[FairfieldLife] Re: J gets another fact wrong and S apologizes to R

2013-05-03 Thread authfriend
Share, I had things to do tonight and won't be getting
to the posts I promised you until tomorrow. Try to
contain your disappointment. In the meantime, here's
this for you:

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote:

 If you read what I wrote, Ann, I was not at all
 attributing the words to you. As I said, Robin
 used that phrase in reference to you.

Let's look at what Robin *actually* said, OK?

I am very sensitive to this 'psychological rape' charge, which
dogs me (falsely I believe) from my enlightened days (when AWB
was around--she was a prime victim). I do not believe it applies
to me now, Curtis; I certainly hope it does not.

He did not use the phrase psychological rape in
direct reference to Ann. She was just a parenthetical,
an aside to his main point. He knows she does not
consider herself to have been psychologically raped by
him 26 years ago, because she's said so here. If he
considers himself to have done psychological rape 26
years ago, he no longer does.

Bottom line, what he said above is irrelevant to
your accusation that he is a psychological rapist,
and it's disingenuous of you to try to use it as
support for that accusation. It's doubly
disingenuous for you to try to use what Ann said
as support for that accusation.

 When you
 were asked about that, you said you thought he
 was being both ironic and also acknowledging
 what you had gone through.

Robin could not have been acknowledging something
Ann has denied. So you were, in fact, misattributing
to her the notion that she had been psychologically
raped by Robin.

 Now how one can know that acknowledging refers back
 to Robin, is that it is a similar form to the word
 being which also refers back to Robin. Robin was
 being ironic and acknowledging...
 
 If it was referring back to you then it would have
 read: Ann said she thought...and acknowledged...
 
 Grammar lesson over. Class dismissed!

Share will remain behind for an extra lesson on the
difference between grammar and semantics.

There is only one type of English lesson you are
qualified to give, Share, and that's in deliberate
semantic twisting, distortion, and obfuscation.




Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: J gets another fact wrong and S apologizes to R

2013-05-02 Thread Share Long
If you read what I wrote, Ann, I was not at all attributing the words to you.  
As I said, Robin used that phrase in reference to you.  When you were asked 
about that, you said you thought he was being both ironic and also 
acknowledging what you had gone through.  

Now how one can know that acknowledging refers back to Robin, is that it is a 
similar form to the word being which also refers back to Robin.  Robin was 
being ironic and acknowledging...

If it was referring back to you then it would have read:  Ann said she 
thought...and acknowledged...

Grammar lesson over.  Class dismissed!



 From: Ann awoelfleba...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2013 5:41 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: J gets another fact wrong and S apologizes to R
 


  


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote:

 Emily, as you suggested, I googled Robin 
 Carlsen and rape.  As did later hits, the first hit contained psychological 
 rape in the 
 title line.  It was a post from JUDY.  Perhaps that says it all.      
 
 IMO you are way off target here.  One, I only continue to discuss it because 
 you all continue to badger.  Two, I have said what I meant by the term.  
 Three, do you know of a man who has gone to jail for psychological rape?!  
 Four, there were men among those on FFL and off who have validated my use of 
 that term.  
 
 Recently Robin himself used psychological rape about Ann 
 to Curtis.  When I asked about that, Ann said she thought Robin was 
 being both ironic and acknowledging what she went through at the time. 

Not acknowledging that I experienced psychological rape, dear Share. Re-read 
that section again about what I wrote. He was, in my opinion, giving a small 
'nod' of recognition that I had gone through a lot but I never described or, 
indeed, would have ever thought of or used that term to describe what I 
experienced at the end of days for me around WTS.  Be very careful how you 
attribute words to others, in this case myself.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: J gets another fact wrong and S apologizes to R

2013-05-02 Thread Ann


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote:

 If you read what I wrote, Ann, I was not at all attributing the words to 
 you.  As I said, Robin used that phrase in reference to you.  When you were 
 asked about that, you said you thought he was being both ironic and also 
 acknowledging what you had gone through.  
 
 Now how one can know that acknowledging refers back to Robin, is that it is a 
 similar form to the word being which also refers back to Robin.  Robin was 
 being ironic and acknowledging...
 
 If it was referring back to you then it would have read:  Ann said she 
 thought...and acknowledged...
 
 Grammar lesson over.  Class dismissed!

You are a funny one Share. I told you that for me this subject was basically 
over. You will never retract your statement about PR. Now why are you 
continuing to prod me from the other side of the cage? I will get into this 
with you if that is what you actually want. Do you want me to Share, because so 
far I have been very reasonable and tame on this subject after you brought it 
up again about 9 days ago. You asked me what you should do. I told you. Things, 
for me, were civil. Now that I have moved on you are back with your stick. What 
do you want? Do you want to continue to bore people here with this or can I, at 
least, carry on?
 
 
 
  From: Ann awoelflebater@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2013 5:41 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: J gets another fact wrong and S apologizes to R
  
 
 
   
 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote:
 
  Emily, as you suggested, I googled Robin 
  Carlsen and rape.  As did later hits, the first hit contained 
  psychological rape in the 
  title line.  It was a post from JUDY.  Perhaps that says it all. 
       
  
  IMO you are way off target here.  One, I only continue to discuss it 
  because you all continue to badger.  Two, I have said what I meant by 
  the term.  Three, do you know of a man who has gone to jail for 
  psychological rape?!  Four, there were men among those on FFL and off 
  who have validated my use of that term.  
  
  Recently Robin himself used psychological rape about Ann 
  to Curtis.  When I asked about that, Ann said she thought Robin was 
  being both ironic and acknowledging what she went through at the time. 
 
 Not acknowledging that I experienced psychological rape, dear Share. 
 Re-read that section again about what I wrote. He was, in my opinion, giving 
 a small 'nod' of recognition that I had gone through a lot but I never 
 described or, indeed, would have ever thought of or used that term to 
 describe what I experienced at the end of days for me around WTS.  Be very 
 careful how you attribute words to others, in this case myself.
 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: J gets another fact wrong and S apologizes to R

2013-05-01 Thread curtisdeltablues
Ignoring all the Judy blather on this topic, I will just put it this way:

Search yahoo for the combination of references to PS

Maskedzebra 24

Authfriend 81

To all Judy's enemies: enjoy your luck.  This is how she treats the person she 
sheds tears over just thinking about badly other people have treated him. 

Fortunately I caught their unnatural bond on film.   I love the part where Judy 
pets Robin's eyes.  He looks like he is really enjoying this:

http://www.wimp.com/slothcuddles/




Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: J gets another fact wrong and S apologizes to R

2013-05-01 Thread Emily Reyn
Awww, the video is adorable.  I am spending the day restoring my vibe and 
priorities to where they need to be, but I'll be back.  A good day to FFL.  




 From: curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, May 1, 2013 6:53 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: J gets another fact wrong and S apologizes to R
 


  
Ignoring all the Judy blather on this topic, I will just put it this way:

Search yahoo for the combination of references to PS

Maskedzebra 24

Authfriend 81

To all Judy's enemies: enjoy your luck.  This is how she treats the person she 
sheds tears over just thinking about badly other people have treated him. 

Fortunately I caught their unnatural bond on film.   I love the part where 
Judy pets Robin's eyes.  He looks like he is really enjoying this:

http://www.wimp.com/slothcuddles/


 



Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: J gets another fact wrong and S apologizes to R

2013-04-30 Thread Share Long
Emily when I said psychologically raped it was spontaneous AND it felt accurate 
AND I was very upset.  Later it was validated by people I trust both on FFL and 
not.  So I don't think there will be a retraction.  SIMULTANEOUSLY, I regret 
that I was not more psychologically developed at the time and didn't have 
better communication skills.  I regret all of my mistakes that such lacks 
contributed to, especially if they caused Robin distress.  

OTOH, I only take partial responsibility for the whole mess.  Robin IMO gets 
part of it.  And IMO Judy and the Jets get the rest.  


I have been wondering if one of the reasons Judy et al are so obsessed about 
what I said, is because it's too painful for them, being the Robin 
Fundamentalists that they are, to own up to their part in the whole thing.  As 
Curtis noted, using his own words, you all have very much contributed to a 
cyberspace blip becoming a blimp!  Perhaps if you all had not reacted as you 
did after my psych rape remark, perhaps the former WTS members wouldn't have 
come forward with stories and whole books!  Did you ever consider that?

Anyway, about your post just below, my guess is you're like all of us, Emily.  
Sometimes you care and sometimes you don't but deep down you always do.  So I 
wasn't bothered by what you said but thanks for the apology and explanations.   



 From: Emily Reyn emilymae.r...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 7:31 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: J gets another fact wrong and S apologizes to R
 


  
Dear Share:  Re: It comes across as real fear to me, but you know what Share, 
I am not your keeper and I really don't care.  Again, I wrote this too fast in 
my rush to step away from the network this morning and get something else 
done.  What the last phrase was supposed to say was .I am not your keeper 
and I really don't care to be.  I do care, Share, about you, and I wish the 
best for you every day.  Alright, time for me to step away from the network 
again. I'm having to write too many retractions for my own good today.  
Sincerely, Emily.  




 From: Emily Reyn emilymae.r...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 12:26 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: J gets another fact wrong and S apologizes to 
R
 


Sorry Share, my mistake.  Thanks for noting that.  I meant to writeuntil 
*we* understand  I mean all of FFL and that's my opinion on the 
matter.  Not us and them, sweet pea.  BTW, there is a direct us and them 
line/paragraph in the book by Anita Moojani (Dying to be Me) that speaks to a 
spiritual perspective on that concept specifically using those exact words 
that I would think you would find interesting.  



 From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 11:59 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: J gets another fact wrong and S apologizes 
to R
 


TO EMILY TOO:  I think I have clearly answered all concerns about Sept 6, Oct 
1 and all the times in between.  And Emily, what can I say about the last 
sentence in your post to me this morning except, as you often tell us, it's 
all about you!  



Emily to Share:  Until I understand what you mean by that term and how you 
are defining 
it for yourself, what is the point of anything that you are writing to 
attempt to resolve the issue?



 From: authfriend authfri...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 12:34 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: J gets another fact wrong and S apologizes to R
 


Robin spent 25 years in isolation atoning and suffering

for the harm he'd done others. Now all of a sudden, out
of the blue, he's accused of continuing to inflict the
same harm when all he was after was friendship and goodwill.

  You now say  you were experiencing a range of emotions from grumpiness 
  to psychological rape.  That doesn't make any logical sense either as it 
  is highly unlikely you would emotionally maintain such a range *in the 
  moment* and your post indicates only the former.  The latter feeling 
  (which was what exactly) would supersede. 
  
  O.K.  It is *your* experience Share, of that only you *know.*  But you 
  have yet to explain what it was in terms that even come close to use of 
  the term psychological rape and your posts simply don't reflect it.  
  You now say you were emotionally upset and overwhelmed and lacking 
  psychological development.  Are you trying to say that you used the term 
  in error because of your internal landscape at the time?  You say your 
  POV is accurate - SHARE, WHAT IS YOUR POINT OF VIEW ON YOUR USE OF THE 
  TERM AT THE TIME YOU USED IT.  HOW ARE YOU DEFINING IT WITHIN YOURSELF.  
  FROM

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: J gets another fact wrong and S apologizes to R

2013-04-30 Thread Emily Reyn
Share, you still haven't defined what it means.  In that you experienced it, 
you should be able to come forth with a definition that reflects your 
experience.  To throw a term like that around like you have while refusing to 
define it is irresponsible, at the highest level, in my view.

It isn't about the rest of it Share, it's about your continued use of a highly 
accusatory term that you refuse to define.  You, Share, not Xeno or me, who 
have both put forth definitions - mine you rejected.  What is yours Share?





 From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2013 8:27 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: J gets another fact wrong and S apologizes to 
R
 


  
Emily when I said psychologically raped it was spontaneous AND it felt 
accurate AND I was very upset.  Later it was validated by people I trust both 
on FFL and not.  So I don't think there will be a retraction.  SIMULTANEOUSLY, 
I regret that I was not more psychologically developed at the time and didn't 
have better communication skills.  I regret all of my mistakes that such lacks 
contributed to, especially if they caused Robin distress.  

OTOH, I only take partial responsibility for the whole mess.  Robin IMO gets 
part of it.  And IMO Judy and the Jets get the rest.  



I have been wondering if one of the reasons Judy et al are so obsessed about 
what I said, is because it's too painful for them, being the Robin 
Fundamentalists that they are, to own up to their part in the whole thing.  As 
Curtis noted, using his own words, you all have very much contributed to a 
cyberspace blip becoming a blimp!  Perhaps if you all had not reacted as you 
did after my psych rape remark, perhaps the former WTS members wouldn't have 
come forward with stories and whole books!  Did you ever consider that?

Anyway, about your post just below, my guess is you're like all of us, Emily.  
Sometimes you care and sometimes you don't but deep down you always do.  So I 
wasn't bothered by what you said but thanks for the apology and explanations.  
 



