[FairfieldLife] Re: Juggling Siddhi

2006-03-31 Thread sparaig
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   http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4776181634656145640
   
   Four-minute Google video of Chris Bliss
   (be sure your speakers are on)
  
  OK.  On the same Google page there's a link to
  a Chris Bliss Juggling Parody video.
  
  This must really be inside-juggling.  It looks
  almost as impressive to me as Chris Bliss.  Why
  is this a parody, anybody have any idea?
  
  Here's the link:
  
  http://tinyurl.com/pw6f6
 
 
 Both juggling performances were really excellent...and highlyr 
 recommended for all to see!
 
 I think it was improperly named a parody.  It should have been 
 named Outdoing Chris Bliss 'cause 5 balls (or was it four?) were 
 used instead of 3.
 
 Why did the second guy feel he had to be in competition with 
Bliss?  
 At least that's the impression I got 'cause he used the same 
 soundtrack...AND the same audience sounds from the Bliss 
 performance...so there was a little tinge of sourgrapes that took 
 away from the second performance.


Its mocking the audience that always cheers at the wrong moment.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Juggling Siddhi

2006-03-31 Thread sparaig
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 If you click on the blue all  near the top right,
 it implies that it is the juggler's use of five balls
 instead of three that is the parody. It seems
 like they just have a different interpretation of the
 world parody. 
  

The parody of the audience cheering over a bunch of simple tricks put 
together artfully.

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 http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4776181634656145640
   
   Four-minute Google video of Chris Bliss
   (be sure your speakers are on)
  
  OK.  On the same Google page there's a link to
  a Chris Bliss Juggling Parody video.
  
  This must really be inside-juggling.  It looks
  almost as impressive to me as Chris Bliss.  Why
  is this a parody, anybody have any idea?
  
  Here's the link:
  
  http://tinyurl.com/pw6f6
  
  
  
  
  
  
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Juggling Siddhi

2006-03-31 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
 
  http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4776181634656145640
  
  Four-minute Google video of Chris Bliss
  (be sure your speakers are on)
 
 OK.  On the same Google page there's a link to
 a Chris Bliss Juggling Parody video.
 
 This must really be inside-juggling.  It looks
 almost as impressive to me as Chris Bliss.  Why
 is this a parody, anybody have any idea?
 
 Here's the link:
 
 http://tinyurl.com/pw6f6


Actually, the joke is on you (and all of Chris Bliss's cheering 
fans): the parody juggling was a much more difficult act...

MUCH more difficult. By an order of magnitude at least.

It's a prime example of an old juggler's saying: the audience doesn't 
know shit about juggling. That's the joke. The parody (or mocking, to 
be honest) is really of the cheering audience.

Mind you, I agree that Chris Bliss did a much more polished 
performance, and it certainly LOOKED hard, but most of the tricks he 
did were standard 3-ball juggling tricks. I can do maybe a quarter of 
them and I'm out of practice. 

On the other hand, consider the difficulty of the pardody: I've been 
juggling for decades and still haven't gotten 5-ball juggling down, 
let alone 5 balls IN ONE HAND!!!

OMG.  And I bet you yawned at that trick.

Bet you yawn at 4 clubs but ooh and ah over 3 burning torches or 3 
knives. Same thing: juggling 4 clubs is hard. The torches and knives 
are always high-end professional equipment (well, my knives are 
cheapo and only cost me $115 for 3) and are perfectly balanced unlike 
many clubs so if you can do 3 clubs, of course you can do 3 juggling 
knives or torches with a little practice to get used to the burning 
and the nervousness of the blade (which usually isn't a blade, but a 
piece of flat metal scored to make it reflect like one).

I can do 3 burning balls with almost no injuries, even though I don't 
have access to the best cool-buring oil for the wicks but it looks 
really cool to have 3 flaming objects  in the air, even though its 
only marginally more difficult than three beanbags.

Again: the joke is making fun of the audience that cheered over a 
bunch of simple 3 ball tricks. Mind you, I thought it was a very good 
performance also, but the parody would have gotten an audience of 
jugglers cheering.










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[FairfieldLife] Re: Juggling Siddhi

2006-03-31 Thread sparaig
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wrote:
  
   http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4776181634656145640
   
   Four-minute Google video of Chris Bliss
   (be sure your speakers are on)
  
  OK.  On the same Google page there's a link to
  a Chris Bliss Juggling Parody video.
  
  This must really be inside-juggling.  It looks
  almost as impressive to me as Chris Bliss.  Why
  is this a parody, anybody have any idea?
  
  Here's the link:
  
  http://tinyurl.com/pw6f6
 
 
 
 His rhythm isn't as spot on as Chris Bliss's but he's also great to
 watch :-) Twice as many balls in the air?
 
 JohnY


5-ball tricks instead of 3. I can do 3 balls in many of the patterns 
Chris BLiss used, and occassionally 4. I don't think i've ever 
managed to do 5 in ANY pattern in my 20+ years of on and off juggling.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Juggling Siddhi

2006-03-31 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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 If you click on the blue all  near the top right,
 it implies that it is the juggler's use of five balls
 instead of three that is the parody. It seems
 like they just have a different interpretation of the
 world parody.

