[FairfieldLife] Re: J gets another fact wrong and S apologizes to R
Share, I had things to do tonight and won't be getting to the posts I promised you until tomorrow. Try to contain your disappointment. In the meantime, here's this for you: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: If you read what I wrote, Ann, I was not at all attributing the words to you. As I said, Robin used that phrase in reference to you. Let's look at what Robin *actually* said, OK? I am very sensitive to this 'psychological rape' charge, which dogs me (falsely I believe) from my enlightened days (when AWB was around--she was a prime victim). I do not believe it applies to me now, Curtis; I certainly hope it does not. He did not use the phrase psychological rape in direct reference to Ann. She was just a parenthetical, an aside to his main point. He knows she does not consider herself to have been psychologically raped by him 26 years ago, because she's said so here. If he considers himself to have done psychological rape 26 years ago, he no longer does. Bottom line, what he said above is irrelevant to your accusation that he is a psychological rapist, and it's disingenuous of you to try to use it as support for that accusation. It's doubly disingenuous for you to try to use what Ann said as support for that accusation. When you were asked about that, you said you thought he was being both ironic and also acknowledging what you had gone through. Robin could not have been acknowledging something Ann has denied. So you were, in fact, misattributing to her the notion that she had been psychologically raped by Robin. Now how one can know that acknowledging refers back to Robin, is that it is a similar form to the word being which also refers back to Robin. Robin was being ironic and acknowledging... If it was referring back to you then it would have read: Ann said she thought...and acknowledged... Grammar lesson over. Class dismissed! Share will remain behind for an extra lesson on the difference between grammar and semantics. There is only one type of English lesson you are qualified to give, Share, and that's in deliberate semantic twisting, distortion, and obfuscation.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: J gets another fact wrong and S apologizes to R
If you read what I wrote, Ann, I was not at all attributing the words to you. As I said, Robin used that phrase in reference to you. When you were asked about that, you said you thought he was being both ironic and also acknowledging what you had gone through. Now how one can know that acknowledging refers back to Robin, is that it is a similar form to the word being which also refers back to Robin. Robin was being ironic and acknowledging... If it was referring back to you then it would have read: Ann said she thought...and acknowledged... Grammar lesson over. Class dismissed! From: Ann awoelfleba...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2013 5:41 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: J gets another fact wrong and S apologizes to R --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Emily, as you suggested, I googled Robin Carlsen and rape. As did later hits, the first hit contained psychological rape in the title line. It was a post from JUDY. Perhaps that says it all.    IMO you are way off target here. One, I only continue to discuss it because you all continue to badger. Two, I have said what I meant by the term. Three, do you know of a man who has gone to jail for psychological rape?! Four, there were men among those on FFL and off who have validated my use of that term. Recently Robin himself used psychological rape about Ann to Curtis. When I asked about that, Ann said she thought Robin was being both ironic and acknowledging what she went through at the time. Not acknowledging that I experienced psychological rape, dear Share. Re-read that section again about what I wrote. He was, in my opinion, giving a small 'nod' of recognition that I had gone through a lot but I never described or, indeed, would have ever thought of or used that term to describe what I experienced at the end of days for me around WTS. Be very careful how you attribute words to others, in this case myself. Reply via web post Reply to sender Reply to group Start a New Topic Messages in this topic (36) Recent Activity:* New Members 2 * New Photos 1 Visit Your Group To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' MARKETPLACE img width=1 height=1 alt= src=http://us.bc.yahoo.com/b?P=1f7f9332-b1e7-11e2-8da6-d7a71a3ba2b1T=17opjhfhu%2fX%3d1367361699%2fE%3d1705077076%2fR%3dgroups%2fK%3d5%2fV%3d2.1%2fW%3dH%2fY%3dYAHOO%2fF%3d897675092%2fH%3dc2VydmVJZD0iMWY3ZjkzMzItYjFlNy0xMWUyLThkYTYtZDdhNzFhM2JhMmIxIiBzaXRlSWQ9IjQ0NTI1NTEiIHRTdG1wPSIxMzY3MzYxNjk5ODU1NDU4IiA-%2fQ%3d-1%2fS%3d1%2fJ%3d0527C10AU=128ci8r26%2fN%3dS02TOGKL5WM-%2fC%3d-2%2fD%3dMKP1%2fB%3d-2%2fV%3d0;img width=1 height=1 alt= src=http://csc.beap.bc.yahoo.com/yi?bv=1.0.0bs=(132vunq2f(gid$1f7f9332-b1e7-11e2-8da6-d7a71a3ba2b1,st$1367361699855458,si$4452551,sp$1705077076,pv$1,v$2.0))t=J_3-D_3al=(as$1217ifp7l,aid$0n3nBWKL4Mw-,cr$-1,ct$25,at$H,eob$-1) img width=1 height=1 alt= src=http://us.bc.yahoo.com/b?P=1f7f9332-b1e7-11e2-8da6-d7a71a3ba2b1T=17pg6tkgv%2fX%3d1367361699%2fE%3d1705077076%2fR%3dgroups%2fK%3d5%2fV%3d2.1%2fW%3dH%2fY%3dYAHOO%2fF%3d3820359949%2fH%3dc2VydmVJZD0iMWY3ZjkzMzItYjFlNy0xMWUyLThkYTYtZDdhNzFhM2JhMmIxIiBzaXRlSWQ9IjQ0NTI1NTEiIHRTdG1wPSIxMzY3MzYxNjk5ODU1NDU4IiA-%2fQ%3d-1%2fS%3d1%2fJ%3d0527C10AU=128al1mdv%2fN%3dTE2TOGKL5WM-%2fC%3d-2%2fD%3dMKP1%2fB%3d-2%2fV%3d0;img width=1 height=1 alt= src=http://csc.beap.bc.yahoo.com/yi?bv=1.0.0bs=(132vunq2f(gid$1f7f9332-b1e7-11e2-8da6-d7a71a3ba2b1,st$1367361699855458,si$4452551,sp$1705077076,pv$1,v$2.0))t=J_3-D_3al=(as$1215nsl39,aid$QJbnBWKL4Mw-,cr$-1,ct$25,at$H,eob$-1) img width=1 height=1 alt= src=http://us.bc.yahoo.com/b?P=1f7f9332-b1e7-11e2-8da6-d7a71a3ba2b1T=17puafd54%2fX%3d1367361699%2fE%3d1705077076%2fR%3dgroups%2fK%3d5%2fV%3d2.1%2fW%3dH%2fY%3dYAHOO%2fF%3d348880%2fH%3dc2VydmVJZD0iMWY3ZjkzMzItYjFlNy0xMWUyLThkYTYtZDdhNzFhM2JhMmIxIiBzaXRlSWQ9IjQ0NTI1NTEiIHRTdG1wPSIxMzY3MzYxNjk5ODU1NDU4IiA-%2fQ%3d-1%2fS%3d1%2fJ%3d0527C10AU=128ebcgkt%2fN%3dSk2TOGKL5WM-%2fC%3d-2%2fD%3dMKP1%2fB%3d-2%2fV%3d0;img width=1 height=1 alt= src=http://csc.beap.bc.yahoo.com/yi?bv=1.0.0bs=(132vunq2f(gid$1f7f9332-b1e7-11e2-8da6-d7a71a3ba2b1,st$1367361699855458,si$4452551,sp$1705077076,pv$1,v$2.0))t=J_3-D_3al=(as$1217si2ji,aid$rq7nBWKL4Mw-,cr$-1,ct$25,at$H,eob$-1) Switch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest • Unsubscribe • Terms of Use • Send us Feedback .
[FairfieldLife] Re: J gets another fact wrong and S apologizes to R
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: If you read what I wrote, Ann, I was not at all attributing the words to you. As I said, Robin used that phrase in reference to you. When you were asked about that, you said you thought he was being both ironic and also acknowledging what you had gone through.  Now how one can know that acknowledging refers back to Robin, is that it is a similar form to the word being which also refers back to Robin. Robin was being ironic and acknowledging... If it was referring back to you then it would have read: Ann said she thought...and acknowledged... Grammar lesson over. Class dismissed! You are a funny one Share. I told you that for me this subject was basically over. You will never retract your statement about PR. Now why are you continuing to prod me from the other side of the cage? I will get into this with you if that is what you actually want. Do you want me to Share, because so far I have been very reasonable and tame on this subject after you brought it up again about 9 days ago. You asked me what you should do. I told you. Things, for me, were civil. Now that I have moved on you are back with your stick. What do you want? Do you want to continue to bore people here with this or can I, at least, carry on? From: Ann awoelflebater@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2013 5:41 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: J gets another fact wrong and S apologizes to R  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Emily, as you suggested, I googled Robin Carlsen and rape.àAs did later hits, the first hit contained psychological rape in the title line.àIt was a post from JUDY.àPerhaps that says it all.ààààIMO you are way off target here.àOne, I only continue to discuss it because you all continue to badger.àTwo, I have said what I meant by the term.àThree, do you know of a man who has gone to jail for psychological rape?!àFour, there were men among those on FFL and off who have validated my use of that term.àRecently Robin himself used psychological rape about Ann to Curtis.àWhen I asked about that, Ann said she thought Robin was being both ironic and acknowledging what she went through at the time.àNot acknowledging that I experienced psychological rape, dear Share. Re-read that section again about what I wrote. He was, in my opinion, giving a small 'nod' of recognition that I had gone through a lot but I never described or, indeed, would have ever thought of or used that term to describe what I experienced at the end of days for me around WTS. Be very careful how you attribute words to others, in this case myself. Reply via web post Reply to sender Reply to group Start a New Topic Messages in this topic (36) Recent Activity: * New Members 2 * New Photos 1 Visit Your Group To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' MARKETPLACE img width=1 height=1 alt= src=http://us.bc.yahoo.com/b?P=1f7f9332-b1e7-11e2-8da6-d7a71a3ba2b1T=17opjhfhu%2fX%3d1367361699%2fE%3d1705077076%2fR%3dgroups%2fK%3d5%2fV%3d2.1%2fW%3dH%2fY%3dYAHOO%2fF%3d897675092%2fH%3dc2VydmVJZD0iMWY3ZjkzMzItYjFlNy0xMWUyLThkYTYtZDdhNzFhM2JhMmIxIiBzaXRlSWQ9IjQ0NTI1NTEiIHRTdG1wPSIxMzY3MzYxNjk5ODU1NDU4IiA-%2fQ%3d-1%2fS%3d1%2fJ%3d0527C10AU=128ci8r26%2fN%3dS02TOGKL5WM-%2fC%3d-2%2fD%3dMKP1%2fB%3d-2%2fV%3d0;img width=1 height=1 alt= src=http://csc.beap.bc.yahoo.com/yi?bv=1.0.0bs=(132vunq2f(gid$1f7f9332-b1e7-11e2-8da6-d7a71a3ba2b1,st$1367361699855458,si$4452551,sp$1705077076,pv$1,v$2.0))t=J_3-D_3al=(as$1217ifp7l,aid$0n3nBWKL4Mw-,cr$-1,ct$25,at$H,eob$-1) img width=1 height=1 alt= src=http://us.bc.yahoo.com/b?P=1f7f9332-b1e7-11e2-8da6-d7a71a3ba2b1T=17pg6tkgv%2fX%3d1367361699%2fE%3d1705077076%2fR%3dgroups%2fK%3d5%2fV%3d2.1%2fW%3dH%2fY%3dYAHOO%2fF%3d3820359949%2fH%3dc2VydmVJZD0iMWY3ZjkzMzItYjFlNy0xMWUyLThkYTYtZDdhNzFhM2JhMmIxIiBzaXRlSWQ9IjQ0NTI1NTEiIHRTdG1wPSIxMzY3MzYxNjk5ODU1NDU4IiA-%2fQ%3d-1%2fS%3d1%2fJ%3d0527C10AU=128al1mdv%2fN%3dTE2TOGKL5WM-%2fC%3d-2%2fD%3dMKP1%2fB%3d-2%2fV%3d0;img width=1 height=1 alt= src=http://csc.beap.bc.yahoo.com/yi?bv=1.0.0bs=(132vunq2f(gid$1f7f9332-b1e7-11e2-8da6-d7a71a3ba2b1,st$1367361699855458,si$4452551,sp$1705077076,pv$1,v$2.0))t=J_3-D_3al=(as$1215nsl39,aid$QJbnBWKL4Mw-,cr$-1,ct$25,at$H,eob$-1) img width=1 height=1 alt= src=http://us.bc.yahoo.com/b?P=1f7f9332-b1e7-11e2-8da6-d7a71a3ba2b1T=17puafd54%2fX%3d1367361699%2fE%3d1705077076%2fR%3dgroups%2fK%3d5%2fV%3d2.1%2fW%3dH%2fY%3dYAHOO%2fF%3d348880%2fH
[FairfieldLife] Re: J gets another fact wrong and S apologizes to R
Ignoring all the Judy blather on this topic, I will just put it this way: Search yahoo for the combination of references to PS Maskedzebra 24 Authfriend 81 To all Judy's enemies: enjoy your luck. This is how she treats the person she sheds tears over just thinking about badly other people have treated him. Fortunately I caught their unnatural bond on film. I love the part where Judy pets Robin's eyes. He looks like he is really enjoying this: http://www.wimp.com/slothcuddles/
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Awww, the video is adorable. I am spending the day restoring my vibe and priorities to where they need to be, but I'll be back. A good day to FFL. From: curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 1, 2013 6:53 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: J gets another fact wrong and S apologizes to R Ignoring all the Judy blather on this topic, I will just put it this way: Search yahoo for the combination of references to PS Maskedzebra 24 Authfriend 81 To all Judy's enemies: enjoy your luck. This is how she treats the person she sheds tears over just thinking about badly other people have treated him. Fortunately I caught their unnatural bond on film. I love the part where Judy pets Robin's eyes. He looks like he is really enjoying this: http://www.wimp.com/slothcuddles/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: J gets another fact wrong and S apologizes to R