 From: Emily Reyn emilymae.r...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 7:31 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: J gets another fact wrong and S apologizes to 
R
 


  
Dear Share:  Re: It comes across as real fear to me, but you know what Share, 
I am not your keeper and I really don't care.  Again, I wrote this too fast 
in my rush to step away from the network this morning and get something else 
done.  What the last phrase was supposed to say was .I am not your keeper 
and I really don't care to be.  I do care, Share, about you, and I wish the 
best for you every day.  Alright, time for me to step away from the network 
again. I'm having to write too many retractions for my own good today.  
Sincerely, Emily.  




 From: Emily Reyn emilymae.r...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 12:26 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: J gets another fact wrong and S apologizes 
to R
 


Sorry Share, my mistake.  Thanks for noting that.  I meant to writeuntil 
*we* understand  I mean all of FFL and that's my opinion on the 
matter.  Not us and them, sweet pea.  BTW, there is a direct us and them 
line/paragraph in the book by Anita Moojani (Dying to be Me) that speaks to a 
spiritual perspective on that concept specifically using those exact words 
that I would think you would find interesting.  



 From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 11:59 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: J gets another fact wrong and S apologizes 
to R
 


TO EMILY TOO:  I think I have clearly answered all concerns about Sept 6, 
Oct 1 and all the times in between.  And Emily, what can I say about the 
last sentence in your post to me this morning except, as you often tell us, 
it's all about you!  



Emily to Share:  Until I understand what you mean by that term and how you 
are defining 
it for yourself, what is the point of anything that you are writing to 
attempt to resolve the issue?



 From: authfriend authfri...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 12:34 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: J gets another fact wrong and S apologizes to R
 


Robin spent 25 years in isolation atoning and suffering

for the harm he'd done others. Now all of a sudden, out
of the blue, he's accused of continuing to inflict the
same harm when all he was after was friendship and goodwill.

  You now say  you were experiencing a range of emotions from grumpiness 
  to psychological rape.  That doesn't make any logical sense either

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: J gets another fact wrong and S apologizes to R

2013-04-30 Thread Emily Reyn
Share, how would you feel if I, as a man, accused you of psychological rape and 
then refused to tell you why.  If I put forth this slanderous and highly 
destructive and damaging term all over the searchable internet and refused to 
tell you, or anyone else I was communicating with (and there are a lot of 
people here Share) what I meant by it.  From a safe place Share, knowing that 
no harm will come to me.  Knowing that in my world of us and them I have 
supporters so I don't have to even go it alone.

In the larger picture - when a woman accuses a man of rape of any kind - the 
stakes are high.  Many a man has gone to jail and been condemned for an act he 
did not commit based on a woman's testimony.  It's unconscionable Share, 
positively emotionally sadistic.  I could start calling you an emotional 
sadist.  And refuse to discuss it with you Share.  Refuse to tell you what I 
mean by it.  Pretend I'm going to stop using the term, like you did, and 
continue to put it out there over and over and over.  Check yourself Share.  
Check yourself.  It's about *you* and your behavior.   




 From: Emily Reyn emilymae.r...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2013 9:35 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: J gets another fact wrong and S apologizes to 
R
 


Share, you still haven't defined what it means.  In that you experienced it, 
you should be able to come forth with a definition that reflects your 
experience.  To throw a term like that around like you have while refusing to 
define it is irresponsible, at the highest level, in my view.


It isn't about the rest of it Share, it's about your continued use of a highly 
accusatory term that you refuse to define.  You, Share, not Xeno or me, who 
have both put forth definitions - mine you rejected.  What is yours Share?






 From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2013 8:27 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: J gets another fact wrong and S apologizes 
to R
 


  
Emily when I said psychologically raped it was spontaneous AND it felt 
accurate AND I was very upset.  Later it was validated by people I trust both 
on FFL and not.  So I don't think there will be a retraction.  
SIMULTANEOUSLY, I regret that I was not more psychologically developed at the 
time and didn't have better communication skills.  I regret all of my 
mistakes that such lacks contributed to, especially if they caused Robin 
distress.  

OTOH, I only take partial responsibility for the whole mess.  Robin IMO gets 
part of it.  And IMO Judy and the Jets get the rest.  



I have been wondering if one of the reasons Judy et al are so obsessed about 
what I said, is because it's too painful for them, being the Robin 
Fundamentalists that they are, to own up to their part in the whole thing.  
As Curtis noted, using his own words, you all have very much contributed to a 
cyberspace blip becoming a blimp!  Perhaps if you all had not reacted as you 
did after my psych rape remark, perhaps the former WTS members wouldn't have 
come forward with stories and whole books!  Did you ever consider that?

Anyway, about your post just below, my guess is you're like all of us, Emily. 
 Sometimes you care and sometimes you don't but deep down you always do.  So 
I wasn't bothered by what you said but thanks for the apology and 
explanations.   



 From: Emily Reyn emilymae.r...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 7:31 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: J gets another fact wrong and S apologizes 
to R
 


  
Dear Share:  Re: It comes across as real fear to me, but you know what 
Share, I am not your keeper and I really don't care.  Again, I wrote this 
too fast in my rush to step away from the network this morning and get 
something else done.  What the last phrase was supposed to say was .I am 
not your keeper and I really don't care to be.  I do care, Share, about you, 
and I wish the best for you every day.  Alright, time for me to step away 
from the network again. I'm having to write too many retractions for my own 
good today.  Sincerely, Emily.  




 From: Emily Reyn emilymae.r...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 12:26 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: J gets another fact wrong and S apologizes 
to R
 


Sorry Share, my mistake.  Thanks for noting that.  I meant to 
writeuntil *we* understand  I mean all of FFL and that's 
my opinion on the matter.  Not us and them, sweet pea.  BTW, there is a 
direct us and them line/paragraph in the book by Anita Moojani (Dying to 
be Me) that speaks to a spiritual perspective on that concept specifically 
using those exact

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: J gets another fact wrong and S apologizes to R

2013-04-30 Thread Emily Reyn
P.S.  YOU ARE A PSYCHOLOGICAL SADIST SHARE (PS FOR SHORT).  DO A SEARCH ON 
ROBIN CARLSEN AND RAPE AND SEE WHAT COMES UP.  STOP SHARE, STOP, PLEASE STOP.  
FOR THE LOVE OF GOD.  ROBIN USES HIS REAL NAME SHARE.  FUCK US ALL SHARE.  

NOW I'M GOING TO BE LATE.  THAT'S HOW MUCH I CARE ABOUT YOU SHARE.  




 From: Emily Reyn emilymae.r...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2013 9:52 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: J gets another fact wrong and S apologizes to 
R
 


  
Share, how would you feel if I, as a man, accused you of psychological rape 
and then refused to tell you why.  If I put forth this slanderous and highly 
destructive and damaging term all over the searchable internet and refused to 
tell you, or anyone else I was communicating with (and there are a lot of 
people here Share) what I meant by it.  From a safe place Share, knowing that 
no harm will come to me.  Knowing that in my world of us and them I have 
supporters so I don't have to even go it alone.


In the larger picture - when a woman accuses a man of rape of any kind - the 
stakes are high.  Many a man has gone to jail and been condemned for an act he 
did not commit based on a woman's testimony.  It's unconscionable Share, 
positively emotionally sadistic.  I could start calling you an emotional 
sadist.  And refuse to discuss it with you Share.  Refuse to tell you what I 
mean by it.  Pretend I'm going to stop using the term, like you did, and 
continue to put it out there over and over and over.  Check yourself Share.  
Check yourself.  It's about *you* and your behavior.   




 From: Emily Reyn emilymae.r...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2013 9:35 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: J gets another fact wrong and S apologizes 
to R
 


Share, you still haven't defined what it means.  In that you experienced it, 
you should be able to come forth with a definition that reflects your 
experience.  To throw a term like that around like you have while refusing to 
define it is irresponsible, at the highest level, in my view.


It isn't about the rest of it Share, it's about your continued use of a 
highly accusatory term that you refuse to define.  You, Share, not Xeno or 
me, who have both put forth definitions - mine you rejected.  What is yours 
Share?






 From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2013 8:27 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: J gets another fact wrong and S apologizes 
to R
 


  
Emily when I said psychologically raped it was spontaneous AND it felt 
accurate AND I was very upset.  Later it was validated by people I trust 
both on FFL and not.  So I don't think there will be a retraction.  
SIMULTANEOUSLY, I regret that I was not more psychologically developed at 
the time and didn't have better communication skills.  I regret all of my 
mistakes that such lacks contributed to, especially if they caused Robin 
distress.  

OTOH, I only take partial responsibility for the whole mess.  Robin IMO gets 
part of it.  And IMO Judy and the Jets get the rest.  



I have been wondering if one of the reasons Judy et al are so obsessed about 
what I said, is because it's too painful for them, being the Robin 
Fundamentalists that they are, to own up to their part in the whole thing.  
As Curtis noted, using his own words, you all have very much contributed to 
a cyberspace blip becoming a blimp!  Perhaps if you all had not reacted as 
you did after my psych rape remark, perhaps the former WTS members wouldn't 
have come forward with stories and whole books!  Did you ever consider that?

Anyway, about your post just below, my guess is you're like all of us, 
Emily.  Sometimes you care and sometimes you don't but deep down you always 
do.  So I wasn't bothered by what you said but thanks for the apology and 
explanations.   



 From: Emily Reyn emilymae.r...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 7:31 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: J gets another fact wrong and S apologizes 
to R
 


  
Dear Share:  Re: It comes across as real fear to me, but you know what 
Share, I am not your keeper and I really don't care.  Again, I wrote this 
too fast in my rush to step away from the network this morning and get 
something else done.  What the last phrase was supposed to say was .I 
am not your keeper and I really don't care to be.  I do care, Share, about 
you, and I wish the best for you every day.  Alright, time for me to step 
away from the network again. I'm having to write too many retractions for 
my own good today.  Sincerely, Emily.  




 From: Emily Reyn emilymae.r

[FairfieldLife] Re: J gets another fact wrong and S apologizes to R

2013-04-30 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote:

 Emily when I said psychologically raped it was spontaneous
 AND it felt accurate AND I was very upset.

No no no, Share, you aren't dealing with what both Emily
and I have pointed out. You've been sidestepping and fancy-
dancing away from the actual issues all the way through
this.

 Later it was validated by people I trust both on FFL and not.

All of whom you knew to be Robin-haters. And it never
once occurred to you that they might not be totally
objective and that by their validation, they were
exploiting you to serve their agenda against him.

 So I don't think there will be a retraction. SIMULTANEOUSLY,
 I regret that I was not more psychologically developed at
 the time and didn't have better communication skills. I regret
 all of my mistakes that such lacks contributed to, especially
 if they caused Robin distress.
 
 OTOH, I only take partial responsibility for the whole mess.
 Robin IMO gets part of it.

Robin did NOTHING WRONG. Every bit of this is on you.

 And IMO Judy and the Jets get the rest.

For defending Robin from a false charge? For pointing out
all the other falsehoods you were telling? Right. A little
more psychological development needed here, please.

 I have been wondering if one of the reasons Judy et al
 are so obsessed about what I said, is because it's too
 painful for them, being the Robin Fundamentalists that
 they are, to own up to their part in the whole thing.

You are out of your freaking gourd. We had no part
whatsoever in the post of Robin's you decided--four
weeks after the fact--had been psychological rape.

 As Curtis noted, using his own words, you all have very
 much contributed to a cyberspace blip becoming a blimp!
 Perhaps if you all had not reacted as you did after my
 psych rape remark,

Perhaps if you hadn't overreacted to Robin's post on
September 6 and fought his patient explanations that
you had misunderstood him--as well as telling falsehoods
about how it had all unfolded--you wouldn't have decided
four weeks later that you had been psychologically raped,
and *none* of this would have happened.

Again, this is *all on you*, Share. The whole
psychological rape idea was something you came up with
on October 1 in an attempt to account for how you'd gotten
yourself into this mess, why you were up against it and
couldn't seem to find your way out of it.

There was nothing in that initial exchange with Robin
on September 6--after months of the warmest, friendliest
conversations--that any *sane* person could have 
considered more than a minor misunderstanding.

You ended up being psychologically raped by your own
inability to deal with reality, which doesn't take no
for an answer.

 perhaps the former WTS members
 wouldn't have come forward with stories and whole books!

One book, Share (unpublished at that).

 Did you ever consider that?

LordKnows showed up on FFL at the beginning of *August*,
Share. He thought he was going to discredit Robin with
his stories, but he failed miserably and disappeared
again after five days.

When you came out with your psychological rape
accusation almost two months later, he figured maybe he
had another shot at it by exploiting your craziness.

The Howells didn't turn up until a month after that.
And they dropped their little bomb and hastily beat
feet out of here.

Throughout all this, Robin handled himself with great
dignity and forthrightness. Can you imagine the courage
it took to confront without flinching what was being
thrown at him?

No, I don't deify Robin. He has plenty of faults and
weaknesses. But unlike others here--yourself in particular--
he takes full responsibility for them.

I'm utterly fascinated by the notion that it's perfectly
OK to make a slanderous accusation against somebody in an
Internet forum, and that it's the folks who object to it
who are at fault.




