agree with. Once having bought into the path presented to them -- probably by *their* teacher -- they continue to sell it. When the selling starts to make them money, and puff up their egos, they sell it even harder, to perpetuate the attention feed. And to sell a path, one pretty much has to glorify the supposed goal or end point of the supposed path. But evidently what we have called enlightenment is our natural state must by virtue of being, just by being. You don't have to go anywhere or do anything to become this
[FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightenment WELL STATED BUCK
Who art thou? They dreamest that they art wise because they could publish their blasphemous words, and are more foolish and unreasonable than a little child, who, playing with the parts of a skillfully made watch, dares to say that, as he does not understand its use, he does not believe in the master who made it. To know Him is hard For ages, from our forefather Adam to our own day, we labor to attain that knowledge and are still infinitely far from our aim; but in our lack of understanding we see only our weakness and It's greatness. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: It is pitiable, they 'know' It not and such they are very unhappy. They do not know It, but It is here, It is in me, It is in my words, It is in thee, and even in those blasphemous words they have just published! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Yes, of course theses two fellows publishing here do not 'know' It as they wish, one cannot 'know' It. They do not 'know' It and that is why they are unhappy. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Yes, no one attains to truth by himself. Only by laying stone on stone with the cooperation of all, by the millions of generations from our forefathers to our own times, is that temple reared which is to be a worthy dwelling place of the Great God the Unified Field --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WLeed3@ wrote: Thanks for this reply Buck a host of Ur other reply's here in polite respect to YOU all here in this form! In a message dated 1/13/2013 8:25:20 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, Buck writes: Oh you fellows just assume no paths lead toward an awakening for people nor continue on and that it is not self evident along the ways of a path. That is your experience and what poor experience. It is blasphemous rattle and argue what you are saying the way you contend it and having to denigrate the awakened you see as your opponents as you go. Yours is a sad commentary here on your selves. However, every day we are learning more about the benefits of meditation: physical and mental well-being, compassion, patience, calming, a more flexible mind, strengthened immune system, sharper memory-it;'s extraordinary. Meditation. First ecstasy, then the laundry. Git to it, -Buck in the Dome --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: Thought I would offer this for purposes of discussion. These are my own beliefs at this time: From the teachings or musings if you will of people like Eckhart Tolle and Anita Moorjani, Adyashanti one has to believe that the whole thing about enlightenment and the whole schtick that goes with it is complete made up bullshit. Not necessarily. There are other explanations for the concept of a path to enlightenment that don't require us to think ill of those who proposed one. If for no other reason, humans have a tendency to need explanations or reasons for things that Just Happen. So *something* happens -- something unknown, and probably unknowable -- and someone pops into the state of attention that they have previously been told is enlightenment, or at the very least enlightenment-like. As for *HOW* it happened, or *WHY*, the most human tendency is to think, What was I doing before it happened? That must have had something to do with it happening. If I figure out what that was, I can tell others about this thing that I did and they can do it, too, and experience what I am experiencing. The trouble with this, of course, is that no thing they did had anything to do with them realizing their always- already-present enlightenment. But if they associate it with meditating just before they realized it, they might create a path based on meditation. If they flashed out shortly after thinking fondly of their teacher, they might come up with a path based on bhakti and devotion. If they realized their enlightenment while having sex, they might even come up with a path based on sex. The trouble is that there was never any path for them, and so anything they come up with won't really work for anyone else, either. Some meditation teachers like to teach that enlightenment is something that is achievable in this lifetime, but in truth it is already here, covered over by egoic perception. Maharishi was particularly prone to promulgate this idea that enlightenment was something to precious and rare that needed to be pursued, to be chased,
[FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightenment WELL STATED BUCK
