[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators! Repair Unto to Fairfield, Iowa!

2017-01-09 Thread dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

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 $200 a month, including utilities and internet!
 

 Come, humble meditator, in whose breast
 A thousand thoughts revolve.
 Come with your guilt and fear oppressed,
 And make this last resolve. 
 
 I'll go to Fairfield , though my sin
 Hath like a mountain rose;
 I know its courts, I'll enter in,
 Whatever may oppose.
 
 I can but perish if I go,
 I am resolved to try,
 For if I stay away I know
 I must forever die.

 

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators! Repair Unto to Fairfield, Iowa!

2017-01-09 Thread dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Group Meditation Included! 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Winter Housing for Meditators in Vedic City, Iowa
 $200 a month, including utilities and internet!
 

 Come, humble meditator, in whose breast
 A thousand thoughts revolve.
 Come with your guilt and fear oppressed,
 And make this last resolve. 
 
 I'll go to Fairfield , though my sin
 Hath like a mountain rose;
 I know its courts, I'll enter in,
 Whatever may oppose.
 
 I can but perish if I go,
 I am resolved to try,
 For if I stay away I know
 I must forever die.

 

 29t Fairfield - Second Ireland Sacred Harp Convention, 2012 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NixQ37HU_dE

 
 
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NixQ37HU_dE
 
 29t Fairfield - Second Ireland Sacred Harp Convention, 2... 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NixQ37HU_dE 29t Fairfield, led by Eamonn 
O'Neill at the second Ireland Sacred Harp convention, March 3rd & 4th, 2012 
Video by Seamus Hegarty. Audio by Danny Forde. Full ...


 
 View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NixQ37HU_dE 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

 





Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators Should Come (back) to the Domes the next 4-5 weeks ~ Important time for coherence in consciousness

2016-07-01 Thread dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
lowers, ..as Feste here reduces how they 'frame' it. 
Sounds so rational but was poorly handled. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <awoelfleba...@yahoo.com> wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :

 You know, the TMO has always operated in a cliquish manner. When you first get 
initiated ,everything is cool. You belong to a unique group of people *saving 
the world*. But then you notice various cliques have formed. There are plane 
ol' meditaters,( the lowest of the low, that nobody wants to hang with) sidhas, 
pre-teachers, Teachers, Governors, Rajas, Maharajas, ministers of this and 
that, administrators, cooks and dish washer, etc
 Disenfranchising a group could have the effect of making them scramble to get 
in a better position, even if it costs them a lot of money to *belong*.
 Thank God, I don't want to *belong*!
 I don't remember how many teachers Maharishi trained before this 
recertification program started but imagine getting every, or nearly every, 
teacher to plop down a couple of thousand bucks just to maintain their status. 
Might pay some bills with that kind of cash. Plus, you can tighten your grip on 
confidentiality of the teaching process.

 

 I think I managed to avoid all of this messy stuff by not becoming an 
initiator. It just never appealed to me - all that standardized code of 
behavior and dress and conduct. I simply enjoyed the technique and MIU back in 
the 70's was really a gas - a demographically diverse student body and a 
feeling of tapping into something special in terms of the curriculum and how it 
related to SCI. I'm not sure how it feels on the campus now, but back then it 
was perfectly timed for who I was and what I needed. Consequently, no hard 
feelings and I simply moved on. The Robin adventure was sort of like stealing a 
car and going for a wild joy ride having imbibed a six pack. You sort of wake 
up one day with a hangover and wonder what the hell happened but don't regret 
the adventure.

 From: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, April 7, 2016 7:03 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators Should Come (back) to the Domes 
the next 4-5 weeks ~ Important time for coherence in consciousness
 
 
   
 Yes a lot of old TM teachers feel cut this way.  
 I hear this a lot and this is very much related to how people feel about 
attending the group meditation in the Domes here. Meditators have been 
separated and excluded in a number of ways that need to be directly 
acknowledged and remediated for attendance to improve with the 'collective 
meditation'.  
 

 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :

 One doesn't need a license to teach TM.
 So, you want the *state* to regulate the TM movement on how to operate?

 Bet Maharishi would have taken his knowledge and money and left in a heart 
beat.
Hot under the collar? You can perceive it that way. I just say I washed my 
hands of their foolishness. I know a shake down when I see it. I don't need 
them anymore than they need me.

 

 That's a ridiculous comment. I was just making the point that people need to 
keep up with developments in their field, and that is all that recertification 
is. 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6...@yahoo.com> wrote :

 One doesn't need to take two weeks off to travel cross country to learn the 
latest information. If a teacher's knowledge  wasn't sufficient to teach 
anymore, then it never was sufficient to teach in the first place. What kind of 
teachers did Maharishi create? The fact is , it was a money maker for the TMO 
and I'm assuming intended for  signing a new contract, tightening controls on 
the teacher. Not one teacher came out of that program a better teacher but a 
better controlled teachermaybe.

 




 From: feste37 <no_re...@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, April 6, 2016 7:16 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators Should Come (back) to the Domes 
the next 4-5 weeks ~ Important time for coherence in consciousness

 
   Many professions have a continuing ed. requirement which you have to fulfill 
iin order to keep your license to practice. I see nothing wrong at all in 
requiring recertification for teachers, so I'm puzzled about why you are so ho 
under the collar about it.  

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :

 Doug, the TM

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators Should Come (back) to the Domes the next 4-5 weeks ~ Important time for coherence in consciousness

2016-06-14 Thread dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
orly handled. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <awoelfleba...@yahoo.com> wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :

 You know, the TMO has always operated in a cliquish manner. When you first get 
initiated ,everything is cool. You belong to a unique group of people *saving 
the world*. But then you notice various cliques have formed. There are plane 
ol' meditaters,( the lowest of the low, that nobody wants to hang with) sidhas, 
pre-teachers, Teachers, Governors, Rajas, Maharajas, ministers of this and 
that, administrators, cooks and dish washer, etc
 Disenfranchising a group could have the effect of making them scramble to get 
in a better position, even if it costs them a lot of money to *belong*.
 Thank God, I don't want to *belong*!
 I don't remember how many teachers Maharishi trained before this 
recertification program started but imagine getting every, or nearly every, 
teacher to plop down a couple of thousand bucks just to maintain their status. 
Might pay some bills with that kind of cash. Plus, you can tighten your grip on 
confidentiality of the teaching process.

 

 I think I managed to avoid all of this messy stuff by not becoming an 
initiator. It just never appealed to me - all that standardized code of 
behavior and dress and conduct. I simply enjoyed the technique and MIU back in 
the 70's was really a gas - a demographically diverse student body and a 
feeling of tapping into something special in terms of the curriculum and how it 
related to SCI. I'm not sure how it feels on the campus now, but back then it 
was perfectly timed for who I was and what I needed. Consequently, no hard 
feelings and I simply moved on. The Robin adventure was sort of like stealing a 
car and going for a wild joy ride having imbibed a six pack. You sort of wake 
up one day with a hangover and wonder what the hell happened but don't regret 
the adventure.

 From: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, April 7, 2016 7:03 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators Should Come (back) to the Domes 
the next 4-5 weeks ~ Important time for coherence in consciousness
 
 
   
 Yes a lot of old TM teachers feel cut this way.  
 I hear this a lot and this is very much related to how people feel about 
attending the group meditation in the Domes here. Meditators have been 
separated and excluded in a number of ways that need to be directly 
acknowledged and remediated for attendance to improve with the 'collective 
meditation'.  
 

 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :

 One doesn't need a license to teach TM.
 So, you want the *state* to regulate the TM movement on how to operate?

 Bet Maharishi would have taken his knowledge and money and left in a heart 
beat.
Hot under the collar? You can perceive it that way. I just say I washed my 
hands of their foolishness. I know a shake down when I see it. I don't need 
them anymore than they need me.

 

 That's a ridiculous comment. I was just making the point that people need to 
keep up with developments in their field, and that is all that recertification 
is. 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6...@yahoo.com> wrote :

 One doesn't need to take two weeks off to travel cross country to learn the 
latest information. If a teacher's knowledge  wasn't sufficient to teach 
anymore, then it never was sufficient to teach in the first place. What kind of 
teachers did Maharishi create? The fact is , it was a money maker for the TMO 
and I'm assuming intended for  signing a new contract, tightening controls on 
the teacher. Not one teacher came out of that program a better teacher but a 
better controlled teachermaybe.

 




 From: feste37 <no_re...@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, April 6, 2016 7:16 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators Should Come (back) to the Domes 
the next 4-5 weeks ~ Important time for coherence in consciousness

 
   Many professions have a continuing ed. requirement which you have to fulfill 
iin order to keep your license to practice. I see nothing wrong at all in 
requiring recertification for teachers, so I'm puzzled about why you are so ho 
under the collar about it.  

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :

 Doug, the TM movement keeps shooting it's self in the foot with it's policies. 
I guess the straw that broke the Camel's back for me was saying I couldn't 
initiate anyone  again unless I came back to Fairfield at their convenience, 
paid them a couple of thousand dollars and get re certified. I took that as a 
shakedown for money because they were hurting due to their own failed policies. 
Screw them and the horse they road in on. *Chances* are, I probably would never 
have initiated anyone again as it was but who knows. I'll honor their desi

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators Should Come (back) to the Domes the next 4-5 weeks ~ Important time for coherence in consciousness

2016-05-15 Thread dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
h that kind of cash. Plus, you can tighten your grip on 
confidentiality of the teaching process.

 

 I think I managed to avoid all of this messy stuff by not becoming an 
initiator. It just never appealed to me - all that standardized code of 
behavior and dress and conduct. I simply enjoyed the technique and MIU back in 
the 70's was really a gas - a demographically diverse student body and a 
feeling of tapping into something special in terms of the curriculum and how it 
related to SCI. I'm not sure how it feels on the campus now, but back then it 
was perfectly timed for who I was and what I needed. Consequently, no hard 
feelings and I simply moved on. The Robin adventure was sort of like stealing a 
car and going for a wild joy ride having imbibed a six pack. You sort of wake 
up one day with a hangover and wonder what the hell happened but don't regret 
the adventure.

 From: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, April 7, 2016 7:03 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators Should Come (back) to the Domes 
the next 4-5 weeks ~ Important time for coherence in consciousness
 
 
   
 Yes a lot of old TM teachers feel cut this way.  
 I hear this a lot and this is very much related to how people feel about 
attending the group meditation in the Domes here. Meditators have been 
separated and excluded in a number of ways that need to be directly 
acknowledged and remediated for attendance to improve with the 'collective 
meditation'.  
 

 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :

 One doesn't need a license to teach TM.
 So, you want the *state* to regulate the TM movement on how to operate?

 Bet Maharishi would have taken his knowledge and money and left in a heart 
beat.
Hot under the collar? You can perceive it that way. I just say I washed my 
hands of their foolishness. I know a shake down when I see it. I don't need 
them anymore than they need me.

 

 That's a ridiculous comment. I was just making the point that people need to 
keep up with developments in their field, and that is all that recertification 
is. 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6...@yahoo.com> wrote :

 One doesn't need to take two weeks off to travel cross country to learn the 
latest information. If a teacher's knowledge  wasn't sufficient to teach 
anymore, then it never was sufficient to teach in the first place. What kind of 
teachers did Maharishi create? The fact is , it was a money maker for the TMO 
and I'm assuming intended for  signing a new contract, tightening controls on 
the teacher. Not one teacher came out of that program a better teacher but a 
better controlled teachermaybe.

 




 From: feste37 <no_re...@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, April 6, 2016 7:16 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators Should Come (back) to the Domes 
the next 4-5 weeks ~ Important time for coherence in consciousness

 
   Many professions have a continuing ed. requirement which you have to fulfill 
iin order to keep your license to practice. I see nothing wrong at all in 
requiring recertification for teachers, so I'm puzzled about why you are so ho 
under the collar about it.  

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :

 Doug, the TM movement keeps shooting it's self in the foot with it's policies. 
I guess the straw that broke the Camel's back for me was saying I couldn't 
initiate anyone  again unless I came back to Fairfield at their convenience, 
paid them a couple of thousand dollars and get re certified. I took that as a 
shakedown for money because they were hurting due to their own failed policies. 
Screw them and the horse they road in on. *Chances* are, I probably would never 
have initiated anyone again as it was but who knows. I'll honor their desire 
for me not to teach but If anyone ever asks me about a meditation technique, 
I'll send them to AOL before the TMO.
 
 


 From: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, April 6, 2016 1:02 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators Should Come (back) to the Domes the 
next 4-5 weeks ~ Important time for coherence in consciousness

 
   
 How could it have got so bad with the numbers meditating in the Fairfield Dome 
meditations? 
 
 
 That people can't or won't come back to the recall?
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :

 According to published records, by July 1975 in the USA, just itself alone, 
had 5799 TM initiators. Now we can't get much better than a very couple of 
hundred meditating in the men's Dome together. 
  After 1975 some more TM teachers and then TM governors were trained up in 
years following. With 'citizens' added, something like 29000 people learned the 
TM-sidhis in North Am

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators Should Come (back) to the Domes the next 4-5 weeks ~ Important time for coherence in consciousness

2016-05-15 Thread dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
st a lot of capital and love.  The metrics are not 
good when you look at them.   
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony...@yahoo.com> wrote :

 
 Old TM teachers had a relationship more directly to Maharishi in being 
cultivated and certified by him and under essential understanding in 
relationship to use what they learned from him without letting money get in the 
way of people learning to meditate.
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony...@yahoo.com> wrote :

 There was a further mercantile shift in administration of old TM after 
Maharishi.  The complete change over after Maharishi was handled most 
unfortunately by a strong mind of making old testament like judgments about old 
teachers and then retributions by some business-minded group consciousness of 
some wealthy fanatical followers, ..as Feste here reduces how they 'frame' it. 
Sounds so rational but was poorly handled. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <awoelfleba...@yahoo.com> wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :

 You know, the TMO has always operated in a cliquish manner. When you first get 
initiated ,everything is cool. You belong to a unique group of people *saving 
the world*. But then you notice various cliques have formed. There are plane 
ol' meditaters,( the lowest of the low, that nobody wants to hang with) sidhas, 
pre-teachers, Teachers, Governors, Rajas, Maharajas, ministers of this and 
that, administrators, cooks and dish washer, etc
 Disenfranchising a group could have the effect of making them scramble to get 
in a better position, even if it costs them a lot of money to *belong*.
 Thank God, I don't want to *belong*!
 I don't remember how many teachers Maharishi trained before this 
recertification program started but imagine getting every, or nearly every, 
teacher to plop down a couple of thousand bucks just to maintain their status. 
Might pay some bills with that kind of cash. Plus, you can tighten your grip on 
confidentiality of the teaching process.

 

 I think I managed to avoid all of this messy stuff by not becoming an 
initiator. It just never appealed to me - all that standardized code of 
behavior and dress and conduct. I simply enjoyed the technique and MIU back in 
the 70's was really a gas - a demographically diverse student body and a 
feeling of tapping into something special in terms of the curriculum and how it 
related to SCI. I'm not sure how it feels on the campus now, but back then it 
was perfectly timed for who I was and what I needed. Consequently, no hard 
feelings and I simply moved on. The Robin adventure was sort of like stealing a 
car and going for a wild joy ride having imbibed a six pack. You sort of wake 
up one day with a hangover and wonder what the hell happened but don't regret 
the adventure.

 From: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, April 7, 2016 7:03 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators Should Come (back) to the Domes 
the next 4-5 weeks ~ Important time for coherence in consciousness
 
 
   
 Yes a lot of old TM teachers feel cut this way.  
 I hear this a lot and this is very much related to how people feel about 
attending the group meditation in the Domes here. Meditators have been 
separated and excluded in a number of ways that need to be directly 
acknowledged and remediated for attendance to improve with the 'collective 
meditation'.  
 

 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :

 One doesn't need a license to teach TM.
 So, you want the *state* to regulate the TM movement on how to operate?

 Bet Maharishi would have taken his knowledge and money and left in a heart 
beat.
Hot under the collar? You can perceive it that way. I just say I washed my 
hands of their foolishness. I know a shake down when I see it. I don't need 
them anymore than they need me.

 

 That's a ridiculous comment. I was just making the point that people need to 
keep up with developments in their field, and that is all that recertification 
is. 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6...@yahoo.com> wrote :

 One doesn't need to take two weeks off to travel cross country to learn the 
latest information. If a teacher's knowledge  wasn't sufficient to teach 
anymore, then it never was sufficient to teach in the first place. What kind of 
teachers did Maharishi create? The fact is , it was a money maker for the TMO 
and I'm assuming intended for  signing a new contract, tightening controls on 
the teacher. Not one teacher came out of that program a better teacher but a 
better controlled teachermaybe.

 




 From: feste37 <no_re...@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, April 6, 2016 7:16 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators Should Come (back) to the Domes 
the next 4-5 weeks ~ Important time fo

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators Should Come (back) to the Domes the next 4-5 weeks ~ Important time for coherence in consciousness

2016-05-07 Thread dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
a group could have the effect of making them scramble to get 
in a better position, even if it costs them a lot of money to *belong*.
 Thank God, I don't want to *belong*!
 I don't remember how many teachers Maharishi trained before this 
recertification program started but imagine getting every, or nearly every, 
teacher to plop down a couple of thousand bucks just to maintain their status. 
Might pay some bills with that kind of cash. Plus, you can tighten your grip on 
confidentiality of the teaching process.

 

 I think I managed to avoid all of this messy stuff by not becoming an 
initiator. It just never appealed to me - all that standardized code of 
behavior and dress and conduct. I simply enjoyed the technique and MIU back in 
the 70's was really a gas - a demographically diverse student body and a 
feeling of tapping into something special in terms of the curriculum and how it 
related to SCI. I'm not sure how it feels on the campus now, but back then it 
was perfectly timed for who I was and what I needed. Consequently, no hard 
feelings and I simply moved on. The Robin adventure was sort of like stealing a 
car and going for a wild joy ride having imbibed a six pack. You sort of wake 
up one day with a hangover and wonder what the hell happened but don't regret 
the adventure.

 From: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, April 7, 2016 7:03 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators Should Come (back) to the Domes 
the next 4-5 weeks ~ Important time for coherence in consciousness
 
 
   
 Yes a lot of old TM teachers feel cut this way.  
 I hear this a lot and this is very much related to how people feel about 
attending the group meditation in the Domes here. Meditators have been 
separated and excluded in a number of ways that need to be directly 
acknowledged and remediated for attendance to improve with the 'collective 
meditation'.  
 

 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :

 One doesn't need a license to teach TM.
 So, you want the *state* to regulate the TM movement on how to operate?

 Bet Maharishi would have taken his knowledge and money and left in a heart 
beat.
Hot under the collar? You can perceive it that way. I just say I washed my 
hands of their foolishness. I know a shake down when I see it. I don't need 
them anymore than they need me.

 

 That's a ridiculous comment. I was just making the point that people need to 
keep up with developments in their field, and that is all that recertification 
is. 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6...@yahoo.com> wrote :

 One doesn't need to take two weeks off to travel cross country to learn the 
latest information. If a teacher's knowledge  wasn't sufficient to teach 
anymore, then it never was sufficient to teach in the first place. What kind of 
teachers did Maharishi create? The fact is , it was a money maker for the TMO 
and I'm assuming intended for  signing a new contract, tightening controls on 
the teacher. Not one teacher came out of that program a better teacher but a 
better controlled teachermaybe.

 




 From: feste37 <no_re...@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, April 6, 2016 7:16 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators Should Come (back) to the Domes 
the next 4-5 weeks ~ Important time for coherence in consciousness

 
   Many professions have a continuing ed. requirement which you have to fulfill 
iin order to keep your license to practice. I see nothing wrong at all in 
requiring recertification for teachers, so I'm puzzled about why you are so ho 
under the collar about it.  

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :

 Doug, the TM movement keeps shooting it's self in the foot with it's policies. 
I guess the straw that broke the Camel's back for me was saying I couldn't 
initiate anyone  again unless I came back to Fairfield at their convenience, 
paid them a couple of thousand dollars and get re certified. I took that as a 
shakedown for money because they were hurting due to their own failed policies. 
Screw them and the horse they road in on. *Chances* are, I probably would never 
have initiated anyone again as it was but who knows. I'll honor their desire 
for me not to teach but If anyone ever asks me about a meditation technique, 
I'll send them to AOL before the TMO.
 
 


 From: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, April 6, 2016 1:02 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators Should Come (back) to the Domes the 
next 4-5 weeks ~ Important time for coherence in consciousness

 
   
 How could it have got so bad with the numbers meditating in the Fairfield Dome 
meditations? 
 
 
 That people can't or won't come back to the recall?
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators Should Come (back) to the Domes the next 4-5 weeks ~ Important time for coherence in consciousness

2016-04-27 Thread dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Might pay some bills with that kind of cash. Plus, you can tighten your grip on 
confidentiality of the teaching process.

 

 I think I managed to avoid all of this messy stuff by not becoming an 
initiator. It just never appealed to me - all that standardized code of 
behavior and dress and conduct. I simply enjoyed the technique and MIU back in 
the 70's was really a gas - a demographically diverse student body and a 
feeling of tapping into something special in terms of the curriculum and how it 
related to SCI. I'm not sure how it feels on the campus now, but back then it 
was perfectly timed for who I was and what I needed. Consequently, no hard 
feelings and I simply moved on. The Robin adventure was sort of like stealing a 
car and going for a wild joy ride having imbibed a six pack. You sort of wake 
up one day with a hangover and wonder what the hell happened but don't regret 
the adventure.

 From: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, April 7, 2016 7:03 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators Should Come (back) to the Domes 
the next 4-5 weeks ~ Important time for coherence in consciousness
 
 
   
 Yes a lot of old TM teachers feel cut this way.  
 I hear this a lot and this is very much related to how people feel about 
attending the group meditation in the Domes here. Meditators have been 
separated and excluded in a number of ways that need to be directly 
acknowledged and remediated for attendance to improve with the 'collective 
meditation'.  
 

 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :

 One doesn't need a license to teach TM.
 So, you want the *state* to regulate the TM movement on how to operate?

 Bet Maharishi would have taken his knowledge and money and left in a heart 
beat.
Hot under the collar? You can perceive it that way. I just say I washed my 
hands of their foolishness. I know a shake down when I see it. I don't need 
them anymore than they need me.

 

 That's a ridiculous comment. I was just making the point that people need to 
keep up with developments in their field, and that is all that recertification 
is. 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6...@yahoo.com> wrote :

 One doesn't need to take two weeks off to travel cross country to learn the 
latest information. If a teacher's knowledge  wasn't sufficient to teach 
anymore, then it never was sufficient to teach in the first place. What kind of 
teachers did Maharishi create? The fact is , it was a money maker for the TMO 
and I'm assuming intended for  signing a new contract, tightening controls on 
the teacher. Not one teacher came out of that program a better teacher but a 
better controlled teachermaybe.

 




 From: feste37 <no_re...@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, April 6, 2016 7:16 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators Should Come (back) to the Domes 
the next 4-5 weeks ~ Important time for coherence in consciousness

 
   Many professions have a continuing ed. requirement which you have to fulfill 
iin order to keep your license to practice. I see nothing wrong at all in 
requiring recertification for teachers, so I'm puzzled about why you are so ho 
under the collar about it.  

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :

 Doug, the TM movement keeps shooting it's self in the foot with it's policies. 
I guess the straw that broke the Camel's back for me was saying I couldn't 
initiate anyone  again unless I came back to Fairfield at their convenience, 
paid them a couple of thousand dollars and get re certified. I took that as a 
shakedown for money because they were hurting due to their own failed policies. 
Screw them and the horse they road in on. *Chances* are, I probably would never 
have initiated anyone again as it was but who knows. I'll honor their desire 
for me not to teach but If anyone ever asks me about a meditation technique, 
I'll send them to AOL before the TMO.
 
 


 From: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, April 6, 2016 1:02 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators Should Come (back) to the Domes the 
next 4-5 weeks ~ Important time for coherence in consciousness

 
   
 How could it have got so bad with the numbers meditating in the Fairfield Dome 
meditations? 
 
 
 That people can't or won't come back to the recall?
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :

 According to published records, by July 1975 in the USA, just itself alone, 
had 5799 TM initiators. Now we can't get much better than a very couple of 
hundred meditating in the men's Dome together. 
  After 1975 some more TM teachers and then TM governors were trained up in 
years following. With 'citizens' added, something like 29000 people learne

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators Should Come (back) to the Domes the next 4-5 weeks ~ Important time for coherence in consciousness

2016-04-17 Thread dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
SCI. I'm not sure how it feels on the campus now, but back then it 
was perfectly timed for who I was and what I needed. Consequently, no hard 
feelings and I simply moved on. The Robin adventure was sort of like stealing a 
car and going for a wild joy ride having imbibed a six pack. You sort of wake 
up one day with a hangover and wonder what the hell happened but don't regret 
the adventure.

 From: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, April 7, 2016 7:03 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators Should Come (back) to the Domes 
the next 4-5 weeks ~ Important time for coherence in consciousness
 
 
   
 Yes a lot of old TM teachers feel cut this way.  
 I hear this a lot and this is very much related to how people feel about 
attending the group meditation in the Domes here. Meditators have been 
separated and excluded in a number of ways that need to be directly 
acknowledged and remediated for attendance to improve with the 'collective 
meditation'.  
 

 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :

 One doesn't need a license to teach TM.
 So, you want the *state* to regulate the TM movement on how to operate?

 Bet Maharishi would have taken his knowledge and money and left in a heart 
beat.
Hot under the collar? You can perceive it that way. I just say I washed my 
hands of their foolishness. I know a shake down when I see it. I don't need 
them anymore than they need me.

 

 That's a ridiculous comment. I was just making the point that people need to 
keep up with developments in their field, and that is all that recertification 
is. 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6...@yahoo.com> wrote :

 One doesn't need to take two weeks off to travel cross country to learn the 
latest information. If a teacher's knowledge  wasn't sufficient to teach 
anymore, then it never was sufficient to teach in the first place. What kind of 
teachers did Maharishi create? The fact is , it was a money maker for the TMO 
and I'm assuming intended for  signing a new contract, tightening controls on 
the teacher. Not one teacher came out of that program a better teacher but a 
better controlled teachermaybe.

 




 From: feste37 <no_re...@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, April 6, 2016 7:16 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators Should Come (back) to the Domes 
the next 4-5 weeks ~ Important time for coherence in consciousness

 
   Many professions have a continuing ed. requirement which you have to fulfill 
iin order to keep your license to practice. I see nothing wrong at all in 
requiring recertification for teachers, so I'm puzzled about why you are so ho 
under the collar about it.  

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :

 Doug, the TM movement keeps shooting it's self in the foot with it's policies. 
I guess the straw that broke the Camel's back for me was saying I couldn't 
initiate anyone  again unless I came back to Fairfield at their convenience, 
paid them a couple of thousand dollars and get re certified. I took that as a 
shakedown for money because they were hurting due to their own failed policies. 
Screw them and the horse they road in on. *Chances* are, I probably would never 
have initiated anyone again as it was but who knows. I'll honor their desire 
for me not to teach but If anyone ever asks me about a meditation technique, 
I'll send them to AOL before the TMO.
 
 


 From: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, April 6, 2016 1:02 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators Should Come (back) to the Domes the 
next 4-5 weeks ~ Important time for coherence in consciousness

 
   
 How could it have got so bad with the numbers meditating in the Fairfield Dome 
meditations? 
 
 
 That people can't or won't come back to the recall?
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :

 According to published records, by July 1975 in the USA, just itself alone, 
had 5799 TM initiators. Now we can't get much better than a very couple of 
hundred meditating in the men's Dome together. 
  After 1975 some more TM teachers and then TM governors were trained up in 
years following. With 'citizens' added, something like 29000 people learned the 
TM-sidhis in North America.
  
  Now the Dome program gets 200 plus men to the Dome group meditation and some 
smallish number of women are over meditating in their location. 
  People moved here to Fairfield to be a part of something large when the group 
meditation had two thousand or more attending.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :

 How could it have got to be so bad with the numbers in the Fairfield Dome 
meditations?
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators Should Come (back) to the Domes the next 4-5 weeks ~ Important time for coherence in consciousness

2016-04-16 Thread dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
was sort of like stealing a 
car and going for a wild joy ride having imbibed a six pack. You sort of wake 
up one day with a hangover and wonder what the hell happened but don't regret 
the adventure.

 From: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, April 7, 2016 7:03 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators Should Come (back) to the Domes 
the next 4-5 weeks ~ Important time for coherence in consciousness
 
 
   
 Yes a lot of old TM teachers feel cut this way.  
 I hear this a lot and this is very much related to how people feel about 
attending the group meditation in the Domes here. Meditators have been 
separated and excluded in a number of ways that need to be directly 
acknowledged and remediated for attendance to improve with the 'collective 
meditation'.  
 

 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :

 One doesn't need a license to teach TM.
 So, you want the *state* to regulate the TM movement on how to operate?

 Bet Maharishi would have taken his knowledge and money and left in a heart 
beat.
Hot under the collar? You can perceive it that way. I just say I washed my 
hands of their foolishness. I know a shake down when I see it. I don't need 
them anymore than they need me.

 

 That's a ridiculous comment. I was just making the point that people need to 
keep up with developments in their field, and that is all that recertification 
is. 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6...@yahoo.com> wrote :

 One doesn't need to take two weeks off to travel cross country to learn the 
latest information. If a teacher's knowledge  wasn't sufficient to teach 
anymore, then it never was sufficient to teach in the first place. What kind of 
teachers did Maharishi create? The fact is , it was a money maker for the TMO 
and I'm assuming intended for  signing a new contract, tightening controls on 
the teacher. Not one teacher came out of that program a better teacher but a 
better controlled teachermaybe.

 




 From: feste37 <no_re...@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, April 6, 2016 7:16 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators Should Come (back) to the Domes 
the next 4-5 weeks ~ Important time for coherence in consciousness

 
   Many professions have a continuing ed. requirement which you have to fulfill 
iin order to keep your license to practice. I see nothing wrong at all in 
requiring recertification for teachers, so I'm puzzled about why you are so ho 
under the collar about it.  

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :

 Doug, the TM movement keeps shooting it's self in the foot with it's policies. 
I guess the straw that broke the Camel's back for me was saying I couldn't 
initiate anyone  again unless I came back to Fairfield at their convenience, 
paid them a couple of thousand dollars and get re certified. I took that as a 
shakedown for money because they were hurting due to their own failed policies. 
Screw them and the horse they road in on. *Chances* are, I probably would never 
have initiated anyone again as it was but who knows. I'll honor their desire 
for me not to teach but If anyone ever asks me about a meditation technique, 
I'll send them to AOL before the TMO.
 
 


 From: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, April 6, 2016 1:02 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators Should Come (back) to the Domes the 
next 4-5 weeks ~ Important time for coherence in consciousness

 
   
 How could it have got so bad with the numbers meditating in the Fairfield Dome 
meditations? 
 
 
 That people can't or won't come back to the recall?
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :

 According to published records, by July 1975 in the USA, just itself alone, 
had 5799 TM initiators. Now we can't get much better than a very couple of 
hundred meditating in the men's Dome together. 
  After 1975 some more TM teachers and then TM governors were trained up in 
years following. With 'citizens' added, something like 29000 people learned the 
TM-sidhis in North America.
  
  Now the Dome program gets 200 plus men to the Dome group meditation and some 
smallish number of women are over meditating in their location. 
  People moved here to Fairfield to be a part of something large when the group 
meditation had two thousand or more attending.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :

 How could it have got to be so bad with the numbers in the Fairfield Dome 
meditations?
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :

 'Collective meditation' was a major major tenet of Maharishi's all along, 
there quite evidently has been a failure of an administration of the 
meditation, a fai

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators Should Come (back) to the Domes the next 4-5 weeks ~ Important time for coherence in consciousness

2016-04-08 Thread dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Asking around how it got so bad for the Dome meditation numbers, someone 
reflecting was saying:
  
 “Meditators once came to Fairfield and we are here for world peace and with no 
denouncement of other gurus or comment on other people and not burdened by 
fear, deceit and judgment.  If that had been the movement’s continued 
administration it would not have died.  When the fear and lying became 
requirements, not an option but required, to just lie, it ended.   The irony is 
that in the stand of people’s own integrity people have left.”
 

