[FairfieldLife] Re: Kentucky? Nah, it's Canada!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: no...not THOSE GUYS...they are on the proverbial SLOW BOAT...we on the other hand can easily achieve the goal. The trick being to just not settle for seekerdom anymore. That's it- done...poof...into the infinite forever more...no more CC-GC-UC--straight into Brahman!!! Yippeee! 92% evil, 8% good Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Kentucky? Nah, it's Canada!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: no...not THOSE GUYS...they are on the proverbial SLOW BOAT...we on the other hand can easily achieve the goal. The trick being to just not settle for seekerdom anymore. That's it- done...poof...into the infinite forever more...no more CC-GC-UC--straight into Brahman!!! Yippeee! 92% evil, 8% good seeking enlightenment is a waste of time 1% evil, 99% good Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Kentucky? Nah, it's Canada!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: no...not THOSE GUYS...they are on the proverbial SLOW BOAT...we on the other hand can easily achieve the goal. The trick being to just not settle for seekerdom anymore. That's it- done...poof...into the infinite forever more...no more CC-GC-UC--straight into Brahman!!! Yippeee! 92% evil, 8% good seeking enlightenment is a waste of time 1% evil, 99% good Most seeking is a waste of time. It increases bondage. Drop seeking. I think we are on to something here. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Kentucky? Nah, it's Canada!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The leadership of the USA consciously chose to kill to prempt greater killing in the future. Trying to accomplish the near impossible in the middle east, a functioning representative democracy. I think that this was seem as the 'least evil' solution to an intractable problem. As far as perpetuating violence: there was and is plenty to go around. The US goal is to diminish it. The Islamofascist goals are to topple major economies and political systems thru violence and terror. If you can't turn the killer into a peace lover, do you kill him or let him continue to kill? John, I usually appreciate your point of view here, but if you honestly believe that the US goal is to diminish violence in the world, you really owe it to yourself to download and watch a three-hour BBC series called The Power of Nightmares. It is available for download from: http://www.archive.org/details/ThePowerOfNightmares The authors of this series trace the roots of modern problems back to their source, and make a strong case for the stance of both the US Neocons and the Islamic fundamentalists as *perpetuating* violence in the world. It's part of a conscious, well-documented strategy on both sides. This is a *powerful* series, that leaves the viewer with very little doubt about the real motivations of those who stay in power by selling nightmares. They do this because they have no positive dreams to sell. Watch the series -- all of it -- and then come back here and tell us if you still believe that America's intent is to diminish violence in the world. The fascinating thing, for an open-minded TMer, is to watch the series and think about how Maharishi's language has shifted over the years into the realm of scare tactics. He still talks about Sat Yuga and a better world, but his fund-raising efforts these days are more often than not tied to pronoun- cements of impending doom if people don't send in their checks. And for the *same* reasons as the Neocons and the Islamic radicals == they are selling a fundamentalist vision of a world in which *they* are in charge. That is the only world they can imagine that would suit them. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Kentucky? Nah, it's Canada!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: The leadership of the USA consciously chose to kill to prempt greater killing in the future. Trying to accomplish the near impossible in the middle east, a functioning representative democracy. I think that this was seem as the 'least evil' solution to an intractable problem. As far as perpetuating violence: there was and is plenty to go around. The US goal is to diminish it. The Islamofascist goals are to topple major economies and political systems thru violence and terror. If you can't turn the killer into a peace lover, do you kill him or let him continue to kill? JohnY Dude, drink the Kool-aid! This story that the US was always planning to foment democracy in the Middle East only surfaced after the Bush crowd was caught lying about the original justification for their mass killing; WMDs. Not only has the violent external imposition of democracy NEVER worked before, it's a truly pathetic substitution for coherent diplomacy, coupled with enforced economic sanctions. Without fail, every time the US has meddled underhandedly in the political affairs of another country, it has backfired on us. As it has now again. I just read the responses of Sens. McCain and Biden on the situation in Iraq. A complete failure. Your demonizing of the Islamic world is interesting- another piece of revisionist propaganda by the Bush machine. As I said earlier, when you cage people and poke sharp sticks at them, as we have