[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: --- Rick Archer groups@ wrote: Another way of putting it would be that he does have a handle on Absolute Truth, but that that doesn¹t qualify him as an authority on all matters of relative truth. And this is when the cult-like quality enters in the TMO. People handover their authority over their own experience to another (MMY/TMO) under the erroneous assumption that there is a perfect or objectively correct way to live their life. This is an infantile wish of the perfect parent being projected and acted out. The TMO, at least in my experience in the USA, strongly encourages this, but ironically MMY doesn't engage in this on a one-to-one level. When people ask MMY what they should do in a particular situation many times he'll ask what they think they should do and then he'll say, Do that. This lack of authority over ones own life is a deep, deep attachment that so many hardcore Ru's have. I see MMY as doing his best to break it with all the crazy nonesese over the last 20 years. ...but you do get alot of free labor for your organisation by encouraging the nonsense. And as cynical as it may sound, I really believe that is one of the motivations for the TMO to encourage the cultism around it. Because let's face it: it doesn't take a genius to figure out that the lifestyles of the people in the TMO and the way the TMO conducts its affairs is in direct contradiction to the way the TM Program is taught. Lifestyles of SOME of the people, true. The way the TMO conducts SOME of its affairs, also true. Don't maket he mistake of painting everyone with the same brush... Okay. Yes, there are exceptions to the rule. For every 100 TM TBers in and around Vladivostok or whatever the cult town in Holland is called where everyone is esconced, there is probably 1 person who has his head set straight on his shoulders. Do you think there's more than that in the average organization of any size? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Shemp: So, yeah, I agree with many of your complaints about the TMO and MMY but in the interests of balance and fairness, you willingly went into that lifestyle that was the opposite of the TM Program. You can't now turn around and claim shock and awe for all the horrible things that the Movement turned out to be. Me: I don't think MMY's instructions to his teachers and fulltime people can be characterized as the opposite of the TM program just because it is initially presented in another manor meant to be effective marketing to the general public. The first presentation of TM is not the only official way it is presented depending on what level of the organization you are on. For example, I was tested on TTC on my feelings as I sang the puja. Quizzed intensely about what feelings I had as I sang certain words in Sanskrit. This is obviously a long way from the innocent practice of TM as presented in the intro lecture, but it was every bit as legitimate a part of MMY's program. As you got closer and closer to MMY's inner circle the beliefs were presented as being purer without the need to interface with a skeptical public with marketing spin. The inner circle around MMY ,with his absolute unquestioned authority, was set up exactly as he wished. I think you are making an artificial distinction between MMY and TMO which he micromanages into what he desires, including the beliefs of his closest members. ...and that's probably the #1 reason why his organisation is such a failure. That's why I subscribe to Bob Brigante's prescription for many of the ills of the TMO: outside professionals should be hired to do things such as marketing. I think it should be extended to all parts of his operations. A good part of the TMO is busy-work, IMHO. Chopra and Ayurveda. Hagelin and the NLP. Bevan and, well, everything he does... And what, pray tell, is busy-work. Is it like create-work programs like Hoover Dam that Roosevelt commissioned in the Great Depression? It's telling a disciple to run around in circles all day delivering a note that says to keep him running in circles. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Shemp: So, yeah, I agree with many of your complaints about the TMO and MMY but in the interests of balance and fairness, you willingly went into that lifestyle that was the opposite of the TM Program. You can't now turn around and claim shock and awe for all the horrible things that the Movement turned out to be. Me: I don't think MMY's instructions to his teachers and fulltime people can be characterized as the opposite of the TM program just because it is initially presented in another manor meant to be effective marketing to the general public. The first presentation of TM is not the only official way it is presented depending on what level of the organization you are on. For example, I was tested on TTC on my feelings as I sang the puja. Quizzed intensely about what feelings I had as I sang certain words in Sanskrit. This is obviously a long way from the innocent practice of TM as presented in the intro lecture, but it was every bit as legitimate a part of MMY's program. As you got closer and closer to MMY's inner circle the beliefs were presented as being purer without the need to interface with a skeptical public with marketing spin. The inner circle around MMY ,with his absolute unquestioned authority, was set up exactly as he wished. I think you are making an artificial distinction between MMY and TMO which he micromanages into what he desires, including the beliefs of his closest members. ...and that's probably the #1 reason why his organisation is such a failure. That's why I subscribe to Bob Brigante's prescription for many of the ills of the TMO: outside professionals should be hired to do things such as marketing. I think it should be extended to all parts of his operations. A good part of the TMO is busy-work, IMHO. Chopra and Ayurveda. Hagelin and the NLP. Bevan and, well, everything he does... And what, pray tell, is busy-work. Is it like create-work programs like Hoover Dam that Roosevelt commissioned in the Great Depression? It's telling a disciple to run around in circles all day delivering a note that says to keep him running in circles. Just as I thought: much like Roosevelt's make-work programs. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: --- Rick Archer groups@ wrote: Another way of putting it would be that he does have a handle on Absolute Truth, but that that doesn¹t qualify him as an authority on all matters of relative truth. And this is when the cult-like quality enters in the TMO. People handover their authority over their own experience to another (MMY/TMO) under the erroneous assumption that there is a perfect or objectively correct way to live their life. This is an infantile wish of the perfect parent being projected and acted out. The TMO, at least in my experience in the USA, strongly encourages this, but ironically MMY doesn't engage in this on a one-to-one level. When people ask MMY what they should do in a particular situation many times he'll ask what they think they should do and then he'll say, Do that. This lack of authority over ones own life is a deep, deep attachment that so many hardcore Ru's have. I see MMY as doing his best to break it with all the crazy nonesese over the last 20 years. ...but you do get alot of free labor for your organisation by encouraging the nonsense. And as cynical as it may sound, I really believe that is one of the motivations for the TMO to encourage the cultism around it. Because let's face it: it doesn't take a genius to figure out that the lifestyles of the people in the TMO and the way the TMO conducts its affairs is in direct contradiction to the way the TM Program is taught. Lifestyles of SOME of the people, true. The way the TMO conducts SOME of its affairs, also true. Don't maket he mistake of painting everyone with the same brush... Okay. Yes, there are exceptions to the rule. For every 100 TM TBers in and around Vladivostok or whatever the cult town in Holland is called where everyone is esconced, there is probably 1 person who has his head set straight on his shoulders. Do you think there's more than that in the average organization of any size? Most certainly. the average organisation would have more than 1 in 100 that are rationale, reasonable people... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield,,,I'm sensing some defensiveness
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 8/12/06 11:22 AM, nablus108 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: a simple man who bleeds like the rest of us,,,eats like the rest of us and excretes bodily wastes like the rest of us Do you know anything about this ? Or is it simply the words spilled over by your silly ignorance ? Have you lived in the company of a saint, or is your life dominated by foolish company, foolish thoughts and low level of intelligence ? It seems so. When building one of Maharishis suites, we pointed to where the toilet was to be built. Maharishi said: I have no need. He may have said that, because he sometimes does try to give the impression that he is above physical needs, but all his suites over the years have had toilets. He eats food and it comes out the other end, just like the rest of us. I¹ve heard him fart, pee, and while traveling, he had to make bathroom stops, just like the rest of us. His girlfriends said he ejaculates. He¹s had operations on his eyes, prostate, heart and other health problems. He¹s been banged up in car and helicopter accidents, nearly electrocuted by a faulty tape recorder, etc. None of these things are to his detriment. I mention them just to divest Nablus of the fantasy that MMY is not a human being. Never saig he isn't. Actually once asked who he really is he replied; I'm just a ordinary man. Hearing that, Bevan said; well, you just gave us a new definition on what is an ordinary man... Found it quite amusing at the time. :-) What I suggested in this toilet thing is that the physiology of an enlightened person could function differently than in other people. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield,,,I'm sensing some defensiveness
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield,,,I'm sensing some defensiveness on 8/13/06 8:41 AM, nablus108 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I mention them just to divest Nablus of the fantasy that MMY is not a human being. Never saig he isn't. Actually once asked who he really is he replied; I'm just a ordinary man. Hearing that, Bevan said; well, you just gave us a new definition on what is an ordinary man... Found it quite amusing at the time. :-) What I suggested in this toilet thing is that the physiology of an enlightened person could function differently than in other people. Could. But I say if hes gotta eat, hes gotta poop. And he does both, and has always had access to a toilet. So your story only reinforced your reputation as a dreamer. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bill (William)Simmons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi folks, I have just joined and looking to learn more about the whole Maharishi thing from the folks who actually live in Fairfield. I just broke up with a woman who has been a hard core meditator for 25 yrs. I think she's been totally brain washed by this movement and the Maharishi. I calmly said to her the other day I thought he (Maharishi) was a liar a cheat and a fruad. I thought she was going to kill me. I have never witnessed such anger rage or hatred in my life. Keep an open mind. There are fanatics and cultists who have taken the TM Program and made it what it isn't...perhaps your ex did that. You will find those of us on this forum who do TM regularly yet are disgusted with the TMO. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bill (William)Simmons unclewas@ wrote: Hi folks, I have just joined and looking to learn more about the whole Maharishi thing from the folks who actually live in Fairfield. I just broke up with a woman who has been a hard core meditator for 25 yrs. I think she's been totally brain washed by this movement and the Maharishi. I calmly said to her the other day I thought he (Maharishi) was a liar a cheat and a fruad. I thought she was going to kill me. I have never witnessed such anger rage or hatred in my life. Sounds like you *wanted* to break up with her. You must have had some idea that it would make her angry to just come out with it coldly like that. Bill: If you engage this person in debate you will soon learn yourself what your girlfriend felt when you thought she was going to kill you. How long had you been together? Do you want to get *back* together, or just figure out what happened? (I know people who go ballistic if you say George W. Bush is a liar, a cheat, and a fraud.) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is really so true, Rick, and despite my humorous (I think) response it's exactly the way I feel as well. We talk about MMY more than anyone else because he's been more important in our lives than most other people. That is right. He was the most important in our lives - and that is sad. The most important should be spiritual development. Years ago, before I was kicked out of the TMO, a nasty thought came up,that for further development you have to let go the attachment for the Master also. I denied it then - but it seems that it was the right thing for me. Ingegerd Sal On Aug 11, 2006, at 10:02 PM, Rick Archer wrote: So yes, Maharishi is a liar. He has also spoken a lot of truth. He's a cheat, but he has generously given far more than the average person. He's a fraud, but judging from the benefits many have derived from his teachings, he's the real deal. And also, of course, I'm all those things too. And you are. We all possess all qualities in various measures and degrees of manifestation. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bill (William)Simmons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi folks, I have just joined and looking to learn more about the whole Maharishi thing from the folks who actually live in Fairfield. I just broke up with a woman who has been a hard core meditator for 25 yrs. I think she's been totally brain washed by this movement and the Maharishi. I calmly said to her the other day I thought he (Maharishi) was a liar a cheat and a fruad. I thought she was going to kill me. I have never witnessed such anger rage or hatred in my life. Well...those might've been her suppressed thoughts, too... :0 To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield,, Cardemaister
