[FairfieldLife] RE: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi#39;s Nephew Arrested on Rape Charge - The New Indian Express
Om, there is something rotten around TM in India? “Complainant's husband on Saturday came out with the pictures of Narayan Sai, son of controversial godman Asaram, with Varma and reiterated that the two are no different in many terms.” http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2013-12-29/bhopal/45674633_1_girish-chandra-varma-controversial-godman-asaram-narayan-sai http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2013-12-29/bhopal/45674633_1_girish-chandra-varma-controversial-godman-asaram-narayan-sai Girish Varma in the news again? Om, how demoralizing to everyone in TM who try to do good participating in a spiritual regeneration movement to then have this leadership out there cuckolding his people . Is this characteristic of TM leadership? Who would want to be involved with these people? This is really bad. If the organization can't separate themselves from this guy then the guy should separate himself from the teaching if he had any sense of respect about it. TM should at least take a lesson from the Catholics and quickly cut this guy entirely off for the due-process of law as a cast-away. He evidently has done it to himself. This has been going on for months. If Nadir Ram, Bevan and Raja Hagelin can't fire and relieve from duties this guy outright, at least make a statement and put him out on a long administrative leave until the courts really settle it. TM needs to make clear that in going forward this kind of thing is not acceptable. Code of Conduct? What says the organization? -Buck
[FairfieldLife] RE: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi#39;s Nephew Arrested on Rape Charge - The New Indian Express
Rick, see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/368936 http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/368936 http://www.newindianexpress.com/nation/Maharishi-Mahesh-Yogis-Nephew-Arrested-on-Rape-Charge/2013/12/31/article1973903.ece http://www.newindianexpress.com/nation/Maharishi-Mahesh-Yogis-Nephew-Arrested-on-Rape-Charge/2013/12/31/article1973903.ece
[FairfieldLife] RE: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi#39;s Nephew Arrested on Rape Charge - The New Indian Express
A purported $9.7 Billion fortune. Hummh ... Could the TMO just be about the $$$? May this is what they mean by evolution of consciousness.
[FairfieldLife] RE: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi#39;s Nephew Arrested on Rape Charge - The New Indian Express
Girish Varma in the news again? Om, how demoralizing to everyone in TM who try to do good participating in a spiritual regeneration movement to then have this leadership out there cuckolding his people . Is this characteristic of TM leadership? Who would want to be involved with these people? This is really bad. If the organization can't separate themselves from this guy then the guy should separate himself from the teaching if he had any sense of respect about it. TM should at least take a lesson from the Catholics and quickly cut this guy entirely off for the due-process of law as a cast-away. He evidently has done it to himself. This has been going on for months. If Nadir Ram, Bevan and Raja Hagelin can't fire and relieve from duties this guy outright, at least make a statement and put him out on a long administrative leave until the courts really settle it. TM needs to make clear that in going forward this kind of thing is not acceptable. Code of Conduct? What says the organization? -Buck
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi visits Belgrade Yugoslavia 1983
[http://xa.yimg.com/kq/groups/3920196/tn/954008947/name/Maharishi+Mahesh\ +Yogi+visits+Belgrade+Yugoslavia+1983.jpg] --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0GeCKipqOI [http://i4.ytimg.com/vi/w0GeCKipqOI/mqdefault.jpg]
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi visits Belgrade Yugoslavia 1983
Not having watched the video from which I presume this fuzzy screenshot was taken, it is left to my imagination to decipher what the image portrays. I'm thinkin' that it's a clip of a live performance in recent years by Gladys Knight and the Pips. Gladys, being even older than me, has not fared as well health- wise as I have, and is now confined to a wheelchair. But it's a *cool* motorized wheelchair, looking like a sofa-sized Indian throne all festooned with flowers. You can see it there on the right, with Gladys sitting in it, under the painting of some Indian guy. She seems to be in the middle of singing, I Heard It Through The Grapvine, because to her right (our left) you can see vague silhouettes of the Pips really rockin' out. They always saved best moves for this song, their biggest hit. You can't see much of the backup band in the background, but they're all sitting, which is never a good sign. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Q8n4oWClu8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Q8n4oWClu8 Skip to the 2:55 mark if you want to skip the opening intro lecture that you've heard too many times already. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda wrote: [http://xa.yimg.com/kq/groups/3920196/tn/954008947/name/Maharishi+Mahesh\ +Yogi+visits+Belgrade+Yugoslavia+1983.jpg] --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0GeCKipqOI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0GeCKipqOI
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi visits Belgrade Yugoslavia 1983
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: Not having watched the video from which I presume this fuzzy screenshot was taken, it is left to my imagination to decipher what the image portrays. [Maharishi Mahesh Yogi visits Belgrade Y] I'm thinkin' that it's a clip of a live performance in recent years by Gladys Knight and the Pips. Gladys, being even older than me, has not fared as well health- wise as I have, and is now confined to a wheelchair. But it's a *cool* motorized wheelchair, looking like a sofa-sized Indian throne all festooned with flowers. You can see it there on the right, with Gladys sitting in it, under the painting of some Indian guy. She seems to be in the middle of singing, I Heard It Through The Grapvine, because to her right (our left) you can see vague silhouettes of the Pips really rockin' out. They always saved best moves for this song, their biggest hit. You can't see much of the backup band in the background, but they're all sitting, which is never a good sign. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Q8n4oWClu8 Skip to the 2:55 mark if you want to skip the opening intro lecture that you've heard too many times already. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda wrote: [http://xa.yimg.com/kq/groups/3920196/tn/954008947/name/Maharishi+Mahesh\ \ +Yogi+visits+Belgrade+Yugoslavia+1983.jpg] --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0GeCKipqOI
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi visits Belgrade Yugoslavia 1983
[Belgrade Yugoslavia 1...] --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: Not having watched the video from which I presume this fuzzy screenshot was taken, it is left to my imagination to decipher what the image portrays. I'm thinkin' that it's a clip of a live performance in recent years by Gladys Knight and the Pips. Gladys, being even older than me, has not fared as well health- wise as I have, and is now confined to a wheelchair. But it's a *cool* motorized wheelchair, looking like a sofa-sized Indian throne all festooned with flowers. You can see it there on the right, with Gladys sitting in it, under the painting of some Indian guy. She seems to be in the middle of singing, I Heard It Through The Grapvine, because to her right (our left) you can see vague silhouettes of the Pips really rockin' out. They always saved best moves for this song, their biggest hit. You can't see much of the backup band in the background, but they're all sitting, which is never a good sign. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Q8n4oWClu8 Skip to the 2:55 mark if you want to skip the opening intro lecture that you've heard too many times already. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda wrote: [http://xa.yimg.com/kq/groups/3920196/tn/954008947/name/Maharishi+Mahesh\ \ +Yogi+visits+Belgrade+Yugoslavia+1983.jpg] --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0GeCKipqOI
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi on History Chan to Carol Emily
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: Hey, PaliGap, nice to see you here again. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, PaliGap wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: (snip I remember when I first started to hop, after a couple days. I had found myself bouncing--involuntarily--without getting off the foam. After awhile, I let go of something somehow mentally, and then I immediately began to hop. Let 'er rip describes it, but I don't know whether that's the same as what you experienced. It's as if I had not been letting the sutra do its job, rather than that I had started voluntarily to push myself up off the foam. Experience does vary from individual to individual, and it's impossible to know what it's like for anybody else. I don't think I am a 'TB'. On the other hand the facts is the facts. I find it hard to 'explain away'. Believe me - I've tried (though coward-like I remain agnostic). Me too. The various theories that have been proposed to explain it away, it seems to me, raise as many questions as they answer. *Something* unusual is going on neurophysiologically. The only indication I have that it has anything to do with levitation, however, is that on a couple of occasions for a split-second at the apex of a hop, I've suddenly known that staying up in the air would be perfectly natural--in the same way I know I'm going to come right down again on all other occasions. Just as it did on that occasion. Exactly. I made that quite clear: But of course that goes away virtually instantaneously. You wouldn't be able to capture any in-air hesitation with any kind of measuring instrument or camera. The feeling might go away instantaneously but to an observer you never shifted from the parabolic curve you started when you lifted off. (You don't mean but here, you mean and.) Exactly. Nor could you capture any shift *with any kind of measuring instrument or camera*--as I just got done saying. So it doesn't really matter how you feel when jumping in the air, As I said, the feeling I had those few times was no different than the feeling that I was going to come down all the other times: in both cases it was a *certainty*, a knowingness, not just a feeling. all that matters from a is levitation possible viewpoint is whether you stay there or not. Exactly. Where did I say otherwise? And of *course* a slo-mo camera would capture any mid air hesitation, if there was any. Exactly. That's why I said (see above) no camera (or any kind of measuring instrument) would capture any hesitation. There's a lesson for you in this, salyavin. Once again, your own preconceptions got in the way of understanding what I wrote, and once again it's made you look a fool. But you know what? Your thinking is so inflexible, you'll never learn that lesson. (snip) It's like driving a car somewhere and when you arrive you realise you can't remember the journey. The body is easily capable of doing familiar routines without conscious input so your mind can wander off and do other stuff. Couple that with an altered state of consciousness and the strong expectation of actual flight and we can believe anything that happens is more than what it is. Except that I had no expectation of actual flight, first; second, I had the experience I described only two or three times out of many thousands of hops; and third, I have no belief that the experience was anything more than what I described. Any casual observer will tell you the truth of it. The casual observer has no way of knowing what was going on in my head. I have no explanation for what I experienced. I mentioned it only to point out that it was the *only* experience I ever had while hopping that hopping had anything at all to do with levitation. It came as a complete surprise when it happened, and it obviously bore no relationship to what my body was doing. Hopping itself, for me, had the unusual quality of being involuntary. I can't explain that either. What it didn't have was any physical manifestation of levitation.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi on History Chan to Carol Emily
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: Thanks for posting this laughinggull. Carol and Emily, this is a good overview of the whole TM world, with 2 comments: TM is absolutely NOT about repeating a mantra; and yogic flying does not involve TRYING to fly or bounce. Part of it is. The mantra and repetition have to begin the process Actually not, not if repetition means more than one iteration of the mantra. You could conceivably think it *once* and immediately transcend, even go through the whole mantra-transcend-thoughts cycle multiple times during a meditation without ever thinking the mantra twice in a row. Share, the words repeat and repetition *are* used in several places in the checking notes. In most cases, repetition of the mantra does occur, but it's correct to say TM is not *about* repetition. Subtle but crucial distinction. (Caveat: I am not a TM teacher. I took checker training, but I never got around to being certified. If I've gotten anything wrong, corrections from teachers are welcome.) and hopping around involves energy and effort whether you realize this or not. On my siddhis course my friend and I were the last to hop and the instructor sat with us until we did so. Having languished for days watching my friends in my pod plop around on foam and make strange noises my friend and I finally looked at each other and let 'er rip. We had to try or we weren't going to graduate from that summer course. Finally we gave in and joined the crowd. It was never that effortless to bounce and I certainly never flew. So at least on my siddhis course we had to do whatever it took to move off our butts and it involved trying or at least exerting an intention. Maybe it is all in the semantics. The sutras *are* intentions, according to Maharishi. FWIW, on my flying block there were several women who never hopped, and they graduated with the rest of us. They weren't bullied into faking it (as it sounds like you may have been). I can report the same (but 'men'). They weren't happy about not hopping, but the Sidhis administrator (Georgina Wilson) told them not to worry about it, they would still get the benefits of the practice. Trying to hop was most definitely a no-no. Definitely. Certainly hopping involves muscular effort (although the extent to which one is aware of that varies); the question is how the signal to contract is sent to the muscles. For me, it's involuntary--it would take effort *not* to hop. Indeed. It's probably off the program but I would often try forcibly 'not to hop'. But hop I did. It's like a yawn or a sneeze or the knee-jerk reflex. The signal to the muscles originates somewhere other than it would if I hopped without using the sutra. I remember when I first started to hop, after a couple days. I had found myself bouncing--involuntarily--without getting off the foam. After awhile, I let go of something somehow mentally, and then I immediately began to hop. Let 'er rip describes it, but I don't know whether that's the same as what you experienced. It's as if I had not been letting the sutra do its job, rather than that I had started voluntarily to push myself up off the foam. Experience does vary from individual to individual, and it's impossible to know what it's like for anybody else. I don't think I am a 'TB'. On the other hand the facts is the facts. I find it hard to 'explain away'. Believe me - I've tried (though coward-like I remain agnostic).
