[FairfieldLife] Re: FFL only in the US

2006-03-05 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonyff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hey Rick,
 
 Did you know FFL is only visible from the US yahoo site?  Anyone
 searching yahoo groups in Britain, Australia, France etc for
 Fairfield Life or Transcendental Meditation won't find this
 group. I don't know if you can change this, or if you want to...

This is only partly true. FFL is clearly visible from
these sites, but the Yahoo Groups *search engine* does
not seem to find strings in the group's description.








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[FairfieldLife] Re: FFL only in the US

2006-03-05 Thread anonyff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 on 3/5/06 9:51 AM, anonyff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Hey Rick,
  
  Did you know FFL is only visible from the US yahoo site?  Anyone
  searching yahoo groups in Britain, Australia, France etc for
  Fairfield Life or Transcendental Meditation won't find this
  group. I don't know if you can change this, or if you want to...
 
 Is this a recent development? If not, how did all you out-of-US
folks find
 us? We have people signing up from India and places like that all
the time.
 Or at least we did. I would like to fix this if we can.


I don't know if it's always been like that, but I found FFL in 2002
via yahoo.com, but couldn't find it via yahoo.co.uk.  After I signed
up I forgot about it, until now.

Scorpianon





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[FairfieldLife] Re: FFL only in the US

2006-03-05 Thread Premanand Paul Mason
In the UK, if one searches groups at yahoo.co.uk, only 4 groups are 
displayed when searching 'Transcendental Meditation':-
Transcendental-Meditation-Siddhas - 21 members
Independent-Transcendental-Meditation - 13 members
i_TM - 5 members
Anutadaka - 5 members
 
Typing 'Fairfield Life' gives the following response:
Sorry, no matches were found for 'fairfield life'.

Whereas, if instead one searches from here using yahoo.com, 30 groups 
are listed including FFL.





--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 on 3/5/06 9:51 AM, anonyff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Hey Rick,
  
  Did you know FFL is only visible from the US yahoo site?  Anyone
  searching yahoo groups in Britain, Australia, France etc for
  Fairfield Life or Transcendental Meditation won't find this
  group. I don't know if you can change this, or if you want to...
 
 Is this a recent development? If not, how did all you out-of-US 
folks find
 us? We have people signing up from India and places like that all 
the time.
 Or at least we did. I would like to fix this if we can.








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[FairfieldLife] Re: FFL only in the US

2006-03-05 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 In the UK, if one searches groups at yahoo.co.uk, only 4 groups are 
 displayed when searching 'Transcendental Meditation':-
 Transcendental-Meditation-Siddhas - 21 members
 Independent-Transcendental-Meditation - 13 members
 i_TM - 5 members
 Anutadaka - 5 members
  
 Typing 'Fairfield Life' gives the following response:
 Sorry, no matches were found for 'fairfield life'.

Did you try FairfieldLife (no space)?


 
 Whereas, if instead one searches from here using yahoo.com, 30
 groups are listed including FFL.
 
 
 
 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ 
 wrote:
 
  on 3/5/06 9:51 AM, anonyff at anonyff@ wrote:
  
   Hey Rick,
   
   Did you know FFL is only visible from the US yahoo site?  Anyone
   searching yahoo groups in Britain, Australia, France etc for
   Fairfield Life or Transcendental Meditation won't find this
   group. I don't know if you can change this, or if you want to...
  
  Is this a recent development? If not, how did all you out-of-US 
 folks find
  us? We have people signing up from India and places like that all 
 the time.
  Or at least we did. I would like to fix this if we can.
 







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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL only in the US

2006-03-05 Thread Rick Archer
on 3/5/06 11:01 AM, Premanand Paul Mason at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 In the UK, if one searches groups at yahoo.co.uk, only 4 groups are
 displayed when searching 'Transcendental Meditation':-
 Transcendental-Meditation-Siddhas - 21 members
 Independent-Transcendental-Meditation - 13 members
 i_TM - 5 members
 Anutadaka - 5 members
  
 Typing 'Fairfield Life' gives the following response:
 Sorry, no matches were found for 'fairfield life'.
 
 Whereas, if instead one searches from here using yahoo.com, 30 groups
 are listed including FFL.

So maybe that's how so many non-US people find us. They know they'll get a
limited selection unless they use groups.yahoo.com




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[FairfieldLife] Re: FFL only in the US

2006-03-05 Thread cardemaister
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 on 3/5/06 11:01 AM, Premanand Paul Mason at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  In the UK, if one searches groups at yahoo.co.uk, only 4 groups 
are
  displayed when searching 'Transcendental Meditation':-
  Transcendental-Meditation-Siddhas - 21 members
  Independent-Transcendental-Meditation - 13 members
  i_TM - 5 members
  Anutadaka - 5 members
   
  Typing 'Fairfield Life' gives the following response:
  Sorry, no matches were found for 'fairfield life'.
  