Funny you should say that,,,(that it might be her supressed thoughts too. Because there is this part of me that thinks the very same. I thought if I through as much unconditional love her way as humanly possible I could reach her and I thought I was. She would say things like ,,,This is the first time in my life that I have been truly happy when we had done something together. Or we would have a perfect weekend together,,,then BAM out of the blue it would be Maharishi this and Maharishi that. It was as if a inner conflict was playing tug of war with her. I know she had a horrible childhood and turmoil in her early adult life led to searching for acceptence and I think she thought she found it in this group. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bill (William)Simmons unclewas@ wrote: Hi folks, I have just joined and looking to learn more about the whole Maharishi thing from the folks who actually live in Fairfield. I just broke up with a woman who has been a hard core meditator for 25 yrs. I think she's been totally brain washed by this movement and the Maharishi. I calmly said to her the other day I thought he (Maharishi) was a liar a cheat and a fruad. I thought she was going to kill me. I have never witnessed such anger rage or hatred in my life. Sounds like you *wanted* to break up with her. You must have had some idea that it would make her angry to just come out with it coldly like that. Bill: If you engage this person in debate you will soon learn yourself what your girlfriend felt when you thought she was going to kill you. On the other hand, Bill, if you listen to Shemp, you might actually get the idea that a debate is involved when it isn't. How long had you been together? Do you want to get *back* together, or just figure out what happened? (I know people who go ballistic if you say George W. Bush is a liar, a cheat, and a fraud.) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield on 8/12/06 6:36 AM, Bill (William)Simmons at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When I first started dating me she was absolutely convinced she levitated meanwhile I'm down stairs listening to the floor upstairs squeak like hell as she bounced up and down on the bed. One things for certain,,,she's got great thigh muscle development. I used that phase often during my TM career. Its based on the assumption that Maharishi has a handle on Absolute Truth. The materials in http://tinyurl.com/bt7sp should cause even the most hard core TB to question that assumption. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bill (William)Simmons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you Sal. There seems to be an addiction to the flying thing. She told me many times things like. I wouldn't be alive without it. I can't get through the day without it. It is the most important thing in my life. I don't want to work I just want to meditate. Meditation is the answer to everything. She admits to being addicted to it and I have witnessed the increased stress levels and nervousness if she doesn't have her daily fix. Irratibility, nervousness, short tempered. Almost like a drug addict going through withdrawls. What was she like before she learned TM? Hell I dpicked her up from Huntsville Ontario once, at Maharishi site up here in Canada and the whole three hour car ride home it seemed like she was spaced out and everything was ,,,Maharishi says,,,Maharishi says,,,Maharishi says,,,as if totally brain washed and programmed. How can you tell the difference between someone who is totally brainwashed and programmed and somebody who is so excited by something they've just learned they can't stop talking about it? I've been reading a lot of internet sites of former TM teachers, governors etc and a couple sites including one posting the results of a German Youth Ministry Study on the affects of long term hard core TM brand meditation and it doesn't sound like the simple relaxation technique this Maharishi guy sells. Just for the record, the German study is a complete crock. If you're interested to know more, do a search on Google Groups in the group alt.meditation.transcendental for German study. For that matter, practically everything you'll find on Trancenet is dubious in one way or the other. Not a reliable source of information on TM. I'm reminded of the drug pusher who offers a kid his first Toke',,,Hey its good for you, it'll chill you out,,,and then slowly he sucks you into harder core drugs like the yogic flying er levitating,,,er hopping. Most people just learn TM and go away and practice it on their own without going any further or becoming involved in the TM organization. It's also entirely possible to learn the TM-Sidhis and/or become involved with the TM organization without getting into a cultlike relationship with it. Some people seem to need to establish a cultlike relationship with the TMO, and unfortunately the TMO doesn't do anything to discourage that. When I first started dating me Freudian slip?? she was absolutely convinced she levitated meanwhile I'm down stairs listening to the floor upstairs squeak like hell as she bounced up and down on the bed. One things for certain,,,she's got great thigh muscle development. I kind of doubt she believed she was actually levitating beyond the first stage (hopping) of Yogic Flying. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 8/12/06 6:36 AM, Bill (William)Simmons at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When I first started dating me she was absolutely convinced she levitated meanwhile I'm down stairs listening to the floor upstairs squeak like hell as she bounced up and down on the bed. One things for certain,,,she's got great thigh muscle development. I used that phase often during my TM career. It¹s based on the assumption that Maharishi has a handle on Absolute Truth. Or, that he has a handle on the truth about the nature and mechanics of consciousness. Absolute Truth is often a weasel phrase in this context designed to load the argument. The materials in http://tinyurl.com/bt7sp should cause even the most hard core TB to question that assumption. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield
How you guys could maintain a relationship is beyond me. She's a hardcore Ru' and your a non-meditator (very low cosmic status). How long did you guys go out together? --- Bill (William)Simmons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you Sal. There seems to be an addiction to the flying thing. She told me many times things like. I wouldn't be alive without it. I can't get through the day without it. It is the most important thing in my life. I don't want to work I just want to meditate. Meditation is the answer to everything. She admits to being addicted to it and I have witnessed the increased stress levels and nervousness if she doesn't have her daily fix. Irratibility, nervousness, short tempered. Almost like a drug addict going through withdrawls. Hell I dpicked her up from Huntsville Ontario once, at Maharishi site up here in Canada and the whole three hour car ride home it seemed like she was spaced out and everything was ,,,Maharishi says,,,Maharishi says,,,Maharishi says,,,as if totally brain washed and programmed. I've been reading a lot of internet sites of former TM teachers, governors etc and a couple sites including one posting the results of a German Youth Ministry Study on the affects of long term hard core TM brand meditation and it doesn't sound like the simple relaxation technique this Maharishi guy sells. I'm reminded of the drug pusher who offers a kid his first Toke',,,Hey its good for you, it'll chill you out,,,and then slowly he sucks you into harder core drugs like the yogic flying er levitating,,,er hopping. When I first started dating me she was absolutely convinced she levitated meanwhile I'm down stairs listening to the floor upstairs squeak like hell as she bounced up and down on the bed. One things for certain,,,she's got great thigh muscle development. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield on 8/12/06 7:51 AM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 8/12/06 6:36 AM, Bill (William)Simmons at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When I first started dating me she was absolutely convinced she levitated meanwhile I'm down stairs listening to the floor upstairs squeak like hell as she bounced up and down on the bed. One things for certain,,,she's got great thigh muscle development. I used that phase often during my TM career. Its based on the assumption that Maharishi has a handle on Absolute Truth. Or, that he has a handle on the truth about the nature and mechanics of consciousness. Absolute Truth is often a weasel phrase in this context designed to load the argument. Another way of putting it would be that he does have a handle on Absolute Truth, but that that doesnt qualify him as an authority on all matters of relative truth. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 8/12/06 7:51 AM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife% 40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer groups@ wrote: on 8/12/06 6:36 AM, Bill (William)Simmons at unclewas@ wrote: When I first started dating me she was absolutely convinced she levitated meanwhile I'm down stairs listening to the floor upstairs squeak like hell as she bounced up and down on the bed. One things for certain,,,she's got great thigh muscle development. I used that phase often during my TM career. It¹s based on the assumption that Maharishi has a handle on Absolute Truth. Or, that he has a handle on the truth about the nature and mechanics of consciousness. Absolute Truth is often a weasel phrase in this context designed to load the argument. Another way of putting it would be that he does have a handle on Absolute Truth, but that that doesn¹t qualify him as an authority on all matters of relative truth. I'm not sure what having a handle on Absolute Truth even means, actually. I'd say instead that having a handle on the truth about the nature and mechanics of consciousness doesn't qualify him as an authority on all matters of relative truth. How does any of this apply to a TM-Sidhis practitioner referring to hopping as levitation while being aware that hopping isn't actually levitating in the standard sense of the term? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ wrote: on 8/12/06 7:51 AM, authfriend at jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife% 40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer groups@ wrote: on 8/12/06 6:36 AM, Bill (William)Simmons at unclewas@ wrote: When I first started dating me she was absolutely convinced she levitated meanwhile I'm down stairs listening to the floor upstairs squeak like hell as she bounced up and down on the bed. One things for certain,,,she's got great thigh muscle development. I used that phase often during my TM career. It¹s based on the assumption that Maharishi has a handle on Absolute Truth. Or, that he has a handle on the truth about the nature and mechanics of consciousness. Absolute Truth is often a weasel phrase in this context designed to load the argument. Another way of putting it would be that he does have a handle on Absolute Truth, but that that doesn¹t qualify him as an authority on all matters of relative truth. I'm not sure what having a handle on Absolute Truth even means, actually. I'd say instead that having a handle on the truth about the nature and mechanics of consciousness doesn't qualify him as an authority on all matters of relative truth. How does any of this apply to a TM-Sidhis practitioner referring to hopping as levitation while being aware that hopping isn't actually levitating in the standard sense of the term? P.S.: That's why Absolute Truth in this context was a weasel phrase. It had nothing to do with the particular issue being discussed, it was just thrown in to make True Believers sound especially ridiculous. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield on 8/12/06 8:27 AM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How does any of this apply to a TM-Sidhis practitioner referring to hopping as levitation while being aware that hopping isn't actually levitating in the standard sense of the term? Maharishi sez its levitation. On the Merv Griffin show and elsewhere, he refers to hopping as being something that verifies meditators command over the laws of nature. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield
--- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Another way of putting it would be that he does have a handle on Absolute Truth, but that that doesn¹t qualify him as an authority on all matters of relative truth. And this is when the cult-like quality enters in the TMO. People handover their authority over their own experience to another (MMY/TMO) under the erroneous assumption that there is a perfect or objectively correct way to live their life. This is an infantile wish of the perfect parent being projected and acted out. The TMO, at least in my experience in the USA, strongly encourages this, but ironically MMY doesn't engage in this on a one-to-one level. When people ask MMY what they should do in a particular situation many times he'll ask what they think they should do and then he'll say, Do that. This lack of authority over ones own life is a deep, deep attachment that so many hardcore Ru's have. I see MMY as doing his best to break it with all the crazy nonesese over the last 20 years. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield on 8/12/06 8:34 AM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: P.S.: That's why Absolute Truth in this context was a weasel phrase. It had nothing to do with the particular issue being discussed, it was just thrown in to make True Believers sound especially ridiculous. But I believe that is the underlying assumption of those who use the phrase Maharishi says. That phrase carries a lot more weight than I say or George Bush (etc.) says. The assumption is that because Maharishi is enlightened, he knows the truth about anything he puts his attention on, whether politics, economics, agriculture, etc. Its like the Pope says for a devout Catholic. He is Gods representative, so its almost like saying God says. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield,,,I'm sensing some defensiveness
That's ok,,,I am certainly accustomed to defensiveness both passive and agressive when speaking about TM with TM'rs How can you tell the difference between someone who is totally brainwashed and programmed and somebody who is so excited by something they've just learned they can't stop talking about it? Personally, when I am excited about something I have experienced I speak in terms of I and we but in the case in point it was all Maharishi,,,Maharishi,,,Maharishi. Indicating an almost absence of self awareness and identity. Only Maharishi existed,,,only his word, his thoughts, his ideals,,,truely frightening that one person, a simple man who bleeds like the rest of us,,,eats like the rest of us and excretes bodily wastes like the rest of us could be looked upon as different. But then I have walked through the halls of his Center of Enlightenment in Huntsville. Dingy, old, smells of mould, paint pealing off the walls. Kitchen appliances that look like fire hazards. It seemed totally void of life joy or happiness. I felt like I was walking through a morgue. No plants, no flowers only picture after endless picture of Maharishi himself on the walls. Just for the record, the German study is a complete crock. If you're interested to know more, do a search on Google Groups in the group alt.meditation.transcendental for German study. Ah yes an impartial government study is a crock. Well I don't think the German courts share you view. Can you tell me who set up and who sponsored the site you have recommended? For that matter, practically everything you'll find on Trancenet is dubious in one way or the other. Not a reliable source of information on TM. I have been to far more sites then Trancenet but thank you for your advice. Most people just learn TM and go away and practice it on their own without going any further or becoming involved in the TM organization. It's also entirely possible to learn the TM-Sidhis and/or become involved with the TM organization without getting into a cultlike relationship with it. Some people seem to need to establish a cultlike relationship with the TMO, and unfortunately the TMO doesn't do anything to discourage that. Absolutely and I couldn't agree more with these statements. In fact I meditate myself,,,regularly. But its not just the cult like mentality referring to the TMO it is also the worshipping of a man, that man being Maharishi. He's just a man who has made billions selling a customised version of Hinduism. And there's nothing wrong with that. Just be honest and call it what it is. When I first started dating me Freudian slip?? More like a reality check,,,in the final analysis I was dating myself. Her mind was no where to be found, then again neither was her heart. I kind of doubt she believed she was actually levitating beyond the first stage (hopping) of Yogic Flying. Wanna bet!!! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield
Bill, I'd say you're lucky the relationship is over--chalk it up to a learning experience. Many of us felt that way at some point (not the extreme anger part, but definitely the protective of all things having to do with MMY part. She'll move on too, I predict, when she realizes the TMO no longer fits her fantasies. Doesn't mean she'll give up all things TM, just that the illusion stage will be over. Sal On Aug 12, 2006, at 6:36 AM, Bill (William)Simmons wrote: Thank you Sal. There seems to be an addiction to the flying thing. She told me many times things like. I wouldn't be alive without it. I can't get through the day without it. It is the most important thing in my life. I don't want to work I just want to meditate. Meditation is the answer to everything. She admits to being addicted to it and I have witnessed the increased stress levels and nervousness if she doesn't have her daily fix. Irratibility, nervousness, short tempered. Almost like a drug addict going through withdrawls. Hell I dpicked her up from Huntsville Ontario once, at Maharishi site up here in Canada and the whole three hour car ride home it seemed like she was spaced out and everything was ,,,Maharishi says,,,Maharishi says,,,Maharishi says,,,as if totally brain washed and programmed. I've been reading a lot of internet sites of former TM teachers, governors etc and a couple sites including one posting the results of a German Youth Ministry Study on the affects of long term hard core TM brand meditation and it doesn't sound like the simple relaxation technique this Maharishi guy sells. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield
--- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 8/12/06 8:34 AM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: P.S.: That's why Absolute Truth in this context was a weasel phrase. It had nothing to do with the particular issue being discussed, it was just thrown in to make True Believers sound especially ridiculous. But I believe that is the underlying assumption of those who use the phrase ³Maharishi says.² That phrase carries a lot more weight than ³I say² or ³George Bush (etc.) says.² The assumption is that because Maharishi is enlightened, he knows the truth about anything he puts his attention on, whether politics, economics, agriculture, etc. It¹s like ³the Pope says² for a devout Catholic. He is God¹s representative, so it¹s almost like saying ³God says.² Again, an infantile wish of people with bad parents still fixated on internalizing the perfect other. You can talk to an otherwise perfectly intelligent, rational person about many things but once you hit their perfect mommy/daddy zone they go insane and refuse any rational discourse in order to cling to the belief that MMY, Bush, the Pope,etc., is, essentially, perfect. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 8/12/06 8:27 AM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How does any of this apply to a TM-Sidhis practitioner referring to hopping as levitation while being aware that hopping isn't actually levitating in the standard sense of the term? ³Maharishi sez² it¹s levitation. On the Merv Griffin show and elsewhere, he refers to hopping as being something that verifies meditators¹ command over the laws of nature. In the first place, that falls into the handle on the nature and mechanics of consciousness category, not the Absolute Truth category. In the second place, you ignored the context, which I included in the while being aware part of my question. Bill had claimed his former GF was absolutely convinced she was levitating, which makes her sound ipso facto delusional, believing she was hovering in the air when she in fact was only hopping. Believing, on the other hand, that hopping with the Yogic Flying sutra verifies that one has command over the laws of nature is not *ipso facto* delusional, however unlikely one thinks such a belief may be. It's possible (if unfalsifiable) that the nature and mechanics of consciousness are such that the mechanism of hopping with the Yogic Flying sutra involves some degree of control over the law of gravity. To call such a belief delusional would therefore be just an opinion, whereas the conviction that one is hovering when one is actually only hopping would be delusional as a matter of fact. This is a subtle but by no means insignificant distinction; to deliberately blur it constitutes an attempt to load the argument, as I said to start with. Were you ever convinced you were actually hovering in the air when you were only hopping? Or were you simply using the term levitate to refer to the immediate physical effects of practicing the Yogic Flying sutra, i.e., hopping? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 8/12/06 8:34 AM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: P.S.: That's why Absolute Truth in this context was a weasel phrase. It had nothing to do with the particular issue being discussed, it was just thrown in to make True Believers sound especially ridiculous. But I believe that is the underlying assumption of those who use the phrase ³Maharishi says.² That phrase carries a lot more weight than ³I say² or ³George Bush (etc.) says.² The assumption is that because Maharishi is enlightened, he knows the truth about anything he puts his attention on, whether politics, economics, agriculture, etc. It¹s like ³the Pope says² for a devout Catholic. He is God¹s representative, so it¹s almost like saying ³God says.² Again you're avoiding the context. What does this have to do with someone calling hopping levitation while being fully aware that what they're doing is not levitation in the standard sense of the term, i.e., floating in the air? I don't *think* you're claiming that people who believe MMY has a handle on Absolute Truth as you define it are convinced they're hovering in the air when they're only hopping--are you? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield,,,I'm sensing some defensiveness
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bill (William)Simmons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's ok,,,I am certainly accustomed to defensiveness both passive and agressive when speaking about TM with TM'rs Do you ever defend things you believe in when others criticize them? Are you being defensive when you do that? How can you tell the difference between someone who is totally brainwashed and programmed and somebody who is so excited by something they've just learned they can't stop talking about it? Personally, when I am excited about something I have experienced I speak in terms of I and we but in the case in point it was all Maharishi,,,Maharishi,,,Maharishi. Indicating an almost absence of self awareness and identity. Only Maharishi existed,,,only his word, his thoughts, his ideals OK, that's a reasonable criterion. I'm not sure it's *definitive*, but it's a place to start. ,,,truely frightening that one person, a simple man who bleeds like the rest of us,,,eats like the rest of us and excretes bodily wastes like the rest of us could be looked upon as different. Unless there are differences that don't have to do with physical functions. But then I have walked through the halls of his Center of Enlightenment in Huntsville. Dingy, old, smells of mould, paint pealing off the walls. Kitchen appliances that look like fire hazards. It seemed totally void of life joy or happiness. I felt like I was walking through a morgue. No plants, no flowers only picture after endless picture of Maharishi himself on the walls. Don't know about Huntsville, but there are TM centers that are a lot more pleasant. Just for the record, the German study is a complete crock. If you're interested to know more, do a search on Google Groups in the group alt.meditation.transcendental for German study. Ah yes an impartial government study is a crock. It was neither a government study nor impartial. I wonder where you got the impression that it was? Well I don't think the German courts share you view. Actually, the lower court that ruled on the initial lawsuit brought by TM found the following: The documentary evidence submitted by the Plaintiffs and by the Defendant does not demonstrate that individuals who are actively involved in the TM movement, or who meditate only according to the TM technique, are more susceptible to mental illness than the average population. The Documentation About the Effects of Youth Religion on Minors in Specific Cases prepared by the Action for Mental and Psychic Freedom, and the Documentation on Transcendental Meditation, as well as the study Differential Effects of the Practice of Transcendental Meditation prepared by the Institute for Youth and Society, headquartered in Bensheim, are not based on a scientific sampling. These studies dealt only with isolated cases, and only with persons who are hostile to the movement were interviewed. Moreover, in well over half of the cases studied, the persons interviewed had no direct knowledge [of the TM technique or organization], since the information was obtained from third parties, i.e., parents or spouses, without the presence of those who had been directly involved. These studies were prepared by religious-ideological opponents of the TM movement, and are obviously biased. Note: the Institute for Youth and Society is not an agency of the German government. TM brought the lawsuit against the government to prevent it from citing the findings of the study from this institute because it was so absurdly unscientific and biased. The government appealed the lower court's ruling in favor of TM; and the decisions in the higher courts against TM's suit were made on jurisdictional grounds. The lower court was the only one to rule on whether the study itself was valid. Did you find that information wherever you read about the German study? Here's a link to a detailed post on exactly what was involved in the court case (from the Google Group alt.meditation.transcendental): http://tinyurl.com/ovhah Can you tell me who set up and who sponsored the site you have recommended? alt.meditation.transcendental is a Usenet newsgroup that's been around since 1994. Google Groups maintains the Usenet archives and provides an interface for participation in the newsgroups via the Web. alt.m.t was initially started by TMers (not the TMO, by the way), but it was quickly invaded by TM critics. What you'll find there if you do a search for German study is extensive debate between supporters and critics of TM (prominently including the participation of John Knapp, the then-proprietor of the anti-TM site Trancenet). For that matter, practically everything you'll find on Trancenet is dubious in one way or the other. Not a reliable source of information on TM. I have been to far more sites then
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield,,,Peter
Just over two years Peter. A great woman, I adored her and still do. When she was peaceful she was like an angel. But then out of nowhere. Actually it was usually a day or two after we had done something really nice together,,,that this demon side appearred and all hell would break loose. It was as if a part of her couldn't handle being happy she needed to return to chaos. She would reffer to her meditation experiencing as achieving comsic orgasms,,,I thought to myself oh great what is this a form of mental masterbation. I actually observed her once while she was meditating. At age 50th in my eyes she's the most beautiful woman in the world. But on that afternoon while in her trance her face look distorted hagard and old. It was almost frightening and it left me wondering just how much joy and bliss could she have possibly be feeling. I've been in emergency services for 30 years Peter and have a great deal of patience with people and so I really tried to be patient with her but finally and again out of the blue she announced Maharishi says we need to be celibate in order to channel all our energies to our higher spiritual intellect. That's when I finally had even enough and said something like,,,Oh sure Maharishi says everyone should be celibate but himreffering to a years ago comment by the beatles calling him a lecherous womaniser. I know it was the wrong thing to say and the conversation went down hill from there to include He's a liar a cheat and a fraud. Thought I was going to have to call 911 myself for backup. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield,,,I'm sensing some defensiveness
Bill's next two first dates: Bill So what do you think about these yogic flyers for world peace I saw in the paper? Date Oh my God I am a yogic flyer, I was on that course and it filled me with bliss! Bill Waiter, check please. (sound of tires squealing all the way out of the parking lot.) Next women: Bill So what do you think about these yogic flyers for world peace I saw in the paper? Date Yogurt what? Bill Oh never mind, please tell me about where you grew up? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bill (William)Simmons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's ok,,,I am certainly accustomed to defensiveness both passive and agressive when speaking about TM with TM'rs How can you tell the difference between someone who is totally brainwashed and programmed and somebody who is so excited by something they've just learned they can't stop talking about it? Personally, when I am excited about something I have experienced I speak in terms of I and we but in the case in point it was all Maharishi,,,Maharishi,,,Maharishi. Indicating an almost absence of self awareness and identity. Only Maharishi existed,,,only his word, his thoughts, his ideals,,,truely frightening that one person, a simple man who bleeds like the rest of us,,,eats like the rest of us and excretes bodily wastes like the rest of us could be looked upon as different. But then I have walked through the halls of his Center of Enlightenment in Huntsville. Dingy, old, smells of mould, paint pealing off the walls. Kitchen appliances that look like fire hazards. It seemed totally void of life joy or happiness. I felt like I was walking through a morgue. No plants, no flowers only picture after endless picture of Maharishi himself on the walls. Just for the record, the German study is a complete crock. If you're interested to know more, do a search on Google Groups in the group alt.meditation.transcendental for German study. Ah yes an impartial government study is a crock. Well I don't think the German courts share you view. Can you tell me who set up and who sponsored the site you have recommended? For that matter, practically everything you'll find on Trancenet is dubious in one way or the other. Not a reliable source of information on TM. I have been to far more sites then Trancenet but thank you for your advice. Most people just learn TM and go away and practice it on their own without going any further or becoming involved in the TM organization. It's also entirely possible to learn the TM-Sidhis and/or become involved with the TM organization without getting into a cultlike relationship with it. Some people seem to need to establish a cultlike relationship with the TMO, and unfortunately the TMO doesn't do anything to discourage that. Absolutely and I couldn't agree more with these statements. In fact I meditate myself,,,regularly. But its not just the cult like mentality referring to the TMO it is also the worshipping of a man, that man being Maharishi. He's just a man who has made billions selling a customised version of Hinduism. And there's nothing wrong with that. Just be honest and call it what it is. When I first started dating me Freudian slip?? More like a reality check,,,in the final analysis I was dating myself. Her mind was no where to be found, then again neither was her heart. I kind of doubt she believed she was actually levitating beyond the first stage (hopping) of Yogic Flying. Wanna bet!!! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield,,,Peter
Bill, Are you sure she doesn't have some other problems--like depression or bipolarism? Sounds like there is something more going on than just defending MMY. If so, it wouldn't be all that unusual--many of us looked to TM as a cure-all, until it became obvious it wasn't. And those quick flashes of anger, seemingly out of nowhere, are something I have learned to avoid. I find them scary. Sal On Aug 12, 2006, at 9:50 AM, Bill (William)Simmons wrote: A great woman, I adored her and still do. When she was peaceful she was like an angel. But then out of nowhere. Actually it was usually a day or two after we had done something really nice together,,,that this demon side appearred and all hell would break loose. It was as if a part of her couldn't handle being happy she needed to return to chaos. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield,,,I'm sensing some defensiveness