 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony...@yahoo.com> wrote :

 

 This new order of business that came in to the new TM movement was very much 
about exclusivity and securing trademark and market share in their minds.  This 
is embedded in the group meditation guidelines too.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony...@yahoo.com> wrote :

 This business shift over to Old Testament-like judgements about people and 
vengeful retributions in separating off old TM teachers by a kind of summary 
business personality in the middle of TM has become something of a huge loss of 
resource, both human and financial, that could have been handled differently. 
  
 By a Corporate coldness and a mercantile administration of a bunch of wealthy 
people there was not much of a sustained attempt at visiting around with people 
of the old movement after Maharishi died by 2008. In effect they turned a lot 
of people out by trying to use the org to discipline people to their own minds. 
 They quite effectively lost a lot of capital and love.  The metrics are not 
good when you look at them.   
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony...@yahoo.com> wrote :

 
 Old TM teachers had a relationship more directly to Maharishi in being 
cultivated and certified by him and under essential understanding in 
relationship to use what they learned from him without letting money get in the 
way of people learning to meditate.
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony...@yahoo.com> wrote :

 There was a further mercantile shift in administration of old TM after 
Maharishi.  The complete change over after Maharishi was handled most 
unfortunately by a strong mind of making old testament like judgments about old 
teachers and then retributions by some business-minded group consciousness of 
some wealthy fanatical followers, ..as Feste here reduces how they 'frame' it. 
Sounds so rational but was poorly handled. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <awoelfleba...@yahoo.com> wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :

 You know, the TMO has always operated in a cliquish manner. When you first get 
initiated ,everything is cool. You belong to a unique group of people *saving 
the world*. But then you notice various cliques have formed. There are plane 
ol' meditaters,( the lowest of the low, that nobody wants to hang with) sidhas, 
pre-teachers, Teachers, Governors, Rajas, Maharajas, ministers of this and 
that, administrators, cooks and dish washer, etc
 Disenfranchising a group could have the effect of making them scramble to get 
in a better position, even if it costs them a lot of money to *belong*.
 Thank God, I don't want to *belong*!
 I don't remember how many teachers Maharishi trained before this 
recertification program started but imagine getting every, or nearly every, 
teacher to plop down a couple of thousand bucks just to maintain their status. 
Might pay some bills with that kind of cash. Plus, you can tighten your grip on 
confidentiality of the teaching process.

 

 I think I managed to avoid all of this messy stuff by not becoming an 
initiator. It just never appealed to me - all that standardized code of 
behavior and dress and conduct. I simply enjoyed the technique and MIU back in 
the 70's was really a gas - a demographically diverse student body and a 
feeling of tapping into something special in terms of the curriculum and how it 
related to SCI. I'm not sure how it feels on the campus now, but back then it 
was perfectly timed for who I was and what I needed. Consequently, no hard 
feelings and I simply moved on. The Robin adventure was sort of like stealing a 
car and going for a wild joy ride having imbibed a six pack. You sort of wake 
up one day with a hangover and wonder what the hell happened but don't regret 
the adventure.

 From: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, April 7, 2016 7:03 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators Should Come (back) to the Domes 
the next 4-5 weeks ~ Important time for coherence in consciousness
 
 
   
 Yes a lot of old TM teachers feel cut this way.  
 I hear this a lot and this is very much related to how people feel about 
attending the group meditation in the Domes here. Meditators have been 
separated and e

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators Should Come (back) to the Domes the next 4-5 weeks ~ Important time for coherence in consciousness

2016-04-08 Thread dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]


 This new order of business that came in to the new TM movement was very much 
about exclusivity and securing trademark and market share in their minds.  This 
is embedded in the group meditation guidelines too.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony...@yahoo.com> wrote :

 This business shift over to Old Testament-like judgements about people and 
vengeful retributions in separating off old TM teachers by a kind of summary 
business personality in the middle of TM has become something of a huge loss of 
resource, both human and financial, that could have been handled differently. 
  
 By a Corporate coldness and a mercantile administration of a bunch of wealthy 
people there was not much of a sustained attempt at visiting around with people 
of the old movement after Maharishi died by 2008. In effect they turned a lot 
of people out by trying to use the org to discipline people to their own minds. 
 They quite effectively lost a lot of capital and love.  The metrics are not 
good when you look at them.   
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony...@yahoo.com> wrote :

 
 Old TM teachers had a relationship more directly to Maharishi in being 
cultivated and certified by him and under essential understanding in 
relationship to use what they learned from him without letting money get in the 
way of people learning to meditate.
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony...@yahoo.com> wrote :

 There was a further mercantile shift in administration of old TM after 
Maharishi.  The complete change over after Maharishi was handled most 
unfortunately by a strong mind of making old testament like judgments about old 
teachers and then retributions by some business-minded group consciousness of 
some wealthy fanatical followers, ..as Feste here reduces how they 'frame' it. 
Sounds so rational but was poorly handled. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <awoelfleba...@yahoo.com> wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :

 You know, the TMO has always operated in a cliquish manner. When you first get 
initiated ,everything is cool. You belong to a unique group of people *saving 
the world*. But then you notice various cliques have formed. There are plane 
ol' meditaters,( the lowest of the low, that nobody wants to hang with) sidhas, 
pre-teachers, Teachers, Governors, Rajas, Maharajas, ministers of this and 
that, administrators, cooks and dish washer, etc
 Disenfranchising a group could have the effect of making them scramble to get 
in a better position, even if it costs them a lot of money to *belong*.
 Thank God, I don't want to *belong*!
 I don't remember how many teachers Maharishi trained before this 
recertification program started but imagine getting every, or nearly every, 
teacher to plop down a couple of thousand bucks just to maintain their status. 
Might pay some bills with that kind of cash. Plus, you can tighten your grip on 
confidentiality of the teaching process.

 

 I think I managed to avoid all of this messy stuff by not becoming an 
initiator. It just never appealed to me - all that standardized code of 
behavior and dress and conduct. I simply enjoyed the technique and MIU back in 
the 70's was really a gas - a demographically diverse student body and a 
feeling of tapping into something special in terms of the curriculum and how it 
related to SCI. I'm not sure how it feels on the campus now, but back then it 
was perfectly timed for who I was and what I needed. Consequently, no hard 
feelings and I simply moved on. The Robin adventure was sort of like stealing a 
car and going for a wild joy ride having imbibed a six pack. You sort of wake 
up one day with a hangover and wonder what the hell happened but don't regret 
the adventure.

 From: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, April 7, 2016 7:03 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators Should Come (back) to the Domes 
the next 4-5 weeks ~ Important time for coherence in consciousness
 
 
   
 Yes a lot of old TM teachers feel cut this way.  
 I hear this a lot and this is very much related to how people feel about 
attending the group meditation in the Domes here. Meditators have been 
separated and excluded in a number of ways that need to be directly 
acknowledged and remediated for attendance to improve with the 'collective 
meditation'.  
 

 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :

 One doesn't need a license to teach TM.
 So, you want the *state* to regulate the TM movement on how to operate?

 Bet Maharishi would have taken his knowledge and money and left in a heart 
beat.
Hot under the collar? You can perceive it that way. I just say I washed my 
hands of their foolishness. I know a shake down when I see it. I don't need 
them anymore than they need me.

 

 That's a ridiculous comment. I

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators Should Come (back) to the Domes the next 4-5 weeks ~ Important time for coherence in consciousness

2016-04-08 Thread dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
This business shift over to Old Testament-like judgements about people and 
vengeful retribution in separating off old TM teachers by a kind of summary 
business personality in the middle has become something of a huge loss of 
resource, both human and financial, that could have been handled differently. 
  
 By a Corporate coldness and a mercantile administration of a bunch of wealthy 
people there was not much of a sustained attempt at visiting around with people 
of the old movement after Maharishi died by 2008 in effect they turned a lot of 
people out by trying to use the org to discipline people to their own minds.  
They quite effectively lost a lot of capital and love.  The metrics are not 
good when you look at them.   
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony...@yahoo.com> wrote :

 
 Old TM teachers had a relationship more directly to Maharishi in being 
cultivated and certified by him and under essential understanding in 
relationship to use what they learned from him without letting money get in the 
way of people learning to meditate.
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony...@yahoo.com> wrote :

 There was a further mercantile shift in administration of old TM after 
Maharishi.  The complete change over after Maharishi was handled most 
unfortunately by a strong mind of making old testament like judgments about old 
teachers and then retributions by some business-minded group consciousness of 
some wealthy fanatical followers, ..as Feste here reduces how they 'frame' it. 
Sounds so rational but was poorly handled. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <awoelfleba...@yahoo.com> wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :

 You know, the TMO has always operated in a cliquish manner. When you first get 
initiated ,everything is cool. You belong to a unique group of people *saving 
the world*. But then you notice various cliques have formed. There are plane 
ol' meditaters,( the lowest of the low, that nobody wants to hang with) sidhas, 
pre-teachers, Teachers, Governors, Rajas, Maharajas, ministers of this and 
that, administrators, cooks and dish washer, etc
 Disenfranchising a group could have the effect of making them scramble to get 
in a better position, even if it costs them a lot of money to *belong*.
 Thank God, I don't want to *belong*!
 I don't remember how many teachers Maharishi trained before this 
recertification program started but imagine getting every, or nearly every, 
teacher to plop down a couple of thousand bucks just to maintain their status. 
Might pay some bills with that kind of cash. Plus, you can tighten your grip on 
confidentiality of the teaching process.

 

 I think I managed to avoid all of this messy stuff by not becoming an 
initiator. It just never appealed to me - all that standardized code of 
behavior and dress and conduct. I simply enjoyed the technique and MIU back in 
the 70's was really a gas - a demographically diverse student body and a 
feeling of tapping into something special in terms of the curriculum and how it 
related to SCI. I'm not sure how it feels on the campus now, but back then it 
was perfectly timed for who I was and what I needed. Consequently, no hard 
feelings and I simply moved on. The Robin adventure was sort of like stealing a 
car and going for a wild joy ride having imbibed a six pack. You sort of wake 
up one day with a hangover and wonder what the hell happened but don't regret 
the adventure.

 From: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, April 7, 2016 7:03 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators Should Come (back) to the Domes 
the next 4-5 weeks ~ Important time for coherence in consciousness
 
 
   
 Yes a lot of old TM teachers feel cut this way.  
 I hear this a lot and this is very much related to how people feel about 
attending the group meditation in the Domes here. Meditators have been 
separated and excluded in a number of ways that need to be directly 
acknowledged and remediated for attendance to improve with the 'collective 
meditation'.  
 

 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :

 One doesn't need a license to teach TM.
 So, you want the *state* to regulate the TM movement on how to operate?

 Bet Maharishi would have taken his knowledge and money and left in a heart 
beat.
Hot under the collar? You can perceive it that way. I just say I washed my 
hands of their foolishness. I know a shake down when I see it. I don't need 
them anymore than they need me.

 

 That's a ridiculous comment. I was just making the point that people need to 
keep up with developments in their field, and that is all that recertification 
is. 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6...@yahoo.com> wrote :

 One doesn't need to take two weeks off to travel cross country to learn the 
latest info

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators Should Come (back) to the Domes the next 4-5 weeks ~ Important time for coherence in consciousness

2016-04-07 Thread dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

 Old TM teachers had a relationship more directly to Maharishi in being 
cultivated and certified by him and under essential understanding in 
relationship to use what they learned from him without letting money get in the 
way of people learning to meditate.
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony...@yahoo.com> wrote :

 There was a further mercantile shift in administration of old TM after 
Maharishi.  The complete change over after Maharishi was handled most 
unfortunately by a strong mind of making old testament like judgments about old 
teachers and then retributions by some business-minded group consciousness of 
some wealthy fanatical followers, ..as Feste here reduces how they 'frame' it. 
Sounds so rational but was poorly handled. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <awoelfleba...@yahoo.com> wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :

 You know, the TMO has always operated in a cliquish manner. When you first get 
initiated ,everything is cool. You belong to a unique group of people *saving 
the world*. But then you notice various cliques have formed. There are plane 
ol' meditaters,( the lowest of the low, that nobody wants to hang with) sidhas, 
pre-teachers, Teachers, Governors, Rajas, Maharajas, ministers of this and 
that, administrators, cooks and dish washer, etc
 Disenfranchising a group could have the effect of making them scramble to get 
in a better position, even if it costs them a lot of money to *belong*.
 Thank God, I don't want to *belong*!
 I don't remember how many teachers Maharishi trained before this 
recertification program started but imagine getting every, or nearly every, 
teacher to plop down a couple of thousand bucks just to maintain their status. 
Might pay some bills with that kind of cash. Plus, you can tighten your grip on 
confidentiality of the teaching process.

 

 I think I managed to avoid all of this messy stuff by not becoming an 
initiator. It just never appealed to me - all that standardized code of 
behavior and dress and conduct. I simply enjoyed the technique and MIU back in 
the 70's was really a gas - a demographically diverse student body and a 
feeling of tapping into something special in terms of the curriculum and how it 
related to SCI. I'm not sure how it feels on the campus now, but back then it 
was perfectly timed for who I was and what I needed. Consequently, no hard 
feelings and I simply moved on. The Robin adventure was sort of like stealing a 
car and going for a wild joy ride having imbibed a six pack. You sort of wake 
up one day with a hangover and wonder what the hell happened but don't regret 
the adventure.

 From: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, April 7, 2016 7:03 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators Should Come (back) to the Domes 
the next 4-5 weeks ~ Important time for coherence in consciousness
 
 
   
 Yes a lot of old TM teachers feel cut this way.  
 I hear this a lot and this is very much related to how people feel about 
attending the group meditation in the Domes here. Meditators have been 
separated and excluded in a number of ways that need to be directly 
acknowledged and remediated for attendance to improve with the 'collective 
meditation'.  
 

 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :

 One doesn't need a license to teach TM.
 So, you want the *state* to regulate the TM movement on how to operate?

 Bet Maharishi would have taken his knowledge and money and left in a heart 
beat.
Hot under the collar? You can perceive it that way. I just say I washed my 
hands of their foolishness. I know a shake down when I see it. I don't need 
them anymore than they need me.

 

 That's a ridiculous comment. I was just making the point that people need to 
keep up with developments in their field, and that is all that recertification 
is. 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6...@yahoo.com> wrote :

 One doesn't need to take two weeks off to travel cross country to learn the 
latest information. If a teacher's knowledge  wasn't sufficient to teach 
anymore, then it never was sufficient to teach in the first place. What kind of 
teachers did Maharishi create? The fact is , it was a money maker for the TMO 
and I'm assuming intended for  signing a new contract, tightening controls on 
the teacher. Not one teacher came out of that program a better teacher but a 
better controlled teachermaybe.

 




 From: feste37 <no_re...@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, April 6, 2016 7:16 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators Should Come (back) to the Domes 
the next 4-5 weeks ~ Important time for coherence in consciousness

 
   Many professions have a continuing ed. requirement which you have to fulfill 
iin order to keep your license t

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators Should Come (back) to the Domes the next 4-5 weeks ~ Important time for coherence in consciousness

2016-04-07 Thread dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
There was a further mercantile shift in administration of old TM after 
Maharishi.  The complete change over after Maharishi was handled most 
unfortunately by a strong mind of making old testament like judgments about old 
teachers and then retributions by some business-minded group consciousness of 
some wealthy fanatical followers, ..as Feste here reduces how they 'frame' it. 
Sounds so rational but was poorly handled. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <awoelfleba...@yahoo.com> wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :

 You know, the TMO has always operated in a cliquish manner. When you first get 
initiated ,everything is cool. You belong to a unique group of people *saving 
the world*. But then you notice various cliques have formed. There are plane 
ol' meditaters,( the lowest of the low, that nobody wants to hang with) sidhas, 
pre-teachers, Teachers, Governors, Rajas, Maharajas, ministers of this and 
that, administrators, cooks and dish washer, etc
 Disenfranchising a group could have the effect of making them scramble to get 
in a better position, even if it costs them a lot of money to *belong*.
 Thank God, I don't want to *belong*!
 I don't remember how many teachers Maharishi trained before this 
recertification program started but imagine getting every, or nearly every, 
teacher to plop down a couple of thousand bucks just to maintain their status. 
Might pay some bills with that kind of cash. Plus, you can tighten your grip on 
confidentiality of the teaching process.

 

 I think I managed to avoid all of this messy stuff by not becoming an 
initiator. It just never appealed to me - all that standardized code of 
behavior and dress and conduct. I simply enjoyed the technique and MIU back in 
the 70's was really a gas - a demographically diverse student body and a 
feeling of tapping into something special in terms of the curriculum and how it 
related to SCI. I'm not sure how it feels on the campus now, but back then it 
was perfectly timed for who I was and what I needed. Consequently, no hard 
feelings and I simply moved on. The Robin adventure was sort of like stealing a 
car and going for a wild joy ride having imbibed a six pack. You sort of wake 
up one day with a hangover and wonder what the hell happened but don't regret 
the adventure.

 From: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, April 7, 2016 7:03 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators Should Come (back) to the Domes 
the next 4-5 weeks ~ Important time for coherence in consciousness
 
 
   
 Yes a lot of old TM teachers feel cut this way.  
 I hear this a lot and this is very much related to how people feel about 
attending the group meditation in the Domes here. Meditators have been 
separated and excluded in a number of ways that need to be directly 
acknowledged and remediated for attendance to improve with the 'collective 
meditation'.  
 

 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :

 One doesn't need a license to teach TM.
 So, you want the *state* to regulate the TM movement on how to operate?

 Bet Maharishi would have taken his knowledge and money and left in a heart 
beat.
Hot under the collar? You can perceive it that way. I just say I washed my 
hands of their foolishness. I know a shake down when I see it. I don't need 
them anymore than they need me.

 

 That's a ridiculous comment. I was just making the point that people need to 
keep up with developments in their field, and that is all that recertification 
is. 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6...@yahoo.com> wrote :

 One doesn't need to take two weeks off to travel cross country to learn the 
latest information. If a teacher's knowledge  wasn't sufficient to teach 
anymore, then it never was sufficient to teach in the first place. What kind of 
teachers did Maharishi create? The fact is , it was a money maker for the TMO 
and I'm assuming intended for  signing a new contract, tightening controls on 
the teacher. Not one teacher came out of that program a better teacher but a 
better controlled teachermaybe.

 




 From: feste37 <no_re...@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, April 6, 2016 7:16 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators Should Come (back) to the Domes 
the next 4-5 weeks ~ Important time for coherence in consciousness

 
   Many professions have a continuing ed. requirement which you have to fulfill 
iin order to keep your license to practice. I see nothing wrong at all in 
requiring recertification for teachers, so I'm puzzled about why you are so ho 
under the collar about it.  

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :

 Doug, the TM movement keeps shooting it's self in the foot with it's policies. 
I guess the straw that broke the Camel's back for me 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators Should Come (back) to the Domes the next 4-5 weeks ~ Important time for coherence in consciousness

2016-04-07 Thread Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
NO, I get the point. You're just defending the indefensible.


  From: feste37 <no_re...@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, April 7, 2016 7:11 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators Should Come (back) to the Domes 
the next 4-5 weeks ~ Important time for coherence in consciousness
   
    You seem determined to miss the point entirely. 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :

One doesn't need to take two weeks off to travel cross country to learn the 
latest information. If a teacher's knowledge  wasn't sufficient to teach 
anymore, then it never was sufficient to teach in the first place. What kind of 
teachers did Maharishi create? The fact is , it was a money maker for the TMO 
and I'm assuming intended for  signing a new contract, tightening controls on 
the teacher. Not one teacher came out of that program a better teacher but a 
better controlled teachermaybe.


  From: feste37 <no_re...@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, April 7, 2016 4:13 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators Should Come (back) to the Domes 
the next 4-5 weeks ~ Important time for coherence in consciousness
 
 That's a ridiculous comment. I was just making the point that people need to 
keep up with developments in their field, and that is all that recertification 
is. 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :

One doesn't need a license to teach TM.So, you want the *state* to regulate the 
TM movement on how to operate?
Bet Maharishi would have taken his knowledge and money and left in a heart beat.
Hot under the collar? You can perceive it that way. I just say I washed my 
hands of their foolishness. I know a shake down when I see it. I don't need 
them anymore than they need me.
  From: feste37 <no_re...@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, April 6, 2016 7:16 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators Should Come (back) to the Domes 
the next 4-5 weeks ~ Important time for coherence in consciousness

 Many professions have a continuing ed. requirement which you have to fulfill 
iin order to keep your license to practice. I see nothing wrong at all in 
requiring recertification for teachers, so I'm puzzled about why you are so ho 
under the collar about it.  


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :

Doug, the TM movement keeps shooting it's self in the foot with it's policies. 
I guess the straw that broke the Camel's back for me was saying I couldn't 
initiate anyone  again unless I came back to Fairfield at their convenience, 
paid them a couple of thousand dollars and get re certified. I took that as a 
shakedown for money because they were hurting due to their own failed policies. 
Screw them and the horse they road in on. *Chances* are, I probably would never 
have initiated anyone again as it was but who knows. I'll honor their desire 
for me not to teach but If anyone ever asks me about a meditation technique, 
I'll send them to AOL before the TMO.


  From: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, April 6, 2016 1:02 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators Should Come (back) to the Domes the 
next 4-5 weeks ~ Important time for coherence in consciousness

 How could it have got so bad with thenumbers meditating in the Fairfield Dome 
meditations?
That people can't or won't come back tothe recall?

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :

According to published records, by July1975 in the USA, just itself alone, had 
5799 TM initiators. Now we can'tget much better than a very couple of hundred 
meditating in the men's Dometogether.  After 1975 some more TM teachers and 
then TM governorswere trained up in years following. With 'citizens' added, 
something like 29000 peoplelearned the TM-sidhis in North America.  Now the 
Dome program gets 200 plus men tothe Dome group meditation and some smallish 
number of women are over meditating in their location.  People moved here to 
Fairfield to be a part of somethinglarge when the group meditation had two 
thousand or more attending.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :

How could it have got to be so bad with thenumbers in the Fairfield Dome 
meditations?

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :

'Collective meditation' was a majormajor tenet of Maharishi's all along, there 
quite evidently has beena failure of an administration of the meditation, a 
failure thataffected people's feelings about coming out for the 
communalcollective meditation. This is going to take a change in leadership 
culture to re-group the collapse of the Dome group TM meditation program.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :

MMY: &

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators Should Come (back) to the Domes the next 4-5 weeks ~ Important time for coherence in consciousness

2016-04-07 Thread feste37
You seem determined to miss the point entirely. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :

 One doesn't need to take two weeks off to travel cross country to learn the 
latest information. If a teacher's knowledge  wasn't sufficient to teach 
anymore, then it never was sufficient to teach in the first place. What kind of 
teachers did Maharishi create? The fact is , it was a money maker for the TMO 
and I'm assuming intended for  signing a new contract, tightening controls on 
the teacher. Not one teacher came out of that program a better teacher but a 
better controlled teachermaybe.

 


 From: feste37 <no_re...@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, April 7, 2016 4:13 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators Should Come (back) to the Domes 
the next 4-5 weeks ~ Important time for coherence in consciousness
 
 
   That's a ridiculous comment. I was just making the point that people need to 
keep up with developments in their field, and that is all that recertification 
is. 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :

 One doesn't need a license to teach TM.
 So, you want the *state* to regulate the TM movement on how to operate?

 Bet Maharishi would have taken his knowledge and money and left in a heart 
beat.
Hot under the collar? You can perceive it that way. I just say I washed my 
hands of their foolishness. I know a shake down when I see it. I don't need 
them anymore than they need me.

 From: feste37 <no_re...@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, April 6, 2016 7:16 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators Should Come (back) to the Domes 
the next 4-5 weeks ~ Important time for coherence in consciousness

 
   Many professions have a continuing ed. requirement which you have to fulfill 
iin order to keep your license to practice. I see nothing wrong at all in 
requiring recertification for teachers, so I'm puzzled about why you are so ho 
under the collar about it.  

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :

 Doug, the TM movement keeps shooting it's self in the foot with it's policies. 
I guess the straw that broke the Camel's back for me was saying I couldn't 
initiate anyone  again unless I came back to Fairfield at their convenience, 
paid them a couple of thousand dollars and get re certified. I took that as a 
shakedown for money because they were hurting due to their own failed policies. 
Screw them and the horse they road in on. *Chances* are, I probably would never 
have initiated anyone again as it was but who knows. I'll honor their desire 
for me not to teach but If anyone ever asks me about a meditation technique, 
I'll send them to AOL before the TMO.
 
 


 From: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, April 6, 2016 1:02 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators Should Come (back) to the Domes the 
next 4-5 weeks ~ Important time for coherence in consciousness

 
   
 How could it have got so bad with the numbers meditating in the Fairfield Dome 
meditations? 
 
 
 That people can't or won't come back to the recall?
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :

 According to published records, by July 1975 in the USA, just itself alone, 
had 5799 TM initiators. Now we can't get much better than a very couple of 
hundred meditating in the men's Dome together. 
  After 1975 some more TM teachers and then TM governors were trained up in 
years following. With 'citizens' added, something like 29000 people learned the 
TM-sidhis in North America.
  
  Now the Dome program gets 200 plus men to the Dome group meditation and some 
smallish number of women are over meditating in their location. 
  People moved here to Fairfield to be a part of something large when the group 
meditation had two thousand or more attending.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :

 How could it have got to be so bad with the numbers in the Fairfield Dome 
meditations?
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :

 'Collective meditation' was a major major tenet of Maharishi's all along, 
there quite evidently has been a failure of an administration of the 
meditation, a failure that affected people's feelings about coming out for the 
communal collective meditation. This is going to take a change in leadership 
culture to re-group the collapse of the Dome group TM meditation program.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :

 MMY: "This is what happens in the Golden Domes,
 a wave of infinity spreads from one end of the Dome to the other end. But the 
wave is not constrained by the walls. It permeates the whole collective 
conscious ~the whole field of unmanifest infinity. This is what you are here

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators Should Come (back) to the Domes the next 4-5 weeks ~ Important time for coherence in consciousness

2016-04-07 Thread Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
One doesn't need to take two weeks off to travel cross country to learn the 
latest information. If a teacher's knowledge  wasn't sufficient to teach 
anymore, then it never was sufficient to teach in the first place. What kind of 
teachers did Maharishi create? The fact is , it was a money maker for the TMO 
and I'm assuming intended for  signing a new contract, tightening controls on 
the teacher. Not one teacher came out of that program a better teacher but a 
better controlled teachermaybe.


  From: feste37 <no_re...@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, April 7, 2016 4:13 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators Should Come (back) to the Domes 
the next 4-5 weeks ~ Important time for coherence in consciousness
   
    That's a ridiculous comment. I was just making the point that people need 
to keep up with developments in their field, and that is all that 
recertification is. 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :

One doesn't need a license to teach TM.So, you want the *state* to regulate the 
TM movement on how to operate?
Bet Maharishi would have taken his knowledge and money and left in a heart beat.
Hot under the collar? You can perceive it that way. I just say I washed my 
hands of their foolishness. I know a shake down when I see it. I don't need 
them anymore than they need me.
  From: feste37 <no_re...@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, April 6, 2016 7:16 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators Should Come (back) to the Domes 
the next 4-5 weeks ~ Important time for coherence in consciousness
 
 Many professions have a continuing ed. requirement which you have to fulfill 
iin order to keep your license to practice. I see nothing wrong at all in 
requiring recertification for teachers, so I'm puzzled about why you are so ho 
under the collar about it.  


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :

Doug, the TM movement keeps shooting it's self in the foot with it's policies. 
I guess the straw that broke the Camel's back for me was saying I couldn't 
initiate anyone  again unless I came back to Fairfield at their convenience, 
paid them a couple of thousand dollars and get re certified. I took that as a 
shakedown for money because they were hurting due to their own failed policies. 
Screw them and the horse they road in on. *Chances* are, I probably would never 
have initiated anyone again as it was but who knows. I'll honor their desire 
for me not to teach but If anyone ever asks me about a meditation technique, 
I'll send them to AOL before the TMO.


  From: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, April 6, 2016 1:02 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators Should Come (back) to the Domes the 
next 4-5 weeks ~ Important time for coherence in consciousness

 How could it have got so bad with thenumbers meditating in the Fairfield Dome 
meditations?
That people can't or won't come back tothe recall?

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :

According to published records, by July1975 in the USA, just itself alone, had 
5799 TM initiators. Now we can'tget much better than a very couple of hundred 
meditating in the men's Dometogether.  After 1975 some more TM teachers and 
then TM governorswere trained up in years following. With 'citizens' added, 
something like 29000 peoplelearned the TM-sidhis in North America.  Now the 
Dome program gets 200 plus men tothe Dome group meditation and some smallish 
number of women are over meditating in their location.  People moved here to 
Fairfield to be a part of somethinglarge when the group meditation had two 
thousand or more attending.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :

How could it have got to be so bad with thenumbers in the Fairfield Dome 
meditations?

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :

'Collective meditation' was a majormajor tenet of Maharishi's all along, there 
quite evidently has beena failure of an administration of the meditation, a 
failure thataffected people's feelings about coming out for the 
communalcollective meditation. This is going to take a change in leadership 
culture to re-group the collapse of the Dome group TM meditation program.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :

MMY: "This is what happens in the GoldenDomes,a wave of infinity spreads from 
one endof the Dome to the other end. But the wave is not constrained by 
thewalls. It permeates the whole collective conscious ~the whole fieldof 
unmanifest infinity. This is what you are here for. And as thegroup gets larger 
and larger, your experience will become moreprofound."     -July 2006, MMY 
inaugurating the Invincible AmericaAssembly

---In FairfieldLife@y

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators Should Come (back) to the Domes the next 4-5 weeks ~ Important time for coherence in consciousness

2016-04-07 Thread feste37
That's a ridiculous comment. I was just making the point that people need to 
keep up with developments in their field, and that is all that recertification 
is. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :

 One doesn't need a license to teach TM.
 So, you want the *state* to regulate the TM movement on how to operate?

 Bet Maharishi would have taken his knowledge and money and left in a heart 
beat.
Hot under the collar? You can perceive it that way. I just say I washed my 
hands of their foolishness. I know a shake down when I see it. I don't need 
them anymore than they need me.

 From: feste37 <no_re...@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, April 6, 2016 7:16 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators Should Come (back) to the Domes 
the next 4-5 weeks ~ Important time for coherence in consciousness
 
 
   Many professions have a continuing ed. requirement which you have to fulfill 
iin order to keep your license to practice. I see nothing wrong at all in 
requiring recertification for teachers, so I'm puzzled about why you are so ho 
under the collar about it.  

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :

 Doug, the TM movement keeps shooting it's self in the foot with it's policies. 
I guess the straw that broke the Camel's back for me was saying I couldn't 
initiate anyone  again unless I came back to Fairfield at their convenience, 
paid them a couple of thousand dollars and get re certified. I took that as a 
shakedown for money because they were hurting due to their own failed policies. 
Screw them and the horse they road in on. *Chances* are, I probably would never 
have initiated anyone again as it was but who knows. I'll honor their desire 
for me not to teach but If anyone ever asks me about a meditation technique, 
I'll send them to AOL before the TMO.
 
 


 From: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, April 6, 2016 1:02 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators Should Come (back) to the Domes the 
next 4-5 weeks ~ Important time for coherence in consciousness

 
   
 How could it have got so bad with the numbers meditating in the Fairfield Dome 
meditations? 
 
 
 That people can't or won't come back to the recall?
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :

 According to published records, by July 1975 in the USA, just itself alone, 
had 5799 TM initiators. Now we can't get much better than a very couple of 
hundred meditating in the men's Dome together. 
  After 1975 some more TM teachers and then TM governors were trained up in 
years following. With 'citizens' added, something like 29000 people learned the 
TM-sidhis in North America.
  
  Now the Dome program gets 200 plus men to the Dome group meditation and some 
smallish number of women are over meditating in their location. 
  People moved here to Fairfield to be a part of something large when the group 
meditation had two thousand or more attending.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :

 How could it have got to be so bad with the numbers in the Fairfield Dome 
meditations?
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :

 'Collective meditation' was a major major tenet of Maharishi's all along, 
there quite evidently has been a failure of an administration of the 
meditation, a failure that affected people's feelings about coming out for the 
communal collective meditation. This is going to take a change in leadership 
culture to re-group the collapse of the Dome group TM meditation program.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :

 MMY: "This is what happens in the Golden Domes,
 a wave of infinity spreads from one end of the Dome to the other end. But the 
wave is not constrained by the walls. It permeates the whole collective 
conscious ~the whole field of unmanifest infinity. This is what you are here 
for. And as the group gets larger and larger, your experience will become more 
profound." -July 2006, MMY inaugurating the Invincible America Assembly
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :

 The movement’s administrative guidelines for the group meditation should be 
such that all of the guidelines can be put on to a web page, publicly for 
anyone to read.  If that can’t be done then there is something wrong with the 
guidelines or the persons holding them.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :

 The guidelines for the Dome meditation could be much streamlined down to what 
it essentially takes to administrate a course.  It is fair that there be 
guidelines for the running of any organization, meeting or course.  But these 
go beyond practicality. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators Should Come (back) to the Domes the next 4-5 weeks ~ Important time for coherence in consciousness

2016-04-07 Thread olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
PS Lest you think I am all about knocking the TMO, just to put it in context, 
they offer the only useful technique for gaining enlightenment, imo. Maharishi 
was a revolutionary in that way. So, yeah, no follow through, but they are the 
only place to get started. 