Funny, but I think Buck and his attitudes and platitudes would keep me from ever embracing TM and its philosophies more than even the crown-wearing Rajas. I have nothing against TM or Maharishi or the sidhis but boy, does Buck ever turn me off. Just a tip Buck: the more you keep your mouth shut the greater chances that people will not find the idea of Domes and programs and ME so distasteful. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Who art thou? They dreamest that they art wise because they could publish their blasphemous words, and are more foolish and unreasonable than a little child, who, playing with the parts of a skillfully made watch, dares to say that, as he does not understand its use, he does not believe in the master who made it. To know Him is hard For ages, from our forefather Adam to our own day, we labor to attain that knowledge and are still infinitely far from our aim; but in our lack of understanding we see only our weakness and It's greatness. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: It is pitiable, they 'know' It not and such they are very unhappy. They do not know It, but It is here, It is in me, It is in my words, It is in thee, and even in those blasphemous words they have just published! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Yes, of course theses two fellows publishing here do not 'know' It as they wish, one cannot 'know' It. They do not 'know' It and that is why they are unhappy. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Yes, no one attains to truth by himself. Only by laying stone on stone with the cooperation of all, by the millions of generations from our forefathers to our own times, is that temple reared which is to be a worthy dwelling place of the Great God the Unified Field --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WLeed3@ wrote: Thanks for this reply Buck a host of Ur other reply's here in polite respect to YOU all here in this form! In a message dated 1/13/2013 8:25:20 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, Buck writes: Oh you fellows just assume no paths lead toward an awakening for people nor continue on and that it is not self evident along the ways of a path. That is your experience and what poor experience. It is blasphemous rattle and argue what you are saying the way you contend it and having to denigrate the awakened you see as your opponents as you go. Yours is a sad commentary here on your selves. However, every day we are learning more about the benefits of meditation: physical and mental well-being, compassion, patience, calming, a more flexible mind, strengthened immune system, sharper memory-it;'s extraordinary. Meditation. First ecstasy, then the laundry. Git to it, -Buck in the Dome --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: Thought I would offer this for purposes of discussion. These are my own beliefs at this time: From the teachings or musings if you will of people like Eckhart Tolle and Anita Moorjani, Adyashanti one has to believe that the whole thing about enlightenment and the whole schtick that goes with it is complete made up bullshit. Not necessarily. There are other explanations for the concept of a path to enlightenment that don't require us to think ill of those who proposed one. If for no other reason, humans have a tendency to need explanations or reasons for things that Just Happen. So *something* happens -- something unknown, and probably unknowable -- and someone pops into the state of attention that they have previously been told is enlightenment, or at the very least enlightenment-like. As for *HOW* it happened, or *WHY*, the most human tendency is to think, What was I doing before it happened? That must have had something to do with it happening. If I figure out what that was, I can tell others about this thing that I did and they can do it, too, and experience what I am experiencing. The trouble with this, of course, is that no thing they did had anything to do with them realizing their always- already-present enlightenment. But if they associate it with meditating just before they realized it, they might create a path based on meditation. If they flashed out shortly after thinking fondly of their teacher, they might come up with a path based on bhakti and devotion. If they realized their enlightenment while having sex, they might even come
[FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightenment WELL STATED BUCK
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: Funny, but I think Buck and his attitudes and platitudes would keep me from ever embracing TM and its philosophies more than even the crown-wearing Rajas. No, no that's a mistake ! You should most definately start TM. In that way your extreme narrowmindedness, predjuices and pettiness might fall away. Just do it, unless you love yourself as you are today ofcourse :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightenment WELL STATED BUCK
Considering the huge crop of goofballs that the TM-org has spawned, starting from your master Robin Carlsen, Bevan Morris and so on, any sane rational observer would balk. Buck dosen't sound any worse than them. --- Ann wrote: Funny, but I think Buck and his attitudes and platitudes would keep me from ever embracing TM and its philosophies more than even the crown-wearing Rajas. I have nothing against TM or Maharishi or the sidhis but boy, does Buck ever turn me off. Just a tip Buck: the more you keep your mouth shut the greater chances that people will not find the idea of Domes and programs and ME so distasteful. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Who art thou? They dreamest that they art wise because they could publish their blasphemous words, and are more foolish and unreasonable than a little child, who, playing with the parts of a skillfully made watch, dares to say that, as he does not understand its use, he does not believe in the master who made it. To know Him is hard For ages, from our forefather Adam to our own day, we labor to attain that knowledge and are still infinitely far from our aim; but in our lack of understanding we see only our weakness and It's greatness. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: It is pitiable, they 'know' It not and such they are very unhappy. They do not know It, but It is here, It is in me, It is in my words, It is in thee, and even in those blasphemous words they have just published! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Yes, of course theses two fellows publishing here do not 'know' It as they wish, one cannot 'know' It. They do not 'know' It and that is why they are unhappy. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Yes, no one attains to truth by himself. Only by laying stone on stone with the cooperation of all, by the millions of generations from our forefathers to our own times, is that temple reared which is to be a worthy dwelling place of the Great God the Unified Field --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WLeed3@ wrote: Thanks for this reply Buck a host of Ur other reply's here in polite respect to YOU all here in this form! In a message dated 1/13/2013 8:25:20 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, Buck writes: Oh you fellows just assume no paths lead toward an awakening for people nor continue on and that it is not self evident along the ways of a path. That is your experience and what poor experience. It is blasphemous rattle and argue what you are saying the way you contend it and having to denigrate the awakened you see as your opponents as you go. Yours is a sad commentary here on your selves. However, every day we are learning more about the benefits of meditation: physical and mental well-being, compassion, patience, calming, a more flexible mind, strengthened immune system, sharper memory-it;'s extraordinary. Meditation. First ecstasy, then the laundry. Git to it, -Buck in the Dome
[FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightenment WELL STATED BUCK
It exists, but to understand It is hard. If it were a man whose existence they doubt I could bring him to them, could take him by the hand and show him to them. But how can I, an insignificant mortal, show Its omnipotence, Its infinity, and all Its mercy to them who are blind, or who shut their eyes that they may not see or understand It and may not see or understand their own vileness and sinfulness? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Who art thou? They dreamest that they art wise because they could publish their blasphemous words, and are more foolish and unreasonable than a little child, who, playing with the parts of a skillfully made watch, dares to say that, as he does not understand its use, he does not believe in the master who made it. To know Him is hard For ages, from our forefather Adam to our own day, we labor to attain that knowledge and are still infinitely far from our aim; but in our lack of understanding we see only our weakness and It's greatness. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: It is pitiable, they 'know' It not and such they are very unhappy. They do not know It, but It is here, It is in me, It is in my words, It is in thee, and even in those blasphemous words they have just published! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Yes, of course theses two fellows publishing here do not 'know' It as they wish, one cannot 'know' It. They do not 'know' It and that is why they are unhappy. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Yes, no one attains to truth by himself. Only by laying stone on stone with the cooperation of all, by the millions of generations from our forefathers to our own times, is that temple reared which is to be a worthy dwelling place of the Great God the Unified Field --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WLeed3@ wrote: Thanks for this reply Buck a host of Ur other reply's here in polite respect to YOU all here in this form! In a message dated 1/13/2013 8:25:20 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, Buck writes: Oh you fellows just assume no paths lead toward an awakening for people nor continue on and that it is not self evident along the ways of a path. That is your experience and what poor experience. It is blasphemous rattle and argue what you are saying the way you contend it and having to denigrate the awakened you see as your opponents as you go. Yours is a sad commentary here on your selves. However, every day we are learning more about the benefits of meditation: physical and mental well-being, compassion, patience, calming, a more flexible mind, strengthened immune system, sharper memory-it;'s extraordinary. Meditation. First ecstasy, then the laundry. Git to it, -Buck in the Dome --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: Thought I would offer this for purposes of discussion. These are my own beliefs at this time: From the teachings or musings if you will of people like Eckhart Tolle and Anita Moorjani, Adyashanti one has to believe that the whole thing about enlightenment and the whole schtick that goes with it is complete made up bullshit. Not necessarily. There are other explanations for the concept of a path to enlightenment that don't require us to think ill of those who proposed one. If for no other reason, humans have a tendency to need explanations or reasons for things that Just Happen. So *something* happens -- something unknown, and probably unknowable -- and someone pops into the state of attention that they have previously been told is enlightenment, or at the very least enlightenment-like. As for *HOW* it happened, or *WHY*, the most human tendency is to think, What was I doing before it happened? That must have had something to do with it happening. If I figure out what that was, I can tell others about this thing that I did and they can do it, too, and experience what I am experiencing. The trouble with this, of course, is that no thing they did had anything to do with them realizing their always- already-present enlightenment. But if they associate it with meditating just before they realized it, they might create a path based on meditation. If they flashed out shortly after thinking fondly of their teacher, they might come up with a path based on bhakti and devotion. If they realized their enlightenment while having sex, they
