[FairfieldLife] Re: Intelligent Design - - (What would happen if Hagelin...?)

2005-10-02 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[FairfieldLife] Re: Intelligent Design - - (What would happen if Hagelin...?)

2005-10-02 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [...]

[FairfieldLife] Re: Intelligent Design - - (What would happen if Hagelin...?)

2005-10-02 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip The truth is every bit as much out there as it is in here. Is it? How do you know? (channelling Sparaig) :-) I watch public access, of

[FairfieldLife] Re: Intelligent Design - - (What would happen if Hagelin...?)

2005-10-02 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip This goes to the Shrodinger cat thought experiment. ie. Is the cat in the box dead or alive if no-one else sees it. It is

[FairfieldLife] Re: Intelligent Design - - (What would happen if Hagelin...?)

2005-10-02 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[FairfieldLife] Re: Intelligent Design - - (What would happen if Hagelin...?)

2005-10-02 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[FairfieldLife] Re: Intelligent Design - - (What would happen if Hagelin...?)

2005-10-02 Thread Rory Goff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip The truth is every bit as much out there as it is in here. Is

[FairfieldLife] Re: Intelligent Design - - (What would happen if Hagelin...?)

2005-10-02 Thread bbrigante
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/28/opinion/28dennett.html Is intelligent design a legitimate school of scientific thought? Is there something to it, or have these people been taken in by one of the most ingenious hoaxes in the history of science? Wouldn't such a hoax be impossible? No. Here's

[FairfieldLife] Re: Intelligent Design - - (What would happen if Hagelin...?)

2005-10-01 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I don't have any particular affection for Schroedinger's cat. I'd be delighted if someone could show it was a fallacy. I'd be thrilled

[FairfieldLife] Re: Intelligent Design - - (What would happen if Hagelin...?)

2005-10-01 Thread off_world_beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip By what logic can you say the sun is not a

[FairfieldLife] Re: Intelligent Design - - (What would happen if Hagelin...?)

2005-10-01 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend

[FairfieldLife] Re: Intelligent Design - - (What would happen if Hagelin...?)

2005-10-01 Thread Rory Goff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I don't have any particular affection for Schroedinger's

[FairfieldLife] Re: Intelligent Design - - (What would happen if Hagelin...?)

2005-10-01 Thread Rory Goff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I didn't get any sense of a *personal* consciousness, i.e., like that of a person. Action for the sun is basically nuclear processes

[FairfieldLife] Re: Intelligent Design - - (What would happen if Hagelin...?)

2005-10-01 Thread Rory Goff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I don't have any particular affection for Schroedinger's

[FairfieldLife] Re: Intelligent Design - - (What would happen if Hagelin...?)

2005-09-30 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip This goes to the Shrodinger cat thought

[FairfieldLife] Re: Intelligent Design - - (What would happen if Hagelin...?)

2005-09-30 Thread off_world_beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings

[FairfieldLife] Re: Intelligent Design - - (What would happen if Hagelin...?)

2005-09-30 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend

[FairfieldLife] Re: Intelligent Design - - (What would happen if Hagelin...?)

2005-09-30 Thread off_world_beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings

[FairfieldLife] Re: Intelligent Design - - (What would happen if Hagelin...?)

2005-09-30 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I don't have any particular affection for Schroedinger's cat. I'd be delighted if someone could show it was a fallacy.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Intelligent Design - - (What would happen if Hagelin...?)

2005-09-30 Thread Peter
--- off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: By what logic can you say the sun is not a conscious being? What! Because it doesn't have characteristics we usually associate with consciousness, for starters. Off, with all due respect, your thinking is kinda loose at the edges!

[FairfieldLife] Re: Intelligent Design - - (What would happen if Hagelin...?)

2005-09-30 Thread off_world_beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I don't have any particular affection for

[FairfieldLife] Re: Intelligent Design - - (What would happen if Hagelin...?)