 I have a friend who is a long time follower of Amma and the dude is hopelessly 
confused. Talking with him is like unraveling an endless ball of string. Also 
observed a follower of Rama aka Fred Lenz, and the guy is delusional. Such 
things can also happen with TMers, but these other two had no chance. 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <olliesedwuz@...> wrote :

 The thing is Doug, that organizations like the TMO attract those who want to 
be big shots, though with no other qualifications. After awhile, the management 
stops meeting peoples' needs and are in it just for themselves. Obviously not a 
recipe for growth.  

 In addition, TM is a victim of its own success, as it leads to an expansion of 
consciousness that the organization fails to address or even recognize; the 
experiences build and build, with no answer except get a checking or some such. 
 

 Aside from continuing to train teachers, the TMO has become useless for those 
practicing the techniques. The group programs are also failing because the TMO 
has no answer for the personal experiences that may result from such practices, 
and there are enough people gaining traction on their own and sharing this 
knowledge, that association with the TMO is now optional, at best.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :

 Yes a lot of old TM teachers feel cut this way.  
 I hear this a lot and this is very much related to how people feel about 
attending the group meditation in the Domes here. Meditators have been 
separated and excluded in a number of ways that need to be directly 
acknowledged and remediated for attendance to improve with the 'collective 
meditation'.  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :

 One doesn't need a license to teach TM.
 So, you want the *state* to regulate the TM movement on how to operate?

 Bet Maharishi would have taken his knowledge and money and left in a heart 
beat.
Hot under the collar? You can perceive it that way. I just say I washed my 
hands of their foolishness. I know a shake down when I see it. I don't need 
them anymore than they need me.

 From: feste37 <no_re...@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, April 6, 2016 7:16 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators Should Come (back) to the Domes 
the next 4-5 weeks ~ Important time for coherence in consciousness
 
 
   Many professions have a continuing ed. requirement which you have to fulfill 
iin order to keep your license to practice. I see nothing wrong at all in 
requiring recertification for teachers, so I'm puzzled about why you are so ho 
under the collar about it.  

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :

 Doug, the TM movement keeps shooting it's self in the foot with it's policies. 
I guess the straw that broke the Camel's back for me was saying I couldn't 
initiate anyone  again unless I came back to Fairfield at their convenience, 
paid them a couple of thousand dollars and get re certified. I took that as a 
shakedown for money because they were hurting due to their own failed policies. 
Screw them and the horse they road in on. *Chances* are, I probably would never 
have initiated anyone again as it was but who knows. I'll honor their desire 
for me not to teach but If anyone ever asks me about a meditation technique, 
I'll send them to AOL before the TMO.
 
 


 From: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, April 6, 2016 1:02 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators Should Come (back) to the Domes the 
next 4-5 weeks ~ Important time for coherence in consciousness

 
   
 How could it have got so bad with the numbers meditating in the Fairfield Dome 
meditations? 
 
 
 That people can't or won't come back to the recall?
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :

 According to published records, by July 1975 in the USA, just itself alone, 
had 5799 TM initiators. Now we can't get much better than a very couple of 
hundred meditating in the men's Dome together. 
  After 1975 some more TM teachers and then TM governors were trained up in 
years following. With 'citizens' added, something like 29000 people learned the 
TM-sidhis in North America.
  
  Now the Dome program gets 200 plus men to the Dome group meditation and some 
smallish number of women are over meditating in their location. 
  People moved here to Fairfield to be a part of something large when the group 
meditation had two thousand or more attending.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wro

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators Should Come (back) to the Domes the next 4-5 weeks ~ Important time for coherence in consciousness

2016-04-07 Thread olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
The thing is Doug, that organizations like the TMO attract those who want to be 
big shots, though with no other qualifications. After awhile, the management 
stops meeting peoples' needs and are in it just for themselves. Obviously not a 
recipe for growth.  

 In addition, TM is a victim of its own success, as it leads to an expansion of 
consciousness that the organization fails to address or even recognize; the 
experiences build and build, with no answer except get a checking or some such. 
 

 Aside from continuing to train teachers, the TMO has become useless for those 
practicing the techniques. The group programs are also failing because the TMO 
has no answer for the personal experiences that may result from such practices, 
and there are enough people gaining traction on their own and sharing this 
knowledge, that association with the TMO is now optional, at best.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :

 Yes a lot of old TM teachers feel cut this way.  
 I hear this a lot and this is very much related to how people feel about 
attending the group meditation in the Domes here. Meditators have been 
separated and excluded in a number of ways that need to be directly 
acknowledged and remediated for attendance to improve with the 'collective 
meditation'.  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :

 One doesn't need a license to teach TM.
 So, you want the *state* to regulate the TM movement on how to operate?

 Bet Maharishi would have taken his knowledge and money and left in a heart 
beat.
Hot under the collar? You can perceive it that way. I just say I washed my 
hands of their foolishness. I know a shake down when I see it. I don't need 
them anymore than they need me.

 From: feste37 <no_re...@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, April 6, 2016 7:16 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators Should Come (back) to the Domes 
the next 4-5 weeks ~ Important time for coherence in consciousness
 
 
   Many professions have a continuing ed. requirement which you have to fulfill 
iin order to keep your license to practice. I see nothing wrong at all in 
requiring recertification for teachers, so I'm puzzled about why you are so ho 
under the collar about it.  

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :

 Doug, the TM movement keeps shooting it's self in the foot with it's policies. 
I guess the straw that broke the Camel's back for me was saying I couldn't 
initiate anyone  again unless I came back to Fairfield at their convenience, 
paid them a couple of thousand dollars and get re certified. I took that as a 
shakedown for money because they were hurting due to their own failed policies. 
Screw them and the horse they road in on. *Chances* are, I probably would never 
have initiated anyone again as it was but who knows. I'll honor their desire 
for me not to teach but If anyone ever asks me about a meditation technique, 
I'll send them to AOL before the TMO.
 
 


 From: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, April 6, 2016 1:02 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators Should Come (back) to the Domes the 
next 4-5 weeks ~ Important time for coherence in consciousness

 
   
 How could it have got so bad with the numbers meditating in the Fairfield Dome 
meditations? 
 
 
 That people can't or won't come back to the recall?
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :

 According to published records, by July 1975 in the USA, just itself alone, 
had 5799 TM initiators. Now we can't get much better than a very couple of 
hundred meditating in the men's Dome together. 
  After 1975 some more TM teachers and then TM governors were trained up in 
years following. With 'citizens' added, something like 29000 people learned the 
TM-sidhis in North America.
  
  Now the Dome program gets 200 plus men to the Dome group meditation and some 
smallish number of women are over meditating in their location. 
  People moved here to Fairfield to be a part of something large when the group 
meditation had two thousand or more attending.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :

 How could it have got to be so bad with the numbers in the Fairfield Dome 
meditations?
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :

 'Collective meditation' was a major major tenet of Maharishi's all along, 
there quite evidently has been a failure of an administration of the 
meditation, a failure that affected people's feelings about coming out for the 
communal collective meditation. This is going to take a change in leadership 
culture to re-group the collapse of the Dome group TM meditation program.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :

 MMY: "This is what 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators Should Come (back) to the Domes the next 4-5 weeks ~ Important time for coherence in consciousness

2016-04-07 Thread Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Yeah, as soon as it started getting messy I started distancing myself from it. 
But I did watch from afar 



  From: "awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, April 7, 2016 9:02 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators Should Come (back) to the Domes 
the next 4-5 weeks ~ Important time for coherence in consciousness
   
    


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :

You know, the TMO has always operated in a cliquish manner. When you first get 
initiated ,everything is cool. You belong to a unique group of people *saving 
the world*. But then you notice various cliques have formed. There are plane 
ol' meditaters,( the lowest of the low, that nobody wants to hang with) sidhas, 
pre-teachers, Teachers, Governors, Rajas, Maharajas, ministers of this and 
that, administrators, cooks and dish washer, etcDisenfranchising a group could 
have the effect of making them scramble to get in a better position, even if it 
costs them a lot of money to *belong*.
Thank God, I don't want to *belong*!I don't remember how many teachers 
Maharishi trained before this recertification program started but imagine 
getting every, or nearly every, teacher to plop down a couple of thousand bucks 
just to maintain their status. Might pay some bills with that kind of cash. 
Plus, you can tighten your grip on confidentiality of the teaching process.

I think I managed to avoid all of this messy stuff by not becoming an 
initiator. It just never appealed to me - all that standardized code of 
behavior and dress and conduct. I simply enjoyed the technique and MIU back in 
the 70's was really a gas - a demographically diverse student body and a 
feeling of tapping into something special in terms of the curriculum and how it 
related to SCI. I'm not sure how it feels on the campus now, but back then it 
was perfectly timed for who I was and what I needed. Consequently, no hard 
feelings and I simply moved on. The Robin adventure was sort of like stealing a 
car and going for a wild joy ride having imbibed a six pack. You sort of wake 
up one day with a hangover and wonder what the hell happened but don't regret 
the adventure.  From: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" 
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, April 7, 2016 7:03 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators Should Come (back) to the Domes 
the next 4-5 weeks ~ Important time for coherence in consciousness
 
 Yes a lot of old TM teachers feel cut this way.  I hear this a lot and this is 
very much related to how people feel about attending the group meditation in 
the Domes here. Meditators have been separated and excluded in a number of ways 
that need to be directly acknowledged and remediated for attendance to improve 
with the 'collective meditation'.  

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :

One doesn't need a license to teach TM.So, you want the *state* to regulate the 
TM movement on how to operate?
Bet Maharishi would have taken his knowledge and money and left in a heart beat.
Hot under the collar? You can perceive it that way. I just say I washed my 
hands of their foolishness. I know a shake down when I see it. I don't need 
them anymore than they need me.
  From: feste37 <no_re...@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, April 6, 2016 7:16 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators Should Come (back) to the Domes 
the next 4-5 weeks ~ Important time for coherence in consciousness

 Many professions have a continuing ed. requirement which you have to fulfill 
iin order to keep your license to practice. I see nothing wrong at all in 
requiring recertification for teachers, so I'm puzzled about why you are so ho 
under the collar about it.  


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :

Doug, the TM movement keeps shooting it's self in the foot with it's policies. 
I guess the straw that broke the Camel's back for me was saying I couldn't 
initiate anyone  again unless I came back to Fairfield at their convenience, 
paid them a couple of thousand dollars and get re certified. I took that as a 
shakedown for money because they were hurting due to their own failed policies. 
Screw them and the horse they road in on. *Chances* are, I probably would never 
have initiated anyone again as it was but who knows. I'll honor their desire 
for me not to teach but If anyone ever asks me about a meditation technique, 
I'll send them to AOL before the TMO.


  From: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, April 6, 2016 1:02 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators Should Come (back) to the Domes the 
next 4-5 weeks ~ Important time for coherence in consciousness

 How c

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators Should Come (back) to the Domes the next 4-5 weeks ~ Important time for coherence in consciousness

2016-04-07 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :

 You know, the TMO has always operated in a cliquish manner. When you first get 
initiated ,everything is cool. You belong to a unique group of people *saving 
the world*. But then you notice various cliques have formed. There are plane 
ol' meditaters,( the lowest of the low, that nobody wants to hang with) sidhas, 
pre-teachers, Teachers, Governors, Rajas, Maharajas, ministers of this and 
that, administrators, cooks and dish washer, etc
 Disenfranchising a group could have the effect of making them scramble to get 
in a better position, even if it costs them a lot of money to *belong*.
 Thank God, I don't want to *belong*!
 I don't remember how many teachers Maharishi trained before this 
recertification program started but imagine getting every, or nearly every, 
teacher to plop down a couple of thousand bucks just to maintain their status. 
Might pay some bills with that kind of cash. Plus, you can tighten your grip on 
confidentiality of the teaching process.

 

 I think I managed to avoid all of this messy stuff by not becoming an 
initiator. It just never appealed to me - all that standardized code of 
behavior and dress and conduct. I simply enjoyed the technique and MIU back in 
the 70's was really a gas - a demographically diverse student body and a 
feeling of tapping into something special in terms of the curriculum and how it 
related to SCI. I'm not sure how it feels on the campus now, but back then it 
was perfectly timed for who I was and what I needed. Consequently, no hard 
feelings and I simply moved on. The Robin adventure was sort of like stealing a 
car and going for a wild joy ride having imbibed a six pack. You sort of wake 
up one day with a hangover and wonder what the hell happened but don't regret 
the adventure.

 From: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, April 7, 2016 7:03 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators Should Come (back) to the Domes 
the next 4-5 weeks ~ Important time for coherence in consciousness
 
 
   
 Yes a lot of old TM teachers feel cut this way.  
 I hear this a lot and this is very much related to how people feel about 
attending the group meditation in the Domes here. Meditators have been 
separated and excluded in a number of ways that need to be directly 
acknowledged and remediated for attendance to improve with the 'collective 
meditation'.  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :

 One doesn't need a license to teach TM.
 So, you want the *state* to regulate the TM movement on how to operate?

 Bet Maharishi would have taken his knowledge and money and left in a heart 
beat.
Hot under the collar? You can perceive it that way. I just say I washed my 
hands of their foolishness. I know a shake down when I see it. I don't need 
them anymore than they need me.

 From: feste37 <no_re...@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, April 6, 2016 7:16 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators Should Come (back) to the Domes 
the next 4-5 weeks ~ Important time for coherence in consciousness

 
   Many professions have a continuing ed. requirement which you have to fulfill 
iin order to keep your license to practice. I see nothing wrong at all in 
requiring recertification for teachers, so I'm puzzled about why you are so ho 
under the collar about it.  

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :

 Doug, the TM movement keeps shooting it's self in the foot with it's policies. 
I guess the straw that broke the Camel's back for me was saying I couldn't 
initiate anyone  again unless I came back to Fairfield at their convenience, 
paid them a couple of thousand dollars and get re certified. I took that as a 
shakedown for money because they were hurting due to their own failed policies. 
Screw them and the horse they road in on. *Chances* are, I probably would never 
have initiated anyone again as it was but who knows. I'll honor their desire 
for me not to teach but If anyone ever asks me about a meditation technique, 
I'll send them to AOL before the TMO.
 
 


 From: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, April 6, 2016 1:02 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators Should Come (back) to the Domes the 
next 4-5 weeks ~ Important time for coherence in consciousness

 
   
 How could it have got so bad with the numbers meditating in the Fairfield Dome 
meditations? 
 
 
 That people can't or won't come back to the recall?
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :

 According to published records, by July 1975 in the USA, just itself alone, 
had 5799 TM initiators. Now we can't get much better than a very couple of 
hundred meditating in the men's 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators Should Come (back) to the Domes the next 4-5 weeks ~ Important time for coherence in consciousness

2016-04-07 Thread Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
You know, the TMO has always operated in a cliquish manner. When you first get 
initiated ,everything is cool. You belong to a unique group of people *saving 
the world*. But then you notice various cliques have formed. There are plane 
ol' meditaters,( the lowest of the low, that nobody wants to hang with) sidhas, 
pre-teachers, Teachers, Governors, Rajas, Maharajas, ministers of this and 
that, administrators, cooks and dish washer, etcDisenfranchising a group could 
have the effect of making them scramble to get in a better position, even if it 
costs them a lot of money to *belong*.
Thank God, I don't want to *belong*!I don't remember how many teachers 
Maharishi trained before this recertification program started but imagine 
getting every, or nearly every, teacher to plop down a couple of thousand bucks 
just to maintain their status. Might pay some bills with that kind of cash. 
Plus, you can tighten your grip on confidentiality of the teaching process.
  From: "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, April 7, 2016 7:03 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators Should Come (back) to the Domes 
the next 4-5 weeks ~ Important time for coherence in consciousness
   
    Yes a lot of old TM teachers feel cut this way.  I hear this a lot and this 
is very much related to how people feel about attending the group meditation in 
the Domes here. Meditators have been separated and excluded in a number of ways 
that need to be directly acknowledged and remediated for attendance to improve 
with the 'collective meditation'.  

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6...@yahoo.com> wrote :

One doesn't need a license to teach TM.So, you want the *state* to regulate the 
TM movement on how to operate?
Bet Maharishi would have taken his knowledge and money and left in a heart beat.
Hot under the collar? You can perceive it that way. I just say I washed my 
hands of their foolishness. I know a shake down when I see it. I don't need 
them anymore than they need me.
  From: feste37 <no_re...@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, April 6, 2016 7:16 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators Should Come (back) to the Domes 
the next 4-5 weeks ~ Important time for coherence in consciousness
 
 Many professions have a continuing ed. requirement which you have to fulfill 
iin order to keep your license to practice. I see nothing wrong at all in 
requiring recertification for teachers, so I'm puzzled about why you are so ho 
under the collar about it.  


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :

Doug, the TM movement keeps shooting it's self in the foot with it's policies. 
I guess the straw that broke the Camel's back for me was saying I couldn't 
initiate anyone  again unless I came back to Fairfield at their convenience, 
paid them a couple of thousand dollars and get re certified. I took that as a 
shakedown for money because they were hurting due to their own failed policies. 
Screw them and the horse they road in on. *Chances* are, I probably would never 
have initiated anyone again as it was but who knows. I'll honor their desire 
for me not to teach but If anyone ever asks me about a meditation technique, 
I'll send them to AOL before the TMO.


  From: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, April 6, 2016 1:02 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators Should Come (back) to the Domes the 
next 4-5 weeks ~ Important time for coherence in consciousness

 How could it have got so bad with thenumbers meditating in the Fairfield Dome 
meditations?
That people can't or won't come back tothe recall?

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :

According to published records, by July1975 in the USA, just itself alone, had 
5799 TM initiators. Now we can'tget much better than a very couple of hundred 
meditating in the men's Dometogether.  After 1975 some more TM teachers and 
then TM governorswere trained up in years following. With 'citizens' added, 
something like 29000 peoplelearned the TM-sidhis in North America.  Now the 
Dome program gets 200 plus men tothe Dome group meditation and some smallish 
number of women are over meditating in their location.  People moved here to 
Fairfield to be a part of somethinglarge when the group meditation had two 
thousand or more attending.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :

How could it have got to be so bad with thenumbers in the Fairfield Dome 
meditations?

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :

'Collective meditation' was a majormajor tenet of Maharishi's all along, there 
quite evidently has beena failure of an administration of the meditation, a 
failure thataffected peopl

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators Should Come (back) to the Domes the next 4-5 weeks ~ Important time for coherence in consciousness

2016-04-07 Thread dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Yes a lot of old TM teachers feel cut this way.  
 I hear this a lot and this is very much related to how people feel about 
attending the group meditation in the Domes here. Meditators have been 
separated and excluded in a number of ways that need to be directly 
acknowledged and remediated for attendance to improve with the 'collective 
meditation'.  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6...@yahoo.com> wrote :

 One doesn't need a license to teach TM.
 So, you want the *state* to regulate the TM movement on how to operate?

 Bet Maharishi would have taken his knowledge and money and left in a heart 
beat.
Hot under the collar? You can perceive it that way. I just say I washed my 
hands of their foolishness. I know a shake down when I see it. I don't need 
them anymore than they need me.

 From: feste37 <no_re...@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, April 6, 2016 7:16 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators Should Come (back) to the Domes 
the next 4-5 weeks ~ Important time for coherence in consciousness
 
 
   Many professions have a continuing ed. requirement which you have to fulfill 
iin order to keep your license to practice. I see nothing wrong at all in 
requiring recertification for teachers, so I'm puzzled about why you are so ho 
under the collar about it.  

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :

 Doug, the TM movement keeps shooting it's self in the foot with it's policies. 
I guess the straw that broke the Camel's back for me was saying I couldn't 
initiate anyone  again unless I came back to Fairfield at their convenience, 
paid them a couple of thousand dollars and get re certified. I took that as a 
shakedown for money because they were hurting due to their own failed policies. 
Screw them and the horse they road in on. *Chances* are, I probably would never 
have initiated anyone again as it was but who knows. I'll honor their desire 
for me not to teach but If anyone ever asks me about a meditation technique, 
I'll send them to AOL before the TMO.
 
 


 From: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, April 6, 2016 1:02 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators Should Come (back) to the Domes the 
next 4-5 weeks ~ Important time for coherence in consciousness

 
   
 How could it have got so bad with the numbers meditating in the Fairfield Dome 
meditations? 
 
 
 That people can't or won't come back to the recall?
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :

 According to published records, by July 1975 in the USA, just itself alone, 
had 5799 TM initiators. Now we can't get much better than a very couple of 
hundred meditating in the men's Dome together. 
  After 1975 some more TM teachers and then TM governors were trained up in 
years following. With 'citizens' added, something like 29000 people learned the 
TM-sidhis in North America.
  
  Now the Dome program gets 200 plus men to the Dome group meditation and some 
smallish number of women are over meditating in their location. 
  People moved here to Fairfield to be a part of something large when the group 
meditation had two thousand or more attending.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :

 How could it have got to be so bad with the numbers in the Fairfield Dome 
meditations?
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :

 'Collective meditation' was a major major tenet of Maharishi's all along, 
there quite evidently has been a failure of an administration of the 
meditation, a failure that affected people's feelings about coming out for the 
communal collective meditation. This is going to take a change in leadership 
culture to re-group the collapse of the Dome group TM meditation program.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :

 MMY: "This is what happens in the Golden Domes,
 a wave of infinity spreads from one end of the Dome to the other end. But the 
wave is not constrained by the walls. It permeates the whole collective 
conscious ~the whole field of unmanifest infinity. This is what you are here 
for. And as the group gets larger and larger, your experience will become more 
profound." -July 2006, MMY inaugurating the Invincible America Assembly
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :

 The movement’s administrative guidelines for the group meditation should be 
such that all of the guidelines can be put on to a web page, publicly for 
anyone to read.  If that can’t be done then there is something wrong with the 
guidelines or the persons holding them.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :

 The guidelines for the Dome meditation could be much streamlined down to what 
it essentially takes to administrate a c

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators Should Come (back) to the Domes the next 4-5 weeks ~ Important time for coherence in consciousness

2016-04-06 Thread yifux...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
My prediction: the Dome numbers will definitely improve in about 500 years.  In 
the meantime, a guest speaker might draw in more people:
 http://tinyurl.com/gsj77fy http://tinyurl.com/gsj77fy
 

 

 

 http://tinyurl.com/gsj77fy
 
 



Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators Should Come (back) to the Domes the next 4-5 weeks ~ Important time for coherence in consciousness

2016-04-06 Thread Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
One doesn't need a license to teach TM.So, you want the *state* to regulate the 
TM movement on how to operate?
Bet Maharishi would have taken his knowledge and money and left in a heart beat.
Hot under the collar? You can perceive it that way. I just say I washed my 
hands of their foolishness. I know a shake down when I see it. I don't need 
them anymore than they need me.
  From: feste37 <no_re...@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, April 6, 2016 7:16 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators Should Come (back) to the Domes 
the next 4-5 weeks ~ Important time for coherence in consciousness
   
    Many professions have a continuing ed. requirement which you have to 
fulfill iin order to keep your license to practice. I see nothing wrong at all 
in requiring recertification for teachers, so I'm puzzled about why you are so 
ho under the collar about it.  


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :

Doug, the TM movement keeps shooting it's self in the foot with it's policies. 
I guess the straw that broke the Camel's back for me was saying I couldn't 
initiate anyone  again unless I came back to Fairfield at their convenience, 
paid them a couple of thousand dollars and get re certified. I took that as a 
shakedown for money because they were hurting due to their own failed policies. 
Screw them and the horse they road in on. *Chances* are, I probably would never 
have initiated anyone again as it was but who knows. I'll honor their desire 
for me not to teach but If anyone ever asks me about a meditation technique, 
I'll send them to AOL before the TMO.


  From: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, April 6, 2016 1:02 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators Should Come (back) to the Domes the 
next 4-5 weeks ~ Important time for coherence in consciousness
 
 How could it have got so bad with thenumbers meditating in the Fairfield Dome 
meditations?
That people can't or won't come back tothe recall?

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :

According to published records, by July1975 in the USA, just itself alone, had 
5799 TM initiators. Now we can'tget much better than a very couple of hundred 
meditating in the men's Dometogether.  After 1975 some more TM teachers and 
then TM governorswere trained up in years following. With 'citizens' added, 
something like 29000 peoplelearned the TM-sidhis in North America.  Now the 
Dome program gets 200 plus men tothe Dome group meditation and some smallish 
number of women are over meditating in their location.  People moved here to 
Fairfield to be a part of somethinglarge when the group meditation had two 
thousand or more attending.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :

How could it have got to be so bad with thenumbers in the Fairfield Dome 
meditations?

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :

'Collective meditation' was a majormajor tenet of Maharishi's all along, there 
quite evidently has beena failure of an administration of the meditation, a 
failure thataffected people's feelings about coming out for the 
communalcollective meditation. This is going to take a change in leadership 
culture to re-group the collapse of the Dome group TM meditation program.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :

MMY: "This is what happens in the GoldenDomes,a wave of infinity spreads from 
one endof the Dome to the other end. But the wave is not constrained by 
thewalls. It permeates the whole collective conscious ~the whole fieldof 
unmanifest infinity. This is what you are here for. And as thegroup gets larger 
and larger, your experience will become moreprofound."     -July 2006, MMY 
inaugurating the Invincible AmericaAssembly

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :

The movement’s administrative guidelines for the group meditation should be 
such that all of the guidelines can be put on to a web page, publicly for 
anyone to read.  If that can’t be done then there is something wrong with the 
guidelines or the persons holding them.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :

The guidelines for the Dome meditation could be much streamlined down to what 
it essentially takes to administrate a course.  It is fair that there be 
guidelines for the running of any organization, meeting or course.  But these 
go beyond practicality. 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :

The movement’s guidelines as they exist essentially are tools of retribution 
that for decades have driven a whole movement of meditators away.  
It will take some large leadership to change that.  Their problem now is that 
this has gone on so long and the hurt enough that people have gone 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators Should Come (back) to the Domes the next 4-5 weeks ~ Important time for coherence in consciousness

2016-04-06 Thread feste37
Many professions have a continuing ed. requirement which you have to fulfill 
iin order to keep your license to practice. I see nothing wrong at all in 
requiring recertification for teachers, so I'm puzzled about why you are so ho 
under the collar about it.  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :

 Doug, the TM movement keeps shooting it's self in the foot with it's policies. 
I guess the straw that broke the Camel's back for me was saying I couldn't 
initiate anyone  again unless I came back to Fairfield at their convenience, 
paid them a couple of thousand dollars and get re certified. I took that as a 
shakedown for money because they were hurting due to their own failed policies. 
Screw them and the horse they road in on. *Chances* are, I probably would never 
have initiated anyone again as it was but who knows. I'll honor their desire 
for me not to teach but If anyone ever asks me about a meditation technique, 
I'll send them to AOL before the TMO.
 
 


 From: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, April 6, 2016 1:02 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators Should Come (back) to the Domes the 
next 4-5 weeks ~ Important time for coherence in consciousness
 
 
   
 How could it have got so bad with the numbers meditating in the Fairfield Dome 
meditations? 
 
 
 That people can't or won't come back to the recall?
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :

 According to published records, by July 1975 in the USA, just itself alone, 
had 5799 TM initiators. Now we can't get much better than a very couple of 
hundred meditating in the men's Dome together. 
  After 1975 some more TM teachers and then TM governors were trained up in 
years following. With 'citizens' added, something like 29000 people learned the 
TM-sidhis in North America.
  
  Now the Dome program gets 200 plus men to the Dome group meditation and some 
smallish number of women are over meditating in their location. 
  People moved here to Fairfield to be a part of something large when the group 
meditation had two thousand or more attending.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :

 How could it have got to be so bad with the numbers in the Fairfield Dome 
meditations?
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :

 'Collective meditation' was a major major tenet of Maharishi's all along, 
there quite evidently has been a failure of an administration of the 
meditation, a failure that affected people's feelings about coming out for the 
communal collective meditation. This is going to take a change in leadership 
culture to re-group the collapse of the Dome group TM meditation program.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :

 MMY: "This is what happens in the Golden Domes,
 a wave of infinity spreads from one end of the Dome to the other end. But the 
wave is not constrained by the walls. It permeates the whole collective 
conscious ~the whole field of unmanifest infinity. This is what you are here 
for. And as the group gets larger and larger, your experience will become more 
profound." -July 2006, MMY inaugurating the Invincible America Assembly
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :

 The movement’s administrative guidelines for the group meditation should be 
such that all of the guidelines can be put on to a web page, publicly for 
anyone to read.  If that can’t be done then there is something wrong with the 
guidelines or the persons holding them.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :

 The guidelines for the Dome meditation could be much streamlined down to what 
it essentially takes to administrate a course.  It is fair that there be 
guidelines for the running of any organization, meeting or course.  But these 
go beyond practicality. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :

 The movement’s guidelines as they exist essentially are tools of retribution 
that for decades have driven a whole movement of meditators away.  
 

 It will take some large leadership to change that.  Their problem now is that 
this has gone on so long and the hurt enough that people have gone on, don’t 
care, and will not come back. It would take a large mediation to turn this 
around and have meditators come back to the Domes.  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :

 A large barrier to world peace here is the administrative guidelines 
themselves that are employed to interrogate and discipline old TM teachers as a 
gatekeeping to the group meditation. There is a judgement and retributive edge 
in there, a vindictiveness held in the guidelines that is of a stiffness in the 
business of the minds of some people in charge of the movem

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators Should Come (back) to the Domes the next 4-5 weeks ~ Important time for coherence in consciousness

2016-04-06 Thread Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
BTW, I like Sri Sri. I don;t make a habit of going to meet saints but saw him a 
couple of times many years ago. I think he's a very high fellow. I don't see 
auras as much as I used to but when I saw him, I could see molting gold flowing 
out of his head down over his shoulders.He was quite impressive and I spoke 
with him. He has Maharishi's knowledge and I recognize him as being the next in 
line of the Holy Tradition.Bevan and king Tony are wanna bees.


  From: "Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> 
 Sent: Wednesday, April 6, 2016 3:11 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators Should Come (back) to the Domes 
the next 4-5 weeks ~ Important time for coherence in consciousness
   
    Doug, the TM movement keeps shooting it's self in the foot with it's 
policies. I guess the straw that broke the Camel's back for me was saying I 
couldn't initiate anyone  again unless I came back to Fairfield at their 
convenience, paid them a couple of thousand dollars and get re certified. I 
took that as a shakedown for money because they were hurting due to their own 
failed policies. Screw them and the horse they road in on. *Chances* are, I 
probably would never have initiated anyone again as it was but who knows. I'll 
honor their desire for me not to teach but If anyone ever asks me about a 
meditation technique, I'll send them to AOL before the TMO.


  From: "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, April 6, 2016 1:02 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators Should Come (back) to the Domes the 
next 4-5 weeks ~ Important time for coherence in consciousness
  
    How could it have got so bad with thenumbers meditating in the Fairfield 
Dome meditations? 
That people can't or won't come back tothe recall?

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony...@yahoo.com> wrote :

According to published records, by July1975 in the USA, just itself alone, had 
5799 TM initiators. Now we can'tget much better than a very couple of hundred 
meditating in the men's Dometogether.  After 1975 some more TM teachers and 
then TM governorswere trained up in years following. With 'citizens' added, 
something like 29000 peoplelearned the TM-sidhis in North America.  Now the 
Dome program gets 200 plus men tothe Dome group meditation and some smallish 
number of women are over meditating in their location.  People moved here to 
Fairfield to be a part of somethinglarge when the group meditation had two 
thousand or more attending.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony...@yahoo.com> wrote :

How could it have got to be so bad with thenumbers in the Fairfield Dome 
meditations?