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightenment WELL STATED BUCK
I have not noticed that the extreme narrow mindedness, prejudices and pettiness have ever fallen away from the TMO managers and leaders ever, in nearly 60 years of TM practice, I saw and experienced a ton of it at MIU from most of the people in charge from Bevan on down, but since their extreme narrow mindedness, prejudices and pettiness serve the cause of TM dom, meaning TM dominated world, I guess its ok. Holy Jack Boots, Batman! I think I just ferreted out Nabby's motivation for loving Marsh-hee and the good old TMO - he wants a Fourth Reich governed by Gold Crown Rajas and if we get one, every Gold Crown Country will be invincible!!! That gives me a great money making idea - what if the TMO came up with an ayurvedic cigarette? Call 'em Gold Crown Cigarettes. Buy a carton of Gold Crowns today, the Raja's choice, made of Maharishi Raja's Choice tobacco, the finest, most sattvic non-GMO tobacco in the world today. (All Maharishi Raja's Choice Tobacco is grown on land owned by the Shrivastava family, proud owners of the Maharishi TMO) From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2013 12:18 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightenment WELL STATED BUCK --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: Funny, but I think Buck and his attitudes and platitudes would keep me from ever embracing TM and its philosophies more than even the crown-wearing Rajas. No, no that's a mistake ! You should most definately start TM. In that way your extreme narrowmindedness, predjuices and pettiness might fall away. Just do it, unless you love yourself as you are today ofcourse :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightenment WELL STATED BUCK
If It were not, you and I would not be speaking of It. Of what, of whom, are we speaking? Who invented It, if It did not exist? Whence came their conception of the existence of such an incomprehensible Being? Didst they, and why did the whole world, conceive the idea of the existence of such an incomprehensible Being, a Being all-powerful, eternal, and infinite in all Its attributes, a Unified Field? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: It exists, but to understand It is hard. If it were a man whose existence they doubt I could bring him to them, could take him by the hand and show him to them. But how can I, an insignificant mortal, show Its omnipotence, Its infinity, and all Its mercy to them who are blind, or who shut their eyes that they may not see or understand It and may not see or understand their own vileness and sinfulness? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Who art thou? They dreamest that they art wise because they could publish their blasphemous words, and are more foolish and unreasonable than a little child, who, playing with the parts of a skillfully made watch, dares to say that, as he does not understand its use, he does not believe in the master who made it. To know Him is hard For ages, from our forefather Adam to our own day, we labor to attain that knowledge and are still infinitely far from our aim; but in our lack of understanding we see only our weakness and It's greatness. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: It is pitiable, they 'know' It not and such they are very unhappy. They do not know It, but It is here, It is in me, It is in my words, It is in thee, and even in those blasphemous words they have just published! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Yes, of course theses two fellows publishing here do not 'know' It as they wish, one cannot 'know' It. They do not 'know' It and that is why they are unhappy. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Yes, no one attains to truth by himself. Only by laying stone on stone with the cooperation of all, by the millions of generations from our forefathers to our own times, is that temple reared which is to be a worthy dwelling place of the Great God the Unified Field --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WLeed3@ wrote: Thanks for this reply Buck a host of Ur other reply's here in polite respect to YOU all here in this form! In a message dated 1/13/2013 8:25:20 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, Buck writes: Oh you fellows just assume no paths lead toward an awakening for people nor continue on and that it is not self evident along the ways of a path. That is your experience and what poor experience. It is blasphemous rattle and argue what you are saying the way you contend it and having to denigrate the awakened you see as your opponents as you go. Yours is a sad commentary here on your selves. However, every day we are learning more about the benefits of meditation: physical and mental well-being, compassion, patience, calming, a more flexible mind, strengthened immune system, sharper