  Whereas, if instead one searches from here using yahoo.com, 30 
groups
  are listed including FFL.
 
 So maybe that's how so many non-US people find us. They know 
they'll get a
 limited selection unless they use groups.yahoo.com

Hmm... strange, because:

http://tinyurl.com/zp6up










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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL only in the US

2006-03-05 Thread Rick Archer
on 3/5/06 12:03 PM, cardemaister at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 So maybe that's how so many non-US people find us. They know
 they'll get a
 limited selection unless they use groups.yahoo.com
 
 Hmm... strange, because:
 
 http://tinyurl.com/zp6up

But that's a search in Yahoo itself, not the Russian equivalent of
groups.yahoo.com. Or does each country which has a customized Yahoo have a
customized Yahoo Groups home page?




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[FairfieldLife] Re: FFL only in the US

2006-03-05 Thread Premanand Paul Mason
The Russian page is very useful, however try the following link and 
see if you can find an active group related the topic:-
http://uk.groups.yahoo.com/

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 on 3/5/06 12:03 PM, cardemaister at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  So maybe that's how so many non-US people find us. They know
  they'll get a
  limited selection unless they use groups.yahoo.com
  
  Hmm... strange, because:
  
  http://tinyurl.com/zp6up
 
 But that's a search in Yahoo itself, not the Russian equivalent of
 groups.yahoo.com. Or does each country which has a customized Yahoo 
have a
 customized Yahoo Groups home page?







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[FairfieldLife] Re: FFL only in the US

2006-03-05 Thread a_non_moose_ff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 on 3/5/06 12:03 PM, cardemaister at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  So maybe that's how so many non-US people find us. They know
  they'll get a
  limited selection unless they use groups.yahoo.com
  
  Hmm... strange, because:
  
  http://tinyurl.com/zp6up
 
 But that's a search in Yahoo itself, not the Russian equivalent of
 groups.yahoo.com. Or does each country which has a customized Yahoo
have a
 customized Yahoo Groups home page?


You may want to look for yourself.

http://uk.yahoo.com/world.html


And fairfieldlife nor fairfield life brings no results when
searching under UK groups.

Yahoo! Groups UK
Search Results
Sorry, no matches were found for 'fairfieldlife'.

http://uk.groups.yahoo.com/search?query=fairfieldlifess=1





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL only in the US

2006-03-05 Thread Rick Archer
on 3/5/06 12:14 PM, Premanand Paul Mason at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 The Russian page is very useful, however try the following link and
 see if you can find an active group related the topic:-
 http://uk.groups.yahoo.com/

Can't. I see no setting which would enable FFL to show up in
country-specific Yahoo groups. Alex or Gullible Fool to the rescue?




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[FairfieldLife] Re: FFL only in the US

2006-03-05 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

  http://tinyurl.com/zp6up
 
 But that's a search in Yahoo itself, not the Russian equivalent 
 of groups.yahoo.com. Or does each country which has a customized 
 Yahoo have a customized Yahoo Groups home page?

That may be the answer, Rick. It seems clear that
the Yahoo search engine in these various countries
does not have access to the same search database 
that the US Yahoo search engine has. There may be
a simple way to construct a home page for FFL on 
each of the country-specific sites that would 
correct this.








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[FairfieldLife] Re: FFL only in the US

2006-03-05 Thread cardemaister
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 on 3/5/06 12:14 PM, Premanand Paul Mason at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  The Russian page is very useful, however try the following link and
  see if you can find an active group related the topic:-
  http://uk.groups.yahoo.com/

Is the home(?)page useless, then:

http://uk.yahoo.com


 
 Can't. I see no setting which would enable FFL to show up in
 country-specific Yahoo groups. Alex or Gullible Fool to the rescue?







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[FairfieldLife] Re: FFL only in the US

2006-03-05 Thread Premanand Paul Mason
Personally, I don't use the uk home page much, though its good for 
checking UK news sometimes. Otherwise the .com is more useful, more 
global.


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 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ 
 wrote:
 
  on 3/5/06 12:14 PM, Premanand Paul Mason at premanandpaul@ wrote:
  
   The Russian page is very useful, however try the following link 
and
   see if you can find an active group related the topic:-
   http://uk.groups.yahoo.com/
 
 Is the home(?)page useless, then:
 
 http://uk.yahoo.com
 
 
  
  Can't. I see no setting which would enable FFL to show up in
  country-specific Yahoo groups. Alex or Gullible Fool to the 
rescue?
 







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[FairfieldLife] Re: FFL only in the US

2006-03-05 Thread Alex Stanley
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 on 3/5/06 12:14 PM, Premanand Paul Mason at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  The Russian page is very useful, however try the following link and
  see if you can find an active group related the topic:-
  http://uk.groups.yahoo.com/
 
 Can't. I see no setting which would enable FFL to show up in
 country-specific Yahoo groups. Alex or Gullible Fool to the rescue?