[FairfieldLife] Re: J gets another fact wrong and S apologizes to R

2013-04-30 Thread curtisdeltablues
I don't suppose you ever saw the first Terminator movie Share, but this is what 
you are dealing with:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vCLeV7PfJs


I object to being refereed to as a Robin-hater as if that term sums up the 
hours of interaction I had with the guy, or explains my more nuanced view of 
him now.  But it is worthy of note that the people who did find some resonance 
with Share's term did share the experience of being at the business end of 
Robin's I WILL improve you whether you like it or not shotgun.

I am cutting out everything else from this post and would like to remind the 
people trying to help Robin's online image, it is repetition that floods the 
search engines.  What you have accomplished by this massive foot print link of 
his name and this term is to make it impossible for anyone to get to the bottom 
of this discussion, even if miraculously Share rolled over and said whatever it 
is that she is supposed to say to satisfy you. (My suspicion is that no such 
words exist.) 

So keep it up if you must, but know that I am officially blowing the lid off 
the cover that this is all in the best interest of Robin's online image.  You 
are doing it for your own personal reasons, despite the fact that your fixation 
is hurting his online image. 



[FairfieldLife] Re: J gets another fact wrong and S apologizes to R

2013-04-30 Thread turquoiseb
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... 
wrote:

 I don't suppose you ever saw the first Terminator movie Share, 
 but this is what you are dealing with:
 
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vCLeV7PfJs

This is from Terminator 3, but the metaphor is valid.
The appropriate quote from the original The Terminator
(paraphrased) is, You still don't get it, do you? She'll 
find her! That's what she does! That's ALL she does! You 
can't stop her! She'll wade through you, reach down her 
throat and pull her fuckin' heart out!

It's TM-esque one-pointedness, taken to the point of
psychosis. 





[FairfieldLife] Re: J gets another fact wrong and S apologizes to R

2013-04-30 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... 
wrote:

 I don't suppose you ever saw the first Terminator movie Share,

Third Terminator movie. But we're just talkin' here, no
need to be factual.

 but this is what you are dealing with:
 
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vCLeV7PfJs
 
 I object to being refereed to as a Robin-hater as if
 that term sums up the hours of interaction I had with
 the guy, or explains my more nuanced view of him now.

More nuanced view--that gave me a belly laugh, Curtis,
thanks. Sorta like using non complimentary feeling
to refer to Share's accusation of psychological rape.
Not to mention that oh-so-nuanced blue streak of
especially hateful falsehoods you unloaded concerning
those interactions after your most recent clash with
Robin.

 But it is worthy of note that the people who did find
 some resonance with Share's term did share the
 experience of being at the business end of Robin's I
 WILL improve you whether you like it or not shotgun.

Notice that Curtis does not add more than a quarter of a
century ago (for all but Curtis). Notice also the subtle
use of shotgun as a metaphor to convey violent coercion
(he strongly objected to Robin using metaphors of physical
conflict in their discussions, BTW). Curtis doesn't miss
a trick. And the characterization in quotes is made as if
it were definitive and invulnerable to challenge (it's 
neither, but that's another can of worms).

 I am cutting out everything else from this post and would
 like to remind the people trying to help Robin's online
 image, it is repetition that floods the search engines.
 What you have accomplished by this massive foot print link
 of his name and this term is to make it impossible for
 anyone to get to the bottom of this discussion, even if 
 miraculously Share rolled over and said whatever it is that
 she is supposed to say to satisfy you. (My suspicion is
 that no such words exist.)

I retract my accusation that Robin psychologically
raped me are the words from Share that would satisfy
*me*.

But the really fun part here is that of the various
links to Robin's name in the context of the term
psychological rape, the great majority will be to
vigorous objections to the accusation, many of them
backed up by documentation calling it in serious
question.

Whether anyone gets to the bottom of this discussion
is immaterial. What's important is that they see that
the accusation sparked significant outrage and pushback;
it didn't just sit there like a little stinkbomb
unchallenged.

 So keep it up if you must, but know that I am officially
 blowing the lid off the cover

AHA HAHA HAHAHA!! Curtis at his most pompous.

 that this is all in the best interest of Robin's online
 image.  You are doing it for your own personal reasons,

You see, Curtis knows our thought process better than we
do ourselves.

Bullshit, Curtis. That's another of the vicious little
tropes you haul out when you don't have a case. You've
used it quite a bit, and it's no truer now than when you
first manufactured it.

It is, of course, a projection: Curtis has been siding
with Share not because he cares about her but because
she's useful to him in his jihad against Robin.

(Or maybe he's just jealous that Robin has such strong,
articulate supporters, while he has to make do with Barry
and Steve and Xeno and Share.)

 despite the fact that your fixation is hurting his online
 image.

No, it ain't, Curtis, sorry. I just blew the lid off that
piece of disingenuous crap too.

For Curtis, of course, the objections to Share's accusation
are NOT A GOOD THING. He would much rather the accusation
stand on its own without anybody contesting it, because he
figures it gives his own attacks on Robin some credibility.

And the very *last* thing he wants is for Share to retract
the accusation. He doesn't want the work he did to turn
her against Robin to go to waste.

That's why he's trying so hard to discourage those of us
who are calling Share on her slander.




Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: J gets another fact wrong and S apologizes to R

2013-04-30 Thread Share Long
I post these very 
personal emails of mine to Robin to show why I think I tried my best to 
reconcile with Robin.  I sent the first to Robin on Sept 6 at 8:15 pm 
Central.  Cuckoo ness in the last sentence refers back to something 
Robin had said to me.  


Dear
 Robin,
Please also notice that I said apologies if I 
misunderstood.  And most importantly, that in that case, I hope we can 
work things out.  It's not my way to just cut people off with no chance 
of reconciliation.  Especially given the limitations of emailing and 
inevitable misunderstandings.   

Here's how you began that post:
All that I was trying to communicate--and I said I was very 
likely...wrong--was the sense I had in reading your post to me that *I 
was only getting the human being Share Long*--and no belief system. 

Here was my reply to that:
Robin, it sounds like you're saying that you sensed you were 
getting the real me and not my beliefs.  But that you were very likely 
wrong!

Which says to me that you don't think you were getting the real me, but rather 
my beliefs.  What did I misinterpret?

I
 would never do anything purposefully to hurt you, Robin.  I feel awful 
to think I misunderstood and hurt you even accidently.  And now I wish I
 had sent it to you directly but you've been ignoring those direct 
emails and I needed to know for sure that you had gotten it.

What
 can I do to make amends?  And I'm happy to apologize to you on the 
forum.  I willing to do whatever is necessary to make it right between 
us.  Can you forgive my cuckoo ness?
Share

I sent this to Robin on Sept 9 at 7:54 pm Central.  Sept 9 is when Judy first 
interfered.


Dear Robin,
I never thought any of the things about you that you accuse me of below.  I 
never thought you were careless about my heart.  I never thought you 
were a bully.  I never thought you lacked regard for me.  I never 
thought you were self centered.  I never thought you were a rat.

I expressedinnocent and real joy at the beautiful Russian flash mob you posted. 
 You replied by saying 
that you sensed I was being the real Share but that you were probably 
wrong.  This is what hurt me.    


What I attributed your comment to was your taking on the role of a teacher 
of what is real.  You yourself talked about that as being your destiny 
and in your DNA.  So this is where I think you were coming from.

Of course I haven't known you very long and then only online.  So I don't 
claim to know you that well.  But I do sense that you are more developed than 
me.  Maybe that's why I don't understand you.  

Maybe I never will.  I can promise that I will do my best.  And that I continue 
to do whatever I can to develop my ability to love.  But I will probably make 
more mistakes along the way.


Again, I apologize for my part in all this upset.  I hope we can put it behind 
us.  

Even here I can sense an ocean between us.  It makes me feel sad.  I was 
telling my pastoral counselor today that I sense that you live at a very deep 
level of life.  That you experience layers and layers of richness and 
attempt to convey that in your writing.  Perhaps because of my chaotic 
early childhood, I am more comfortable with simplicity.  I hope we can 
find a meeting ground that is comfortable and even joyful for us both.Share   



 From: curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2013 12:58 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: J gets another fact wrong and S apologizes to R
 


  
I don't suppose you ever saw the first Terminator movie Share, but this is what 
you are dealing with:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vCLeV7PfJs

I object to being refereed to as a Robin-hater as if that term sums up the 
hours of interaction I had with the guy, or explains my more nuanced view of 
him now.  But it is worthy of note that the people who did find some resonance 
with Share's term did share the experience of being at the business end of 
Robin's I WILL improve you whether you like it or not shotgun.

I am cutting out everything else from this post and would like to remind the 
people trying to help Robin's online image, it is repetition that floods the 
search engines.  What you have accomplished by this massive foot print link of 
his name and this term is to make it impossible for anyone to get to the bottom 
of this discussion, even if miraculously Share rolled over and said whatever it 
is that she is supposed to say to satisfy you. (My suspicion is that no such 
words exist.) 

So keep it up if you must, but know that I am officially blowing the lid off 
the cover that this is all in the best interest of Robin's online image.  You 
are doing it for your own personal reasons, despite the fact that your fixation 
is hurting his online image. 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: J gets another fact wrong and S apologizes to R

2013-04-30 Thread Emily Reyn
Dear Share:  

What your part of this exchange indicates is that there was a real 
misunderstanding between you and Robin.  You felt badly about this.  I take you 
at your word.  Your feelings were hurt.  You think he made assumptions about 
your emails to him and your POV and I'm guessing your *personhood* that were 
inaccurate. This comes through as well.  You worry that you have hurt him by 
what you've said also and are willing to apologize and make amends.  None of 
that happened here though.  Instead we have an accusation of PR from you.  

How were you PR'd Share?  Where is the PR on his part?  How do you define PR?  
This doesn't indicate any such dramatic personally destructive act on his part. 
 Rape is a violent act Share, whether emotional, mental or physical.  Where is 
the violence on Robin's end?  How did you come to this conclusion about how you 
were treated?

These emails do not indicate what you have steadfastly been projecting.  I 
would be the first person Share to acknowledge your situation if, in fact, you 
go to the effort to explain it.  These emails don't explain that PR occurred, 
based on Xeno's definition, as you thanked him for his email.  Is that the 
definition you are using?  I do not care a whit what Robin thinks of me.  If he 
dished it out, than he can take responsibility for it, that's the way my world 
works.  

Share, between any two human beings there is a tension between two differing 
POV's.  Have you paid any attention to the exchange between Curtis and I over 
the last two days?  Did you watch me publicly address my concern with him about 
why he sent me the song with the gang lyrics?  Did you understand that I was 
worried that he did that in a moment of anger and I wanted to resolve it?  Did 
you watch him explain why he did?  Did you watch me accept his explanation?  
Did you watch me acknowledge my part?  Did you watch us both return, for the 
present time at least, to the topic that was more interesting to both of us?  
Did you watch both of us show up to engage in the conversation publicly?  
Situation resolved Share.  Done.  No accusations of rape of any kind on my 
part for what would have at the most been a situation of hurt feelings on my 
part.  

Do you know what was in the email that Sal sent me?  Accusation Share.  
Assumptions about my behavior and my personality that were not favorable, to 
say the least.  Lots of ill will Share, from my perspective.  And, my decision, 
given my angst was to send it to both Curtis and Judy for review and then move 
the conversation to the internet and never even make the email public.  Not a 
good strategy really, but in the end, it all resolved itself Share.  You aren't 
the only one in life, or on FFL, to have dealt with personally difficult 
situations and angry feelings.  Is that all this is Share?  

 




 From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2013 12:58 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: J gets another fact wrong and S apologizes to 
R
 


  
I post these very 
personal emails of mine to Robin to show why I think I tried my best to 
reconcile with Robin.  I sent the first to Robin on Sept 6 at 8:15 pm 
Central.  Cuckoo ness in the last sentence refers back to something 
Robin had said to me.  


Dear
 Robin,
Please also notice that I said apologies if I 
misunderstood.  And most importantly, that in that case, I hope we can 
work things out.  It's not my way to just cut people off with no chance 
of reconciliation.  Especially given the limitations of emailing and 
inevitable misunderstandings.   

Here's how you began that post:
All that I was trying to communicate--and I said I was very 
likely...wrong--was the sense I had in reading your post to me that *I 
was only getting the human being Share Long*--and no belief system. 

Here was my reply to that:
Robin, it sounds like you're saying that you sensed you were 
getting the real me and not my beliefs.  But that you were very likely 
wrong!

Which says to me that you don't think you were getting the real me, but rather 
my beliefs.  What did I misinterpret?

I
 would never do anything purposefully to hurt you, Robin.  I feel awful 
to think I misunderstood and hurt you even accidently.  And now I wish I
 had sent it to you directly but you've been ignoring those direct 
emails and I needed to know for sure that you had gotten it.

What
 can I do to make amends?  And I'm happy to apologize to you on the 
forum.  I willing to do whatever is necessary to make it right between 
us.  Can you forgive my cuckoo ness?
Share

I sent this to Robin on Sept 9 at 7:54 pm Central.  Sept 9 is when Judy first 
interfered.