Emily when I said psychologically raped it was spontaneous AND it felt accurate AND I was very upset. Later it was validated by people I trust both on FFL and not. So I don't think there will be a retraction. SIMULTANEOUSLY, I regret that I was not more psychologically developed at the time and didn't have better communication skills. I regret all of my mistakes that such lacks contributed to, especially if they caused Robin distress. OTOH, I only take partial responsibility for the whole mess. Robin IMO gets part of it. And IMO Judy and the Jets get the rest. I have been wondering if one of the reasons Judy et al are so obsessed about what I said, is because it's too painful for them, being the Robin Fundamentalists that they are, to own up to their part in the whole thing. As Curtis noted, using his own words, you all have very much contributed to a cyberspace blip becoming a blimp! Perhaps if you all had not reacted as you did after my psych rape remark, perhaps the former WTS members wouldn't have come forward with stories and whole books! Did you ever consider that? Anyway, about your post just below, my guess is you're like all of us, Emily. Sometimes you care and sometimes you don't but deep down you always do. So I wasn't bothered by what you said but thanks for the apology and explanations. From: Emily Reyn emilymae.r...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 7:31 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: J gets another fact wrong and S apologizes to R Dear Share: Re: It comes across as real fear to me, but you know what Share, I am not your keeper and I really don't care. Again, I wrote this too fast in my rush to step away from the network this morning and get something else done. What the last phrase was supposed to say was .I am not your keeper and I really don't care to be. I do care, Share, about you, and I wish the best for you every day. Alright, time for me to step away from the network again. I'm having to write too many retractions for my own good today. Sincerely, Emily. From: Emily Reyn emilymae.r...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 12:26 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: J gets another fact wrong and S apologizes to R Sorry Share, my mistake. Thanks for noting that. I meant to writeuntil *we* understand I mean all of FFL and that's my opinion on the matter. Not us and them, sweet pea. BTW, there is a direct us and them line/paragraph in the book by Anita Moojani (Dying to be Me) that speaks to a spiritual perspective on that concept specifically using those exact words that I would think you would find interesting. From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 11:59 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: J gets another fact wrong and S apologizes to R TO EMILY TOO: I think I have clearly answered all concerns about Sept 6, Oct 1 and all the times in between. And Emily, what can I say about the last sentence in your post to me this morning except, as you often tell us, it's all about you! Emily to Share: Until I understand what you mean by that term and how you are defining it for yourself, what is the point of anything that you are writing to attempt to resolve the issue? From: authfriend authfri...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 12:34 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: J gets another fact wrong and S apologizes to R Robin spent 25 years in isolation atoning and suffering for the harm he'd done others. Now all of a sudden, out of the blue, he's accused of continuing to inflict the same harm when all he was after was friendship and goodwill. You now say you were experiencing a range of emotions from grumpiness to psychological rape. That doesn't make any logical sense either as it is highly unlikely you would emotionally maintain such a range *in the moment* and your post indicates only the former. The latter feeling (which was what exactly) would supersede. O.K. It is *your* experience Share, of that only you *know.* But you have yet to explain what it was in terms that even come close to use of the term psychological rape and your posts simply don't reflect it. You now say you were emotionally upset and overwhelmed and lacking psychological development. Are you trying to say that you used the term in error because of your internal landscape at the time? You say your POV is accurate - SHARE, WHAT IS YOUR POINT OF VIEW ON YOUR USE OF THE TERM AT THE TIME YOU USED IT. HOW ARE YOU DEFINING IT WITHIN YOURSELF. FROM
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Share, you still haven't defined what it means. In that you experienced it, you should be able to come forth with a definition that reflects your experience. To throw a term like that around like you have while refusing to define it is irresponsible, at the highest level, in my view. It isn't about the rest of it Share, it's about your continued use of a highly accusatory term that you refuse to define. You, Share, not Xeno or me, who have both put forth definitions - mine you rejected. What is yours Share? From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2013 8:27 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: J gets another fact wrong and S apologizes to R Emily when I said psychologically raped it was spontaneous AND it felt accurate AND I was very upset. Later it was validated by people I trust both on FFL and not. So I don't think there will be a retraction. SIMULTANEOUSLY, I regret that I was not more psychologically developed at the time and didn't have better communication skills. I regret all of my mistakes that such lacks contributed to, especially if they caused Robin distress. OTOH, I only take partial responsibility for the whole mess. Robin IMO gets part of it. And IMO Judy and the Jets get the rest. I have been wondering if one of the reasons Judy et al are so obsessed about what I said, is because it's too painful for them, being the Robin Fundamentalists that they are, to own up to their part in the whole thing. As Curtis noted, using his own words, you all have very much contributed to a cyberspace blip becoming a blimp! Perhaps if you all had not reacted as you did after my psych rape remark, perhaps the former WTS members wouldn't have come forward with stories and whole books! Did you ever consider that? Anyway, about your post just below, my guess is you're like all of us, Emily. Sometimes you care and sometimes you don't but deep down you always do. So I wasn't bothered by what you said but thanks for the apology and explanations. From: Emily Reyn emilymae.r...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 7:31 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: J gets another fact wrong and S apologizes to R Dear Share: Re: It comes across as real fear to me, but you know what Share, I am not your keeper and I really don't care. Again, I wrote this too fast in my rush to step away from the network this morning and get something else done. What the last phrase was supposed to say was .I am not your keeper and I really don't care to be. I do care, Share, about you, and I wish the best for you every day. Alright, time for me to step away from the network again. I'm having to write too many retractions for my own good today. Sincerely, Emily. From: Emily Reyn emilymae.r...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 12:26 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: J gets another fact wrong and S apologizes to R Sorry Share, my mistake. Thanks for noting that. I meant to writeuntil *we* understand I mean all of FFL and that's my opinion on the matter. Not us and them, sweet pea. BTW, there is a direct us and them line/paragraph in the book by Anita Moojani (Dying to be Me) that speaks to a spiritual perspective on that concept specifically using those exact words that I would think you would find interesting. From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 11:59 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: J gets another fact wrong and S apologizes to R TO EMILY TOO: I think I have clearly answered all concerns about Sept 6, Oct 1 and all the times in between. And Emily, what can I say about the last sentence in your post to me this morning except, as you often tell us, it's all about you! Emily to Share: Until I understand what you mean by that term and how you are defining it for yourself, what is the point of anything that you are writing to attempt to resolve the issue? From: authfriend authfri...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 12:34 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: J gets another fact wrong and S apologizes to R Robin spent 25 years in isolation atoning and suffering for the harm he'd done others. Now all of a sudden, out of the blue, he's accused of continuing to inflict the same harm when all he was after was friendship and goodwill. You now say you were experiencing a range of emotions from grumpiness to psychological rape. That doesn't make any logical sense either
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Share, how would you feel if I, as a man, accused you of psychological rape and then refused to tell you why. If I put forth this slanderous and highly destructive and damaging term all over the searchable internet and refused to tell you, or anyone else I was communicating with (and there are a lot of people here Share) what I meant by it. From a safe place Share, knowing that no harm will come to me. Knowing that in my world of us and them I have supporters so I don't have to even go it alone. In the larger picture - when a woman accuses a man of rape of any kind - the stakes are high. Many a man has gone to jail and been condemned for an act he did not commit based on a woman's testimony. It's unconscionable Share, positively emotionally sadistic. I could start calling you an emotional sadist. And refuse to discuss it with you Share. Refuse to tell you what I mean by it. Pretend I'm going to stop using the term, like you did, and continue to put it out there over and over and over. Check yourself Share. Check yourself. It's about *you* and your behavior. From: Emily Reyn emilymae.r...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2013 9:35 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: J gets another fact wrong and S apologizes to R Share, you still haven't defined what it means. In that you experienced it, you should be able to come forth with a definition that reflects your experience. To throw a term like that around like you have while refusing to define it is irresponsible, at the highest level, in my view. It isn't about the rest of it Share, it's about your continued use of a highly accusatory term that you refuse to define. You, Share, not Xeno or me, who have both put forth definitions - mine you rejected. What is yours Share? From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2013 8:27 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: J gets another fact wrong and S apologizes to R Emily when I said psychologically raped it was spontaneous AND it felt accurate AND I was very upset. Later it was validated by people I trust both on FFL and not. So I don't think there will be a retraction. SIMULTANEOUSLY, I regret that I was not more psychologically developed at the time and didn't have better communication skills. I regret all of my mistakes that such lacks contributed to, especially if they caused Robin distress. OTOH, I only take partial responsibility for the whole mess. Robin IMO gets part of it. And IMO Judy and the Jets get the rest. I have been wondering if one of the reasons Judy et al are so obsessed about what I said, is because it's too painful for them, being the Robin Fundamentalists that they are, to own up to their part in the whole thing. As Curtis noted, using his own words, you all have very much contributed to a cyberspace blip becoming a blimp! Perhaps if you all had not reacted as you did after my psych rape remark, perhaps the former WTS members wouldn't have come forward with stories and whole books! Did you ever consider that? Anyway, about your post just below, my guess is you're like all of us, Emily. Sometimes you care and sometimes you don't but deep down you always do. So I wasn't bothered by what you said but thanks for the apology and explanations. From: Emily Reyn emilymae.r...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 7:31 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: J gets another fact wrong and S apologizes to R Dear Share: Re: It comes across as real fear to me, but you know what Share, I am not your keeper and I really don't care. Again, I wrote this too fast in my rush to step away from the network this morning and get something else done. What the last phrase was supposed to say was .I am not your keeper and I really don't care to be. I do care, Share, about you, and I wish the best for you every day. Alright, time for me to step away from the network again. I'm having to write too many retractions for my own good today. Sincerely, Emily. From: Emily Reyn emilymae.r...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 12:26 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: J gets another fact wrong and S apologizes to R Sorry Share, my mistake. Thanks for noting that. I meant to writeuntil *we* understand I mean all of FFL and that's my opinion on the matter. Not us and them, sweet pea. BTW, there is a direct us and them line/paragraph in the book by Anita Moojani (Dying to be Me) that speaks to a spiritual perspective on that concept specifically using those exact