2005-09-30 Thread off_world_beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: By what logic can you say the sun is not a conscious being? What! Because it doesn't have characteristics we usually associate with consciousness, for starters.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Intelligent Design - - (What would happen if Hagelin...?)

2005-09-30 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip By what logic can you say the sun is not a conscious being? Where did I say it wasn't?? I said--see above--that I'd had the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Intelligent Design - - (What would happen if Hagelin...?)

2005-09-30 Thread Rory Goff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I don't have any particular affection for Schroedinger's cat. I'd be delighted if someone could show it was a fallacy. I'd be thrilled if celestial bodies could be shown to have consciousness. I had a revelatory

[FairfieldLife] Re: Intelligent Design - - (What would happen if Hagelin...?)

2005-09-30 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I don't have any particular affection for Schroedinger's cat. I'd be delighted if someone could show it was a fallacy. I'd be thrilled

[FairfieldLife] Re: Intelligent Design - - (What would happen if Hagelin...?)

2005-09-30 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I didn't get any sense of a *personal* consciousness, i.e., like that of a person. Action for the sun is basically nuclear processes on a gigantic scale and the consequent release of huge amounts of energy; that's

[FairfieldLife] Re: Intelligent Design - - (What would happen if Hagelin...?)

2005-09-29 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What would happen if Hagelin seriously weighed in on the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Intelligent Design - - (What would happen if Hagelin...?)

2005-09-29 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What would happen if Hagelin seriously weighed in on the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Intelligent Design - - (What would happen if Hagelin...?)

2005-09-29 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL

[FairfieldLife] Re: Intelligent Design - - (What would happen if Hagelin...?)

2005-09-29 Thread off_world_beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings

[FairfieldLife] Re: Intelligent Design - - (What would happen if Hagelin...?)

2005-09-29 Thread off_world_beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL

[FairfieldLife] Re: Intelligent Design - - (What would happen if Hagelin...?)

2005-09-29 Thread off_world_beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL

[FairfieldLife] Re: Intelligent Design - - (What would happen if Hagelin...?)

2005-09-29 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL

[FairfieldLife] Re: Intelligent Design - - (What would happen if Hagelin...?)

2005-09-29 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The goal is inherent in the system.. 'System' means 'intelligence'. Is the operating system on your computer intelligent? (You don't

[FairfieldLife] Re: Intelligent Design - - (What would happen if Hagelin...?)

2005-09-29 Thread off_world_beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings

[FairfieldLife] Re: Intelligent Design - - (What would happen if Hagelin...?)

2005-09-29 Thread off_world_beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The goal is inherent in the system.. 'System' means

[FairfieldLife] Re: Intelligent Design - - (What would happen if Hagelin...?)

2005-09-29 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL

[FairfieldLife] Re: Intelligent Design - - (What would happen if Hagelin...?)

2005-09-29 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip The goal is inherent in the system.. 'System' means 'intelligence'. Aieee, no. It can be used that way, but it can also be used

[FairfieldLife] Re: Intelligent Design - - (What would happen if Hagelin...?)

2005-09-29 Thread akasha_108
Is the operating system on your computer intelligent? (You don't have to answer that if you're using WinXP.) Seriously, I work in AI. A system *can* be intelligent, but that doesn't mean either that it has a preprogrammed purpose or that it's sentient. Neural nets learn, and can

[FairfieldLife] Re: Intelligent Design - - (What would happen if Hagelin...?)

2005-09-29 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The word 'evolution' does NOT imply 'purpose.' The sentient beings of the universe, as far as I can tell, are all evolving. But

[FairfieldLife] Re: Intelligent Design - - (What would happen if Hagelin...?)

2005-09-29 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is the operating system on your computer intelligent? (You don't have to answer that if you're using WinXP.) Seriously, I work in AI. A system *can* be intelligent, but that doesn't mean either that it has

[FairfieldLife] Re: Intelligent Design - - (What would happen if Hagelin...?)