Dear Robin,
I never thought any of the things about you that you accuse me of below.  I 
never thought you were careless about my heart.  I never thought you 
were a bully.  I never thought you lacked regard for me.  I never

[FairfieldLife] Re: J gets another fact wrong and S apologizes to R

2013-04-30 Thread Ann


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote:

 Emily, as you suggested, I googled Robin 
 Carlsen and rape.  As did later hits, the first hit contained psychological 
 rape in the 
 title line.  It was a post from JUDY.  Perhaps that says it all.      
 
 IMO you are way off target here.  One, I only continue to discuss it because 
 you all continue to badger.  Two, I have said what I meant by the term.  
 Three, do you know of a man who has gone to jail for psychological rape?!  
 Four, there were men among those on FFL and off who have validated my use of 
 that term.  
 
 Recently Robin himself used psychological rape about Ann 
 to Curtis.  When I asked about that, Ann said she thought Robin was 
 being both ironic and acknowledging what she went through at the time. 

Not acknowledging that I experienced psychological rape, dear Share. Re-read 
that section again about what I wrote. He was, in my opinion, giving a small 
'nod' of recognition that I had gone through a lot but I never described or, 
indeed, would have ever thought of or used that term to describe what I 
experienced at the end of days for me around WTS.  Be very careful how you 
attribute words to others, in this case myself.

 Plus Judy has herself 
 said that Robin pushes people.  When I refer to that, she says I'm 
 making too much of it!  IMO, I'm giving just the right amount of attention 
 to both comments! 
 
 I admire the way you care about Robin.  But I had begun to suspect that you 
 all were, in your minds, erasing the word psychological.  Why, I don't 
 know.  Perhaps you all are the ones who are getting high off of your extreme 
 feelings, such as you have accused me of.  All that protectiveness towards 
 Robin, questioning, analyzing, badgering and attacking me, often quite 
 gleefully, and obsessing about it for almost 8 months.  Not to mention you 
 personally may be using it to have your head in the sand about your financial 
 situation?
 
 You see, Emily your enablers have been, it seems ok with your focusing on the 
 upsets between me and Robin for all those weeks between Sept 6 and Jan when I 
 told you and Ann I wouldn't answer any more grudgy sounding posts.  Funnily 
 enough, I remember that when I first joined FFL last May, you posted soon 
 after that you
  were running out of money and
  going on
  vacation.  Huh?  Now fast forward to Dec 2012 and again you're posting 
 that you're running out of money and going on vacation.  Except this time I 
 did not think Huh. 
 
 I have compassion for your situation.  But a little less when you've been 
 spending your time either inaccurately analyzing me, badgering me or 
 gleefully attacking me.  Hey, maybe you could get Judy to do a archives 
 search on that!    
 
 Oh and just to be clear, I do not feel at all like a victim.  I don't think 
 I sound like one either.  YMMV.
 
 
 
  From: Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2013 11:52 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: J gets another fact wrong and S apologizes 
 to R
  
 
 
   
 Share, how would you feel if I, as a man, accused you of psychological rape 
 and then refused to tell you why.  If I put forth this slanderous and highly 
 destructive and damaging term all over the searchable internet and refused to 
 tell you, or anyone else I was communicating with (and there are a lot of 
 people here Share) what I meant by it.  From a safe place Share, knowing 
 that no harm will come to me.  Knowing that in my world of us and them I 
 have supporters so I don't have to even go it alone.
 
 In the larger picture - when a woman accuses a man of rape of any kind - 
 the stakes are high.  Many a man has gone to jail and been condemned for an 
 act he did not commit based on a woman's testimony.  It's unconscionable 
 Share, positively emotionally sadistic.  I could start calling you an 
 emotional sadist.  And refuse to discuss it with you Share.  Refuse to tell 
 you what I mean by it.  Pretend I'm going to stop using the term, like you 
 did, and continue to put it out there over and over and over.  Check 
 yourself Share.  Check yourself.  It's about *you* and your behavior.   
 
 
 
 
  From: Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2013 9:35 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: J gets another fact wrong and S apologizes 
 to R
  
 
 
 Share, you still haven't defined what it means.  In that you experienced 
 it, you should be able to come forth with a definition that reflects your 
 experience.  To throw a term like that around like you have while refusing 
 to define it is irresponsible, at the highest level, in my view.
 
 
 It isn't about the rest of it Share, it's about your continued use of a 
 highly accusatory

[FairfieldLife] Re: J gets another fact wrong and S apologizes to R

2013-04-30 Thread Ann


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ 
 wrote:
 
  I don't suppose you ever saw the first Terminator movie Share, 
  but this is what you are dealing with:
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vCLeV7PfJs
 
 This is from Terminator 3, but the metaphor is valid.
 The appropriate quote from the original The Terminator
 (paraphrased) is, You still don't get it, do you? She'll 
 find her! That's what she does! That's ALL she does! You 
 can't stop her! She'll wade through you, reach down her 
 throat and pull her fuckin' heart out!
 
 It's TM-esque one-pointedness, taken to the point of
 psychosis.

We must give Barry another round of applause for this peanut gallery analysis 
that fails to avoid finger pointing, negativity and an apparent desire to never 
see dissension between individuals end. These synopses of his never fail to 
focus on perpetuating ill will. They are never solutions, remedies, middle 
grounds or ways to suggest compromise. Just a mean-spirited guy wiping the 
saliva off his shirt front because of his appetite for continued negativity 
between people. He can fairly taste it. Or maybe he is just hungry for 
something off the Doc's delicious menu offerings.





[FairfieldLife] Re: J gets another fact wrong and S apologizes to R

2013-04-30 Thread doctordumbass


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@... wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues 
  curtisdeltablues@ wrote:
  
   I don't suppose you ever saw the first Terminator movie Share, 
   but this is what you are dealing with:
   
   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vCLeV7PfJs
  
  This is from Terminator 3, but the metaphor is valid.
  The appropriate quote from the original The Terminator
  (paraphrased) is, You still don't get it, do you? She'll 
  find her! That's what she does! That's ALL she does! You 
  can't stop her! She'll wade through you, reach down her 
  throat and pull her fuckin' heart out!
  
  It's TM-esque one-pointedness, taken to the point of
  psychosis.
 
 We must give Barry another round of applause for this peanut gallery analysis 
 that fails to avoid finger pointing, negativity and an apparent desire to 
 never see dissension between individuals end. These synopses of his never 
 fail to focus on perpetuating ill will. They are never solutions, remedies, 
 middle grounds or ways to suggest compromise. Just a mean-spirited guy wiping 
 the saliva off his shirt front because of his appetite for continued 
 negativity between people. He can fairly taste it. Or maybe he is just hungry 
 for something off the Doc's delicious menu offerings.
 

A sad road to ruin for our fellow, yet failed, gastronome, Sous Chef Barry. His 
Merde du Mer, featured recently, was not a big seller in The FFL Main Dining 
Room, nor has it succeeded in his signature cafe, Opinions, where it is 
relabeled simply as, The Shit Sandwich (with deference to Spinal Tap), $21.95, 
comes with shoulder chips, and two left feet salsa. 

This was to be his comeback dish, to put him BACK, ON THE *Effing* MAP, JACK, 
alongside such culinary greats as, Guy Fieri, Ronald McDonald, Mr. Peanut, Mr. 
Kool-aid, Fig Newton, Sponge Bob, and Paula Deen. 

Alas, his destiny lies elsewhere, far, far, far, far, far, far, far, far, far, 
far, far, far, far far, far, far, far, away, over the furthest horizon! 

Fly free, and farewell, Sous Chef Barry!! As we so often said during your 
cooking trials, and tribulations, Adieu, until the next shit hits the fan!.  



[FairfieldLife] Re: J gets another fact wrong and S apologizes to R

2013-04-30 Thread curtisdeltablues
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ 
 wrote:
 
  I don't suppose you ever saw the first Terminator movie Share,
 
 Third Terminator movie. But we're just talkin' here, no
 need to be factual.
 
  but this is what you are dealing with:
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vCLeV7PfJs
  
  I object to being refereed to as a Robin-hater as if
  that term sums up the hours of interaction I had with
  the guy, or explains my more nuanced view of him now.
 
 More nuanced view--that gave me a belly laugh, Curtis,
 thanks.

Right because you know my feelings better from what I have written here than I 
would know about myself, the Judy premise.

I don't hate Robin, I found him very unpleasant when he got on his critical 
routine full time.  Your constantly harshly negative take on my interactions 
with Robin show that you don't really give a shit about the guy beyond his 
usefulness for your little vendettas here.

You paint a picture of our relationship as me duping his as a poor sap and then 
me making him a victim.  This is not my view at all.

You can't stop yourself from endlessly harping on Share's use of a phrase that 
would be long forgotten if not for your efforts to keep it alive.

I know one other guy who is not fooled by your routine.  I would bet on it.


 Sorta like using non complimentary feeling
 to refer to Share's accusation of psychological rape.
 Not to mention that oh-so-nuanced blue streak of
 especially hateful falsehoods you unloaded concerning
 those interactions after your most recent clash with
 Robin.


Again, the Judy assumption that her view of my experience with Robin should 
supersede my actual experience of it. Judy knows what REALLY happened between 
Robin and me even though both of us have struggled with really figuring out why 
things went South.

And surprise, in Judy's jaundiced view, it was all MY fault and poor Robin was 
just a victim.

 
  But it is worthy of note that the people who did find
  some resonance with Share's term did share the
  experience of being at the business end of Robin's I
  WILL improve you whether you like it or not shotgun.
 
 Notice that Curtis does not add more than a quarter of a
 century ago (for all but Curtis).

And the time factor would matter how if he is running the same game now, which 
led to the agreement?  

 Notice also the subtle
 use of shotgun as a metaphor to convey violent coercion
 (he strongly objected to Robin using metaphors of physical
 conflict in their discussions, BTW). Curtis doesn't miss
 a trick. And the characterization in quotes is made as if
 it were definitive and invulnerable to challenge (it's 
 neither, but that's another can of worms).
 
  I am cutting out everything else from this post and would
  like to remind the people trying to help Robin's online
  image, it is repetition that floods the search engines.
  What you have accomplished by this massive foot print link
  of his name and this term is to make it impossible for
  anyone to get to the bottom of this discussion, even if 
  miraculously Share rolled over and said whatever it is that
  she is supposed to say to satisfy you. (My suspicion is
  that no such words exist.)
 
 I retract my accusation that Robin psychologically
 raped me are the words from Share that would satisfy
 *me*.

And she hasn't felt a desire to retract them.  So you have been badgering her 
nonstop for months to try to get her to do so beyond all reason and beyond 
what is consistent with your stated goal of helping Robin's online rep.  Why 
should she retract something because YOU don't like it?  Robin ended up using 
it himself later so it must not bug him as much as you.

 
 But the really fun part here is that of the various
 links to Robin's name in the context of the term
 psychological rape, the great majority will be to
 vigorous objections to the accusation, many of them
 backed up by documentation calling it in serious
 question.

By nutbags like YOU.  You are not helping.  Look how many times you have 
repeated it in THIS post.  You can't resist repeating the term when I have 
carefully avoided it here.  With friends like you Robin doesn't need enemies. 

 
 Whether anyone gets to the bottom of this discussion
 is immaterial. What's important is that they see that
 the accusation sparked significant outrage and pushback;
 it didn't just sit there like a little stinkbomb
 unchallenged.

But you keep bringing it up dopey.  Don't you get what you are doing?

 
  So keep it up if you must, but know that I am officially
  blowing the lid off the cover
 
 AHA HAHA HAHAHA!! Curtis at his most pompous.
 
  that this is all in the best interest of Robin's online
  image.  You are doing it for your own personal reasons,
 
 You see, Curtis knows our thought process better than we
 do ourselves.

No this is not the case. I don't need to know your motives I see the result. 

[FairfieldLife] Re: J gets another fact wrong and S apologizes to R

2013-04-30 Thread doctordumbass
Hey Curtis, thanks for hanging in there - seriously. Beyond my basic principle 
of each of us owning both our own shit, and our own gold, this conversation has 
taken some really interesting turns. Very polarized, and polarizing at times, 
but worth it. I like what I am learning about everyone, including myself. 

And Em, and Share, your interaction has been awesome! I like it. Reality 
speaks, and in so many voices here. I hope I sound neither voyeuristic or 
preachy, I just enjoy the fuck out of an honest conversation. 

Judy, keeping that barge chugging up river, though nightfall's a comin', while 
Ann plays harmonica, and R. Dog strums the banjo on deck. Spot on compass 
heading, and easily overlooked.

I'll settle back now, into my rocking chair, and listen some more. Regards,
 
Doctor Dumbass -- 
[By appointment only. Specializing in hair re-growth on foot soles, and the 
portion of the outer ear canal, known as Herpes Bathtub. Also treating 
extensive cheese allergies.]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues 
  curtisdeltablues@ wrote:
  
   I don't suppose you ever saw the first Terminator movie Share,
  
  Third Terminator movie. But we're just talkin' here, no
  need to be factual.
  
   but this is what you are dealing with:
   
   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vCLeV7PfJs
   
   I object to being refereed to as a Robin-hater as if
   that term sums up the hours of interaction I had with
   the guy, or explains my more nuanced view of him now.
  