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P.S. YOU ARE A PSYCHOLOGICAL SADIST SHARE (PS FOR SHORT). DO A SEARCH ON ROBIN CARLSEN AND RAPE AND SEE WHAT COMES UP. STOP SHARE, STOP, PLEASE STOP. FOR THE LOVE OF GOD. ROBIN USES HIS REAL NAME SHARE. FUCK US ALL SHARE. NOW I'M GOING TO BE LATE. THAT'S HOW MUCH I CARE ABOUT YOU SHARE. From: Emily Reyn emilymae.r...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2013 9:52 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: J gets another fact wrong and S apologizes to R Share, how would you feel if I, as a man, accused you of psychological rape and then refused to tell you why. If I put forth this slanderous and highly destructive and damaging term all over the searchable internet and refused to tell you, or anyone else I was communicating with (and there are a lot of people here Share) what I meant by it. From a safe place Share, knowing that no harm will come to me. Knowing that in my world of us and them I have supporters so I don't have to even go it alone. In the larger picture - when a woman accuses a man of rape of any kind - the stakes are high. Many a man has gone to jail and been condemned for an act he did not commit based on a woman's testimony. It's unconscionable Share, positively emotionally sadistic. I could start calling you an emotional sadist. And refuse to discuss it with you Share. Refuse to tell you what I mean by it. Pretend I'm going to stop using the term, like you did, and continue to put it out there over and over and over. Check yourself Share. Check yourself. It's about *you* and your behavior. From: Emily Reyn emilymae.r...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2013 9:35 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: J gets another fact wrong and S apologizes to R Share, you still haven't defined what it means. In that you experienced it, you should be able to come forth with a definition that reflects your experience. To throw a term like that around like you have while refusing to define it is irresponsible, at the highest level, in my view. It isn't about the rest of it Share, it's about your continued use of a highly accusatory term that you refuse to define. You, Share, not Xeno or me, who have both put forth definitions - mine you rejected. What is yours Share? From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2013 8:27 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: J gets another fact wrong and S apologizes to R Emily when I said psychologically raped it was spontaneous AND it felt accurate AND I was very upset. Later it was validated by people I trust both on FFL and not. So I don't think there will be a retraction. SIMULTANEOUSLY, I regret that I was not more psychologically developed at the time and didn't have better communication skills. I regret all of my mistakes that such lacks contributed to, especially if they caused Robin distress. OTOH, I only take partial responsibility for the whole mess. Robin IMO gets part of it. And IMO Judy and the Jets get the rest. I have been wondering if one of the reasons Judy et al are so obsessed about what I said, is because it's too painful for them, being the Robin Fundamentalists that they are, to own up to their part in the whole thing. As Curtis noted, using his own words, you all have very much contributed to a cyberspace blip becoming a blimp! Perhaps if you all had not reacted as you did after my psych rape remark, perhaps the former WTS members wouldn't have come forward with stories and whole books! Did you ever consider that? Anyway, about your post just below, my guess is you're like all of us, Emily. Sometimes you care and sometimes you don't but deep down you always do. So I wasn't bothered by what you said but thanks for the apology and explanations. From: Emily Reyn emilymae.r...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 7:31 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: J gets another fact wrong and S apologizes to R Dear Share: Re: It comes across as real fear to me, but you know what Share, I am not your keeper and I really don't care. Again, I wrote this too fast in my rush to step away from the network this morning and get something else done. What the last phrase was supposed to say was .I am not your keeper and I really don't care to be. I do care, Share, about you, and I wish the best for you every day. Alright, time for me to step away from the network again. I'm having to write too many retractions for my own good today. Sincerely, Emily. From: Emily Reyn emilymae.r
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Emily when I said psychologically raped it was spontaneous AND it felt accurate AND I was very upset. No no no, Share, you aren't dealing with what both Emily and I have pointed out. You've been sidestepping and fancy- dancing away from the actual issues all the way through this. Later it was validated by people I trust both on FFL and not. All of whom you knew to be Robin-haters. And it never once occurred to you that they might not be totally objective and that by their validation, they were exploiting you to serve their agenda against him. So I don't think there will be a retraction. SIMULTANEOUSLY, I regret that I was not more psychologically developed at the time and didn't have better communication skills. I regret all of my mistakes that such lacks contributed to, especially if they caused Robin distress. OTOH, I only take partial responsibility for the whole mess. Robin IMO gets part of it. Robin did NOTHING WRONG. Every bit of this is on you. And IMO Judy and the Jets get the rest. For defending Robin from a false charge? For pointing out all the other falsehoods you were telling? Right. A little more psychological development needed here, please. I have been wondering if one of the reasons Judy et al are so obsessed about what I said, is because it's too painful for them, being the Robin Fundamentalists that they are, to own up to their part in the whole thing. You are out of your freaking gourd. We had no part whatsoever in the post of Robin's you decided--four weeks after the fact--had been psychological rape. As Curtis noted, using his own words, you all have very much contributed to a cyberspace blip becoming a blimp! Perhaps if you all had not reacted as you did after my psych rape remark, Perhaps if you hadn't overreacted to Robin's post on September 6 and fought his patient explanations that you had misunderstood him--as well as telling falsehoods about how it had all unfolded--you wouldn't have decided four weeks later that you had been psychologically raped, and *none* of this would have happened. Again, this is *all on you*, Share. The whole psychological rape idea was something you came up with on October 1 in an attempt to account for how you'd gotten yourself into this mess, why you were up against it and couldn't seem to find your way out of it. There was nothing in that initial exchange with Robin on September 6--after months of the warmest, friendliest conversations--that any *sane* person could have considered more than a minor misunderstanding. You ended up being psychologically raped by your own inability to deal with reality, which doesn't take no for an answer. perhaps the former WTS members wouldn't have come forward with stories and whole books! One book, Share (unpublished at that). Did you ever consider that? LordKnows showed up on FFL at the beginning of *August*, Share. He thought he was going to discredit Robin with his stories, but he failed miserably and disappeared again after five days. When you came out with your psychological rape accusation almost two months later, he figured maybe he had another shot at it by exploiting your craziness. The Howells didn't turn up until a month after that. And they dropped their little bomb and hastily beat feet out of here. Throughout all this, Robin handled himself with great dignity and forthrightness. Can you imagine the courage it took to confront without flinching what was being thrown at him? No, I don't deify Robin. He has plenty of faults and weaknesses. But unlike others here--yourself in particular-- he takes full responsibility for them. I'm utterly fascinated by the notion that it's perfectly OK to make a slanderous accusation against somebody in an Internet forum, and that it's the folks who object to it who are at fault.
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I don't suppose you ever saw the first Terminator movie Share, but this is what you are dealing with: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vCLeV7PfJs I object to being refereed to as a Robin-hater as if that term sums up the hours of interaction I had with the guy, or explains my more nuanced view of him now. But it is worthy of note that the people who did find some resonance with Share's term did share the experience of being at the business end of Robin's I WILL improve you whether you like it or not shotgun. I am cutting out everything else from this post and would like to remind the people trying to help Robin's online image, it is repetition that floods the search engines. What you have accomplished by this massive foot print link of his name and this term is to make it impossible for anyone to get to the bottom of this discussion, even if miraculously Share rolled over and said whatever it is that she is supposed to say to satisfy you. (My suspicion is that no such words exist.) So keep it up if you must, but know that I am officially blowing the lid off the cover that this is all in the best interest of Robin's online image. You are doing it for your own personal reasons, despite the fact that your fixation is hurting his online image.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: I don't suppose you ever saw the first Terminator movie Share, but this is what you are dealing with: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vCLeV7PfJs This is from Terminator 3, but the metaphor is valid. The appropriate quote from the original The Terminator (paraphrased) is, You still don't get it, do you? She'll find her! That's what she does! That's ALL she does! You can't stop her! She'll wade through you, reach down her throat and pull her fuckin' heart out! It's TM-esque one-pointedness, taken to the point of psychosis.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: I don't suppose you ever saw the first Terminator movie Share, Third Terminator movie. But we're just talkin' here, no need to be factual. but this is what you are dealing with: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vCLeV7PfJs I object to being refereed to as a Robin-hater as if that term sums up the hours of interaction I had with the guy, or explains my more nuanced view of him now. More nuanced view--that gave me a belly laugh, Curtis, thanks. Sorta like using non complimentary feeling to refer to Share's accusation of psychological rape. Not to mention that oh-so-nuanced blue streak of especially hateful falsehoods you unloaded concerning those interactions after your most recent clash with Robin. But it is worthy of note that the people who did find some resonance with Share's term did share the experience of being at the business end of Robin's I WILL improve you whether you like it or not shotgun. Notice that Curtis does not add more than a quarter of a century ago (for all but Curtis). Notice also the subtle use of shotgun as a metaphor to convey violent coercion (he strongly objected to Robin using metaphors of physical conflict in their discussions, BTW). Curtis doesn't miss a trick. And the characterization in quotes is made as if it were definitive and invulnerable to challenge (it's neither, but that's another can of worms). I am cutting out everything else from this post and would like to remind the people trying to help Robin's online image, it is repetition that floods the search engines. What you have accomplished by this massive foot print link of his name and this term is to make it impossible for anyone to get to the bottom of this discussion, even if miraculously Share rolled over and said whatever it is that she is supposed to say to satisfy you. (My suspicion is that no such words exist.) I retract my accusation that Robin psychologically raped me are the words from Share that would satisfy *me*. But the really fun part here is that of the various links to Robin's name in the context of the term psychological rape, the great majority will be to vigorous objections to the accusation, many of them backed up by documentation calling it in serious question. Whether anyone gets to the bottom of this discussion is immaterial. What's important is that they see that the accusation sparked significant outrage and pushback; it didn't just sit there like a little stinkbomb unchallenged. So keep it up if you must, but know that I am officially blowing the lid off the cover AHA HAHA HAHAHA!! Curtis at his most pompous. that this is all in the best interest of Robin's online image. You are doing it for your own personal reasons, You see, Curtis knows our thought process better than we do ourselves. Bullshit, Curtis. That's another of the vicious little tropes you haul out when you don't have a case. You've used it quite a bit, and it's no truer now than when you first manufactured it. It is, of course, a projection: Curtis has been siding with Share not because he cares about her but because she's useful to him in his jihad against Robin. (Or maybe he's just jealous that Robin has such strong, articulate supporters, while he has to make do with Barry and Steve and Xeno and Share.) despite the fact that your fixation is hurting his online image. No, it ain't, Curtis, sorry. I just blew the lid off that piece of disingenuous crap too. For Curtis, of course, the objections to Share's accusation are NOT A GOOD THING. He would much rather the accusation stand on its own without anybody contesting it, because he figures it gives his own attacks on Robin some credibility. And the very *last* thing he wants is for Share to retract the accusation. He doesn't want the work he did to turn her against Robin to go to waste. That's why he's trying so hard to discourage those of us who are calling Share on her slander.