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi on History Chan to Carol Emily
Hey, PaliGap, nice to see you here again. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, PaliGap wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: (snip I remember when I first started to hop, after a couple days. I had found myself bouncing--involuntarily--without getting off the foam. After awhile, I let go of something somehow mentally, and then I immediately began to hop. Let 'er rip describes it, but I don't know whether that's the same as what you experienced. It's as if I had not been letting the sutra do its job, rather than that I had started voluntarily to push myself up off the foam. Experience does vary from individual to individual, and it's impossible to know what it's like for anybody else. I don't think I am a 'TB'. On the other hand the facts is the facts. I find it hard to 'explain away'. Believe me - I've tried (though coward-like I remain agnostic). Me too. The various theories that have been proposed to explain it away, it seems to me, raise as many questions as they answer. *Something* unusual is going on neurophysiologically. The only indication I have that it has anything to do with levitation, however, is that on a couple of occasions for a split-second at the apex of a hop, I've suddenly known that staying up in the air would be perfectly natural--in the same way I know I'm going to come right down again on all other occasions. But of course that goes away virtually instantaneously. You wouldn't be able to capture any in-air hesitation with any kind of measuring instrument or camera.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi on History Chan to Carol Emily
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: Hey, PaliGap, nice to see you here again. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, PaliGap wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: (snip I remember when I first started to hop, after a couple days. I had found myself bouncing--involuntarily--without getting off the foam. After awhile, I let go of something somehow mentally, and then I immediately began to hop. Let 'er rip describes it, but I don't know whether that's the same as what you experienced. It's as if I had not been letting the sutra do its job, rather than that I had started voluntarily to push myself up off the foam. Experience does vary from individual to individual, and it's impossible to know what it's like for anybody else. I don't think I am a 'TB'. On the other hand the facts is the facts. I find it hard to 'explain away'. Believe me - I've tried (though coward-like I remain agnostic). Me too. The various theories that have been proposed to explain it away, it seems to me, raise as many questions as they answer. *Something* unusual is going on neurophysiologically. The only indication I have that it has anything to do with levitation, however, is that on a couple of occasions for a split-second at the apex of a hop, I've suddenly known that staying up in the air would be perfectly natural--in the same way I know I'm going to come right down again on all other occasions. Have you had the experience of going up, then down again but not quite to the ground before you went up again ? It's quite interesting, like having an invisible cushion beneath. But of course that goes away virtually instantaneously. You wouldn't be able to capture any in-air hesitation with any kind of measuring instrument or camera.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi on History Chan to Carol Emily
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: Hey, PaliGap, nice to see you here again. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, PaliGap wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: (snip I remember when I first started to hop, after a couple days. I had found myself bouncing--involuntarily--without getting off the foam. After awhile, I let go of something somehow mentally, and then I immediately began to hop. Let 'er rip describes it, but I don't know whether that's the same as what you experienced. It's as if I had not been letting the sutra do its job, rather than that I had started voluntarily to push myself up off the foam. Experience does vary from individual to individual, and it's impossible to know what it's like for anybody else. I don't think I am a 'TB'. On the other hand the facts is the facts. I find it hard to 'explain away'. Believe me - I've tried (though coward-like I remain agnostic). Me too. The various theories that have been proposed to explain it away, it seems to me, raise as many questions as they answer. *Something* unusual is going on neurophysiologically. The only indication I have that it has anything to do with levitation, however, is that on a couple of occasions for a split-second at the apex of a hop, I've suddenly known that staying up in the air would be perfectly natural--in the same way I know I'm going to come right down again on all other occasions. Have you had the experience of going up, then down again but not quite to the ground before you went up again ? It's quite interesting, like having an invisible cushion beneath. But of course that goes away virtually instantaneously. You wouldn't be able to capture any in-air hesitation with any kind of measuring instrument or camera. Yes, that briefest suspension aloft. My flashiest experience, I hopped into the air and didn't stop until I put my hand out to stop from crashing into a counter. That was twenty years ago, and it did its work. Broke a lot of boundaries, just to have that momentary suspension. Then, other stuff (from TMSP) came along too, integrating itself into normal life. Why argue for our limitations?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi on History Chan to Carol Emily
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: Hey, PaliGap, nice to see you here again. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, PaliGap wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: (snip I remember when I first started to hop, after a couple days. I had found myself bouncing--involuntarily--without getting off the foam. After awhile, I let go of something somehow mentally, and then I immediately began to hop. Let 'er rip describes it, but I don't know whether that's the same as what you experienced. It's as if I had not been letting the sutra do its job, rather than that I had started voluntarily to push myself up off the foam. Experience does vary from individual to individual, and it's impossible to know what it's like for anybody else. I don't think I am a 'TB'. On the other hand the facts is the facts. I find it hard to 'explain away'. Believe me - I've tried (though coward-like I remain agnostic). Me too. The various theories that have been proposed to explain it away, it seems to me, raise as many questions as they answer. *Something* unusual is going on neurophysiologically. The only indication I have that it has anything to do with levitation, however, is that on a couple of occasions for a split-second at the apex of a hop, I've suddenly known that staying up in the air would be perfectly natural--in the same way I know I'm going to come right down again on all other occasions. Just as it did on that occasion. But of course that goes away virtually instantaneously. You wouldn't be able to capture any in-air hesitation with any kind of measuring instrument or camera. The feeling might go away instantaneously but to an observer you never shifted from the parabolic curve you started when you lifted off. So it doesn't really matter how you feel when jumping in the air, all that matters from a is levitation possible viewpoint is whether you stay there or not. And of *course* a slo-mo camera would capture any mid air hesitation, if there was any. It's one of the big tells that MUM hasn't even attempted to prove that yogic flying is anything other than a strange form of mentally disconnected excercise. All the money and equipment they have and they never even *tried* to prove that people are lighter when saying the magic words or even that they pause at the top of a curve. How about checking the parabolic curve, easy to test - all you have to do is measure the amount of force at take-off and the distance and angle travelled. But I suspect we all know the answer to these questions. The laws of nature can't be over ridden by thinking the opposite, great if they could but I think even a tea-leaf reading maniac like John Hagelin knows we can't just opt out of the laws of physics. And before anyone says I don't know what I'm talking about I did yogic flying for 10 years, including a great many long WPAs. I never saw anyone break the laws of physics but like every believer I thought I could, and once had an experience that made me think I was was wafting up the room like a feather. That's what it was, an experience that *made me think* I was wafting up the room like a feather. Really nice (in my top ten good experiences actually) but easily explainable in simpler terms than me changing the direction of gravity. It's like driving a car somewhere and when you arrive you realise you can't remember the journey. The body is easily capable of doing familiar routines without conscious input so your mind can wander off and do other stuff. Couple that with an altered state of consciousness and the strong expectation of actual flight and we can believe anything that happens is more than what it is. Any casual observer will tell you the truth of it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi on History Chan to Carol Emily
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: Experience does vary from individual to individual, and it's impossible to know what it's like for anybody else. Bingo, and that's why discussing it makes no sense. Regarding Henning; I had no idea it was in the news, and the fellows organizing all that in Vlodrop probably didn't read american newspapers.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi on History Chan to Carol Emily
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol wrote: One reason I brought up the old Way videos is because when I have seen them (they are available via non-public venues), I get the good energy feeling when I see Doctor (as some of the old timers called him). All my personal interactions with Wierwille (which were only a few) were very warm. But I now know much more about the lying side of this man...and about his ab-use of people all the while teaching love and grace and kindness. As I continued to watch the MMY video I thought, Hmmm. Had Wierwille not died in 1985, I wonder if The Way would have continued to grow like the TMO continued to grow. After Wierwille's death, off shoot groups began flourishing and The Way began dying. I stuck around the dying tree for another 20 years after Wierwille died. The Way still exists...but it shrank in a huge way. I believe without the group's leader there can hardly be an ongoing, thriving community of people, especially if that group is smaller and more intimate. I think these groups are about community as much as anything else and about belonging and interpersonal relationships between not only the members but between the members and the group 'leader', and there always is one. So much of the attraction to a 'group' is the attraction to the 'head' of it because they are perceived as the special one, the knower, the gifted, the wisest. And there are not too many of these collections of people who gather together because the 'head' man or woman is boring, dull or essentially 'unattractive' in some way. There is an incredible feeling of anticipation, excitement and specialness when one is a close participant in some movement like this. **l --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: Even now when I look at old video of Maha I feel good energy within me, yet when I look now also, I see what a bs'er he was - when people ask him specific questions, he often gave what turned out to be a very circular answer that meanders until the person asking the question and the listeners have completely forgotten what the question was. And you are correct - he was definitely into self-aggrandizement. From: Carol To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 9:54 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi on History Chan to Carol Emily  Just starting to watch this Share and LG. My first response is...MMY strikes me as a narcissist. Funny that...because we I saw him on video during SCI (which I think I took at least 2 times?), I was enamored with him. I looked at him as a guru. Other thoughts as I watch it: ...Very 70s. ;D ...It reminds me of videos about The Way (the group I was with) from the 70s and the leader and founder of The Way (Dr. Wierwille). I don't think any of those videos are readily available on the web, but an article from LIFE magazine is. You can see it hear: The Groovy Christians of Rye, NY http://tinyurl.com/56xggs *** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: Thanks for posting this laughinggull.àCarol and Emily, this is a good overview of the whole TM world, with 2 comments:àTM is absolutely NOT about repeating a mantra; and yogic flying does not involve TRYING to fly or bounce. From: laughinggull108 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 7:07 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi Mahesh Yogi on History Channel àhttp://blip.tv/raja-felix/maharishi-on-history-channel-3723794
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi on History Chan to Carol Emily
Judy, thanks for the reminder. I've long forgotten the checking notes. During the 1975-6 MIU school year we took TTC Phase 1 during Forest Academy. We got the checking notes and also lecture training. Some later went on to Phase 111. I am not and never have been a memorizer of words but I'm grateful for the TM teachers who have that skill and willingness. It was the way Alan Waite said it in the film that raised my hackles. Anytime someone says repeating the mantra, making it sound like the hammering of a nail, I cringe. Perfect way to ruin a subtle process. Anyway, I remember with great nostalgia giggle giggle my first flight. It was on the last day of our flying block in September 1978. Suddenly I was propelled across the room, as if kicked by an angel. That's always how I describe it because that's always how I remember it feeling. Now to preserve my back I hop on stacked foam like sitting on the side of a bed. So not so much angel kicks any more. But much more restful alertness during the process. Effort would overshadow that. And I agree that it would take effort to not bounce. Thanks for that point too. And perhaps I'm just in a nostalgic mood this Monday morning, but I also remember fondly when turq told me to STFU and that made me giggle and bounce even more during YF. As Richard would say, go figure! From: authfriend authfri...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 10:54 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi on History Chan to Carol Emily --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: Thanks for posting this laughinggull. Carol and Emily, this is a good overview of the whole TM world, with 2 comments: TM is absolutely NOT about repeating a mantra; and yogic flying does not involve TRYING to fly or bounce. Part of it is. The mantra and repetition have to begin the process Actually not, not if repetition means more than one iteration of the mantra. You could conceivably think it *once* and immediately transcend, even go through the whole mantra-transcend-thoughts cycle multiple times during a meditation without ever thinking the mantra twice in a row. Share, the words repeat and repetition *are* used in several places in the checking notes. In most cases, repetition of the mantra does occur, but it's correct to say TM is not *about* repetition. Subtle but crucial distinction. (Caveat: I am not a TM teacher. I took checker training, but I never got around to being certified. If I've gotten anything wrong, corrections from teachers are welcome.) and hopping around involves energy and effort whether you realize this or not. On my siddhis course my friend and I were the last to hop and the instructor sat with us until we did so. Having languished for days watching my friends in my pod plop around on foam and make strange noises my friend and I finally looked at each other and let 'er rip. We had to try or we weren't going to graduate from that summer course. Finally we gave in and joined the crowd. It was never that effortless to bounce and I certainly never flew. So at least on my siddhis course we had to do whatever it took to move off our butts and it involved trying or at least exerting an intention. Maybe it is all in the semantics. The sutras *are* intentions, according to Maharishi. FWIW, on my flying block there were several women who never hopped, and they graduated with the rest of us. They weren't bullied into faking it (as it sounds like you may have been). They weren't happy about not hopping, but the Sidhis administrator (Georgina Wilson) told them not to worry about it, they would still get the benefits of the practice. Trying to hop was most definitely a no-no. Certainly hopping involves muscular effort (although the extent to which one is aware of that varies); the question is how the signal to contract is sent to the muscles. For me, it's involuntary--it would take effort *not* to hop. It's like a yawn or a sneeze or the knee-jerk reflex. The signal to the muscles originates somewhere other than it would if I hopped without using the sutra. I remember when I first started to hop, after a couple days. I had found myself bouncing--involuntarily--without getting off the foam. After awhile, I let go of something somehow mentally, and then I immediately began to hop. Let 'er rip describes it, but I don't know whether that's the same as what you experienced. It's as if I had not been letting the sutra do its job, rather than that I had started voluntarily to push myself up off the foam. Experience does vary from individual to individual, and it's impossible to know what it's like for anybody else.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi on History Chan to Carol Emily
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: Experience does vary from individual to individual, and it's impossible to know what it's like for anybody else. Bingo, and that's why discussing it makes no sense. Regarding Henning; I had no idea it was in the news, and the fellows organizing all that in Vlodrop probably didn't read american newspapers. Habby, Nabby. Of course they would have known about it, whether they read American newspapers or not. They'd have been following his illness like hawks, knowing that once he died, their game would be up. American newspapers would hardly have been their only source of information. Plus which, all the Beatles were (and still are) international figures. I'd be surprised if the Dutch papers hadn't reported on Harrison's decline as well. Get a checking, Nabs!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi on History Chan to Carol Emily
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: (snip) It was the way Alan Waite said it in the film that raised my hackles. Anytime someone says repeating the mantra, making it sound like the hammering of a nail, I cringe. Perfect way to ruin a subtle process. I agree. It's such a subtle point, though, that you can't really expect nonpractitioners to pick up on it. Even new practitioners often don't get it. That's why checking is so important. I've heard TM teachers say--quoting Maharishi, I believe-- that TM isn't about holding onto the mantra, it's about *losing* the mantra. Of course it isn't about that either in the sense that one *tries* to lose the mantra, but it's a little closer.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi on History Chan to Carol Emily