  More nuanced view--that gave me a belly laugh, Curtis,
  thanks.
 
 Right because you know my feelings better from what I have written here than 
 I would know about myself, the Judy premise.
 
 I don't hate Robin, I found him very unpleasant when he got on his critical 
 routine full time.  Your constantly harshly negative take on my interactions 
 with Robin show that you don't really give a shit about the guy beyond his 
 usefulness for your little vendettas here.
 
 You paint a picture of our relationship as me duping his as a poor sap and 
 then me making him a victim.  This is not my view at all.
 
 You can't stop yourself from endlessly harping on Share's use of a phrase 
 that would be long forgotten if not for your efforts to keep it alive.
 
 I know one other guy who is not fooled by your routine.  I would bet on it.
 
 
  Sorta like using non complimentary feeling
  to refer to Share's accusation of psychological rape.
  Not to mention that oh-so-nuanced blue streak of
  especially hateful falsehoods you unloaded concerning
  those interactions after your most recent clash with
  Robin.
 
 
 Again, the Judy assumption that her view of my experience with Robin should 
 supersede my actual experience of it. Judy knows what REALLY happened between 
 Robin and me even though both of us have struggled with really figuring out 
 why things went South.
 
 And surprise, in Judy's jaundiced view, it was all MY fault and poor Robin 
 was just a victim.
 
  
   But it is worthy of note that the people who did find
   some resonance with Share's term did share the
   experience of being at the business end of Robin's I
   WILL improve you whether you like it or not shotgun.
  
  Notice that Curtis does not add more than a quarter of a
  century ago (for all but Curtis).
 
 And the time factor would matter how if he is running the same game now, 
 which led to the agreement?  
 
  Notice also the subtle
  use of shotgun as a metaphor to convey violent coercion
  (he strongly objected to Robin using metaphors of physical
  conflict in their discussions, BTW). Curtis doesn't miss
  a trick. And the characterization in quotes is made as if
  it were definitive and invulnerable to challenge (it's 
  neither, but that's another can of worms).
  
   I am cutting out everything else from this post and would
   like to remind the people trying to help Robin's online
   image, it is repetition that floods the search engines.
   What you have accomplished by this massive foot print link
   of his name and this term is to make it impossible for
   anyone to get to the bottom of this discussion, even if 
   miraculously Share rolled over and said whatever it is that
   she is supposed to say to satisfy you. (My suspicion is
   that no such words exist.)
  
  I retract my accusation that Robin psychologically
  raped me are the words from Share that would satisfy
  *me*.
 
 And she hasn't felt a desire to retract them.  So you have been badgering her 
 nonstop for months to try to get her to do so beyond all reason and beyond 
 what is consistent with your stated goal of helping Robin's online rep.  Why 
 should she retract something because YOU don't like it?  Robin ended up using 
 it himself later so it must not bug him as much as you.
 
  
  But the really fun part here is that of the 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: J gets another fact wrong and S apologizes to R

2013-04-30 Thread Emily Reyn
Dear Doctor:  Oh dear, Oh dear.  I'm in pain, doctor, in pain.  I'm feeling 
psychologically surreal.  Can I get a pill for this?  To make the feeling go 
away doctor, not to make it worse (just to say).   

Now, I was pleasantly writing up a short anthology of sorts and suddenly fell 
to the floor, speaking in tongues.  Oh dear, Oh dear.  

I must retire tonight to my man cave to meditate, but can you call in a 
prescription for something to the local pharmacy?

Sincerely, Emerson




 From: doctordumb...@rocketmail.com doctordumb...@rocketmail.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2013 8:04 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: J gets another fact wrong and S apologizes to R
 


  
Hey Curtis, thanks for hanging in there - seriously. Beyond my basic principle 
of each of us owning both our own shit, and our own gold, this conversation 
has taken some really interesting turns. Very polarized, and polarizing at 
times, but worth it. I like what I am learning about everyone, including 
myself. 

And Em, and Share, your interaction has been awesome! I like it. Reality 
speaks, and in so many voices here. I hope I sound neither voyeuristic or 
preachy, I just enjoy the fuck out of an honest conversation. 

Judy, keeping that barge chugging up river, though nightfall's a comin', while 
Ann plays harmonica, and R. Dog strums the banjo on deck. Spot on compass 
heading, and easily overlooked.

I'll settle back now, into my rocking chair, and listen some more. Regards,

Doctor Dumbass -- 
[By appointment only. Specializing in hair re-growth on foot soles, and the 
portion of the outer ear canal, known as Herpes Bathtub. Also treating 
extensive cheese allergies.]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues 
curtisdeltablues@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues 
  curtisdeltablues@ wrote:
  
   I don't suppose you ever saw the first Terminator movie Share,
  
  Third Terminator movie. But we're just talkin' here, no
  need to be factual.
  
   but this is what you are dealing with:
   
   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vCLeV7PfJs
   
   I object to being refereed to as a Robin-hater as if
   that term sums up the hours of interaction I had with
   the guy, or explains my more nuanced view of him now.
  
  More nuanced view--that gave me a belly laugh, Curtis,
  thanks.
 
 Right because you know my feelings better from what I have written here than 
 I would know about myself, the Judy premise.
 
 I don't hate Robin, I found him very unpleasant when he got on his critical 
 routine full time.  Your constantly harshly negative take on my interactions 
 with Robin show that you don't really give a shit about the guy beyond his 
 usefulness for your little vendettas here.
 
 You paint a picture of our relationship as me duping his as a poor sap and 
 then me making him a victim.  This is not my view at all.
 
 You can't stop yourself from endlessly harping on Share's use of a phrase 
 that would be long forgotten if not for your efforts to keep it alive.
 
 I know one other guy who is not fooled by your routine.  I would bet on it.
 
 
  Sorta like using non complimentary feeling
  to refer to Share's accusation of psychological rape.
  Not to mention that oh-so-nuanced blue streak of
  especially hateful falsehoods you unloaded concerning
  those interactions after your most recent clash with
  Robin.
 
 
 Again, the Judy assumption that her view of my experience with Robin should 
 supersede my actual experience of it. Judy knows what REALLY happened 
 between Robin and me even though both of us have struggled with really 
 figuring out why things went South.
 
 And surprise, in Judy's jaundiced view, it was all MY fault and poor Robin 
 was just a victim.
 
  
   But it is worthy of note that the people who did find
   some resonance with Share's term did share the
   experience of being at the business end of Robin's I
   WILL improve you whether you like it or not shotgun.
  
  Notice that Curtis does not add more than a quarter of a
  century ago (for all but Curtis).
 
 And the time factor would matter how if he is running the same game now, 
 which led to the agreement? 
 
  Notice also the subtle
  use of shotgun as a metaphor to convey violent coercion
  (he strongly objected to Robin using metaphors of physical
  conflict in their discussions, BTW). Curtis doesn't miss
  a trick. And the characterization in quotes is made as if
  it were definitive and invulnerable to challenge (it's 
  neither, but that's another can of worms).
  
   I am cutting out everything else from this post and would
   like to remind the people trying to help Robin's online
   image, it is repetition that floods the search engines.
   What you have accomplished by this massive foot print link
   of his name and this term is to make it impossible for
   anyone

[FairfieldLife] Re: J gets another fact wrong and S apologizes to R

2013-04-30 Thread raunchydog


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... no_reply@... wrote:

 Hey Curtis, thanks for hanging in there - seriously. Beyond my basic 
 principle of each of us owning both our own shit, and our own gold, this 
 conversation has taken some really interesting turns. Very polarized, and 
 polarizing at times, but worth it. I like what I am learning about everyone, 
 including myself. 
 
 And Em, and Share, your interaction has been awesome! I like it. Reality 
 speaks, and in so many voices here. I hope I sound neither voyeuristic or 
 preachy, I just enjoy the fuck out of an honest conversation. 
 
 Judy, keeping that barge chugging up river, though nightfall's a comin', 
 while Ann plays harmonica, and R. Dog strums the banjo on deck. Spot on 
 compass heading, and easily overlooked.
 

http://youtu.be/SleYHOcLjOg

 I'll settle back now, into my rocking chair, and listen some more. Regards,
  
 Doctor Dumbass -- 
 [By appointment only. Specializing in hair re-growth on foot soles, and the 
 portion of the outer ear canal, known as Herpes Bathtub. Also treating 
 extensive cheese allergies.]
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ 
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues 
   curtisdeltablues@ wrote:
   
I don't suppose you ever saw the first Terminator movie Share,
   
   Third Terminator movie. But we're just talkin' here, no
   need to be factual.
   
but this is what you are dealing with:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vCLeV7PfJs

I object to being refereed to as a Robin-hater as if
that term sums up the hours of interaction I had with
the guy, or explains my more nuanced view of him now.
   
   More nuanced view--that gave me a belly laugh, Curtis,
   thanks.
  
  Right because you know my feelings better from what I have written here 
  than I would know about myself, the Judy premise.
  
  I don't hate Robin, I found him very unpleasant when he got on his critical 
  routine full time.  Your constantly harshly negative take on my 
  interactions with Robin show that you don't really give a shit about the 
  guy beyond his usefulness for your little vendettas here.
  
  You paint a picture of our relationship as me duping his as a poor sap and 
  then me making him a victim.  This is not my view at all.
  
  You can't stop yourself from endlessly harping on Share's use of a phrase 
  that would be long forgotten if not for your efforts to keep it alive.
  
  I know one other guy who is not fooled by your routine.  I would bet on it.
  
  
   Sorta like using non complimentary feeling
   to refer to Share's accusation of psychological rape.
   Not to mention that oh-so-nuanced blue streak of
   especially hateful falsehoods you unloaded concerning
   those interactions after your most recent clash with
   Robin.
  
  
  Again, the Judy assumption that her view of my experience with Robin should 
  supersede my actual experience of it. Judy knows what REALLY happened 
  between Robin and me even though both of us have struggled with really 
  figuring out why things went South.
  
  And surprise, in Judy's jaundiced view, it was all MY fault and poor Robin 
  was just a victim.
  
   
But it is worthy of note that the people who did find
some resonance with Share's term did share the
experience of being at the business end of Robin's I
WILL improve you whether you like it or not shotgun.
   
   Notice that Curtis does not add more than a quarter of a
   century ago (for all but Curtis).
  
  And the time factor would matter how if he is running the same game now, 
  which led to the agreement?  
  
   Notice also the subtle
   use of shotgun as a metaphor to convey violent coercion
   (he strongly objected to Robin using metaphors of physical
   conflict in their discussions, BTW). Curtis doesn't miss
   a trick. And the characterization in quotes is made as if
   it were definitive and invulnerable to challenge (it's 
   neither, but that's another can of worms).
   
I am cutting out everything else from this post and would
like to remind the people trying to help Robin's online
image, it is repetition that floods the search engines.
What you have accomplished by this massive foot print link
of his name and this term is to make it impossible for
anyone to get to the bottom of this discussion, even if 
miraculously Share rolled over and said whatever it is that
she is supposed to say to satisfy you. (My suspicion is
that no such words exist.)
   
   I retract my accusation that Robin psychologically
   raped me are the words from Share that would satisfy
   *me*.
  
  And she hasn't felt a desire to retract them.  So you have been badgering 
  her nonstop for months to try to get her to do so beyond all reason and 
  beyond what is consistent with your stated goal of 

[FairfieldLife] Re: J gets another fact wrong and S apologizes to R

2013-04-30 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues 
  curtisdeltablues@ wrote:
  
   I don't suppose you ever saw the first Terminator movie Share,
  
  Third Terminator movie. But we're just talkin' here, no
  need to be factual.
  
   but this is what you are dealing with:
   
   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vCLeV7PfJs
   
   I object to being refereed to as a Robin-hater as if
   that term sums up the hours of interaction I had with
   the guy, or explains my more nuanced view of him now.
  
  More nuanced view--that gave me a belly laugh, Curtis,
  thanks.
 
 Right because you know my feelings better from what I have
 written here than I would know about myself, the Judy premise.

Yes, as I told you, Curtis, I do trust my sense of your
feelings more than I trust your *reports* of your feelings.

 I don't hate Robin, I found him very unpleasant when he
 got on his critical routine full time.

And you've been doing your damndest to punish him for
it ever since.

 Your constantly harshly negative take on my interactions
 with Robin show that you don't really give a shit about
 the guy beyond his usefulness for your little vendettas here.

Horse pucky. That doesn't even make sense. If anything,
it would be the reverse: the more of a shit I gave about
him, the tougher I'd be on you.

 You paint a picture of our relationship as me duping his
 as a poor sap and then me making him a victim.  This is
 not my view at all.

Oh, but you forgot, that's *Robin's* picture of your
relationship. I even quoted it to you a week or so
ago.

 You can't stop yourself from endlessly harping on Share's
 use of a phrase that would be long forgotten if not for your
 efforts to keep it alive.

Wrong on both counts.

 I know one other guy who is not fooled by your routine. I
 would bet on it.