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony...@yahoo.com> wrote :

'Collective meditation' was a majormajor tenet of Maharishi's all along, there 
quite evidently has beena failure of an administration of the meditation, a 
failure thataffected people's feelings about coming out for the 
communalcollective meditation. This is going to take a change in leadership 
culture to re-group the collapse of the Dome group TM meditation program.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony...@yahoo.com> wrote :

MMY: "This is what happens in the GoldenDomes,a wave of infinity spreads from 
one endof the Dome to the other end. But the wave is not constrained by 
thewalls. It permeates the whole collective conscious ~the whole fieldof 
unmanifest infinity. This is what you are here for. And as thegroup gets larger 
and larger, your experience will become moreprofound."     -July 2006, MMY 
inaugurating the Invincible AmericaAssembly

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony...@yahoo.com> wrote :

The movement’s administrative guidelines for the group meditation should be 
such that all of the guidelines can be put on to a web page, publicly for 
anyone to read.  If that can’t be done then there is something wrong with the 
guidelines or the persons holding them.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony...@yahoo.com> wrote :

The guidelines for the Dome meditation could be much streamlined down to what 
it essentially takes to administrate a course.  It is fair that there be 
guidelines for the running of any organization, meeting or course.  But these 
go beyond practicality. 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony...@yahoo.com> wrote :

The movement’s guidelines as they exist essentially are tools of retribution 
that for decades have driven a whole movement of meditators away.  
It will take some large leadership to change that.  Their problem now is that 
this has gone on so long and the hurt enough that people have gone on, don’t 
care, and will not come back. It would take a large mediation to 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators Should Come (back) to the Domes the next 4-5 weeks ~ Important time for coherence in consciousness

2016-04-06 Thread Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Doug, the TM movement keeps shooting it's self in the foot with it's policies. 
I guess the straw that broke the Camel's back for me was saying I couldn't 
initiate anyone  again unless I came back to Fairfield at their convenience, 
paid them a couple of thousand dollars and get re certified. I took that as a 
shakedown for money because they were hurting due to their own failed policies. 
Screw them and the horse they road in on. *Chances* are, I probably would never 
have initiated anyone again as it was but who knows. I'll honor their desire 
for me not to teach but If anyone ever asks me about a meditation technique, 
I'll send them to AOL before the TMO.


  From: "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, April 6, 2016 1:02 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators Should Come (back) to the Domes the 
next 4-5 weeks ~ Important time for coherence in consciousness
   
    How could it have got so bad with thenumbers meditating in the Fairfield 
Dome meditations? 
That people can't or won't come back tothe recall?

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony...@yahoo.com> wrote :

According to published records, by July1975 in the USA, just itself alone, had 
5799 TM initiators. Now we can'tget much better than a very couple of hundred 
meditating in the men's Dometogether.  After 1975 some more TM teachers and 
then TM governorswere trained up in years following. With 'citizens' added, 
something like 29000 peoplelearned the TM-sidhis in North America.  Now the 
Dome program gets 200 plus men tothe Dome group meditation and some smallish 
number of women are over meditating in their location.  People moved here to 
Fairfield to be a part of somethinglarge when the group meditation had two 
thousand or more attending.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony...@yahoo.com> wrote :

How could it have got to be so bad with thenumbers in the Fairfield Dome 
meditations?

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony...@yahoo.com> wrote :

'Collective meditation' was a majormajor tenet of Maharishi's all along, there 
quite evidently has beena failure of an administration of the meditation, a 
failure thataffected people's feelings about coming out for the 
communalcollective meditation. This is going to take a change in leadership 
culture to re-group the collapse of the Dome group TM meditation program.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony...@yahoo.com> wrote :

MMY: "This is what happens in the GoldenDomes,a wave of infinity spreads from 
one endof the Dome to the other end. But the wave is not constrained by 
thewalls. It permeates the whole collective conscious ~the whole fieldof 
unmanifest infinity. This is what you are here for. And as thegroup gets larger 
and larger, your experience will become moreprofound."     -July 2006, MMY 
inaugurating the Invincible AmericaAssembly

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony...@yahoo.com> wrote :

The movement’s administrative guidelines for the group meditation should be 
such that all of the guidelines can be put on to a web page, publicly for 
anyone to read.  If that can’t be done then there is something wrong with the 
guidelines or the persons holding them.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony...@yahoo.com> wrote :

The guidelines for the Dome meditation could be much streamlined down to what 
it essentially takes to administrate a course.  It is fair that there be 
guidelines for the running of any organization, meeting or course.  But these 
go beyond practicality. 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony...@yahoo.com> wrote :

The movement’s guidelines as they exist essentially are tools of retribution 
that for decades have driven a whole movement of meditators away.  
It will take some large leadership to change that.  Their problem now is that 
this has gone on so long and the hurt enough that people have gone on, don’t 
care, and will not come back. It would take a large mediation to turn this 
around and have meditators come back to the Domes.  

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony...@yahoo.com> wrote :

A large barrier to world peace here is the administrative guidelines themselves 
that are employed to interrogate and discipline old TM teachers as a 
gatekeeping to the group meditation. There is a judgement and retributive edge 
in there, a vindictiveness held in the guidelines that is of a stiffness in the 
business of the minds of some people in charge of the movement that has long 
thwarted the group meditation.  It is a cultural problem deep inside TM.  

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony...@yahoo.com> wrote :

At the level of the practitioner it can all feel too much like going in to an 
interview with a McCarthy committee or the old East German police as someone 
starts 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators Should Come (back) to the Domes the next 4-5 weeks ~ Important time for coherence in consciousness

2016-04-06 Thread dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
How could it have got so bad with the numbers meditating in the Fairfield Dome 
meditations? 
 
 
 That people can't or won't come back to the recall?
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 According to published records, by July 1975 in the USA, just itself alone, 
had 5799 TM initiators. Now we can't get much better than a very couple of 
hundred meditating in the men's Dome together. 
  After 1975 some more TM teachers and then TM governors were trained up in 
years following. With 'citizens' added, something like 29000 people learned the 
TM-sidhis in North America.
  
  Now the Dome program gets 200 plus men to the Dome group meditation and some 
smallish number of women are over meditating in their location. 
  People moved here to Fairfield to be a part of something large when the group 
meditation had two thousand or more attending.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 How could it have got to be so bad with the numbers in the Fairfield Dome 
meditations?
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 'Collective meditation' was a major major tenet of Maharishi's all along, 
there quite evidently has been a failure of an administration of the 
meditation, a failure that affected people's feelings about coming out for the 
communal collective meditation. This is going to take a change in leadership 
culture to re-group the collapse of the Dome group TM meditation program.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 MMY: "This is what happens in the Golden Domes,
 a wave of infinity spreads from one end of the Dome to the other end. But the 
wave is not constrained by the walls. It permeates the whole collective 
conscious ~the whole field of unmanifest infinity. This is what you are here 
for. And as the group gets larger and larger, your experience will become more 
profound." -July 2006, MMY inaugurating the Invincible America Assembly
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 The movement’s administrative guidelines for the group meditation should be 
such that all of the guidelines can be put on to a web page, publicly for 
anyone to read.  If that can’t be done then there is something wrong with the 
guidelines or the persons holding them.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 The guidelines for the Dome meditation could be much streamlined down to what 
it essentially takes to administrate a course.  It is fair that there be 
guidelines for the running of any organization, meeting or course.  But these 
go beyond practicality. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 The movement’s guidelines as they exist essentially are tools of retribution 
that for decades have driven a whole movement of meditators away.  
 

 It will take some large leadership to change that.  Their problem now is that 
this has gone on so long and the hurt enough that people have gone on, don’t 
care, and will not come back. It would take a large mediation to turn this 
around and have meditators come back to the Domes.  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 A large barrier to world peace here is the administrative guidelines 
themselves that are employed to interrogate and discipline old TM teachers as a 
gatekeeping to the group meditation. There is a judgement and retributive edge 
in there, a vindictiveness held in the guidelines that is of a stiffness in the 
business of the minds of some people in charge of the movement that has long 
thwarted the group meditation.  It is a cultural problem deep inside TM.  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 At the level of the practitioner it can all feel too much like going in to an 
interview with a McCarthy committee or the old East German police as someone 
starts an application for a Dome meditation badge.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 That is funny. Taping Rick's thesis to the doors?   In these times it would be 
scotch taping a thesis to the glass Dome doors or pinning them
 on the walls nearby the doors where people read 
 announcements as they come and go in to the Domes.
 

 " ..the historicity of the hammer blows of Wittenberg. In fact, the door of 
the Castle Church did serve as the official university bulletin board and was 
regularly used for exactly the kind of announcement Luther made when he called 
for a public disputation on indulgences.   But whether the event happened at 
two o'clock in the afternoon--or at all--is not the point. Copies of Luther's 
theses were soon distributed by humanist scholars all over Europe. Within just 
a few weeks, an obscure Augustinian monk in a backwater university town had 
become a household name and was the subject of chatter from Lisbon to 
Lithuania."
  

 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators Should Come (back) to the Domes the next 4-5 weeks ~ Important time for coherence in consciousness

2016-04-06 Thread dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
According to published records, by July 1975 in the USA, just itself alone, had 
5799 TM initiators. Now we can't get much better than a very couple of hundred 
meditating in the men's Dome together. 
  After 1975 some more TM teachers and then TM governors were trained up in 
years following. With 'citizens' added, something like 29000 people learned the 
TM-sidhis in North America.
  
  Now the Dome program gets 200 plus men to the Dome group meditation and some 
smallish number of women are over meditating in their location. 
  People moved here to Fairfield to be a part of something large when the group 
meditation had two thousand or more attending.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 How could it have got to be so bad with the numbers in the Fairfield Dome 
meditations?
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 'Collective meditation' was a major major tenet of Maharishi's all along, 
there quite evidently has been a failure of an administration of the 
meditation, a failure that affected people's feelings about coming out for the 
communal collective meditation. This is going to take a change in leadership 
culture to re-group the collapse of the Dome group TM meditation program.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 MMY: "This is what happens in the Golden Domes,
 a wave of infinity spreads from one end of the Dome to the other end. But the 
wave is not constrained by the walls. It permeates the whole collective 
conscious ~the whole field of unmanifest infinity. This is what you are here 
for. And as the group gets larger and larger, your experience will become more 
profound." -July 2006, MMY inaugurating the Invincible America Assembly
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 The movement’s administrative guidelines for the group meditation should be 
such that all of the guidelines can be put on to a web page, publicly for 
anyone to read.  If that can’t be done then there is something wrong with the 
guidelines or the persons holding them.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 The guidelines for the Dome meditation could be much streamlined down to what 
it essentially takes to administrate a course.  It is fair that there be 
guidelines for the running of any organization, meeting or course.  But these 
go beyond practicality. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 The movement’s guidelines as they exist essentially are tools of retribution 
that for decades have driven a whole movement of meditators away.  
 

 It will take some large leadership to change that.  Their problem now is that 
this has gone on so long and the hurt enough that people have gone on, don’t 
care, and will not come back. It would take a large mediation to turn this 
around and have meditators come back to the Domes.  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 A large barrier to world peace here is the administrative guidelines 
themselves that are employed to interrogate and discipline old TM teachers as a 
gatekeeping to the group meditation. There is a judgement and retributive edge 
in there, a vindictiveness held in the guidelines that is of a stiffness in the 
business of the minds of some people in charge of the movement that has long 
thwarted the group meditation.  It is a cultural problem deep inside TM.  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 At the level of the practitioner it can all feel too much like going in to an 
interview with a McCarthy committee or the old East German police as someone 
starts an application for a Dome meditation badge.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 That is funny. Taping Rick's thesis to the doors?   In these times it would be 
scotch taping a thesis to the glass Dome doors or pinning them
 on the walls nearby the doors where people read 
 announcements as they come and go in to the Domes.
 

 " ..the historicity of the hammer blows of Wittenberg. In fact, the door of 
the Castle Church did serve as the official university bulletin board and was 
regularly used for exactly the kind of announcement Luther made when he called 
for a public disputation on indulgences.   But whether the event happened at 
two o'clock in the afternoon--or at all--is not the point. Copies of Luther's 
theses were soon distributed by humanist scholars all over Europe. Within just 
a few weeks, an obscure Augustinian monk in a backwater university town had 
become a household name and was the subject of chatter from Lisbon to 
Lithuania."
  

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Someone could nail Rick's old message to the University door.:-) 

 Reformation Day: Did Martin Luther really nail 95 theses on the castle door? 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators Should Come (back) to the Domes the next 4-5 weeks ~ Important time for coherence in consciousness

2016-04-05 Thread dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
How could it have got to be so bad with the numbers in the Fairfield Dome 
meditations?
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 'Collective meditation' was a major major tenet of Maharishi's all along, 
there quite evidently has been a failure of an administration of the 
meditation, a failure that affected people's feelings about coming out for the 
communal collective meditation. This is going to take a change in leadership 
culture to re-group the collapse of the Dome group TM meditation program.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 MMY: "This is what happens in the Golden Domes,
 a wave of infinity spreads from one end of the Dome to the other end. But the 
wave is not constrained by the walls. It permeates the whole collective 
conscious ~the whole field of unmanifest infinity. This is what you are here 
for. And as the group gets larger and larger, your experience will become more 
profound." -July 2006, MMY inaugurating the Invincible America Assembly
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 The movement’s administrative guidelines for the group meditation should be 
such that all of the guidelines can be put on to a web page, publicly for 
anyone to read.  If that can’t be done then there is something wrong with the 
guidelines or the persons holding them.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 The guidelines for the Dome meditation could be much streamlined down to what 
it essentially takes to administrate a course.  It is fair that there be 
guidelines for the running of any organization, meeting or course.  But these 
go beyond practicality. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 The movement’s guidelines as they exist essentially are tools of retribution 
that for decades have driven a whole movement of meditators away.  
 

 It will take some large leadership to change that.  Their problem now is that 
this has gone on so long and the hurt enough that people have gone on, don’t 
care, and will not come back. It would take a large mediation to turn this 
around and have meditators come back to the Domes.  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 A large barrier to world peace here is the administrative guidelines 
themselves that are employed to interrogate and discipline old TM teachers as a 
gatekeeping to the group meditation. There is a judgement and retributive edge 
in there, a vindictiveness held in the guidelines that is of a stiffness in the 
business of the minds of some people in charge of the movement that has long 
thwarted the group meditation.  It is a cultural problem deep inside TM.  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 At the level of the practitioner it can all feel too much like going in to an 
interview with a McCarthy committee or the old East German police as someone 
starts an application for a Dome meditation badge.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 That is funny. Taping Rick's thesis to the doors?   In these times it would be 
scotch taping a thesis to the glass Dome doors or pinning them
 on the walls nearby the doors where people read 
 announcements as they come and go in to the Domes.
 

 " ..the historicity of the hammer blows of Wittenberg. In fact, the door of 
the Castle Church did serve as the official university bulletin board and was 
regularly used for exactly the kind of announcement Luther made when he called 
for a public disputation on indulgences.   But whether the event happened at 
two o'clock in the afternoon--or at all--is not the point. Copies of Luther's 
theses were soon distributed by humanist scholars all over Europe. Within just 
a few weeks, an obscure Augustinian monk in a backwater university town had 
become a household name and was the subject of chatter from Lisbon to 
Lithuania."
  

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Someone could nail Rick's old message to the University door.:-) 

 Reformation Day: Did Martin Luther really nail 95 theses on the castle door? 
http://www.al.com/living/index.ssf/2014/10/reformation_day_did_martin_lut.html 
 
 http://www.al.com/living/index.ssf/2014/10/reformation_day_did_martin_lut.html
 
 Reformation Day: Did Martin Luther really nail 95 theses... 
http://www.al.com/living/index.ssf/2014/10/reformation_day_did_martin_lut.html 
Millions of Christians still celebrate Oct. 31 as the symbolic beginning of the 
Protestant Reformation.


 
 View on www.al.com 
http://www.al.com/living/index.ssf/2014/10/reformation_day_did_martin_lut.html
 Preview by Yahoo 
 


 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Are the three Drs. at the top of TM 15 years too late?  
 

 

 15 years ago as FairfieldLife at Yahoo-groups was born as a sounding 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators Should Come (back) to the Domes the next 4-5 weeks ~ Important time for coherence in consciousness

2016-03-26 Thread dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
'Collective meditation' was a major major tenet of Maharishi's all along, there 
quite evidently has been a failure of an administration of the meditation, a 
failure that affected people's feelings about coming out for the communal 
collective meditation. This is going to take a change in leadership culture to 
re-group the collapse of the Dome group TM meditation program.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 MMY: "This is what happens in the Golden Domes,
 a wave of infinity spreads from one end of the Dome to the other end. But the 
wave is not constrained by the walls. It permeates the whole collective 
conscious ~the whole field of unmanifest infinity. This is what you are here 
for. And as the group gets larger and larger, your experience will become more 
profound." -July 2006, MMY inaugurating the Invincible America Assembly
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 The movement’s administrative guidelines for the group meditation should be 
such that all of the guidelines can be put on to a web page, publicly for 
anyone to read.  If that can’t be done then there is something wrong with the 
guidelines or the persons holding them.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 The guidelines for the Dome meditation could be much streamlined down to what 
it essentially takes to administrate a course.  It is fair that there be 
guidelines for the running of any organization, meeting or course.  But these 
go beyond practicality. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 The movement’s guidelines as they exist essentially are tools of retribution 
that for decades have driven a whole movement of meditators away.  
 

 It will take some large leadership to change that.  Their problem now is that 
this has gone on so long and the hurt enough that people have gone on, don’t 
care, and will not come back. It would take a large mediation to turn this 
around and have meditators come back to the Domes.  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 A large barrier to world peace here is the administrative guidelines 
themselves that are employed to interrogate and discipline old TM teachers as a 
gatekeeping to the group meditation. There is a judgement and retributive edge 
in there, a vindictiveness held in the guidelines that is of a stiffness in the 
business of the minds of some people in charge of the movement that has long 
thwarted the group meditation.  It is a cultural problem deep inside TM.  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 At the level of the practitioner it can all feel too much like going in to an 
interview with a McCarthy committee or the old East German police as someone 
starts an application for a Dome meditation badge.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 That is funny. Taping Rick's thesis to the doors?   In these times it would be 
scotch taping a thesis to the glass Dome doors or pinning them
 on the walls nearby the doors where people read 
 announcements as they come and go in to the Domes.
 

 " ..the historicity of the hammer blows of Wittenberg. In fact, the door of 
the Castle Church did serve as the official university bulletin board and was 
regularly used for exactly the kind of announcement Luther made when he called 
for a public disputation on indulgences.   But whether the event happened at 
two o'clock in the afternoon--or at all--is not the point. Copies of Luther's 
theses were soon distributed by humanist scholars all over Europe. Within just 
a few weeks, an obscure Augustinian monk in a backwater university town had 
become a household name and was the subject of chatter from Lisbon to 
Lithuania."
  

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Someone could nail Rick's old message to the University door.:-) 

 Reformation Day: Did Martin Luther really nail 95 theses on the castle door? 
http://www.al.com/living/index.ssf/2014/10/reformation_day_did_martin_lut.html 
 
 http://www.al.com/living/index.ssf/2014/10/reformation_day_did_martin_lut.html
 
 Reformation Day: Did Martin Luther really nail 95 theses... 
http://www.al.com/living/index.ssf/2014/10/reformation_day_did_martin_lut.html 
Millions of Christians still celebrate Oct. 31 as the symbolic beginning of the 
Protestant Reformation.


 
 View on www.al.com 
http://www.al.com/living/index.ssf/2014/10/reformation_day_did_martin_lut.html
 Preview by Yahoo 
 


 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Are the three Drs. at the top of TM 15 years too late?  
 

 

 15 years ago as FairfieldLife at Yahoo-groups was born as a sounding board for 
the larger meditating community it was said then:
 

 

 Rick Archer wrote then on Sept 14, 2001:
 

 I’ve love to see a public announcement like the 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators Should Come (back) to the Domes the next 4-5 weeks ~ Important time for coherence in consciousness

2016-03-22 Thread dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
MMY: "This is what happens in the Golden Domes,
 a wave of infinity spreads from one end of the Dome to the other end. But the 
wave is not constrained by the walls. It permeates the whole collective 
conscious ~the whole field of unmanifest infinity. This is what you are here 
for. And as the group gets larger and larger, your experience will become more 
profound." -July 2006, MMY inaugurating the Invincible America Assembly
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 The movement’s administrative guidelines for the group meditation should be 
such that all of the guidelines can be put on to a web page, publicly for 
anyone to read.  If that can’t be done then there is something wrong with the 
guidelines or the persons holding them.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 The guidelines for the Dome meditation could be much streamlined down to what 
it essentially takes to administrate a course.  It is fair that there be 
guidelines for the running of any organization, meeting or course.  But these 
go beyond practicality. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 The movement’s guidelines as they exist essentially are tools of retribution 
that for decades have driven a whole movement of meditators away.  
 

 It will take some large leadership to change that.  Their problem now is that 
this has gone on so long and the hurt enough that people have gone on, don’t 
care, and will not come back. It would take a large mediation to turn this 
around and have meditators come back to the Domes.  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 A large barrier to world peace here is the administrative guidelines 
themselves that are employed to interrogate and discipline old TM teachers as a 
gatekeeping to the group meditation. There is a judgement and retributive edge 
in there, a vindictiveness held in the guidelines that is of a stiffness in the 
business of the minds of some people in charge of the movement that has long 
thwarted the group meditation.  It is a cultural problem deep inside TM.  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 At the level of the practitioner it can all feel too much like going in to an 
interview with a McCarthy committee or the old East German police as someone 
starts an application for a Dome meditation badge.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 That is funny. Taping Rick's thesis to the doors?   In these times it would be 
scotch taping a thesis to the glass Dome doors or pinning them
 on the walls nearby the doors where people read 
 announcements as they come and go in to the Domes.
 

 " ..the historicity of the hammer blows of Wittenberg. In fact, the door of 
the Castle Church did serve as the official university bulletin board and was 
regularly used for exactly the kind of announcement Luther made when he called 
for a public disputation on indulgences.   But whether the event happened at 
two o'clock in the afternoon--or at all--is not the point. Copies of Luther's 
theses were soon distributed by humanist scholars all over Europe. Within just 
a few weeks, an obscure Augustinian monk in a backwater university town had 
become a household name and was the subject of chatter from Lisbon to 
Lithuania."
  

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Someone could nail Rick's old message to the University door.:-) 

 Reformation Day: Did Martin Luther really nail 95 theses on the castle door? 
http://www.al.com/living/index.ssf/2014/10/reformation_day_did_martin_lut.html 
 
 http://www.al.com/living/index.ssf/2014/10/reformation_day_did_martin_lut.html
 
 Reformation Day: Did Martin Luther really nail 95 theses... 
http://www.al.com/living/index.ssf/2014/10/reformation_day_did_martin_lut.html 
Millions of Christians still celebrate Oct. 31 as the symbolic beginning of the 
Protestant Reformation.


 
 View on www.al.com 
http://www.al.com/living/index.ssf/2014/10/reformation_day_did_martin_lut.html
 Preview by Yahoo 
 


 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Are the three Drs. at the top of TM 15 years too late?  
 

 

 15 years ago as FairfieldLife at Yahoo-groups was born as a sounding board for 
the larger meditating community it was said then:
 

 

 Rick Archer wrote then on Sept 14, 2001:
 

 I’ve love to see a public announcement like the following from the Department 
of the Development of Consciousness (the people who give out the badges):
 

 Dear Fairfield Sidhas and Governors,
 

 First, we would like to publicly apologize for ever having excluded from the 
domes anyone who wanted to practice Maharishi’s program there. We would like to 
welcome everyone back on the condition that if you are in the dome, you promise 
to practice what you have learned from Maharishi – no more, no less. 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators Should Come (back) to the Domes the next 4-5 weeks ~ Important time for coherence in consciousness

2016-03-13 Thread dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
The movement’s administrative guidelines for the group meditation should be 
such that all of the guidelines can be put on to a web page, publicly for 
anyone to read.  If that can’t be done then there is something wrong with the 
guidelines or the persons holding them.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 The guidelines for the Dome meditation could be much streamlined down to what 
it essentially takes to administrate a course.  It is fair that there be 
guidelines for the running of any organization, meeting or course.  But these 
go beyond practicality. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 The movement’s guidelines as they exist essentially are tools of retribution 
that for decades have driven a whole movement of meditators away.  
 

 It will take some large leadership to change that.  Their problem now is that 
this has gone on so long and the hurt enough that people have gone on, don’t 
care, and will not come back. It would take a large mediation to turn this 
around and have meditators come back to the Domes.  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 A large barrier to world peace here is the administrative guidelines 
themselves that are employed to interrogate and discipline old TM teachers as a 
gatekeeping to the group meditation. There is a judgement and retributive edge 
in there, a vindictiveness held in the guidelines that is of a stiffness in the 
business of the minds of some people in charge of the movement that has long 
thwarted the group meditation.  It is a cultural problem deep inside TM.  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 At the level of the practitioner it can all feel too much like going in to an 
interview with a McCarthy committee or the old East German police as someone 
starts an application for a Dome meditation badge.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 That is funny. Taping Rick's thesis to the doors?   In these times it would be 
scotch taping a thesis to the glass Dome doors or pinning them
 on the walls nearby the doors where people read 
 announcements as they come and go in to the Domes.
 

 " ..the historicity of the hammer blows of Wittenberg. In fact, the door of 
the Castle Church did serve as the official university bulletin board and was 
regularly used for exactly the kind of announcement Luther made when he called 
for a public disputation on indulgences.   But whether the event happened at 
two o'clock in the afternoon--or at all--is not the point. Copies of Luther's 
theses were soon distributed by humanist scholars all over Europe. Within just 
a few weeks, an obscure Augustinian monk in a backwater university town had 
become a household name and was the subject of chatter from Lisbon to 
Lithuania."
  

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Someone could nail Rick's old message to the University door.:-) 

 Reformation Day: Did Martin Luther really nail 95 theses on the castle door? 
http://www.al.com/living/index.ssf/2014/10/reformation_day_did_martin_lut.html 
 
 http://www.al.com/living/index.ssf/2014/10/reformation_day_did_martin_lut.html
 
 Reformation Day: Did Martin Luther really nail 95 theses... 
http://www.al.com/living/index.ssf/2014/10/reformation_day_did_martin_lut.html 
Millions of Christians still celebrate Oct. 31 as the symbolic beginning of the 
Protestant Reformation.


 
 View on www.al.com 
http://www.al.com/living/index.ssf/2014/10/reformation_day_did_martin_lut.html
 Preview by Yahoo 
 


 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Are the three Drs. at the top of TM 15 years too late?  
 

 

 15 years ago as FairfieldLife at Yahoo-groups was born as a sounding board for 
the larger meditating community it was said then:
 

 

 Rick Archer wrote then on Sept 14, 2001:
 

 I’ve love to see a public announcement like the following from the Department 
of the Development of Consciousness (the people who give out the badges):
 

 Dear Fairfield Sidhas and Governors,
 

 First, we would like to publicly apologize for ever having excluded from the 
domes anyone who wanted to practice Maharishi’s program there. We would like to 
welcome everyone back on the condition that if you are in the dome, you promise 
to practice what you have learned from Maharishi – no more, no less. In turn, 
we promise to never again judge or exclude anyone for what they may choose to 
do with their private life. We possess neither the wisdom nor the right to do 
this. Let us all come together again in a spirit of love and acceptance, and 
begin once more to radiate the harmony and coherence for which the domes were 
built.
 

 Jai Guru Dev,
 

 The Department of the Development of Consciousness
 

 

 

 .numbers flying in the domes would double overnight.
 

 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators Should Come (back) to the Domes the next 4-5 weeks ~ Important time for coherence in consciousness

2016-03-10 Thread dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
The guidelines for the Dome meditation could be much streamlined down to what 
it essentially takes to administrate a course.  It is fair that there be 
guidelines for the running of any organization, meeting or course.  But these 
go beyond practicality. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 The movement’s guidelines as they exist essentially are tools of retribution 
that for decades have driven a whole movement of meditators away.  
 

 It will take some large leadership to change that.  Their problem now is that 
this has gone on so long and the hurt enough that people have gone on, don’t 
care, and will not come back. It would take a large mediation to turn this 
around and have meditators come back to the Domes.  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 A large barrier to world peace here is the administrative guidelines 
themselves that are employed to interrogate and discipline old TM teachers as a 
gatekeeping to the group meditation. There is a judgement and retributive edge 
in there, a vindictiveness held in the guidelines that is of a stiffness in the 
business of the minds of some people in charge of the movement that has long 
thwarted the group meditation.  It is a cultural problem deep inside TM.  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 At the level of the practitioner it can all feel too much like going in to an 
interview with a McCarthy committee or the old East German police as someone 
starts an application for a Dome meditation badge.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 That is funny. Taping Rick's thesis to the doors?   In these times it would be 
scotch taping a thesis to the glass Dome doors or pinning them
 on the walls nearby the doors where people read 
 announcements as they come and go in to the Domes.
 

 " ..the historicity of the hammer blows of Wittenberg. In fact, the door of 
the Castle Church did serve as the official university bulletin board and was 
regularly used for exactly the kind of announcement Luther made when he called 
for a public disputation on indulgences.   But whether the event happened at 
two o'clock in the afternoon--or at all--is not the point. Copies of Luther's 
theses were soon distributed by humanist scholars all over Europe. Within just 
a few weeks, an obscure Augustinian monk in a backwater university town had 
become a household name and was the subject of chatter from Lisbon to 
Lithuania."
  

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Someone could nail Rick's old message to the University door.:-) 

 Reformation Day: Did Martin Luther really nail 95 theses on the castle door? 
http://www.al.com/living/index.ssf/2014/10/reformation_day_did_martin_lut.html 
 
 http://www.al.com/living/index.ssf/2014/10/reformation_day_did_martin_lut.html
 
 Reformation Day: Did Martin Luther really nail 95 theses... 
http://www.al.com/living/index.ssf/2014/10/reformation_day_did_martin_lut.html 
Millions of Christians still celebrate Oct. 31 as the symbolic beginning of the 
Protestant Reformation.


 
 View on www.al.com 
http://www.al.com/living/index.ssf/2014/10/reformation_day_did_martin_lut.html
 Preview by Yahoo 
 


 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Are the three Drs. at the top of TM 15 years too late?  
 

 

 15 years ago as FairfieldLife at Yahoo-groups was born as a sounding board for 
the larger meditating community it was said then:
 

 

 Rick Archer wrote then on Sept 14, 2001:
 

 I’ve love to see a public announcement like the following from the Department 
of the Development of Consciousness (the people who give out the badges):
 

 Dear Fairfield Sidhas and Governors,
 

 First, we would like to publicly apologize for ever having excluded from the 
domes anyone who wanted to practice Maharishi’s program there. We would like to 
welcome everyone back on the condition that if you are in the dome, you promise 
to practice what you have learned from Maharishi – no more, no less. In turn, 
we promise to never again judge or exclude anyone for what they may choose to 
do with their private life. We possess neither the wisdom nor the right to do 
this. Let us all come together again in a spirit of love and acceptance, and 
begin once more to radiate the harmony and coherence for which the domes were 
built.
 

 Jai Guru Dev,
 

 The Department of the Development of Consciousness
 

 

 

 .numbers flying in the domes would double overnight.
 

 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/7 
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/7
 

 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 It is really a large stain on the community how the admin have let it go and 
alienated so many meditators from the official movement and meditation.  
 

 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators Should Come (back) to the Domes the next 4-5 weeks ~ Important time for coherence in consciousness

2016-03-09 Thread Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
I wonder if Maharishi foresaw this happening.  Sure seems like it to me. Even 
created someone not touched by it. Shri Shri Ravi Shankar.


  From: "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, March 9, 2016 7:20 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators Should Come (back) to the Domes the 
next 4-5 weeks ~ Important time for coherence in consciousness
   
    The movement’s guidelines as they exist essentially are tools of 
retribution that for decades have driven a whole movement of meditators away.  
It will take some large leadership to change that.  Their problem now is that 
this has gone on so long and the hurt enough that people have gone on, don’t 
care, and will not come back. It would take a large mediation to turn this 
around and have meditators come back to the Domes.  

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony...@yahoo.com> wrote :

A large barrier to world peace here is the administrative guidelines themselves 
that are employed to interrogate and discipline old TM teachers as a 
gatekeeping to the group meditation. There is a judgement and retributive edge 
in there, a vindictiveness held in the guidelines that is of a stiffness in the 
business of the minds of some people in charge of the movement that has long 
thwarted the group meditation.  It is a cultural problem deep inside TM.  