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I post these very personal emails of mine to Robin to show why I think I tried my best to reconcile with Robin. I sent the first to Robin on Sept 6 at 8:15 pm Central. Cuckoo ness in the last sentence refers back to something Robin had said to me. Dear Robin, Please also notice that I said apologies if I misunderstood. And most importantly, that in that case, I hope we can work things out. It's not my way to just cut people off with no chance of reconciliation. Especially given the limitations of emailing and inevitable misunderstandings. Here's how you began that post: All that I was trying to communicate--and I said I was very likely...wrong--was the sense I had in reading your post to me that *I was only getting the human being Share Long*--and no belief system. Here was my reply to that: Robin, it sounds like you're saying that you sensed you were getting the real me and not my beliefs. But that you were very likely wrong! Which says to me that you don't think you were getting the real me, but rather my beliefs. What did I misinterpret? I would never do anything purposefully to hurt you, Robin. I feel awful to think I misunderstood and hurt you even accidently. And now I wish I had sent it to you directly but you've been ignoring those direct emails and I needed to know for sure that you had gotten it. What can I do to make amends? And I'm happy to apologize to you on the forum. I willing to do whatever is necessary to make it right between us. Can you forgive my cuckoo ness? Share I sent this to Robin on Sept 9 at 7:54 pm Central. Sept 9 is when Judy first interfered. Dear Robin, I never thought any of the things about you that you accuse me of below. I never thought you were careless about my heart. I never thought you were a bully. I never thought you lacked regard for me. I never thought you were self centered. I never thought you were a rat. I expressedinnocent and real joy at the beautiful Russian flash mob you posted. You replied by saying that you sensed I was being the real Share but that you were probably wrong. This is what hurt me. What I attributed your comment to was your taking on the role of a teacher of what is real. You yourself talked about that as being your destiny and in your DNA. So this is where I think you were coming from. Of course I haven't known you very long and then only online. So I don't claim to know you that well. But I do sense that you are more developed than me. Maybe that's why I don't understand you. Maybe I never will. I can promise that I will do my best. And that I continue to do whatever I can to develop my ability to love. But I will probably make more mistakes along the way. Again, I apologize for my part in all this upset. I hope we can put it behind us. Even here I can sense an ocean between us. It makes me feel sad. I was telling my pastoral counselor today that I sense that you live at a very deep level of life. That you experience layers and layers of richness and attempt to convey that in your writing. Perhaps because of my chaotic early childhood, I am more comfortable with simplicity. I hope we can find a meeting ground that is comfortable and even joyful for us both.Share From: curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2013 12:58 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: J gets another fact wrong and S apologizes to R I don't suppose you ever saw the first Terminator movie Share, but this is what you are dealing with: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vCLeV7PfJs I object to being refereed to as a Robin-hater as if that term sums up the hours of interaction I had with the guy, or explains my more nuanced view of him now. But it is worthy of note that the people who did find some resonance with Share's term did share the experience of being at the business end of Robin's I WILL improve you whether you like it or not shotgun. I am cutting out everything else from this post and would like to remind the people trying to help Robin's online image, it is repetition that floods the search engines. What you have accomplished by this massive foot print link of his name and this term is to make it impossible for anyone to get to the bottom of this discussion, even if miraculously Share rolled over and said whatever it is that she is supposed to say to satisfy you. (My suspicion is that no such words exist.) So keep it up if you must, but know that I am officially blowing the lid off the cover that this is all in the best interest of Robin's online image. You are doing it for your own personal reasons, despite the fact that your fixation is hurting his online image.
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Dear Share: What your part of this exchange indicates is that there was a real misunderstanding between you and Robin. You felt badly about this. I take you at your word. Your feelings were hurt. You think he made assumptions about your emails to him and your POV and I'm guessing your *personhood* that were inaccurate. This comes through as well. You worry that you have hurt him by what you've said also and are willing to apologize and make amends. None of that happened here though. Instead we have an accusation of PR from you. How were you PR'd Share? Where is the PR on his part? How do you define PR? This doesn't indicate any such dramatic personally destructive act on his part. Rape is a violent act Share, whether emotional, mental or physical. Where is the violence on Robin's end? How did you come to this conclusion about how you were treated? These emails do not indicate what you have steadfastly been projecting. I would be the first person Share to acknowledge your situation if, in fact, you go to the effort to explain it. These emails don't explain that PR occurred, based on Xeno's definition, as you thanked him for his email. Is that the definition you are using? I do not care a whit what Robin thinks of me. If he dished it out, than he can take responsibility for it, that's the way my world works. Share, between any two human beings there is a tension between two differing POV's. Have you paid any attention to the exchange between Curtis and I over the last two days? Did you watch me publicly address my concern with him about why he sent me the song with the gang lyrics? Did you understand that I was worried that he did that in a moment of anger and I wanted to resolve it? Did you watch him explain why he did? Did you watch me accept his explanation? Did you watch me acknowledge my part? Did you watch us both return, for the present time at least, to the topic that was more interesting to both of us? Did you watch both of us show up to engage in the conversation publicly? Situation resolved Share. Done. No accusations of rape of any kind on my part for what would have at the most been a situation of hurt feelings on my part. Do you know what was in the email that Sal sent me? Accusation Share. Assumptions about my behavior and my personality that were not favorable, to say the least. Lots of ill will Share, from my perspective. And, my decision, given my angst was to send it to both Curtis and Judy for review and then move the conversation to the internet and never even make the email public. Not a good strategy really, but in the end, it all resolved itself Share. You aren't the only one in life, or on FFL, to have dealt with personally difficult situations and angry feelings. Is that all this is Share? From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2013 12:58 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: J gets another fact wrong and S apologizes to R I post these very personal emails of mine to Robin to show why I think I tried my best to reconcile with Robin. I sent the first to Robin on Sept 6 at 8:15 pm Central. Cuckoo ness in the last sentence refers back to something Robin had said to me. Dear Robin, Please also notice that I said apologies if I misunderstood. And most importantly, that in that case, I hope we can work things out. It's not my way to just cut people off with no chance of reconciliation. Especially given the limitations of emailing and inevitable misunderstandings. Here's how you began that post: All that I was trying to communicate--and I said I was very likely...wrong--was the sense I had in reading your post to me that *I was only getting the human being Share Long*--and no belief system. Here was my reply to that: Robin, it sounds like you're saying that you sensed you were getting the real me and not my beliefs. But that you were very likely wrong! Which says to me that you don't think you were getting the real me, but rather my beliefs. What did I misinterpret? I would never do anything purposefully to hurt you, Robin. I feel awful to think I misunderstood and hurt you even accidently. And now I wish I had sent it to you directly but you've been ignoring those direct emails and I needed to know for sure that you had gotten it. What can I do to make amends? And I'm happy to apologize to you on the forum. I willing to do whatever is necessary to make it right between us. Can you forgive my cuckoo ness? Share I sent this to Robin on Sept 9 at 7:54 pm Central. Sept 9 is when Judy first interfered. Dear Robin, I never thought any of the things about you that you accuse me of below. I never thought you were careless about my heart. I never thought you were a bully. I never thought you lacked regard for me. I never
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Emily, as you suggested, I googled Robin Carlsen and rape. As did later hits, the first hit contained psychological rape in the title line. It was a post from JUDY. Perhaps that says it all.    IMO you are way off target here. One, I only continue to discuss it because you all continue to badger. Two, I have said what I meant by the term. Three, do you know of a man who has gone to jail for psychological rape?! Four, there were men among those on FFL and off who have validated my use of that term. Recently Robin himself used psychological rape about Ann to Curtis. When I asked about that, Ann said she thought Robin was being both ironic and acknowledging what she went through at the time. Not acknowledging that I experienced psychological rape, dear Share. Re-read that section again about what I wrote. He was, in my opinion, giving a small 'nod' of recognition that I had gone through a lot but I never described or, indeed, would have ever thought of or used that term to describe what I experienced at the end of days for me around WTS. Be very careful how you attribute words to others, in this case myself. Plus Judy has herself said that Robin pushes people. When I refer to that, she says I'm making too much of it! IMO, I'm giving just the right amount of attention to both comments! I admire the way you care about Robin. But I had begun to suspect that you all were, in your minds, erasing the word psychological. Why, I don't know. Perhaps you all are the ones who are getting high off of your extreme feelings, such as you have accused me of. All that protectiveness towards Robin, questioning, analyzing, badgering and attacking me, often quite gleefully, and obsessing about it for almost 8 months. Not to mention you personally may be using it to have your head in the sand about your financial situation? You see, Emily your enablers have been, it seems ok with your focusing on the upsets between me and Robin for all those weeks between Sept 6 and Jan when I told you and Ann I wouldn't answer any more grudgy sounding posts. Funnily enough, I remember that when I first joined FFL last May, you posted soon after that you were running out of money and going on vacation. Huh? Now fast forward to Dec 2012 and again you're posting that you're running out of money and going on vacation. Except this time I did not think Huh. I have compassion for your situation. But a little less when you've been spending your time either inaccurately analyzing me, badgering me or gleefully attacking me. Hey, maybe you could get Judy to do a archives search on that!  Oh and just to be clear, I do not feel at all like a victim. I don't think I sound like one either. YMMV. From: Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2013 11:52 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: J gets another fact wrong and S apologizes to R  Share, how would you feel if I, as a man, accused you of psychological rape and then refused to tell you why.  If I put forth this slanderous and highly destructive and damaging term all over the searchable internet and refused to tell you, or anyone else I was communicating with (and there are a lot of people here Share) what I meant by it.  From a safe place Share, knowing that no harm will come to me.  Knowing that in my world of us and them I have supporters so I don't have to even go it alone. In the larger picture - when a woman accuses a man of rape of any kind - the stakes are high.  Many a man has gone to jail and been condemned for an act he did not commit based on a woman's testimony.  It's unconscionable Share, positively emotionally sadistic.  I could start calling you an emotional sadist.  And refuse to discuss it with you Share.  Refuse to tell you what I mean by it.  Pretend I'm going to stop using the term, like you did, and continue to put it out there over and over and over.  Check yourself Share.  Check yourself.  It's about *you* and your behavior.   From: Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2013 9:35 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: J gets another fact wrong and S apologizes to R Share, you still haven't defined what it means.  In that you experienced it, you should be able to come forth with a definition that reflects your experience.  To throw a term like that around like you have while refusing to define it is irresponsible, at the highest level, in my view. It isn't about the rest of it Share, it's about your continued use of a highly accusatory
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: I don't suppose you ever saw the first Terminator movie Share, but this is what you are dealing with: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vCLeV7PfJs This is from Terminator 3, but the metaphor is valid. The appropriate quote from the original The Terminator (paraphrased) is, You still don't get it, do you? She'll find her! That's what she does! That's ALL she does! You can't stop her! She'll wade through you, reach down her throat and pull her fuckin' heart out! It's TM-esque one-pointedness, taken to the point of psychosis. We must give Barry another round of applause for this peanut gallery analysis that fails to avoid finger pointing, negativity and an apparent desire to never see dissension between individuals end. These synopses of his never fail to focus on perpetuating ill will. They are never solutions, remedies, middle grounds or ways to suggest compromise. Just a mean-spirited guy wiping the saliva off his shirt front because of his appetite for continued negativity between people. He can fairly taste it. Or maybe he is just hungry for something off the Doc's delicious menu offerings.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: I don't suppose you ever saw the first Terminator movie Share, but this is what you are dealing with: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vCLeV7PfJs This is from Terminator 3, but the metaphor is valid. The appropriate quote from the original The Terminator (paraphrased) is, You still don't get it, do you? She'll find her! That's what she does! That's ALL she does! You can't stop her! She'll wade through you, reach down her throat and pull her fuckin' heart out! It's TM-esque one-pointedness, taken to the point of psychosis. We must give Barry another round of applause for this peanut gallery analysis that fails to avoid finger pointing, negativity and an apparent desire to never see dissension between individuals end. These synopses of his never fail to focus on perpetuating ill will. They are never solutions, remedies, middle grounds or ways to suggest compromise. Just a mean-spirited guy wiping the saliva off his shirt front because of his appetite for continued negativity between people. He can fairly taste it. Or maybe he is just hungry for something off the Doc's delicious menu offerings. A sad road to ruin for our fellow, yet failed, gastronome, Sous Chef Barry. His Merde du Mer, featured recently, was not a big seller in The FFL Main Dining Room, nor has it succeeded in his signature cafe, Opinions, where it is relabeled simply as, The Shit Sandwich (with deference to Spinal Tap), $21.95, comes with shoulder chips, and two left feet salsa. This was to be his comeback dish, to put him BACK, ON THE *Effing* MAP, JACK, alongside such culinary greats as, Guy Fieri, Ronald McDonald, Mr. Peanut, Mr. Kool-aid, Fig Newton, Sponge Bob, and Paula Deen. Alas, his destiny lies elsewhere, far, far, far, far, far, far, far, far, far, far, far, far, far far, far, far, far, away, over the furthest horizon! Fly free, and farewell, Sous Chef Barry!! As we so often said during your cooking trials, and tribulations, Adieu, until the next shit hits the fan!.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: I don't suppose you ever saw the first Terminator movie Share, Third Terminator movie. But we're just talkin' here, no need to be factual. but this is what you are dealing with: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vCLeV7PfJs I object to being refereed to as a Robin-hater as if that term sums up the hours of interaction I had with the guy, or explains my more nuanced view of him now. More nuanced view--that gave me a belly laugh, Curtis, thanks. Right because you know my feelings better from what I have written here than I would know about myself, the Judy premise. I don't hate Robin, I found him very unpleasant when he got on his critical routine full time. Your constantly harshly negative take on my interactions with Robin show that you don't really give a shit about the guy beyond his usefulness for your little vendettas here. You paint a picture of our relationship as me duping his as a poor sap and then me making him a victim. This is not my view at all. You can't stop yourself from endlessly harping on Share's use of a phrase that would be long forgotten if not for your efforts to keep it alive. I know one other guy who is not fooled by your routine. I would bet on it. Sorta like using non complimentary feeling to refer to Share's accusation of psychological rape. Not to mention that oh-so-nuanced blue streak of especially hateful falsehoods you unloaded concerning those interactions after your most recent clash with Robin. Again, the Judy assumption that her view of my experience with Robin should supersede my actual experience of it. Judy knows what REALLY happened between Robin and me even though both of us have struggled with really figuring out why things went South. And surprise, in Judy's jaundiced view, it was all MY fault and poor Robin was just a victim. But it is worthy of note that the people who did find some resonance with Share's term did share the experience of being at the business end of Robin's I WILL improve you whether you like it or not shotgun. Notice that Curtis does not add more than a quarter of a century ago (for all but Curtis). And the time factor would matter how if he is running the same game now, which led to the agreement? Notice also the subtle use of shotgun as a metaphor to convey violent coercion (he strongly objected to Robin using metaphors of physical conflict in their discussions, BTW). Curtis doesn't miss a trick. And the characterization in quotes is made as if it were definitive and invulnerable to challenge (it's neither, but that's another can of worms). I am cutting out everything else from this post and would like to remind the people trying to help Robin's online image, it is repetition that floods the search engines. What you have accomplished by this massive foot print link of his name and this term is to make it impossible for anyone to get to the bottom of this discussion, even if miraculously Share rolled over and said whatever it is that she is supposed to say to satisfy you. (My suspicion is that no such words exist.) I retract my accusation that Robin psychologically raped me are the words from Share that would satisfy *me*. And she hasn't felt a desire to retract them. So you have been badgering her nonstop for months to try to get her to do so beyond all reason and beyond what is consistent with your stated goal of helping Robin's online rep. Why should she retract something because YOU don't like it? Robin ended up using it himself later so it must not bug him as much as you. But the really fun part here is that of the various links to Robin's name in the context of the term psychological rape, the great majority will be to vigorous objections to the accusation, many of them backed up by documentation calling it in serious question. By nutbags like YOU. You are not helping. Look how many times you have repeated it in THIS post. You can't resist repeating the term when I have carefully avoided it here. With friends like you Robin doesn't need enemies. Whether anyone gets to the bottom of this discussion is immaterial. What's important is that they see that the accusation sparked significant outrage and pushback; it didn't just sit there like a little stinkbomb unchallenged. But you keep bringing it up dopey. Don't you get what you are doing? So keep it up if you must, but know that I am officially blowing the lid off the cover AHA HAHA HAHAHA!! Curtis at his most pompous. that this is all in the best interest of Robin's online image. You are doing it for your own personal reasons, You see, Curtis knows our thought process better than we do ourselves. No this is not the case. I don't need to know your motives I see the result.