Just starting to watch this Share and LG. My first response is...MMY strikes me as a narcissist. Funny that...because we I saw him on video during SCI (which I think I took at least 2 times?), I was enamored with him. I looked at him as a guru. Other thoughts as I watch it: ...Very 70s. ;D ...It reminds me of videos about The Way (the group I was with) from the 70s and the leader and founder of The Way (Dr. Wierwille). I don't think any of those videos are readily available on the web, but an article from LIFE magazine is. You can see it hear: The Groovy Christians of Rye, NY http://tinyurl.com/56xggs *** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: Thanks for posting this laughinggull. Carol and Emily, this is a good overview of the whole TM world, with 2 comments: TM is absolutely NOT about repeating a mantra; and yogic flying does not involve TRYING to fly or bounce. From: laughinggull108 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 7:07 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi Mahesh Yogi on History Channel  http://blip.tv/raja-felix/maharishi-on-history-channel-3723794
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi on History Chan to Carol Emily
Interesting Ann. Again, I think of The Way. Everyone in The Way speaks in tongues...everyone. A person is led into tongues during the Foundational Class. (There are more classes of course after the Foundational Class.) The leader of the class will sit with the new student until the new student speaks in tongues. That aspect is quite similar to someone making sure you did your flying bounce or bouncing flight on the TMO siddha. Another tidbit I just thought of When I got involved with The Way and got convinced that The Way taught *the truth* as it hadn't been known since the first century, and as I became indoctrinated to believe that The Way's teachings regarding other religions or philosophies or movements that proclaimed they had the truth were all counterfeits, I believed (at that time) that SCI and TM were counterfeits. The Way's foundational class at that time cost $100 for 36 to 45 hours of teaching on a video. Dr. Wierwille, the man of God for the world, taught that class at that time. I took that class a couple years after taking SCI which it seems at the time (1976) cost me (as a student) around $100. I thought I was spiritually enlightened that I could spiritually see how SCI was a counterfeit of The Way's Power for Abundant Living. Now I think neither has or had *the truth.* They both have bits of truth I reckon, or people would most likely not be attracted to either. I think both men who headed up these movements were probably narcissists. No offense intended for MMY followers...it's just my opinion. *** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: Thanks for posting this laughinggull. Carol and Emily, this is a good overview of the whole TM world, with 2 comments: TM is absolutely NOT about repeating a mantra; and yogic flying does not involve TRYING to fly or bounce. Part of it is. The mantra and repetition have to begin the process and hopping around involves energy and effort whether you realize this or not. On my siddhis course my friend and I were the last to hop and the instructor sat with us until we did so. Having languished for days watching my friends in my pod plop around on foam and make strange noises my friend and I finally looked at each other and let 'er rip. We had to try or we weren't going to graduate from that summer course. Finally we gave in and joined the crowd. It was never that effortless to bounce and I certainly never flew. So at least on my siddhis course we had to do whatever it took to move off our butts and it involved trying or at least exerting an intention. Maybe it is all in the semantics. From: laughinggull108 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 7:07 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi Mahesh Yogi on History Channel  http://blip.tv/raja-felix/maharishi-on-history-channel-3723794
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi on History Chan to Carol Emily
typo: because when I saw him...not we I saw him --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol wrote: Just starting to watch this Share and LG. My first response is...MMY strikes me as a narcissist. Funny that...because we I saw him on video during SCI (which I think I took at least 2 times?), I was enamored with him. I looked at him as a guru. Other thoughts as I watch it: ...Very 70s. ;D ...It reminds me of videos about The Way (the group I was with) from the 70s and the leader and founder of The Way (Dr. Wierwille). I don't think any of those videos are readily available on the web, but an article from LIFE magazine is. You can see it hear: The Groovy Christians of Rye, NY http://tinyurl.com/56xggs *** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: Thanks for posting this laughinggull. Carol and Emily, this is a good overview of the whole TM world, with 2 comments: TM is absolutely NOT about repeating a mantra; and yogic flying does not involve TRYING to fly or bounce. From: laughinggull108 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 7:07 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi Mahesh Yogi on History Channel  http://blip.tv/raja-felix/maharishi-on-history-channel-3723794
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi on History Chan to Carol Emily
Even now when I look at old video of Maha I feel good energy within me, yet when I look now also, I see what a bs'er he was - when people ask him specific questions, he often gave what turned out to be a very circular answer that meanders until the person asking the question and the listeners have completely forgotten what the question was. And you are correct - he was definitely into self-aggrandizement. From: Carol jchwe...@gmail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 9:54 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi on History Chan to Carol Emily Just starting to watch this Share and LG. My first response is...MMY strikes me as a narcissist. Funny that...because we I saw him on video during SCI (which I think I took at least 2 times?), I was enamored with him. I looked at him as a guru. Other thoughts as I watch it: ...Very 70s. ;D ...It reminds me of videos about The Way (the group I was with) from the 70s and the leader and founder of The Way (Dr. Wierwille). I don't think any of those videos are readily available on the web, but an article from LIFE magazine is. You can see it hear: The Groovy Christians of Rye, NY http://tinyurl.com/56xggs *** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: Thanks for posting this laughinggull. Carol and Emily, this is a good overview of the whole TM world, with 2 comments: TM is absolutely NOT about repeating a mantra; and yogic flying does not involve TRYING to fly or bounce. From: laughinggull108 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 7:07 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi Mahesh Yogi on History Channel  http://blip.tv/raja-felix/maharishi-on-history-channel-3723794
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi on History Chan to Carol Emily
Don't worry about giving offense - everybody offends everybody else here at one time or another. From: Carol jchwe...@gmail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 10:13 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi on History Chan to Carol Emily Interesting Ann. Again, I think of The Way. Everyone in The Way speaks in tongues...everyone. A person is led into tongues during the Foundational Class. (There are more classes of course after the Foundational Class.) The leader of the class will sit with the new student until the new student speaks in tongues. That aspect is quite similar to someone making sure you did your flying bounce or bouncing flight on the TMO siddha. Another tidbit I just thought of When I got involved with The Way and got convinced that The Way taught *the truth* as it hadn't been known since the first century, and as I became indoctrinated to believe that The Way's teachings regarding other religions or philosophies or movements that proclaimed they had the truth were all counterfeits, I believed (at that time) that SCI and TM were counterfeits. The Way's foundational class at that time cost $100 for 36 to 45 hours of teaching on a video. Dr. Wierwille, the man of God for the world, taught that class at that time. I took that class a couple years after taking SCI which it seems at the time (1976) cost me (as a student) around $100. I thought I was spiritually enlightened that I could spiritually see how SCI was a counterfeit of The Way's Power for Abundant Living. Now I think neither has or had *the truth.* They both have bits of truth I reckon, or people would most likely not be attracted to either. I think both men who headed up these movements were probably narcissists. No offense intended for MMY followers...it's just my opinion. *** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: Thanks for posting this laughinggull. Carol and Emily, this is a good overview of the whole TM world, with 2 comments: TM is absolutely NOT about repeating a mantra; and yogic flying does not involve TRYING to fly or bounce. Part of it is. The mantra and repetition have to begin the process and hopping around involves energy and effort whether you realize this or not. On my siddhis course my friend and I were the last to hop and the instructor sat with us until we did so. Having languished for days watching my friends in my pod plop around on foam and make strange noises my friend and I finally looked at each other and let 'er rip. We had to try or we weren't going to graduate from that summer course. Finally we gave in and joined the crowd. It was never that effortless to bounce and I certainly never flew. So at least on my siddhis course we had to do whatever it took to move off our butts and it involved trying or at least exerting an intention. Maybe it is all in the semantics. From: laughinggull108 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 7:07 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi Mahesh Yogi on History Channel  http://blip.tv/raja-felix/maharishi-on-history-channel-3723794
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi on History Chan to Carol Emily
One reason I brought up the old Way videos is because when I have seen them (they are available via non-public venues), I get the good energy feeling when I see Doctor (as some of the old timers called him). All my personal interactions with Wierwille (which were only a few) were very warm. But I now know much more about the lying side of this man...and about his ab-use of people all the while teaching love and grace and kindness. As I continued to watch the MMY video I thought, Hmmm. Had Wierwille not died in 1985, I wonder if The Way would have continued to grow like the TMO continued to grow. After Wierwille's death, off shoot groups began flourishing and The Way began dying. I stuck around the dying tree for another 20 years after Wierwille died. The Way still exists...but it shrank in a huge way. *** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: Even now when I look at old video of Maha I feel good energy within me, yet when I look now also, I see what a bs'er he was - when people ask him specific questions, he often gave what turned out to be a very circular answer that meanders until the person asking the question and the listeners have completely forgotten what the question was. And you are correct - he was definitely into self-aggrandizement. From: Carol To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 9:54 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi on History Chan to Carol Emily  Just starting to watch this Share and LG. My first response is...MMY strikes me as a narcissist. Funny that...because we I saw him on video during SCI (which I think I took at least 2 times?), I was enamored with him. I looked at him as a guru. Other thoughts as I watch it: ...Very 70s. ;D ...It reminds me of videos about The Way (the group I was with) from the 70s and the leader and founder of The Way (Dr. Wierwille). I don't think any of those videos are readily available on the web, but an article from LIFE magazine is. You can see it hear: The Groovy Christians of Rye, NY http://tinyurl.com/56xggs *** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: Thanks for posting this laughinggull.àCarol and Emily, this is a good overview of the whole TM world, with 2 comments:àTM is absolutely NOT about repeating a mantra; and yogic flying does not involve TRYING to fly or bounce. From: laughinggull108 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 7:07 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi Mahesh Yogi on History Channel àhttp://blip.tv/raja-felix/maharishi-on-history-channel-3723794
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi on History Chan to Carol Emily
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: Thanks for posting this laughinggull. Carol and Emily, this is a good overview of the whole TM world, with 2 comments: TM is absolutely NOT about repeating a mantra; and yogic flying does not involve TRYING to fly or bounce. Part of it is. The mantra and repetition have to begin the process Actually not, not if repetition means more than one iteration of the mantra. You could conceivably think it *once* and immediately transcend, even go through the whole mantra-transcend-thoughts cycle multiple times during a meditation without ever thinking the mantra twice in a row. Share, the words repeat and repetition *are* used in several places in the checking notes. In most cases, repetition of the mantra does occur, but it's correct to say TM is not *about* repetition. Subtle but crucial distinction. (Caveat: I am not a TM teacher. I took checker training, but I never got around to being certified. If I've gotten anything wrong, corrections from teachers are welcome.) and hopping around involves energy and effort whether you realize this or not. On my siddhis course my friend and I were the last to hop and the instructor sat with us until we did so. Having languished for days watching my friends in my pod plop around on foam and make strange noises my friend and I finally looked at each other and let 'er rip. We had to try or we weren't going to graduate from that summer course. Finally we gave in and joined the crowd. It was never that effortless to bounce and I certainly never flew. So at least on my siddhis course we had to do whatever it took to move off our butts and it involved trying or at least exerting an intention. Maybe it is all in the semantics. The sutras *are* intentions, according to Maharishi. FWIW, on my flying block there were several women who never hopped, and they graduated with the rest of us. They weren't bullied into faking it (as it sounds like you may have been). They weren't happy about not hopping, but the Sidhis administrator (Georgina Wilson) told them not to worry about it, they would still get the benefits of the practice. Trying to hop was most definitely a no-no. Certainly hopping involves muscular effort (although the extent to which one is aware of that varies); the question is how the signal to contract is sent to the muscles. For me, it's involuntary--it would take effort *not* to hop. It's like a yawn or a sneeze or the knee-jerk reflex. The signal to the muscles originates somewhere other than it would if I hopped without using the sutra. I remember when I first started to hop, after a couple days. I had found myself bouncing--involuntarily--without getting off the foam. After awhile, I let go of something somehow mentally, and then I immediately began to hop. Let 'er rip describes it, but I don't know whether that's the same as what you experienced. It's as if I had not been letting the sutra do its job, rather than that I had started voluntarily to push myself up off the foam. Experience does vary from individual to individual, and it's impossible to know what it's like for anybody else.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi - Satguru to the whole world
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shukra69 shukra69@... wrote: Shankaracharya Vasudevanada Saraswati Maharaja has described Maharishi as Satguru to the whole world. Many others have expressed similarly: http://mmy.klemke.de/M207.pdf Beautiful, thank you for posting this. Jim, did you read the words of Raj Mata of Lucknow ?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi - Satguru to the whole world
Fabulous, thanks. There's a lot of saints. -Buck http://mmy.klemke.de/M207.pdf
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi - Satguru to the whole world
Fabulous, thanks. There's a lot of saints. -Buck http://mmy.klemke.de/M207.pdf Have firm faith and keep the company of saints, mahatmas, and wise people. Only then will the purpose of your life will be fulfilled. -Guru Dev SBS, Maharishi's teacher.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi videos
thx, some type of Vaisnava Guru; has Hare-Krishna look-a-like disciples: Gallery pics change automatically after a few sec. Check them out. http://www.ramakrishnananda.com/en/teachings/images/vishwa-dharma-mandalam/?GalleryID=106 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@... wrote: http://www.ramakrishnananda.com/en/videos/hinduism-and-the-vedic-culture/spiritual-masters-of-hinduism/hh-maharishi-mahesh-yogi/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi on meditation and alkaline body
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, It's just a ride bill.hicks.all.a.r...@... wrote: On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 6:14 PM, Vajvajradh...@... wrote: On Aug 1, 2009, at 11:28 AM, nablusoss1008 wrote: I'm not sure if I have this exact, but I can remember two things Rick has commented on that Amma has said, one in general, another more specific. Another time he asked her what was her opinion of MMY and she said she would tell him, but he would have to promise to never repeat what she said to anyone else. It may be fair to assume therefore, since she did NOT want it repeated and based on her previous remark, her opinion is not a very high one. It would be bad for business if Rick went around telling people that Amma admits she's much ado about nothing and Maharishi is the real thing. Bingo !
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi on meditation and alkaline body
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: From an audio recording (No 2) made in Hochgurgelin in 1962 - (Thanks to Jörg Schenk) Question: I have the feeling that the state of restful alertness (during TM) is concentrated in the forehead... Maharishi: Some day in the first week of the course, I think I have said, that the whole brain matter becomes illuminant. Illuminant means nothing remains inactive and nothing remains active. A state of all the experiencing nerves between talamus and cortex, they are neither active nor passive. Just ready to be either active or passive. In that state of pure consciousness, in that glow... Question: Can this state of suspension be prolonged indefinite and if so, what is the effect on the brain cells? Maharishi: Yes, it can be prolonged indefinite. If it is held for very long time, the body will become alkaline. Because, not to decay is the quality of alkaline body. And as long as the individual mind gets to that universal consciousness, the body has to be intact.. In order that it remains intact, it becomes alkaline. If the body is acidic, more of acid in the system, then the oxygen going in becomes carbondioxide. If the body is acidic, more carbondioxide is produced. To throw it out, the exhalations become deeper, heavier. When the exhalations become heavier, inhalations become correspondingly heavier also. So the breath flows heavy when the system is acidic. Opposite to this, when the acidity becomes less then the breath becomes slow. That is why during meditation the breath becomes slow, the body becomes less acidic, more alkaline. This is the reason why the body lasts longer for those who meditate, long life. With meditation the blood chemistry changes, becomes less acidic, more alkaline... ...taking into consideration the slowing of the breath during meditation we conclude without even experimenting and without even testing that the system becomes less acidic... Very interesting, I've never read this before, thanks for posting this Rick ! I wonder what Amma would say about these topics, if anything ? Overall, did you ever ask her an interesting question on this level at all ? If so, what what was the question/answer ? Why did you have to sit in full Lotus in front of Amma rescently Rick, would not a half-lotus or even just plainly sitting there do ? Did you not simply want show off what you learned during your assosciation with Maharishi ? If so you are a coward; on the one hand you brag about your association with Saints, with the other hand you use the dagger. Just like paul.m.