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony...@yahoo.com> wrote :

At the level of the practitioner it can all feel too much like going in to an 
interview with a McCarthy committee or the old East German police as someone 
starts an application for a Dome meditation badge.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony...@yahoo.com> wrote :

That is funny.Taping Rick's thesis to the doors?  In these times it would be 
scotch tapinga thesis to the glass Dome doors or pinning themon the walls 
nearby the doors where people read announcements as they come and go in to the 
Domes.
" ..the historicity of the hammer blows of Wittenberg. In fact, the door of the 
Castle Church did serve as the official university bulletin board and was 
regularly used for exactly the kind of announcement Luther made when he called 
for a public disputation on indulgences.   But whether the event happened at 
two o'clock in the afternoon--or at all--is not the point. Copies of Luther's 
theses were soon distributed by humanist scholars all over Europe. Within just 
a few weeks, an obscure Augustinian monk in a backwater university town had 
become a household name and was the subject of chatter from Lisbon to 
Lithuania." 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <olliesed...@yahoo.com> wrote :

Someone could nail Rick's old message to the University door.:-)
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :

Are the three Drs. at the top of TM 15 years too late?  

15 years ago as FairfieldLife at Yahoo-groups was born as a sounding board for 
the larger meditating community it was said then:

Rick Archer wrote then on Sept 14, 2001:
I’ve love to see a public announcement like the following from the Department 
of the Development of Consciousness (the people who give out the badges):
Dear Fairfield Sidhas and Governors,
First, we would like to publicly apologize for ever having excluded from the 
domes anyone who wanted to practice Maharishi’s program there. We would like to 
welcome everyone back on the condition that if you are in the dome, you promise 
to practice what you have learned from Maharishi – no more, no less. In turn, 
we promise to never again judge or exclude anyone for what they may choose to 
do with their private life. We possess neither the wisdom nor the right to do 
this. Let us all come together again in a spirit of love and acceptance, and 
begin once more to radiate the harmony and coherence for which the domes were 
built.
Jai Guru Dev,
The Department of the Development of Consciousness


.numbers flying in the domes would double overnight.
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/7



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :

It is really a large stain on the community how the admin have let it go and 
alienated so many meditators from the official movement and meditation.  


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :

A lot of meditators can’t or won’t go to the Domes now.   There is quite a lot 
of communal hurt here around going to the Domes.  A lot of time [years] has 
flowed under the bridge, ove

[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators Should Come (back) to the Domes the next 4-5 weeks ~ Important time for coherence in consciousness

2016-03-09 Thread dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
The movement’s guidelines as they exist essentially are tools of retribution 
that for decades have driven a whole movement of meditators away.  
 

 It will take some large leadership to change that.  Their problem now is that 
this has gone on so long and the hurt enough that people have gone on, don’t 
care, and will not come back. It would take a large mediation to turn this 
around and have meditators come back to the Domes.  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 A large barrier to world peace here is the administrative guidelines 
themselves that are employed to interrogate and discipline old TM teachers as a 
gatekeeping to the group meditation. There is a judgement and retributive edge 
in there, a vindictiveness held in the guidelines that is of a stiffness in the 
business of the minds of some people in charge of the movement that has long 
thwarted the group meditation.  It is a cultural problem deep inside TM.  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 At the level of the practitioner it can all feel too much like going in to an 
interview with a McCarthy committee or the old East German police as someone 
starts an application for a Dome meditation badge.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 That is funny. Taping Rick's thesis to the doors?   In these times it would be 
scotch taping a thesis to the glass Dome doors or pinning them
 on the walls nearby the doors where people read 
 announcements as they come and go in to the Domes.
 

 " ..the historicity of the hammer blows of Wittenberg. In fact, the door of 
the Castle Church did serve as the official university bulletin board and was 
regularly used for exactly the kind of announcement Luther made when he called 
for a public disputation on indulgences.   But whether the event happened at 
two o'clock in the afternoon--or at all--is not the point. Copies of Luther's 
theses were soon distributed by humanist scholars all over Europe. Within just 
a few weeks, an obscure Augustinian monk in a backwater university town had 
become a household name and was the subject of chatter from Lisbon to 
Lithuania."
  

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Someone could nail Rick's old message to the University door.:-) 

 Reformation Day: Did Martin Luther really nail 95 theses on the castle door? 
http://www.al.com/living/index.ssf/2014/10/reformation_day_did_martin_lut.html 
 
 http://www.al.com/living/index.ssf/2014/10/reformation_day_did_martin_lut.html
 
 Reformation Day: Did Martin Luther really nail 95 theses... 
http://www.al.com/living/index.ssf/2014/10/reformation_day_did_martin_lut.html 
Millions of Christians still celebrate Oct. 31 as the symbolic beginning of the 
Protestant Reformation.


 
 View on www.al.com 
http://www.al.com/living/index.ssf/2014/10/reformation_day_did_martin_lut.html
 Preview by Yahoo 
 


 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Are the three Drs. at the top of TM 15 years too late?  
 

 

 15 years ago as FairfieldLife at Yahoo-groups was born as a sounding board for 
the larger meditating community it was said then:
 

 

 Rick Archer wrote then on Sept 14, 2001:
 

 I’ve love to see a public announcement like the following from the Department 
of the Development of Consciousness (the people who give out the badges):
 

 Dear Fairfield Sidhas and Governors,
 

 First, we would like to publicly apologize for ever having excluded from the 
domes anyone who wanted to practice Maharishi’s program there. We would like to 
welcome everyone back on the condition that if you are in the dome, you promise 
to practice what you have learned from Maharishi – no more, no less. In turn, 
we promise to never again judge or exclude anyone for what they may choose to 
do with their private life. We possess neither the wisdom nor the right to do 
this. Let us all come together again in a spirit of love and acceptance, and 
begin once more to radiate the harmony and coherence for which the domes were 
built.
 

 Jai Guru Dev,
 

 The Department of the Development of Consciousness
 

 

 

 .numbers flying in the domes would double overnight.
 

 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/7 
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/7
 

 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 It is really a large stain on the community how the admin have let it go and 
alienated so many meditators from the official movement and meditation.  
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 A lot of meditators can’t or won’t go to the Domes now.   There is quite a lot 
of communal hurt here around going to the Domes.  A lot of time [years] has 
flowed under the bridge, over the dam and down stream with all this.  The three 
Drs. at the top of the 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators Should Come (back) to the Domes the next 4-5 weeks ~ Important time for coherence in consciousness

2016-03-06 Thread dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
A large barrier to world peace here is the administrative guidelines themselves 
that are employed to interrogate and discipline old TM teachers as a 
gatekeeping to the group meditation. There is a judgement and retributive edge 
in there, a vindictiveness held in the guidelines that is of a stiffness in the 
business of the minds of some people in charge of the movement that has long 
thwarted the group meditation.  It is a cultural problem deep inside TM.  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 At the level of the practitioner it can all feel too much like going in to an 
interview with a McCarthy committee or the old East German police as someone 
starts an application for a Dome meditation badge.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 That is funny. Taping Rick's thesis to the doors?   In these times it would be 
scotch taping a thesis to the glass Dome doors or pinning them
 on the walls nearby the doors where people read 
 announcements as they come and go in to the Domes.
 

 " ..the historicity of the hammer blows of Wittenberg. In fact, the door of 
the Castle Church did serve as the official university bulletin board and was 
regularly used for exactly the kind of announcement Luther made when he called 
for a public disputation on indulgences.   But whether the event happened at 
two o'clock in the afternoon--or at all--is not the point. Copies of Luther's 
theses were soon distributed by humanist scholars all over Europe. Within just 
a few weeks, an obscure Augustinian monk in a backwater university town had 
become a household name and was the subject of chatter from Lisbon to 
Lithuania."
  

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Someone could nail Rick's old message to the University door.:-) 

 Reformation Day: Did Martin Luther really nail 95 theses on the castle door? 
http://www.al.com/living/index.ssf/2014/10/reformation_day_did_martin_lut.html 
 
 http://www.al.com/living/index.ssf/2014/10/reformation_day_did_martin_lut.html
 
 Reformation Day: Did Martin Luther really nail 95 theses... 
http://www.al.com/living/index.ssf/2014/10/reformation_day_did_martin_lut.html 
Millions of Christians still celebrate Oct. 31 as the symbolic beginning of the 
Protestant Reformation.


 
 View on www.al.com 
http://www.al.com/living/index.ssf/2014/10/reformation_day_did_martin_lut.html
 Preview by Yahoo 
 


 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Are the three Drs. at the top of TM 15 years too late?  
 

 

 15 years ago as FairfieldLife at Yahoo-groups was born as a sounding board for 
the larger meditating community it was said then:
 

 

 Rick Archer wrote then on Sept 14, 2001:
 

 I’ve love to see a public announcement like the following from the Department 
of the Development of Consciousness (the people who give out the badges):
 

 Dear Fairfield Sidhas and Governors,
 

 First, we would like to publicly apologize for ever having excluded from the 
domes anyone who wanted to practice Maharishi’s program there. We would like to 
welcome everyone back on the condition that if you are in the dome, you promise 
to practice what you have learned from Maharishi – no more, no less. In turn, 
we promise to never again judge or exclude anyone for what they may choose to 
do with their private life. We possess neither the wisdom nor the right to do 
this. Let us all come together again in a spirit of love and acceptance, and 
begin once more to radiate the harmony and coherence for which the domes were 
built.
 

 Jai Guru Dev,
 

 The Department of the Development of Consciousness
 

 

 

 .numbers flying in the domes would double overnight.
 

 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/7 
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/7
 

 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 It is really a large stain on the community how the admin have let it go and 
alienated so many meditators from the official movement and meditation.  
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 A lot of meditators can’t or won’t go to the Domes now.   There is quite a lot 
of communal hurt here around going to the Domes.  A lot of time [years] has 
flowed under the bridge, over the dam and down stream with all this.  The three 
Drs. at the top of the organization are going to have to get their collective 
heads together and change the guidelines they have been enforcing on the 
community and come up with some thing much more encompassing to remediate the 
situation they have caused with the community Dome meditation. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 The whole community has story of knowing someone who was poorly handled or 
judged.  The interview that starts, “We have some questions we want to ask 
you?”  “..Are you 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators Should Come (back) to the Domes the next 4-5 weeks ~ Important time for coherence in consciousness

2016-03-06 Thread dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
A large barrier to world peace here is the administrative guidelines themselves 
that are employed to interrogate and discipline old TM teachers as a 
gatekeeping to the group meditation. There is a judgement and retributive edge 
in there, a vindictiveness held in the guidelines that is of a stiffness in the 
business of the minds of some people in charge of the movement that has long 
thwarted the group meditation.  It is a cultural problem deep inside TM.  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 At the level of the practitioner it can all feel too much like going in to an 
interview with a McCarthy committee or the old East German police as someone 
starts an application for a Dome meditation badge.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 That is funny. Taping Rick's thesis to the doors?   In these times it would be 
scotch taping a thesis to the glass Dome doors or pinning them
 on the walls nearby the doors where people read 
 announcements as they come and go in to the Domes.
 

 " ..the historicity of the hammer blows of Wittenberg. In fact, the door of 
the Castle Church did serve as the official university bulletin board and was 
regularly used for exactly the kind of announcement Luther made when he called 
for a public disputation on indulgences.   But whether the event happened at 
two o'clock in the afternoon--or at all--is not the point. Copies of Luther's 
theses were soon distributed by humanist scholars all over Europe. Within just 
a few weeks, an obscure Augustinian monk in a backwater university town had 
become a household name and was the subject of chatter from Lisbon to 
Lithuania."
  

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Someone could nail Rick's old message to the University door.:-) 

 Reformation Day: Did Martin Luther really nail 95 theses on the castle door? 
http://www.al.com/living/index.ssf/2014/10/reformation_day_did_martin_lut.html 
 
 http://www.al.com/living/index.ssf/2014/10/reformation_day_did_martin_lut.html
 
 Reformation Day: Did Martin Luther really nail 95 theses... 
http://www.al.com/living/index.ssf/2014/10/reformation_day_did_martin_lut.html 
Millions of Christians still celebrate Oct. 31 as the symbolic beginning of the 
Protestant Reformation.


 
 View on www.al.com 
http://www.al.com/living/index.ssf/2014/10/reformation_day_did_martin_lut.html
 Preview by Yahoo 
 


 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Are the three Drs. at the top of TM 15 years too late?  
 

 

 15 years ago as FairfieldLife at Yahoo-groups was born as a sounding board for 
the larger meditating community it was said then:
 

 

 Rick Archer wrote then on Sept 14, 2001:
 

 I’ve love to see a public announcement like the following from the Department 
of the Development of Consciousness (the people who give out the badges):
 

 Dear Fairfield Sidhas and Governors,
 

 First, we would like to publicly apologize for ever having excluded from the 
domes anyone who wanted to practice Maharishi’s program there. We would like to 
welcome everyone back on the condition that if you are in the dome, you promise 
to practice what you have learned from Maharishi – no more, no less. In turn, 
we promise to never again judge or exclude anyone for what they may choose to 
do with their private life. We possess neither the wisdom nor the right to do 
this. Let us all come together again in a spirit of love and acceptance, and 
begin once more to radiate the harmony and coherence for which the domes were 
built.
 

 Jai Guru Dev,
 

 The Department of the Development of Consciousness
 

 

 

 .numbers flying in the domes would double overnight.
 

 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/7 
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/7
 

 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 It is really a large stain on the community how the admin have let it go and 
alienated so many meditators from the official movement and meditation.  
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 A lot of meditators can’t or won’t go to the Domes now.   There is quite a lot 
of communal hurt here around going to the Domes.  A lot of time [years] has 
flowed under the bridge, over the dam and down stream with all this.  The three 
Drs. at the top of the organization are going to have to get their collective 
heads together and change the guidelines they have been enforcing on the 
community and come up with some thing much more encompassing to remediate the 
situation they have caused with the community Dome meditation. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 The whole community has story of knowing someone who was poorly handled or 
judged.  The interview that starts, “We have some questions we want to ask 
you?”  “..Are you 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators Should Come (back) to the Domes the next 4-5 weeks ~ Important time for coherence in consciousness

2016-03-03 Thread dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
At the level of the practitioner it can all feel too much like going in to an 
interview with a McCarthy committee or the old East German police as someone 
starts an application for a Dome meditation badge.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 That is funny. Taping Rick's thesis to the doors?   In these times it would be 
scotch taping a thesis to the glass Dome doors or pinning them
 on the walls nearby the doors where people read 
 announcements as they come and go in to the Domes.
 

 " ..the historicity of the hammer blows of Wittenberg. In fact, the door of 
the Castle Church did serve as the official university bulletin board and was 
regularly used for exactly the kind of announcement Luther made when he called 
for a public disputation on indulgences.   But whether the event happened at 
two o'clock in the afternoon--or at all--is not the point. Copies of Luther's 
theses were soon distributed by humanist scholars all over Europe. Within just 
a few weeks, an obscure Augustinian monk in a backwater university town had 
become a household name and was the subject of chatter from Lisbon to 
Lithuania."
  

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Someone could nail Rick's old message to the University door.:-) 

 Reformation Day: Did Martin Luther really nail 95 theses on the castle door? 
http://www.al.com/living/index.ssf/2014/10/reformation_day_did_martin_lut.html 
 
 http://www.al.com/living/index.ssf/2014/10/reformation_day_did_martin_lut.html
 
 Reformation Day: Did Martin Luther really nail 95 theses... 
http://www.al.com/living/index.ssf/2014/10/reformation_day_did_martin_lut.html 
Millions of Christians still celebrate Oct. 31 as the symbolic beginning of the 
Protestant Reformation.


 
 View on www.al.com 
http://www.al.com/living/index.ssf/2014/10/reformation_day_did_martin_lut.html
 Preview by Yahoo 
 


 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Are the three Drs. at the top of TM 15 years too late?  
 

 

 15 years ago as FairfieldLife at Yahoo-groups was born as a sounding board for 
the larger meditating community it was said then:
 

 

 Rick Archer wrote then on Sept 14, 2001:
 

 I’ve love to see a public announcement like the following from the Department 
of the Development of Consciousness (the people who give out the badges):
 

 Dear Fairfield Sidhas and Governors,
 

 First, we would like to publicly apologize for ever having excluded from the 
domes anyone who wanted to practice Maharishi’s program there. We would like to 
welcome everyone back on the condition that if you are in the dome, you promise 
to practice what you have learned from Maharishi – no more, no less. In turn, 
we promise to never again judge or exclude anyone for what they may choose to 
do with their private life. We possess neither the wisdom nor the right to do 
this. Let us all come together again in a spirit of love and acceptance, and 
begin once more to radiate the harmony and coherence for which the domes were 
built.
 

 Jai Guru Dev,
 

 The Department of the Development of Consciousness
 

 

 

 .numbers flying in the domes would double overnight.
 

 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/7 
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/7
 

 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 It is really a large stain on the community how the admin have let it go and 
alienated so many meditators from the official movement and meditation.  
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 A lot of meditators can’t or won’t go to the Domes now.   There is quite a lot 
of communal hurt here around going to the Domes.  A lot of time [years] has 
flowed under the bridge, over the dam and down stream with all this.  The three 
Drs. at the top of the organization are going to have to get their collective 
heads together and change the guidelines they have been enforcing on the 
community and come up with some thing much more encompassing to remediate the 
situation they have caused with the community Dome meditation. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 The whole community has story of knowing someone who was poorly handled or 
judged.  The interview that starts, “We have some questions we want to ask 
you?”  “..Are you now or have you ever been?”  A result is that fear marinates 
the Domes as possibility of personally being found out and found in error of 
the guidelines.  Fear has become the first sutra of the meditating community 
now in the Domes for many who would like to be involved with the group 
meditation.   
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Any recourse for changing the guidelines or their enforcement for any of this 
is obscure at best.  Redress happens at a pay level way above all of ours and 
is hidden 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators Should Come (back) to the Domes the next 4-5 weeks ~ Important time for coherence in consciousness

2016-03-03 Thread dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
That is funny. Taping Rick's thesis to the doors?   In these times it would be 
scotch taping a thesis to the glass Dome doors or pinning them
 on the walls nearby the doors where people read 
 announcements as they come and go in to the Domes.
 

 " ..the historicity of the hammer blows of Wittenberg. In fact, the door of 
the Castle Church did serve as the official university bulletin board and was 
regularly used for exactly the kind of announcement Luther made when he called 
for a public disputation on indulgences.   But whether the event happened at 
two o'clock in the afternoon--or at all--is not the point. Copies of Luther's 
theses were soon distributed by humanist scholars all over Europe. Within just 
a few weeks, an obscure Augustinian monk in a backwater university town had 
become a household name and was the subject of chatter from Lisbon to 
Lithuania."
  

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Someone could nail Rick's old message to the University door.:-) 

 Reformation Day: Did Martin Luther really nail 95 theses on the castle door? 
http://www.al.com/living/index.ssf/2014/10/reformation_day_did_martin_lut.html 
 
 http://www.al.com/living/index.ssf/2014/10/reformation_day_did_martin_lut.html
 
 Reformation Day: Did Martin Luther really nail 95 theses... 
http://www.al.com/living/index.ssf/2014/10/reformation_day_did_martin_lut.html 
Millions of Christians still celebrate Oct. 31 as the symbolic beginning of the 
Protestant Reformation.


 
 View on www.al.com 
http://www.al.com/living/index.ssf/2014/10/reformation_day_did_martin_lut.html
 Preview by Yahoo 
 


 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Are the three Drs. at the top of TM 15 years too late?  
 

 

 15 years ago as FairfieldLife at Yahoo-groups was born as a sounding board for 
the larger meditating community it was said then:
 

 

 Rick Archer wrote then on Sept 14, 2001:
 

 I’ve love to see a public announcement like the following from the Department 
of the Development of Consciousness (the people who give out the badges):
 

 Dear Fairfield Sidhas and Governors,
 

 First, we would like to publicly apologize for ever having excluded from the 
domes anyone who wanted to practice Maharishi’s program there. We would like to 
welcome everyone back on the condition that if you are in the dome, you promise 
to practice what you have learned from Maharishi – no more, no less. In turn, 
we promise to never again judge or exclude anyone for what they may choose to 
do with their private life. We possess neither the wisdom nor the right to do 
this. Let us all come together again in a spirit of love and acceptance, and 
begin once more to radiate the harmony and coherence for which the domes were 
built.
 

 Jai Guru Dev,
 

 The Department of the Development of Consciousness
 

 

 

 .numbers flying in the domes would double overnight.
 

 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/7 
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/7
 

 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 It is really a large stain on the community how the admin have let it go and 
alienated so many meditators from the official movement and meditation.  
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 A lot of meditators can’t or won’t go to the Domes now.   There is quite a lot 
of communal hurt here around going to the Domes.  A lot of time [years] has 
flowed under the bridge, over the dam and down stream with all this.  The three 
Drs. at the top of the organization are going to have to get their collective 
heads together and change the guidelines they have been enforcing on the 
community and come up with some thing much more encompassing to remediate the 
situation they have caused with the community Dome meditation. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 The whole community has story of knowing someone who was poorly handled or 
judged.  The interview that starts, “We have some questions we want to ask 
you?”  “..Are you now or have you ever been?”  A result is that fear marinates 
the Domes as possibility of personally being found out and found in error of 
the guidelines.  Fear has become the first sutra of the meditating community 
now in the Domes for many who would like to be involved with the group 
meditation.   
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Any recourse for changing the guidelines or their enforcement for any of this 
is obscure at best.  Redress happens at a pay level way above all of ours and 
is hidden there.  But pretty clearly all of this rests now with the three Drs., 
Morris, Hagelin, and Nader.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Good observation on how it can go.  
 Yes, there is a working document like this that is logical and based on 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators Should Come (back) to the Domes the next 4-5 weeks ~ Important time for coherence in consciousness

2016-03-02 Thread olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Someone could nail Rick's old message to the University door.:-) 

 Reformation Day: Did Martin Luther really nail 95 theses on the castle door? 
http://www.al.com/living/index.ssf/2014/10/reformation_day_did_martin_lut.html 
 
 http://www.al.com/living/index.ssf/2014/10/reformation_day_did_martin_lut.html 
 
 Reformation Day: Did Martin Luther really nail 95 theses... 
http://www.al.com/living/index.ssf/2014/10/reformation_day_did_martin_lut.html 
Millions of Christians still celebrate Oct. 31 as the symbolic beginning of the 
Protestant Reformation.
 
 
 
 View on www.al.com 
http://www.al.com/living/index.ssf/2014/10/reformation_day_did_martin_lut.html 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 
 

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Are the three Drs. at the top of TM 15 years too late?  
 

 

 15 years ago as FairfieldLife at Yahoo-groups was born as a sounding board for 
the larger meditating community it was said then:
 

 

 Rick Archer wrote then on Sept 14, 2001:
 

 I’ve love to see a public announcement like the following from the Department 
of the Development of Consciousness (the people who give out the badges):
 

 Dear Fairfield Sidhas and Governors,
 

 First, we would like to publicly apologize for ever having excluded from the 
domes anyone who wanted to practice Maharishi’s program there. We would like to 
welcome everyone back on the condition that if you are in the dome, you promise 
to practice what you have learned from Maharishi – no more, no less. In turn, 
we promise to never again judge or exclude anyone for what they may choose to 
do with their private life. We possess neither the wisdom nor the right to do 
this. Let us all come together again in a spirit of love and acceptance, and 
begin once more to radiate the harmony and coherence for which the domes were 
built.
 

 Jai Guru Dev,
 

 The Department of the Development of Consciousness
 

 

 

 .numbers flying in the domes would double overnight.
 

 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/7 
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/7
 

 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 It is really a large stain on the community how the admin have let it go and 
alienated so many meditators from the official movement and meditation.  
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 A lot of meditators can’t or won’t go to the Domes now.   There is quite a lot 
of communal hurt here around going to the Domes.  A lot of time [years] has 
flowed under the bridge, over the dam and down stream with all this.  The three 
Drs. at the top of the organization are going to have to get their collective 
heads together and change the guidelines they have been enforcing on the 
community and come up with some thing much more encompassing to remediate the 
situation they have caused with the community Dome meditation. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 The whole community has story of knowing someone who was poorly handled or 
judged.  The interview that starts, “We have some questions we want to ask 
you?”  “..Are you now or have you ever been?”  A result is that fear marinates 
the Domes as possibility of personally being found out and found in error of 
the guidelines.  Fear has become the first sutra of the meditating community 
now in the Domes for many who would like to be involved with the group 
meditation.   
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Any recourse for changing the guidelines or their enforcement for any of this 
is obscure at best.  Redress happens at a pay level way above all of ours and 
is hidden there.  But pretty clearly all of this rests now with the three Drs., 
Morris, Hagelin, and Nader.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Good observation on how it can go.  
 Yes, there is a working document like this that is logical and based on 
specifics now that is being passed around that has recommendations in it.  It 
is based on metrics and it is a comprehensive way of thinking about a series of 
troubles the University and Movement have.  
 

 The document’s creation as a proposal has spurred sub-groups of trustees and 
groups of faculty and groups of staff to become motivated in drawing up 
specific strategic changes in the University and the larger movement. 
 

 There is a lot in play right now.  Is to be seen if the upper admin of the 
status quo movement (the three Drs.) can themselves lead on this together and 
will facilitate the sea change that is going on underneath or will try to sit 
on it.
 

 olliesedwuz writes:

 

 Is there still the ability to place this back in the realm of logic, where 
those who are creating an obstruction can be presented with a concrete list of 
necessary changes? Apologies if I missed it, but has that been tried? 
 

 
 Assembling a 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators Should Come (back) to the Domes the next 4-5 weeks ~ Important time for coherence in consciousness

2016-03-01 Thread dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Are the three Drs. at the top of TM 15 years too late?  
 

 

 15 years ago as FairfieldLife at Yahoo-groups was born as a sounding board for 
the larger meditating community it was said then:
 

 

 Rick Archer wrote then on Sept 14, 2001:
 

 I’ve love to see a public announcement like the following from the Department 
of the Development of Consciousness (the people who give out the badges):
 

 Dear Fairfield Sidhas and Governors,
 

 First, we would like to publicly apologize for ever having excluded from the 
domes anyone who wanted to practice Maharishi’s program there. We would like to 
welcome everyone back on the condition that if you are in the dome, you promise 
to practice what you have learned from Maharishi – no more, no less. In turn, 
we promise to never again judge or exclude anyone for what they may choose to 
do with their private life. We possess neither the wisdom nor the right to do 
this. Let us all come together again in a spirit of love and acceptance, and 
begin once more to radiate the harmony and coherence for which the domes were 
built.
 

 Jai Guru Dev,
 

 The Department of the Development of Consciousness
 

 

 

 .numbers flying in the domes would double overnight.
 

 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/7 
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/7
 

 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 It is really a large stain on the community how the admin have let it go and 
alienated so many meditators from the official movement and meditation.  
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 A lot of meditators can’t or won’t go to the Domes now.   There is quite a lot 
of communal hurt here around going to the Domes.  A lot of time [years] has 
flowed under the bridge, over the dam and down stream with all this.  The three 
Drs. at the top of the organization are going to have to get their collective 
heads together and change the guidelines they have been enforcing on the 
community and come up with some thing much more encompassing to remediate the 
situation they have caused with the community Dome meditation. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 The whole community has story of knowing someone who was poorly handled or 
judged.  The interview that starts, “We have some questions we want to ask 
you?”  “..Are you now or have you ever been?”  A result is that fear marinates 
the Domes as possibility of personally being found out and found in error of 
the guidelines.  Fear has become the first sutra of the meditating community 
now in the Domes for many who would like to be involved with the group 
meditation.   
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Any recourse for changing the guidelines or their enforcement for any of this 
is obscure at best.  Redress happens at a pay level way above all of ours and 
is hidden there.  But pretty clearly all of this rests now with the three Drs., 
Morris, Hagelin, and Nader.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Good observation on how it can go.  
 Yes, there is a working document like this that is logical and based on 
specifics now that is being passed around that has recommendations in it.  It 
is based on metrics and it is a comprehensive way of thinking about a series of 
troubles the University and Movement have.  
 

 The document’s creation as a proposal has spurred sub-groups of trustees and 
groups of faculty and groups of staff to become motivated in drawing up 
specific strategic changes in the University and the larger movement. 
 

 There is a lot in play right now.  Is to be seen if the upper admin of the 
status quo movement (the three Drs.) can themselves lead on this together and 
will facilitate the sea change that is going on underneath or will try to sit 
on it.
 

 olliesedwuz writes:

 

 Is there still the ability to place this back in the realm of logic, where 
those who are creating an obstruction can be presented with a concrete list of 
necessary changes? Apologies if I missed it, but has that been tried? 
 

 
 Assembling a grounded list of changes to existing policies, and then working 
through each item via discussion is the only way to broach this. And if those 
in opposition to change refuse to listen, then they must be allowed to see the 
further consequences of what have set in place. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Thanks, Ollie.  Yours is really a well grounded enlightened response.  A 
problem in the middle of TM is that the guidelines for participation are 
unknown to most except the people who do the interrogation of applicants and 
the staff handlers.  It has been that way a long time.
 

 I have been able to read the guidelines on several occasions over the years.  
There is not much 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators Should Come (back) to the Domes the next 4-5 weeks ~ Important time for coherence in consciousness

2016-02-27 Thread Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Maharishi University of Bad Management. It's called shooting one's self in the 
foot. If people really find that TM works, they might leave the *movement* but 
stick with TM. Unfortunately, there are those that will judge TM's 
effectiveness by the results of how the TMO operates. A forest is only as green 
as the individual trees in it. 


  From: "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2016 6:40 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators Should Come (back) to the Domes the 
next 4-5 weeks ~ Important time for coherence in consciousness
   
    It is really a large stain on the community how the admin have let it go 
and alienated so many meditators from the official movement and meditation.  


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony...@yahoo.com> wrote :

A lot of meditators can’t or won’t go to the Domes now.   There is quite a lot 
of communal hurt here around going to the Domes.  A lot of time [years] has 
flowed under the bridge, over the dam and down stream with all this.  The three 
Drs. at the top of the organization are going to have to get their collective 
heads together and change the guidelines they have been enforcing on the 
community and come up with some thing much more encompassing to remediate the 
situation they have caused with the community Dome meditation. 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony...@yahoo.com> wrote :

The whole community has story of knowing someone who was poorly handled or 
judged.  The interview that starts, “We have some questions we want to ask 
you?”  “..Are you now or have you ever been?”  A result is that fear marinates 
the Domes as possibility of personally being found out and found in error of 
the guidelines.  Fear has become the first sutra of the meditating community 
now in the Domes for many who would like to be involved with the group 
meditation.   

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony...@yahoo.com> wrote :

Any recourse for changing the guidelines or their enforcement for any of this 
is obscure at best.  Redress happens at a pay level way above all of ours and 
is hidden there.  But pretty clearly all of this rests now with the three Drs., 
Morris, Hagelin, and Nader.    

