[FairfieldLife] Re: Just Neurons Firing?

2012-12-18 Thread salyavin808
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, PaliGap  wrote:
 
 A good discussion of NDE IMO:
 
 
http://maverickphilosopher.typepad.com/maverick_philosopher/2012/12/mary-neals-out-of-body-experiences.html
 
 Those who believe that it is wrong, always and everywhere, to
 believe anything on insufficient evidence believe that very
 proposition on insufficient evidence, indeed on no evidence at
 all


Just Neurons Firing? No evidence to suggest otherwise. And a
rather large dollop of bias in the first sentence. I think
people after confirmation of beliefs will enjoy assumptions
like these based on one experience but there are many of
others that confirm a completely subjective basis to NDE's.

For instance, a third of people who report meeting deceased
relatives also meet relatives who are still alive. Bit of a
giveaway. So to believe a supernatural explanation for NDEs
on such insufficient evidence at least is foolhardy.

I would love to have an NDE but don't fancy the being near
death part of it, and then there's the overwhelming majority
that have heart attacks, car crashes etc, and *don't* report
any mysterious goings on at all.

It's all neurons firing, unless we are part of a computer 
program, in which case I'd expect the programmers to have 
a bit of fun with things like the afterlife, I sure as
hell would!



[FairfieldLife] Re: Just Neurons Firing?

2012-12-18 Thread turquoiseb
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808  wrote:
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, PaliGap  wrote:
  
} } A good discussion of NDE IMO:
  
} } 
http://maverickphilosopher.typepad.com/maverick_philosopher/2012/12/mary-neals-out-of-body-experiences.html
} } 
} } Those who believe that it is wrong, always and everywhere, 
} } to believe anything on insufficient evidence believe that 
} } very proposition on insufficient evidence, indeed on no 
} } evidence at all
}  
} Just Neurons Firing? No evidence to suggest otherwise. 
} And a rather large dollop of bias in the first sentence. 
} I think people after confirmation of beliefs will enjoy 
} assumptions like these based on one experience but there 
} are many of others that confirm a completely subjective 
} basis to NDE's.
}  
}  For instance, a third of people who report meeting 
} deceased relatives also meet relatives who are still 
} alive. Bit of a giveaway. So to believe a supernatural 
} explanation for NDEs on such insufficient evidence at 
} least is foolhardy.
}  
} I would love to have an NDE but don't fancy the being 
} near death part of it, and then there's the overwhelming 
} majority that have heart attacks, car crashes etc, and 
} *don't* report any mysterious goings on at all.
}  
} It's all neurons firing, unless we are part of a computer 
} program, in which case I'd expect the programmers to have 
} a bit of fun with things like the afterlife, I sure as
} hell would!

I'm staying out of the Near Death Experience thang. 
It's my birthday and I'm in a good mood, so what I
wish is that more people in the world could get over
having a Near Life Experience and just live. 




[FairfieldLife] Re: Just Neurons Firing?

2012-12-18 Thread mmrl1977
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808  wrote:
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, PaliGap  wrote:
   
 } } A good discussion of NDE IMO:
   
 } } 
http://maverickphilosopher.typepad.com/maverick_philosopher/2012/12/mary-neals-out-of-body-experiences.html
 } } 
 } } Those who believe that it is wrong, always and everywhere, 
 } } to believe anything on insufficient evidence believe that 
 } } very proposition on insufficient evidence, indeed on no 
 } } evidence at all
 }  
 } Just Neurons Firing? No evidence to suggest otherwise. 
 } And a rather large dollop of bias in the first sentence. 
 } I think people after confirmation of beliefs will enjoy 
 } assumptions like these based on one experience but there 
 } are many of others that confirm a completely subjective 
 } basis to NDE's.
 }  
 }  For instance, a third of people who report meeting 
 } deceased relatives also meet relatives who are still 
 } alive. Bit of a giveaway. So to believe a supernatural 
 } explanation for NDEs on such insufficient evidence at 
 } least is foolhardy.
 }  
 } I would love to have an NDE but don't fancy the being 
 } near death part of it, and then there's the overwhelming 
 } majority that have heart attacks, car crashes etc, and 
 } *don't* report any mysterious goings on at all.
 }  
 } It's all neurons firing, unless we are part of a computer 
 } program, in which case I'd expect the programmers to have 
 } a bit of fun with things like the afterlife, I sure as
 } hell would!
 
 I'm staying out of the Near Death Experience thang. 
 It's my birthday and I'm in a good mood, so what I
 wish is that more people in the world could get over
 having a Near Life Experience and just live.


I'm not terribly well-versed on the issue but it seems to me there are studies 
showing a correspondence between NDEs and the time when brainwaves flatline.



[FairfieldLife] Re: Just Neurons Firing?

2012-12-18 Thread mmrl1977
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808  wrote:
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, PaliGap  wrote:
   
 } } A good discussion of NDE IMO:
   
 } } 
http://maverickphilosopher.typepad.com/maverick_philosopher/2012/12/mary-neals-out-of-body-experiences.html
 } } 
 } } Those who believe that it is wrong, always and everywhere, 
 } } to believe anything on insufficient evidence believe that 
 } } very proposition on insufficient evidence, indeed on no 
 } } evidence at all
 }  
 } Just Neurons Firing? No evidence to suggest otherwise. 
 } And a rather large dollop of bias in the first sentence. 
 } I think people after confirmation of beliefs will enjoy 
 } assumptions like these based on one experience but there 
 } are many of others that confirm a completely subjective 
 } basis to NDE's.
 }  
 }  For instance, a third of people who report meeting 
 } deceased relatives also meet relatives who are still 
 } alive. Bit of a giveaway. So to believe a supernatural 
 } explanation for NDEs on such insufficient evidence at 
 } least is foolhardy.
 }  
 } I would love to have an NDE but don't fancy the being 
 } near death part of it, and then there's the overwhelming 
 } majority that have heart attacks, car crashes etc, and 
 } *don't* report any mysterious goings on at all.
 }  
 } It's all neurons firing, unless we are part of a computer 
 } program, in which case I'd expect the programmers to have 
 } a bit of fun with things like the afterlife, I sure as
 } hell would!
 
 I'm staying out of the Near Death Experience thang. 
 It's my birthday and I'm in a good mood, so what I
 wish is that more people in the world could get over
 having a Near Life Experience and just live.

---

I'm not terribly well-versed on the issue but it seems to me there are studies 
showing a correspondence between NDEs and the time when brainwaves flatline.