done to Iraq, then when they lash out in anger, it is easy to use that as justification for your initial wrong actions. Police use this occasionally to justify killing someone. There are adherents in the Islamic world who are every bit as radical as the Christian fundamentalists. Ironically they are now finding fertile ground for violently forwarding their agenda- something that was not possible before we declared war on them, at least not in a unified way. Just as we are now using the violent response to our Sin as further justification to escalate our warring, so are the Islamic radicals using our warring as justification for their continued violent response against us. And I totally understand that what the US is doing militarily is seen as an intelligent response from the standpoint of the ignorance of waking state consciousness. Unfortunately, long term it will only culture further violence against the US, and is doomed to failure and further suffering. Very stupid policy. Jim, I just don't care to go down this road on FFL. Sorry I brought it up. JohnY I've been spitting out the Kool-Aid for years... Possibly ignorant, and in the waking state consciousness... :-) Unfathomable is the course of action -- BG. Arjuna, stand up and fight! -- Lord Krishna I respect that. It is no fun for me to discuss this either. Please consider it closed. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Kentucky? Nah, it's Canada!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: The leadership of the USA consciously chose to kill to prempt greater killing in the future. Trying to accomplish the near impossible in the middle east, a functioning representative democracy. I think that this was seem as the 'least evil' solution to an intractable problem. As far as perpetuating violence: there was and is plenty to go around. The US goal is to diminish it. The Islamofascist goals are to topple major economies and political systems thru violence and terror. If you can't turn the killer into a peace lover, do you kill him or let him continue to kill? John, I usually appreciate your point of view here, but if you honestly believe that the US goal is to diminish violence in the world, you really owe it to yourself to download and watch a three-hour BBC series called The Power of Nightmares. It is available for download from: http://www.archive.org/details/ThePowerOfNightmares I will take a look. BTW, I didn't say 'the world' I said the lesser evil in the middle east. Just like I don't think that the TMO's motives are pure or presented clearly, US's aren't either but I don't think they are anywhere near as conspiritoral as all the hard lefties think they are. It's always amazed me that so many TB's and former TB's are so hard left in for a dime in for a dollar, I guess. I express a different point of view than is normally expressed here, and all of a sudden Jim labels me an ignorant waking state Kool-Aid drinker, sheesh. Actually Jim forgets that we share a whole background of similar TM experience. JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Kentucky? Nah, it's Canada!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The fascinating thing, for an open-minded TMer, is to watch the series and think about how Maharishi's language has shifted over the years into the realm of scare tactics. He still talks about Sat Yuga and a better world, but his fund-raising efforts these days are more often than not tied to pronoun- cements of impending doom if people don't send in their checks. Maharishi's language these days seems to be slightly subtler and more elitist version of Oral Roberts fund raising techniques. Very disappointing, and quite an illusion shatterer. JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Kentucky? Nah, it's Canada!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: The fascinating thing, for an open-minded TMer, is to watch the series and think about how Maharishi's language has shifted over the years into the realm of scare tactics. He still talks about Sat Yuga and a better world, but his fund-raising efforts these days are more often than not tied to pronoun- cements of impending doom if people don't send in their checks. Maharishi's language these days seems to be slightly subtler and more elitist version of Oral Roberts fund raising techniques. Very disappointing, and quite an illusion shatterer. JohnY I remember someone asking him a long time ago how he would accomplish his goal of enlightening the world, and he said something like, I will reproduce myself. And That is only possible if he first destroys any attachments to him. Down the path, down the path, down the path...cliff edge... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Kentucky? Nah, it's Canada!