memory-it;'s extraordinary. Meditation. First ecstasy, then the laundry. Git to it, -Buck in the Dome --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: Thought I would offer this for purposes of discussion. These are my own beliefs at this time: From the teachings or musings if you will of people like Eckhart Tolle and Anita Moorjani, Adyashanti one has to believe that the whole thing about enlightenment and the whole schtick that goes with it is complete made up bullshit. Not necessarily. There are other explanations for the concept of a path to enlightenment that don't require us to think ill of those who proposed one. If for no other reason, humans have a tendency to need explanations or reasons for things that Just Happen. So *something* happens -- something unknown, and probably unknowable -- and someone pops into the state of attention that they have previously been told is enlightenment, or at the very least enlightenment-like. As for *HOW* it happened, or *WHY*, the most human tendency is to think, What was I doing before it happened? That must have had something to do with it happening. If I figure out what that was, I can tell others about this thing that I did and they can do it, too, and
[FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightenment WELL STATED BUCK
It is not to be apprehended by reason, but by life. The highest wisdom and truth are like the purest liquid we may wish to imbibe. Can I receive that pure liquid into an impure vessel and judge of its purity? Only by the inner purification of thyself can thee retain in some degree of purity the liquid I receive. It is free Grace. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: If It were not, you and I would not be speaking of It. Of what, of whom, are we speaking? Who invented It, if It did not exist? Whence came their conception of the existence of such an incomprehensible Being? Didst they, and why did the whole world, conceive the idea of the existence of such an incomprehensible Being, a Being all-powerful, eternal, and infinite in all Its attributes, a Unified Field? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: It exists, but to understand It is hard. If it were a man whose existence they doubt I could bring him to them, could take him by the hand and show him to them. But how can I, an insignificant mortal, show Its omnipotence, Its infinity, and all Its mercy to them who are blind, or who shut their eyes that they may not see or understand It and may not see or understand their own vileness and sinfulness? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Who art thou? They dreamest that they art wise because they could publish their blasphemous words, and are more foolish and unreasonable than a little child, who, playing with the parts of a skillfully made watch, dares to say that, as he does not understand its use, he does not believe in the master who made it. To know Him is hard For ages, from our forefather Adam to our own day, we labor to attain that knowledge and are still infinitely far from our aim; but in our lack of understanding we see only our weakness and It's greatness. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: It is pitiable, they 'know' It not and such they are very unhappy. They do not know It, but It is here, It is in me, It is in my words, It is in thee, and even in those blasphemous words they have just published! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Yes, of course theses two fellows publishing here do not 'know' It as they wish, one cannot 'know' It. They do not 'know' It and that is why they are unhappy. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Yes, no one attains to truth by himself. Only by laying stone on stone with the cooperation of all, by the millions of generations from our forefathers to our own times, is that temple reared which is to be a worthy dwelling place of the Great God the Unified Field --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WLeed3@ wrote: Thanks for this reply Buck a host of Ur other reply's here in polite respect to YOU all here in this form! In a message dated 1/13/2013 8:25:20 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, Buck writes: Oh you fellows just assume no paths lead toward an awakening for people nor continue on and that it is not self evident along the ways of a path. That is your experience and what poor experience. It is blasphemous rattle and argue what you are saying the way you contend it and having to denigrate the awakened you see as your opponents as you go. Yours is a sad commentary here on your selves. However, every day we are learning more about the benefits of meditation: physical and mental well-being, compassion, patience, calming, a more flexible mind, strengthened immune system, sharper memory-it;'s extraordinary. Meditation. First ecstasy, then the laundry. Git to it, -Buck in the Dome --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: Thought I would offer this for purposes of discussion. These are my own beliefs at this time: From the teachings or musings if you will of people like Eckhart Tolle and Anita Moorjani, Adyashanti one has to believe that the whole thing about enlightenment and the whole schtick that goes with it is complete made up bullshit. Not necessarily. There are other explanations for the concept of a path to enlightenment that don't require us to think ill of those who proposed one. If for no other reason, humans have a tendency to need explanations or reasons for things that Just Happen. So *something* happens -- something unknown, and