2005-09-29 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings

[FairfieldLife] Re: Intelligent Design - - (What would happen if Hagelin...?)

2005-09-29 Thread off_world_beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings

[FairfieldLife] Re: Intelligent Design - - (What would happen if Hagelin...?)

2005-09-29 Thread off_world_beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip The goal is inherent in the system.. 'System' means

[FairfieldLife] Re: Intelligent Design - - (What would happen if Hagelin...?)

2005-09-29 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL

[FairfieldLife] Re: Intelligent Design - - (What would happen if Hagelin...?)

2005-09-29 Thread off_world_beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The word 'evolution' does NOT imply 'purpose.' The

[FairfieldLife] Re: Intelligent Design - - (What would happen if Hagelin...?)

2005-09-29 Thread off_world_beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings

[FairfieldLife] Re: Intelligent Design - - (What would happen if Hagelin...?)

2005-09-29 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Intelligent Design - - (What would happen if Hagelin...?)

2005-09-29 Thread Vaj
On 9/29/05 5:01 PM, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In my opinion you joined to completely unrelated ideas together here: intelligence and 'God'. This is the irrational leap that all the anti-intelligent design scientists make. Intelligent universe does not imply the common

[FairfieldLife] Re: Intelligent Design - - (What would happen if Hagelin...?)

2005-09-29 Thread TurquoiseB
Great stuff. I particularly liked: They're frequently very difficult customers and if one wouldn't want bearers of such qualities as our neighbors, it would be unwise to take them as gods. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your

[FairfieldLife] Re: Intelligent Design - - (What would happen if Hagelin...?)

2005-09-29 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend

[FairfieldLife] Re: Intelligent Design - - (What would happen if Hagelin...?)

2005-09-29 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings

[FairfieldLife] Re: Intelligent Design - - (What would happen if Hagelin...?)

2005-09-29 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gods are pompous, humorless, and some, like Allah, are clearly unfit for civilized societies. Mmm, this is a nice one, Vaj. Do you endorse this assertion? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor

[FairfieldLife] Re: Intelligent Design - - (What would happen if Hagelin...?)

2005-09-29 Thread akasha_108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Great stuff. I particularly liked: They're frequently very difficult customers and if one wouldn't want bearers of such qualities as our neighbors, it would be unwise to take them as gods. And he's a Dane.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Intelligent Design - - (What would happen if Hagelin...?)

2005-09-29 Thread off_world_beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings

[FairfieldLife] Re: Intelligent Design - - (What would happen if Hagelin...?)

2005-09-29 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Great stuff. I particularly liked: They're frequently very difficult customers and if one wouldn't want bearers of such qualities as

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Intelligent Design - - (What would happen if Hagelin...?)

2005-09-29 Thread Vaj
On 9/29/05 5:28 PM, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gods are pompous, humorless, and some, like Allah, are clearly unfit for civilized societies. Mmm, this is a nice one, Vaj. Do you endorse this assertion? No

[FairfieldLife] Re: Intelligent Design - - (What would happen if Hagelin...?)

2005-09-29 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/29/05 5:28 PM, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gods are pompous, humorless, and some, like Allah, are clearly unfit for civilized societies.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Intelligent Design - - (What would happen if Hagelin...?)

2005-09-29 Thread Vaj
On 9/29/05 5:38 PM, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Great stuff. I particularly liked: They're frequently very difficult customers and

[FairfieldLife] Re: Intelligent Design - - (What would happen if Hagelin...?)

2005-09-29 Thread Jason Spock
: "off_world_beings" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 21:01:30 - Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Intelligent Design - - (What would happen if Hagelin...?) Yes you do.Order has purpose. Whatever its purpose is, is irrelevent, but it has purpose imposed upon by the nature of

[FairfieldLife] Re: Intelligent Design - - (What would happen if Hagelin...?)