But that's just it--you weren't supposed to have to believe in anything when you started TM (as it wasn't a religion--remember?). You didn't even need to believe TM worked--all you had to do was practice it, 2X/day, believing whatever you wanted about that or anything else. Sal On Aug 12, 2006, at 9:49 AM, authfriend wrote: Do you ever defend things you believe in when others criticize them? Are you being defensive when you do that? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bill (William)Simmons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you Sal. There seems to be an addiction to the flying thing. She told me many times things like. I wouldn't be alive without it. I can't get through the day without it. It is the most important thing in my life. I don't want to work I just want to meditate. Meditation is the answer to everything. She admits to being addicted to it and I have witnessed the increased stress levels and nervousness if she doesn't have her daily fix. Irratibility, nervousness, short tempered. Almost like a drug addict going through withdrawls. Hell I dpicked her up from Huntsville Ontario once, at Maharishi site up here in Canada and the whole three hour car ride home it seemed like she was spaced out and everything was ,,,Maharishi says,,,Maharishi says,,,Maharishi says,,,as if totally brain washed and programmed. I've been reading a lot of internet sites of former TM teachers, governors etc and a couple sites including one posting the results of a German Youth Ministry Study on the affects of long term hard core TM brand meditation and it doesn't sound like the simple relaxation technique this Maharishi guy sells. I'm reminded of the drug pusher who offers a kid his first Toke',,,Hey its good for you, it'll chill you out,,,and then slowly he sucks you into harder core drugs like the yogic flying er levitating,,,er hopping. When I first started dating me she was absolutely convinced she levitated meanwhile I'm down stairs listening to the floor upstairs squeak like hell as she bounced up and down on the bed. One things for certain,,,she's got great thigh muscle development. Boy, she must have been very beautiful or had a very charming personality for you to stand her for so long. How could you put up with all of that? For the record, very few TMers that I know were like that. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield,, Cardemaister
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bill (William)Simmons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Funny you should say that,,,(that it might be her supressed thoughts too. Because there is this part of me that thinks the very same. I thought if I through as much unconditional love her way as humanly possible I could reach her and I thought I was. She would say things like ,,,This is the first time in my life that I have been truly happy when we had done something together. Or we would have a perfect weekend together,,,then BAM out of the blue it would be Maharishi this and Maharishi that. It was as if a inner conflict was playing tug of war with her. I know she had a horrible childhood and turmoil in her early adult life This may be the reason why she was the way she was. Don't project too much on the TMO as being responsible...I think she came with alot of baggage. led to searching for acceptence and I think she thought she found it in this group. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield,,,Peter
Sal,,,I'm quite certain of it. I think the meditation is her own personal crutch or a happy pill. Just pop and hop and she feels better temporarily. But it doesn't address the underlying root causes/demons etc. But because Maharishi says just meditate more and all your problems will go away. She appears totally convinced that more money on more time and more meditation will bring her the peace she wants. Ironically I think the path to enlightment is the path in which we do away with all our needs. Afterall it is our percieved NEEDS that tie us down. And if a person NEEDS a Guru's guidance or meditation or anything then it is still a need and still an obstacle to enlightment. So I guess what I'm saying is until one can give up meditation and give up Maharishi or anyone else for that matter, How can one reach true enlightment. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 8/12/06 6:36 AM, Bill (William)Simmons at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When I first started dating me she was absolutely convinced she levitated meanwhile I'm down stairs listening to the floor upstairs squeak like hell as she bounced up and down on the bed. One things for certain,,,she's got great thigh muscle development. I used that phase often during my TM career. It¹s based on the assumption that Maharishi has a handle on Absolute Truth. The materials in http://tinyurl.com/bt7sp should cause even the most hard core TB to question that assumption. It should if you were a cult member. Rick, you were involved with the TMO and MMY way, way outside the orbit of being a mere practitioner of the TM Program. You embraced something that had a guru, an organisation that had a belief system and an entirely separate and different way of life than an ordinary American. You weren't forced into it and you weren't required to partake of it. In fact, you were told in the first 5 minutes of the Introductory Lecture -- your first official exposure to the TMO -- that it wasn't a philosophy or a religion yet you went right ahead and partook of that by becoming a TM teacher and living amongst the celibates and inner circle of MMY for many, many years. So, yeah, I agree with many of your complaints about the TMO and MMY but in the interests of balance and fairness, you willingly went into that lifestyle that was the opposite of the TM Program. You can't now turn around and claim shock and awe for all the horrible things that the Movement turned out to be. For, to use your words above, the most hardcore TBer to now question his assumptions by looking at the materials you cite, is a bit ingenious. A TBer would have to be a complete idiot to now feel shock at all these revelations when from Day One of anyone's involvement in the TMO or TMO Inner Circle it was obvious that it was off the program. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield,,,I'm sensing some defensiveness
I like your reasoning Sal!!! ItsasimplerelaxationtechniqueWAS --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But that's just it--you weren't supposed to have to believe in anything when you started TM (as it wasn't a religion--remember?). You didn't even need to believe TM worked--all you had to do was practice it, 2X/day, believing whatever you wanted about that or anything else. Sal On Aug 12, 2006, at 9:49 AM, authfriend wrote: Do you ever defend things you believe in when others criticize them? Are you being defensive when you do that? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bill (William)Simmons unclewas@ wrote: Thank you Sal. There seems to be an addiction to the flying thing. She told me many times things like. I wouldn't be alive without it. I can't get through the day without it. It is the most important thing in my life. I don't want to work I just want to meditate. Meditation is the answer to everything. She admits to being addicted to it and I have witnessed the increased stress levels and nervousness if she doesn't have her daily fix. Irratibility, nervousness, short tempered. Almost like a drug addict going through withdrawls. What was she like before she learned TM? Hell I dpicked her up from Huntsville Ontario once, at Maharishi site up here in Canada and the whole three hour car ride home it seemed like she was spaced out and everything was ,,,Maharishi says,,,Maharishi says,,,Maharishi says,,,as if totally brain washed and programmed. How can you tell the difference between someone who is totally brainwashed and programmed and somebody who is so excited by something they've just learned they can't stop talking about it? I've been reading a lot of internet sites of former TM teachers, governors etc and a couple sites including one posting the results of a German Youth Ministry Study on the affects of long term hard core TM brand meditation and it doesn't sound like the simple relaxation technique this Maharishi guy sells. Just for the record, the German study is a complete crock. If you're interested to know more, do a search on Google Groups in the group alt.meditation.transcendental for German study. For that matter, practically everything you'll find on Trancenet is dubious in one way or the other. Not a reliable source of information on TM. I'm reminded of the drug pusher who offers a kid his first Toke',,,Hey its good for you, it'll chill you out,,,and then slowly he sucks you into harder core drugs like the yogic flying er levitating,,,er hopping. Most people just learn TM and go away and practice it on their own without going any further or becoming involved in the TM organization. It's also entirely possible to learn the TM-Sidhis and/or become involved with the TM organization without getting into a cultlike relationship with it. Some people seem to need to establish a cultlike relationship with the TMO, and unfortunately the TMO doesn't do anything to discourage that. Well said. And the above three paragraphs sums up how people like this person's girlfriend get involved in what I can only call the TM Cult. Which, as Judy points out, really doesn't have anything to do with TM. Indeed, I would say it's an aberration that attracts the wrong kind of people and because it is NOT discouraged by the TMO, becomes a haven for people who don't have a good grip on reality. And that's why the TMO has become a cult. If it wasn't the people around MMY would have protested in no uncertain terms all the off the program directions he has taken since about 1977. When I first started dating me Freudian slip?? she was absolutely convinced she levitated meanwhile I'm down stairs listening to the floor upstairs squeak like hell as she bounced up and down on the bed. One things for certain,,,she's got great thigh muscle development. I kind of doubt she believed she was actually levitating beyond the first stage (hopping) of Yogic Flying. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How you guys could maintain a relationship is beyond me. She's a hardcore Ru' and your a non-meditator (very low cosmic status). How long did you guys go out together? Yeah, it must have been a horrible and trying time to be with this person for any reasonable length of time. --- Bill (William)Simmons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you Sal. There seems to be an addiction to the flying thing. She told me many times things like. I wouldn't be alive without it. I can't get through the day without it. It is the most important thing in my life. I don't want to work I just want to meditate. Meditation is the answer to everything. She admits to being addicted to it and I have witnessed the increased stress levels and nervousness if she doesn't have her daily fix. Irratibility, nervousness, short tempered. Almost like a drug addict going through withdrawls. Hell I dpicked her up from Huntsville Ontario once, at Maharishi site up here in Canada and the whole three hour car ride home it seemed like she was spaced out and everything was ,,,Maharishi says,,,Maharishi says,,,Maharishi says,,,as if totally brain washed and programmed. I've been reading a lot of internet sites of former TM teachers, governors etc and a couple sites including one posting the results of a German Youth Ministry Study on the affects of long term hard core TM brand meditation and it doesn't sound like the simple relaxation technique this Maharishi guy sells. I'm reminded of the drug pusher who offers a kid his first Toke',,,Hey its good for you, it'll chill you out,,,and then slowly he sucks you into harder core drugs like the yogic flying er levitating,,,er hopping. When I first started dating me she was absolutely convinced she levitated meanwhile I'm down stairs listening to the floor upstairs squeak like hell as she bounced up and down on the bed. One things for certain,,,she's got great thigh muscle development. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield,,,Peter
Very good points about needs, Bill, and how we all need to overcome them--ha, ha. I personally started TM for the relaxation benefits it claimed you'd feel, and that is still why I continue the practice. The concept of enlightenment, whatever it might mean to others, is so vague as to be meaningless IMO, and as such has never had much of a place in my world view and hence stay out of all discussions in which it comes up. (Not to mention the fact that, probably because of its vagueness, I find most discussions of it kind of boring. But others obviously don't, so discuss away! :) ) Sal On Aug 12, 2006, at 10:14 AM, Bill (William)Simmons wrote: Ironically I think the path to enlightment is the path in which we do away with all our needs. Afterall it is our percieved NEEDS that tie us down. And if a person NEEDS a Guru's guidance or meditation or anything then it is still a need and still an obstacle to enlightment. So I guess what I'm saying is until one can give up meditation and give up Maharishi or anyone else for that matter, How can one reach true enlightment. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield,,,Peter
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bill (William)Simmons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just over two years Peter. A great woman, I adored her and still do. When she was peaceful she was like an angel. But then out of nowhere. Actually it was usually a day or two after we had done something really nice together,,,that this demon side appearred and all hell would break loose. It was as if a part of her couldn't handle being happy she needed to return to chaos. She would reffer to her meditation experiencing as achieving comsic orgasms,,,I thought to myself oh great what is this a form of mental masterbation. I actually observed her once while she was meditating. At age 50th in my eyes she's the most beautiful woman in the world. But on that afternoon while in her trance her face look distorted hagard and old. It was almost frightening and it left me wondering just how much joy and bliss could she have possibly be feeling. (I can't resist observing that people's faces tend to get *very* distorted when they're in the middle of an orgasm...) What MMY teaches, incidentally, is that experiences during meditation, bad or good, are not particularly important. What's important is the effects in daily life. If your GF was meditating only for the experiences during practice, she may actually not have been meditating correctly--and that can have *negative* effects in daily life. I've been in emergency services for 30 years Peter and have a great deal of patience with people and so I really tried to be patient with her but finally and again out of the blue she a announced Maharishi says we need to be celibate in order to channel all our energies to our higher spiritual intellect. Uh-oh... That's when I finally had even enough and said something like,,,Oh sure Maharishi says everyone should be celibate but himreffering to a years ago comment by the beatles calling him a lecherous womaniser. I know it was the wrong thing to say and the conversation went down hill from there to include He's a liar a cheat and a fraud. Thought I was going to have to call 911 myself for backup. Look, not to lay blame here, but did you ever consider the possibility that there were some problems with your sexual relationship, that what she was telling you was the equivalent of Not now, dear, I have a headache? I can imagine that if I had been you, I'd have felt felt insulted and demeaned and might have struck back in anger. What I'm trying to get at is that it sounds to me as though you're assigning *all* the problems with your relationship to her commitment to TM and MMY, when in fact there's a mixture of *different* issues, not all of them necessarily hers. From your description of her, though, it also sounds to me as though her issues are pretty extreme, and that she needs some professional help. I doubt you'd be likely to convince her she needs that help in any case, but almost *certainly* not as long as you hold onto your unrelievedly negative views of TM. You're the more rational party at this point. If you really strongly want to be able to help her, it seems to me, you need to acquire a more balanced view of TM so you have a better idea of where she's coming from. I don't have a lot of hope that you'll be successful, but your coming to this forum suggests you still have some motivation, that you're unwilling to just let it end here. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield
Boy, she must have been very beautiful or had a very charming personality for you to stand her for so long. Ah she surely was. In my eyes the most beautiful woman in the world. I would get occassional glimpses of the free spirit within her. Just long nough to keep me coming back for more. How could you put up with all of that? Love for her spirit and hope she would frre herself from the addiction. For the record, very few TMers that I know were like that. I know,,,I've met several of her TM friends, with few exceptions (like any group in life) most were sweet and kind. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield on 8/12/06 8:42 AM, Peter at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:groups%40searchsummit.com wrote: Another way of putting it would be that he does have a handle on Absolute Truth, but that that doesnt qualify him as an authority on all matters of relative truth. And this is when the cult-like quality enters in the TMO. People handover their authority over their own experience to another (MMY/TMO) under the erroneous assumption that there is a perfect or objectively correct way to live their life. This is an infantile wish of the perfect parent being projected and acted out. The TMO, at least in my experience in the USA, strongly encourages this, but ironically MMY doesn't engage in this on a one-to-one level. When people ask MMY what they should do in a particular situation many times he'll ask what they think they should do and then he'll say, Do that. That happened to me once. I asked MMY whether I should marry my girlfriend and handed him a photo of her. He looked at it for a long time without saying anything. Finally I said, Perhaps I should decide, and he said, Yes, you should decide. Amma often gives personal advice, quite astute IMO, but people get carried away with it. I was in the darshan line this summer and the guy in front of me held a note that read, Amma, should so-and-so (someones name) continue to pursue legal action against her uncles? __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield,,,I'm sensing some defensiveness
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But that's just it--you weren't supposed to have to believe in anything when you started TM (as it wasn't a religion--remember?). Wasn't talking about religious belief per se. You didn't even need to believe TM worked--all you had to do was practice it, 2X/day, believing whatever you wanted about that or anything else. Well, you'd have to believe it was doing you some good or you'd have no motivation to continue. And you would have to *practice* regularly, or the whole issue would obviously be moot. Sal On Aug 12, 2006, at 9:49 AM, authfriend wrote: Do you ever defend things you believe in when others criticize them? Are you being defensive when you do that? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 8/12/06 8:34 AM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: P.S.: That's why Absolute Truth in this context was a weasel phrase. It had nothing to do with the particular issue being discussed, it was just thrown in to make True Believers sound especially ridiculous. But I believe that is the underlying assumption of those who use the phrase ³Maharishi says.² That phrase carries a lot more weight than ³I say² or ³George Bush (etc.) says.² The assumption is that because Maharishi is enlightened, he knows the truth about anything he puts his attention on, whether politics, economics, agriculture, etc. It¹s like ³the Pope says² for a devout Catholic. He is God¹s representative, so it¹s almost like saying ³God says.² ...and that's why I love turning the tables on the TBers by citing things such as the hundreds of meditations or the we are satisfied quotes to them... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Another way of putting it would be that he does have a handle on Absolute Truth, but that that doesn¹t qualify him as an authority on all matters of relative truth. And this is when the cult-like quality enters in the TMO. People handover their authority over their own experience to another (MMY/TMO) under the erroneous assumption that there is a perfect or objectively correct way to live their life. This is an infantile wish of the perfect parent being projected and acted out. The TMO, at least in my experience in the USA, strongly encourages this, but ironically MMY doesn't engage in this on a one-to-one level. When people ask MMY what they should do in a particular situation many times he'll ask what they think they should do and then he'll say, Do that. This lack of authority over ones own life is a deep, deep attachment that so many hardcore Ru's have. I see MMY as doing his best to break it with all the crazy nonesese over the last 20 years. ...but you do get alot of free labor for your organisation by encouraging the nonsense. And as cynical as it may sound, I really believe that is one of the motivations for the TMO to encourage the cultism around it. Because let's face it: it doesn't take a genius to figure out that the lifestyles of the people in the TMO and the way the TMO conducts its affairs is in direct contradiction to the way the TM Program is taught. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield,,,Authfriend
You make some valid points. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield on 8/12/06 8:58 AM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Were you ever convinced you were actually hovering in the air when you were only hopping? Or were you simply using the term levitate to refer to the immediate physical effects of practicing the Yogic Flying sutra, i.e., hopping? I used the standard line that hopping was the first stage of flying, but maintained that at the hopping stage, no laws of Newtonian physics were being violated. MMY and the TMO intentionally give the impression that they are. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield on 8/12/06 10:14 AM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, yeah, I agree with many of your complaints about the TMO and MMY but in the interests of balance and fairness, you willingly went into that lifestyle that was the opposite of the TM Program. You can't now turn around and claim shock and awe for all the horrible things that the Movement turned out to be. Have I done that? I dont think so. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield,,,I'm sensing some defensiveness
No, Judy, no belief in its efficacy was needed, not when I started anyway. The motivation would come once the relaxation benefits came, so the reasoning went. And yes, I did say you needed to do it 2X a day in my paragraph below. Sal On Aug 12, 2006, at 10:31 AM, authfriend wrote: You didn't even need to believe TM worked--all you had to do was practice it, 2X/day, believing whatever you wanted about that or anything else. Well, you'd have to believe it was doing you some good or you'd have no motivation to continue. And you would have to *practice* regularly, or the whole issue would obviously be moot. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield,,,I'm sensing some defensiveness
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bill (William)Simmons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's ok,,,I am certainly accustomed to defensiveness both passive and agressive when speaking about TM with TM'rs How can you tell the difference between someone who is totally brainwashed and programmed and somebody who is so excited by something they've just learned they can't stop talking about it? Personally, when I am excited about something I have experienced I speak in terms of I and we but in the case in point it was all Maharishi,,,Maharishi,,,Maharishi. Indicating an almost absence of self awareness and identity. Only Maharishi existed,,,only his word, his thoughts, his ideals,,,truely frightening that one person, a simple man who bleeds like the rest of us,,,eats like the rest of us and excretes bodily wastes like the rest of us could be looked upon as different. But then I have walked through the halls of his Center of Enlightenment in Huntsville. Dingy, old, smells of mould, paint pealing off the walls. Kitchen appliances that look like fire hazards. It seemed totally void of life joy or happiness. I felt like I was walking through a morgue. No plants, no flowers only picture after endless picture of Maharishi himself on the walls. Just for the record, the German study is a complete crock. If you're interested to know more, do a search on Google Groups in the group alt.meditation.transcendental for German study. Ah yes an impartial government study is a crock. Well I don't think the German courts share you view. Can you tell me who set up and who sponsored the site you have recommended? For that matter, practically everything you'll find on Trancenet is dubious in one way or the other. Not a reliable source of information on TM. I have been to far more sites then Trancenet but thank you for your advice. Most people just learn TM and go away and practice it on their own without going any further or becoming involved in the TM organization. It's also entirely possible to learn the TM-Sidhis and/or become involved with the TM organization without getting into a cultlike relationship with it. Some people seem to need to establish a cultlike relationship with the TMO, and unfortunately the TMO doesn't do anything to discourage that. Absolutely and I couldn't agree more with these statements. In fact I meditate myself,,,regularly. ...and you are, IMHO, an actual practioner of the TM Program whereas your Ex is not. Because she has embraced a cult and done it in the way she has, she isn't really practising the TM Program...she may be doing the TM Technique twice a day, but NOT the TM Program which is all about choosing activity according to your own traditions, your own common sense and NOT adopting some TM religion or TM philosophy or TM Way of Life. YOU practise TM; SHE doesn't. But its not just the cult like mentality referring to the TMO it is also the worshipping of a man, that man being Maharishi. He's just a man who has made billions selling a customised version of Hinduism. And there's nothing wrong with that. Just be honest and call it what it is. When I first started dating me Freudian slip?? More like a reality check,,,in the final analysis I was dating myself. Her mind was no where to be found, then again neither was her heart. I kind of doubt she believed she was actually levitating beyond the first stage (hopping) of Yogic Flying. Wanna bet!!! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield,,,Peter
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield,,,Peter on 8/12/06 9:50 AM, Bill (William)Simmons at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's when I finally had even enough and said something like,,,Oh sure Maharishi says everyone should be celibate but himreffering to a years ago comment by the beatles calling him a lecherous womaniser. Read the Sexy Sadie file in the files section of FFL. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield,,,Peter
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bill (William)Simmons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sal,,,I'm quite certain of it. I think the meditation is her own personal crutch or a happy pill. Just pop and hop and she feels better temporarily. But it doesn't address the underlying root causes/demons etc. But because Maharishi says just meditate more and all your problems will go away. She appears totally convinced that more money on more time and more meditation will bring her the peace she wants. Ironically I think the path to enlightment is the path in which we do away with all our needs. Afterall it is our percieved NEEDS that tie us down. And if a person NEEDS a Guru's guidance or meditation or anything then it is still a need and still an obstacle to enlightment. So I guess what I'm saying is until one can give up meditation and give up Maharishi or anyone else for that matter, How can one reach true enlightment. One of MMY's sayings is that sometimes you have to use a thorn to remove a thorn. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield,,,I'm sensing some defensiveness
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bill's next two first dates: Bill So what do you think about these yogic flyers for world peace I saw in the paper? Date Oh my God I am a yogic flyer, I was on that course and it filled me with bliss! Bill Waiter, check please. (sound of tires squealing all the way out of the parking lot.) Next women: Bill So what do you think about these yogic flyers for world peace I saw in the paper? Date Yogurt what? Bill Oh never mind, please tell me about where you grew up? In light of Bill's last post, the conversation would go like this: Bill: Do you think celibacy is necessary to achieve ultimate enlightenment? Date: What's celibacy? Bill: Waiter, check please. (sound of tires squealing all the way out of the parking lot...but Date is with him). --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bill (William)Simmons unclewas@ wrote: That's ok,,,I am certainly accustomed to defensiveness both passive and agressive when speaking about TM with TM'rs How can you tell the difference between someone who is totally brainwashed and programmed and somebody who is so excited by something they've just learned they can't stop talking about it? Personally, when I am excited about something I have experienced I speak in terms of I and we but in the case in point it was all Maharishi,,,Maharishi,,,Maharishi. Indicating an almost absence of self awareness and identity. Only Maharishi existed,,,only his word, his thoughts, his ideals,,,truely frightening that one person, a simple man who bleeds like the rest of us,,,eats like the rest of us and excretes bodily wastes like the rest of us could be looked upon as different. But then I have walked through the halls of his Center of Enlightenment in Huntsville. Dingy, old, smells of mould, paint pealing off the walls. Kitchen appliances that look like fire hazards. It seemed totally void of life joy or happiness. I felt like I was walking through a morgue. No plants, no flowers only picture after endless picture of Maharishi himself on the walls. Just for the record, the German study is a complete crock. If you're interested to know more, do a search on Google Groups in the group alt.meditation.transcendental for German study. Ah yes an impartial government study is a crock. Well I don't think the German courts share you view. Can you tell me who set up and who sponsored the site you have recommended? For that matter, practically everything you'll find on Trancenet is dubious in one way or the other. Not a reliable source of information on TM. I have been to far more sites then Trancenet but thank you for your advice. Most people just learn TM and go away and practice it on their own without going any further or becoming involved in the TM organization. It's also entirely possible to learn the TM-Sidhis and/or become involved with the TM organization without getting into a cultlike relationship with it. Some people seem to need to establish a cultlike relationship with the TMO, and unfortunately the TMO doesn't do anything to discourage that. Absolutely and I couldn't agree more with these statements. In fact I meditate myself,,,regularly. But its not just the cult like mentality referring to the TMO it is also the worshipping of a man, that man being Maharishi. He's just a man who has made billions selling a customised version of Hinduism. And there's nothing wrong with that. Just be honest and call it what it is. When I first started dating me Freudian slip?? More like a reality check,,,in the final analysis I was dating myself. Her mind was no where to be found, then again neither was her heart. I kind of doubt she believed she was actually levitating beyond the first stage (hopping) of Yogic Flying. Wanna bet!!! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield,,,Peter