You mean, it's not supposed to be funny, it's more like,
Take this, Bliss!--a can-you-top-this kind of thing?

Hmm, maybe so.  The audio was taken from the Chris Bliss
video, complete with audience response.

I thought it was something jugglers would find
hysterical, but you had to *be* a juggler to know
what the joke was!

 

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 http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4776181634656145640
   
   Four-minute Google video of Chris Bliss
   (be sure your speakers are on)
  
  OK.  On the same Google page there's a link to
  a Chris Bliss Juggling Parody video.
  
  This must really be inside-juggling.  It looks
  almost as impressive to me as Chris Bliss.  Why
  is this a parody, anybody have any idea?
  
  Here's the link:
  
  http://tinyurl.com/pw6f6
  
  
  
  
  
  
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Juggling Siddhi

2006-03-31 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ 
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ 
wrote:
  
   http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4776181634656145640
   
   Four-minute Google video of Chris Bliss
   (be sure your speakers are on)
  
  OK.  On the same Google page there's a link to
  a Chris Bliss Juggling Parody video.
  
  This must really be inside-juggling.  It looks
  almost as impressive to me as Chris Bliss.  Why
  is this a parody, anybody have any idea?
  
  Here's the link:
  
  http://tinyurl.com/pw6f6
 
 
 Both juggling performances were really excellent...and highlyr 
 recommended for all to see!
 
 I think it was improperly named a parody.  It should have been 
 named Outdoing Chris Bliss 'cause 5 balls (or was it four?) were 
 used instead of 3.

Yeah, I think that's what gullible fool was suggesting.

 Why did the second guy feel he had to be in competition with
 Bliss?  
 At least that's the impression I got 'cause he used the same 
 soundtrack...AND the same audience sounds from the Bliss 
 performance...so there was a little tinge of sourgrapes that took 
 away from the second performance.

Oh, gee, I dunno, why shouldn't jugglers compete with
one another?







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Juggling Siddhi

2006-03-31 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool ffl@ 
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  If you click on the blue all  near the top right,
  it implies that it is the juggler's use of five balls
  instead of three that is the parody. It seems
  like they just have a different interpretation of the
  world parody. 
 
 The parody of the audience cheering over a bunch of simple tricks
 put together artfully.

Those were *simple* tricks??

That was the only thing I could think of that would
make it an actual parody, but that only jugglers
would find funny.  But the idea of those routines
being *simple* was just too mind-boggling, so I
figured that couldn't be it.


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   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend
   jstein@ wrote:
   
  http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4776181634656145640

Four-minute Google video of Chris Bliss
(be sure your speakers are on)
   
   OK.  On the same Google page there's a link to
   a Chris Bliss Juggling Parody video.
   
   This must really be inside-juggling.  It looks
   almost as impressive to me as Chris Bliss.  Why
   is this a parody, anybody have any idea?
   
   Here's the link:
   
   http://tinyurl.com/pw6f6






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Juggling Siddhi

2006-03-31 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ 
wrote:
  
   http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4776181634656145640
   
   Four-minute Google video of Chris Bliss
   (be sure your speakers are on)
  
  OK.  On the same Google page there's a link to
  a Chris Bliss Juggling Parody video.
  
  This must really be inside-juggling.  It looks
  almost as impressive to me as Chris Bliss.  Why
  is this a parody, anybody have any idea?
  
  Here's the link:
  
  http://tinyurl.com/pw6f6
 
 Actually, the joke is on you (and all of Chris Bliss's cheering 
 fans): the parody juggling was a much more difficult act...
 
 MUCH more difficult. By an order of magnitude at least.

Ah, OK, I got it now!  That makes sense.

Now that I look, the parody juggler is described
in the little blurb as a juggling enthusiast, so
he's apparently not a big star in the juggling world.

 It's a prime example of an old juggler's saying: the audience 
 doesn't know shit about juggling.

No kidding.  I sure didn't have a clue.  That must be
a bit frustrating for top-notch jugglers, no?  What
motivates them if the audience can't tell the difference?

Must be a don't-be-attached-to-results thing.  Maybe
juggling is really a technique for enlightenment...



 That's the joke. The parody (or mocking, to 
 be honest) is really of the cheering audience.
 
 Mind you, I agree that Chris Bliss did a much more polished 
 performance, and it certainly LOOKED hard, but most of the tricks 
he 
 did were standard 3-ball juggling tricks. I can do maybe a quarter 
of 
 them and I'm out of practice. 
 
 On the other hand, consider the difficulty of the pardody: I've 
been 
 juggling for decades and still haven't gotten 5-ball juggling down, 
 let alone 5 balls IN ONE HAND!!!
 
 OMG.  And I bet you yawned at that trick.
 
 Bet you yawn at 4 clubs but ooh and ah over 3 burning torches or 3 
 knives. Same thing: juggling 4 clubs is hard. The torches and 
knives 
 are always high-end professional equipment (well, my knives are 
 cheapo and only cost me $115 for 3) and are perfectly balanced 
unlike 
 many clubs so if you can do 3 clubs, of course you can do 3 
juggling 
 knives or torches with a little practice to get used to the burning 
 and the nervousness of the blade (which usually isn't a blade, but 
a 
 piece of flat metal scored to make it reflect like one).
 