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: I will take a look. BTW, I didn't say 'the world' I said the lesser evil in the middle east. Just like I don't think that the TMO's motives are pure or presented clearly, US's aren't either but I don't think they are anywhere near as conspiritoral as all the hard lefties think they are. It's always amazed me that so many TB's and former TB's are so hard left in for a dime in for a dollar, I guess. I express a different point of view than is normally expressed here, and all of a sudden Jim labels me an ignorant waking state Kool-Aid drinker, sheesh. Actually Jim forgets that we share a whole background of similar TM experience. Hi John, I meant no personal labeling, or libeling for that matter. My point with the Kool-Aid remark was that sometimes we adopt points of view without thinking them through, echoing more what we have been told (or, really, bombarded with...). As to the 'ignorant waking state' comment, that wasn't meant to label you either. I was just stating the justification [for war] from the minds of those making such a decision. Thanks for bringing this up though. No offense meant to you. I know, Jim. I didn't take offense. I was exaggerating to make a point, just like I figured you were ;-) JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Kentucky? Nah, it's Canada!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: The fascinating thing, for an open-minded TMer, is to watch the series and think about how Maharishi's language has shifted over the years into the realm of scare tactics. He still talks about Sat Yuga and a better world, but his fund-raising efforts these days are more often than not tied to pronoun- cements of impending doom if people don't send in their checks. Maharishi's language these days seems to be slightly subtler and more elitist version of Oral Roberts fund raising techniques. Very disappointing, and quite an illusion shatterer. JohnY I remember someone asking him a long time ago how he would accomplish his goal of enlightening the world, and he said something like, I will reproduce myself. And That is only possible if he first destroys any attachments to him. Down the path, down the path, down the path...cliff edge... I guess cutting those last attachments involves suing those aspiring maharishis Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Kentucky? Nah, it's Canada!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: I will take a look. BTW, I didn't say 'the world' I said the lesser evil in the middle east. Just like I don't think that the TMO's motives are pure or presented clearly, US's aren't either but I don't think they are anywhere near as conspiritoral as all the hard lefties think they are. It's always amazed me that so many TB's and former TB's are so hard left in for a dime in for a dollar, I guess. I express a different point of view than is normally expressed here, and all of a sudden Jim labels me an ignorant waking state Kool- Aid drinker, sheesh. Actually Jim forgets that we share a whole background of similar TM experience. Hi John, I meant no personal labeling, or libeling for that matter. My point with the Kool-Aid remark was that sometimes we adopt points of view without thinking them through, echoing more what we have been told (or, really, bombarded with...). As to the 'ignorant waking state' comment, that wasn't meant to label you either. I was just stating the justification [for war] from the minds of those making such a decision. Thanks for bringing this up though. No offense meant to you. I know, Jim. I didn't take offense. I was exaggerating to make a point, just like I figured you were ;-) JohnY Cool- I wish you a great weekend! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Kentucky? Nah, it's Canada!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: The fascinating thing, for an open-minded TMer, is to watch the series and think about how Maharishi's language has shifted over the years into the realm of scare tactics. He still talks about Sat Yuga and a better world, but his fund-raising efforts these days are more often than not tied to pronoun- cements of impending doom if people don't send in their checks. Maharishi's language these days seems to be slightly subtler and more elitist version of Oral Roberts fund raising techniques. Very disappointing, and quite an illusion shatterer. JohnY I remember someone asking him a long time ago how he would accomplish his goal of enlightening the world, and he said something like, I will reproduce myself. And That is only possible if he first destroys any attachments to him. Down the path, down the path, down the path...cliff edge... I guess cutting those last attachments involves suing those aspiring maharishis no...not THOSE GUYS...they are on the proverbial SLOW BOAT...we on the other hand can easily achieve the goal. The trick being to just not settle for seekerdom anymore. That's it- done...poof...into the infinite forever more...no more CC-GC-UC--straight into Brahman!!! Yippeee! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Kentucky? Nah, it's Canada!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: In Canada, you can have sex with a 14-year-old... Yeah, just like getting married at 14 in Iowa, South Carolina, and Connecticut with parental consent... And is that actually *worse* than waging war on people? Please deny that all kinds of atrocities, torture and rape are *not* occuring in Iraq... oh...right...just for the suspected terrorists... Huh? What's the logic of the segueway from age of consent to war? Personally, as an American, I find that waging unprovoked war on others to be so evil and corrupting an influence on the world, that these days it is damned hard to point fingers at any other country. Granted nobody is perfect, and yet what this country is doing is so horrible, so irredeemable, that other countries' behaviors truly pale in comparison. So, in my opinion, we should first get our own house in order before pointing out the errors of others. ...must be a Sat Yuga thang...;) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Kentucky? Nah, it's Canada!