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony...@yahoo.com> wrote :

Good observation on how it can go.  Yes, there is a working document like this 
that is logical and based on specifics now that is being passed around that has 
recommendations in it.  It is based on metrics and it is a comprehensive way of 
thinking about a series of troubles the University and Movement have.  
The document’s creation as a proposal has spurred sub-groups of trustees and 
groups of faculty and groups of staff to become motivated in drawing up 
specific strategic changes in the University and the larger movement. 
There is a lot in play right now.  Is to be seen if the upper admin of the 
status quo movement (the three Drs.) can themselves lead on this together and 
will facilitate the sea change that is going on underneath or will try to sit 
on it.    
olliesedwuz writes:

Is there still the ability to place this back in the realm of logic, where 
those who are creating an obstruction can be presented with a concrete list of 
necessary changes? Apologies if I missed it, but has that been tried? 
Assembling a grounded list of changes to existing policies, and then working 
through each item via discussion is the only way to broach this. And if those 
in opposition to change refuse to listen, then they must be allowed to see the 
further consequences of what have set in place. 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony...@yahoo.com> wrote :

Thanks, Ollie.  Yours is really a well grounded enlightened response.  A 
problem in the middle of TM is that the guidelines for participation are 
unknown to most except the people who do the interrogation of applicants and 
the staff handlers.  It has been that way a long time.
I have been able to read the guidelines on several occasions over the years.  
There is not much good reason why the guidelines need to be held secret from 
everyone.  It is not necessarily that the staff who enforce the guidelines over 
people are bad people but it is that the guidelines themselves which they 
enforce are bad.  There is a vindictiveness in them which has been long 
crippling to the community.     
Actually some of the people who have been staff there enforcing the guidelines 
strictly have been very good at that enforcement, if that is the objective.  
The problem is the guidelines themselves are bad and unresponsive to time.  The 
staff and their handlers can’t do anything about that except possibly not 
enforce things at times, which can then become arbitrary.  
The whole situation is looking for remediation.  It will take the urging of the 
three Drs. (Morri

[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators Should Come (back) to the Domes the next 4-5 weeks ~ Important time for coherence in consciousness

2016-02-27 Thread dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
It is really a large stain on the community how the admin have let it go and 
alienated so many meditators from the official movement and meditation.  
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 A lot of meditators can’t or won’t go to the Domes now.   There is quite a lot 
of communal hurt here around going to the Domes.  A lot of time [years] has 
flowed under the bridge, over the dam and down stream with all this.  The three 
Drs. at the top of the organization are going to have to get their collective 
heads together and change the guidelines they have been enforcing on the 
community and come up with some thing much more encompassing to remediate the 
situation they have caused with the community Dome meditation. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 The whole community has story of knowing someone who was poorly handled or 
judged.  The interview that starts, “We have some questions we want to ask 
you?”  “..Are you now or have you ever been?”  A result is that fear marinates 
the Domes as possibility of personally being found out and found in error of 
the guidelines.  Fear has become the first sutra of the meditating community 
now in the Domes for many who would like to be involved with the group 
meditation.   
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Any recourse for changing the guidelines or their enforcement for any of this 
is obscure at best.  Redress happens at a pay level way above all of ours and 
is hidden there.  But pretty clearly all of this rests now with the three Drs., 
Morris, Hagelin, and Nader.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Good observation on how it can go.  
 Yes, there is a working document like this that is logical and based on 
specifics now that is being passed around that has recommendations in it.  It 
is based on metrics and it is a comprehensive way of thinking about a series of 
troubles the University and Movement have.  
 

 The document’s creation as a proposal has spurred sub-groups of trustees and 
groups of faculty and groups of staff to become motivated in drawing up 
specific strategic changes in the University and the larger movement. 
 

 There is a lot in play right now.  Is to be seen if the upper admin of the 
status quo movement (the three Drs.) can themselves lead on this together and 
will facilitate the sea change that is going on underneath or will try to sit 
on it.
 

 olliesedwuz writes:

 

 Is there still the ability to place this back in the realm of logic, where 
those who are creating an obstruction can be presented with a concrete list of 
necessary changes? Apologies if I missed it, but has that been tried? 
 

 
 Assembling a grounded list of changes to existing policies, and then working 
through each item via discussion is the only way to broach this. And if those 
in opposition to change refuse to listen, then they must be allowed to see the 
further consequences of what have set in place. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Thanks, Ollie.  Yours is really a well grounded enlightened response.  A 
problem in the middle of TM is that the guidelines for participation are 
unknown to most except the people who do the interrogation of applicants and 
the staff handlers.  It has been that way a long time.
 

 I have been able to read the guidelines on several occasions over the years.  
There is not much good reason why the guidelines need to be held secret from 
everyone.  It is not necessarily that the staff who enforce the guidelines over 
people are bad people but it is that the guidelines themselves which they 
enforce are bad.  There is a vindictiveness in them which has been long 
crippling to the community. 
 

 
 Actually some of the people who have been staff there enforcing the guidelines 
strictly have been very good at that enforcement, if that is the objective.  
The problem is the guidelines themselves are bad and unresponsive to time.  The 
staff and their handlers can’t do anything about that except possibly not 
enforce things at times, which can then become arbitrary.  
 

 The whole situation is looking for remediation.  It will take the urging of 
the three Drs. (Morris, Hagelin and Nader) at the head of the whole 
organization to put their heads together and come out with some better 
leadership on all this.  
 

 It is said that 'change comes from within'.  In the case of the TM movement 
change that would remediate this communal problem has to come at the level of 
the three Drs. over all this.  That is a cultural problem now that is corporate.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Is there still the ability to place this back in the realm of logic, where 
those who are creating an obstruction can be presented with a concrete list of 
necessary changes? Apologies if I missed 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators Should Come (back) to the Domes the next 4-5 weeks ~ Important time for coherence in consciousness

2016-02-24 Thread Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
We don't need no stinkin' badges!http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7txPU6efos
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|   |  |   |   |   |   |   |
| $Blazing Saddles We don't need no stinking badges |
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  From: "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2016 9:18 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators Should Come (back) to the Domes the 
next 4-5 weeks ~ Important time for coherence in consciousness
   
    A lot of meditators can’t or won’t go to the Domes now.   There is quite a 
lot of communal hurt here around going to the Domes.  A lot of time [years] has 
flowed under the bridge, over the dam and down stream with all this.  The three 
Drs. at the top of the organization are going to have to get their collective 
heads together and change the guidelines they have been enforcing on the 
community and come up with some thing much more encompassing to remediate the 
situation they have caused with the community Dome meditation. 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony...@yahoo.com> wrote :

The whole community has story of knowing someone who was poorly handled or 
judged.  The interview that starts, “We have some questions we want to ask 
you?”  “..Are you now or have you ever been?”  A result is that fear marinates 
the Domes as possibility of personally being found out and found in error of 
the guidelines.  Fear has become the first sutra of the meditating community 
now in the Domes for many who would like to be involved with the group 
meditation.   

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony...@yahoo.com> wrote :

Any recourse for changing the guidelines or their enforcement for any of this 
is obscure at best.  Redress happens at a pay level way above all of ours and 
is hidden there.  But pretty clearly all of this rests now with the three Drs., 
Morris, Hagelin, and Nader.    

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony...@yahoo.com> wrote :

Good observation on how it can go.  Yes, there is a working document like this 
that is logical and based on specifics now that is being passed around that has 
recommendations in it.  It is based on metrics and it is a comprehensive way of 
thinking about a series of troubles the University and Movement have.  
The document’s creation as a proposal has spurred sub-groups of trustees and 
groups of faculty and groups of staff to become motivated in drawing up 
specific strategic changes in the University and the larger movement. 
There is a lot in play right now.  Is to be seen if the upper admin of the 
status quo movement (the three Drs.) can themselves lead on this together and 
will facilitate the sea change that is going on underneath or will try to sit 
on it.    
olliesedwuz writes:

Is there still the ability to place this back in the realm of logic, where 
those who are creating an obstruction can be presented with a concrete list of 
necessary changes? Apologies if I missed it, but has that been tried? 
Assembling a grounded list of changes to existing policies, and then working 
through each item via discussion is the only way to broach this. And if those 
in opposition to change refuse to listen, then they must be allowed to see the 
further consequences of what have set in place. 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony...@yahoo.com> wrote :

Thanks, Ollie.  Yours is really a well grounded enlightened response.  A 
problem in the middle of TM is that the guidelines for participation are 
unknown to most except the people who do the interrogation of applicants and 
the staff handlers.  It has been that way a long time.
I have been able to read the guidelines on several occasions over the years.  
There is not much good reason why the guidelines need to be held secret from 
everyone.  It is not necessarily that the staff who enforce the guidelines over 
people are bad people but it is that the guidelines themselves which they 
enforce are bad.  There is a vindictiveness in them which has been long 
crippling to the community.     
Actually some of the people who have been staff there enforcing the guidelines 
strictly have been very good at that enforcement, if that is the objective.  
The problem is the guidelines themselves are bad and unresponsive to time.  The 
staff and their handlers can’t do anything about that except possibly not 
enforce things at times, which can then become arbitrary.  
The whole situation is looking for remediation.  It will take the urging of the 
three Drs. (Morris, Hagelin and Nader) at the head of the whole organization to 
put their heads together and come out with some better leadership on all this.  
It is said that 'change comes from within'.  In the case of the TM movement 
change that would remediate this communal problem has to come at the level of 
the three Drs. over all this.  That is 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators Should Come (back) to the Domes the next 4-5 weeks ~ Important time for coherence in consciousness

2016-02-24 Thread dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
A lot of meditators can’t or won’t go to the Domes now.   There is quite a lot 
of communal hurt here around going to the Domes.  A lot of time [years] has 
flowed under the bridge, over the dam and down stream with all this.  The three 
Drs. at the top of the organization are going to have to get their collective 
heads together and change the guidelines they have been enforcing on the 
community and come up with some thing much more encompassing to remediate the 
situation they have caused with the community Dome meditation. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 The whole community has story of knowing someone who was poorly handled or 
judged.  The interview that starts, “We have some questions we want to ask 
you?”  “..Are you now or have you ever been?”  A result is that fear marinates 
the Domes as possibility of personally being found out and found in error of 
the guidelines.  Fear has become the first sutra of the meditating community 
now in the Domes for many who would like to be involved with the group 
meditation.   
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Any recourse for changing the guidelines or their enforcement for any of this 
is obscure at best.  Redress happens at a pay level way above all of ours and 
is hidden there.  But pretty clearly all of this rests now with the three Drs., 
Morris, Hagelin, and Nader.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Good observation on how it can go.  
 Yes, there is a working document like this that is logical and based on 
specifics now that is being passed around that has recommendations in it.  It 
is based on metrics and it is a comprehensive way of thinking about a series of 
troubles the University and Movement have.  
 

 The document’s creation as a proposal has spurred sub-groups of trustees and 
groups of faculty and groups of staff to become motivated in drawing up 
specific strategic changes in the University and the larger movement. 
 

 There is a lot in play right now.  Is to be seen if the upper admin of the 
status quo movement (the three Drs.) can themselves lead on this together and 
will facilitate the sea change that is going on underneath or will try to sit 
on it.
 

 olliesedwuz writes:

 

 Is there still the ability to place this back in the realm of logic, where 
those who are creating an obstruction can be presented with a concrete list of 
necessary changes? Apologies if I missed it, but has that been tried? 
 

 
 Assembling a grounded list of changes to existing policies, and then working 
through each item via discussion is the only way to broach this. And if those 
in opposition to change refuse to listen, then they must be allowed to see the 
further consequences of what have set in place. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Thanks, Ollie.  Yours is really a well grounded enlightened response.  A 
problem in the middle of TM is that the guidelines for participation are 
unknown to most except the people who do the interrogation of applicants and 
the staff handlers.  It has been that way a long time.
 

 I have been able to read the guidelines on several occasions over the years.  
There is not much good reason why the guidelines need to be held secret from 
everyone.  It is not necessarily that the staff who enforce the guidelines over 
people are bad people but it is that the guidelines themselves which they 
enforce are bad.  There is a vindictiveness in them which has been long 
crippling to the community. 
 

 
 Actually some of the people who have been staff there enforcing the guidelines 
strictly have been very good at that enforcement, if that is the objective.  
The problem is the guidelines themselves are bad and unresponsive to time.  The 
staff and their handlers can’t do anything about that except possibly not 
enforce things at times, which can then become arbitrary.  
 

 The whole situation is looking for remediation.  It will take the urging of 
the three Drs. (Morris, Hagelin and Nader) at the head of the whole 
organization to put their heads together and come out with some better 
leadership on all this.  
 

 It is said that 'change comes from within'.  In the case of the TM movement 
change that would remediate this communal problem has to come at the level of 
the three Drs. over all this.  That is a cultural problem now that is corporate.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Is there still the ability to place this back in the realm of logic, where 
those who are creating an obstruction can be presented with a concrete list of 
necessary changes? Apologies if I missed it, but has that been tried? 
Assembling a grounded list of changes to existing policies, and then working 
through each item via discussion is the only way to broach this. And if those 
in opposition to change refuse to listen, 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators Should Come (back) to the Domes the next 4-5 weeks ~ Important time for coherence in consciousness

2016-02-24 Thread dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
The whole community has story of knowing someone who was poorly handled or 
judged.  The interview that starts, “We have some questions we want to ask 
you?”  “..Are you now or have you ever been?”  A result is that fear marinates 
the Domes as possibility of personally being found out and found in error of 
the guidelines.  Fear has become the first sutra of the meditating community 
now in the Domes for many who would like to be involved with the group 
meditation.   
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Any recourse for changing the guidelines or their enforcement for any of this 
is obscure at best.  Redress happens at a pay level way above all of ours and 
is hidden there.  But pretty clearly all of this rests now with the three Drs., 
Morris, Hagelin, and Nader.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Good observation on how it can go.  
 Yes, there is a working document like this that is logical and based on 
specifics now that is being passed around that has recommendations in it.  It 
is based on metrics and it is a comprehensive way of thinking about a series of 
troubles the University and Movement have.  
 

 The document’s creation as a proposal has spurred sub-groups of trustees and 
groups of faculty and groups of staff to become motivated in drawing up 
specific strategic changes in the University and the larger movement. 
 

 There is a lot in play right now.  Is to be seen if the upper admin of the 
status quo movement (the three Drs.) can themselves lead on this together and 
will facilitate the sea change that is going on underneath or will try to sit 
on it.
 

 olliesedwuz writes:

 

 Is there still the ability to place this back in the realm of logic, where 
those who are creating an obstruction can be presented with a concrete list of 
necessary changes? Apologies if I missed it, but has that been tried? 
 

 
 Assembling a grounded list of changes to existing policies, and then working 
through each item via discussion is the only way to broach this. And if those 
in opposition to change refuse to listen, then they must be allowed to see the 
further consequences of what have set in place. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Thanks, Ollie.  Yours is really a well grounded enlightened response.  A 
problem in the middle of TM is that the guidelines for participation are 
unknown to most except the people who do the interrogation of applicants and 
the staff handlers.  It has been that way a long time.
 

 I have been able to read the guidelines on several occasions over the years.  
There is not much good reason why the guidelines need to be held secret from 
everyone.  It is not necessarily that the staff who enforce the guidelines over 
people are bad people but it is that the guidelines themselves which they 
enforce are bad.  There is a vindictiveness in them which has been long 
crippling to the community. 
 

 
 Actually some of the people who have been staff there enforcing the guidelines 
strictly have been very good at that enforcement, if that is the objective.  
The problem is the guidelines themselves are bad and unresponsive to time.  The 
staff and their handlers can’t do anything about that except possibly not 
enforce things at times, which can then become arbitrary.  
 

 The whole situation is looking for remediation.  It will take the urging of 
the three Drs. (Morris, Hagelin and Nader) at the head of the whole 
organization to put their heads together and come out with some better 
leadership on all this.  
 

 It is said that 'change comes from within'.  In the case of the TM movement 
change that would remediate this communal problem has to come at the level of 
the three Drs. over all this.  That is a cultural problem now that is corporate.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Is there still the ability to place this back in the realm of logic, where 
those who are creating an obstruction can be presented with a concrete list of 
necessary changes? Apologies if I missed it, but has that been tried? 
Assembling a grounded list of changes to existing policies, and then working 
through each item via discussion is the only way to broach this. And if those 
in opposition to change refuse to listen, then they must be allowed to see the 
further consequences of what have set in place.  

 There was only one Maharishi and he is gone, so any decisions must now be made 
on the basis of logic and goal-orientation. No more Maharishi would have said. 
Much messier now, a situation calling for someone who can transcend the hurt 
feelings and sense of righteousness, that sound pervasive from your description.
 

 The other thing to consider is what others have mentioned. What is the 
downside to it all going away, except the process to continue the marketing and 
teaching of TM and the TM Siddhis programs? 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators Should Come (back) to the Domes the next 4-5 weeks ~ Important time for coherence in consciousness

2016-02-24 Thread dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Any recourse for changing the guidelines or their enforcement for any of this 
is obscure at best.  Redress happens at a pay level way above all of ours and 
is hidden there.  But pretty clearly all of this rests now with the three Drs., 
Morris, Hagelin, and Nader.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Good observation on how it can go.  
 Yes, there is a working document like this that is logical and based on 
specifics now that is being passed around that has recommendations in it.  It 
is based on metrics and it is a comprehensive way of thinking about a series of 
troubles the University and Movement have.  
 

 The document’s creation as a proposal has spurred sub-groups of trustees and 
groups of faculty and groups of staff to become motivated in drawing up 
specific strategic changes in the University and the larger movement. 
 

 There is a lot in play right now.  Is to be seen if the upper admin of the 
status quo movement (the three Drs.) can themselves lead on this together and 
will facilitate the sea change that is going on underneath or will try to sit 
on it.
 

 olliesedwuz writes:

 

 Is there still the ability to place this back in the realm of logic, where 
those who are creating an obstruction can be presented with a concrete list of 
necessary changes? Apologies if I missed it, but has that been tried? 
 

 
 Assembling a grounded list of changes to existing policies, and then working 
through each item via discussion is the only way to broach this. And if those 
in opposition to change refuse to listen, then they must be allowed to see the 
further consequences of what have set in place. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Thanks, Ollie.  Yours is really a well grounded enlightened response.  A 
problem in the middle of TM is that the guidelines for participation are 
unknown to most except the people who do the interrogation of applicants and 
the staff handlers.  It has been that way a long time.
 

 I have been able to read the guidelines on several occasions over the years.  
There is not much good reason why the guidelines need to be held secret from 
everyone.  It is not necessarily that the staff who enforce the guidelines over 
people are bad people but it is that the guidelines themselves which they 
enforce are bad.  There is a vindictiveness in them which has been long 
crippling to the community. 
 

 
 Actually some of the people who have been staff there enforcing the guidelines 
strictly have been very good at that enforcement, if that is the objective.  
The problem is the guidelines themselves are bad and unresponsive to time.  The 
staff and their handlers can’t do anything about that except possibly not 
enforce things at times, which can then become arbitrary.  
 

 The whole situation is looking for remediation.  It will take the urging of 
the three Drs. (Morris, Hagelin and Nader) at the head of the whole 
organization to put their heads together and come out with some better 
leadership on all this.  
 

 It is said that 'change comes from within'.  In the case of the TM movement 
change that would remediate this communal problem has to come at the level of 
the three Drs. over all this.  That is a cultural problem now that is corporate.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Is there still the ability to place this back in the realm of logic, where 
those who are creating an obstruction can be presented with a concrete list of 
necessary changes? Apologies if I missed it, but has that been tried? 
Assembling a grounded list of changes to existing policies, and then working 
through each item via discussion is the only way to broach this. And if those 
in opposition to change refuse to listen, then they must be allowed to see the 
further consequences of what have set in place.  

 There was only one Maharishi and he is gone, so any decisions must now be made 
on the basis of logic and goal-orientation. No more Maharishi would have said. 
Much messier now, a situation calling for someone who can transcend the hurt 
feelings and sense of righteousness, that sound pervasive from your description.
 

 The other thing to consider is what others have mentioned. What is the 
downside to it all going away, except the process to continue the marketing and 
teaching of TM and the TM Siddhis programs? Maharishi designed his programs for 
householders, without an external support mechanisms needed.
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 There’s a lot of judgement of ‘sinning’ in TM going on and there is a lot of 
personal judgement of people going on in TM.  We have some strict 
Preservationists who judge the practitioners and then we have the practitioners 
who as a community judge the preservationists. 
 

 It is judgement to some standard and where capricious the judgement becomes 
personal and vendetta that is 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators Should Come (back) to the Domes the next 4-5 weeks ~ Important time for coherence in consciousness

2016-02-20 Thread dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Good observation on how it can go.  
 Yes, there is a working document like this that is logical and based on 
specifics now that is being passed around that has recommendations in it.  It 
is based on metrics and it is a comprehensive way of thinking about a series of 
troubles the University and Movement have.  
 

 The document’s creation as a proposal has spurred sub-groups of trustees and 
groups of faculty and groups of staff to become motivated in drawing up 
specific strategic changes in the University and the larger movement. 
 

 There is a lot in play right now.  Is to be seen if the upper admin of the 
status quo movement (the three Drs.) can themselves lead on this together and 
will facilitate the sea change that is going on underneath or will try to sit 
on it.
 

 olliesedwuz writes:

 

 Is there still the ability to place this back in the realm of logic, where 
those who are creating an obstruction can be presented with a concrete list of 
necessary changes? Apologies if I missed it, but has that been tried? 
 

 
 Assembling a grounded list of changes to existing policies, and then working 
through each item via discussion is the only way to broach this. And if those 
in opposition to change refuse to listen, then they must be allowed to see the 
further consequences of what have set in place. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Thanks, Ollie.  Yours is really a well grounded enlightened response.  A 
problem in the middle of TM is that the guidelines for participation are 
unknown to most except the people who do the interrogation of applicants and 
the staff handlers.  It has been that way a long time.
 

 I have been able to read the guidelines on several occasions over the years.  
There is not much good reason why the guidelines need to be held secret from 
everyone.  It is not necessarily that the staff who enforce the guidelines over 
people are bad people but it is that the guidelines themselves which they 
enforce are bad.  There is a vindictiveness in them which has been long 
crippling to the community. 
 

 
 Actually some of the people who have been staff there enforcing the guidelines 
strictly have been very good at that enforcement, if that is the objective.  
The problem is the guidelines themselves are bad and unresponsive to time.  The 
staff and their handlers can’t do anything about that except possibly not 
enforce things at times, which can then become arbitrary.  
 

 The whole situation is looking for remediation.  It will take the urging of 
the three Drs. (Morris, Hagelin and Nader) at the head of the whole 
organization to put their heads together and come out with some better 
leadership on all this.  
 

 It is said that 'change comes from within'.  In the case of the TM movement 
change that would remediate this communal problem has to come at the level of 
the three Drs. over all this.  That is a cultural problem now that is corporate.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Is there still the ability to place this back in the realm of logic, where 
those who are creating an obstruction can be presented with a concrete list of 
necessary changes? Apologies if I missed it, but has that been tried? 
Assembling a grounded list of changes to existing policies, and then working 
through each item via discussion is the only way to broach this. And if those 
in opposition to change refuse to listen, then they must be allowed to see the 
further consequences of what have set in place.  

 There was only one Maharishi and he is gone, so any decisions must now be made 
on the basis of logic and goal-orientation. No more Maharishi would have said. 
Much messier now, a situation calling for someone who can transcend the hurt 
feelings and sense of righteousness, that sound pervasive from your description.
 

 The other thing to consider is what others have mentioned. What is the 
downside to it all going away, except the process to continue the marketing and 
teaching of TM and the TM Siddhis programs? Maharishi designed his programs for 
householders, without an external support mechanisms needed.
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 There’s a lot of judgement of ‘sinning’ in TM going on and there is a lot of 
personal judgement of people going on in TM.  We have some strict 
Preservationists who judge the practitioners and then we have the practitioners 
who as a community judge the preservationists. 
 

 It is judgement to some standard and where capricious the judgement becomes 
personal and vendetta that is self indulgent, selfish, relentlessly indulged. 
TM.   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 We’ve got a terrible Catch-22 in the middle of TM right now with the 
movement’s TM Dome group meditation participation guidelines.  
  On the one hand Strict preservation originalist religious ideologues within 
the 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators Should Come (back) to the Domes the next 4-5 weeks ~ Important time for coherence in consciousness

2016-02-19 Thread dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Thanks, Ollie.  Yours is really a well grounded enlightened response.  A 
problem in the middle of TM is that the guidelines for participation are 
unknown to most except the people who do the interrogation of applicants and 
the staff handlers.  It has been that way a long time.
 

 I have been able to read the guidelines on several occasions over the years.  
There is not much good reason why the guidelines need to be held secret from 
everyone.  It is not necessarily that the staff who enforce the guidelines over 
people are bad people but it is that the guidelines themselves which they 
enforce are bad.  There is a vindictiveness in them which has been long 
crippling to the community. 
 

 
 Actually some of the people who have been staff there enforcing the guidelines 
strictly have been very good at that enforcement, if that is the objective.  
The problem is the guidelines themselves are bad and unresponsive to time.  The 
staff and their handlers can’t do anything about that except possibly not 
enforce things at times, which can then become arbitrary.  
 

 The whole situation is looking for remediation.  It will take the urging of 
the three Drs. (Morris, Hagelin and Nader) at the head of the whole 
organization to put their heads together and come out with some better 
leadership on all this.  
 

 It is said that 'change comes from within'.  In the case of the TM movement 
change that would remediate this communal problem has to come at the level of 
the three Drs. over all this.  That is a cultural problem now that is corporate.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Is there still the ability to place this back in the realm of logic, where 
those who are creating an obstruction can be presented with a concrete list of 
necessary changes? Apologies if I missed it, but has that been tried? 
Assembling a grounded list of changes to existing policies, and then working 
through each item via discussion is the only way to broach this. And if those 
in opposition to change refuse to listen, then they must be allowed to see the 
further consequences of what have set in place.  

 There was only one Maharishi and he is gone, so any decisions must now be made 
on the basis of logic and goal-orientation. No more Maharishi would have said. 
Much messier now, a situation calling for someone who can transcend the hurt 
feelings and sense of righteousness, that sound pervasive from your description.
 

 The other thing to consider is what others have mentioned. What is the 
downside to it all going away, except the process to continue the marketing and 
teaching of TM and the TM Siddhis programs? Maharishi designed his programs for 
householders, without an external support mechanisms needed.
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 There’s a lot of judgement of ‘sinning’ in TM going on and there is a lot of 
personal judgement of people going on in TM.  We have some strict 
Preservationists who judge the practitioners and then we have the practitioners 
who as a community judge the preservationists. 
 

 It is judgement to some standard and where capricious the judgement becomes 
personal and vendetta that is self indulgent, selfish, relentlessly indulged. 
TM.   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 We’ve got a terrible Catch-22 in the middle of TM right now with the 
movement’s TM Dome group meditation participation guidelines.  
  On the one hand Strict preservation originalist religious ideologues within 
the middle at the top of TM feel that the older meditator community and old TM 
teachers have “sinned” against original policy and guideline and should 
necessarily be disciplined, 
 while on the other hand the old and young meditating community finds the TM 
leadership itself has in any number of ways ‘sinned’ as leaders of the 
community.
 

 This is all really bad for and works against the Dome meditation numbers right 
now. 
 

 It would take some extraordinary leadership to reconcile.
 

 A Great Mediator.   
 

 Could a forgiveness be found somewhere on either side?
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 It would be good if all of us could participate in group program 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 It would be good, If practitioners can get approval.  

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 The situation is dire. 
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Om! The situation could use a great ‘mediator’ to reconcile some forgiveness 
from both sides, the strict preservationists and the practitioners, to save its 
communal group meditation.   
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 FW:  Secondly, many hundreds, if not thousands, of Sidhas and Governors all 
over the 
 country are convinced that 'the worst', more glaring (and most damaging) 
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators Should Come (back) to the Domes the next 4-5 weeks ~ Important time for coherence in consciousness

2016-02-19 Thread dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Is there still the ability to place this back in the realm of logic, where 
those who are creating an obstruction can be presented with a concrete list of 
necessary changes? Apologies if I missed it, but has that been tried? 
Assembling a grounded list of changes to existing policies, and then working 
through each item via discussion is the only way to broach this. And if those 
in opposition to change refuse to listen, then they must be allowed to see the 
further consequences of what have set in place.  

 There was only one Maharishi and he is gone, so any decisions must now be made 
on the basis of logic and goal-orientation. No more Maharishi would have said. 
Much messier now, a situation calling for someone who can transcend the hurt 
feelings and sense of righteousness, that sound pervasive from your description.
 

 The other thing to consider is what others have mentioned. What is the 
downside to it all going away, except the process to continue the marketing and 
teaching of TM and the TM Siddhis programs? Maharishi designed his programs for 
householders, without an external support mechanisms needed.
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 There’s a lot of judgement of ‘sinning’ in TM going on and there is a lot of 
personal judgement of people going on in TM.  We have some strict 
Preservationists who judge the practitioners and then we have the practitioners 
who as a community judge the preservationists. 
 

 It is judgement to some standard and where capricious the judgement becomes 
personal and vendetta that is self indulgent, selfish, relentlessly indulged. 
TM.   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 We’ve got a terrible Catch-22 in the middle of TM right now with the 
movement’s TM Dome group meditation participation guidelines.  
  On the one hand Strict preservation originalist religious ideologues within 
the middle at the top of TM feel that the older meditator community and old TM 
teachers have “sinned” against original policy and guideline and should 
necessarily be disciplined, 
 while on the other hand the old and young meditating community finds the TM 
leadership itself has in any number of ways ‘sinned’ as leaders of the 
community.
 

 This is all really bad for and works against the Dome meditation numbers right 
now. 
 

 It would take some extraordinary leadership to reconcile.
 

 A Great Mediator.   
 

 Could a forgiveness be found somewhere on either side?
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 It would be good if all of us could participate in group program 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 It would be good, If practitioners can get approval.  

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 The situation is dire. 
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Om! The situation could use a great ‘mediator’ to reconcile some forgiveness 
from both sides, the strict preservationists and the practitioners, to save its 
communal group meditation.   
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 FW:  Secondly, many hundreds, if not thousands, of Sidhas and Governors all 
over the 
 country are convinced that 'the worst', more glaring (and most damaging) 
 example of violation of the excellent and true principles .. is the so-called 
'monitoring' system of the IAA Grant. 
 Statistics .. carefully kept (with the help of MUM and other statistical 
experts) show 
 that it was this 'monitoring' system that mainly (not only) stopped 14 
consecutive
 months (year-on-year) of higher Super Radiance participation dead in its 
tracks 
 in the month of August, 2012, and has resulted in 40 consecutive lower months 
 since it went in 
 

 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 It seems an upper leadership is incredibly isolated.  It’s no wonder the 
leaders and the larger movement community have moved away from each other and 
it has gone the way it has.   Is pitiable really, given the science and 
spirituality at stake.  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 

 

 They have a cultural problem
 
  built in to the guidelines that they use to judge meditators.  We have long 
been losing numbers of meditators faster than they can manufacture them.  It is 
going to take a revolutionary culture change inside the leadership to right 
this.  Can it happen fast enough?  Can culture change happen in the movement at 
the top fast enough to save itself and us? 
 

 upfronter writes:  
 

 Perhaps one reason why there is not 100% attendance is because a lot of people 
do not actually believe that what they are being told in such a matter-of-fact 
way is accurate and factual. 
 

 A meditator continues to meditate because they have a clear and subjectively 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators Should Come (back) to the Domes the next 4-5 weeks ~ Important time for coherence in consciousness

2016-02-19 Thread olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Is there still the ability to place this back in the realm of logic, where 
those who are creating an obstruction can be presented with a concrete list of 
necessary changes? Apologies if I missed it, but has that been tried? 
Assembling a grounded list of changes to existing policies, and then working 
through each item via discussion is the only way to broach this. And if those 
in opposition to change refuse to listen, then they must be allowed to see the 
further consequences of what have set in place.  

 There was only one Maharishi and he is gone, so any decisions must now be made 
on the basis of logic and goal-orientation. No more Maharishi would have said. 
Much messier now, a situation calling for someone who can transcend the hurt 
feelings and sense of righteousness, that sound pervasive from your description.
 

 The other thing to consider is what others have mentioned. What is the 
downside to it all going away, except the process to continue the marketing and 
teaching of TM and the TM Siddhis programs? Maharishi designed his programs for 
householders, without an external support mechanisms needed.
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 There’s a lot of judgement of ‘sinning’ in TM going on and there is a lot of 
personal judgement of people going on in TM.  We have some strict 
Preservationists who judge the practitioners and then we have the practitioners 
who as a community judge the preservationists. 
 

 It is judgement to some standard and where capricious the judgement becomes 
personal and vendetta that is self indulgent, selfish, relentlessly indulged. 
TM.   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 We’ve got a terrible Catch-22 in the middle of TM right now with the 
movement’s TM Dome group meditation participation guidelines.  
  On the one hand Strict preservation originalist religious ideologues within 
the middle at the top of TM feel that the older meditator community and old TM 
teachers have “sinned” against original policy and guideline and should 
necessarily be disciplined, 
 while on the other hand the old and young meditating community finds the TM 
leadership itself has in any number of ways ‘sinned’ as leaders of the 
community.
 

 This is all really bad for and works against the Dome meditation numbers right 
now. 
 

 It would take some extraordinary leadership to reconcile.
 

 A Great Mediator.   
 

 Could a forgiveness be found somewhere on either side?
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 It would be good if all of us could participate in group program 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 It would be good, If practitioners can get approval.  