 I can do 3 burning balls with almost no injuries, even though I 
don't 
 have access to the best cool-buring oil for the wicks but it looks 
 really cool to have 3 flaming objects  in the air, even though its 
 only marginally more difficult than three beanbags.
 
 Again: the joke is making fun of the audience that cheered over a 
 bunch of simple 3 ball tricks. Mind you, I thought it was a very 
good 
 performance also, but the parody would have gotten an audience of 
 jugglers cheering.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Juggling Siddhi

2006-03-31 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ 
wrote:
  
   http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4776181634656145640
   
   Four-minute Google video of Chris Bliss
   (be sure your speakers are on)
  
  OK.  On the same Google page there's a link to
  a Chris Bliss Juggling Parody video.
  
  This must really be inside-juggling.  It looks
  almost as impressive to me as Chris Bliss.  Why
  is this a parody, anybody have any idea?
  
  Here's the link:
  
  http://tinyurl.com/pw6f6
 
 
 Actually, the joke is on you (and all of Chris Bliss's cheering 
 fans): the parody juggling was a much more difficult act...




Entertainment is entertainment is entertainment.

If some elitist juggling snobs somewhere think what Chris Bliss did 
was average or amateurish then that's there problem.

From what I can tell, Bliss' main profession is as a comedian and 
the juggling is a sideline.  Well, more power to him for taking his 
comedy audience and entertaining them with what looks to THIS 
layman's uneducated eyes with great entertainment.

I'm sure that in the world of professional banjo players that Steve 
Martin is just a rank amateur.  But the fact that he used to 
intersperse his comedy act with his banjo-playing and entertained 
people is all that matters.

And, by the way, Bliss did his flawless juggling in front of a live 
audience.  As wonderful as the parody guy's juggling was, he didn't 
do it in front of a live audience...wonder how flawless it would 
have been had he been on the same level playing field as Bliss...







 
 MUCH more difficult. By an order of magnitude at least.
 
 It's a prime example of an old juggler's saying: the audience 
doesn't 
 know shit about juggling. That's the joke. The parody (or mocking, 
to 
 be honest) is really of the cheering audience.
 
 Mind you, I agree that Chris Bliss did a much more polished 
 performance, and it certainly LOOKED hard, but most of the tricks 
he 
 did were standard 3-ball juggling tricks. I can do maybe a quarter 
of 
 them and I'm out of practice. 
 
 On the other hand, consider the difficulty of the pardody: I've 
been 
 juggling for decades and still haven't gotten 5-ball juggling 
down, 
 let alone 5 balls IN ONE HAND!!!
 
 OMG.  And I bet you yawned at that trick.
 
 Bet you yawn at 4 clubs but ooh and ah over 3 burning torches or 3 
 knives. Same thing: juggling 4 clubs is hard. The torches and 
knives 
 are always high-end professional equipment (well, my knives are 
 cheapo and only cost me $115 for 3) and are perfectly balanced 
unlike 
 many clubs so if you can do 3 clubs, of course you can do 3 
juggling 
 knives or torches with a little practice to get used to the 
burning 
 and the nervousness of the blade (which usually isn't a blade, but 
a 
 piece of flat metal scored to make it reflect like one).
 
 I can do 3 burning balls with almost no injuries, even though I 
don't 
 have access to the best cool-buring oil for the wicks but it looks 
 really cool to have 3 flaming objects  in the air, even though its 
 only marginally more difficult than three beanbags.
 
 Again: the joke is making fun of the audience that cheered over a 
 bunch of simple 3 ball tricks. Mind you, I thought it was a very 
good 
 performance also, but the parody would have gotten an audience 
of 
 jugglers cheering.







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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Juggling Siddhi

2006-03-31 Thread Rick Archer
on 3/31/06 2:31 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I'm sure that in the world of professional banjo players that Steve
 Martin is just a rank amateur.  But the fact that he used to
 intersperse his comedy act with his banjo-playing and entertained
 people is all that matters.

We in the professional balloon animals union think Steve Martin's a Jerk.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Juggling Siddhi

2006-03-31 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

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  If you click on the blue all  near the top right,
  it implies that it is the juggler's use of five balls
  instead of three that is the parody. It seems
  like they just have a different interpretation of the
  world parody.
 
 You mean, it's not supposed to be funny, it's more like,
 Take this, Bliss!--a can-you-top-this kind of thing?
 
 Hmm, maybe so.  The audio was taken from the Chris Bliss
 video, complete with audience response.
 
 I thought it was something jugglers would find
 hysterical, but you had to *be* a juggler to know
 what the joke was!
 


Like I said, the joke is the audience cheering about a bunch of 3-
ball tricks artfully strung together. As a *performance*, it's top-
notch.

As a demonstration of juggling proficiency? It's a professional 
juggler showing off a bunch of beginning/intermediate tricks in time 
to music.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Juggling Siddhi

2006-03-31 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool ffl@ 
  wrote:
  
   If you click on the blue all  near the top right,
   it implies that it is the juggler's use of five balls
   instead of three that is the parody. It seems
   like they just have a different interpretation of the
   world parody.
  