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Very good points about needs, Bill, and how we all need to overcome them--ha, ha. I personally started TM for the relaxation benefits it claimed you'd feel, and that is still why I continue the practice. The concept of enlightenment, whatever it might mean to others, is so vague as to be meaningless IMO, and as such has never had much of a place in my world view and hence stay out of all discussions in which it comes up. ...and what's really great about this point of view of Sal's is that if the concept of enlightenment actually does exist, she will get there just as fast as the TBer who does believe in the concept (actually, she'll probably get there faster than the TBer who in most cases doesn't practise the TM Program). (Not to mention the fact that, probably because of its vagueness, I find most discussions of it kind of boring. But others obviously don't, so discuss away! :) ) Sal On Aug 12, 2006, at 10:14 AM, Bill (William)Simmons wrote: Ironically I think the path to enlightment is the path in which we do away with all our needs. Afterall it is our percieved NEEDS that tie us down. And if a person NEEDS a Guru's guidance or meditation or anything then it is still a need and still an obstacle to enlightment. So I guess what I'm saying is until one can give up meditation and give up Maharishi or anyone else for that matter, How can one reach true enlightment. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield on 8/12/06 9:08 AM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't *think* you're claiming that people who believe MMY has a handle on Absolute Truth as you define it are convinced they're hovering in the air when they're only hopping--are you? No, but I think many are convinced, or at least try to convince others, that their rising into the air is being caused by something more than just muscular contractions. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield
Shemp: So, yeah, I agree with many of your complaints about the TMO and MMY but in the interests of balance and fairness, you willingly went into that lifestyle that was the opposite of the TM Program. You can't now turn around and claim shock and awe for all the horrible things that the Movement turned out to be. Me: I don't think MMY's instructions to his teachers and fulltime people can be characterized as the opposite of the TM program just because it is initially presented in another manor meant to be effective marketing to the general public. The first presentation of TM is not the only official way it is presented depending on what level of the organization you are on. For example, I was tested on TTC on my feelings as I sang the puja. Quizzed intensely about what feelings I had as I sang certain words in Sanskrit. This is obviously a long way from the innocent practice of TM as presented in the intro lecture, but it was every bit as legitimate a part of MMY's program. As you got closer and closer to MMY's inner circle the beliefs were presented as being purer without the need to interface with a skeptical public with marketing spin. The inner circle around MMY ,with his absolute unquestioned authority, was set up exactly as he wished. I think you are making an artificial distinction between MMY and TMO which he micromanages into what he desires, including the beliefs of his closest members. - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ wrote: on 8/12/06 6:36 AM, Bill (William)Simmons at unclewas@ wrote: When I first started dating me she was absolutely convinced she levitated meanwhile I'm down stairs listening to the floor upstairs squeak like hell as she bounced up and down on the bed. One things for certain,,,she's got great thigh muscle development. I used that phase often during my TM career. It¹s based on the assumption that Maharishi has a handle on Absolute Truth. The materials in http://tinyurl.com/bt7sp should cause even the most hard core TB to question that assumption. It should if you were a cult member. Rick, you were involved with the TMO and MMY way, way outside the orbit of being a mere practitioner of the TM Program. You embraced something that had a guru, an organisation that had a belief system and an entirely separate and different way of life than an ordinary American. You weren't forced into it and you weren't required to partake of it. In fact, you were told in the first 5 minutes of the Introductory Lecture -- your first official exposure to the TMO -- that it wasn't a philosophy or a religion yet you went right ahead and partook of that by becoming a TM teacher and living amongst the celibates and inner circle of MMY for many, many years. So, yeah, I agree with many of your complaints about the TMO and MMY but in the interests of balance and fairness, you willingly went into that lifestyle that was the opposite of the TM Program. You can't now turn around and claim shock and awe for all the horrible things that the Movement turned out to be. For, to use your words above, the most hardcore TBer to now question his assumptions by looking at the materials you cite, is a bit ingenious. A TBer would have to be a complete idiot to now feel shock at all these revelations when from Day One of anyone's involvement in the TMO or TMO Inner Circle it was obvious that it was off the program. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield,,,Authfriend
Bill: consider hitting the reply button when you're responding to a particular point. Unless you're starting a new topic, we won't know what exactly you're responding to unless you do that because your correspondent's comments won't appear. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bill (William)Simmons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You make some valid points. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield,,,Peter
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bill (William)Simmons unclewas@ wrote: Sal,,,I'm quite certain of it. I think the meditation is her own personal crutch or a happy pill. Just pop and hop and she feels better temporarily. But it doesn't address the underlying root causes/demons etc. But because Maharishi says just meditate more and all your problems will go away. She appears totally convinced that more money on more time and more meditation will bring her the peace she wants. Ironically I think the path to enlightment is the path in which we do away with all our needs. Afterall it is our percieved NEEDS that tie us down. And if a person NEEDS a Guru's guidance or meditation or anything then it is still a need and still an obstacle to enlightment. So I guess what I'm saying is until one can give up meditation and give up Maharishi or anyone else for that matter, How can one reach true enlightment. One of MMY's sayings is that sometimes you have to use a thorn to remove a thorn. I have the sneaking suspicion, Judy, that coming up with a Maharishi Says comment in your discussion with Bill isn't going to win friends and influence people... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield,,,I'm sensing some defensiveness
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, Judy, no belief in its efficacy was needed, not when I started anyway. The motivation would come once the relaxation benefits came, so the reasoning went. That's what I just said! What are you saying no to? Remember the *context*. I had asked Bill whether he ever defended something he believed in when it was being criticized (he had called that being defensive in the case of TMers; my point is that defending something isn't necessarily the same as being defensive). Your saying one isn't supposed to have to believe in anything for TM to work was a non sequitur in this context. I should probably just have pointed that out and left it at that. Once you have acquired the *motivation* to practice TM because you've seen the benefits, at that point you can be said to believe it works without being inconsistent with the initial teaching. This woman had been practicing TM for 25 years, so presumably she had perceived benefits. One thing has nothing to do with the other, Sal. And yes, I did say you needed to do it 2X a day in my paragraph below. Sal On Aug 12, 2006, at 10:31 AM, authfriend wrote: You didn't even need to believe TM worked--all you had to do was practice it, 2X/day, believing whatever you wanted about that or anything else. Well, you'd have to believe it was doing you some good or you'd have no motivation to continue. And you would have to *practice* regularly, or the whole issue would obviously be moot. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But I believe that is the underlying assumption of those who use the phrase ³Maharishi says.² That phrase carries a lot more weight than ³I say² or ³George Bush (etc.) says.² The assumption is that because Maharishi is enlightened, he knows the truth about anything he puts his attention on, whether politics, economics, agriculture, etc. It¹s like ³the Pope says² for a devout Catholic. He is God¹s representative, so it¹s almost like saying ³God says.² That's right Rich ! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Shemp: So, yeah, I agree with many of your complaints about the TMO and MMY but in the interests of balance and fairness, you willingly went into that lifestyle that was the opposite of the TM Program. You can't now turn around and claim shock and awe for all the horrible things that the Movement turned out to be. Me: I don't think MMY's instructions to his teachers and fulltime people can be characterized as the opposite of the TM program just because it is initially presented in another manor meant to be effective marketing to the general public. The first presentation of TM is not the only official way it is presented depending on what level of the organization you are on. For example, I was tested on TTC on my feelings as I sang the puja. Quizzed intensely about what feelings I had as I sang certain words in Sanskrit. This is obviously a long way from the innocent practice of TM as presented in the intro lecture, but it was every bit as legitimate a part of MMY's program. As you got closer and closer to MMY's inner circle the beliefs were presented as being purer without the need to interface with a skeptical public with marketing spin. The inner circle around MMY ,with his absolute unquestioned authority, was set up exactly as he wished. I think you are making an artificial distinction between MMY and TMO which he micromanages into what he desires, including the beliefs of his closest members. ...and that's probably the #1 reason why his organisation is such a failure. That's why I subscribe to Bob Brigante's prescription for many of the ills of the TMO: outside professionals should be hired to do things such as marketing. I think it should be extended to all parts of his operations. - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ wrote: on 8/12/06 6:36 AM, Bill (William)Simmons at unclewas@ wrote: When I first started dating me she was absolutely convinced she levitated meanwhile I'm down stairs listening to the floor upstairs squeak like hell as she bounced up and down on the bed. One things for certain,,,she's got great thigh muscle development. I used that phase often during my TM career. It¹s based on the assumption that Maharishi has a handle on Absolute Truth. The materials in http://tinyurl.com/bt7sp should cause even the most hard core TB to question that assumption. It should if you were a cult member. Rick, you were involved with the TMO and MMY way, way outside the orbit of being a mere practitioner of the TM Program. You embraced something that had a guru, an organisation that had a belief system and an entirely separate and different way of life than an ordinary American. You weren't forced into it and you weren't required to partake of it. In fact, you were told in the first 5 minutes of the Introductory Lecture -- your first official exposure to the TMO -- that it wasn't a philosophy or a religion yet you went right ahead and partook of that by becoming a TM teacher and living amongst the celibates and inner circle of MMY for many, many years. So, yeah, I agree with many of your complaints about the TMO and MMY but in the interests of balance and fairness, you willingly went into that lifestyle that was the opposite of the TM Program. You can't now turn around and claim shock and awe for all the horrible things that the Movement turned out to be. For, to use your words above, the most hardcore TBer to now question his assumptions by looking at the materials you cite, is a bit ingenious. A TBer would have to be a complete idiot to now feel shock at all these revelations when from Day One of anyone's involvement in the TMO or TMO Inner Circle it was obvious that it was off the program. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 8/12/06 9:08 AM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't *think* you're claiming that people who believe MMY has a handle on Absolute Truth as you define it are convinced they're hovering in the air when they're only hopping--are you? No, but I think many are convinced, or at least try to convince others, that their ³rising into the air² is being caused by something more than just muscular contractions. What causes the contractions? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield,,,Peter
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bill (William)Simmons unclewas@ wrote: snip So I guess what I'm saying is until one can give up meditation and give up Maharishi or anyone else for that matter, How can one reach true enlightment. One of MMY's sayings is that sometimes you have to use a thorn to remove a thorn. I have the sneaking suspicion, Judy, that coming up with a Maharishi Says comment in your discussion with Bill isn't going to win friends and influence people... Did I say What MMY says is true? Did you even understand the point I was making? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield,,,I'm sensing some defensiveness
a simple man who bleeds like the rest of us,,,eats like the rest of us and excretes bodily wastes like the rest of us Do you know anything about this ? Or is it simply the words spilled over by your silly ignorance ? Have you lived in the company of a saint, or is your life dominated by foolish company, foolish thoughts and low level of intelligence ? It seems so. When building one of Maharishis suites, we pointed to where the toilet was to be built. Maharishi said: I have no need. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield,,,I'm sensing some defensiveness
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: a simple man who bleeds like the rest of us,,,eats like the rest of us and excretes bodily wastes like the rest of us Do you know anything about this ? Or is it simply the words spilled over by your silly ignorance ? Have you lived in the company of a saint, or is your life dominated by foolish company, foolish thoughts and low level of intelligence ? It seems so. When building one of Maharishis suites, we pointed to where the toilet was to be built. Maharishi said: I have no need. Does he prefer squatting over a bucket, perhaps? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield on 8/12/06 11:14 AM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 8/12/06 9:08 AM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't *think* you're claiming that people who believe MMY has a handle on Absolute Truth as you define it are convinced they're hovering in the air when they're only hopping--are you? No, but I think many are convinced, or at least try to convince others, that their rising into the air is being caused by something more than just muscular contractions. What causes the contractions? Could be kundalini. Could be the same sort of intention and resultant neural firings that cause me to raise my arm to scratch my nose. But no levitation is taking place. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield,,,Authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bill: consider hitting the reply button when you're responding to a particular point. Unless you're starting a new topic, we won't know what exactly you're responding to unless you do that because your correspondent's comments won't appear. #109235 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bill (William)Simmons unclewas@ wrote: You make some valid points. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield,,,Peter
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bill (William)Simmons unclewas@ wrote: snip So I guess what I'm saying is until one can give up meditation and give up Maharishi or anyone else for that matter, How can one reach true enlightment. One of MMY's sayings is that sometimes you have to use a thorn to remove a thorn. I have the sneaking suspicion, Judy, that coming up with a Maharishi Says comment in your discussion with Bill isn't going to win friends and influence people... Did I say What MMY says is true? Did you even understand the point I was making? What I said was partically tongue-in-cheek. Relax. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield,,,I'm sensing some defensiveness