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 The situation is dire. 
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Om! The situation could use a great ‘mediator’ to reconcile some forgiveness 
from both sides, the strict preservationists and the practitioners, to save its 
communal group meditation.   
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 FW:  Secondly, many hundreds, if not thousands, of Sidhas and Governors all 
over the 
 country are convinced that 'the worst', more glaring (and most damaging) 
 example of violation of the excellent and true principles .. is the so-called 
'monitoring' system of the IAA Grant. 
 Statistics .. carefully kept (with the help of MUM and other statistical 
experts) show 
 that it was this 'monitoring' system that mainly (not only) stopped 14 
consecutive
 months (year-on-year) of higher Super Radiance participation dead in its 
tracks 
 in the month of August, 2012, and has resulted in 40 consecutive lower months 
 since it went in 
 

 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 It seems an upper leadership is incredibly isolated.  It’s no wonder the 
leaders and the larger movement community have moved away from each other and 
it has gone the way it has.   Is pitiable really, given the science and 
spirituality at stake.  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 

 

 They have a cultural problem
 
  built in to the guidelines that they use to judge meditators.  We have long 
been losing numbers of meditators faster than they can manufacture them.  It is 
going to take a revolutionary culture change inside the leadership to right 
this.  Can it happen fast enough?  Can culture change happen in the movement at 
the top fast enough to save itself and us? 
 

 upfronter writes:  
 

 Perhaps one reason why there is not 100% attendance is because a lot of people 
do not actually believe that what they are being told in such a matter-of-fact 
way is accurate and factual. 
 

 A meditator continues to meditate because they have a clear and subjectively 
recognisable benefit from doing so. 

 

 It is true in some number of 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators Should Come (back) to the Domes the next 4-5 weeks ~ Important time for coherence in consciousness

2016-02-18 Thread Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Or you can be self sufficient, mediate twice a day and screw all the TMO 
politics. *indifference*


  From: "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2016 10:02 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators Should Come (back) to the Domes the 
next 4-5 weeks ~ Important time for coherence in consciousness
   
    There’s a lot of judgement of ‘sinning’ in TM going on and there is a lot 
of personal judgement of people going on in TM.  We have some strict 
Preservationists who judge the practitioners and then we have the practitioners 
who as a community judge the preservationists. 
It is judgement to some standard and where capricious the judgement becomes 
personal and vendetta that is self indulgent, selfish, relentlessly indulged. 
TM.   


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony...@yahoo.com> wrote :

We’ve got a terrible Catch-22 in the middle of TM right now with the movement’s 
TM Dome group meditation participation guidelines.   On the one hand Strict 
preservation originalist religious ideologues within the middle at the top of 
TM feel that the older meditator community and old TM teachers have “sinned” 
against original policy and guideline and should necessarily be disciplined, 
while on the other hand the old and young meditating community finds the TM 
leadership itself has in any number of ways ‘sinned’ as leaders of the 
community.
This is all really bad for and works against the Dome meditation numbers right 
now. 
It would take some extraordinary leadership to reconcile.
A Great Mediator.   
Could a forgiveness be found somewhere on either side?

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony...@yahoo.com> wrote :

It would be good if all of us could participate in group program 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony...@yahoo.com> wrote :

It would be good, If practitioners can get approval. 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony...@yahoo.com> wrote :

The situation is dire. 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony...@yahoo.com> wrote :

Om! The situation could use a great ‘mediator’ to reconcile some forgiveness 
from both sides, the strict preservationists and the practitioners, to save its 
communal group meditation.   

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony...@yahoo.com> wrote :

FW:  Secondly, many hundreds, if not thousands, of Sidhas and Governors all 
over the country are convinced that 'the worst', more glaring (and most 
damaging) example of violation of the excellent and true principles .. is the 
so-called 'monitoring' system of the IAA Grant. Statistics .. carefully kept 
(with the help of MUM and other statistical experts) show that it was this 
'monitoring' system that mainly (not only) stopped 14 consecutivemonths 
(year-on-year) of higher Super Radiance participation dead in its tracks in the 
month of August, 2012, and has resulted in 40 consecutive lower months since it 
went in 



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony...@yahoo.com> wrote :

It seems an upper leadership is incredibly isolated.  It’s no wonder the 
leaders and the larger movement community have moved away from each other and 
it has gone the way it has.   Is pitiable really, given the science and 
spirituality at stake.  

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony...@yahoo.com> wrote :



They have a cultural problem built in to the guidelines that they use to judge 
meditators.  We have long been losing numbers of meditators faster than they 
can manufacture them.  It is going to take a revolutionary culture change 
inside the leadership to right this.  Can it happen fast enough?  Can culture 
change happen in the movement at the top fast enough to save itself and us? 
upfronter writes:  
Perhaps one reason why there is not 100% attendance is because a lot of people 
do not actually believe that what they are being told in such a matter-of-fact 
way is accurate and factual. 
A meditator continues to meditate because they have a clear and subjectively 
recognisable benefit from doing so. 

It is true in some number of cases that as some people are meditators they are 
are not necessarily interested in doing the 'long' program much anymore.  
Meditators yes, but not doing the TM-sidhis.
But when it moves into the arena of expanded applied Vedic philosophies, as 
nice as these are in creating interests and spawning various communities, it 
appears to some, now with hindsight due to early pioneers, that this is just 
guesswork, wishful thinking or ideological fervour.

emptybill writes:Fairfield is now the Damascus of Iowa. 
All those duplicitous yajña-s are scams that the devata-s easily see.
Why would they want to come and abide there?

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony...@yahoo.com> wrote :

It seems a leadership is isolated from its med

[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators Should Come (back) to the Domes the next 4-5 weeks ~ Important time for coherence in consciousness

2016-02-18 Thread dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
There’s a lot of judgement of ‘sinning’ in TM going on and there is a lot of 
personal judgement of people going on in TM.  We have some strict 
Preservationists who judge the practitioners and then we have the practitioners 
who as a community judge the preservationists. 
 

 It is judgement to some standard and where capricious the judgement becomes 
personal and vendetta that is self indulgent, selfish, relentlessly indulged. 
TM.   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 We’ve got a terrible Catch-22 in the middle of TM right now with the 
movement’s TM Dome group meditation participation guidelines.  
  On the one hand Strict preservation originalist religious ideologues within 
the middle at the top of TM feel that the older meditator community and old TM 
teachers have “sinned” against original policy and guideline and should 
necessarily be disciplined, 
 while on the other hand the old and young meditating community finds the TM 
leadership itself has in any number of ways ‘sinned’ as leaders of the 
community.
 

 This is all really bad for and works against the Dome meditation numbers right 
now. 
 

 It would take some extraordinary leadership to reconcile.
 

 A Great Mediator.   
 

 Could a forgiveness be found somewhere on either side?
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 It would be good if all of us could participate in group program 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 It would be good, If practitioners can get approval.  

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 The situation is dire. 
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Om! The situation could use a great ‘mediator’ to reconcile some forgiveness 
from both sides, the strict preservationists and the practitioners, to save its 
communal group meditation.   
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 FW:  Secondly, many hundreds, if not thousands, of Sidhas and Governors all 
over the 
 country are convinced that 'the worst', more glaring (and most damaging) 
 example of violation of the excellent and true principles .. is the so-called 
'monitoring' system of the IAA Grant. 
 Statistics .. carefully kept (with the help of MUM and other statistical 
experts) show 
 that it was this 'monitoring' system that mainly (not only) stopped 14 
consecutive
 months (year-on-year) of higher Super Radiance participation dead in its 
tracks 
 in the month of August, 2012, and has resulted in 40 consecutive lower months 
 since it went in 
 

 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 It seems an upper leadership is incredibly isolated.  It’s no wonder the 
leaders and the larger movement community have moved away from each other and 
it has gone the way it has.   Is pitiable really, given the science and 
spirituality at stake.  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 

 

 They have a cultural problem
 
  built in to the guidelines that they use to judge meditators.  We have long 
been losing numbers of meditators faster than they can manufacture them.  It is 
going to take a revolutionary culture change inside the leadership to right 
this.  Can it happen fast enough?  Can culture change happen in the movement at 
the top fast enough to save itself and us? 
 

 upfronter writes:  
 

 Perhaps one reason why there is not 100% attendance is because a lot of people 
do not actually believe that what they are being told in such a matter-of-fact 
way is accurate and factual. 
 

 A meditator continues to meditate because they have a clear and subjectively 
recognisable benefit from doing so. 

 

 It is true in some number of cases that as some people are meditators they are 
are not necessarily interested in doing the 'long' program much anymore.  
Meditators yes, but not doing the TM-sidhis.
 

 But when it moves into the arena of expanded applied Vedic philosophies, as 
nice as these are in creating interests and spawning various communities, it 
appears to some, now with hindsight due to early pioneers, that this is just 
guesswork, wishful thinking or ideological fervour.
 

 

 emptybill writes:
 Fairfield is now the Damascus of Iowa. 
All those duplicitous yajña-s are scams that the devata-s easily see.
Why would they want to come and abide there?

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 It seems a leadership is isolated from its meditaors and so unable to redeem 
itself that the conflict is worst than stalemate and the group meditation 
languishes. By many metrics the movement is running out.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 

 Yep, is a sorry thing to watch those so hopeful and earnest TM ideologues at 
the top of TM and see how they have lost it so badly with the movement.  It 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators Should Come (back) to the Domes the next 4-5 weeks ~ Important time for coherence in consciousness

2016-02-18 Thread dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
We’ve got a terrible Catch-22 in the middle of TM right now with the movement’s 
TM Dome group meditation participation guidelines.  
  On the one hand Strict preservation originalist religious ideologues within 
the middle at the top of TM feel that the older meditator community and old TM 
teachers have “sinned” against original policy and guideline and should 
necessarily be disciplined, 
 while on the other hand the old and young meditating community finds the TM 
leadership itself has in any number of ways ‘sinned’ as leaders of the 
community.
 

 This is all really bad for and works against the Dome meditation numbers right 
now. 
 

 It would take some extraordinary leadership to reconcile.
 

 A Great Mediator.   
 

 Could forgiveness be found somewhere on either side?
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 It would be good if all of us could participate in group program 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 It would be good, If practitioners can get approval.  

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 The situation is dire. 
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Om! The situation could use a great ‘mediator’ to reconcile some forgiveness 
from both sides, the strict preservationists and the practitioners, to save its 
communal group meditation.   
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 FW:  Secondly, many hundreds, if not thousands, of Sidhas and Governors all 
over the 
 country are convinced that 'the worst', more glaring (and most damaging) 
 example of violation of the excellent and true principles .. is the so-called 
'monitoring' system of the IAA Grant. 
 Statistics .. carefully kept (with the help of MUM and other statistical 
experts) show 
 that it was this 'monitoring' system that mainly (not only) stopped 14 
consecutive
 months (year-on-year) of higher Super Radiance participation dead in its 
tracks 
 in the month of August, 2012, and has resulted in 40 consecutive lower months 
 since it went in 
 

 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 It seems an upper leadership is incredibly isolated.  It’s no wonder the 
leaders and the larger movement community have moved away from each other and 
it has gone the way it has.   Is pitiable really, given the science and 
spirituality at stake.  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 

 

 They have a cultural problem
 
  built in to the guidelines that they use to judge meditators.  We have long 
been losing numbers of meditators faster than they can manufacture them.  It is 
going to take a revolutionary culture change inside the leadership to right 
this.  Can it happen fast enough?  Can culture change happen in the movement at 
the top fast enough to save itself and us? 
 

 upfronter writes:  
 

 Perhaps one reason why there is not 100% attendance is because a lot of people 
do not actually believe that what they are being told in such a matter-of-fact 
way is accurate and factual. 
 

 A meditator continues to meditate because they have a clear and subjectively 
recognisable benefit from doing so. 

 

 It is true in some number of cases that as some people are meditators they are 
are not necessarily interested in doing the 'long' program much anymore.  
Meditators yes, but not doing the TM-sidhis.
 

 But when it moves into the arena of expanded applied Vedic philosophies, as 
nice as these are in creating interests and spawning various communities, it 
appears to some, now with hindsight due to early pioneers, that this is just 
guesswork, wishful thinking or ideological fervour.
 

 

 emptybill writes:
 Fairfield is now the Damascus of Iowa. 
All those duplicitous yajña-s are scams that the devata-s easily see.
Why would they want to come and abide there?

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 It seems a leadership is isolated from its meditaors and so unable to redeem 
itself that the conflict is worst than stalemate and the group meditation 
languishes. By many metrics the movement is running out.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 

 Yep, is a sorry thing to watch those so hopeful and earnest TM ideologues at 
the top of TM and see how they have lost it so badly with the movement.  It 
seems they can’t see it at all and as they would honestly do so they are so 
afraid of making a mistake if they should change anything that they have done, 
 

 seventhray27 writes:

 


 

Funny Andy Griffith Gives Cam Newton Advice On Winning And Losing 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-o79oQJu9Bw 
 
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-o79oQJu9Bw
 
 Funny Andy Griffith Gives Cam Newton Advice On Wi... 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-o79oQJu9Bw Ok Ok Ok so we all know that 
Cam Newton doesn't make an especially 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators Should Come to the Domes the next 4-5 weeks ~ Important time for coherence in consciousness

2016-02-17 Thread dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
It would be good if all of us could participate in group program 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 It would be good, If they can get approval.  

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 The situation is dire. 
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Om! The situation could use a great ‘mediator’ to reconcile some forgiveness 
from both sides, the strict preservationists and the practitioners, to save its 
communal group meditation.   
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 FW:  Secondly, many hundreds, if not thousands, of Sidhas and Governors all 
over the 
 country are convinced that 'the worst', more glaring (and most damaging) 
 example of violation of the excellent and true principles .. is the so-called 
'monitoring' system of the IAA Grant. 
 Statistics .. carefully kept (with the help of MUM and other statistical 
experts) show 
 that it was this 'monitoring' system that mainly (not only) stopped 14 
consecutive
 months (year-on-year) of higher Super Radiance participation dead in its 
tracks 
 in the month of August, 2012, and has resulted in 40 consecutive lower months 
 since it went in 
 

 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 It seems an upper leadership is incredibly isolated.  It’s no wonder the 
leaders and the larger movement community have moved away from each other and 
it has gone the way it has.   Is pitiable really, given the science and 
spirituality at stake.  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 

 

 They have a cultural problem
 
  built in to the guidelines that they use to judge meditators.  We have long 
been losing numbers of meditators faster than they can manufacture them.  It is 
going to take a revolutionary culture change inside the leadership to right 
this.  Can it happen fast enough?  Can culture change happen in the movement at 
the top fast enough to save itself and us? 
 

 upfronter writes:  
 

 Perhaps one reason why there is not 100% attendance is because a lot of people 
do not actually believe that what they are being told in such a matter-of-fact 
way is accurate and factual. 
 

 A meditator continues to meditate because they have a clear and subjectively 
recognisable benefit from doing so. 

 

 It is true in some number of cases that as some people are meditators they are 
are not necessarily interested in doing the 'long' program much anymore.  
Meditators yes, but not doing the TM-sidhis.
 

 But when it moves into the arena of expanded applied Vedic philosophies, as 
nice as these are in creating interests and spawning various communities, it 
appears to some, now with hindsight due to early pioneers, that this is just 
guesswork, wishful thinking or ideological fervour.
 

 

 emptybill writes:
 Fairfield is now the Damascus of Iowa. 
All those duplicitous yajña-s are scams that the devata-s easily see.
Why would they want to come and abide there?

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 It seems a leadership is isolated from its meditaors and so unable to redeem 
itself that the conflict is worst than stalemate and the group meditation 
languishes. By many metrics the movement is running out.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 

 Yep, is a sorry thing to watch those so hopeful and earnest TM ideologues at 
the top of TM and see how they have lost it so badly with the movement.  It 
seems they can’t see it at all and as they would honestly do so they are so 
afraid of making a mistake if they should change anything that they have done, 
 

 seventhray27 writes:

 


 

Funny Andy Griffith Gives Cam Newton Advice On Winning And Losing 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-o79oQJu9Bw 
 
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-o79oQJu9Bw
 
 Funny Andy Griffith Gives Cam Newton Advice On Wi... 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-o79oQJu9Bw Ok Ok Ok so we all know that 
Cam Newton doesn't make an especially effective "Opie" - but the roles are a 
slam dunk for the way Cam Newton has act...


 
 View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-o79oQJu9Bw 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

  

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Who would want to subject themselves to the interrogation of their private 
lives judged against some unknown and unseen guidelines by people judging that 
you don’t even meet in the process?  It is set up to instill a weirdness in the 
group and inject a marinated fear in to the mind of the Dome meditation. 
 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 There’s a communal problem here, in meditators not wanting to go to the Domes 
for that group meditation anymore.  Seems there has been a lot of communal hurt 
and disenfranchisement around the group meditation there.
 


Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators and Hillary's Health: An Issue in 2016?

2014-05-16 Thread fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
I think he who knows nothing was making a reference to the occult, or 
something. Who knows? That is a case of the ego driving the mouth, and anything 
is possible. Beautiful combs!
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :

 That's funny as shit! As I said...
 

 At least Judy thought she knew what Bawee was trying to say in those two 
sentences because I didn't have a clue. Not only was the phrasing strange but 
the concept was stranger still. And Bawee has purportedly written a thesis on 
this forum?! And what sort of accessories does he think we all have that are 
often-unintended? I, for one, love these little hair combs.
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote :

 Comments below...
 
 Especially coming from one of the Maharishi enlightened.
 

 What if what has been described as enlightenment in the past
 has *absolutely nothing* to do with personality or behavior?
 What if, just as those who described it in the past have said,
 it is purely about consciousness, having the ability to directly
 perceive eternality 24/7, and that ability has *absolutely nothing*
 to do with what is going on simultaneously in terms of personality
 and behavior?
 

 --Barry Wright, awhile back on alt.m.t

 
This exchange illustrates my basic thesis on this forum. It REALLY DOESN'T 
MATTER what one *says* about people one doesn't like on FFL. All that matters 
is what the persons saying it do in their posts, as often-unintended 
accessories to what they say.
 

 Very curious to know what Barry believes peopledo in their posts other than 
say things (maybe attach an image or link to an article or YouTube video, but 
other than that?).
 














 







Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators and Hillary's Health: An Issue in 2016?

2014-05-16 Thread authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
I think what Barry means by what [they] do in their posts is the spin he puts 
on what they say, whether that's what they intended or not--e.g., if you or I 
say something negative about Barry, it's because we're trying desperately to 
force him to respond to us. 

 Of course, that cuts both ways--e.g., when Barry gratuitously demeans 
somebody, it's because he's desperately trying to make himself feel Important 
and Superior.
 

 (I do think fleetwood was referring not to those remarks of Barry's but rather 
to the startling quote I found on alt.m.t--now snipped--in which Barry suggests 
that enlightenment has no relationship to behavior.)
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :

 That's funny as shit! As I said...
 

 At least Judy thought she knew what Bawee was trying to say in those two 
sentences because I didn't have a clue. Not only was the phrasing strange but 
the concept was stranger still. And Bawee has purportedly written a thesis on 
this forum?! And what sort of accessories does he think we all have that are 
often-unintended?
 

 (snip)
 
This exchange illustrates my basic thesis on this forum. It REALLY DOESN'T 
MATTER what one *says* about people one doesn't like on FFL. All that matters 
is what the persons saying it do in their posts, as often-unintended 
accessories to what they say.
 

 Very curious to know what Barry believes peopledo in their posts other than 
say things (maybe attach an image or link to an article or YouTube video, but 
other than that?).
 














 









Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators and Hillary's Health: An Issue in 2016?

2014-05-15 Thread nablusoss1008

 It's the way nature use to finish of the life of a Yogi who is needed 
elsewhere. Countless Yogis die this quick way to continue the work in the next 
realm.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

 exactly what I was thinking. that and karma being unfathomable.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote :

 What about people like Ramana Maharishi and Ramakrisna who died of cancer?
 
 On 05/14/2014 05:53 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... 
mailto:fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] wrote:

   Once you know yourself, not just intellectually, but in every way possible, 
unbounded awareness, cancer cannot get a foot hold. Cancer is usually an 
emotional disease, although it eventually manifests physically. Any repressed 
block of emotion can solidify into a cancer.
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... wrote :
 
 Of course destroying words is no solution at all. But just think how the word 
*cancer* can affect people, making their heart race, causing all those fight or 
flight hormones to be released in the body. What is the solution for that?
 
 On Wednesday, May 14, 2014 6:59 AM, anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] 
mailto:anartaxius@...[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
 
   Well, that was a double plus good quotation.

 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
raunchydog@... mailto:raunchydog@... wrote :
 
 Ah ha! Buck wins the battle of semantics but remains powerless to control the 
wild beasts of FFL. Don't give up, Buck. The place wouldn't be the same without 
you.  Do you know that Newspeak is the only language in the world whose 
vocabulary gets smaller every year?...It’s a beautiful thing, the destruction 
of words. Orwell 1984 
 










  









 
 









 
 





Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators and Hillary's Health: An Issue in 2016?

2014-05-15 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
Could they float? 

 Apparently that was a minor test for immortality in Maharishi's eyes: if they 
were well-enoughed established in Unity that they could float whenever they 
wanted, they might be immortal.
 

 

 L
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote :

 What about people like Ramana Maharishi and Ramakrisna who died of cancer?
 
 On 05/14/2014 05:53 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... 
mailto:fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] wrote:

   Once you know yourself, not just intellectually, but in every way possible, 
unbounded awareness, cancer cannot get a foot hold. Cancer is usually an 
emotional disease, although it eventually manifests physically. Any repressed 
block of emotion can solidify into a cancer.
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... wrote :
 
 Of course destroying words is no solution at all. But just think how the word 
*cancer* can affect people, making their heart race, causing all those fight or 
flight hormones to be released in the body. What is the solution for that?
 
 On Wednesday, May 14, 2014 6:59 AM, anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] 
mailto:anartaxius@...[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
 
   Well, that was a double plus good quotation.

 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
raunchydog@... mailto:raunchydog@... wrote :
 
 Ah ha! Buck wins the battle of semantics but remains powerless to control the 
wild beasts of FFL. Don't give up, Buck. The place wouldn't be the same without 
you.  Do you know that Newspeak is the only language in the world whose 
vocabulary gets smaller every year?...It’s a beautiful thing, the destruction 
of words. Orwell 1984 
 










  









 
 









 
 



Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators and Hillary's Health: An Issue in 2016?

2014-05-15 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
From: lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com





  
Could they float?

Apparently that was a minor test for immortality in Maharishi's eyes: if they 
were well-enoughed established in Unity that they could float whenever they 
wanted, they might be immortal.

Trying to ignore the nonsensical nature of the entire theory, I would suggest 
that if you believe in it then you have to admit that Maharishi was never able 
to float (levitate).  

There are no minor tests for immortality. There is only one test, and it's 
fairly major -- if you die, you're not.  :-)




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote :


What about people like Ramana Maharishi
and Ramakrisna who died of cancer?

On 05/14/2014 05:53 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] wrote:

 
Once you know yourself, not just intellectually, but in
every way possible, unbounded awareness, cancer cannot get
a foot hold. Cancer is usually an emotional disease,
although it eventually manifests physically. Any repressed
block of emotion can solidify into a cancer.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :


Of course destroying words is no solution
at all. But just think how the word *cancer* can
affect people, making their heart race, causing
all those fight or flight hormones to be released
in the body. What is the solution for that?

On
Wednesday, May 14, 2014 6:59 AM, anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:

 
Well, that was a double plus
good quotation.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog@... wrote :


Ah
ha! Buck wins the battle of
semantics but remains
powerless to control the wild
beasts of FFL. Don't give up,
Buck. The place wouldn't be
the same without you.  Do
you know that Newspeak is the
only language in the world
whose vocabulary gets smaller
every year?...It’s
a beautiful thing, the
destruction of words. Orwell
1984


 





Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators and Hillary's Health: An Issue in 2016?

2014-05-15 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
Well, there's floating during TM-SIdhis pracice, and then there's floating 
during daily activity. Allegedly someone fully in Unity could perform any and 
all TM-SIdhis at any time, in any circumstance. 

 

 But of course, MMY never demonstrated floating in public that I have heard of 
and never said that he had floated, only that he could if he wanted to.
 

 L
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 From: LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 
 
   Could they float?
 

 Apparently that was a minor test for immortality in Maharishi's eyes: if they 
were well-enoughed established in Unity that they could float whenever they 
wanted, they might be immortal.
 


Trying to ignore the nonsensical nature of the entire theory, I would suggest 
that if you believe in it then you have to admit that Maharishi was never able 
to float (levitate).  

There are no minor tests for immortality. There is only one test, and it's 
fairly major -- if you die, you're not.  :-)


 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote :

 What about people like Ramana Maharishi and Ramakrisna who died of cancer?
 
 On 05/14/2014 05:53 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... 
mailto:fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] wrote:

   Once you know yourself, not just intellectually, but in every way possible, 
unbounded awareness, cancer cannot get a foot hold. Cancer is usually an 
emotional disease, although it eventually manifests physically. Any repressed 
block of emotion can solidify into a cancer.
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... wrote :
 
 Of course destroying words is no solution at all. But just think how the word 
*cancer* can affect people, making their heart race, causing all those fight or 
flight hormones to be released in the body. What is the solution for that?
 
 On Wednesday, May 14, 2014 6:59 AM, anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] 
mailto:anartaxius@...[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
 
   Well, that was a double plus good quotation.

 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
raunchydog@... mailto:raunchydog@... wrote :
 
 Ah ha! Buck wins the battle of semantics but remains powerless to control the 
wild beasts of FFL. Don't give up, Buck. The place wouldn't be the same without 
you.  Do you know that Newspeak is the only language in the world whose 
vocabulary gets smaller every year?...It’s a beautiful thing, the destruction 
of words. Orwell 1984 
 










  









 
 









 



 


 











Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators and Hillary's Health: An Issue in 2016?

2014-05-15 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
From: lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com

To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2014 1:46 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators and Hillary's Health:  An Issue in 
2016?
 


  
Well, there's floating during TM-SIdhis pracice, and then there's floating 
during daily activity. Allegedly someone fully in Unity could perform any and 
all TM-SIdhis at any time, in any circumstance.
And you believe this why?


But of course, MMY never demonstrated floating in public that I have heard of 
and never said that he had floated, only that he could if he wanted to.

Oh, my bad. You believe it because some guy who could never demonstrate it said 
it. :-)



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :


From: LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com



 
Could they float?

Apparently that was a minor test for immortality in Maharishi's eyes: if they 
were well-enoughed established in Unity that they could float whenever they 
wanted, they might be immortal.

Trying to ignore the nonsensical nature of the entire theory, I would suggest 
that if you believe in it then you have to admit that Maharishi was never able 
to float (levitate).  

There are no minor tests for immortality. There is only one test, and it's 
fairly major -- if you die, you're not.  :-)




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote :


What about people like Ramana Maharishi
and Ramakrisna who died of cancer?

On 05/14/2014 05:53 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] wrote:

 
Once you know yourself, not just intellectually, but in
every way possible, unbounded awareness, cancer cannot get
a foot hold. Cancer is usually an emotional disease,
although it eventually manifests physically. Any repressed
block of emotion can solidify into a cancer.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :


Of course destroying words is no solution
at all. But just think how the word *cancer* can
affect people, making their heart race, causing
all those fight or flight hormones to be released
in the body. What is the solution for that?

On
Wednesday, May 14, 2014 6:59 AM, anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:

 
Well, that was a double plus
good quotation.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog@... wrote :


Ah
ha! Buck wins the battle of
semantics but remains
powerless to control the wild
beasts of FFL. Don't give up,
Buck. The place wouldn't be
the same without you.  Do
you know that Newspeak is the
only language in the world
whose vocabulary gets smaller
every year?...It’s
a beautiful thing, the
destruction of words. Orwell
1984


 







Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators and Hillary's Health: An Issue in 2016?

2014-05-15 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com



From: lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com

  
Well, there's floating during TM-SIdhis pracice, and then there's floating 
during daily activity. Allegedly someone fully in Unity could perform any and 
all TM-SIdhis at any time, in any circumstance.

And you believe this why?


But of course, MMY never demonstrated floating in public that I have heard of 
and never said that he had floated, only that he could if he wanted to.

Oh, my bad. You believe it because some guy who could never demonstrate it said 
it. :-)


Just as an additional point, haven't you seen the reports that many of these 
statements about immortality were spoken by a guy on videotapes that were 
filmed in the last few years of his life as he was lying prone on his bed, 
using a special (and rather deceptive) apparatus that made it appear as if he 
was sitting up. If you actually believe what he was purported to say about his 
ability to levitate, why couldn't he have just levitated over to the lecture 
hall and given these talks in person, and while actually sitting up? For that 
matter, if you believe that he was actually able to levitate and that there is 
some relationship between this and immortality, why did he die? We'll wait...  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators and Hillary's Health: An Issue in 2016?

2014-05-15 Thread authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Did you miss the word allegedly, Barry? It is not a synonym for I 
believe... 
 
   Well, there's floating during TM-SIdhis pracice, and then there's floating 
during daily activity. Allegedly someone fully in Unity could perform any and 
all TM-SIdhis at any time, in any circumstance.
 And you believe this why?

 

 But of course, MMY never demonstrated floating in public that I have heard of 
and never said that he had floated, only that he could if he wanted to.
 

 Oh, my bad. You believe it because some guy who could never demonstrate it 
said it. :-)

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 From: LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 
   Could they float?
 

 Apparently that was a minor test for immortality in Maharishi's eyes: if they 
were well-enoughed established in Unity that they could float whenever they 
wanted, they might be immortal.
 


Trying to ignore the nonsensical nature of the entire theory, I would suggest 
that if you believe in it then you have to admit that Maharishi was never able 
to float (levitate).  

There are no minor tests for immortality. There is only one test, and it's 
fairly major -- if you die, you're not.  :-)

























Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators and Hillary's Health: An Issue in 2016?

2014-05-15 Thread authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
You'll wait forever, given that Lawson never said he believed it. The rest of 
us will just laugh at you and go on about our business (so you can strike the 
we and just use I). 

 















Just as an additional point, haven't you seen the reports that many of these 
statements about immortality were spoken by a guy on videotapes that were 
filmed in the last few years of his life as he was lying prone on his bed, 
using a special (and rather deceptive) apparatus that made it appear as if he 
was sitting up. If you actually believe what he was purported to say about his 
ability to levitate, why couldn't he have just levitated over to the lecture 
hall and given these talks in person, and while actually sitting up? For that 
matter, if you believe that he was actually able to levitate and that there is 
some relationship between this and immortality, why did he die? We'll wait...  











Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators and Hillary's Health: An Issue in 2016?

2014-05-15 Thread fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Sorry dude, this distraction thing doesn't work for many of us any more. 
 

 Maharishi has been dead a long time now. You apparently have only 
witnessed for about two weeks, out of your whole life. I, and countless others, 
do it 24x7, and have now, for years and years - it is an established way of 
functioning.  We don't endlessly bitch and whine about this teacher, or that, 
because we are enjoying a full spiritual life.
 

 You, on the other hand, with your Two Weeks Of Witnessing Lifetime Achievement 
Award, wring your hands and raise the alarm continuously, about a teacher who 
passed away many years ago, to distract yourself from your weak and shallow 
spiritual life. TWO weeks witnessing, total, total? I wouldn't even admit that, 
if I were you.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 
 From: LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
   Well, there's floating during TM-SIdhis pracice, and then there's floating 
during daily activity. Allegedly someone fully in Unity could perform any and 
all TM-SIdhis at any time, in any circumstance.
 
And you believe this why?

 

 But of course, MMY never demonstrated floating in public that I have heard of 
and never said that he had floated, only that he could if he wanted to.
 

 Oh, my bad. You believe it because some guy who could never demonstrate it 
said it. :-)

 
















Just as an additional point, haven't you seen the reports that many of these 
statements about immortality were spoken by a guy on videotapes that were 
filmed in the last few years of his life as he was lying prone on his bed, 
using a special (and rather deceptive) apparatus that made it appear as if he 
was sitting up. If you actually believe what he was purported to say about his 
ability to levitate, why couldn't he have just levitated over to the lecture 
hall and given these talks in person, and while actually sitting up? For that 
matter, if you believe that he was actually able to levitate and that there is 
some relationship between this and immortality, why did he die? We'll wait...  










Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators and Hillary's Health: An Issue in 2016?

2014-05-15 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 
 It's the way nature use to finish of the life of a Yogi who is needed 
elsewhere. Countless Yogis die this quick way to continue the work in the next 
realm.
 

 There are much quicker ways to die than cancer. Like getting hit by a car, 
train, plane crash, falling down a very deep well - the ways are endless. 
Cancer can take a long time. I'd prefer a guillotine myself, that would be my 
preferred mode of death.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

 exactly what I was thinking. that and karma being unfathomable.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote :

 What about people like Ramana Maharishi and Ramakrisna who died of cancer?
 