  You mean, it's not supposed to be funny, it's more like,
  Take this, Bliss!--a can-you-top-this kind of thing?
  
  Hmm, maybe so.  The audio was taken from the Chris Bliss
  video, complete with audience response.
  
  I thought it was something jugglers would find
  hysterical, but you had to *be* a juggler to know
  what the joke was!
  
 
 
 Like I said, the joke is the audience cheering about a bunch of 3-
 ball tricks artfully strung together. As a *performance*, it's top-
 notch.
 
 As a demonstration of juggling proficiency? It's a professional 
 juggler showing off a bunch of beginning/intermediate tricks in 
time 
 to music.



As long as it's entertaining, who gives a flying fuck?






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Juggling Siddhi

2006-03-31 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool ffl@ 
  wrote:
  
   
   If you click on the blue all  near the top right,
   it implies that it is the juggler's use of five balls
   instead of three that is the parody. It seems
   like they just have a different interpretation of the
   world parody. 
  
  The parody of the audience cheering over a bunch of simple tricks
  put together artfully.
 
 Those were *simple* tricks??

Virtually all of them are found in the book _Three Ball Digest_ by 
Dick Franco. From the forward:

Three ball juggling is the foundation of all other toss juggling. If 
you are going to be a juggler, this is the stuff you will need to 
know. Everything else you go on to learn will be derived from the 
basics with three balls. Used either as exercises leading up to other 
varieties of juggling, or as an end in themselves, the three-ball 
lessons included in this book will provide you with an education as 
well as entertainment.

While many people continue on to explore other numbers or shapes, the 
simple juggling of three balls is a worthy goal in and of itself. A 
three ball routine is argueably the purest most elemental form of 
juggling. As such, the performer using three balls is able to display 
his personality more effectivelythan while juggling larger items or a 
greater number of props. The audience can better relate to the 
performaer as a person when their are fewer objects cluttering up the 
air between them. Three ball juggling allows for freedom of motion 
and emotion...
-- Alan Howard, Foward to _Three Ball Digest_


Mind you, I thought Chris Bliss's performance was worthy of a 
standing ovation *as a performance*. However, the audience was 
clapping and cheering at the simplest of tricks as though they were 
the greatest thing since sliced bread. That's the mark of a great 
performer, to be sure. Segovia could play a simple study and bring 
tears to your eyes but that's his *artistry* not the technical 
difficulty of what he was doing.



 
 That was the only thing I could think of that would
 make it an actual parody, but that only jugglers
 would find funny.  But the idea of those routines
 being *simple* was just too mind-boggling, so I
 figured that couldn't be it.

Here's what Dick Franco says in his introduction to the book:

The three ball cascade, although the simplest pattern of three 
object juggling, is quite difficutl to learn without instruction. 
Most people who try to juggle three balls have no idea what the 
mechanics of a cascade consist of. Without instruction, most people 
make little progress and after a few disasterous tries, give up in 
frustration...








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Juggling Siddhi

2006-03-31 Thread sparaig
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 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ 
wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ 
 wrote:
   
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4776181634656145640

Four-minute Google video of Chris Bliss
(be sure your speakers are on)
   
   OK.  On the same Google page there's a link to
   a Chris Bliss Juggling Parody video.
   
   This must really be inside-juggling.  It looks
   almost as impressive to me as Chris Bliss.  Why
   is this a parody, anybody have any idea?
   
   Here's the link:
   
   http://tinyurl.com/pw6f6
  
  Actually, the joke is on you (and all of Chris Bliss's cheering 
  fans): the parody juggling was a much more difficult act...
  
  MUCH more difficult. By an order of magnitude at least.
 
 Ah, OK, I got it now!  That makes sense.
 
 Now that I look, the parody juggler is described
 in the little blurb as a juggling enthusiast, so
 he's apparently not a big star in the juggling world.
 
  It's a prime example of an old juggler's saying: the audience 
  doesn't know shit about juggling.
 
 No kidding.  I sure didn't have a clue.  That must be
 a bit frustrating for top-notch jugglers, no?  What
 motivates them if the audience can't tell the difference?

Why do acters act? They like the audience. 

Jugglers say there are several kinds of tricks: those that look easy 
and are easy. Those that are easy and look hard. Those that are hard 
and look easier than they are and those that are hard and look hard.

The audience wants to watch the hard-looking tricks. Jugglers give 
the audience what they want, just like any other performaer. 
Occassionally, they throw in stuff to wow other jugglers or to keep 
from getting totally bored, but the audience is paying, not the other 
jugglers.



 
 Must be a don't-be-attached-to-results thing.  Maybe
 juggling is really a technique for enlightenment...
 
 

Nyah, except that it's a physical skill that requires lots of 
practice and gets quite aerobic when you're learning a new trick 
(the drop is the most important trick a juggler ever learns -that 
and the pick up which together you practice thousands and thousands 
of times --old juggler's joke).