2005-09-29 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/29/05 5:38 PM, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Great

[FairfieldLife] Re: Intelligent Design - - (What would happen if Hagelin...?)

2005-09-29 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/29/05 5:28 PM, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gods are pompous, humorless, and some, like Allah, are clearly unfit for civilized societies.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Intelligent Design - - (What would happen if Hagelin...?)

2005-09-29 Thread off_world_beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hari Om, If Order has purpose then, Chaos has no purpose.?? Hydrogen molecules inside the Sun are in a chaotic state

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Intelligent Design - - (What would happen if Hagelin...?)

2005-09-29 Thread Vaj
On 9/29/05 6:16 PM, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/29/05 5:38 PM, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Intelligent Design - - (What would happen if Hagelin...?)

2005-09-29 Thread Vaj
Well you might want to reread my own statements at the top of the original post and the corresponding one on a.m.t then... On 9/29/05 6:17 PM, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/29/05 5:28 PM, authfriend [EMAIL

[FairfieldLife] Re: Intelligent Design - - (What would happen if Hagelin...?)

2005-09-29 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip The goal is inherent in the system.. 'System' means

[FairfieldLife] Re: Intelligent Design - - (What would happen if Hagelin...?)

2005-09-29 Thread off_world_beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Off: Evolution exhibits order, direction. Order and direction are intelligence. I am not so sure. If you look at the US presidents, from the founding fathers to the present, it looks to me like Darwin got it

[FairfieldLife] Re: Intelligent Design - - (What would happen if Hagelin...?)

2005-09-29 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/29/05 5:28 PM, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gods are pompous,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Intelligent Design - - (What would happen if Hagelin...?)

2005-09-29 Thread off_world_beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[FairfieldLife] Re: Intelligent Design - - (What would happen if Hagelin...?)

2005-09-29 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings

[FairfieldLife] Re: Intelligent Design - - (What would happen if Hagelin...?)

2005-09-29 Thread akasha_108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Off: Evolution exhibits order, direction. Order and direction are intelligence. I am not so sure. If you look at the US

[FairfieldLife] Re: Intelligent Design - - (What would happen if Hagelin...?)

2005-09-29 Thread bbrigante
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Off: Evolution exhibits order, direction. Order and direction are intelligence. I am not so sure. If you look at the US presidents, from the founding fathers to the present, it looks to me like Darwin got it

[FairfieldLife] Re: Intelligent Design - - (What would happen if Hagelin...?)

2005-09-29 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[FairfieldLife] Re: Intelligent Design - - (What would happen if Hagelin...?)

2005-09-29 Thread off_world_beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL

[FairfieldLife] Re: Intelligent Design - - (What would happen if Hagelin...?)

2005-09-29 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL

[FairfieldLife] Re: Intelligent Design - - (What would happen if Hagelin...?)

2005-09-29 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL

[FairfieldLife] Re: Intelligent Design - - (What would happen if Hagelin...?)

2005-09-29 Thread off_world_beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL

[FairfieldLife] Re: Intelligent Design - - (What would happen if Hagelin...?)

2005-09-29 Thread Rory Goff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/29/05 5:28 PM, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gods are pompous,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Intelligent Design - - (What would happen if Hagelin...?)

2005-09-29 Thread off_world_beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/29/05 5:28 PM, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In

[FairfieldLife] Re: Intelligent Design - - (What would happen if Hagelin...?)

2005-09-29 Thread Rory Goff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Last I heard, the answers weren't so much out there, as in here WHOA ! Rory, now that is one of the coolest lines I have heard in ages ! Even Dolly Parton would look cool sayin' that in the 'hood ! Nice

[FairfieldLife] Re: Intelligent Design - - (What would happen if Hagelin...?)

2005-09-29 Thread off_world_beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Last I heard, the answers weren't so much out there, as in here WHOA ! Rory, now that is one of the coolest lines I have heard