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Hey Curtis, thanks for hanging in there - seriously. Beyond my basic principle of each of us owning both our own shit, and our own gold, this conversation has taken some really interesting turns. Very polarized, and polarizing at times, but worth it. I like what I am learning about everyone, including myself. And Em, and Share, your interaction has been awesome! I like it. Reality speaks, and in so many voices here. I hope I sound neither voyeuristic or preachy, I just enjoy the fuck out of an honest conversation. Judy, keeping that barge chugging up river, though nightfall's a comin', while Ann plays harmonica, and R. Dog strums the banjo on deck. Spot on compass heading, and easily overlooked. I'll settle back now, into my rocking chair, and listen some more. Regards, Doctor Dumbass -- [By appointment only. Specializing in hair re-growth on foot soles, and the portion of the outer ear canal, known as Herpes Bathtub. Also treating extensive cheese allergies.] --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: I don't suppose you ever saw the first Terminator movie Share, Third Terminator movie. But we're just talkin' here, no need to be factual. but this is what you are dealing with: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vCLeV7PfJs I object to being refereed to as a Robin-hater as if that term sums up the hours of interaction I had with the guy, or explains my more nuanced view of him now. More nuanced view--that gave me a belly laugh, Curtis, thanks. Right because you know my feelings better from what I have written here than I would know about myself, the Judy premise. I don't hate Robin, I found him very unpleasant when he got on his critical routine full time. Your constantly harshly negative take on my interactions with Robin show that you don't really give a shit about the guy beyond his usefulness for your little vendettas here. You paint a picture of our relationship as me duping his as a poor sap and then me making him a victim. This is not my view at all. You can't stop yourself from endlessly harping on Share's use of a phrase that would be long forgotten if not for your efforts to keep it alive. I know one other guy who is not fooled by your routine. I would bet on it. Sorta like using non complimentary feeling to refer to Share's accusation of psychological rape. Not to mention that oh-so-nuanced blue streak of especially hateful falsehoods you unloaded concerning those interactions after your most recent clash with Robin. Again, the Judy assumption that her view of my experience with Robin should supersede my actual experience of it. Judy knows what REALLY happened between Robin and me even though both of us have struggled with really figuring out why things went South. And surprise, in Judy's jaundiced view, it was all MY fault and poor Robin was just a victim. But it is worthy of note that the people who did find some resonance with Share's term did share the experience of being at the business end of Robin's I WILL improve you whether you like it or not shotgun. Notice that Curtis does not add more than a quarter of a century ago (for all but Curtis). And the time factor would matter how if he is running the same game now, which led to the agreement? Notice also the subtle use of shotgun as a metaphor to convey violent coercion (he strongly objected to Robin using metaphors of physical conflict in their discussions, BTW). Curtis doesn't miss a trick. And the characterization in quotes is made as if it were definitive and invulnerable to challenge (it's neither, but that's another can of worms). I am cutting out everything else from this post and would like to remind the people trying to help Robin's online image, it is repetition that floods the search engines. What you have accomplished by this massive foot print link of his name and this term is to make it impossible for anyone to get to the bottom of this discussion, even if miraculously Share rolled over and said whatever it is that she is supposed to say to satisfy you. (My suspicion is that no such words exist.) I retract my accusation that Robin psychologically raped me are the words from Share that would satisfy *me*. And she hasn't felt a desire to retract them. So you have been badgering her nonstop for months to try to get her to do so beyond all reason and beyond what is consistent with your stated goal of helping Robin's online rep. Why should she retract something because YOU don't like it? Robin ended up using it himself later so it must not bug him as much as you. But the really fun part here is that of the
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Dear Doctor: Oh dear, Oh dear. I'm in pain, doctor, in pain. I'm feeling psychologically surreal. Can I get a pill for this? To make the feeling go away doctor, not to make it worse (just to say). Now, I was pleasantly writing up a short anthology of sorts and suddenly fell to the floor, speaking in tongues. Oh dear, Oh dear. I must retire tonight to my man cave to meditate, but can you call in a prescription for something to the local pharmacy? Sincerely, Emerson From: doctordumb...@rocketmail.com doctordumb...@rocketmail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2013 8:04 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: J gets another fact wrong and S apologizes to R Hey Curtis, thanks for hanging in there - seriously. Beyond my basic principle of each of us owning both our own shit, and our own gold, this conversation has taken some really interesting turns. Very polarized, and polarizing at times, but worth it. I like what I am learning about everyone, including myself. And Em, and Share, your interaction has been awesome! I like it. Reality speaks, and in so many voices here. I hope I sound neither voyeuristic or preachy, I just enjoy the fuck out of an honest conversation. Judy, keeping that barge chugging up river, though nightfall's a comin', while Ann plays harmonica, and R. Dog strums the banjo on deck. Spot on compass heading, and easily overlooked. I'll settle back now, into my rocking chair, and listen some more. Regards, Doctor Dumbass -- [By appointment only. Specializing in hair re-growth on foot soles, and the portion of the outer ear canal, known as Herpes Bathtub. Also treating extensive cheese allergies.] --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: I don't suppose you ever saw the first Terminator movie Share, Third Terminator movie. But we're just talkin' here, no need to be factual. but this is what you are dealing with: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vCLeV7PfJs I object to being refereed to as a Robin-hater as if that term sums up the hours of interaction I had with the guy, or explains my more nuanced view of him now. More nuanced view--that gave me a belly laugh, Curtis, thanks. Right because you know my feelings better from what I have written here than I would know about myself, the Judy premise. I don't hate Robin, I found him very unpleasant when he got on his critical routine full time. Your constantly harshly negative take on my interactions with Robin show that you don't really give a shit about the guy beyond his usefulness for your little vendettas here. You paint a picture of our relationship as me duping his as a poor sap and then me making him a victim. This is not my view at all. You can't stop yourself from endlessly harping on Share's use of a phrase that would be long forgotten if not for your efforts to keep it alive. I know one other guy who is not fooled by your routine. I would bet on it. Sorta like using non complimentary feeling to refer to Share's accusation of psychological rape. Not to mention that oh-so-nuanced blue streak of especially hateful falsehoods you unloaded concerning those interactions after your most recent clash with Robin. Again, the Judy assumption that her view of my experience with Robin should supersede my actual experience of it. Judy knows what REALLY happened between Robin and me even though both of us have struggled with really figuring out why things went South. And surprise, in Judy's jaundiced view, it was all MY fault and poor Robin was just a victim. But it is worthy of note that the people who did find some resonance with Share's term did share the experience of being at the business end of Robin's I WILL improve you whether you like it or not shotgun. Notice that Curtis does not add more than a quarter of a century ago (for all but Curtis). And the time factor would matter how if he is running the same game now, which led to the agreement? Notice also the subtle use of shotgun as a metaphor to convey violent coercion (he strongly objected to Robin using metaphors of physical conflict in their discussions, BTW). Curtis doesn't miss a trick. And the characterization in quotes is made as if it were definitive and invulnerable to challenge (it's neither, but that's another can of worms). I am cutting out everything else from this post and would like to remind the people trying to help Robin's online image, it is repetition that floods the search engines. What you have accomplished by this massive foot print link of his name and this term is to make it impossible for anyone
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... no_reply@... wrote: Hey Curtis, thanks for hanging in there - seriously. Beyond my basic principle of each of us owning both our own shit, and our own gold, this conversation has taken some really interesting turns. Very polarized, and polarizing at times, but worth it. I like what I am learning about everyone, including myself. And Em, and Share, your interaction has been awesome! I like it. Reality speaks, and in so many voices here. I hope I sound neither voyeuristic or preachy, I just enjoy the fuck out of an honest conversation. Judy, keeping that barge chugging up river, though nightfall's a comin', while Ann plays harmonica, and R. Dog strums the banjo on deck. Spot on compass heading, and easily overlooked. http://youtu.be/SleYHOcLjOg I'll settle back now, into my rocking chair, and listen some more. Regards, Doctor Dumbass -- [By appointment only. Specializing in hair re-growth on foot soles, and the portion of the outer ear canal, known as Herpes Bathtub. Also treating extensive cheese allergies.] --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: I don't suppose you ever saw the first Terminator movie Share, Third Terminator movie. But we're just talkin' here, no need to be factual. but this is what you are dealing with: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vCLeV7PfJs I object to being refereed to as a Robin-hater as if that term sums up the hours of interaction I had with the guy, or explains my more nuanced view of him now. More nuanced view--that gave me a belly laugh, Curtis, thanks. Right because you know my feelings better from what I have written here than I would know about myself, the Judy premise. I don't hate Robin, I found him very unpleasant when he got on his critical routine full time. Your constantly harshly negative take on my interactions with Robin show that you don't really give a shit about the guy beyond his usefulness for your little vendettas here. You paint a picture of our relationship as me duping his as a poor sap and then me making him a victim. This is not my view at all. You can't stop yourself from endlessly harping on Share's use of a phrase that would be long forgotten if not for your efforts to keep it alive. I know one other guy who is not fooled by your routine. I would bet on it. Sorta like using non complimentary feeling to refer to Share's accusation of psychological rape. Not to mention that oh-so-nuanced blue streak of especially hateful falsehoods you unloaded concerning those interactions after your most recent clash with Robin. Again, the Judy assumption that her view of my experience with Robin should supersede my actual experience of it. Judy knows what REALLY happened between Robin and me even though both of us have struggled with really figuring out why things went South. And surprise, in Judy's jaundiced view, it was all MY fault and poor Robin was just a victim. But it is worthy of note that the people who did find some resonance with Share's term did share the experience of being at the business end of Robin's I WILL improve you whether you like it or not shotgun. Notice that Curtis does not add more than a quarter of a century ago (for all but Curtis). And the time factor would matter how if he is running the same game now, which led to the agreement? Notice also the subtle use of shotgun as a metaphor to convey violent coercion (he strongly objected to Robin using metaphors of physical conflict in their discussions, BTW). Curtis doesn't miss a trick. And the characterization in quotes is made as if it were definitive and invulnerable to challenge (it's neither, but that's another can of worms). I am cutting out everything else from this post and would like to remind the people trying to help Robin's online image, it is repetition that floods the search engines. What you have accomplished by this massive foot print link of his name and this term is to make it impossible for anyone to get to the bottom of this discussion, even if miraculously Share rolled over and said whatever it is that she is supposed to say to satisfy you. (My suspicion is that no such words exist.) I retract my accusation that Robin psychologically raped me are the words from Share that would satisfy *me*. And she hasn't felt a desire to retract them. So you have been badgering her nonstop for months to try to get her to do so beyond all reason and beyond what is consistent with your stated goal of