Mind you, I can't do all the tricks that Chris Bliss does. Partly 
because I never got THAT into it and partly because my shoulders 
don't work right, or so I keep telling myself. I can't throw from 
behind to front at all. On the other hand, I can take my key ring 
with a bunch of keys on it, and throw it from the front to behind my 
back and sometimes, at least, catch it by my car key several times in 
a row, which most jugglers can't do. It's not something an audience 
can see though, so it's not that great a trick though its great for 
bragging rights with jugglers who can do a lot of things I can't.

My best juggling trick is the 4-ball pyramid of contact juggling. I 
can't do it with either hand like this guy does and I can't pass a 
pyramid from hand to hand at all, but I'm working on it. I can do 
most of the other tricks in these contact-juggling videos too, but 
nowhere near as polished. That's where the WORK comes in:

http://tinyurl.com/ggkbl










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[FairfieldLife] Re: Juggling Siddhi

2006-03-31 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ 
wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ 
 wrote:
   
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4776181634656145640

Four-minute Google video of Chris Bliss
(be sure your speakers are on)
   
   OK.  On the same Google page there's a link to
   a Chris Bliss Juggling Parody video.
   
   This must really be inside-juggling.  It looks
   almost as impressive to me as Chris Bliss.  Why
   is this a parody, anybody have any idea?
   
   Here's the link:
   
   http://tinyurl.com/pw6f6
  
  
  Actually, the joke is on you (and all of Chris Bliss's cheering 
  fans): the parody juggling was a much more difficult act...
 
 
 
 
 Entertainment is entertainment is entertainment.
 
 If some elitist juggling snobs somewhere think what Chris Bliss did 
 was average or amateurish then that's there problem.
 
 From what I can tell, Bliss' main profession is as a comedian and 
 the juggling is a sideline.  Well, more power to him for taking his 
 comedy audience and entertaining them with what looks to THIS 
 layman's uneducated eyes with great entertainment.
 
 I'm sure that in the world of professional banjo players that Steve 
 Martin is just a rank amateur.  But the fact that he used to 
 intersperse his comedy act with his banjo-playing and entertained 
 people is all that matters.
 
 And, by the way, Bliss did his flawless juggling in front of a live 
 audience.  As wonderful as the parody guy's juggling was, he didn't 
 do it in front of a live audience...wonder how flawless it would 
 have been had he been on the same level playing field as Bliss...
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  
  MUCH more difficult. By an order of magnitude at least.
  
  It's a prime example of an old juggler's saying: the audience 
 doesn't 
  know shit about juggling. That's the joke. The parody (or 
mocking, 
 to 
  be honest) is really of the cheering audience.
  
  Mind you, I agree that Chris Bliss did a much more polished 
  performance, and it certainly LOOKED hard, but most of the tricks 
 he 
  did were standard 3-ball juggling tricks. I can do maybe a 
quarter 
 of 
  them and I'm out of practice. 
  
  On the other hand, consider the difficulty of the pardody: I've 
 been 
  juggling for decades and still haven't gotten 5-ball juggling 
 down, 
  let alone 5 balls IN ONE HAND!!!
  
  OMG.  And I bet you yawned at that trick.
  
  Bet you yawn at 4 clubs but ooh and ah over 3 burning torches or 
3 
  knives. Same thing: juggling 4 clubs is hard. The torches and 
 knives 
  are always high-end professional equipment (well, my knives are 
  cheapo and only cost me $115 for 3) and are perfectly balanced 
 unlike 
  many clubs so if you can do 3 clubs, of course you can do 3 
 juggling 
  knives or torches with a little practice to get used to the 
 burning 
  and the nervousness of the blade (which usually isn't a blade, 
but 
 a 
  piece of flat metal scored to make it reflect like one).
  
  I can do 3 burning balls with almost no injuries, even though I 
 don't 
  have access to the best cool-buring oil for the wicks but it 
looks 
  really cool to have 3 flaming objects  in the air, even though 
its 
  only marginally more difficult than three beanbags.
  
  Again: the joke is making fun of the audience that cheered over a 
  bunch of simple 3 ball tricks. Mind you, I thought it was a very 
 good 
  performance also, but the parody would have gotten an audience 
 of 
  jugglers cheering.
 


ALl good points. I thought that the performance was excellent, BTW. 
However, the individual tricks were all beginning level.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Juggling Siddhi

2006-03-31 Thread sparaig
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 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ 
wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool ffl@ 
   wrote:
   
If you click on the blue all  near the top right,
it implies that it is the juggler's use of five balls
instead of three that is the parody. It seems
like they just have a different interpretation of the
world parody.
   
   You mean, it's not supposed to be funny, it's more like,
   Take this, Bliss!--a can-you-top-this kind of thing?
   
   Hmm, maybe so.  The audio was taken from the Chris Bliss
   video, complete with audience response.
   
   I thought it was something jugglers would find
   hysterical, but you had to *be* a juggler to know
   what the joke was!
   
  
  
  Like I said, the joke is the audience cheering about a bunch of 3-
  ball tricks artfully strung together. As a *performance*, it's 
top-
  notch.
  
  As a demonstration of juggling proficiency? It's a professional 
  juggler showing off a bunch of beginning/intermediate tricks in 
 time 
  to music.
 
 
 
 As long as it's entertaining, who gives a flying fuck?