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From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2009 10:29 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi on meditation and alkaline body I wonder what Amma would say about these topics, if anything ? Overall, did you ever ask her an interesting question on this level at all ? If so, what what was the question/answer ? I've asked her a bunch of questions over the years. None related to this. Why did you have to sit in full Lotus in front of Amma rescently Rick, would not a half-lotus or even just plainly sitting there do ? I've been sitting in full lotus since I was a child. It's very comfortable for me. I think you're referring to the attached photo, which was posted on Karunamayi website and was taken during a group meditation when she visited Fairfield. Did you not simply want show off what you learned during your assosciation with Maharishi ? Nope. I was sitting in lotus at least 10 years before I met Maharishi (which I did when I was 18). It's just the most comfortable way for me to sit on a hard floor. If so you are a coward; on the one hand you brag about your association with Saints, with the other hand you use the dagger. When did I brag about my association with saints? Dig deeper Nabby. There are explanations for things - sometimes much more innocent ones - other than the ones your accusatory little brain is capable of dredging up.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi on meditation and alkaline body
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2009 10:29 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi on meditation and alkaline body I wonder what Amma would say about these topics, if anything ? Overall, did you ever ask her an interesting question on this level at all ? If so, what what was the question/answer ? I've asked her a bunch of questions over the years. None related to this. Any question/answer of particular interest you would like to share ? Why did you have to sit in full Lotus in front of Amma rescently Rick, would not a half-lotus or even just plainly sitting there do ? I've been sitting in full lotus since I was a child. It's very comfortable for me. I think you're referring to the attached photo, which was posted on Karunamayi website and was taken during a group meditation when she visited Fairfield. Did you not simply want show off what you learned during your assosciation with Maharishi ? Nope. I was sitting in lotus at least 10 years before I met Maharishi (which I did when I was 18). It's just the most comfortable way for me to sit on a hard floor. At 8 you sat in full Lotus ? Very good and congratulations ! If so you are a coward; on the one hand you brag about your association with Saints, with the other hand you use the dagger. When did I brag about my association with saints? Dig deeper Nabby. There are explanations for things - sometimes much more innocent ones - other than the ones your accusatory little brain is capable of dredging up. I'm comfy with having an accusatory little brain thank you very much. One day perhaps it also could understand how your activities can be called innocent.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi on meditation and alkaline body
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2009 11:48 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi on meditation and alkaline body Nope. I was sitting in lotus at least 10 years before I met Maharishi (which I did when I was 18). It's just the most comfortable way for me to sit on a hard floor. At 8 you sat in full Lotus ? Very good and congratulations ! I remember playing around with some friends, trying to contort our bodies into various positions, and I discovered lotus. Won a prize at a birthday party once for doing it. I'm comfy with having an accusatory little brain thank you very much. One day perhaps it also could understand how your activities can be called innocent. Here's a hint: I try not to have an agenda. I'm not trying to sell or defend a point of view. My point of view can be more accurately described as a points of view. That's why you'll find me posting very positive things about MMY/TM and then posting other things that might be construed as negative. I don't see them as negative so much as things that appear to have happened. I find it useful to try to accommodate the good, the bad, and the ugly in one brain. In other words, to not argue with reality. If I accept that a negative thing happened, that doesn't make me incapable of accepting the positive things, and vice versa. Besides, negative and positive, right and wrong, are very subjective judgments. Very much determined by cultural conditioning and very hard to ascribe any sort of absolute value to.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi on meditation and alkaline body
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: Here's a hint: I try not to have an agenda. I'm not trying to sell or defend a point of view. My point of view can be more accurately described as a points of view. That's why you'll find me posting very positive things about MMY/TM and then posting other things that might be construed as negative. I don't see them as negative so much as things that appear to have happened. I find it useful to try to accommodate the good, the bad, and the ugly in one brain. In other words, to not argue with reality. If I accept that a negative thing happened, that doesn't make me incapable of accepting the positive things, and vice versa. Besides, negative and positive, right and wrong, are very subjective judgments. Very much determined by cultural conditioning and very hard to ascribe any sort of absolute value to. Well said. And I agree completely with your self-assessment, and with the way I see you present yourself on this forum. What the TBs cannot understand -- because, IMO, of their brainwashing -- is that one can *easily* hold one POV on Maharishi that embraces his positive image and *at the same time* embrace another that is completely comfortable with a more negative image. They were taught that this is not possible, that focusing on negativity was BAD. If one indulges in it, there is only one justifiable punishment -- total and complete banishment. By even *thinking* negatively about Maharishi, one has forfeited the right to hang with those who never have. Maharishi Mahesh Yogi was a man. End of story. As such, he did things that were nice, and things that were shitty. Those who try to convince us that he only did the nice things and never did any of the shitty ones are probably going to try to convince us of the same thing about themselves. We are free to laugh at them as they try.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: snip What the TBs cannot understand -- because, IMO, of their brainwashing -- is that one can *easily* hold one POV on Maharishi that embraces his positive image and *at the same time* embrace another that is completely comfortable with a more negative image. Said, astonishingly, without a *trace* of irony. Again, anyone whose view of MMY is different from Barry's must hold that view because they've been *brainwashed*. Barry is incapable of understanding that there can be more than one legitimate point of view about MMY. The question is, who brainwashed Barry?
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi on meditation and alkaline body
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of TurquoiseB Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2009 12:46 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi on meditation and alkaline body What the TBs cannot understand -- because, IMO, of their brainwashing -- is that one can *easily* hold one POV on Maharishi that embraces his positive image and *at the same time* embrace another that is completely comfortable with a more negative image. They were taught that this is not possible, that focusing on negativity was BAD. If one indulges in it, there is only one justifiable punishment -- total and complete banishment. By even *thinking* negatively about Maharishi, one has forfeited the right to hang with those who never have. There's a lot of truth in that. I and others got kicked out of the TM movement for beginning to think independently without worrying about the possible consequences. A while after this happened to me, I was chatting on the phone with a fellow who at one time had been my best friend. I was expressing this ambivalent, all possibilities attitude about Maharishi - that there was no need to take all his pronouncements as absolutes, that much of what he said and did may have been expressions of cultural conditioning and personal idiosyncrasies rather than cosmic perspectives. If we had been meeting in person, I'm sure I would have seen the color drain from his face. His voice sounded ashen and he quickly terminated the call. He hasn't returned a phone call or an email since then.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi on meditation and alkaline body
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip What the TBs cannot understand -- because, IMO, of their brainwashing -- is that one can *easily* hold one POV on Maharishi that embraces his positive image and *at the same time* embrace another that is completely comfortable with a more negative image. Said, astonishingly, without a *trace* of irony. Again, anyone whose view of MMY is different from Barry's must hold that view because they've been *brainwashed*. Barry is incapable of understanding that there can be more than one legitimate point of view about MMY. The question is, who brainwashed Barry? Barry can make some good points about MMY and the TMO, as he did earlier in the day. But Judy's point shouldn't be lost: who brainwashed Barry? I suggest that Barry is sucseptible to brainwashing and that he was, indeed, brainwashed by...the TMO! I myself have always held the cynical but respectful view of this teaching (I think it's the greatest thing since apple pie but believe the TMO is full of crap) pretty much since I first started getting involved with them. But Barry must have fell for it hook, line, and sinker...or else why does he think the way he does? Of course, there are always going to be the Nabby's of every organisation; you can't help that. But to define MY experience with TM and the TMO by holding up Nabby, Barry, is not only wrong but unfair. Give me some credit for being able to think for myself, please.
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On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 1:27 PM, Rick Archer r...@searchsummit.com wrote: There's a lot of truth in that. I and others got kicked out of the TM movement for beginning to think independently without worrying about the possible consequences. A while after this happened to me, I was chatting on the phone with a fellow who at one time had been my best friend. I was expressing this ambivalent, all possibilities attitude about Maharishi - that there was no need to take all his pronouncements as absolutes, that much of what he said and did may have been expressions of cultural conditioning and personal idiosyncrasies rather than cosmic perspectives. If we had been meeting in person, I'm sure I would have seen the color drain from his face. His voice sounded ashen and he quickly terminated the call. He hasn't returned a phone call or an email since then. I never thought independently that Maharishi was a god or spoke the truth of the gods. It was the initiators, in advanced lectures and on residence courses who told us that Maharishi spoke from the home of all the laws of nature and therefore spoke only the truth, that which is true on every level of creation, as perceived from every state of consciousness. How did it all start, this business that Maharishi could speak only the truth, that which was true at every level, from every vantage point? Was it Maharishi himself who said this and encouraged his belief or was it his BN followers? Art imitates life. I remember the reporter from the Village Voice telling Alfie in Annie Hall that people consider Maharishi God. That millions of people would crawl on their hands and knees across the country merely to be able to touch the hem of his garment. My meditator friends and I laughed and laughed when we saw that scene. While my friends and I were laughing, it appears the hardcore TMers were going off to TTC and Six Month courses to be with He they believed were God. Is that the way it is? Would TM have been better if Maharishi didn't have all of these BN initiators?
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From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of It's just a ride Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2009 3:00 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi on meditation and alkaline body I never thought independently that Maharishi was a god or spoke the truth of the gods. It was the initiators, in advanced lectures and on residence courses who told us that Maharishi spoke from the home of all the laws of nature and therefore spoke only the truth, that which is true on every level of creation, as perceived from every state of consciousness. How did it all start, this business that Maharishi could speak only the truth, that which was true at every level, from every vantage point? Was it Maharishi himself who said this and encouraged his belief or was it his BN followers? Maharishi often spoke of getting in tune with his thinking. The idea, sometimes explicit, sometimes implicit, was that he saw things clearly and that if you differed with him, you weren't seeing things as clearly. In his commentary on the Gita, Maharishi talks about putting aside one's own petty ways of thinking and feeling and attuning ones thoughts and feelings to the enlightened mind of the Master. This has always been an underlying guideline in the TMO. If you didn't buy into East-facing houses, world's tallest buildings, Nader getting his weight in gold, etc., you were out of tune with MMY's thinking. You wouldn't advance far in the organization and your very evolution was in peril. So consequently, TB's buy into all these ideas, in some cases try to concoct a rational explanation for them, but failing that, take them on faith and assume that they will understand them someday when their perspective has become sufficiently cosmic.
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On Aug 1, 2009, at 11:28 AM, nablusoss1008 wrote: Very interesting, I've never read this before, thanks for posting this Rick ! I wonder what Amma would say about these topics, if anything ? Overall, did you ever ask her an interesting question on this level at all ? If so, what what was the question/answer ? I'm not sure if I have this exact, but I can remember two things Rick has commented on that Amma has said, one in general, another more specific. The first one was that gurus who were involved in scandals (money mishandling, sex with students, etc.); none of these gurus were jivan-muktis, that is, enlightened or liberated. Another time he asked her what was her opinion of MMY and she said she would tell him, but he would have to promise to never repeat what she said to anyone else. It may be fair to assume therefore, since she did NOT want it repeated and based on her previous remark, her opinion is not a very high one.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi on meditation and alkaline body
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, It's just a ride bill.hicks.all.a.r...@... wrote: On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 1:27 PM, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: There's a lot of truth in that. I and others got kicked out of the TM movement for beginning to think independently without worrying about the possible consequences. A while after this happened to me, I was chatting on the phone with a fellow who at one time had been my best friend. I was expressing this ambivalent, all possibilities attitude about Maharishi - that there was no need to take all his pronouncements as absolutes, that much of what he said and did may have been expressions of cultural conditioning and personal idiosyncrasies rather than cosmic perspectives. If we had been meeting in person, I'm sure I would have seen the color drain from his face. His voice sounded ashen and he quickly terminated the call. He hasn't returned a phone call or an email since then. I never thought independently that Maharishi was a god or spoke the truth of the gods. It was the initiators, in advanced lectures and on residence courses who told us that Maharishi spoke from the home of all the laws of nature and therefore spoke only the truth, that which is true on every level of creation, as perceived from every state of consciousness. How did it all start, this business that Maharishi could speak only the truth, that which was true at every level, from every vantage point? Was it Maharishi himself who said this and encouraged his belief or was it his BN followers? Art imitates life. I remember the reporter from the Village Voice telling Alfie in Annie Hall that people consider Maharishi God. That millions of people would crawl on their hands and knees across the country merely to be able to touch the hem of his garment. My meditator friends and I laughed and laughed when we saw that scene. While my friends and I were laughing, it appears the hardcore TMers were going off to TTC and Six Month courses to be with He they believed were God. Is that the way it is? Would TM have been better if Maharishi didn't have all of these BN initiators? Charlie Lutes was the anecdote! :-) He wasn't too popular either. Charlie was always, 'just Charlie' and spoke mostly from his experience. He was a straight shooter, whereas MMY, well, I think he sugar coated the truth a lot. I guess he thought it would be much more palatable to us ignorant Westerners...
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On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 6:14 PM, Vajvajradh...@earthlink.net wrote: On Aug 1, 2009, at 11:28 AM, nablusoss1008 wrote: I'm not sure if I have this exact, but I can remember two things Rick has commented on that Amma has said, one in general, another more specific. Another time he asked her what was her opinion of MMY and she said she would tell him, but he would have to promise to never repeat what she said to anyone else. It may be fair to assume therefore, since she did NOT want it repeated and based on her previous remark, her opinion is not a very high one. It would be bad for business if Rick went around telling people that Amma admits she's much ado about nothing and Maharishi is the real thing.