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: I don't suppose you ever saw the first Terminator movie Share, Third Terminator movie. But we're just talkin' here, no need to be factual. but this is what you are dealing with: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vCLeV7PfJs I object to being refereed to as a Robin-hater as if that term sums up the hours of interaction I had with the guy, or explains my more nuanced view of him now. More nuanced view--that gave me a belly laugh, Curtis, thanks. Right because you know my feelings better from what I have written here than I would know about myself, the Judy premise. Yes, as I told you, Curtis, I do trust my sense of your feelings more than I trust your *reports* of your feelings. I don't hate Robin, I found him very unpleasant when he got on his critical routine full time. And you've been doing your damndest to punish him for it ever since. Your constantly harshly negative take on my interactions with Robin show that you don't really give a shit about the guy beyond his usefulness for your little vendettas here. Horse pucky. That doesn't even make sense. If anything, it would be the reverse: the more of a shit I gave about him, the tougher I'd be on you. You paint a picture of our relationship as me duping his as a poor sap and then me making him a victim. This is not my view at all. Oh, but you forgot, that's *Robin's* picture of your relationship. I even quoted it to you a week or so ago. You can't stop yourself from endlessly harping on Share's use of a phrase that would be long forgotten if not for your efforts to keep it alive. Wrong on both counts. I know one other guy who is not fooled by your routine. I would bet on it. I'm sure there's at least one other guy who thinks I'm running some deceptive routine. But I wouldn't risk any bucks betting on your candidate, if I were you. Sorta like using non complimentary feeling to refer to Share's accusation of psychological rape. Not to mention that oh-so-nuanced blue streak of especially hateful falsehoods you unloaded concerning those interactions after your most recent clash with Robin. Again, the Judy assumption that her view of my experience with Robin should supersede my actual experience of it. Judy knows what REALLY happened between Robin and me even though both of us have struggled with really figuring out why things went South. And now Curtis begins to get heavily into his lying routine. First lie: I never said I knew what really happened between you and Robin. I said I knew what *did not* happen. Second lie: In your post to Barry, you were not struggling to figure out why things went south. You were *telling* Barry (and the rest of us) why things went south. Except that this is *not* why they went south. At best, it's your *fantasy* of why they went south, but sadly, there isn't any evidence in the posts that your fantasy bears any relationship to reality. At worst, what you told Barry about why things went south was something you dreamed up for the occasion to make Robin look bad because you were particularly pissed off at him for what he said about you in the clash that had just ended. And surprise, in Judy's jaundiced view, it was all MY fault and poor Robin was just a victim. Again, remember Robin's post that I quoted to you. He very definitely felt you had victimized him, but he blamed himself for being naive and trusting. But it is worthy of note that the people who did find some resonance with Share's term did share the experience of being at the business end of Robin's I WILL improve you whether you like it or not shotgun. Notice that Curtis does not add more than a quarter of a century ago (for all but Curtis). And the time factor would matter how if he is running the same game now, which led to the agreement? The length of time makes it less likely that they're remembering accurately, of course. And the likelihood of his running the same game now after a quarter of a century of repenting of what he had been doing with his group is *extremely* low. Notice also the subtle use of shotgun as a metaphor to convey violent coercion (he strongly objected to Robin using metaphors of physical conflict in their discussions, BTW). Curtis doesn't miss a trick. And the characterization in quotes is made as if it were definitive and invulnerable to challenge (it's neither, but that's another can of worms). I am cutting out everything else from this post and would like to remind the people trying to help Robin's online image, it is repetition that floods the search engines. What you have accomplished by this massive foot print link of his name and this term is
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Ok, Judy, apologies accepted, thank you. Moving on, you think I was wrong when I said psychologically raped to Robin. I think I was emotionally upset, as well as overwhelmed by many other inputs. I think I was lacking in psychological development. I think I was lacking in certain communication skills. Nonetheless I think my POV is more accurate and inclusive of the whole truth than yours. And my inner Xeno is smiling wryly about that. My statements on and about Sept 6 were all genuine expressions of how I was feeling when I wrote them. Even now I assess those posts as accurately reporting that I was very upset with Robin and also giving him the benefit of the doubt because I wanted to see if there was a way to continue being friends. It is true that I was experiencing a mix and range of physical and emotional states from grumpiness to feeling psychologically raped. Mix and range of inner experiences is something humans experience. Though evidently not all humans recognize this fact. In addition, every time Xeno, Curtis, Steve, feste and others write about this, their clarity and greater objectivity has helped me understand what was often subjective and emotionally challenging for me. So I am grateful to them all for helping me find the words to understand events and individuals that I'm still trying to understand. And I continue to incorporate their understandings and wordings into my thinking and writing about it. EMILY, take note, my incorporating of the insights of others will continue to happen. Judy, it's not that I keep going lower and lower. It's that your assessment of your POV keeps going higher and higher. Indicating only that it's all relative. As for your concern about Robin's reputation, as one poster recently said here, what I said was a blip on the screen in comparison to Robin's own posts. I'd add that the postings of many of his supporters also affects his reputation negatively, as difficult as that might be for them to acknowledge. Reasonable people everywhere will consider all that is pertinent. Or maybe ignore the whole thing. Beyond that it is the workings of karma. From: authfriend authfri...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2013 10:10 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: J gets another fact wrong and S apologizes to R --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Poor archives, still being selectively eschewed by Judy. Correcting Judy: I joined FFL in May 2012 and Robin rejoined in June 2012. You are absolutely right, my mistake, and my apologies. Robin *first* joined FFL in June 2011, left in January 2012, and returned in June. You joined in May 2012, as you say. Apparently I conflated the two June dates. I should have double-checked. However, my point stands: You were not new either to FFL or to Robin at the time he made the remarks that you decided four weeks later constituted psychological rape. You had been on FFL for three-and-a-half months, and your conversations with Robin had begun in early July, two months previously. Aren't you all glad I straightened THAT out?! Dear Robin, practicing just in case: please forgive me for not joining FFL in the same month as you did thus rendering Judy a LIAR. I hope you can understand. Shalom and all the best always, Share PS May I take this opportunity to wish you Happy Birthday a few days early?
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Nice post Share. I'm sure Robin will be along with his apologies for making you feel as though the phrase was the best way to express it. Oddly enough the committee giving lip-service to defending Robin's honor have dragged out the discussion 777 months now, making it a MUCH bigger part of Robin's online legacy than it would have been if they had just brought up their objections and then DROPPED it. But their desire to get you to say uncle was too strong, so they ended up shredding the doggy pull toy they claimed they were protecting. The chances that this term will be found by anyone looking up Robin are now EXPONENTIALLY bigger through their diligence. I'm sure he appreciates their HELP! On the other hand, as you mentioned, this will probably not be the thing that swings their vote in one direction or another about the guy. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Ok, Judy, apologies accepted, thank you. Moving on, you think I was wrong when I said psychologically raped to Robin. I think I was emotionally upset, as well as overwhelmed by many other inputs. I think I was lacking in psychological development. I think I was lacking in certain communication skills. Nonetheless I think my POV is more accurate and inclusive of the whole truth than yours. And my inner Xeno is smiling wryly about that.   My statements on and about Sept 6 were all genuine expressions of how I was feeling when I wrote them. Even now I assess those posts as accurately reporting that I was very upset with Robin and also giving him the benefit of the doubt because I wanted to see if there was a way to continue being friends. It is true that I was experiencing a mix and range of physical and emotional states from grumpiness to feeling psychologically raped. Mix and range of inner experiences is something humans experience. Though evidently not all humans recognize this fact.   In addition, every time Xeno, Curtis, Steve, feste and others write about this, their clarity and greater objectivity has helped me understand what was often subjective and emotionally challenging for me. So I am grateful to them all for helping me find the words to understand events and individuals that I'm still trying to understand. And I continue to incorporate their understandings and wordings into my thinking and writing about it. EMILY, take note, my incorporating of the insights of others will continue to happen. Judy, it's not that I keep going lower and lower. It's that your assessment of your POV keeps going higher and higher. Indicating only that it's all relative. As for your concern about Robin's reputation, as one poster recently said here, what I said was a blip on the screen in comparison to Robin's own posts. I'd add that the postings of many of his supporters also affects his reputation negatively, as difficult as that might be for them to acknowledge. Reasonable people everywhere will consider all that is pertinent. Or maybe ignore the whole thing. Beyond that it is the workings of karma. From: authfriend authfriend@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2013 10:10 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: J gets another fact wrong and S apologizes to R  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Poor archives, still being selectively eschewed by Judy. Correcting Judy: I joined FFL in May 2012 and Robin rejoined in June 2012. You are absolutely right, my mistake, and my apologies. Robin *first* joined FFL in June 2011, left in January 2012, and returned in June. You joined in May 2012, as you say. Apparently I conflated the two June dates. I should have double-checked. However, my point stands: You were not new either to FFL or to Robin at the time he made the remarks that you decided four weeks later constituted psychological rape. You had been on FFL for three-and-a-half months, and your conversations with Robin had begun in early July, two months previously.  Aren't you all glad I straightened THAT out?! Dear Robin, practicing just in case: please forgive me for not joining FFL in the same month as you did thus rendering Judy a LIAR. I hope you can understand. Shalom and all the best always, Share PS May I take this opportunity to wish you Happy Birthday a few days early?Â
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Curtis, when I'm rushing in the early morning, I save your posts for reading later. Why? Because just reading them makes me settle down and feel more reasonable and therefore happier. Now that I think of it, this is IMO the highest compliment I can give to a writer. And just now I recognize that such writing here on FFL has evoked in me the desire to be exactly this kind of writer. Hope that's not too mushy. It's strange is it not that we both have these threads going on about the R word?! Hmmm, let us ponder which group is common to both those threads. Let us ponder...never mind! It'll be eight months on May 6! Unbelievable! And with a threat that it will continue. But with today's post I think I've answered all of Judy's continuing concerns so maybe she will drop it now and or go badger Robin about it. And that there last sentence is probably my most deluded thought of all. From: curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 10:21 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: J gets another fact wrong and S apologizes to R Nice post Share. I'm sure Robin will be along with his apologies for making you feel as though the phrase was the best way to express it. Oddly enough the committee giving lip-service to defending Robin's honor have dragged out the discussion 777 months now, making it a MUCH bigger part of Robin's online legacy than it would have been if they had just brought up their objections and then DROPPED it. But their desire to get you to say uncle was too strong, so they ended up shredding the doggy pull toy they claimed they were protecting. The chances that this term will be found by anyone looking up Robin are now EXPONENTIALLY bigger through their diligence. I'm sure he appreciates their HELP! On the other hand, as you mentioned, this will probably not be the thing that swings their vote in one direction or another about the guy. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Ok, Judy, apologies accepted, thank you. Moving on, you think I was wrong when I said psychologically raped to Robin. I think I was emotionally upset, as well as overwhelmed by many other inputs. I think I was lacking in psychological development. I think I was lacking in certain communication skills. Nonetheless I think my POV is more accurate and inclusive of the whole truth than yours. And my inner Xeno is smiling wryly about that.   My statements on and about Sept 6 were all genuine expressions of how I was feeling when I wrote them. Even now I assess those posts as accurately reporting that I was very upset with Robin and also giving him the benefit of the doubt because I wanted to see if there was a way to continue being friends. It is true that I was experiencing a mix and range of physical and emotional states from grumpiness to feeling psychologically raped. Mix and range of inner experiences is something humans experience. Though evidently not all humans recognize this fact.   In addition, every time Xeno, Curtis, Steve, feste and others write about this, their clarity and greater objectivity has helped me understand what was often subjective and emotionally challenging for me. So I am grateful to them all for helping me find the words to understand events and individuals that I'm still trying to understand. And I continue to incorporate their understandings and wordings into my thinking and writing about it. EMILY, take note, my incorporating of the insights of others will continue to happen. Judy, it's not that I keep going lower and lower. It's that your assessment of your POV keeps going higher and higher. Indicating only that it's all relative. As for your concern about Robin's reputation, as one poster recently said here, what I said was a blip on the screen in comparison to Robin's own posts. I'd add that the postings of many of his supporters also affects his reputation negatively, as difficult as that might be for them to acknowledge. Reasonable people everywhere will consider all that is pertinent. Or maybe ignore the whole thing. Beyond that it is the workings of karma. From: authfriend authfriend@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2013 10:10 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: J gets another fact wrong and S apologizes to R  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Poor archives, still being selectively eschewed by Judy. Correcting Judy: I joined FFL in May 2012 and Robin rejoined in June 2012. You are absolutely right, my mistake, and my apologies. Robin *first* joined FFL in June 2011, left in January 2012, and returned in June. You joined in May 2012, as you say. Apparently I conflated the two