LIke I said, I thought the performance was worthy of a standing 
ovation. The individual tricks weren't anything to write home about, 
by juggling standards, however.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Juggling Siddhi

2006-03-31 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
snip
  No kidding.  I sure didn't have a clue.  That must be
  a bit frustrating for top-notch jugglers, no?  What
  motivates them if the audience can't tell the difference?
 
 Why do acters act? They like the audience. 
 
 Jugglers say there are several kinds of tricks: those that look 
easy 
 and are easy. Those that are easy and look hard. Those that are 
hard 
 and look easier than they are and those that are hard and look hard.
 
 The audience wants to watch the hard-looking tricks. Jugglers give 
 the audience what they want, just like any other performaer. 
 Occassionally, they throw in stuff to wow other jugglers or to keep 
 from getting totally bored, but the audience is paying, not the 
other 
 jugglers.
 
  Must be a don't-be-attached-to-results thing.  Maybe
  juggling is really a technique for enlightenment...
 
 Nyah, except that it's a physical skill that requires lots of 
 practice and gets quite aerobic when you're learning a new trick 
 (the drop is the most important trick a juggler ever learns -that 
 and the pick up which together you practice thousands and 
thousands 
 of times --old juggler's joke).
 
 Mind you, I can't do all the tricks that Chris Bliss does. Partly 
 because I never got THAT into it and partly because my shoulders 
 don't work right, or so I keep telling myself. I can't throw from 
 behind to front at all. On the other hand, I can take my key ring 
 with a bunch of keys on it, and throw it from the front to behind 
my 
 back and sometimes, at least, catch it by my car key several times 
in 
 a row, which most jugglers can't do. It's not something an audience 
 can see though, so it's not that great a trick though its great for 
 bragging rights with jugglers who can do a lot of things I can't.
 
 My best juggling trick is the 4-ball pyramid of contact juggling. I 
 can't do it with either hand like this guy does and I can't pass a 
 pyramid from hand to hand at all, but I'm working on it. I can do 
 most of the other tricks in these contact-juggling videos too, but 
 nowhere near as polished. That's where the WORK comes in:
 
 http://tinyurl.com/ggkbl

Now, see, if you hadn't made it clear this was difficult,
I would have thought it was pretty easy, much easier than
throwing things in the air and catching them.

Thanks, Lawson, very interesting stuff.  I learned
something new.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Juggling Siddhi

2006-03-31 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
snip
  Like I said, the joke is the audience cheering about a bunch of 3-
  ball tricks artfully strung together. As a *performance*, it's 
  top-notch.
  
  As a demonstration of juggling proficiency? It's a professional 
  juggler showing off a bunch of beginning/intermediate tricks in 
  time to music.
 
 As long as it's entertaining, who gives a flying fuck?

Nobody said there was anything wrong with it, Shemp.

Remember how this started: I was puzzled about the
second video being labeled a parody.  Lawson's
explaining *why* it's a parody.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Juggling Siddhi

2006-03-31 Thread sparaig
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[...]
  http://tinyurl.com/ggkbl
 
 Now, see, if you hadn't made it clear this was difficult,
 I would have thought it was pretty easy, much easier than
 throwing things in the air and catching them.
 
 Thanks, Lawson, very interesting stuff.  I learned
 something new.


I'm the only juggler in Tucson, AZ I've met who can do a 4-ball 
pyramid. I've heard of others. It is a damn hard trick.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Juggling Siddhi

2006-03-31 Thread sparaig
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[...]
 Thanks, Lawson, very interesting stuff.  I learned
 something new.


If you want to see what a REAL contact juggler looks like, check this 
guy out. He pretty much perfected the art. He and Penn Jillette of 
Penn  Teller were street magicians back when they were kids:

http://www.michaelmoschen.com/press.html

If you want the background to the parody video, here's the original 
webiste:

http://www.jasongarfield.com/pennradio.html

Personally, I think he's a bit harsh in his evaluation of Chris 
Bliss, but given the difference between 5-ball juggling, and 3-ball 
juggling, I can understand the frustration with everyone oohing over 
the three-ball routine and ignoring the top jugglers who have spent 
decades working on the craft. 






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Juggling Siddhi

2006-03-31 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
 
 [...]
  Thanks, Lawson, very interesting stuff.  I learned
  something new.
 
 
 If you want to see what a REAL contact juggler looks like, check 
this 
 guy out. He pretty much perfected the art. He and Penn Jillette of 
 Penn  Teller were street magicians back when they were kids:
 
 http://www.michaelmoschen.com/press.html

Aah, all his videos are Macromedia Flash, which I haven't
installed.  Later, maybe.

 If you want the background to the parody video, here's the original 
 webiste:
 
 http://www.jasongarfield.com/pennradio.html
 
 Personally, I think he's a bit harsh in his evaluation of Chris 
 Bliss, but given the difference between 5-ball juggling, and 3-ball 
 juggling, I can understand the frustration with everyone oohing 
 over the three-ball routine and ignoring the top jugglers who have 
 spent decades working on the craft.

He's quite the crusader, isn't he?

I have the sense that he may be missing what it is
about juggling that thrills the audience.  It's that
you can't believe what you're seeing.  The thing is,
there aren't any *gradations* beyond that.  It's
either, Oh, I could do that if I worked at it, or,
Oh, my God, that's *impossible*, *nobody* can do
what he's doing!