I'm sure there's at least one other guy who thinks I'm
running some deceptive routine. But I wouldn't risk any
bucks betting on your candidate, if I were you.

  Sorta like using non complimentary feeling
  to refer to Share's accusation of psychological rape.
  Not to mention that oh-so-nuanced blue streak of
  especially hateful falsehoods you unloaded concerning
  those interactions after your most recent clash with
  Robin.

 Again, the Judy assumption that her view of my experience
 with Robin should supersede my actual experience of it.
 Judy knows what REALLY happened between Robin and me even
 though both of us have struggled with really figuring out
 why things went South.

And now Curtis begins to get heavily into his lying routine.

First lie: I never said I knew what really happened between
you and Robin. I said I knew what *did not* happen.

Second lie: In your post to Barry, you were not struggling
to figure out why things went south. You were *telling*
Barry (and the rest of us) why things went south.

Except that this is *not* why they went south. At best,
it's your *fantasy* of why they went south, but sadly,
there isn't any evidence in the posts that your fantasy
bears any relationship to reality.

At worst, what you told Barry about why things went
south was something you dreamed up for the occasion to
make Robin look bad because you were particularly pissed
off at him for what he said about you in the clash that
had just ended.

 And surprise, in Judy's jaundiced view, it was all MY
 fault and poor Robin was just a victim.

Again, remember Robin's post that I quoted to you. He
very definitely felt you had victimized him, but he
blamed himself for being naive and trusting.

   But it is worthy of note that the people who did find
   some resonance with Share's term did share the
   experience of being at the business end of Robin's I
   WILL improve you whether you like it or not shotgun.
  
  Notice that Curtis does not add more than a quarter of a
  century ago (for all but Curtis).
 
 And the time factor would matter how if he is running the
 same game now, which led to the agreement?

The length of time makes it less likely that they're
remembering accurately, of course. And the likelihood
of his running the same game now after a quarter of a
century of repenting of what he had been doing with his
group is *extremely* low.

  Notice also the subtle
  use of shotgun as a metaphor to convey violent coercion
  (he strongly objected to Robin using metaphors of physical
  conflict in their discussions, BTW). Curtis doesn't miss
  a trick. And the characterization in quotes is made as if
  it were definitive and invulnerable to challenge (it's 
  neither, but that's another can of worms).
  
   I am cutting out everything else from this post and would
   like to remind the people trying to help Robin's online
   image, it is repetition that floods the search engines.
   What you have accomplished by this massive foot print link
   of his name and this term is 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: J gets another fact wrong and S apologizes to R

2013-04-29 Thread Share Long
Ok, Judy, apologies accepted, thank you.  Moving on, you think I was wrong when 
I said psychologically raped to Robin.  I think I was emotionally upset, as 
well as overwhelmed by many other inputs.  I think I was lacking in 
psychological development.  I think I was lacking in certain communication 
skills. 

Nonetheless I think my POV is more accurate and inclusive of the whole truth 
than yours.  And my inner Xeno is smiling wryly about that.    

My statements on and about Sept 6 were all genuine expressions of how I was 
feeling when I wrote them.  Even now I assess those posts as accurately 
reporting that I was very upset with Robin and also giving him the benefit of 
the doubt because I wanted to see if there was a way to continue being friends. 
 It is true that I was experiencing a mix and range of physical and emotional 
states from grumpiness to feeling psychologically raped.  

Mix and range of inner experiences is something humans experience.  Though 
evidently not all humans recognize this fact.    

In addition, every time Xeno, Curtis, Steve, feste and others write about this, 
their clarity and greater objectivity has helped me understand what was often 
subjective and emotionally challenging for me.  So I am grateful to them all 
for helping me find the words to understand events and individuals that I'm 
still trying to understand.  And I continue to incorporate their understandings 
and wordings into my thinking and writing about it.  EMILY, take note, my 
incorporating of the insights of others will continue to happen.

Judy, it's not that I keep going lower and lower.  It's that your assessment of 
your POV keeps going higher and higher.  Indicating only that it's all relative.

As for your concern about Robin's reputation, as one poster recently said here, 
what I said was a blip on the screen in comparison to Robin's own posts.  I'd 
add that the postings of many of his supporters also affects his reputation 
negatively, as difficult as that might be for them to acknowledge.  

Reasonable people everywhere will consider all that is pertinent.  Or maybe 
ignore the whole thing.  Beyond that it is the workings of karma.



 From: authfriend authfri...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2013 10:10 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: J gets another fact wrong and S apologizes to R
 


  
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote:

 Poor archives, still being selectively eschewed by Judy.
 Correcting Judy:  I joined FFL in May 2012 and Robin
 rejoined in June 2012.

You are absolutely right, my mistake, and my apologies.

Robin *first* joined FFL in June 2011, left in January
2012, and returned in June. You joined in May 2012,
as you say. Apparently I conflated the two June dates.
I should have double-checked.

However, my point stands: You were not new either to FFL
or to Robin at the time he made the remarks that you
decided four weeks later constituted psychological rape.
You had been on FFL for three-and-a-half months, and your
conversations with Robin had begun in early July, two
months previously.

  Aren't you all glad I straightened THAT out?!  Dear Robin, practicing just 
in case:  please forgive me for not joining FFL in the same month as you did 
thus rendering Judy a LIAR.  I hope you can understand.  Shalom and all the 
best always, Share
 PS  May I take this opportunity to wish you Happy Birthday a few days early? 



 

[FairfieldLife] Re: J gets another fact wrong and S apologizes to R

2013-04-29 Thread curtisdeltablues
Nice post Share.  I'm sure Robin will be along with his apologies for making 
you feel as though the phrase was the best way to express it.

Oddly enough the committee giving lip-service to defending Robin's honor have 
dragged out the discussion 777 months now, making it a MUCH bigger part of 
Robin's online legacy than it would have been if they had just brought up their 
objections and then DROPPED it.  

But their desire to get you to say uncle was too strong, so they ended up 
shredding the doggy pull toy they claimed they were protecting.  The chances 
that this term will be found by anyone looking up Robin are now EXPONENTIALLY 
bigger through their diligence.  I'm sure he appreciates their HELP!

On the other hand, as you mentioned, this will probably not be the thing that 
swings their vote in one direction or another about the guy.




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote:

 Ok, Judy, apologies accepted, thank you.  Moving on, you think I was wrong 
 when I said psychologically raped to Robin.  I think I was emotionally 
 upset, as well as overwhelmed by many other inputs.  I think I was lacking 
 in psychological development.  I think I was lacking in certain 
 communication skills. 
 
 Nonetheless I think my POV is more accurate and inclusive of the whole truth 
 than yours.  And my inner Xeno is smiling wryly about that.    
 
 My statements on and about Sept 6 were all genuine expressions of how I was 
 feeling when I wrote them.  Even now I assess those posts as accurately 
 reporting that I was very upset with Robin and also giving him the benefit of 
 the doubt because I wanted to see if there was a way to continue being 
 friends.  It is true that I was experiencing a mix and range of physical and 
 emotional states from grumpiness to feeling psychologically raped.  
 
 Mix and range of inner experiences is something humans experience.  Though 
 evidently not all humans recognize this fact.    
 
 In addition, every time Xeno, Curtis, Steve, feste and others write about 
 this, their clarity and greater objectivity has helped me understand what was 
 often subjective and emotionally challenging for me.  So I am grateful to 
 them all for helping me find the words to understand events and individuals 
 that I'm still trying to understand.  And I continue to incorporate their 
 understandings and wordings into my thinking and writing about it.  EMILY, 
 take note, my incorporating of the insights of others will continue to happen.
 
 Judy, it's not that I keep going lower and lower.  It's that your assessment 
 of your POV keeps going higher and higher.  Indicating only that it's all 
 relative.
 
 As for your concern about Robin's reputation, as one poster recently said 
 here, what I said was a blip on the screen in comparison to Robin's own 
 posts.  I'd add that the postings of many of his supporters also affects his 
 reputation negatively, as difficult as that might be for them to 
 acknowledge.  
 
 Reasonable people everywhere will consider all that is pertinent.  Or maybe 
 ignore the whole thing.  Beyond that it is the workings of karma.
 
 
 
  From: authfriend authfriend@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2013 10:10 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: J gets another fact wrong and S apologizes to R
  
 
 
   
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote:
 
  Poor archives, still being selectively eschewed by Judy.
  Correcting Judy:  I joined FFL in May 2012 and Robin
  rejoined in June 2012.
 
 You are absolutely right, my mistake, and my apologies.
 
 Robin *first* joined FFL in June 2011, left in January
 2012, and returned in June. You joined in May 2012,
 as you say. Apparently I conflated the two June dates.
 I should have double-checked.
 
 However, my point stands: You were not new either to FFL
 or to Robin at the time he made the remarks that you
 decided four weeks later constituted psychological rape.
 You had been on FFL for three-and-a-half months, and your
 conversations with Robin had begun in early July, two
 months previously.
 
   Aren't you all glad I straightened THAT out?!  Dear Robin, practicing 
 just in case:  please forgive me for not joining FFL in the same month as 
 you did thus rendering Judy a LIAR.  I hope you can understand.  Shalom 
 and all the best always, Share
  PS  May I take this opportunity to wish you Happy Birthday a few days 
  early? 
 





Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: J gets another fact wrong and S apologizes to R

2013-04-29 Thread Share Long
Curtis, when I'm rushing in the early morning, I save your posts for reading 
later.  Why?  Because just reading them makes me settle down and feel more 
reasonable and therefore happier.  Now that I think of it, this is IMO the 
highest compliment I can give to a writer.  And just now I recognize that such 
writing here on FFL has evoked in me the desire to be exactly this kind of 
writer.  Hope that's not too mushy.


It's strange is it not that we both have these threads going on about the R 
word?!  Hmmm, let us ponder which group is common to both those threads.  Let 
us ponder...never mind!


It'll be eight months on May 6!  Unbelievable!  And with a threat that it will 
continue.  But with today's post I think I've answered all of Judy's continuing 
concerns so maybe she will drop it now and or go badger Robin about it.  


And that there last sentence is probably my most deluded thought of all.




 From: curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 10:21 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: J gets another fact wrong and S apologizes to R
 


  
Nice post Share.  I'm sure Robin will be along with his apologies for making 
you feel as though the phrase was the best way to express it.

Oddly enough the committee giving lip-service to defending Robin's honor have 
dragged out the discussion 777 months now, making it a MUCH bigger part of 
Robin's online legacy than it would have been if they had just brought up their 
objections and then DROPPED it. 

But their desire to get you to say uncle was too strong, so they ended up 
shredding the doggy pull toy they claimed they were protecting.  The chances 
that this term will be found by anyone looking up Robin are now EXPONENTIALLY 
bigger through their diligence.  I'm sure he appreciates their HELP!

On the other hand, as you mentioned, this will probably not be the thing that 
swings their vote in one direction or another about the guy.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote:

 Ok, Judy, apologies accepted, thank you.  Moving on, you think I was wrong 
 when I said psychologically raped to Robin.  I think I was emotionally 
 upset, as well as overwhelmed by many other inputs.  I think I was lacking 
 in psychological development.  I think I was lacking in certain 
 communication skills. 
 
 Nonetheless I think my POV is more accurate and inclusive of the whole truth 
 than yours.  And my inner Xeno is smiling wryly about that.    
 
 My statements on and about Sept 6 were all genuine expressions of how I was 
 feeling when I wrote them.  Even now I assess those posts as accurately 
 reporting that I was very upset with Robin and also giving him the benefit of 
 the doubt because I wanted to see if there was a way to continue being 
 friends.  It is true that I was experiencing a mix and range of physical and 
 emotional states from grumpiness to feeling psychologically raped.  
 
 Mix and range of inner experiences is something humans experience.  Though 
 evidently not all humans recognize this fact.    
 
 In addition, every time Xeno, Curtis, Steve, feste and others write about 
 this, their clarity and greater objectivity has helped me understand what was 
 often subjective and emotionally challenging for me.  So I am grateful to 
 them all for helping me find the words to understand events and individuals 
 that I'm still trying to understand.  And I continue to incorporate their 
 understandings and wordings into my thinking and writing about it.  EMILY, 
 take note, my incorporating of the insights of others will continue to happen.
 
 Judy, it's not that I keep going lower and lower.  It's that your assessment 
 of your POV keeps going higher and higher.  Indicating only that it's all 
 relative.
 
 As for your concern about Robin's reputation, as one poster recently said 
 here, what I said was a blip on the screen in comparison to Robin's own 
 posts.  I'd add that the postings of many of his supporters also affects his 
 reputation negatively, as difficult as that might be for them to 
 acknowledge.  
 
 Reasonable people everywhere will consider all that is pertinent.  Or maybe 
 ignore the whole thing.  Beyond that it is the workings of karma.
 
 
 
  From: authfriend authfriend@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2013 10:10 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: J gets another fact wrong and S apologizes to R
 
 
 
   
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote:
 
  Poor archives, still being selectively eschewed by Judy.
  Correcting Judy:  I joined FFL in May 2012 and Robin
  rejoined in June 2012.
 
 You are absolutely right, my mistake, and my apologies.
 