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Share, Share, Share.I hesitate to weigh in here, but if you think the post below by Curtis is an example of his fine writing I don't know what to tell you. This is just a comment from him supporting an us and them interpretation on your part, which you are apparently loving as it supports an approach you've used over and over - indicating very black and white thinking, IMHO. Curtis can and has put forth some fine writing, no doubt, but this is not it. It's not about Robin Share - it's about you. It's not about Robin's supporters (us and them again), it's about what you said and encouraging you to examine why you used a term that you still have yet to define in a way that supports your continued use of the term or what you posted at the time in question. Curiously, and I continue to ask this of you, although I know you aren't going to do it, can you post a definition of the term that correctly reflects how you were actually feeling initially and how you were feeling after your experience with Robin settled in more definitively - a few weeks later? You now say you were experiencing a range of emotions from grumpiness to psychological rape. That doesn't make any logical sense either as it is highly unlikely you would emotionally maintain such a range *in the moment* and your post indicates only the former. The latter feeling (which was what exactly) would supersede. O.K. It is *your* experience Share, of that only you *know.* But you have yet to explain what it was in terms that even come close to use of the term psychological rape and your posts simply don't reflect it. You now say you were emotionally upset and overwhelmed and lacking psychological development. Are you trying to say that you used the term in error because of your internal landscape at the time? You say your POV is accurate - SHARE, WHAT IS YOUR POINT OF VIEW ON YOUR USE OF THE TERM AT THE TIME YOU USED IT. HOW ARE YOU DEFINING IT WITHIN YOURSELF. FROM AN IDEAS PERSPECTIVE, DEFINING THE TERM IS KEY TO YOUR UNDERSTANDING OF WHETHER IT MIGHT OR MIGHT NOT HAVE BEEN THE CORRECT TERM TO USE. WHY WON'T YOU PUT FORTH AN EXPLANATION OF THIS? IF YOU INCORPORATE FEEDBACK AND FIND THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE ERRED, WHY IS A RETRACTION SUCH A LOATHSOME THING TO DO? Retraction can be a very useful thing. Here, I'll do one for you now. For the record, I retract my entire paragraph speaking to cultural context of the Roustabout song. I had done no research when I wrote that paragraph and other than the idea that cultural context is important in understanding lyrics, the paragraph is garbage and was written quickly with no clear thought process behind it. My apologies to raunchy for posting that back to her in response to the discussion that was unfolding. It was representative of a thought process that was unfolding in my head and was not germane to question of whether the lyrics were describing a gang rape or consensual meeting in the pines. You may not choose to retract your statement. But in consideration to the time and effort that many have spent asking you to explain why you used it - you have still not done this. Until I understand what you mean by that term and how you are defining it for yourself, what is the point of anything that you are writing to attempt to resolve the issue? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Curtis, when I'm rushing in the early morning, I save your posts for reading later. Why? Because just reading them makes me settle down and feel more reasonable and therefore happier. Now that I think of it, this is IMO the highest compliment I can give to a writer. And just now I recognize that such writing here on FFL has evoked in me the desire to be exactly this kind of writer. Hope that's not too mushy. It's strange is it not that we both have these threads going on about the R word?! Hmmm, let us ponder which group is common to both those threads. Let us ponder...never mind! It'll be eight months on May 6! Unbelievable! And with a threat that it will continue. But with today's post I think I've answered all of Judy's continuing concerns so maybe she will drop it now and or go badger Robin about it. And that there last sentence is probably my most deluded thought of all. From: curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 10:21 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: J gets another fact wrong and S apologizes to R  Nice post Share. I'm sure Robin will be along with his apologies for making you feel as though the phrase was the best way to express it. Oddly enough the committee giving lip-service to defending Robin's honor have dragged out the discussion 777 months now, making it a MUCH bigger part of Robin's online legacy than it would have been
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Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 10:21 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: J gets another fact wrong and S apologizes to R Â Nice post Share. I'm sure Robin will be along with his apologies for making you feel as though the phrase was the best way to express it. Oddly enough the committee giving lip-service to defending Robin's honor have dragged out the discussion 777 months now, making it a MUCH bigger part of Robin's online legacy than it would have been if they had just brought up their objections and then DROPPED it. But their desire to get you to say uncle was too strong, so they ended up shredding the doggy pull toy they claimed they were protecting. The chances that this term will be found by anyone looking up Robin are now EXPONENTIALLY bigger through their diligence. I'm sure he appreciates their HELP! On the other hand, as you mentioned, this will probably not be the thing that swings their vote in one direction or another about the guy. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Ok, Judy, apologies accepted, thank you.ÃÂ Moving on, you think I was wrong when I said psychologically raped to Robin.ÃÂ I think I was emotionally upset, as well as overwhelmed by many other inputs.ÃÂ I think I was lacking in psychological development.ÃÂ I think I was lacking in certain communication skills. Nonetheless I think my POV is more accurate and inclusive of the whole truth than yours.ÃÂ And my inner Xeno is smiling wryly about that. ÃÂ ÃÂ My statements on and about Sept 6 were all genuine expressions of how I was feeling when I wrote them.ÃÂ Even now I assess those posts as accurately reporting that I was very upset with Robin and also giving him the benefit of the doubt because I wanted to see if there was a way to continue being friends.ÃÂ It is true that I was experiencing a mix and range of physical and emotional states from grumpiness to feeling psychologically raped.ÃÂ Mix and range of inner experiences is something humans experience.ÃÂ Though evidently not all humans recognize this fact. ÃÂ ÃÂ In addition, every time Xeno, Curtis, Steve, feste and others write about this, their clarity and greater objectivity has helped me understand what was often subjective and emotionally challenging for me.ÃÂ So I am grateful to them all for helping me find the words to understand events and individuals that I'm still trying to understand.ÃÂ And I continue to incorporate their understandings and wordings into my thinking and writing about it.ÃÂ EMILY, take note, my incorporating of the insights of others will continue to happen. Judy, it's not that I keep going lower and lower.ÃÂ It's that your assessment of your POV keeps going higher and higher.ÃÂ Indicating only that it's all relative. As for your concern about Robin's reputation, as one poster recently said here, what I said was a blip on the screen in comparison to Robin's own posts.ÃÂ I'd add that the postings of many of his supporters also affects his reputation negatively, as difficult as that might be for them to acknowledge.ÃÂ Reasonable people everywhere will consider all that is pertinent.ÃÂ Or maybe ignore the whole thing.ÃÂ Beyond that it is the workings of karma. From: authfriend authfriend@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2013 10:10 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: J gets another fact wrong and S apologizes to R ÃÂ --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Poor archives, still being selectively eschewed by Judy. Correcting Judy:ÃÂ I joined FFL in May 2012 and Robin rejoined in June 2012. You are absolutely right, my mistake, and my apologies. Robin *first* joined FFL in June 2011, left in January 2012, and returned in June. You joined in May 2012, as you say. Apparently I conflated the two June dates. I should have double-checked. However, my point stands: You were not new either to FFL or to Robin at the time he made the remarks that you decided four weeks later constituted psychological rape. You had been on FFL for three-and-a-half months, and your conversations with Robin had begun in early July, two months previously. ÃÂ Aren't you all glad I straightened THAT out?!ÃÂ Dear Robin, practicing just in case:ÃÂ please forgive me for not joining FFL in the same month as you did thus rendering Judy a LIAR.ÃÂ I hope you can understand.ÃÂ Shalom and all the best always, Share PSÃÂ May I take this opportunity to wish you Happy Birthday a few days early?ÃÂ
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is common to both those threads. Let us ponder...never mind! It'll be eight months on May 6! Unbelievable! And with a threat that it will continue. But with today's post I think I've answered all of Judy's continuing concerns so maybe she will drop it now and or go badger Robin about it. And that there last sentence is probably my most deluded thought of all. From: curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 10:21 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: J gets another fact wrong and S apologizes to R  Nice post Share. I'm sure Robin will be along with his apologies for making you feel as though the phrase was the best way to express it. Oddly enough the committee giving lip-service to defending Robin's honor have dragged out the discussion 777 months now, making it a MUCH bigger part of Robin's online legacy than it would have been if they had just brought up their objections and then DROPPED it. But their desire to get you to say uncle was too strong, so they ended up shredding the doggy pull toy they claimed they were protecting. The chances that this term will be found by anyone looking up Robin are now EXPONENTIALLY bigger through their diligence. I'm sure he appreciates their HELP! On the other hand, as you mentioned, this will probably not be the thing that swings their vote in one direction or another about the guy. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Ok, Judy, apologies accepted, thank you.àMoving on, you think I was wrong when I said psychologically raped to Robin.àI think I was emotionally upset, as well as overwhelmed by many other inputs.àI think I was lacking in psychological development.àI think I was lacking in certain communication skills. Nonetheless I think my POV is more accurate and inclusive of the whole truth than yours.àAnd my inner Xeno is smiling wryly about that. ààMy statements on and about Sept 6 were all genuine expressions of how I was feeling when I wrote them.àEven now I assess those posts as accurately reporting that I was very upset with Robin and also giving him the benefit of the doubt because I wanted to see if there was a way to continue being friends.àIt is true that I was experiencing a mix and range of physical and emotional states from grumpiness to feeling psychologically raped.àMix and range of inner experiences is something humans experience.àThough evidently not all humans recognize this fact. ààIn addition, every time Xeno, Curtis, Steve, feste and others write about this, their clarity and greater objectivity has helped me understand what was often subjective and emotionally challenging for me.àSo I am grateful to them all for helping me find the words to understand events and individuals that I'm still trying to understand.àAnd I continue to incorporate their understandings and wordings into my thinking and writing about it.àEMILY, take note, my incorporating of the insights of others will continue to happen. Judy, it's not that I keep going lower and lower.àIt's that your assessment of your POV keeps going higher and higher.àIndicating only that it's all relative. As for your concern about Robin's reputation, as one poster recently said here, what I said was a blip on the screen in comparison to Robin's own posts.àI'd add that the postings of many of his supporters also affects his reputation negatively, as difficult as that might be for them to acknowledge.àReasonable people everywhere will consider all that is pertinent.àOr maybe ignore the whole thing.àBeyond that it is the workings of karma. From: authfriend authfriend@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2013 10:10 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: J gets another fact wrong and S apologizes to R à--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Poor archives, still being selectively eschewed by Judy. Correcting Judy:àI joined FFL in May 2012 and Robin rejoined in June 2012. You are absolutely right, my mistake, and my apologies. Robin *first* joined FFL in June 2011, left in January 2012, and returned in June. You joined in May 2012, as you say. Apparently I conflated the two June dates. I should have double-checked. However, my point stands: You were not new either to FFL or to Robin at the time he made the remarks that you decided four weeks later constituted psychological rape. You had been on FFL for three-and-a-half months, and your