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From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Vaj Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2009 6:15 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi on meditation and alkaline body On Aug 1, 2009, at 11:28 AM, nablusoss1008 wrote: Very interesting, I've never read this before, thanks for posting this Rick ! I wonder what Amma would say about these topics, if anything ? Overall, did you ever ask her an interesting question on this level at all ? If so, what what was the question/answer ? I'm not sure if I have this exact, but I can remember two things Rick has commented on that Amma has said, one in general, another more specific. The first one was that gurus who were involved in scandals (money mishandling, sex with students, etc.); none of these gurus were jivan-muktis, that is, enlightened or liberated. Another time he asked her what was her opinion of MMY and she said she would tell him, but he would have to promise to never repeat what she said to anyone else. It may be fair to assume therefore, since she did NOT want it repeated and based on her previous remark, her opinion is not a very high one. I have only asked her questions in public. I have never heard her say anything negative about Maharishi or any other guru. She's very careful not to do so. But she did say to a friend that charging money for meditation is like a mother charging her baby for breast milk - something to that effect.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi and Over-Priced Mantras TM
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@... wrote: Hard to believe, even on this forum, that supposedly rational people are arguing about the validity of magical sounds. That was my reaction, too, Sal. I just rolled my eyes and clicked Next. I'm waiting for the person who is awarded a Ph.D. from MUM for writing a dissertation on how the Harry Potter novels are just a watered-down form of the Bhagavad-Gita. John (jr_esq) can start. Dumbledore symbolizes Krishna, of course. Harry is Arjuna. Hagrid could be Bevan, if he ate more. Hemione doesn't count, because she's a spit woman. Voldemort symbolizes either Vaj or I, depending on who has posted most recently on FFL. The wands that Harry and the other sorcerors use symbolize their...duh...penises, which are still potent because they don't chase spit women. Half-bloods just need to get a checking, and Muggles aren't worth worrying about; after capitalism they are the next to go. :-) On Jul 11, 2009, at 5:26 PM, Bhairitu wrote: Summary of Benefits: Strengthen your aura Create divine energy through useful mantras Confidence in correct pronunciation Experience calmness and bliss Extreme relaxation Create protection from negativity Cost: $300 (includes accommodations and vegetarian meals) Relevant Links: Definition of mantra What are mantras? General information on the mantra I've run across a number of people claiming to teach about mantras. Some of them just have superficial knowledge but because its more than the average individual they can get away with it. That's not to say that this guy doesn't have a valid background but I did think he was a little careless regarding the mantra information he gave out in that video. Definitely careless. Wasn't he aware he needed to check with Mantra Central before giving anything out? I think a few yogis and tantrics would scoff at some of his statements. Scoff they would! (Scoff, scoff, scoff...) I did like the dig at the outrageous price of TM mantras. They are not priceless by any means. A wiser organization probably would have kept the price down and shortened the process. No 7 steps as they aren't necessary. Maybe a monthly (or more) intro lecture (optional) and then an appointment to learn and then one followup with optional follow-ups that are not bound to that group who learned. Much simpler
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi and Over-Priced Mantras TM
TurquoiseB wrote: I'm waiting for the person who is awarded a Ph.D. from MUM for writing a dissertation on how the Harry Potter novels are just a watered-down form of the Bhagavad-Gita... According to my sources, J.K. Rowling, the author of the Harry Potter books, is big on TM, so I wouldn't be at all surprised. Bagger Vance and R. Junuh are representations of Bhagavan (Krishna) and Arjuna, from the Hindu text The Bhagavad Gita. The lessons learned by Rannulph are loosely based on those Krishna teaches to Arjuna while masquerading as his lowly chariot driver. - Lotte Read more Amazon reviews: 'The Legend of Bagger Vance' Starring: Will Smith, Matt Damon Director: Robert Redford Dreamworks, 2000 http://tinyurl.com/l7f4ld http://tinyurl.com/l7f4ld
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Ignorance truly is bliss for some people. :-D TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@... wrote: Hard to believe, even on this forum, that supposedly rational people are arguing about the validity of magical sounds. That was my reaction, too, Sal. I just rolled my eyes and clicked Next. I'm waiting for the person who is awarded a Ph.D. from MUM for writing a dissertation on how the Harry Potter novels are just a watered-down form of the Bhagavad-Gita. John (jr_esq) can start. Dumbledore symbolizes Krishna, of course. Harry is Arjuna. Hagrid could be Bevan, if he ate more. Hemione doesn't count, because she's a spit woman. Voldemort symbolizes either Vaj or I, depending on who has posted most recently on FFL. The wands that Harry and the other sorcerors use symbolize their...duh...penises, which are still potent because they don't chase spit women. Half-bloods just need to get a checking, and Muggles aren't worth worrying about; after capitalism they are the next to go. :-) On Jul 11, 2009, at 5:26 PM, Bhairitu wrote: Summary of Benefits: Strengthen your aura Create divine energy through useful mantras Confidence in correct pronunciation Experience calmness and bliss Extreme relaxation Create protection from negativity Cost: $300 (includes accommodations and vegetarian meals) Relevant Links: Definition of mantra What are mantras? General information on the mantra I've run across a number of people claiming to teach about mantras. Some of them just have superficial knowledge but because its more than the average individual they can get away with it. That's not to say that this guy doesn't have a valid background but I did think he was a little careless regarding the mantra information he gave out in that video. Definitely careless. Wasn't he aware he needed to check with Mantra Central before giving anything out? I think a few yogis and tantrics would scoff at some of his statements. Scoff they would! (Scoff, scoff, scoff...) I did like the dig at the outrageous price of TM mantras. They are not priceless by any means. A wiser organization probably would have kept the price down and shortened the process. No 7 steps as they aren't necessary. Maybe a monthly (or more) intro lecture (optional) and then an appointment to learn and then one followup with optional follow-ups that are not bound to that group who learned. Much simpler
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi and Over-Priced Mantras TM
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote: I agree with you, Vaj on much of your criticism of the TMO and many of the things Maharishi has ended up doing. The TMO, as it has become over the years, is a creepy fraud in my eyes. But sgain, you're totally full of shit on TM. I've never really seen you express a correct understanding of TM or how it works. I cannot deny my personal experiences and dramatic results with my own TM practice - nor can I deny the results I've seen with others I've taught whom I know and have known, personally. I'm not blind. I can SEE the results in them with my own eyes. The 'fake guru' is that guy in your video. He made it obvious that he doesn't have a clue about what TM actually is or how it works - and I really don't think you do either. In my view you've always had an overly zealous and aggressive agenda 'against' TM which goes beyond any objective justification. It's obvious. It's almost as if you were being paid to do what you do. I wouldn't be surprised if you were. BINGO !
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi and Over-Priced Mantras TM
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: On Jul 10, 2009, at 5:11 PM, do.rflex wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qir7-FS7Cyk More and more truth revealed, sequentially day by day, dispelling the darkness of SCI. Apart from mentioning the high costs of learning TM, that guy does NOT give a correct explanation of how TM works - nor does he acknowledge the experience of tens or hundreds of thousands who indeed, like myself, have had remarkable experiences and dramatic results. That's because he sees the principle of increasing charm as fallacious. Phony. Fake. His simplistic explanation is completely incorrect. Actually, he's right on. Mental boredom is the real mechanism of TM. Well known, ancient. Attested to. I think I've told this story a couple of times before. Some years before I learned TM, I was preparing for the weekend by drinking some red wine and listening to Hendrix. Whilst listening to The Burning of the Midnight Lamp (the original single version, which is simpler and more suitable for transcending than the version on EL, IMO) I suddenly felt like falling inside myself, or stuff. That was one of the most pleasurable things I'd ever experience. That happened after the descending wah-wah figure just before da general pause. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYteNaLlLB4 (About 2:20 - 2:25) I was quite puzzled what the heck that strange experience was. After I learned TM a couple of years later, I realized what it was all about. It most certainly wasn't due to mental boredom, I tell ya! :D (I guess the effect was much stronger, than in that Youtube video, because the record player I was using had a tube amplifier...) http://image09.webshots.com/9/2/85/22/110228522nShfgy_fs.jpg
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi and Over-Priced Mantras TM
On Jul 11, 2009, at 6:44 AM, cardemaister wrote: Actually, he's right on. Mental boredom is the real mechanism of TM. Well known, ancient. Attested to. I think I've told this story a couple of times before. Some years before I learned TM, I was preparing for the weekend by drinking some red wine and listening to Hendrix. Whilst listening to The Burning of the Midnight Lamp (the original single version, which is simpler and more suitable for transcending than the version on EL, IMO) I suddenly felt like falling inside myself, or stuff. That was one of the most pleasurable things I'd ever experience. That happened after the descending wah-wah figure just before da general pause. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYteNaLlLB4 (About 2:20 - 2:25) I was quite puzzled what the heck that strange experience was. After I learned TM a couple of years later, I realized what it was all about. It most certainly wasn't due to mental boredom, I tell ya! :D (I guess the effect was much stronger, than in that Youtube video, because the record player I was using had a tube amplifier...) http://image09.webshots.com/9/2/85/22/110228522nShfgy_fs.jpg I think the point being missed, probably because people aren't familiar with the Sanskrit words that Acharya Shri is using is that TM is moodless. The original Sanskrit name for the English words Transcendental Meditation is bhavatita-dhyana, that beyond bhava where bhava equals moods and emotions, the color of thought. This fits perfectly with outside perceptions of long term TM teachers by independent viewers who see them as flat, aloof and with little emotion, little heart. It turns out, it's just the nature of TM. You could contrast this with someone like Amma who embodies a lively and dynamic bhava-samadhi. Very different dynamic than that of long-term TM teachers. It sounds like your description is more a bhava experience than a bhavatita or abhava experience, no?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi and Over-Priced Mantras TM
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: The increasing charm boondoggle? Not so much. Lol Enlightenment without happiness. Stupid Bhuddists. OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi and Over-Priced Mantras TM
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: Sal Sunshine wrote: Hard to believe, even on this forum, that supposedly rational people are arguing about the validity of magical sounds. As well as the magical effects of sharp 9 chords, flat 5 13th chords, etc. Those are cool chords.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi and Over-Priced Mantras TM
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qir7-FS7Cyk More and more truth revealed, sequentially day by day, dispelling the darkness of SCI. He seems consumed with jealousy of the tmorg's money, even though it (the money) is dedicated to spreading Vedic Culture and World Peace. I think he's wrong about the boredom during TM too.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi and Over-Priced Mantras TM
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qir7-FS7Cyk More and more truth revealed, sequentially day by day, dispelling the darkness of SCI. Apart from mentioning the high costs of learning TM, that guy does NOT give a correct explanation of how TM works - nor does he acknowledge the experience of tens or hundreds of thousands who indeed, like myself, have had remarkable experiences and dramatic results. His simplistic explanation is completely incorrect. I have no stomach for the TMO or the bullshit that Maharishi tried to sell in the later years. But I was trained to teach TM by him in the early days [1970]. That Acharya Shree Yogeesh doesn't know his ass from a hole in the ground when it comes to what TM is. Here's what he says: Acharya Shree Yogeesh says that many people got trapped under a popular teacher, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, who became very rich by selling mantras, promising them they would meditate somehow. By giving such mantras, the mind would become tired with over-repeating, therefore requiring the meditator to ask for a new mantra, which in turn made Maharishi Mahesh Yogi even richer. He states that if a person wants to make their own mind tired, they can repeat any word. It could even be your own name. However, unlike Maharishi Mahesh Yogi and his Transcendental Meditation, he made millions of dollars assigning empty words as mantras, to tire minds and mislead people.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi and Over-Priced Mantras TM
On Jul 10, 2009, at 5:09 PM, BillyG. wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qir7-FS7Cyk More and more truth revealed, sequentially day by day, dispelling the darkness of SCI. He seems consumed with jealousy of the tmorg's money, even though it (the money) is dedicated to spreading Vedic Culture and World Peace. I didn't get that. I got a vibe of honesty mixed with disgust from him--one I've also experienced from other yogis in the Shank. tradition...they see through the avaracious veneer of Mahesh's made-as- he-went teachings. I think he's wrong about the boredom during TM too. That's because you've been conditioned to BELIEVE that the mechanism for transcendence is charm. In all honesty, the real mechanism is even simpler: BOREDOM. It's the natural tendency of the mind to seek something else and avoid BOREDOM, it throws awareness into the gap. But for some it will just bring up another chain of thoughts...new 'thought pastures'... Jai Guru Dev.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi and Over-Priced Mantras TM
On Jul 10, 2009, at 5:11 PM, do.rflex wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qir7-FS7Cyk More and more truth revealed, sequentially day by day, dispelling the darkness of SCI. Apart from mentioning the high costs of learning TM, that guy does NOT give a correct explanation of how TM works - nor does he acknowledge the experience of tens or hundreds of thousands who indeed, like myself, have had remarkable experiences and dramatic results. That's because he sees the principle of increasing charm as fallacious. Phony. Fake. His simplistic explanation is completely incorrect. Actually, he's right on. Mental boredom is the real mechanism of TM. Well known, ancient. Attested to. The increasing charm boondoggle? Not so much.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi and Over-Priced Mantras TM
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: On Jul 10, 2009, at 5:11 PM, do.rflex wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qir7-FS7Cyk More and more truth revealed, sequentially day by day, dispelling the darkness of SCI. Apart from mentioning the high costs of learning TM, that guy does NOT give a correct explanation of how TM works - nor does he acknowledge the experience of tens or hundreds of thousands who indeed, like myself, have had remarkable experiences and dramatic results. That's because he sees the principle of increasing charm as fallacious. Phony. Fake. His simplistic explanation is completely incorrect. Actually, he's right on. Mental boredom is the real mechanism of TM. Well known, ancient. Attested to. The increasing charm boondoggle? Not so much. I know from my own personal experience with TM that you're full of shit on this, Vaj.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi and Over-Priced Mantras TM
On Jul 10, 2009, at 6:11 PM, do.rflex wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: On Jul 10, 2009, at 5:11 PM, do.rflex wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qir7-FS7Cyk More and more truth revealed, sequentially day by day, dispelling the darkness of SCI. Apart from mentioning the high costs of learning TM, that guy does NOT give a correct explanation of how TM works - nor does he acknowledge the experience of tens or hundreds of thousands who indeed, like myself, have had remarkable experiences and dramatic results. That's because he sees the principle of increasing charm as fallacious. Phony. Fake. His simplistic explanation is completely incorrect. Actually, he's right on. Mental boredom is the real mechanism of TM. Well known, ancient. Attested to. The increasing charm boondoggle? Not so much. I know from my own personal experience with TM that you're full of shit on this, Vaj. I know it's hard to let go of old programming and ideas we've accepted or've been charmed to believe as real, so I'll file that under: 'to all the placebos I've known before'. (Please don't make me sing the song version. ;-)) If you look into the history of mantra-yoga, you'll soon find charm is not what it's really about, but the natural tendency of us all to be mentally bored and wear out think! It's a natural result of being taught with phony gurus to be confronted with the reality of their particular i-made-it-up-as-i- went-along' repercussions and marketing foibles. It might be a good time to get a massage.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi and Over-Priced Mantras TM
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: On Jul 10, 2009, at 6:11 PM, do.rflex wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Jul 10, 2009, at 5:11 PM, do.rflex wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qir7-FS7Cyk More and more truth revealed, sequentially day by day, dispelling the darkness of SCI. Apart from mentioning the high costs of learning TM, that guy does NOT give a correct explanation of how TM works - nor does he acknowledge the experience of tens or hundreds of thousands who indeed, like myself, have had remarkable experiences and dramatic results. That's because he sees the principle of increasing charm as fallacious. Phony. Fake. His simplistic explanation is completely incorrect. Actually, he's right on. Mental boredom is the real mechanism of TM. Well known, ancient. Attested to. The increasing charm boondoggle? Not so much. I know from my own personal experience with TM that you're full of shit on this, Vaj. I know it's hard to let go of old programming and ideas we've accepted or've been charmed to believe as real, so I'll file that under: 'to all the placebos I've known before'. (Please don't make me sing the song version. ;-)) If you look into the history of mantra-yoga, you'll soon find charm is not what it's really about, but the natural tendency of us all to be mentally bored and wear out think! It's a natural result of being taught with phony gurus to be confronted with the reality of their particular i-made-it-up-as-i- went-along' repercussions and marketing foibles. It might be a good time to get a massage. I agree with you, Vaj on much of your criticism of the TMO and many of the things Maharishi has ended up doing. The TMO, as it has become over the years, is a creepy fraud in my eyes. But sgain, you're totally full of shit on TM. I've never really seen you express a correct understanding of TM or how it works. I cannot deny my personal experiences and dramatic results with my own TM practice - nor can I deny the results I've seen with others I've taught whom I know and have known, personally. I'm not blind. I can SEE the results in them with my own eyes. The 'fake guru' is that guy in your video. He made it obvious that he doesn't have a clue about what TM actually is or how it works - and I really don't think you do either. In my view you've always had an overly zealous and aggressive agenda 'against' TM which goes beyond any objective justification. It's obvious. It's almost as if you were being paid to do what you do. I wouldn't be surprised if you were.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi and Over-Priced Mantras TM