 Robin *first* joined FFL in June 2011, left in January
 2012, and returned in June. You joined in May 2012,
 as you say. Apparently I conflated the two

[FairfieldLife] Re: J gets another fact wrong and S apologizes to R

2013-04-29 Thread emilymae.reyn
Share, Share, Share.I hesitate to weigh in here, but if you think the post 
below by Curtis is an example of his fine writing I don't know what to tell 
you.  This is just a comment from him supporting an us and them 
interpretation on your part, which you are apparently loving as it supports an 
approach you've used over and over - indicating very black and white thinking, 
IMHO.  Curtis can and has put forth some fine writing, no doubt, but this is 
not it.  

It's not about Robin Share - it's about you.  It's not about Robin's 
supporters (us and them again), it's about what you said and encouraging you 
to examine why you used a term that you still have yet to define in a way that 
supports your continued use of the term or what you posted at the time in 
question.  Curiously, and I continue to ask this of you, although I know you 
aren't going to do it, can you post a definition of the term that correctly 
reflects how you were actually feeling initially and how you were feeling after 
your experience with Robin settled in more definitively - a few weeks later?  

You now say  you were experiencing a range of emotions from grumpiness to 
psychological rape.  That doesn't make any logical sense either as it is highly 
unlikely you would emotionally maintain such a range *in the moment* and your 
post indicates only the former.  The latter feeling (which was what exactly) 
would supersede.   

O.K.  It is *your* experience Share, of that only you *know.*  But you have yet 
to explain what it was in terms that even come close to use of the term 
psychological rape and your posts simply don't reflect it.  You now say you 
were emotionally upset and overwhelmed and lacking psychological development.  
Are you trying to say that you used the term in error because of your internal 
landscape at the time?  You say your POV is accurate - SHARE, WHAT IS YOUR 
POINT OF VIEW ON YOUR USE OF THE TERM AT THE TIME YOU USED IT.  HOW ARE YOU 
DEFINING IT WITHIN YOURSELF.  FROM AN IDEAS PERSPECTIVE, DEFINING THE TERM IS 
KEY TO YOUR UNDERSTANDING OF WHETHER IT MIGHT OR MIGHT NOT HAVE BEEN THE 
CORRECT TERM TO USE.  WHY WON'T YOU PUT FORTH AN EXPLANATION OF THIS?  IF YOU 
INCORPORATE FEEDBACK AND FIND THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE ERRED, WHY IS A RETRACTION 
SUCH A LOATHSOME THING TO DO?  

Retraction can be a very useful thing.  Here, I'll  do one for you now.  For 
the record, I retract my entire paragraph speaking to cultural context of the 
Roustabout song.  I had done no research when I wrote that paragraph and other 
than the idea that cultural context is important in understanding lyrics, the 
paragraph is garbage and was written quickly with no clear thought process 
behind it.  My apologies to raunchy for posting that back to her in response to 
the discussion that was unfolding.  It was representative of a thought process 
that was unfolding in my head and was not germane to question of whether the 
lyrics were describing a gang rape or consensual meeting in the pines.  

You may not choose to retract your statement.  But in consideration to the time 
and effort that many have spent asking you to explain why you used it - you 
have still not done this.  Until I understand what you mean by that term and 
how you are defining it for yourself, what is the point of anything that you 
are writing to attempt to resolve the issue?  

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote:

 Curtis, when I'm rushing in the early morning, I save your posts for reading 
 later.  Why?  Because just reading them makes me settle down and feel more 
 reasonable and therefore happier.  Now that I think of it, this is IMO the 
 highest compliment I can give to a writer.  And just now I recognize that 
 such writing here on FFL has evoked in me the desire to be exactly this kind 
 of writer.  Hope that's not too mushy.
 
 
 It's strange is it not that we both have these threads going on about the R 
 word?!  Hmmm, let us ponder which group is common to both those threads.  
 Let us ponder...never mind!
 
 
 It'll be eight months on May 6!  Unbelievable!  And with a threat that it 
 will continue.  But with today's post I think I've answered all of Judy's 
 continuing concerns so maybe she will drop it now and or go badger Robin 
 about it.  
 
 
 And that there last sentence is probably my most deluded thought of all.
 
 
 
 
  From: curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 10:21 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: J gets another fact wrong and S apologizes to R
  
 
 
   
 Nice post Share.  I'm sure Robin will be along with his apologies for making 
 you feel as though the phrase was the best way to express it.
 
 Oddly enough the committee giving lip-service to defending Robin's honor have 
 dragged out the discussion 777 months now, making it a MUCH bigger part of 
 Robin's online legacy than it would have been

[FairfieldLife] Re: J gets another fact wrong and S apologizes to R

2013-04-29 Thread doctordumbass
 
  Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 10:21 AM
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: J gets another fact wrong and S apologizes to R
   
  
  
    
  Nice post Share.  I'm sure Robin will be along with his apologies for 
  making you feel as though the phrase was the best way to express it.
  
  Oddly enough the committee giving lip-service to defending Robin's honor 
  have dragged out the discussion 777 months now, making it a MUCH bigger 
  part of Robin's online legacy than it would have been if they had just 
  brought up their objections and then DROPPED it. 
  
  But their desire to get you to say uncle was too strong, so they ended up 
  shredding the doggy pull toy they claimed they were protecting.  The 
  chances that this term will be found by anyone looking up Robin are now 
  EXPONENTIALLY bigger through their diligence.  I'm sure he appreciates 
  their HELP!
  
  On the other hand, as you mentioned, this will probably not be the thing 
  that swings their vote in one direction or another about the guy.
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote:
  
   Ok, Judy, apologies accepted, thank you.  Moving on, you think I was 
   wrong when I said psychologically raped to Robin.  I think I was 
   emotionally upset, as well as overwhelmed by many other inputs.  I 
   think I was lacking in psychological development.  I think I was 
   lacking in certain communication skills. 
   
   Nonetheless I think my POV is more accurate and inclusive of the whole 
   truth than yours.  And my inner Xeno is smiling wryly about that.  
     
   
   My statements on and about Sept 6 were all genuine expressions of how I 
   was feeling when I wrote them.  Even now I assess those posts as 
   accurately reporting that I was very upset with Robin and also giving him 
   the benefit of the doubt because I wanted to see if there was a way to 
   continue being friends.  It is true that I was experiencing a mix and 
   range of physical and emotional states from grumpiness to feeling 
   psychologically raped.  
   
   Mix and range of inner experiences is something humans experience.  
   Though evidently not all humans recognize this fact.    
   
   In addition, every time Xeno, Curtis, Steve, feste and others write about 
   this, their clarity and greater objectivity has helped me understand what 
   was often subjective and emotionally challenging for me.  So I am 
   grateful to them all for helping me find the words to understand events 
   and individuals that I'm still trying to understand.  And I continue 
   to incorporate their understandings and wordings into my thinking and 
   writing about it.  EMILY, take note, my incorporating of the insights 
   of others will continue to happen.
   
   Judy, it's not that I keep going lower and lower.  It's that your 
   assessment of your POV keeps going higher and higher.  Indicating only 
   that it's all relative.
   
   As for your concern about Robin's reputation, as one poster recently said 
   here, what I said was a blip on the screen in comparison to Robin's own 
   posts.  I'd add that the postings of many of his supporters also 
   affects his reputation negatively, as difficult as that might be for them 
   to acknowledge.  
   
   Reasonable people everywhere will consider all that is pertinent.  Or 
   maybe ignore the whole thing.  Beyond that it is the workings of karma.
   
   
   
From: authfriend authfriend@
   To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
   Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2013 10:10 AM
   Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: J gets another fact wrong and S apologizes 
   to R
   
   
   
     
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote:
   
Poor archives, still being selectively eschewed by Judy.
Correcting Judy:  I joined FFL in May 2012 and Robin
rejoined in June 2012.
   
   You are absolutely right, my mistake, and my apologies.
   
   Robin *first* joined FFL in June 2011, left in January
   2012, and returned in June. You joined in May 2012,
   as you say. Apparently I conflated the two June dates.
   I should have double-checked.
   
   However, my point stands: You were not new either to FFL
   or to Robin at the time he made the remarks that you
   decided four weeks later constituted psychological rape.
   You had been on FFL for three-and-a-half months, and your
   conversations with Robin had begun in early July, two
   months previously.
   
     Aren't you all glad I straightened THAT out?!  Dear Robin, 
   practicing just in case:  please forgive me for not joining FFL in 
   the same month as you did thus rendering Judy a LIAR.  I hope you can 
   understand.  Shalom and all the best always, Share
PS  May I take this opportunity to wish you Happy Birthday a few 
days early? 
   
  
 





[FairfieldLife] Re: J gets another fact wrong and S apologizes to R

2013-04-29 Thread curtisdeltablues
 is common to both those threads.  
  Let us ponder...never mind!
  
  
  It'll be eight months on May 6!  Unbelievable!  And with a threat that it 
  will continue.  But with today's post I think I've answered all of Judy's 
  continuing concerns so maybe she will drop it now and or go badger Robin 
  about it.  
  
  
  And that there last sentence is probably my most deluded thought of all.
  
  
  
  
   From: curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 10:21 AM
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: J gets another fact wrong and S apologizes to R
   
  
  
    
  Nice post Share.  I'm sure Robin will be along with his apologies for 
  making you feel as though the phrase was the best way to express it.
  
  Oddly enough the committee giving lip-service to defending Robin's honor 
  have dragged out the discussion 777 months now, making it a MUCH bigger 
  part of Robin's online legacy than it would have been if they had just 
  brought up their objections and then DROPPED it. 
  
  But their desire to get you to say uncle was too strong, so they ended up 
  shredding the doggy pull toy they claimed they were protecting.  The 
  chances that this term will be found by anyone looking up Robin are now 
  EXPONENTIALLY bigger through their diligence.  I'm sure he appreciates 
  their HELP!
  
  On the other hand, as you mentioned, this will probably not be the thing 
  that swings their vote in one direction or another about the guy.
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote:
  
   Ok, Judy, apologies accepted, thank you.  Moving on, you think I was 
   wrong when I said psychologically raped to Robin.  I think I was 
   emotionally upset, as well as overwhelmed by many other inputs.  I 
   think I was lacking in psychological development.  I think I was 
   lacking in certain communication skills. 
   
   Nonetheless I think my POV is more accurate and inclusive of the whole 
   truth than yours.  And my inner Xeno is smiling wryly about that.  
     
   
   My statements on and about Sept 6 were all genuine expressions of how I 
   was feeling when I wrote them.  Even now I assess those posts as 
   accurately reporting that I was very upset with Robin and also giving him 
   the benefit of the doubt because I wanted to see if there was a way to 
   continue being friends.  It is true that I was experiencing a mix and 
   range of physical and emotional states from grumpiness to feeling 
   psychologically raped.  
   
   Mix and range of inner experiences is something humans experience.  
   Though evidently not all humans recognize this fact.    
   
   In addition, every time Xeno, Curtis, Steve, feste and others write about 
   this, their clarity and greater objectivity has helped me understand what 
   was often subjective and emotionally challenging for me.  So I am 
   grateful to them all for helping me find the words to understand events 
   and individuals that I'm still trying to understand.  And I continue 
   to incorporate their understandings and wordings into my thinking and 
   writing about it.  EMILY, take note, my incorporating of the insights 
   of others will continue to happen.
   
   Judy, it's not that I keep going lower and lower.  It's that your 
   assessment of your POV keeps going higher and higher.  Indicating only 
   that it's all relative.
   
   As for your concern about Robin's reputation, as one poster recently said 
   here, what I said was a blip on the screen in comparison to Robin's own 
   posts.  I'd add that the postings of many of his supporters also 
   affects his reputation negatively, as difficult as that might be for them 
   to acknowledge.  
   
   Reasonable people everywhere will consider all that is pertinent.  Or 
   maybe ignore the whole thing.  Beyond that it is the workings of karma.
   
   
   
From: authfriend authfriend@
   To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
   Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2013 10:10 AM
   Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: J gets another fact wrong and S apologizes 
   to R
   
   
   
     
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote:
   
Poor archives, still being selectively eschewed by Judy.
Correcting Judy:  I joined FFL in May 2012 and Robin
rejoined in June 2012.
   
   You are absolutely right, my mistake, and my apologies.
   
   Robin *first* joined FFL in June 2011, left in January
   2012, and returned in June. You joined in May 2012,
   as you say. Apparently I conflated the two June dates.
   I should have double-checked.
   
   However, my point stands: You were not new either to FFL
   or to Robin at the time he made the remarks that you
   decided four weeks later constituted psychological rape.
   You had been on FFL for three-and-a-half months, and your

[FairfieldLife] Re: J gets another fact wrong and S apologizes to R

2013-04-29 Thread authfriend
 having folks passionately defend a person
from slander affects their reputation negatively, to the
contrary.

 Reasonable people everywhere will consider all that is
 pertinent.

One can only hope.



  Or maybe ignore the whole thing.  Beyond that it is the workings of karma.
 