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having folks passionately defend a person from slander affects their reputation negatively, to the contrary. Reasonable people everywhere will consider all that is pertinent. One can only hope.  Or maybe ignore the whole thing. Beyond that it is the workings of karma. From: authfriend authfriend@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2013 10:10 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: J gets another fact wrong and S apologizes to R  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Poor archives, still being selectively eschewed by Judy. Correcting Judy: I joined FFL in May 2012 and Robin rejoined in June 2012. You are absolutely right, my mistake, and my apologies. Robin *first* joined FFL in June 2011, left in January 2012, and returned in June. You joined in May 2012, as you say. Apparently I conflated the two June dates. I should have double-checked. However, my point stands: You were not new either to FFL or to Robin at the time he made the remarks that you decided four weeks later constituted psychological rape. You had been on FFL for three-and-a-half months, and your conversations with Robin had begun in early July, two months previously.  Aren't you all glad I straightened THAT out?! Dear Robin, practicing just in case: please forgive me for not joining FFL in the same month as you did thus rendering Judy a LIAR. I hope you can understand. Shalom and all the best always, Share PS May I take this opportunity to wish you Happy Birthday a few days early?Â
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and was written quickly with no clear thought process behind it. My apologies to raunchy for posting that back to her in response to the discussion that was unfolding. It was representative of a thought process that was unfolding in my head and was not germane to question of whether the lyrics were describing a gang rape or consensual meeting in the pines. You may not choose to retract your statement. But in consideration to the time and effort that many have spent asking you to explain why you used it - you have still not done this. Until I understand what you mean by that term and how you are defining it for yourself, what is the point of anything that you are writing to attempt to resolve the issue? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Curtis, when I'm rushing in the early morning, I save your posts for reading later. Why? Because just reading them makes me settle down and feel more reasonable and therefore happier. Now that I think of it, this is IMO the highest compliment I can give to a writer. And just now I recognize that such writing here on FFL has evoked in me the desire to be exactly this kind of writer. Hope that's not too mushy. It's strange is it not that we both have these threads going on about the R word?! Hmmm, let us ponder which group is common to both those threads. Let us ponder...never mind! It'll be eight months on May 6! Unbelievable! And with a threat that it will continue. But with today's post I think I've answered all of Judy's continuing concerns so maybe she will drop it now and or go badger Robin about it. And that there last sentence is probably my most deluded thought of all. From: curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 10:21 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: J gets another fact wrong and S apologizes to R  Nice post Share. I'm sure Robin will be along with his apologies for making you feel as though the phrase was the best way to express it. Oddly enough the committee giving lip-service to defending Robin's honor have dragged out the discussion 777 months now, making it a MUCH bigger part of Robin's online legacy than it would have been if they had just brought up their objections and then DROPPED it. But their desire to get you to say uncle was too strong, so they ended up shredding the doggy pull toy they claimed they were protecting. The chances that this term will be found by anyone looking up Robin are now EXPONENTIALLY bigger through their diligence. I'm sure he appreciates their HELP! On the other hand, as you mentioned, this will probably not be the thing that swings their vote in one direction or another about the guy. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Ok, Judy, apologies accepted, thank you.àMoving on, you think I was wrong when I said psychologically raped to Robin.àI think I was emotionally upset, as well as overwhelmed by many other inputs.àI think I was lacking in psychological development.àI think I was lacking in certain communication skills. Nonetheless I think my POV is more accurate and inclusive of the whole truth than yours.àAnd my inner Xeno is smiling wryly about that. ààMy statements on and about Sept 6 were all genuine expressions of how I was feeling when I wrote them.àEven now I assess those posts as accurately reporting that I was very upset with Robin and also giving him the benefit of the doubt because I wanted to see if there was a way to continue being friends.àIt is true that I was experiencing a mix and range of physical and emotional states from grumpiness to feeling psychologically raped.àMix and range of inner experiences is something humans experience.àThough evidently not all humans recognize this fact. ààIn addition, every time Xeno, Curtis, Steve, feste and others write about this, their clarity and greater objectivity has helped me understand what was often subjective and emotionally challenging for me.àSo I am grateful to them all for helping me find the words to understand events and individuals that I'm still trying to understand.àAnd I continue to incorporate their understandings and wordings into my thinking and writing about it.àEMILY, take note, my incorporating of the insights of others will continue to happen. Judy, it's not that I keep going lower and lower.àIt's that your assessment of your POV keeps going higher and higher.àIndicating only that it's all relative
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experiencing a range of emotions from grumpiness to psychological rape. That doesn't make any logical sense either as it is highly unlikely you would emotionally maintain such a range *in the moment* and your post indicates only the former. The latter feeling (which was what exactly) would supersede. O.K. It is *your* experience Share, of that only you *know.* But you have yet to explain what it was in terms that even come close to use of the term psychological rape and your posts simply don't reflect it. You now say you were emotionally upset and overwhelmed and lacking psychological development. Are you trying to say that you used the term in error because of your internal landscape at the time? You say your POV is accurate - SHARE, WHAT IS YOUR POINT OF VIEW ON YOUR USE OF THE TERM AT THE TIME YOU USED IT. HOW ARE YOU DEFINING IT WITHIN YOURSELF. FROM AN IDEAS PERSPECTIVE, DEFINING THE TERM IS KEY TO YOUR UNDERSTANDING OF WHETHER IT MIGHT OR MIGHT NOT HAVE BEEN THE CORRECT TERM TO USE. WHY WON'T YOU PUT FORTH AN EXPLANATION OF THIS? IF YOU INCORPORATE FEEDBACK AND FIND THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE ERRED, WHY IS A RETRACTION SUCH A LOATHSOME THING TO DO? Retraction can be a very useful thing. Here, I'll do one for you now. For the record, I retract my entire paragraph speaking to cultural context of the Roustabout song. I had done no research when I wrote that paragraph and other than the idea that cultural context is important in understanding lyrics, the paragraph is garbage and was written quickly with no clear thought process behind it. My apologies to raunchy for posting that back to her in response to the discussion that was unfolding. It was representative of a thought process that was unfolding in my head and was not germane to question of whether the lyrics were describing a gang rape or consensual meeting in the pines. You may not choose to retract your statement. But in consideration to the time and effort that many have spent asking you to explain why you used it - you have still not done this. Until I understand what you mean by that term and how you are defining it for yourself, what is the point of anything that you are writing to attempt to resolve the issue? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Curtis, when I'm rushing in the early morning, I save your posts for reading later. Why? Because just reading them makes me settle down and feel more reasonable and therefore happier. Now that I think of it, this is IMO the highest compliment I can give to a writer. And just now I recognize that such writing here on FFL has evoked in me the desire to be exactly this kind of writer. Hope that's not too mushy. It's strange is it not that we both have these threads going on about the R word?! Hmmm, let us ponder which group is common to both those threads. Let us ponder...never mind! It'll be eight months on May 6! Unbelievable! And with a threat that it will continue. But with today's post I think I've answered all of Judy's continuing concerns so maybe she will drop it now and or go badger Robin about it. And that there last sentence is probably my most deluded thought of all. From: curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 10:21 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: J gets another fact wrong and S apologizes to R  Nice post Share. I'm sure Robin will be along with his apologies for making you feel as though the phrase was the best way to express it. Oddly enough the committee giving lip-service to defending Robin's honor have dragged out the discussion 777 months now, making it a MUCH bigger part of Robin's online legacy than it would have been if they had just brought up their objections and then DROPPED it. But their desire to get you to say uncle was too strong, so they ended up shredding the doggy pull toy they claimed they were protecting. The chances that this term will be found by anyone looking up Robin are now EXPONENTIALLY bigger through their diligence. I'm sure he appreciates their HELP! On the other hand, as you mentioned, this will probably not be the thing that swings their vote in one direction or another about the guy. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Ok, Judy, apologies accepted, thank you.àMoving on, you think I was wrong when I said psychologically raped to Robin.àI think I was emotionally upset, as well as overwhelmed by many other inputs.àI think I was lacking
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Judy wrote: Robin spent 25 years in isolation...Share to Judy: my understanding has been that he lived with *Terrence.* Yes, Share, Robin's told us he lived with his best friend during those 25 years, many times. What else do you think I could have meant by isolation? Also, Robin has publically mentioned having a therapist. Irony, snooks. And I've assumed that he continued to have contact with his family because he posted about wrapping Christmas presents back in Dec 12. Boy, do you ever not get Robin. He didn't post about wrapping Christmas presents. That was a throwaway line at the end of a post to Steve. He's said explicitly that he has no contact with his family. Additionally, back in January 13 Emily mentioned something about her * cute cult leader * being on the beach with friends. Right. And you thought she meant Robin? However, maybe all these relationships are recent developments. Or maybe you're very, very confused. Was there some point you wanted to make? I am sure that due to Robin's particular combination of gifts, history and challenges, it would be difficult to find others to connect with. He's never had any trouble connecting with folks on FFL. Except those who are threatened by him, like Barry. However, when I've seen how Curtis for example, tries to get along with Robin and how Robin responds, at first I'm perplexed. And ultimately I think that maybe Robin simply can't help himself. He's got to, as you said, push people until they become interesting enough to have a conversation with! You weren't here for their conversations starting in June 2011. All you've seen is how they relate to each other after their initial relationship, which was brilliant and fascinating, disintegrated. Hostility city. Curtis does not try to get along with Robin. And you've typically blown what I said about pushing people way out of proportion. You don't understand what I was talking about, and frankly I'm not going to waste time trying to explain it to you. Though I do not put such a casual motivation on Robin's interactions. I think he feels compelled to help people be closer to reality. Whether they want his help or not! If I were you, I would stop trying to figure Robin out. Anyway, many FFL people have expressed how they enjoy Robin's presence here. But that doesn't mean that we're willing to let him, as Curtis says, run his number on us. It's delusional to interpret that to mean that FFL has ostracized Robin and such a delusion serves him not at all. Where on *earth* did you get the notion that anybody said anything remotely like FFL has ostracized Robin?? When I mentioned the merudanda poem about Robin coming to FFL to heal, you countered with that he came to FFL to test the healing that had occurred during those 25 years. That implies to me that his healing was deemed done to a good extent if not completely. Done enough to be ready for a test, yes. Do you find the concept puzzling? In any case, I wasn't here when he first joined FFL in June 2011 and I've not scoured those archives so don't know why he left then. Nor why he returned if FFL had been a painful experience. I wouldn't even try if I were you, Share. I guess you aren't going to apologize for falsely calling me a liar, are you? TO EMILY TOO: I think I have clearly answered all concerns about Sept 6, Oct 1 and all the times in between. Unbelievabobble.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Poor archives, still being selectively eschewed by Judy. Correcting Judy: I joined FFL in May 2012 and Robin rejoined in June 2012. You are absolutely right, my mistake, and my apologies. Robin *first* joined FFL in June 2011, left in January 2012, and returned in June. You joined in May 2012, as you say. Apparently I conflated the two June dates. I should have double-checked. However, my point stands: You were not new either to FFL or to Robin at the time he made the remarks that you decided four weeks later constituted psychological rape. You had been on FFL for three-and-a-half months, and your conversations with Robin had begun in early July, two months previously. Aren't you all glad I straightened THAT out?! Dear Robin, practicing just in case: please forgive me for not joining FFL in the same month as you did thus rendering Judy a LIAR. I hope you can understand. Shalom and all the best always, Share PS May I take this opportunity to wish you Happy Birthday a few days early?