On Jul 10, 2009, at 7:36 PM, do.rflex wrote: I agree with you, Vaj on much of your criticism of the TMO and many of the things Maharishi has ended up doing. The TMO, as it has become over the years, is a creepy fraud in my eyes. But sgain, you're totally full of shit on TM. I've never really seen you express a correct understanding of TM or how it works. The correct understanding of TM's that as mentation chills it's naturally charmed towards more blissful pastures or calm (and eventually) transcendence happens... That might work for some people--it might have worked for you. But in reality the idea of repeatedly cogitating a repeated sound is simple: you get SO bored, you jump to something else. You seek refuge in silence, because you've had enough. Different story. Sorry you were slipped another one I guess I cannot deny my personal experiences and dramatic results with my own TM practice - nor can I deny the results I've seen with others I've taught whom I know and have known, personally. I'm not blind. I can SEE the results in them with my own eyes. Well, when people get bored, they seek all sorts of refuge: esp. those they were pre-programmed to seek...whatever. The 'fake guru' is that guy in your video. He made it obvious that he doesn't have a clue about what TM actually is or how it works - and I really don't think you do either. From my perspective, he's seem the emperor, naked and selling his wares on many street corners. But he also understand actual transcendence. In my view you've always had an overly zealous and aggressive agenda 'against' TM which goes beyond any objective justification. It's obvious. It's almost as if you were being paid to do what you do. I wouldn't be surprised if you were. I'm not paid (yet) to share my observations. But given my long experience in the Shank., yogic and Rig Vedic trads., the TM schtick wears real thin--actually for me, it wore thin c. 1985 or so. Your thinness may vary... It's hard to fess your fooledness. Ain't it? (project on, like the moon and the stars the sun...)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi and Over-Priced Mantras TM
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: snip I know it's hard to let go of old programming and ideas we've accepted or've been charmed to believe as real, so I'll file that under: 'to all the placebos I've known before'. (Please don't make me sing the song version. ;-)) If you look into the history of mantra-yoga, you'll soon find charm is not what it's really about, but the natural tendency of us all to be mentally bored and wear out think! It's a natural result of being taught with phony gurus to be confronted with the reality of their particular i-made-it-up-as-i- went-along' repercussions and marketing foibles. It might be a good time to get a massage. I think Swami Paramahansa Yogananda would disagree with you, quote: Mantras are one means of tuning in with subtle or divine forces. SPY Gita CHI vs20-23.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi and Over-Priced Mantras TM
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: snip If you look into the history of mantra-yoga, you'll soon find charm is not what it's really about, but the natural tendency of us all to be mentally bored and wear out think! As I've noted before, Vaj's syntax deteriorates badly when he's challenged. The above is an example of something else I've noted before, which is that Vaj assumes traditional ideas about mantra meditation are always correct and that any ideas of MMY's that don't agree with them are therefore always wrong. He's incapable of dealing with MMY's ideas *on their own terms*. Again, it's like saying Martin Luther must have been wrong because he disagreed with the Catholic Church. It's just an astoundingly feeble approach to debate for someone who poses as knowledgeable. And furthermore, of course, as any TMer will instantly recognize, even setting aside the issue of charm vs. boredom, the poor guru-guy obviously doesn't have any idea what TM involves; he doesn't know what the method is at all, other than that it uses a mantra. The whole charm vs. boredom bit is irrelevant given his ignorance of the method. The question is, does Vaj--who claims to have been a TM teacher--recognize this to be the case, and is he only pretending to think the guru-guy knows what he's talking about? Because if Vaj genuinely *doesn't* recognize it, then he's as ignorant of TM as the guru-guy.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi autograph
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rick Archer Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 12:24 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi Mahesh Yogi autograph Post the signature in the photos section. I used to have a book or two signed by him and would probably recognize it. I'm doubtful. Usually he wrote enjoy or something like that along with his signature. Why would he be signing a book called Insight Meditation when he didn't write it and probably wouldn't have approved of it? People can see the image here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/photos/album/131150282/pic/list
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi autograph
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stan...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rick Archer Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 12:24 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi Mahesh Yogi autograph Post the signature in the photos section. I used to have a book or two signed by him and would probably recognize it. I'm doubtful. Usually he wrote enjoy or something like that along with his signature. Why would he be signing a book called Insight Meditation when he didn't write it and probably wouldn't have approved of it? People can see the image here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/photos/album/131150282/pic/list Paul Mason posted a note written and signed by Maharishi in the very early days. As I recall, it was signed in the English alphabet.
[FairfieldLife] Re: ~~ Maharishi Mahesh Yogi ~~
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To me, this is the end of a man who was outer symbol of a special chunk of time that represents the lives of millions of people who participated in and with Transcendental Meditation and Maharishi and his activities, and those who didn't but were affected by him one way or another all over the planet. I don't like what his organization turned into at all and I didn't expect it but my heart hurts. Yes... it does. And doesn't it make you think of what life was like before TM and how when the eyes opened that first time to a new world of peace and light and vision I just knew it was something truly special that was going to affect my life deeply. There was real inner awareness, something that I didn't know was there, lying dormant in me all the time. A taste of potential and a way out of darkness. Thats how I'll remember Maharishi, he gave me a glimpse of the great beyond. Woke me up to a better life. Big thanks.
[FairfieldLife] Re: ~~ Maharishi Mahesh Yogi ~~
do.rflex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To me, this is the end of a man who was outer symbol of a special chunk of time that represents the lives of millions of people who participated in and with Transcendental Meditation and Maharishi and his activities, and those who didn't but were affected by him one way or another all over the planet. I don't like what his organization turned into at all and I didn't expect it but my heart hurts. Yes... it does. Yes it does.
[FairfieldLife] Re: ~~ Maharishi Mahesh Yogi ~~
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thats how I'll remember Maharishi, he gave me a glimpse of the great beyond. Woke me up to a better life. Big thanks. Well said. My sentiments as well.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi steps down as head of meditation em...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 28, 2008, at 5:32 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 1/28/08 1:05:52 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Feldman said the Maharishi's work would live on because he has trained tens of thousands of teachers over the years (!). And only re-certified how many? Dunno. Maybe everyone will get reprieves from the maharaja? ;-) Feldman said the Maharishi's work would live on because he has trained tens of thousands of teachers over the years. If this AP wire gets re-printed enough times, it may become true. Is hopeful anyway. the percentage of teachers, who got de-certified in the recent re-cert? 90-95-97% How much will the de-certs still work for his legacy, or not? Jai Guru Dev, -Doug in FF
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi steps down as head of meditation em...
---The best bet for the survival of TM and spreading it to new generations of people is through the existing renegade teachers who will charge a reasonable price consistent with market forces. MMY's plan: bad economics. In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Jan 28, 2008, at 5:32 PM, MDixon6569@ wrote: In a message dated 1/28/08 1:05:52 P.M. Central Standard Time, vajranatha@ writes: Feldman said the Maharishi's work would live on because he has trained tens of thousands of teachers over the years (!). And only re-certified how many? Dunno. Maybe everyone will get reprieves from the maharaja? ;-) Feldman said the Maharishi's work would live on because he has trained tens of thousands of teachers over the years. If this AP wire gets re-printed enough times, it may become true. Is hopeful anyway. the percentage of teachers, who got de-certified in the recent re-cert? 90-95-97% How much will the de-certs still work for his legacy, or not? Jai Guru Dev, -Doug in FF
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi-A Bal Brahmacharya.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. wgm4u@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: The funny thing is that I am so out of the cosmic loop that I did think the comment was spiritual! For me sex is one of my most cherished experiences of being alive, and a profound connection with someone I love. It is my unity and GC all in one! I have to take a minute to remember the perspective that makes my POV wrong! It all depends upon one's definition of spiritual. I submit for your perusal poems by Zen Master Ikkyu: Ten days In the monastery Made me restless. The red thread On my feet Is long and unbroken. If one day you come Looking for me, Ask for me At the fishmonger's, In the tavern, Or in the brothel. You can't really keep your mind on God in a brothel! YOU can't. I certainly can. Six or seven of the stories in my book about my travels with a spiritual teacher were written while sitting at the bar of Yab Yum in Amsterdam. 'splainsalot. By the way, what are you wanted for in the States? Just curious. OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi-A Bal Brahmacharya.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, yifuxero [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --Spawns more attachment to things physical, demanding further incarnations to fulfill one's ongoing desires with the appropriate bodyperhaps the body of a rabbit, then indulgence in this desire will be complete! Those frogs that group together for a big orgy would be better. OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi-A Bal Brahmacharya.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The funny thing is that I am so out of the cosmic loop that I did think the comment was spiritual! For me sex is one of my most cherished experiences of being alive, and a profound connection with someone I love. It is my unity and GC all in one! I have to take a minute to remember the perspective that makes my POV wrong! What's funny about brahmacharyas is, that if their mommy's and daddy's were not shaggin' humpin' copulatin' addicts, they would not even exist. OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi-A Bal Brahmacharya.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: You can't really keep your mind on God in a brothel! YOU can't. I certainly can. Six or seven of the stories in my book about my travels with a spiritual teacher were written while sitting at the bar of Yab Yum in Amsterdam. 'splainsalot. By the way, what are you wanted for in the States? Just curious. Depends on who you ask. According to Edg, probably misdemeanor predation. According to Judy, felony phoniness and (when she *really* needs to dump on someone) crimes like tax evasion or running out on my responsibilities to a country in crisis. According to you when *you* need to feel better about yourself while lying about someone else, being a drunk. If you'll remember, you've even claimed on this forum to have *seen* me drunk, when you've never seen me at all. Perhaps it's one of those things you saw in your head, like Shotokan and TM being the best. :-) As for Yab Yum, I hear you've lost your opportunity to find out what it was like. It finally got closed down, not for being a brothel, which is legal in Holland, but because (as everyone knew for years but pretended not to know), the owners had ties to the Mafia. A shame in many ways. The bar was one of the loveliest rooms I've ever been in. Filled with authentic Asian art and lovely, intel- ligent women...what is not to like? The Stones used to go there to relax after playing Amsterdam. So did the Beatles. And princes and kings and some of the more well-known people you've heard of. Most of them, like me, stuck to the bar and to good conversation, but I'm sure that a lot of them found their way upstairs to more...uh... interesting forms of social intercourse. I once found myself sitting at the bar between the British Ambassador to Holland, a high- profile CEO of a major computer company (who will go unnamed because some might have their illusions shattered), a Catholic scholar there in Amsterdam to research Calvin's time in that fair city, and a female movie star who will also go unnamed because she asked us to do so. She was there with her boyfriend, whom she was treating to a birthday present of sorts upstairs. All in a beautiful, tastefully-decorated room, having great conversations. Go figure. It was that kinda place. I'll miss it. I taught someone to meditate there. That was really fun.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi-A Bal Brahmacharya. = sacred children
Charlie's lecture on this is excellent ! and this excerpt: God, in the process of reproducing himself, merges one part of himself into another in order to bring forth a third; the trinity functioning in a triad world. The seeds of immortality are in and a part of the human. Again, the main thrust of sex is to bring into this world higher and higher souls and not to profane sex through lust and bring in lower and lower souls and sow the seeds of destruction in the world, such as we now see - humans wantonly killing one another. The only clear and excellent example of this that I read about was Yogananda's parents who slept together only once per year for the purpose having bringing forth sacred children into the world. They slept together 8 times and had 8 wonderful spiritual children. And there are stories( at least one ) in the vedas where celibacy is practiced for thousands of years by celestial beings for the purpose of bringing forth spiritually powerful children. om, amarnath --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. wgm4u@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Oh dear child, pass the nunnery and seek thee the brightness of a good whorehouse. Your thoughts have taken up a dark and poisonous residency of which pleasure is the only antidote. Dude! I wanted to reply to this post but now I don't have to, thanks! Boy, talk about childish, why don't you say something intelligent. You have the good karma to have known MMY (I assume), and the good karma to be on this group, but not the good karma to think intelligently. Why don't you post something *in context* with this group? isn't that what it was intended for by Rick Archer? The above comments merely reveal the bankruptcy of you own moral life, grow up! Here's a lecture on sex and celibacy that Charlie Lutes gave: The Sacred Side of Sex - 4/28/81 As one grows spiritually one slowly moves towards celibacy Everything in nature comes in pairs; a male and a female expression of nature, such as in trees, fruits, flowers, animals, and also humans. In the human it is the feminine or negative side that is passive, but magnetic. It attracts to itself, it absorbs and stores potential energy. The male or positive side is electric or charged. When there is a union between the electric male and the magnetic female, the couple involved provide a conduit for cosmic force, which flows through them into the Earth plane with tremendous power. This power radiated by them, polarizes the surrounding atmosphere. The female at this time is surrounded by a corona of greenish-blue mystic light. There is actually a powerful cosmic force surrounding us at all times that seeks expression through polarization or sexual union. Therefore, because sex invokes a cosmic force it takes on a sacred meaning, as well as providing a vehicle for the incoming soul. Sex cannot be treated as an exercise in eroticism with an orgasmic overtone. Sex, solely due to the abuse of it, has brought to humans disease, suffering and death. Basically, there is nothing wrong with sex. It is the human misinterpretation and misuse that is wrong. That which is of God and carries a sacred connotation cannot be profaned by humanity. Yet, it is true that for millions of people on Earth, sex is the only joy in life that they know. However, because the human is a self-contained universe, sex really brings two universes together to produce - by the holy process of reproduction - a third and, so on ad infinitum. God, in the process of reproducing himself, merges one part of himself into another in order to bring forth a third; the trinity functioning in a triad world. The seeds of immortality are in and a part of the human. Again, the main thrust of sex is to bring into this world higher and higher souls and not to profane sex through lust and bring in lower and lower souls and sow the seeds of destruction in the world, such as we now see - humans wantonly killing one another. In the man it is the feminine force that is passive and in the woman it is the masculine force that is passive, and before either one can be liberated these forces must be awakened. This is done through the near perfect union of soul to soul, mind to mind and body to body, a true affinity. Thereby, a balance in the female magnetic and the male electric forces is affected. As a result of the merging of the magnetic and electric forces the two combined create an electromagnetic field of force that is all-encompassing. The all-absorbing female force field unites in perfect harmony with the dynamic and kinetic power of the male in a near perfect union. The energy generated through this male-female union is far greater than anything they can generate separately -
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi-A Bal Brahmacharya.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: You can't really keep your mind on God in a brothel! YOU can't. I certainly can. Six or seven of the stories in my book about my travels with a spiritual teacher were written while sitting at the bar of Yab Yum in Amsterdam. 'splainsalot. By the way, what are you wanted for in the States? Just curious. Depends on who you ask. According to Edg, probably misdemeanor predation. According to Judy, felony phoniness and (when she *really* needs to dump on someone) crimes like tax evasion or running out on my responsibilities to a country in crisis. According to you when *you* need to feel better about yourself while lying about someone else, being a drunk. If you'll remember, you've even claimed on this forum to have *seen* me drunk, when you've never seen me at all. You just don't remember it. Perhaps it's one of those things you saw in your head, like Shotokan and TM being the best. :-) Shotokan is second best only to pure consciousness. As for Yab Yum, I hear you've lost your opportunity to find out what it was like. It finally got closed down, not for being a brothel, which is legal in Holland, Do they pay taxes? The Stones used to go there to relax after playing Amsterdam. So did the Beatles. And princes and kings and some of the more well-known people you've heard of. Most of them, like me, stuck to the bar and to good conversation, but I'm sure that a lot of them found their way upstairs to more...uh... interesting forms of social intercourse. I heard from a highly reliable source (who was actually on tour with Jagger and working closely with them) that Mick Jagger is gay. I once found myself sitting at the bar between the British Ambassador to Holland Now there's an easy job. What strings do you pull and who do you need to know to get that job !? a high- profile CEO of a major computer company (who will go unnamed because some might have their illusions shattered) The Oracle guy? a Catholic scholar The terms 'Catholic' and 'scholar' do not fit together comfortably. and a female movie star who will also go unnamed because she asked us to do so. Porn stars don't count for name-dropping purposes Turq. She was there with her boyfriend, whom she was treating to a birthday present of sorts upstairs. A 'snowball'?gross. (you don't wanna know what a 'snowball' is) I taught someone to meditate there. That was really fun. You are not supposed to do those things to your students during the ceremony Turq. OffWorld .