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: In Canada, you can have sex with a 14-year-old... Yeah, just like getting married at 14 in Iowa, South Carolina, and Connecticut with parental consent... And is that actually *worse* than waging war on people? Please deny that all kinds of atrocities, torture and rape are *not* occuring in Iraq... oh...right...just for the suspected terrorists... Huh? What's the logic of the segueway from age of consent to war? Personally, as an American, I find that waging unprovoked war on others to be so evil and corrupting an influence on the world, that these days it is damned hard to point fingers at any other country. 1) Why do you assume I was being critical of Canada? Maybe I like teenage girls and find it appealing that I could go there and fiddle about legally when I would be locked up doing the same in the US of A. 2)Like a typical self-centered American, you think that the world revolves around the US and don't even consider for a second that the person you are addressing is NOT an American...which I'm not. I'm a citizen of Canada. Granted nobody is perfect, and yet what this country is doing is so horrible, so irredeemable, that other countries' behaviors truly pale in comparison. So, in my opinion, we should first get our own house in order before pointing out the errors of others. ...must be a Sat Yuga thang...;) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Kentucky? Nah, it's Canada!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1) Why do you assume I was being critical of Canada? Maybe I like teenage girls and find it appealing that I could go there and fiddle about legally when I would be locked up doing the same in the US of A. OK 2)Like a typical self-centered American, you think that the world revolves around the US and don't even consider for a second that the person you are addressing is NOT an American...which I'm not. I'm a citizen of Canada. OK. No, not a self centered American- just figured that this message board is in the US and so am I, therefore... But, you've corrected me, so now I know. Thanks Granted nobody is perfect, and yet what this country is doing is so horrible, so irredeemable, that other countries' behaviors truly pale in comparison. So, in my opinion, we should first get our own house in order before pointing out the errors of others. ...must be a Sat Yuga thang...;) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Kentucky? Nah, it's Canada!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: In Canada, you can have sex with a 14-year-old... Yeah, just like getting married at 14 in Iowa, South Carolina, and Connecticut with parental consent... And is that actually *worse* than waging war on people? Please deny that all kinds of atrocities, torture and rape are *not* occuring in Iraq... oh...right...just for the suspected terrorists... Huh? What's the logic of the segueway from age of consent to war? Personally, as an American, I find that waging unprovoked war on others to be so evil and corrupting an influence on the world, that these days it is damned hard to point fingers at any other country. Granted nobody is perfect, and yet what this country is doing is so horrible, so irredeemable, that other countries' behaviors truly pale in comparison. So, in my opinion, we should first get our own house in order before pointing out the errors of others. ...must be a Sat Yuga thang...;) Gee, Jim an awful lot of fuzzy relitivistic stuff there One man's evil is another man's duty or at least lesser of evil's. Let's see how it works out, statigically. JohnY I don't see the fuzz. This ability that many of us have these days to look at something so ugly and pointless as war and pronounce it as somehow strategic, or a sound solution, is beyond me. It is as close to pure evil as anything I can think of. I know a world war two vet who served in the Pacific as a Marine sniper. He had nightmares for *thirty years* nearly every night afterwards because of what he had been exposed to. And it isn't like there aren't alternatives...I proposed back in 2001 that we as a country embark on an alternative energy program with the same fervor as we had in the 60's to put a man on the moon. That would cool down the Middle East immeasurably. But now I see that this war isn't about oil. It is about bullying, and imposing our will on others, and showing the world that you can't push around the USA. Oh, and weapons testing. Can't forget the immoral weapons testing... So call it what you will. I call it Sin. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Kentucky? Nah, it's Canada!