And once you get beyond the I could do that level
to the Nobody can do that level, the layperson
isn't going to be any more impressed by the world's
best juggler than by Chris Bliss.  That's as impressed
as s/he can *get*.

If Chris Bliss were swaggering around claiming to be
the world's best juggler, that would warrant Garfield's
scorn, but if he isn't, tough beans.  World-class
jugglers need to realize they're only working to impress
other jugglers.  It's just the nature of the beast.

Or so it seems to me.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Juggling Siddhi

2006-03-31 Thread Nelson
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

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 [...]
  Thanks, Lawson, very interesting stuff.  I learned
  something new.
 
 
 If you want to see what a REAL contact juggler looks like, check this 
 guy out. He pretty much perfected the art. He and Penn Jillette of 
 Penn  Teller were street magicians back when they were kids:
 
 http://www.michaelmoschen.com/press.html
 
 If you want the background to the parody video, here's the original 
 webiste:
 
 http://www.jasongarfield.com/pennradio.html
 
 Personally, I think he's a bit harsh in his evaluation of Chris 
 Bliss, but given the difference between 5-ball juggling, and 3-ball 
 juggling, I can understand the frustration with everyone oohing over 
 the three-ball routine and ignoring the top jugglers who have spent 
 decades working on the craft.

 I was a friend of Michael's sister in the early nineties and got
to know how seriously he worked at his art.
 With that sort of intensity, I had wondered if he would burn out
soon so it is nice to see he survived.   N.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Juggling Siddhi

2006-03-31 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
  
  [...]
   Thanks, Lawson, very interesting stuff.  I learned
   something new.
  
  
  If you want to see what a REAL contact juggler looks like, check 
 this 
  guy out. He pretty much perfected the art. He and Penn Jillette of 
  Penn  Teller were street magicians back when they were kids:
  
  http://www.michaelmoschen.com/press.html
 
 Aah, all his videos are Macromedia Flash, which I haven't
 installed.  Later, maybe.
 

I'll see if I can find some QT movies or av's. He's quite a sight. PBS used to 
use one of his 
videos for fund-raising I think.

  If you want the background to the parody video, here's the original 
  webiste:
  
  http://www.jasongarfield.com/pennradio.html
  
  Personally, I think he's a bit harsh in his evaluation of Chris 
  Bliss, but given the difference between 5-ball juggling, and 3-ball 
  juggling, I can understand the frustration with everyone oohing 
  over the three-ball routine and ignoring the top jugglers who have 
  spent decades working on the craft.
 
 He's quite the crusader, isn't he?

He's more than a bit arrogant, I agree. He's also the world champion from 2004, 
which is 
more than a bit impressive.

 
 I have the sense that he may be missing what it is
 about juggling that thrills the audience.  It's that
 you can't believe what you're seeing.  The thing is,
 there aren't any *gradations* beyond that.  It's
 either, Oh, I could do that if I worked at it, or,
 Oh, my God, that's *impossible*, *nobody* can do
 what he's doing!
 
 And once you get beyond the I could do that level
 to the Nobody can do that level, the layperson
 isn't going to be any more impressed by the world's
 best juggler than by Chris Bliss.  That's as impressed
 as s/he can *get*.
 
 If Chris Bliss were swaggering around claiming to be
 the world's best juggler, that would warrant Garfield's
 scorn, but if he isn't, tough beans.  World-class
 jugglers need to realize they're only working to impress
 other jugglers.  It's just the nature of the beast.
 
 Or so it seems to me.


I think you're right. In _Stranger in a Strange Land_, Valentine Michael puts 
on a REAL 
magic show in a carnival, but everyone yawns because he doesnt know how to 
relate to the 
audience. I once saw Doug Henning use a $50 magic trick and wow an audience for 
15 
minutes with his patter at one of the World Peace Assemblies. The difference 
between a 
showman and an artiste I guess though Doug was an artiste also.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Juggling Siddhi

2006-03-31 Thread authfriend
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 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
 
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wrote:
   
   [...]
Thanks, Lawson, very interesting stuff.  I learned
something new.
   
   
   If you want to see what a REAL contact juggler looks like, 
check 
  this 
   guy out. He pretty much perfected the art. He and Penn Jillette 
of 
   Penn  Teller were street magicians back when they were kids:
   
   http://www.michaelmoschen.com/press.html
  
  Aah, all his videos are Macromedia Flash, which I haven't
  installed.  Later, maybe.
  
 
 I'll see if I can find some QT movies or av's.

Anything but Qucktime.  I won't have it on my system.

 He's quite a sight. PBS used to use one of his 
 videos for fund-raising I think.

Love to see it if you could find an mpg or something.

snip
  I have the sense that he may be missing what it is
  about juggling that thrills the audience.  It's that
  you can't believe what you're seeing.  The thing is,
  there aren't any *gradations* beyond that.  It's
  either, Oh, I could do that if I worked at it, or,
  Oh, my God, that's *impossible*, *nobody* can do
  what he's doing!
  