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi-A Bal Brahmacharya.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Brahmacharya-A state of the individual where the life-force is always found directed upwards. MMY Gita appendix. Bal Brahmacharya-One who has practiced celibacy from childhood. Why is that significant? The prana (life-force) is that subtle essence that connects the soul to the body. The consciousness is tied to the prana and as such the prana, when withdrawn from the body during TM allows the mind to experience subtler states of consciousness. If the prana is caught up in sexual fantasies it becomes 'tied down' to body consciousness, this 'addiction' expresses itself as the samskaras or vrittis in the subconscious mind disallowing the mind to transcend, these are the 'stresses' MMY is talking about that must be 'released' to free the mind from bondage to material desire. As such, by practicing the Yama number 4 or Celibacy, the aspiring Yogi can accelerate the release of consciousness from attachments that'tie' him/her to body consciousness. These attachments hold the prana(tied up in the lower chakras; lust, anger and greed) and as a result hold the awareness, trapping it in body consciousness. This is one of the *means* to Yoga recommended by Maharishi Patanjali! If you're serious about Yoga, With the continuous practice of ALL these limbs, or *means*, simultaneously, the state of Yoga grows simultaneously in all the eight spheres of life, MMY Gita/Yoga appendix, direct quote! -- Oh dear child, pass the nunnery and seek thee the brightness of a good whorehouse. Your thoughts have taken up a dark and poisonous residency of which pleasure is the only antidote. ---
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi-A Bal Brahmacharya.
Oh dear child, pass the nunnery and seek thee the brightness of a good whorehouse. Your thoughts have taken up a dark and poisonous residency of which pleasure is the only antidote. Dude! I wanted to reply to this post but now I don't have to, thanks! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mrfishey2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. wgm4u@ wrote: Brahmacharya-A state of the individual where the life-force is always found directed upwards. MMY Gita appendix. Bal Brahmacharya-One who has practiced celibacy from childhood. Why is that significant? The prana (life-force) is that subtle essence that connects the soul to the body. The consciousness is tied to the prana and as such the prana, when withdrawn from the body during TM allows the mind to experience subtler states of consciousness. If the prana is caught up in sexual fantasies it becomes 'tied down' to body consciousness, this 'addiction' expresses itself as the samskaras or vrittis in the subconscious mind disallowing the mind to transcend, these are the 'stresses' MMY is talking about that must be 'released' to free the mind from bondage to material desire. As such, by practicing the Yama number 4 or Celibacy, the aspiring Yogi can accelerate the release of consciousness from attachments that'tie' him/her to body consciousness. These attachments hold the prana(tied up in the lower chakras; lust, anger and greed) and as a result hold the awareness, trapping it in body consciousness. This is one of the *means* to Yoga recommended by Maharishi Patanjali! If you're serious about Yoga, With the continuous practice of ALL these limbs, or *means*, simultaneously, the state of Yoga grows simultaneously in all the eight spheres of life, MMY Gita/Yoga appendix, direct quote! -- Oh dear child, pass the nunnery and seek thee the brightness of a good whorehouse. Your thoughts have taken up a dark and poisonous residency of which pleasure is the only antidote. ---
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi-A Bal Brahmacharya.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh dear child, pass the nunnery and seek thee the brightness of a good whorehouse. Your thoughts have taken up a dark and poisonous residency of which pleasure is the only antidote. Dude! I wanted to reply to this post but now I don't have to, thanks! Boy, talk about childish, why don't you say something intelligent. You have the good karma to have known MMY (I assume), and the good karma to be on this group, but not the good karma to think intelligently. Why don't you post something *in context* with this group? isn't that what it was intended for by Rick Archer? The above comments merely reveal the bankruptcy of you own moral life, grow up!
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From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of BillyG. Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 10:23 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi-A Bal Brahmacharya. --- In HYPERLINK mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.comFairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh dear child, pass the nunnery and seek thee the brightness of a good whorehouse. Your thoughts have taken up a dark and poisonous residency of which pleasure is the only antidote. Dude! I wanted to reply to this post but now I don't have to, thanks! Boy, talk about childish, why don't you say something intelligent. You have the good karma to have known MMY (I assume), and the good karma to be on this group, but not the good karma to think intelligently. Why don't you post something *in context* with this group? isn't that what it was intended for by Rick Archer? Yeah, Curtis. When are you going to learn that conforming to my intentions is in your best interest? This would have been a perfect opportunity to bring up the Sexy Sadie file, BUT N. You have to go and make a frivolous comment. I’m crestfallen. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.4/1188 - Release Date: 12/17/2007 2:13 PM
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi-A Bal Brahmacharya.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Oh dear child, pass the nunnery and seek thee the brightness of a good whorehouse. Your thoughts have taken up a dark and poisonous residency of which pleasure is the only antidote. Dude! I wanted to reply to this post but now I don't have to, thanks! Boy, talk about childish, why don't you say something intelligent. You have the good karma to have known MMY (I assume), and the good karma to be on this group, but not the good karma to think intelligently. Why don't you post something *in context* with this group? isn't that what it was intended for by Rick Archer? The above comments merely reveal the bankruptcy of you own moral life, grow up! Here's a lecture on sex and celibacy that Charlie Lutes gave: The Sacred Side of Sex - 4/28/81 As one grows spiritually one slowly moves towards celibacy Everything in nature comes in pairs; a male and a female expression of nature, such as in trees, fruits, flowers, animals, and also humans. In the human it is the feminine or negative side that is passive, but magnetic. It attracts to itself, it absorbs and stores potential energy. The male or positive side is electric or charged. When there is a union between the electric male and the magnetic female, the couple involved provide a conduit for cosmic force, which flows through them into the Earth plane with tremendous power. This power radiated by them, polarizes the surrounding atmosphere. The female at this time is surrounded by a corona of greenish-blue mystic light. There is actually a powerful cosmic force surrounding us at all times that seeks expression through polarization or sexual union. Therefore, because sex invokes a cosmic force it takes on a sacred meaning, as well as providing a vehicle for the incoming soul. Sex cannot be treated as an exercise in eroticism with an orgasmic overtone. Sex, solely due to the abuse of it, has brought to humans disease, suffering and death. Basically, there is nothing wrong with sex. It is the human misinterpretation and misuse that is wrong. That which is of God and carries a sacred connotation cannot be profaned by humanity. Yet, it is true that for millions of people on Earth, sex is the only joy in life that they know. However, because the human is a self-contained universe, sex really brings two universes together to produce - by the holy process of reproduction - a third and, so on ad infinitum. God, in the process of reproducing himself, merges one part of himself into another in order to bring forth a third; the trinity functioning in a triad world. The seeds of immortality are in and a part of the human. Again, the main thrust of sex is to bring into this world higher and higher souls and not to profane sex through lust and bring in lower and lower souls and sow the seeds of destruction in the world, such as we now see - humans wantonly killing one another. In the man it is the feminine force that is passive and in the woman it is the masculine force that is passive, and before either one can be liberated these forces must be awakened. This is done through the near perfect union of soul to soul, mind to mind and body to body, a true affinity. Thereby, a balance in the female magnetic and the male electric forces is affected. As a result of the merging of the magnetic and electric forces the two combined create an electromagnetic field of force that is all-encompassing. The all-absorbing female force field unites in perfect harmony with the dynamic and kinetic power of the male in a near perfect union. The energy generated through this male-female union is far greater than anything they can generate separately - because acting together they are able to draw to themselves a great portion of the cosmic energy that exists around them. This in turn sets every atom into a higher vibration. Also at this time, because of the polarization created around them, an impenetrable barrier to every form of evil that might approach or attack them is established. Because there is a bio-electrical exchange of energy between two partners there is an intensification of sensitivity in the body, mind and soul. The body becomes sensual, the mind becomes more telepathic and the soul intuitional. This is so because the sexual union unlocks normally unused power shared between the partners. The universe itself is one indivisible matrix of cosmic force and this force is always seeking release or expression through a union of its opposite energies. So it seeks release in a couple who become a channel of discharge for this unique force. Sex between two partners can take them to heaven or it can become hell, it can bestow greater health or it can cause disease and disability. Two right people together in love are one thing, but a wrong couple together is most
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi-A Bal Brahmacharya.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, Curtis. When are you going to learn that conforming to my intentions is in your best interest? This would have been a perfect opportunity to bring up the Sexy Sadie file, BUT N. You have to go and make a frivolous comment. I'm crestfallen. What a revoltin' development.:-) BillyG.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi-A Bal Brahmacharya.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Sacred Side of Sex - 4/28/81 As one grows spiritually one slowly moves towards celibacy Everything in nature comes in pairs; a male and a female expression snip Now you're talkin'...just printed it out!! Haven't read it yet! Thanks!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi-A Bal Brahmacharya.
The funny thing is that I am so out of the cosmic loop that I did think the comment was spiritual! For me sex is one of my most cherished experiences of being alive, and a profound connection with someone I love. It is my unity and GC all in one! I have to take a minute to remember the perspective that makes my POV wrong! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of BillyG. Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 10:23 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi-A Bal Brahmacharya. --- In HYPERLINK mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.comFairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Oh dear child, pass the nunnery and seek thee the brightness of a good whorehouse. Your thoughts have taken up a dark and poisonous residency of which pleasure is the only antidote. Dude! I wanted to reply to this post but now I don't have to, thanks! Boy, talk about childish, why don't you say something intelligent. You have the good karma to have known MMY (I assume), and the good karma to be on this group, but not the good karma to think intelligently. Why don't you post something *in context* with this group? isn't that what it was intended for by Rick Archer? Yeah, Curtis. When are you going to learn that conforming to my intentions is in your best interest? This would have been a perfect opportunity to bring up the Sexy Sadie file, BUT N. You have to go and make a frivolous comment. I'm crestfallen. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.4/1188 - Release Date: 12/17/2007 2:13 PM
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi-A Bal Brahmacharya.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The funny thing is that I am so out of the cosmic loop that I did think the comment was spiritual! For me sex is one of my most cherished experiences of being alive, and a profound connection with someone I love. It is my unity and GC all in one! I have to take a minute to remember the perspective that makes my POV wrong! It all depends upon one's definition of spiritual. I submit for your perusal poems by Zen Master Ikkyu: Ten days In the monastery Made me restless. The red thread On my feet Is long and unbroken. If one day you come Looking for me, Ask for me At the fishmonger's, In the tavern, Or in the brothel. ** The autumn breeze of a single night of love is better than a hundred thousand years of sterile sitting meditation. ** A Woman's Sex It has the original mouth but remains wordless; It is surrounded by a magnificent mound of hair. Sentient beings can get completely lost in it But it is also the birthplace of all the Buddhas of the ten thousand worlds. And the Sixth Dalai Lama (the original Turquoise Bee): White teeth smiling Brightness of skin. On my seat in the high lama's row At the quick edge of my glance I caught her looking at me. ** By drawing diagrams on the ground The stars of space can be measured. Though familiar with the soft flesh Of my lover's body I cannot measure her depths. ** If young girls never died There would be no need to brew beer. At such a time This is a young man's surest source of refuge. ** The meeting place for me and my love Is the dense forest of the southern valley. Except for the chattering parrot No one knows about it. Please, talkative parrot Don't give away our secret. ** People talk about me. What they say may be true. But just three short steps Take me to the wine house of my lover. ** Don't tell me, Tsangyang! you're depraved. Just like you I desire pleasure and comfort, too. ** Meditating, my lama's face Does not shine in my mind. Unbidden my lover's face Again and again appears. ** I sought my lover at twilight Snow fell at daybreak. Residing at the Potala I am Rigdzin Tsangyang Gyatso But in the back alleys of Shol-town I am rake and stud Secret or not No matter. Footprints have been left in the snow.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi-A Bal Brahmacharya.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: The funny thing is that I am so out of the cosmic loop that I did think the comment was spiritual! For me sex is one of my most cherished experiences of being alive, and a profound connection with someone I love. It is my unity and GC all in one! I have to take a minute to remember the perspective that makes my POV wrong! It all depends upon one's definition of spiritual. I submit for your perusal poems by Zen Master Ikkyu: Ten days In the monastery Made me restless. The red thread On my feet Is long and unbroken. If one day you come Looking for me, Ask for me At the fishmonger's, In the tavern, Or in the brothel. You can't really keep your mind on God in a brothel! ** The autumn breeze of a single night of love is better than a hundred thousand years of sterile sitting meditation. He's talking about true love, not that which is found in a brothel! ** A Woman's Sex It has the original mouth but remains wordless; It is surrounded by a magnificent mound of hair. Sentient beings can get completely lost in it But it is also the birthplace of all the Buddhas of the ten thousand worlds. In shortit's holy! And the Sixth Dalai Lama (the original Turquoise Bee): White teeth smiling Brightness of skin. On my seat in the high lama's row At the quick edge of my glance I caught her looking at me. Mother Divine, perhaps? ** By drawing diagrams on the ground The stars of space can be measured. Though familiar with the soft flesh Of my lover's body I cannot measure her depths. Because she's pretty shallow!! ** If young girls never died There would be no need to brew beer. At such a time This is a young man's surest source of refuge. That's why he's called a 'boy'! ** The meeting place for me and my love Is the dense forest of the southern valley. Except for the chattering parrot No one knows about it. Please, talkative parrot Don't give away our secret. Right, he'd be tarred and feathered and run out of town!! ** People talk about me. What they say may be true. But just three short steps Take me to the wine house of my lover. Where I get drunk and puke all the next morning! ** Don't tell me, Tsangyang! you're depraved. Just like you I desire pleasure and comfort, too. That's why he's called a boy! ** Meditating, my lama's face Does not shine in my mind. Unbidden my lover's face Again and again appears. Twas the devil in disguise, come on'! ** I sought my lover at twilight Snow fell at daybreak. Residing at the Potala I am Rigdzin Tsangyang Gyatso But in the back alleys of Shol-town I am rake and stud Secret or not No matter. Footprints have been left in the snow. Send the police immediately!! :-) I see why Judy likes tearing your posts apart! :-)
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi-A Bal Brahmacharya.