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: In Canada, you can have sex with a 14-year-old... Yeah, just like getting married at 14 in Iowa, South Carolina, and Connecticut with parental consent... And is that actually *worse* than waging war on people? Please deny that all kinds of atrocities, torture and rape are *not* occuring in Iraq... oh...right...just for the suspected terrorists... Huh? What's the logic of the segueway from age of consent to war? Personally, as an American, I find that waging unprovoked war on others to be so evil and corrupting an influence on the world, that these days it is damned hard to point fingers at any other country. Granted nobody is perfect, and yet what this country is doing is so horrible, so irredeemable, that other countries' behaviors truly pale in comparison. So, in my opinion, we should first get our own house in order before pointing out the errors of others. ...must be a Sat Yuga thang...;) Gee, Jim an awful lot of fuzzy relitivistic stuff there One man's evil is another man's duty or at least lesser of evil's. Let's see how it works out, statigically. JohnY I don't see the fuzz. This ability that many of us have these days to look at something so ugly and pointless as war and pronounce it as somehow strategic, or a sound solution, is beyond me. It is as close to pure evil as anything I can think of. I know a world war two vet who served in the Pacific as a Marine sniper. He had nightmares for *thirty years* nearly every night afterwards because of what he had been exposed to. And it isn't like there aren't alternatives...I proposed back in 2001 that we as a country embark on an alternative energy program with the same fervor as we had in the 60's to put a man on the moon. That would cool down the Middle East immeasurably. But now I see that this war isn't about oil. It is about bullying, and imposing our will on others, and showing the world that you can't push around the USA. Oh, and weapons testing. Can't forget the immoral weapons testing... So call it what you will. I call it Sin. I agree that the best way to settle the middle east would have been to get off of oil entirely, but that's not what has happened. Many things in the relative involve choosing the lesser evil, that's why it's relative. It's not about bullying either, we could do a far better job at that if that was the goal. JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Kentucky? Nah, it's Canada!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree that the best way to settle the middle east would have been to get off of oil entirely, but that's not what has happened. Many things in the relative involve choosing the lesser evil, that's why it's relative. I don't get what you're saying. If you are implying that the option to get off oil was there, and ignored, and war chosen instead, how is war the 'lesser evil'? The leadership of the USA consciously chose to kill vs to solve the problem. Since killing involves sin, whether you agree with it or not, it requires a strong karmic return. In other words, even if war is seen as a justifiable option, unfortunately the laws of cause and effect can't be bypassed. The violence will only be perpetuated. This is why it is such a sin to do this. This is the evil. Not only the act itself, but the miserable cycle of karma that it begets. It's not about bullying either, we could do a far better job at that if that was the goal. JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Kentucky? Nah, it's Canada!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: I agree that the best way to settle the middle east would have been to get off of oil entirely, but that's not what has happened. Many things in the relative involve choosing the lesser evil, that's why it's relative. I don't get what you're saying. If you are implying that the option to get off oil was there, and ignored, and war chosen instead, how is war the 'lesser evil'? The leadership of the USA consciously chose to kill vs to solve the problem. Since killing involves sin, whether you agree with it or not, it requires a strong karmic return. In other words, even if war is seen as a justifiable option, unfortunately the laws of cause and effect can't be bypassed. The violence will only be perpetuated. This is why it is such a sin to do this. This is the evil. Not only the act itself, but the miserable cycle of karma that it begets. It's not about bullying either, we could do a far better job at that if that was the goal. JohnY The leadership of the USA consciously chose to kill to prempt greater killing in the future. Trying to accomplish the near impossible in the middle east, a functioning representative democracy. I think that this was seem as the 'least evil' solution to an intractable problem. As far as perpetuating violence: there was and is plenty to go around. The US goal is to diminish it. The Islamofascist goals are to topple major economies and political systems thru violence and terror. If you can't turn the killer into a peace lover, do you kill him or let him continue to kill? JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Kentucky? Nah, it's Canada!