 
 
  From: authfriend authfriend@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2013 10:10 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: J gets another fact wrong and S apologizes to R
  
 
 
   
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote:
 
  Poor archives, still being selectively eschewed by Judy.
  Correcting Judy:  I joined FFL in May 2012 and Robin
  rejoined in June 2012.
 
 You are absolutely right, my mistake, and my apologies.
 
 Robin *first* joined FFL in June 2011, left in January
 2012, and returned in June. You joined in May 2012,
 as you say. Apparently I conflated the two June dates.
 I should have double-checked.
 
 However, my point stands: You were not new either to FFL
 or to Robin at the time he made the remarks that you
 decided four weeks later constituted psychological rape.
 You had been on FFL for three-and-a-half months, and your
 conversations with Robin had begun in early July, two
 months previously.
 
   Aren't you all glad I straightened THAT out?!  Dear Robin, practicing 
 just in case:  please forgive me for not joining FFL in the same month as 
 you did thus rendering Judy a LIAR.  I hope you can understand.  Shalom 
 and all the best always, Share
  PS  May I take this opportunity to wish you Happy Birthday a few days 
  early? 
 





[FairfieldLife] Re: J gets another fact wrong and S apologizes to R

2013-04-29 Thread authfriend
 and was written quickly with no clear 
  thought process behind it.  My apologies to raunchy for posting that back 
  to her in response to the discussion that was unfolding.  It was 
  representative of a thought process that was unfolding in my head and was 
  not germane to question of whether the lyrics were describing a gang rape 
  or consensual meeting in the pines.  
  
  You may not choose to retract your statement.  But in consideration to the 
  time and effort that many have spent asking you to explain why you used it 
  - you have still not done this.  Until I understand what you mean by that 
  term and how you are defining it for yourself, what is the point of 
  anything that you are writing to attempt to resolve the issue?  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote:
  
   Curtis, when I'm rushing in the early morning, I save your posts for 
   reading later.  Why?  Because just reading them makes me settle down 
   and feel more reasonable and therefore happier.  Now that I think of it, 
   this is IMO the highest compliment I can give to a writer.  And just now 
   I recognize that such writing here on FFL has evoked in me the desire to 
   be exactly this kind of writer.  Hope that's not too mushy.
   
   
   It's strange is it not that we both have these threads going on about the 
   R word?!  Hmmm, let us ponder which group is common to both those 
   threads.  Let us ponder...never mind!
   
   
   It'll be eight months on May 6!  Unbelievable!  And with a threat that 
   it will continue.  But with today's post I think I've answered all of 
   Judy's continuing concerns so maybe she will drop it now and or go badger 
   Robin about it.  
   
   
   And that there last sentence is probably my most deluded thought of all.
   
   
   
   
From: curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@
   To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
   Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 10:21 AM
   Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: J gets another fact wrong and S apologizes 
   to R

   
   
     
   Nice post Share.  I'm sure Robin will be along with his apologies for 
   making you feel as though the phrase was the best way to express it.
   
   Oddly enough the committee giving lip-service to defending Robin's honor 
   have dragged out the discussion 777 months now, making it a MUCH bigger 
   part of Robin's online legacy than it would have been if they had just 
   brought up their objections and then DROPPED it. 
   
   But their desire to get you to say uncle was too strong, so they ended 
   up shredding the doggy pull toy they claimed they were protecting.  The 
   chances that this term will be found by anyone looking up Robin are now 
   EXPONENTIALLY bigger through their diligence.  I'm sure he appreciates 
   their HELP!
   
   On the other hand, as you mentioned, this will probably not be the thing 
   that swings their vote in one direction or another about the guy.
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote:
   
Ok, Judy, apologies accepted, thank you.  Moving on, you think I was 
wrong when I said psychologically raped to Robin.  I think I was 
emotionally upset, as well as overwhelmed by many other inputs.  I 
think I was lacking in psychological development.  I think I was 
lacking in certain communication skills. 

Nonetheless I think my POV is more accurate and inclusive of the whole 
truth than yours.  And my inner Xeno is smiling wryly about that. 
   

My statements on and about Sept 6 were all genuine expressions of how I 
was feeling when I wrote them.  Even now I assess those posts as 
accurately reporting that I was very upset with Robin and also giving 
him the benefit of the doubt because I wanted to see if there was a way 
to continue being friends.  It is true that I was experiencing a mix 
and range of physical and emotional states from grumpiness to feeling 
psychologically raped.  

Mix and range of inner experiences is something humans experience.  
Though evidently not all humans recognize this fact.    

In addition, every time Xeno, Curtis, Steve, feste and others write 
about this, their clarity and greater objectivity has helped me 
understand what was often subjective and emotionally challenging for 
me.  So I am grateful to them all for helping me find the words to 
understand events and individuals that I'm still trying to 
understand.  And I continue to incorporate their understandings and 
wordings into my thinking and writing about it.  EMILY, take note, 
my incorporating of the insights of others will continue to happen.

Judy, it's not that I keep going lower and lower.  It's that your 
assessment of your POV keeps going higher and higher.  Indicating 
only that it's all relative

[FairfieldLife] Re: J gets another fact wrong and S apologizes to R

2013-04-29 Thread curtisdeltablues
 experiencing a range of emotions from grumpiness 
   to psychological rape.  That doesn't make any logical sense either as it 
   is highly unlikely you would emotionally maintain such a range *in the 
   moment* and your post indicates only the former.  The latter feeling 
   (which was what exactly) would supersede.   
   
   O.K.  It is *your* experience Share, of that only you *know.*  But you 
   have yet to explain what it was in terms that even come close to use of 
   the term psychological rape and your posts simply don't reflect it.  
   You now say you were emotionally upset and overwhelmed and lacking 
   psychological development.  Are you trying to say that you used the term 
   in error because of your internal landscape at the time?  You say your 
   POV is accurate - SHARE, WHAT IS YOUR POINT OF VIEW ON YOUR USE OF THE 
   TERM AT THE TIME YOU USED IT.  HOW ARE YOU DEFINING IT WITHIN YOURSELF.  
   FROM AN IDEAS PERSPECTIVE, DEFINING THE TERM IS KEY TO YOUR UNDERSTANDING 
   OF WHETHER IT MIGHT OR MIGHT NOT HAVE BEEN THE CORRECT TERM TO USE.  WHY 
   WON'T YOU PUT FORTH AN EXPLANATION OF THIS?  IF YOU INCORPORATE FEEDBACK 
   AND FIND THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE ERRED, WHY IS A RETRACTION SUCH A LOATHSOME 
   THING TO DO?  
   
   Retraction can be a very useful thing.  Here, I'll  do one for you now. 
For the record, I retract my entire paragraph speaking to cultural 
   context of the Roustabout song.  I had done no research when I wrote that 
   paragraph and other than the idea that cultural context is important in 
   understanding lyrics, the paragraph is garbage and was written quickly 
   with no clear thought process behind it.  My apologies to raunchy for 
   posting that back to her in response to the discussion that was 
   unfolding.  It was representative of a thought process that was unfolding 
   in my head and was not germane to question of whether the lyrics were 
   describing a gang rape or consensual meeting in the pines.  
   
   You may not choose to retract your statement.  But in consideration to 
   the time and effort that many have spent asking you to explain why you 
   used it - you have still not done this.  Until I understand what you mean 
   by that term and how you are defining it for yourself, what is the point 
   of anything that you are writing to attempt to resolve the issue?  
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote:
   
Curtis, when I'm rushing in the early morning, I save your posts for 
reading later.  Why?  Because just reading them makes me settle down 
and feel more reasonable and therefore happier.  Now that I think of 
it, this is IMO the highest compliment I can give to a writer.  And 
just now I recognize that such writing here on FFL has evoked in me the 
desire to be exactly this kind of writer.  Hope that's not too mushy.


It's strange is it not that we both have these threads going on about 
the R word?!  Hmmm, let us ponder which group is common to both those 
threads.  Let us ponder...never mind!


It'll be eight months on May 6!  Unbelievable!  And with a threat 
that it will continue.  But with today's post I think I've answered 
all of Judy's continuing concerns so maybe she will drop it now and or 
go badger Robin about it.  


And that there last sentence is probably my most deluded thought of all.




 From: curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 10:21 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: J gets another fact wrong and S apologizes 
to R
 


  
Nice post Share.  I'm sure Robin will be along with his apologies for 
making you feel as though the phrase was the best way to express it.

Oddly enough the committee giving lip-service to defending Robin's 
honor have dragged out the discussion 777 months now, making it a MUCH 
bigger part of Robin's online legacy than it would have been if they 
had just brought up their objections and then DROPPED it. 

But their desire to get you to say uncle was too strong, so they 
ended up shredding the doggy pull toy they claimed they were 
protecting.  The chances that this term will be found by anyone looking 
up Robin are now EXPONENTIALLY bigger through their diligence.  I'm 
sure he appreciates their HELP!

On the other hand, as you mentioned, this will probably not be the 
thing that swings their vote in one direction or another about the guy.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote:

 Ok, Judy, apologies accepted, thank you.  Moving on, you think I 
 was wrong when I said psychologically raped to Robin.  I think I 
 was emotionally upset, as well as overwhelmed by many other 
 inputs.  I think I was lacking

[FairfieldLife] Re: J gets another fact wrong and S apologizes to R

2013-04-29 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote:

 Judy wrote: Robin spent 25 years in isolation...Share to
 Judy: my understanding has been that he lived with *Terrence.*

Yes, Share, Robin's told us he lived with his best friend
during those 25 years, many times. What else do you think
I could have meant by isolation?

 Also, Robin has publically mentioned having a therapist.

Irony, snooks.

 And I've assumed that he continued to have contact with his
 family because he posted about wrapping Christmas presents
 back in Dec 12.

Boy, do you ever not get Robin. He didn't post about
wrapping Christmas presents. That was a throwaway line
at the end of a post to Steve.

He's said explicitly that he has no contact with his
family.

 Additionally, back in January 13 Emily mentioned something
 about her * cute cult leader * being on the beach with
 friends.

Right. And you thought she meant Robin?

 However, maybe all these relationships are recent developments.

Or maybe you're very, very confused. Was there some
point you wanted to make?

 I am sure that due to Robin's particular combination of gifts,
 history and challenges, it would be difficult to find others
 to connect with.

He's never had any trouble connecting with folks on FFL.
Except those who are threatened by him, like Barry.

 However, when I've seen how Curtis for example, tries to
 get along with Robin and how Robin responds, at first I'm
 perplexed. And ultimately I think that maybe Robin simply
 can't help himself. He's got to, as you said, push people
 until they become interesting enough to have a conversation
 with!

You weren't here for their conversations starting in June
2011. All you've seen is how they relate to each other
after their initial relationship, which was brilliant and
fascinating, disintegrated. Hostility city. Curtis does not
try to get along with Robin.

And you've typically blown what I said about pushing
people way out of proportion. You don't understand what I
was talking about, and frankly I'm not going to waste time
trying to explain it to you.

 Though I do not put such a casual motivation on Robin's 
 interactions. I think he feels compelled to help people
 be closer to reality. Whether they want his help or not!

If I were you, I would stop trying to figure Robin out.

 Anyway, many FFL people have expressed how they enjoy
 Robin's presence here. But that doesn't mean that we're
 willing to let him, as Curtis says, run his number on
 us. It's delusional to interpret that to mean that FFL
 has ostracized Robin and such a delusion serves him not
 at all.

Where on *earth* did you get the notion that anybody
said anything remotely like FFL has ostracized Robin??

 When I mentioned the merudanda poem about Robin
 coming to FFL to heal, you countered with that he came to
 FFL to test the healing that had occurred during those
 25 years. That implies to me that his healing was deemed
 done to a good extent if not completely.

Done enough to be ready for a test, yes. Do you find the
concept puzzling?

 In any case, I wasn't here when he first joined FFL in
 June 2011 and I've not scoured those archives so don't
 know why he left then. Nor why he returned if FFL had
 been a painful experience.

I wouldn't even try if I were you, Share.

I guess you aren't going to apologize for falsely calling
me a liar, are you?

 TO EMILY TOO: I think I have clearly answered all concerns
 about Sept 6, Oct 1 and all the times in between.

Unbelievabobble.




[FairfieldLife] Re: J gets another fact wrong and S apologizes to R

2013-04-27 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote:

 Poor archives, still being selectively eschewed by Judy.
 Correcting Judy:  I joined FFL in May 2012 and Robin
 rejoined in June 2012.

You are absolutely right, my mistake, and my apologies.

Robin *first* joined FFL in June 2011, left in January
2012, and returned in June. You joined in May 2012,
as you say. Apparently I conflated the two June dates.
I should have double-checked.

However, my point stands: You were not new either to FFL
or to Robin at the time he made the remarks that you
decided four weeks later constituted psychological rape.
You had been on FFL for three-and-a-half months, and your
conversations with Robin had begun in early July, two
months previously.



  Aren't you all glad I straightened THAT out?!  Dear Robin, practicing just 
in case:  please forgive me for not joining FFL in the same month as you did 
thus rendering Judy a LIAR.  I hope you can understand.  Shalom and all the 
best always, Share
 PS  May I take this opportunity to wish you Happy Birthday a few days early?