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: a simple man who bleeds like the rest of us,,,eats like the rest of us and excretes bodily wastes like the rest of us Do you know anything about this ? Or is it simply the words spilled over by your silly ignorance ? Have you lived in the company of a saint, or is your life dominated by foolish company, foolish thoughts and low level of intelligence ? It seems so. When building one of Maharishis suites, we pointed to where the toilet was to be built. Maharishi said: I have no need. Does anyone have the number of a good Deprogrammer? Nablus needs one...quick! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield,,,I'm sensing some defensiveness
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip ...and you are, IMHO, an actual practioner of the TM Program He never said he practiced TM, Shemp. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 8/12/06 11:14 AM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife% 40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer groups@ wrote: on 8/12/06 9:08 AM, authfriend at jstein@ wrote: I don't *think* you're claiming that people who believe MMY has a handle on Absolute Truth as you define it are convinced they're hovering in the air when they're only hopping--are you? No, but I think many are convinced, or at least try to convince others, that their ³rising into the air² is being caused by something more than just muscular contractions. What causes the contractions? Could be kundalini. So it *could* be something more than just muscular contractions. Could be the same sort of intention and resultant neural firings that cause me to raise my arm to scratch my nose. But no levitation is taking place. duh Yes, I think we all agree on that. The *issue* was whether Bill's GF knew no levitation was taking place, and whether that had anything to do with believing MMY has a handle on what you call Absolute Truth. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ wrote: on 8/12/06 11:14 AM, authfriend at jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife% 40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer groups@ wrote: on 8/12/06 9:08 AM, authfriend at jstein@ wrote: I don't *think* you're claiming that people who believe MMY has a handle on Absolute Truth as you define it are convinced they're hovering in the air when they're only hopping--are you? No, but I think many are convinced, or at least try to convince others, that their ³rising into the air² is being caused by something more than just muscular contractions. What causes the contractions? Could be kundalini. So it *could* be something more than just muscular contractions. Could be the same sort of intention and resultant neural firings that cause me to raise my arm to scratch my nose. But no levitation is taking place. duh Yes, I think we all agree on that. The *issue* was whether Bill's GF knew no levitation was taking place, and whether that had anything to do with believing MMY has a handle on what you call Absolute Truth. I just had a thought. Perhaps the same thing is responsible for both the levitation that flyers experience and the fact that MMY has no need of a toilet. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield,,,I'm sensing some defensiveness
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: snip ...and you are, IMHO, an actual practioner of the TM Program He never said he practiced TM, Shemp. He said he meditated regularly. And within the context of the discussion that was going on when he said it, I assumed he meant the TM Program. If it isn't TM that he practises, I hope he'll let us know and then I'll stand corrected. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield,,,I'm sensing some defensiveness
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield,,,I'm sensing some defensiveness on 8/12/06 11:22 AM, nablus108 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: a simple man who bleeds like the rest of us,,,eats like the rest of us and excretes bodily wastes like the rest of us Do you know anything about this ? Or is it simply the words spilled over by your silly ignorance ? Have you lived in the company of a saint, or is your life dominated by foolish company, foolish thoughts and low level of intelligence ? It seems so. When building one of Maharishis suites, we pointed to where the toilet was to be built. Maharishi said: I have no need. He may have said that, because he sometimes does try to give the impression that he is above physical needs, but all his suites over the years have had toilets. He eats food and it comes out the other end, just like the rest of us. Ive heard him fart, pee, and while traveling, he had to make bathroom stops, just like the rest of us. His girlfriends said he ejaculates. Hes had operations on his eyes, prostate, heart and other health problems. Hes been banged up in car and helicopter accidents, nearly electrocuted by a faulty tape recorder, etc. None of these things are to his detriment. I mention them just to divest Nablus of the fantasy that MMY is not a human being. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield on 8/12/06 11:39 AM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 8/12/06 11:14 AM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife% 40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer groups@ wrote: on 8/12/06 9:08 AM, authfriend at jstein@ wrote: I don't *think* you're claiming that people who believe MMY has a handle on Absolute Truth as you define it are convinced they're hovering in the air when they're only hopping--are you? No, but I think many are convinced, or at least try to convince others, that their rising into the air is being caused by something more than just muscular contractions. What causes the contractions? Could be kundalini. So it *could* be something more than just muscular contractions. No. kundalini triggers muscular contractions. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield,,,I'm sensing some defensiveness
To clarify, no I am not a TM'r, though God knows I was pressured to become one, to the point where she broke it off once simply because I wasn't willingly to join. No I prefer a park setting, sitting at the base of a tree leaning against it with my spine.(Crosslegged). Sometimes I'll repeat the words One with All,,,other times I'll just focus on my breath and take it all in. No secret mantra, no set rituals, I am a free forming kind of person who just likes to go with the flow. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: snip ...and you are, IMHO, an actual practioner of the TM Program He never said he practiced TM, Shemp. He said he meditated regularly. And within the context of the discussion that was going on when he said it, I assumed he meant the TM Program. If it isn't TM that he practises, I hope he'll let us know and then I'll stand corrected. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 8/12/06 10:14 AM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, yeah, I agree with many of your complaints about the TMO and MMY but in the interests of balance and fairness, you willingly went into that lifestyle that was the opposite of the TM Program. You can't now turn around and claim shock and awe for all the horrible things that the Movement turned out to be. Have I done that? I don¹t think so. No, for the most part you don't. I find you, like Fox News, fair and balanced almost all of the time But there is, sometimes, some bitterness that does come across. Hey, how many years did you spend fully devoted to MMY and the TMO...10? 20? That's a major chunk of your life... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield,,,I'm sensing some defensiveness
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 8/12/06 11:22 AM, nablus108 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: a simple man who bleeds like the rest of us,,,eats like the rest of us and excretes bodily wastes like the rest of us Do you know anything about this ? Or is it simply the words spilled over by your silly ignorance ? Have you lived in the company of a saint, or is your life dominated by foolish company, foolish thoughts and low level of intelligence ? It seems so. When building one of Maharishis suites, we pointed to where the toilet was to be built. Maharishi said: I have no need. He may have said that, because he sometimes does try to give the impression that he is above physical needs, but all his suites over the years have had toilets. He eats food and it comes out the other end, just like the rest of us. I¹ve heard him fart, pee, and while traveling, he had to make bathroom stops, just like the rest of us. His girlfriends said he ejaculates. This is interesting. Perhaps I didn't read the entire Sexy Sadie file (it does tend to go on and on), but I particularly looked out for this little tidbit of information and don't remember seeing it. Why was I looking for this? Because in the Muktananda sex-abuse revelations, it was specifically pointed out that he not only didn't ejaculate but that he didn't even get an erection, despite the penis being put into the vagina. So I kinda thought that maybe that was similar to what was going on with the allegations with MMY. You wrote that his girlfriends -- plural -- reported that he ejaculated. So there are at least TWO reports of this? Another point: anything short of both ejaculating and showing one's privates can often be construed as being ambiguous or, at the least, a he-said-she-said situation. How many hard no-ambiguiity-to-it instances are there in the Sexy Sadie files? Again, I didn't read it as thoroughly as I should have perhaps but there is, I think you'll admit, a hell of alot of innuendo and not alot of cold, hard no-ambiguity declarations of fact such as describe above. Are they there and, if so, what exactly is said? He¹s had operations on his eyes, prostate, heart and other health problems. He¹s been banged up in car and helicopter accidents, nearly electrocuted by a faulty tape recorder, etc. None of these things are to his detriment. I mention them just to divest Nablus of the fantasy that MMY is not a human being. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield,,,I'm sensing some defensiveness
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bill (William)Simmons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To clarify, no I am not a TM'r, Judy, I stand corrected. though God knows I was pressured to become one, to the point where she broke it off once simply because I wasn't willingly to join. No I prefer a park setting, sitting at the base of a tree leaning against it with my spine. If you faced the other way, you could be accused of being a tree- hugger. (Crosslegged). Sometimes I'll repeat the words One with All,,,other times I'll just focus on my breath and take it all in. No secret mantra, no set rituals, I am a free forming kind of person who just likes to go with the flow. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: snip ...and you are, IMHO, an actual practioner of the TM Program He never said he practiced TM, Shemp. He said he meditated regularly. And within the context of the discussion that was going on when he said it, I assumed he meant the TM Program. If it isn't TM that he practises, I hope he'll let us know and then I'll stand corrected. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield on 8/12/06 11:59 AM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 8/12/06 10:14 AM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, yeah, I agree with many of your complaints about the TMO and MMY but in the interests of balance and fairness, you willingly went into that lifestyle that was the opposite of the TM Program. You can't now turn around and claim shock and awe for all the horrible things that the Movement turned out to be. Have I done that? I dont think so. No, for the most part you don't. I find you, like Fox News, fair and balanced almost all of the time Um, thanks for the compliment. Shall I return it by saying you remind me of Air America? But there is, sometimes, some bitterness that does come across. Its there, but periodic and not predominant. Hey, how many years did you spend fully devoted to MMY and the TMO...10? 20? 25 as a full-time employee. That's a major chunk of your life... Yeah, but believe it or not, I really dont regret it. I could easily say I should have left in this year or that, but I tend not to lament the past. I believe that with regard to the past, one should feel that things happened the way they were supposed to happen. If you think otherwise, youre fighting with reality. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield,,,I'm sensing some defensiveness
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield,,,I'm sensing some defensiveness on 8/12/06 11:57 AM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You wrote that his girlfriends -- plural -- reported that he ejaculated. So there are at least TWO reports of this? Another point: anything short of both ejaculating and showing one's privates can often be construed as being ambiguous or, at the least, a he-said-she-said situation. How many hard no-ambiguiity-to-it instances are there in the Sexy Sadie files? Again, I didn't read it as thoroughly as I should have perhaps but there is, I think you'll admit, a hell of alot of innuendo and not alot of cold, hard no-ambiguity declarations of fact such as describe above. Are they there and, if so, what exactly is said? Im not going to write a thorough review for you, but there were a couple of references to ejaculation. Perhaps one I heard is not in SS. Also, none of the accounts indicate a flaccid, Muktananda-style performance. Ambiguity is in the eye of the beholder. Some would argue that the entire file is ambiguous. I guess it depends on who youve talked to and what you want to believe. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 8/12/06 11:59 AM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife% 40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer groups@ wrote: on 8/12/06 10:14 AM, shempmcgurk at shempmcgurk@ wrote: So, yeah, I agree with many of your complaints about the TMO and MMY but in the interests of balance and fairness, you willingly went into that lifestyle that was the opposite of the TM Program. You can't now turn around and claim shock and awe for all the horrible things that the Movement turned out to be. Have I done that? I don¹t think so. No, for the most part you don't. I find you, like Fox News, fair and balanced almost all of the time Um, thanks for the compliment. Shall I return it by saying you remind me of Air America? Did anyone hear that Janeane Garofalo spent the last weeks of her sojourn as an Air America host touting Scientology? But there is, sometimes, some bitterness that does come across. It¹s there, but periodic and not predominant. Hey, how many years did you spend fully devoted to MMY and the TMO...10? 20? 25 as a full-time employee. That's a major chunk of your life... Yeah, but believe it or not, I really don¹t regret it. I could easily say I should have left in this year or that, but I tend not to lament the past. I believe that with regard to the past, one should feel that things happened the way they were supposed to happen. If you think otherwise, you¹re fighting with reality. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 8/12/06 6:36 AM, Bill (William)Simmons at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When I first started dating me she was absolutely convinced she levitated meanwhile I'm down stairs listening to the floor upstairs squeak like hell as she bounced up and down on the bed. One things for certain,,,she's got great thigh muscle development. I used that phase often during my TM career. It¹s based on the assumption that Maharishi has a handle on Absolute Truth. The materials in http://tinyurl.com/bt7sp should cause even the most hard core TB to question that assumption. LOL. You have the silliest and most superficial concept of what Absolute Truth must mean. I used to have such juvenile expectations and beliefs also but outgrew them. Why didn't you? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield,, Cardemaister