  And once you get beyond the I could do that level
  to the Nobody can do that level, the layperson
  isn't going to be any more impressed by the world's
  best juggler than by Chris Bliss.  That's as impressed
  as s/he can *get*.
  
  If Chris Bliss were swaggering around claiming to be
  the world's best juggler, that would warrant Garfield's
  scorn, but if he isn't, tough beans.  World-class
  jugglers need to realize they're only working to impress
  other jugglers.  It's just the nature of the beast.
  
  Or so it seems to me.
 
 I think you're right. In _Stranger in a Strange Land_, Valentine 
 Michael puts on a REAL magic show in a carnival, but everyone yawns 
 because he doesnt know how to relate to the audience. I once saw 
 Doug Henning use a $50 magic trick and wow an audience for 15 
 minutes with his patter at one of the World Peace Assemblies. The 
 difference between a showman and an artiste I guess though Doug 
 was an artiste also.

I don't even think it's the showmanship, although that
certainly helps.  It's just that you look at the balls
or whatever and don't believe it's humanly possible to
throw and catch them like that.  Somebody with no
showmanship whatsoever could stand there and do what
Chris Bliss did and I'd be totally snowed.

In that sense, juggling is easier than it looks.  But
at Bliss's level of skill, to the layperson, it looks
impossible--and there just aren't any further levels
of difficulty than impossible.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Juggling Siddhi

2006-03-31 Thread sparaig
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 In that sense, juggling is easier than it looks.  But
 at Bliss's level of skill, to the layperson, it looks
 impossible--and there just aren't any further levels
 of difficulty than impossible.


3 balls is so easy that even a computer can do it ;-)

Here's a website that has a special java program that demonstrates many of the 
common 
three ball patterns

http://www.jugglingdb.com/jugglewiki/index.php/CategoryThreeBallPattern











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[FairfieldLife] Re: Juggling Siddhi

2006-03-31 Thread sparaig
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  In that sense, juggling is easier than it looks.  But
  at Bliss's level of skill, to the layperson, it looks
  impossible--and there just aren't any further levels
  of difficulty than impossible.
 
 
 3 balls is so easy that even a computer can do it ;-)
 
 Here's a website that has a special java program that demonstrates many of 
 the common 
 three ball patterns
 
 http://www.jugglingdb.com/jugglewiki/index.php/CategoryThreeBallPattern


I'm silly. That is a 3D program. Drag the mouse around inside any of the boxes 
to see the 
juggler from a different angle. A great instructional tool, I suspect.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Juggling Siddhi

2006-03-30 Thread authfriend
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 http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4776181634656145640
 
 Four-minute Google video of Chris Bliss
 (be sure your speakers are on)

OK.  On the same Google page there's a link to
a Chris Bliss Juggling Parody video.

This must really be inside-juggling.  It looks
almost as impressive to me as Chris Bliss.  Why
is this a parody, anybody have any idea?

Here's the link:

http://tinyurl.com/pw6f6






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Juggling Siddhi

2006-03-30 Thread gullible fool

If you click on the blue all  near the top right,
it implies that it is the juggler's use of five balls
instead of three that is the parody. It seems
like they just have a different interpretation of the
world parody. 
 
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http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4776181634656145640
  
  Four-minute Google video of Chris Bliss
  (be sure your speakers are on)
 
 OK.  On the same Google page there's a link to
 a Chris Bliss Juggling Parody video.
 
 This must really be inside-juggling.  It looks
 almost as impressive to me as Chris Bliss.  Why
 is this a parody, anybody have any idea?
 
 Here's the link:
 
 http://tinyurl.com/pw6f6
 
 
 
 
 
 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Juggling Siddhi

2006-03-30 Thread shempmcgurk
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  http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4776181634656145640
  
  Four-minute Google video of Chris Bliss
  (be sure your speakers are on)
 
 OK.  On the same Google page there's a link to
 a Chris Bliss Juggling Parody video.
 
 This must really be inside-juggling.  It looks
 almost as impressive to me as Chris Bliss.  Why
 is this a parody, anybody have any idea?
 
 Here's the link:
 
 http://tinyurl.com/pw6f6


Both juggling performances were really excellent...and highlyr 
recommended for all to see!

I think it was improperly named a parody.  It should have been 
named Outdoing Chris Bliss 'cause 5 balls (or was it four?) were 
used instead of 3.

Why did the second guy feel he had to be in competition with Bliss?  
At least that's the impression I got 'cause he used the same 
soundtrack...AND the same audience sounds from the Bliss 
performance...so there was a little tinge of sourgrapes that took 
away from the second performance.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Juggling Siddhi

2006-03-30 Thread jyouells2000
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  http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4776181634656145640
  
  Four-minute Google video of Chris Bliss
  (be sure your speakers are on)
 
 OK.  On the same Google page there's a link to
 a Chris Bliss Juggling Parody video.
 
 This must really be inside-juggling.  It looks
 almost as impressive to me as Chris Bliss.  Why
 is this a parody, anybody have any idea?
 
 Here's the link:
 
 http://tinyurl.com/pw6f6



His rhythm isn't as spot on as Chris Bliss's but he's also great to
watch :-) Twice as many balls in the air?

JohnY





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