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The leadership of the USA consciously chose to kill to prempt greater killing in the future. Trying to accomplish the near impossible in the middle east, a functioning representative democracy. I think that this was seem as the 'least evil' solution to an intractable problem. As far as perpetuating violence: there was and is plenty to go around. The US goal is to diminish it. The Islamofascist goals are to topple major economies and political systems thru violence and terror. If you can't turn the killer into a peace lover, do you kill him or let him continue to kill? JohnY Dude, drink the Kool-aid! This story that the US was always planning to foment democracy in the Middle East only surfaced after the Bush crowd was caught lying about the original justification for their mass killing; WMDs. Not only has the violent external imposition of democracy NEVER worked before, it's a truly pathetic substitution for coherent diplomacy, coupled with enforced economic sanctions. Without fail, every time the US has meddled underhandedly in the political affairs of another country, it has backfired on us. As it has now again. I just read the responses of Sens. McCain and Biden on the situation in Iraq. A complete failure. Your demonizing of the Islamic world is interesting- another piece of revisionist propaganda by the Bush machine. As I said earlier, when you cage people and poke sharp sticks at them, as we have done to Iraq, then when they lash out in anger, it is easy to use that as justification for your initial wrong actions. Police use this occasionally to justify killing someone. There are adherents in the Islamic world who are every bit as radical as the Christian fundamentalists. Ironically they are now finding fertile ground for violently forwarding their agenda- something that was not possible before we declared war on them, at least not in a unified way. Just as we are now using the violent response to our Sin as further justification to escalate our warring, so are the Islamic radicals using our warring as justification for their continued violent response against us. And I totally understand that what the US is doing militarily is seen as an intelligent response from the standpoint of the ignorance of waking state consciousness. Unfortunately, long term it will only culture further violence against the US, and is doomed to failure and further suffering. Very stupid policy. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Kentucky? Nah, it's Canada!
Regardless of what I may think of the idea, the democratization of Iraq has been a very long-term neocon goal. You can read about it from nearly 10 years ago on the newamericancentury.org website. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: The leadership of the USA consciously chose to kill to prempt greater killing in the future. Trying to accomplish the near impossible in the middle east, a functioning representative democracy. I think that this was seem as the 'least evil' solution to an intractable problem. As far as perpetuating violence: there was and is plenty to go around. The US goal is to diminish it. The Islamofascist goals are to topple major economies and political systems thru violence and terror. If you can't turn the killer into a peace lover, do you kill him or let him continue to kill? JohnY Dude, drink the Kool-aid! This story that the US was always planning to foment democracy in the Middle East only surfaced after the Bush crowd was caught lying about the original justification for their mass killing; WMDs. Not only has the violent external imposition of democracy NEVER worked before, it's a truly pathetic substitution for coherent diplomacy, coupled with enforced economic sanctions. Without fail, every time the US has meddled underhandedly in the political affairs of another country, it has backfired on us. As it has now again. I just read the responses of Sens. McCain and Biden on the situation in Iraq. A complete failure. Your demonizing of the Islamic world is interesting- another piece of revisionist propaganda by the Bush machine. As I said earlier, when you cage people and poke sharp sticks at them, as we have done to Iraq, then when they lash out in anger, it is easy to use that as justification for your initial wrong actions. Police use this occasionally to justify killing someone. There are adherents in the Islamic world who are every bit as radical as the Christian fundamentalists. Ironically they are now finding fertile ground for violently forwarding their agenda- something that was not possible before we declared war on them, at least not in a unified way. Just as we are now using the violent response to our Sin as further justification to escalate our warring, so are the Islamic radicals using our warring as justification for their continued violent response against us. And I totally understand that what the US is doing militarily is seen as an intelligent response from the standpoint of the ignorance of waking state consciousness. Unfortunately, long term it will only culture further violence against the US, and is doomed to failure and further suffering. Very stupid policy. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Kentucky? Nah, it's Canada!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In Canada, you can have sex with a 14-year-old... Yeah, just like getting married at 14 in Iowa, South Carolina, and Connecticut with parental consent... And is that actually *worse* than waging war on people? Please deny that all kinds of atrocities, torture and rape are *not* occuring in Iraq... oh...right...just for the suspected terrorists... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