As far as I can tell, there's nothing we can do about that. 






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[FairfieldLife] Re: FFL only in the US

2006-03-05 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason 
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 Personally, I don't use the uk home page much, though its good for 
 checking UK news sometimes. Otherwise the .com is more useful,
 more global.

T'would seem so, with the revelation that it doesn't
distribute its Groups search engine database to all
its local sites. It's an easily-correctable oversight
that Google would've thought of early.







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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL only in the US

2006-03-05 Thread Rick Archer
on 3/5/06 1:55 PM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
 
 http://tinyurl.com/zp6up
 
 But that's a search in Yahoo itself, not the Russian equivalent
 of groups.yahoo.com. Or does each country which has a customized
 Yahoo have a customized Yahoo Groups home page?
 
 That may be the answer, Rick. It seems clear that
 the Yahoo search engine in these various countries
 does not have access to the same search database
 that the US Yahoo search engine has. There may be
 a simple way to construct a home page for FFL on
 each of the country-specific sites that would
 correct this.

That's an interesting idea.  A FFL home page could be created on each of
these, but the description would ask people to go to
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ to participate. But of course,
they could do that directly, and may be in the habit of going to
http://groups.yahoo.com/ if their national equivalent didn't have a very
wide list of offerings.




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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL only in the US

2006-03-05 Thread Rick Archer
on 3/5/06 2:19 PM, Premanand Paul Mason at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Personally, I don't use the uk home page much, though its good for
 checking UK news sometimes. Otherwise the .com is more useful, more
 global.

And probably most experienced Internet users have discovered the same thing.




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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL only in the US

2006-03-05 Thread Rick Archer
on 3/5/06 2:25 PM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Personally, I don't use the uk home page much, though its good for
 checking UK news sometimes. Otherwise the .com is more useful,
 more global.
 
 T'would seem so, with the revelation that it doesn't
 distribute its Groups search engine database to all
 its local sites. It's an easily-correctable oversight
 that Google would've thought of early.

I'll send them the suggestion, although I don't know if anyone reads those.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: FFL only in the US

2006-03-05 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 on 3/5/06 1:55 PM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer 
fairfieldlife@ wrote:
  
  http://tinyurl.com/zp6up
  
  But that's a search in Yahoo itself, not the Russian equivalent
  of groups.yahoo.com. Or does each country which has a customized
  Yahoo have a customized Yahoo Groups home page?
  
  That may be the answer, Rick. It seems clear that
  the Yahoo search engine in these various countries
  does not have access to the same search database
  that the US Yahoo search engine has. There may be
  a simple way to construct a home page for FFL on
  each of the country-specific sites that would
  correct this.
 
 That's an interesting idea.  A FFL home page could be created 
 on each of these, but the description would ask people to go to
 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ to participate. 
 But of course, they could do that directly, and may be in the 
 habit of going to http://groups.yahoo.com/ if their national 
 equivalent didn't have a very wide list of offerings.

I suspect that's what happens by default. Unlike 
Google, Yahoo does not have a 'redirect' mechanism
that logs you in to the local site when you attempt
to contact yahoo.com from a country where there is
a local site. In contrast, type 'www.google.com'
from France, and you get redirected to www.google.fr.
Same with Google's other local sites.

So I would suspect that anyone from other countries
who had heard of Yahoo just typed in 'www.yahoo.com'
and got the US site and have continued with it ever
since. Unlike with Google, nothing interferes with
them doing this.








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[FairfieldLife] Re: FFL only in the US

2006-03-05 Thread anonyff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 on 3/5/06 1:55 PM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@
  wrote:
  
  http://tinyurl.com/zp6up
  
  But that's a search in Yahoo itself, not the Russian equivalent
  of groups.yahoo.com. Or does each country which has a customized
  Yahoo have a customized Yahoo Groups home page?
  
  That may be the answer, Rick. It seems clear that
  the Yahoo search engine in these various countries
  does not have access to the same search database
  that the US Yahoo search engine has. There may be
  a simple way to construct a home page for FFL on
  each of the country-specific sites that would
  correct this.
 
 That's an interesting idea.  A FFL home page could be created on each of
 these, but the description would ask people to go to
 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ to participate.

Good idea.  Maybe a home page (independent of yahoo) which redirects
people to the yahoo group page would catch people who search from
google, altavista etc.  I've just tried, and a search for fairfield
life on altavista finds the group page at number 4 (not bad) but
google doesn't seem to find it at all.

 But of course,
 they could do that directly, and may be in the habit of going to
 http://groups.yahoo.com/ if their national equivalent didn't have
 a very wide list of offerings.


They might go to the US site instead of their other national site,
or they might just search on their national site and think that'll
find everything there is.  I'm a reasonably savvy internet user and
it took me a while to work out that yahoo offers different groups in
different countries.  Hmmm, does too much TM make you stupid, or is
it just me?

Scorpianon





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