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of curtisdeltablues Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 11:42 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi-A Bal Brahmacharya. The funny thing is that I am so out of the cosmic loop that I did think the comment was spiritual! For me sex is one of my most cherished experiences of being alive, and a profound connection with someone I love. It is my unity and GC all in one! I have to take a minute to remember the perspective that makes my POV wrong! Surely you realize I was joking. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.4/1188 - Release Date: 12/17/2007 2:13 PM
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi-A Bal Brahmacharya.
The funny thing is that I am so out of the cosmic loop that I did think the comment was spiritual! For me sex is one of my most cherished experiences of being alive, and a profound connection with someone I love. It is my unity and GC all in one! I have to take a minute to remember the perspective that makes my POV wrong! Surely you realize I was joking. I knew you were. I wonder if Billy was too? No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.4/1188 - Release Date: 12/17/2007 2:13 PM
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi-A Bal Brahmacharya.
Hey BillyG, hands off Curtis -- I'm the one who first started calling him immoral so he's my bitch, go get your own. May I suggest that you and Turq seem perfect for each other? Curtis: As harsh as I have been on you, I have never actually thought of you as morally bankrupt or even behind on your bills. You did recently write about loving yer woman, so points for that, but I'M WATCHIN' YA, I'M WATCHIN' YA. ;-) I don't grok BillyG enough to know where he's coming from, but it's hard to want to know his POV if he takes cheap shots like the below without backing up his play with a ton of blurbification peppered with axioms -- which, it seems from here, he's incapable of doing. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Oh dear child, pass the nunnery and seek thee the brightness of a good whorehouse. Your thoughts have taken up a dark and poisonous residency of which pleasure is the only antidote. Dude! I wanted to reply to this post but now I don't have to, thanks! Boy, talk about childish, why don't you say something intelligent. You have the good karma to have known MMY (I assume), and the good karma to be on this group, but not the good karma to think intelligently. Why don't you post something *in context* with this group? isn't that what it was intended for by Rick Archer? The above comments merely reveal the bankruptcy of you own moral life, grow up!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi-A Bal Brahmacharya.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey BillyG, hands off Curtis -- I'm the one who first started calling him immoral so he's my bitch, go get your own. May I suggest that you and Turq seem perfect for each other? Curtis: As harsh as I have been on you, I have never actually thought of you as morally bankrupt or even behind on your bills. You did recently write about loving yer woman, so points for that, but I'M WATCHIN' YA, I'M WATCHIN' YA. ;-) I don't grok BillyG enough to know where he's coming from, but it's hard to want to know his POV if he takes cheap shots like the below without backing up his play with a ton of blurbification peppered with axioms -- which, it seems from here, he's incapable of doing. Edg I was talking about Curtis via Mr. Fishey, Curtis is cool man!, he can take it!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi-A Bal Brahmacharya.
Duveyoung wrote: Hey BillyG, hands off Curtis -- I'm the one who first started calling him immoral so he's my bitch, go get your own. Hey! Keep you cotton-pickin' hands off of BillyG - he's my pal. We were in SRM together in the old days - he's my favorite Governor.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi-A Bal Brahmacharya.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: I was talking about Curtis via Mr. Fishey, Curtis is cool man!, he can take it! --- Ah yes, sweet Ffld. Life I remember you fondly; like sneezing in a Tokyo subway, and finding a surprising number of toupees. ---
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi The Beatles: The Movie
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi The Beatles: The Movie http://tmfree.blogspot.com/2007/03/indian-film-director-mira-nair-is- to.html May you enjoy the same success in your endeavour brownnose your way to write the script for this film as you have had becoming the TMO's official biographer. Not.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi - Separating Fact Fro
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: [...] By the way, Tom, speaking as someone who has actually met and worked with some real Yaqui shamans, I'd love to know how you ended up working with these REAL guys, since even people like Big Jim Griffith take decades of work to be accepted by them, especially after they were burned so nicely by Castaneda. Just being in the right place at the right time, in the company of the right person to make an introduction. In other words, sheer luck. But who the heck is Big Jim Griffith? What, miss the url that I just cut and paste from my original message? http://parentseyes.arizona.edu/msw/jsg_msw.html No, I was channeling one of the shamans who made him wait. :-) Er, yeah. Mention your name to the average SouthWest Indian and see how many recognize you. Mention Big Jim Griffith? I think you'll see a few more respond. Dude, get real. If some shamans made Jim wait, THERE WAS A REASON. The same things that impress you don't mean diddley to them. INow, why would some Shmand make Big Jim wait? He's an anthropologist and folklorist, not a student.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi - Separating Fact Fro
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlist@ wrote: TorquiseB writes snipped: I think that what you're upset about is that Paul is asking the questions that YOU should have asked 'way back when, and never did. These questions should have been asked back in 1959, Tom T: The use of the SHOULD word (twice) smacks of I really know a fuck lot more than you do so listen up asshole. No...I understand your desire to pun a little, but the word doesn't mean that at all. It means, If the questions have relevance now, they probably had a great deal more relevance then, before every- one started assuming they knew the answers to them without ever having asked the questions. Lose the word Barry. As a friend once said I didn't know you liked to SHOULD on yourself in public. It ranks right up there with MUST. I usually inform people like you that MUSTERBATING in public does not really become you or show the depth of your intelligence. TOm There are countries in which punning is a capital crime, Tom. :-) But, as to the questions' relevance, let's postulate a situation. A person comes along who, over the course of some years, both in print and in person makes some extraordinary claims about the nature of consciousness. He says that certain siddhis (in which most of the world's population does not believe) are real, and that he has both experienced them and can teach others how to achieve them. He develops a huge following, to the point that his name becomes synonymous worldwide with the study of this sort of thing. Now, much later, after a little investigative work by a few people, it turns out that the person who wrote about all these magical events has somewhat of a history of...uh...lying. It turns out that he's *been* lying -- compulsively, habitually -- most of his life. He lied about his age, the country he came from, the language he was raised speaking and several other things when he first came to America. He lied and claimed that he was single, ignoring the wife and kid he'd left behind. He lied about his academic background back home on his applications to get into a good university here. He's *on tape* talking with his co-teachers about the need to lie to his students to keep them off-base and keep them on the hook. When this fellow finally died, of cancer, his co-teachers were planning to turn his entire death into another lie, and claim that he had walked into another dimension in the desert and just disappeared. A nosy reporter noticed the death certifi- cate and blew that plot before it could get started. Ok, you've probably guessed it...that's the story of Carlos Castaneda. Given the odd things he wrote about and the odder claims he made about his abilities, would the discovery that he had been lying since the day he arrived in the U.S. affect your belief in the things he wrote in his books? For some people, yes. For others, no...they still hang in there as Castaneda groupies and CC TBs. Go figure. But from my point of view it's a *good* thing that some- one did this research and found these things out. It allows me to approach Castaneda's writings (which I still like) with a bit more information in hand. I think that having the answers to the kinds of questions Paul posed would do the same for anyone wanting to assess Maharishi's life and teachings and accomplishments. A person whose commitment was to truth would not object to these types of questions being asked. A person whose commitment is to never allow the things they already believe and assume to be challenged would. End of story. By the way, Tom, speaking as someone who has actually met and worked with some real Yaqui shamans, I still *like* Carlos Castaneda. I think he wrote about some real phenomena in his first four books, and either documented or intuited some real phenomena. It's just that at a certain point, to preserve his fame and the myth he'd built up about himself, he felt compelled to start making things up and attributing them to a native tradition that had never heard of such things. Part of the enduring mystery of his life is the process of determining which are the real diamonds in his work and which are the hunks of glass. As I've said before, and will say again (even though those who are stuck in the demonization mindset will claim forever that I'm lying), I don't really CARE very much about Maharishi per se. What I'm interested in is the phenomenon of the *spiritual seeker*, and how such individuals relate to the path they have chosen, and how they interact with those who do not share that path with them. When they interact gracefully, that says a great deal (positively) about the nature of their path. When they interact with those who don't believe the things that
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi - Separating Fact Fro
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip A person whose commitment was to truth would not object to these types of questions being asked. A person whose commitment is to never allow the things they already believe and assume to be challenged would. End of story. For the record, I have no objection whatsoever to these types of questions being asked, although I don't think the real answers are particularly important. My objections to Paul's QA are quite different. Among other things, some of his questions are bogus. He has tried to create the impression that the questioner is a wide-eyed innocent who has been taken in by MMY's and the TMO's lies. Yet several of the things the purported innocent asks about are not anything MMY or the TMO have ever claimed. For instance: Q. But it was his master, Guru Dev, who gave him the name 'Maharishi'? I have never heard this claimed in the TM context. Those who ask where MMY got the Maharishi title, in my experience, are told that he acquired it after he began teaching because those who heard his teaching recognized him as a Great Sage or Great Seer. Here's Paul's answer: A. Actually, Mahesh just adopted the title about two and a half years after the death of his master. Not only does Paul not address the standard response to the legitimate question, as I outlined it above, he actually *doesn't know* whether the standard answer is fact or fiction. He doesn't know whether MMY decided to call himself Maharishi on his own hook to inflate his importance, or whether he simply accepted what others had begun calling him because they were so impressed by his teaching. Paul doesn't actually *lie* in saying MMY adopted the title, but he he doesn't know on what basis MMY adopted it, and he clearly wants to give the impression that MMY bestowed it on himself. That's deliberately misleading, and the bogus question he uses to elicit his response is designed to allow him to suggest that the title is undeserved without actually addressing that issue. Next question: Q. And the surname 'Yogi', is that his family name? Obviously, this is a straw man in the context Paul has established for the questions. That Yogi is MMY's family name is not a fiction that has been perpetrated by MMY or the TMO. Just as with the preceding question, Paul has crafted it purely as a vehicle for his response, to cast doubt on MMY's legitimacy as a yogi: A. No. It happens that Indian holy men tend to have three-word names. The first is the title, usually 'Swami', the second is the name given by the guru, such as 'Sivanand', 'Brahmanand' or 'Vishnunand', and the third denotes the grouping of monks, such as 'Saraswati', 'Giri' etc etc. But in Mahesh's case, 'Maharishi' and 'Yogi' seem to be added just for good effect. Again, Paul doesn't *know* how or why Yogi was added. Nor does he explain what Yogi means, nor does he address the issue of whether it's appropriate; he simply uses the bogus question to suggest that it is not. So the way Paul has crafted these two questions is designed to make it possible for him to skirt the *legitimate* questions--how MMY got his name and whether it's valid (*is* he a Great Seer? *is* he a yogi?)--while at the same time implicitly casting doubt on MMY's authenticity. That's a propagandist's technique, not a genuine attempt to separate fact from fiction. *In fact*, there is precious little actual fact in Paul's responses to the various questions: seem to be added, not a single shred of evidence, it is likely that, seems to have become, it has not been established that, some say. The only facts we really learn from the phrases above in Paul's responses are that Paul cannot give definitive answers to the questions he himself poses. There are other problems with the questions and answers as well, but the fundamental problem is the deliberately misleading title of Paul's post, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi: Separating Fact from Fiction. And bear in mind that Paul has been introduced on Knapp's blog as an authority on MMY. The reader is led to assume that he or she has learned important facts that discredit MMY when close analysis reveals that is not at all the case. And *that's* why I object to Paul's QA: not, as Barry claims, because I don't want the questions being asked in the first place or that I don't want my beliefs to be challeged, but because the way they're asked and answered is not straightforward; it is designed to mislead.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi - Separating Fact Fro
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] By the way, Tom, speaking as someone who has actually met and worked with some real Yaqui shamans, I'd love to know how you ended up working with these REAL guys, since even people like Big Jim Griffith take decades of work to be accepted by them, especially after they were burned so nicely by Castaneda. http://parentseyes.arizona.edu/msw/jsg_msw.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi - Separating Fact Fro
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: [...] By the way, Tom, speaking as someone who has actually met and worked with some real Yaqui shamans, I'd love to know how you ended up working with these REAL guys, since even people like Big Jim Griffith take decades of work to be accepted by them, especially after they were burned so nicely by Castaneda. Just being in the right place at the right time, in the company of the right person to make an introduction. In other words, sheer luck. But who the heck is Big Jim Griffith?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi - Separating Fact Fro
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: [...] By the way, Tom, speaking as someone who has actually met and worked with some real Yaqui shamans, I'd love to know how you ended up working with these REAL guys, since even people like Big Jim Griffith take decades of work to be accepted by them, especially after they were burned so nicely by Castaneda. Just being in the right place at the right time, in the company of the right person to make an introduction. In other words, sheer luck. But who the heck is Big Jim Griffith? What, miss the url that I just cut and paste from my original message? http://parentseyes.arizona.edu/msw/jsg_msw.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi - Separating Fact Fro
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: [...] By the way, Tom, speaking as someone who has actually met and worked with some real Yaqui shamans, I'd love to know how you ended up working with these REAL guys, since even people like Big Jim Griffith take decades of work to be accepted by them, especially after they were burned so nicely by Castaneda. Just being in the right place at the right time, in the company of the right person to make an introduction. In other words, sheer luck. But who the heck is Big Jim Griffith? What, miss the url that I just cut and paste from my original message? http://parentseyes.arizona.edu/msw/jsg_msw.html No, I was channeling one of the shamans who made him wait. :-)