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bill (William)Simmons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Funny you should say that,,,(that it might be her supressed thoughts too. Because there is this part of me that thinks the very same. I thought if I through as much unconditional love her way as humanly possible I could reach her and I thought I was. She would say things like ,,,This is the first time in my life that I have been truly happy when we had done something together. Or we would have a perfect weekend together,,,then BAM out of the blue it would be Maharishi this and Maharishi that. It was as if a inner conflict was playing tug of war with her. I know she had a horrible childhood and turmoil in her early adult life led to searching for acceptence and I think she thought she found it in this group. So if it wren't TM, it would be something else, I suspect. BTW, TM can *appear* to be addicting, but the dynamics don't quite fit in my experience. If you distract her sufficiently, she may well skip a meditation or at least delay it until after the movie or dinner date, but feel physically lousy --isn't that the case? If so, that's not an addiction in the classic sense. Her body is simply used to having a certain state at a certain time. OTOH, if she insists on meditating for longer and longer periods of time, even though it is disrupting her life, then that's a classic addiction or at least compulsion scenario. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bill (William)Simmons unclewas@ wrote: Thank you Sal. There seems to be an addiction to the flying thing. She told me many times things like. I wouldn't be alive without it. I can't get through the day without it. It is the most important thing in my life. I don't want to work I just want to meditate. Meditation is the answer to everything. She admits to being addicted to it and I have witnessed the increased stress levels and nervousness if she doesn't have her daily fix. Irratibility, nervousness, short tempered. Almost like a drug addict going through withdrawls. What was she like before she learned TM? Hell I dpicked her up from Huntsville Ontario once, at Maharishi site up here in Canada and the whole three hour car ride home it seemed like she was spaced out and everything was ,,,Maharishi says,,,Maharishi says,,,Maharishi says,,,as if totally brain washed and programmed. How can you tell the difference between someone who is totally brainwashed and programmed and somebody who is so excited by something they've just learned they can't stop talking about it? I've been reading a lot of internet sites of former TM teachers, governors etc and a couple sites including one posting the results of a German Youth Ministry Study on the affects of long term hard core TM brand meditation and it doesn't sound like the simple relaxation technique this Maharishi guy sells. Just for the record, the German study is a complete crock. If you're interested to know more, do a search on Google Groups in the group alt.meditation.transcendental for German study. For that matter, practically everything you'll find on Trancenet is dubious in one way or the other. Not a reliable source of information on TM. I'm reminded of the drug pusher who offers a kid his first Toke',,,Hey its good for you, it'll chill you out,,,and then slowly he sucks you into harder core drugs like the yogic flying er levitating,,,er hopping. Most people just learn TM and go away and practice it on their own without going any further or becoming involved in the TM organization. It's also entirely possible to learn the TM-Sidhis and/or become involved with the TM organization without getting into a cultlike relationship with it. Some people seem to need to establish a cultlike relationship with the TMO, and unfortunately the TMO doesn't do anything to discourage that. When I first started dating me Freudian slip?? she was absolutely convinced she levitated meanwhile I'm down stairs listening to the floor upstairs squeak like hell as she bounced up and down on the bed. One things for certain,,,she's got great thigh muscle development. I kind of doubt she believed she was actually levitating beyond the first stage (hopping) of Yogic Flying. It could explain a lot of things, however, if she does. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How you guys could maintain a relationship is beyond me. She's a hardcore Ru' and your a non-meditator (very low cosmic status). How long did you guys go out together? It's a stupid distinction anyway. If she's such a Ru, she should be living in Fairfield with all the other Rus. Since she's not, obviously her obsession with TM/TM-SIdhis is a superficial mask for something else. (speaking from experience here). To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 8/12/06 7:51 AM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer groups@ wrote: on 8/12/06 6:36 AM, Bill (William)Simmons at unclewas@ wrote: When I first started dating me she was absolutely convinced she levitated meanwhile I'm down stairs listening to the floor upstairs squeak like hell as she bounced up and down on the bed. One things for certain,,,she's got great thigh muscle development. I used that phase often during my TM career. It¹s based on the assumption that Maharishi has a handle on Absolute Truth. Or, that he has a handle on the truth about the nature and mechanics of consciousness. Absolute Truth is often a weasel phrase in this context designed to load the argument. Another way of putting it would be that he does have a handle on Absolute Truth, but that that doesn¹t qualify him as an authority on all matters of relative truth. giggle I can tell you the secrets of the Universe, but I can't tell you how to fill out your income tax... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield,, Cardemaister
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --snip-- BTW, TM can *appear* to be addicting, but the dynamics don't quite fit in my experience. Most non-recovering addicts of any thing will say the same thing you have said above. On a lighter (?), note do you experience your participation in FFL as being an addiction? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 8/12/06 8:27 AM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How does any of this apply to a TM-Sidhis practitioner referring to hopping as levitation while being aware that hopping isn't actually levitating in the standard sense of the term? ³Maharishi sez² it¹s levitation. On the Merv Griffin show and elsewhere, he refers to hopping as being something that verifies meditators¹ command over the laws of nature. At that point, he may well have believed that. In the late 70's, a famous sports physician was brought to MERU to test Yogic Flyers and he concluded that there was no sign of anything except muscular hopping. MMY's response was that Hopping like a Frog apparently meant hopping like a frog. EVen so, the impulse to move comes during a different state of conscioiusness: Fred Travis's research clearly showed a different EEG pattern just before hpping during Yogic Flying as compared to just hopping while not doing Yogic Flying. Since MMY has always made it clear the real reason to practice the technique is for the effect on consciousness, I don't see an issue. Do you? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 8/12/06 8:34 AM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: P.S.: That's why Absolute Truth in this context was a weasel phrase. It had nothing to do with the particular issue being discussed, it was just thrown in to make True Believers sound especially ridiculous. But I believe that is the underlying assumption of those who use the phrase ³Maharishi says.² That phrase carries a lot more weight than ³I say² or ³George Bush (etc.) says.² The assumption is that because Maharishi is enlightened, he knows the truth about anything he puts his attention on, whether politics, economics, agriculture, etc. It¹s like ³the Pope says² for a devout Catholic. He is God¹s representative, so it¹s almost like saying ³God says.² People can use the phrase for whatever reason they want, of course, but it only makes sense in the context of enlightenment/meditation. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield,,,I'm sensing some defensiveness
Nab, maybe it's time to come back from your long visit to the River in Egypt... Sal --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: a simple man who bleeds like the rest of us,,,eats like the rest of us and excretes bodily wastes like the rest of us Do you know anything about this ? Or is it simply the words spilled over by your silly ignorance ? Have you lived in the company of a saint, or is your life dominated by foolish company, foolish thoughts and low level of intelligence ? It seems so. When building one of Maharishis suites, we pointed to where the toilet was to be built. Maharishi said: I have no need. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bill, I'd say you're lucky the relationship is over--chalk it up to a learning experience. Many of us felt that way at some point (not the extreme anger part, but definitely the protective of all things having to do with MMY part. She'll move on too, I predict, when she realizes the TMO no longer fits her fantasies. Doesn't mean she'll give up all things TM, just that the illusion stage will be over. So it's all the TMO's fault? She's not living at Fairfield, so obviously she isn't as hardcore as she likes to think. This is an internal problem she's projecting onto TM and the TMO. She may outgrow it and continue TM or move on, OR she may suddenly discover that TM is horrible and bad and find something new to obsess about and declare that all her time with TM was a complete waste while her NEW guru/organization is the best thing in the world, etc. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield,, Cardemaister
*Definitely!* Hi, my name is Sal, and I'm a FF Life addict... All together now...HI, SAL!! Sal On Aug 12, 2006, at 1:13 PM, scienceofabundance wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --snip-- BTW, TM can *appear* to be addicting, but the dynamics don't quite fit in my experience. Most non-recovering addicts of any thing will say the same thing you have said above. On a lighter (?), note do you experience your participation in FFL as being an addiction? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield on 8/12/06 1:00 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 8/12/06 6:36 AM, Bill (William)Simmons at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When I first started dating me she was absolutely convinced she levitated meanwhile I'm down stairs listening to the floor upstairs squeak like hell as she bounced up and down on the bed. One things for certain,,,she's got great thigh muscle development. I used that phase often during my TM career. Its based on the assumption that Maharishi has a handle on Absolute Truth. The materials in http://tinyurl.com/bt7sp should cause even the most hard core TB to question that assumption. LOL. You have the silliest and most superficial concept of what Absolute Truth must mean. I used to have such juvenile expectations and beliefs also but outgrew them. Why didn't you? Must be something in the water. Or maybe its because I meditate twice a day and you only once. Youre more grounded. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield,,,Peter
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bill, Are you sure she doesn't have some other problems--like depression or bipolarism? Sounds like there is something more going on than just defending MMY. If so, it wouldn't be all that unusual--many of us looked to TM as a cure-all, until it became obvious it wasn't. And those quick flashes of anger, seemingly out of nowhere, are something I have learned to avoid. I find them scary. I've got at least two problems that bring them about, and they may be related: I have ADD and AD/HD people often have flashes of anger in order to focus. It's scary for them AND for the people around them. I also have an anger management problem during allergy attacks. This may or may not be related to the AD/HD issue. Intrestingly enough, I tend to have MORE anger-flashes when I'm regular in my program. I don't know if this is a sign of unsressing or simply a more efficient way to focus, however. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield,,,I'm sensing some defensiveness
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But that's just it--you weren't supposed to have to believe in anything when you started TM (as it wasn't a religion--remember?). You didn't even need to believe TM worked--all you had to do was practice it, 2X/day, believing whatever you wanted about that or anything else. Sure, but people fixate on all sorts of things. Why does anyone bother to read this forum, for example? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield,, Cardemaister
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bill (William)Simmons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Funny you should say that,,,(that it might be her supressed thoughts too. Well, there's in my native language a proverb that goes like: Se koira älähtää, johon kalikka kalahtaa! (LOL!) I believe many languages have something similar, but I can't recall how that same idea is expressed in English. Anyways, a clumsy translation of the proverb above might be something like: That dog whines who gets hit by the stick. (In a literal translation like that the original rhythm and other such stuff gets lost.) Because there is this part of me that thinks the very same. I thought if I through as much unconditional love her way as humanly possible I could reach her and I thought I was. She would say things like ,,,This is the first time in my life that I have been truly happy when we had done something together. Or we would have a perfect weekend together,,,then BAM out of the blue it would be Maharishi this and Maharishi that. It was as if a inner conflict was playing tug of war with her. I know she had a horrible childhood and turmoil in her early adult life led to searching for acceptence and I think she thought she found it in this group. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bill (William)Simmons unclewas@ wrote: Thank you Sal. There seems to be an addiction to the flying thing. She told me many times things like. I wouldn't be alive without it. I can't get through the day without it. It is the most important thing in my life. I don't want to work I just want to meditate. Meditation is the answer to everything. She admits to being addicted to it and I have witnessed the increased stress levels and nervousness if she doesn't have her daily fix. Irratibility, nervousness, short tempered. Almost like a drug addict going through withdrawls. Hell I dpicked her up from Huntsville Ontario once, at Maharishi site up here in Canada and the whole three hour car ride home it seemed like she was spaced out and everything was ,,,Maharishi says,,,Maharishi says,,,Maharishi says,,,as if totally brain washed and programmed. I've been reading a lot of internet sites of former TM teachers, governors etc and a couple sites including one posting the results of a German Youth Ministry Study on the affects of long term hard core TM brand meditation and it doesn't sound like the simple relaxation technique this Maharishi guy sells. I'm reminded of the drug pusher who offers a kid his first Toke',,,Hey its good for you, it'll chill you out,,,and then slowly he sucks you into harder core drugs like the yogic flying er levitating,,,er hopping. When I first started dating me she was absolutely convinced she levitated meanwhile I'm down stairs listening to the floor upstairs squeak like hell as she bounced up and down on the bed. One things for certain,,,she's got great thigh muscle development. Boy, she must have been very beautiful or had a very charming personality for you to stand her for so long. How could you put up with all of that? For the record, very few TMers that I know were like that. A lot moved to fairfield. A lot switched gurus along the way, I think. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield,, Cardemaister
Not yet but time will tell!!! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, scienceofabundance [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --snip-- BTW, TM can *appear* to be addicting, but the dynamics don't quite fit in my experience. Most non-recovering addicts of any thing will say the same thing you have said above. On a lighter (?), note do you experience your participation in FFL as being an addiction? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/