 On 05/14/2014 05:53 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... 
mailto:fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] wrote:

   Once you know yourself, not just intellectually, but in every way possible, 
unbounded awareness, cancer cannot get a foot hold. Cancer is usually an 
emotional disease, although it eventually manifests physically. Any repressed 
block of emotion can solidify into a cancer.
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... wrote :
 
 Of course destroying words is no solution at all. But just think how the word 
*cancer* can affect people, making their heart race, causing all those fight or 
flight hormones to be released in the body. What is the solution for that?
 
 On Wednesday, May 14, 2014 6:59 AM, anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] 
mailto:anartaxius@...[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
 
   Well, that was a double plus good quotation.

 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
raunchydog@... mailto:raunchydog@... wrote :
 
 Ah ha! Buck wins the battle of semantics but remains powerless to control the 
wild beasts of FFL. Don't give up, Buck. The place wouldn't be the same without 
you.  Do you know that Newspeak is the only language in the world whose 
vocabulary gets smaller every year?...It’s a beautiful thing, the destruction 
of words. Orwell 1984 
 










  









 
 









 
 







Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators and Hillary's Health: An Issue in 2016?

2014-05-15 Thread nablusoss1008
So you think a Yogi would be hit by a train in a cave, or commit suicide by 
jumping in front of a car ?
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 
 It's the way nature use to finish of the life of a Yogi who is needed 
elsewhere. Countless Yogis die this quick way to continue the work in the next 
realm.
 

 There are much quicker ways to die than cancer. Like getting hit by a car, 
train, plane crash, falling down a very deep well - the ways are endless. 
Cancer can take a long time. I'd prefer a guillotine myself, that would be my 
preferred mode of death.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

 exactly what I was thinking. that and karma being unfathomable.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote :

 What about people like Ramana Maharishi and Ramakrisna who died of cancer?
 
 On 05/14/2014 05:53 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... 
mailto:fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] wrote:

   Once you know yourself, not just intellectually, but in every way possible, 
unbounded awareness, cancer cannot get a foot hold. Cancer is usually an 
emotional disease, although it eventually manifests physically. Any repressed 
block of emotion can solidify into a cancer.
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... wrote :
 
 Of course destroying words is no solution at all. But just think how the word 
*cancer* can affect people, making their heart race, causing all those fight or 
flight hormones to be released in the body. What is the solution for that?
 
 On Wednesday, May 14, 2014 6:59 AM, anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] 
mailto:anartaxius@...[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
 
   Well, that was a double plus good quotation.

 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
raunchydog@... mailto:raunchydog@... wrote :
 
 Ah ha! Buck wins the battle of semantics but remains powerless to control the 
wild beasts of FFL. Don't give up, Buck. The place wouldn't be the same without 
you.  Do you know that Newspeak is the only language in the world whose 
vocabulary gets smaller every year?...It’s a beautiful thing, the destruction 
of words. Orwell 1984 
 










  









 
 









 
 









Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators and Hillary's Health: An Issue in 2016?

2014-05-15 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 So you think a Yogi would be hit by a train in a cave, or commit suicide by 
jumping in front of a car ?
 

 So you think yogi's live their whole life sitting down in a cave? I'm sure 
they would've had to have ventured out to the outhouse once in a while and who 
knows what lions and tigers and bears (oh my!) might have existed waiting to 
tear them apart of what precipices might have been in the vicinity for them to 
tumble off of. Expand the possibilities, old boy.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 
 It's the way nature use to finish of the life of a Yogi who is needed 
elsewhere. Countless Yogis die this quick way to continue the work in the next 
realm.
 

 There are much quicker ways to die than cancer. Like getting hit by a car, 
train, plane crash, falling down a very deep well - the ways are endless. 
Cancer can take a long time. I'd prefer a guillotine myself, that would be my 
preferred mode of death.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

 exactly what I was thinking. that and karma being unfathomable.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote :

 What about people like Ramana Maharishi and Ramakrisna who died of cancer?
 
 On 05/14/2014 05:53 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... 
mailto:fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] wrote:

   Once you know yourself, not just intellectually, but in every way possible, 
unbounded awareness, cancer cannot get a foot hold. Cancer is usually an 
emotional disease, although it eventually manifests physically. Any repressed 
block of emotion can solidify into a cancer.
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... wrote :
 
 Of course destroying words is no solution at all. But just think how the word 
*cancer* can affect people, making their heart race, causing all those fight or 
flight hormones to be released in the body. What is the solution for that?
 
 On Wednesday, May 14, 2014 6:59 AM, anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] 
mailto:anartaxius@...[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
 
   Well, that was a double plus good quotation.

 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
raunchydog@... mailto:raunchydog@... wrote :
 
 Ah ha! Buck wins the battle of semantics but remains powerless to control the 
wild beasts of FFL. Don't give up, Buck. The place wouldn't be the same without 
you.  Do you know that Newspeak is the only language in the world whose 
vocabulary gets smaller every year?...It’s a beautiful thing, the destruction 
of words. Orwell 1984 
 










  









 
 









 
 











Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators and Hillary's Health: An Issue in 2016?

2014-05-15 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote :

 Well, there's floating during TM-SIdhis pracice, and then there's floating 
during daily activity. Allegedly someone fully in Unity could perform any and 
all TM-SIdhis at any time, in any circumstance. 

 

 But of course, MMY never demonstrated floating in public that I have heard of 
and never said that he had floated, only that he could if he wanted to.
 

 I personally think this levitation thing is overrated. I'm happy when I just 
witness someone being kind or generous or interesting. The only floaters I've 
ever seen (and are likely to see) are in my own toilet bowl. That's it! I guess 
Rama was just one big turd in the toilet bowl of life. 
 

 L
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 From: LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 
 
   Could they float?
 

 Apparently that was a minor test for immortality in Maharishi's eyes: if they 
were well-enoughed established in Unity that they could float whenever they 
wanted, they might be immortal.
 


Trying to ignore the nonsensical nature of the entire theory, I would suggest 
that if you believe in it then you have to admit that Maharishi was never able 
to float (levitate).  

There are no minor tests for immortality. There is only one test, and it's 
fairly major -- if you die, you're not.  :-)


 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote :

 What about people like Ramana Maharishi and Ramakrisna who died of cancer?
 
 On 05/14/2014 05:53 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... 
mailto:fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] wrote:

   Once you know yourself, not just intellectually, but in every way possible, 
unbounded awareness, cancer cannot get a foot hold. Cancer is usually an 
emotional disease, although it eventually manifests physically. Any repressed 
block of emotion can solidify into a cancer.
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... wrote :
 
 Of course destroying words is no solution at all. But just think how the word 
*cancer* can affect people, making their heart race, causing all those fight or 
flight hormones to be released in the body. What is the solution for that?
 
 On Wednesday, May 14, 2014 6:59 AM, anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] 
mailto:anartaxius@...[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
 
   Well, that was a double plus good quotation.

 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
raunchydog@... mailto:raunchydog@... wrote :
 
 Ah ha! Buck wins the battle of semantics but remains powerless to control the 
wild beasts of FFL. Don't give up, Buck. The place wouldn't be the same without 
you.  Do you know that Newspeak is the only language in the world whose 
vocabulary gets smaller every year?...It’s a beautiful thing, the destruction 
of words. Orwell 1984 
 










  









 
 









 



 


 













Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators and Hillary's Health: An Issue in 2016?

2014-05-15 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote :

 You'll wait forever, given that Lawson never said he believed it. The rest of 
us will just laugh at you and go on about our business (so you can strike the 
we and just use I).
 

 I think Bawee's still miffed that the guy he believed could levitate at will 
was still a fucked up, sad human being who ended his life so stoned out of his 
mind that he found out, to his dismay, that although he could levitate he 
couldn't, in the end, even swim.
 

 















Just as an additional point, haven't you seen the reports that many of these 
statements about immortality were spoken by a guy on videotapes that were 
filmed in the last few years of his life as he was lying prone on his bed, 
using a special (and rather deceptive) apparatus that made it appear as if he 
was sitting up. If you actually believe what he was purported to say about his 
ability to levitate, why couldn't he have just levitated over to the lecture 
hall and given these talks in person, and while actually sitting up? For that 
matter, if you believe that he was actually able to levitate and that there is 
some relationship between this and immortality, why did he die? We'll wait...  













Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators and Hillary's Health: An Issue in 2016?

2014-05-15 Thread nablusoss1008

 One would think that someone posting here at least knew that committing 
suicide is a crime against oneself. Apparently I was wrong. Time to expand your 
possibilities of what might be right and wrong, old gal ?

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 So you think a Yogi would be hit by a train in a cave, or commit suicide by 
jumping in front of a car ?
 

 So you think yogi's live their whole life sitting down in a cave? I'm sure 
they would've had to have ventured out to the outhouse once in a while and who 
knows what lions and tigers and bears (oh my!) might have existed waiting to 
tear them apart of what precipices might have been in the vicinity for them to 
tumble off of. Expand the possibilities, old boy.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 
 It's the way nature use to finish of the life of a Yogi who is needed 
elsewhere. Countless Yogis die this quick way to continue the work in the next 
realm.
 

 There are much quicker ways to die than cancer. Like getting hit by a car, 
train, plane crash, falling down a very deep well - the ways are endless. 
Cancer can take a long time. I'd prefer a guillotine myself, that would be my 
preferred mode of death.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

 exactly what I was thinking. that and karma being unfathomable.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote :

 What about people like Ramana Maharishi and Ramakrisna who died of cancer?
 
 On 05/14/2014 05:53 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... 
mailto:fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] wrote:

   Once you know yourself, not just intellectually, but in every way possible, 
unbounded awareness, cancer cannot get a foot hold. Cancer is usually an 
emotional disease, although it eventually manifests physically. Any repressed 
block of emotion can solidify into a cancer.
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... wrote :
 
 Of course destroying words is no solution at all. But just think how the word 
*cancer* can affect people, making their heart race, causing all those fight or 
flight hormones to be released in the body. What is the solution for that?
 
 On Wednesday, May 14, 2014 6:59 AM, anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] 
mailto:anartaxius@...[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
 
   Well, that was a double plus good quotation.

 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
raunchydog@... mailto:raunchydog@... wrote :
 
 Ah ha! Buck wins the battle of semantics but remains powerless to control the 
wild beasts of FFL. Don't give up, Buck. The place wouldn't be the same without 
you.  Do you know that Newspeak is the only language in the world whose 
vocabulary gets smaller every year?...It’s a beautiful thing, the destruction 
of words. Orwell 1984 
 










  









 
 









 
 













Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators and Hillary's Health: An Issue in 2016?

2014-05-15 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 
 One would think that someone posting here at least knew that committing 
suicide is a crime against oneself. Apparently I was wrong. Time to expand your 
possibilities of what might be right and wrong, old gal ?
 

 I'm not sure where you got the idea I was talking about suicide. You can get 
hit by a moving object or meet all sorts of untimely ends by mistake. I said 
falling down a well not throwing yourself down one for example. My reference 
to a guillotine had to do with a really quick and probably painless way to die 
but I haven't ordered mine yet from any online store, I'll probably get kicked 
in the head by some grumpy horse before that...

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 So you think a Yogi would be hit by a train in a cave, or commit suicide by 
jumping in front of a car ?
 

 So you think yogi's live their whole life sitting down in a cave? I'm sure 
they would've had to have ventured out to the outhouse once in a while and who 
knows what lions and tigers and bears (oh my!) might have existed waiting to 
tear them apart of what precipices might have been in the vicinity for them to 
tumble off of. Expand the possibilities, old boy.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 
 It's the way nature use to finish of the life of a Yogi who is needed 
elsewhere. Countless Yogis die this quick way to continue the work in the next 
realm.
 

 There are much quicker ways to die than cancer. Like getting hit by a car, 
train, plane crash, falling down a very deep well - the ways are endless. 
Cancer can take a long time. I'd prefer a guillotine myself, that would be my 
preferred mode of death.

 
 















Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators and Hillary's Health: An Issue in 2016?

2014-05-15 Thread nablusoss1008

 Yogis don't commit fatal mistakes. One would think that someone posting here 
knew the basics.
 One would think that some
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :


 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 
 One would think that someone posting here at least knew that committing 
suicide is a crime against oneself. Apparently I was wrong. Time to expand your 
possibilities of what might be right and wrong, old gal ?
 

 I'm not sure where you got the idea I was talking about suicide. You can get 
hit by a moving object or meet all sorts of untimely ends by mistake. I said 
falling down a well not throwing yourself down one for example. My reference 
to a guillotine had to do with a really quick and probably painless way to die 
but I haven't ordered mine yet from any online store, I'll probably get kicked 
in the head by some grumpy horse before that...

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 So you think a Yogi would be hit by a train in a cave, or commit suicide by 
jumping in front of a car ?
 

 So you think yogi's live their whole life sitting down in a cave? I'm sure 
they would've had to have ventured out to the outhouse once in a while and who 
knows what lions and tigers and bears (oh my!) might have existed waiting to 
tear them apart of what precipices might have been in the vicinity for them to 
tumble off of. Expand the possibilities, old boy.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 
 It's the way nature use to finish of the life of a Yogi who is needed 
elsewhere. Countless Yogis die this quick way to continue the work in the next 
realm.
 

 There are much quicker ways to die than cancer. Like getting hit by a car, 
train, plane crash, falling down a very deep well - the ways are endless. 
Cancer can take a long time. I'd prefer a guillotine myself, that would be my 
preferred mode of death.

 
 
















Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators and Hillary's Health: An Issue in 2016?

2014-05-15 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :

 Sorry dude, this distraction thing doesn't work for many of us any more. 
 

 Maharishi has been dead a long time now. You apparently have only 
witnessed for about two weeks, out of your whole life. I, and countless others, 
do it 24x7, and have now, for years and years - it is an established way of 
functioning.  We don't endlessly bitch and whine about this teacher, or that, 
because we are enjoying a full spiritual life.
 

 You, on the other hand, with your Two Weeks Of Witnessing Lifetime Achievement 
Award, wring your hands and raise the alarm continuously, about a teacher who 
passed away many years ago, to distract yourself from your weak and shallow 
spiritual life. TWO weeks witnessing, total, total? I wouldn't even admit that, 
if I were you.
 

 Ah, but he did take a friend through the great city of Amsterdam the other 
week and the two of them travelled from dimension to dimension, through reality 
to other reality all the while clopping along in their cute wooden shoes 
reminiscing about Rama days. Surely that counts for something? I think he said 
he was going to write a 70's genre song about it, complete with new age lyrics 
and there was going to be a video made, with singers and dancers dressed in 
high waisted, tight pants, billowing shirts and hair styles incorporating Afros 
and pony tails. I am looking forward to that video because I know Bawee must 
have some hidden talents that we are all, as of yet, unaware of. I'm sure he is 
a great choreographer, producer, cameraman and dancer. 
 

 

 

 

 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 
 From: LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
   Well, there's floating during TM-SIdhis pracice, and then there's floating 
during daily activity. Allegedly someone fully in Unity could perform any and 
all TM-SIdhis at any time, in any circumstance.
 
And you believe this why?

 

 But of course, MMY never demonstrated floating in public that I have heard of 
and never said that he had floated, only that he could if he wanted to.
 

 Oh, my bad. You believe it because some guy who could never demonstrate it 
said it. :-)

 
















Just as an additional point, haven't you seen the reports that many of these 
statements about immortality were spoken by a guy on videotapes that were 
filmed in the last few years of his life as he was lying prone on his bed, 
using a special (and rather deceptive) apparatus that made it appear as if he 
was sitting up. If you actually believe what he was purported to say about his 
ability to levitate, why couldn't he have just levitated over to the lecture 
hall and given these talks in person, and while actually sitting up? For that 
matter, if you believe that he was actually able to levitate and that there is 
some relationship between this and immortality, why did he die? We'll wait...  












Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators and Hillary's Health: An Issue in 2016?

2014-05-15 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 
 Yogis don't commit fatal mistakes. 
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 One would think that someone posting here knew the basics.
 One would think that some
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :


 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 
 One would think that someone posting here at least knew that committing 
suicide is a crime against oneself. Apparently I was wrong. Time to expand your 
possibilities of what might be right and wrong, old gal ?
 

 I'm not sure where you got the idea I was talking about suicide. You can get 
hit by a moving object or meet all sorts of untimely ends by mistake. I said 
falling down a well not throwing yourself down one for example. My reference 
to a guillotine had to do with a really quick and probably painless way to die 
but I haven't ordered mine yet from any online store, I'll probably get kicked 
in the head by some grumpy horse before that...

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 So you think a Yogi would be hit by a train in a cave, or commit suicide by 
jumping in front of a car ?
 

 So you think yogi's live their whole life sitting down in a cave? I'm sure 
they would've had to have ventured out to the outhouse once in a while and who 
knows what lions and tigers and bears (oh my!) might have existed waiting to 
tear them apart of what precipices might have been in the vicinity for them to 
tumble off of. Expand the possibilities, old boy.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 
 It's the way nature use to finish of the life of a Yogi who is needed 
elsewhere. Countless Yogis die this quick way to continue the work in the next 
realm.
 

 There are much quicker ways to die than cancer. Like getting hit by a car, 
train, plane crash, falling down a very deep well - the ways are endless. 
Cancer can take a long time. I'd prefer a guillotine myself, that would be my 
preferred mode of death.

 
 


















Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators and Hillary's Health: An Issue in 2016?

2014-05-15 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 
 Yogis don't commit fatal mistakes. 
 

 Don't be so sure, Jellystone Park is full of danger and Yogi is stepping out 
to do his business in the woods. 
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 One would think that someone posting here knew the basics.
 One would think that some
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :


 
 

 
 




















Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators and Hillary's Health: An Issue in 2016?

2014-05-15 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
I'm sorry, did you miss the word allegedly? 

 L
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 From: LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2014 1:46 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators and Hillary's Health: An Issue in 
2016?
 
 
   Well, there's floating during TM-SIdhis pracice, and then there's floating 
during daily activity. Allegedly someone fully in Unity could perform any and 
all TM-SIdhis at any time, in any circumstance.
 And you believe this why?

 

 But of course, MMY never demonstrated floating in public that I have heard of 
and never said that he had floated, only that he could if he wanted to.
 

 Oh, my bad. You believe it because some guy who could never demonstrate it 
said it. :-)

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 From: LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 
   Could they float?
 

 Apparently that was a minor test for immortality in Maharishi's eyes: if they 
were well-enoughed established in Unity that they could float whenever they 
wanted, they might be immortal.
 


Trying to ignore the nonsensical nature of the entire theory, I would suggest 
that if you believe in it then you have to admit that Maharishi was never able 
to float (levitate).  

There are no minor tests for immortality. There is only one test, and it's 
fairly major -- if you die, you're not.  :-)


 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote :

 What about people like Ramana Maharishi and Ramakrisna who died of cancer?
 
 On 05/14/2014 05:53 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... 
mailto:fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] wrote:

   Once you know yourself, not just intellectually, but in every way possible, 
unbounded awareness, cancer cannot get a foot hold. Cancer is usually an 
emotional disease, although it eventually manifests physically. Any repressed 
block of emotion can solidify into a cancer.
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... wrote :
 
 Of course destroying words is no solution at all. But just think how the word 
*cancer* can affect people, making their heart race, causing all those fight or 
flight hormones to be released in the body. What is the solution for that?
 
 On Wednesday, May 14, 2014 6:59 AM, anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] 
mailto:anartaxius@...[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
 
   Well, that was a double plus good quotation.

 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
raunchydog@... mailto:raunchydog@... wrote :
 
 Ah ha! Buck wins the battle of semantics but remains powerless to control the 
wild beasts of FFL. Don't give up, Buck. The place wouldn't be the same without 
you.  Do you know that Newspeak is the only language in the world whose 
vocabulary gets smaller every year?...It’s a beautiful thing, the destruction 
of words. Orwell 1984 
 










  









 
 









 



 













 


 











Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators and Hillary's Health: An Issue in 2016?

2014-05-15 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
I hadn't heard that about him pretending to sit upright. 

 Sad, if true, but what does that have to do with our discussion?
 

 Are you under teh impression that I think that Maharishi was in perfect 
health, especially by HIS definition, where someone in perfect health would 
automatically enlighten the entire world?
 

 

 L


Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators and Hillary's Health: An Issue in 2016?

2014-05-15 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
From: lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com

To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2014 5:16 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators and Hillary's Health:  An Issue in 
2016?
 


  
I'm sorry, did you miss the word allegedly?

Why even mention it, unless you consider it within the realm of possibility? My 
replies assumed you do. If you do not, consider them rhetorical questions. :-) 



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :


From: LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com

To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2014 1:46 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators and
Hillary's Health:  An Issue in 2016?



 
Well, there's floating during TM-SIdhis pracice, and then there's floating 
during daily activity. Allegedly someone fully in Unity could perform any and 
all TM-SIdhis at any time, in any circumstance.
And you believe this why?


But of course, MMY never demonstrated floating in public that I have heard of 
and never said that he had floated, only that he could if he wanted to.

Oh, my bad. You believe it because some guy who could never demonstrate it said 
it. :-)



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :


From: LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com



 
Could they float?

Apparently that was a minor test for immortality in Maharishi's eyes: if they 
were well-enoughed established in Unity that they could float whenever they 
wanted, they might be immortal.

Trying to ignore the nonsensical nature of the entire theory, I would suggest 
that if you believe in it then you have to admit that Maharishi was never able 
to float (levitate).  

There are no minor tests for immortality. There is only one test, and it's 
fairly major -- if you die, you're not.  :-)




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote :


What about people like Ramana Maharishi
and Ramakrisna who died of cancer?

On 05/14/2014 05:53 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] wrote:

 
Once you know yourself, not just intellectually, but in
every way possible, unbounded awareness, cancer cannot get
a foot hold. Cancer is usually an emotional disease,
although it eventually manifests physically. Any repressed
block of emotion can solidify into a cancer.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :


Of course destroying words is no solution
at all. But just think how the word *cancer* can
affect people, making their heart race, causing
all those fight or flight hormones to be released
in the body. What is the solution for that?

On
Wednesday, May 14, 2014 6:59 AM, anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:

 
Well, that was a double plus
good quotation.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog@... wrote :


Ah
ha! Buck wins the battle of
semantics but remains
powerless to control the wild
beasts of FFL. Don't give up,
Buck. The place wouldn't be
the same without you.  Do
you know that Newspeak is the
only language in the world
whose vocabulary gets smaller
every year?...It’s
a beautiful thing, the
destruction of words. Orwell
1984


 









Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators and Hillary's Health: An Issue in 2016?

2014-05-15 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
Eh, well, it would be very exciting should it ever be proven to exist, for many 
reasons. 

 Of course, if it is some arbitrary non-TMer, who ends up floating and it turns 
out to have nothing to do with spiritual growth ala TM, then I'd be sad on one 
level and excited on another.
 

 

 L
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote :

 Well, there's floating during TM-SIdhis pracice, and then there's floating 
during daily activity. Allegedly someone fully in Unity could perform any and 
all TM-SIdhis at any time, in any circumstance. 

 

 But of course, MMY never demonstrated floating in public that I have heard of 
and never said that he had floated, only that he could if he wanted to.
 

 I personally think this levitation thing is overrated. I'm happy when I just 
witness someone being kind or generous or interesting. The only floaters I've 
ever seen (and are likely to see) are in my own toilet bowl. That's it! I guess 
Rama was just one big turd in the toilet bowl of life. 
 

 L
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 From: LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 
 
   Could they float?
 

 Apparently that was a minor test for immortality in Maharishi's eyes: if they 
were well-enoughed established in Unity that they could float whenever they 
wanted, they might be immortal.
 


Trying to ignore the nonsensical nature of the entire theory, I would suggest 
that if you believe in it then you have to admit that Maharishi was never able 
to float (levitate).  

There are no minor tests for immortality. There is only one test, and it's 
fairly major -- if you die, you're not.  :-)


 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote :

 What about people like Ramana Maharishi and Ramakrisna who died of cancer?
 
 On 05/14/2014 05:53 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... 
mailto:fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] wrote:

   Once you know yourself, not just intellectually, but in every way possible, 
unbounded awareness, cancer cannot get a foot hold. Cancer is usually an 
emotional disease, although it eventually manifests physically. Any repressed 
block of emotion can solidify into a cancer.
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... wrote :
 
 Of course destroying words is no solution at all. But just think how the word 
*cancer* can affect people, making their heart race, causing all those fight or 
flight hormones to be released in the body. What is the solution for that?
 
 On Wednesday, May 14, 2014 6:59 AM, anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] 
mailto:anartaxius@...[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
 
   Well, that was a double plus good quotation.

 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
raunchydog@... mailto:raunchydog@... wrote :
 
 Ah ha! Buck wins the battle of semantics but remains powerless to control the 
wild beasts of FFL. Don't give up, Buck. The place wouldn't be the same without 
you.  Do you know that Newspeak is the only language in the world whose 
vocabulary gets smaller every year?...It’s a beautiful thing, the destruction 
of words. Orwell 1984 
 










  









 
 









 



 


 















Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators and Hillary's Health: An Issue in 2016?

2014-05-15 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
Samadhier than the average bear... 

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 
 Yogis don't commit fatal mistakes. 
 

 Don't be so sure, Jellystone Park is full of danger and Yogi is stepping out 
to do his business in the woods. 
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 One would think that someone posting here knew the basics.
 One would think that some
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :


 
 

 
 























Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators and Hillary's Health: An Issue in 2016?

2014-05-15 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
I'd like it to be within the realm of possibility, wouldn't you? 

 Wait, you're convinced that
 

 1) you've already seen floating;
 

 2) it has nothing to do with spirituality, even when in the context of the 
TM-Sidhis.
 

 

 L
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 From: LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2014 5:16 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators and Hillary's Health: An Issue in 
2016?
 
 
   I'm sorry, did you miss the word allegedly?
 

 Why even mention it, unless you consider it within the realm of possibility? 
My replies assumed you do. If you do not, consider them rhetorical questions. 
:-) 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 From: LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2014 1:46 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators and Hillary's Health: An Issue in 
2016?
 
 
   Well, there's floating during TM-SIdhis pracice, and then there's floating 
during daily activity. Allegedly someone fully in Unity could perform any and 
all TM-SIdhis at any time, in any circumstance.
 And you believe this why?

 

 But of course, MMY never demonstrated floating in public that I have heard of 
and never said that he had floated, only that he could if he wanted to.
 

 Oh, my bad. You believe it because some guy who could never demonstrate it 
said it. :-)

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 From: LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 
   Could they float?
 

 Apparently that was a minor test for immortality in Maharishi's eyes: if they 
were well-enoughed established in Unity that they could float whenever they 
wanted, they might be immortal.
 


Trying to ignore the nonsensical nature of the entire theory, I would suggest 
that if you believe in it then you have to admit that Maharishi was never able 
to float (levitate).  

There are no minor tests for immortality. There is only one test, and it's 
fairly major -- if you die, you're not.  :-)


 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote :

 What about people like Ramana Maharishi and Ramakrisna who died of cancer?
 
 On 05/14/2014 05:53 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... 
mailto:fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] wrote:

   Once you know yourself, not just intellectually, but in every way possible, 
unbounded awareness, cancer cannot get a foot hold. Cancer is usually an 
emotional disease, although it eventually manifests physically. Any repressed 
block of emotion can solidify into a cancer.
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... wrote :
 
 Of course destroying words is no solution at all. But just think how the word 
*cancer* can affect people, making their heart race, causing all those fight or 
flight hormones to be released in the body. What is the solution for that?
 
 On Wednesday, May 14, 2014 6:59 AM, anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] 
mailto:anartaxius@...[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
 
   Well, that was a double plus good quotation.

 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
raunchydog@... mailto:raunchydog@... wrote :
 
 Ah ha! Buck wins the battle of semantics but remains powerless to control the 
wild beasts of FFL. Don't give up, Buck. The place wouldn't be the same without 
you.  Do you know that Newspeak is the only language in the world whose 
vocabulary gets smaller every year?...It’s a beautiful thing, the destruction 
of words. Orwell 1984 
 










  









 
 









 



 













 













 


 











Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators and Hillary's Health: An Issue in 2016?

2014-05-15 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
From: lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com





  
Eh, well, it would be very exciting should it ever be proven to exist, for many 
reasons.

Of course, if it is some arbitrary non-TMer, who ends up floating and it turns 
out to have nothing to do with spiritual growth ala TM, then I'd be sad on one 
level and excited on another.


Ahem. That sadness identifies you more of a will to believe person than a 
wish to find out person. If you were the latter, there would be no 
possibility of sadness or disappointment, n'est-ce pas? 



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :






---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote :


Well, there's floating during TM-SIdhis pracice, and then there's floating 
during daily activity. Allegedly someone fully in Unity could perform any and 
all TM-SIdhis at any time, in any circumstance.


But of course, MMY never demonstrated floating in public that I have heard of 
and never said that he had floated, only that he could if he wanted to.

I personally think this levitation thing is overrated. I'm happy when I just 
witness someone being kind or generous or interesting. The only floaters I've 
ever seen (and are likely to see) are in my own toilet bowl. That's it! I guess 
Rama was just one big turd in the toilet bowl of life. 

L


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :


From: LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com





 
Could they float?

Apparently that was a minor test for immortality in Maharishi's eyes: if they 
were well-enoughed established in Unity that they could float whenever they 
wanted, they might be immortal.

Trying to ignore the nonsensical nature of the entire theory, I would suggest 
that if you believe in it then you have to admit that Maharishi was never able 
to float (levitate).  

There are no minor tests for immortality. There is only one test, and it's 
fairly major -- if you die, you're not.  :-)




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote :


What about people like Ramana Maharishi
and Ramakrisna who died of cancer?

On 05/14/2014 05:53 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] wrote:

 
Once you know yourself, not just intellectually, but in
every way possible, unbounded awareness, cancer cannot get
a foot hold. Cancer is usually an emotional disease,
although it eventually manifests physically. Any repressed
block of emotion can solidify into a cancer.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :


Of course destroying words is no solution
at all. But just think how the word *cancer* can
affect people, making their heart race, causing
all those fight or flight hormones to be released
in the body. What is the solution for that?

On
Wednesday, May 14, 2014 6:59 AM, anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:

 
Well, that was a double plus
good quotation.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog@... wrote :


Ah
ha! Buck wins the battle of
semantics but remains
powerless to control the wild
beasts of FFL. Don't give up,
Buck. The place wouldn't be
the same without you.  Do
you know that Newspeak is the
only language in the world
whose vocabulary gets smaller
every year?...It’s
a beautiful thing, the
destruction of words. Orwell
1984


 







Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators and Hillary's Health: An Issue in 2016?

2014-05-15 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
From: lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com



  
I'd like it to be within the realm of possibility, wouldn't you?

Physical immortality? Absolutely not. I have enough trouble being 68.  :-)

Seriously, I have never and will in all likelihood never be interested in 
physical immortality. It holds no interest for me whatsoever, because I hold no 
fear of death, only a sense of wonder at what's next. 


Wait, you're convinced that

1) you've already seen floating;

2) it has nothing to do with spirituality, even when in the context of the 
TM-Sidhis.


I believe both. Do you, *not* having seen it, believe otherwise? If so, please 
explain why.




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :


From: LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com

To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2014 5:16 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators and Hillary's Health:  An Issue in 
2016?



 
I'm sorry, did you miss the word allegedly?

Why even mention it, unless you consider it within the realm of possibility? My 
replies assumed you do. If you do not, consider them rhetorical questions. :-) 



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :


From: LEnglish5@...
[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com

To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2014 1:46 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators and
Hillary's Health:  An Issue in 2016?



 
Well, there's floating during TM-SIdhis pracice, and then there's floating 
during daily activity. Allegedly someone fully in Unity could perform any and 
all TM-SIdhis at any time, in any circumstance.
And you believe this why?


But of course, MMY never demonstrated floating in public that I have heard of 
and never said that he had floated, only that he could if he wanted to.

Oh, my bad. You believe it because some guy who could never demonstrate it said 
it. :-)



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :


From: LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com



 
Could they float?

Apparently that was a minor test for immortality in Maharishi's eyes: if they 
were well-enoughed established in Unity that they could float whenever they 
wanted, they might be immortal.

Trying to ignore the nonsensical nature of the entire theory, I would suggest 
that if you believe in it then you have to admit that Maharishi was never able 
to float (levitate).  

There are no minor tests for immortality. There is only one test, and it's 
fairly major -- if you die, you're not.  :-)




---In
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote :


What about people like Ramana Maharishi
and Ramakrisna who died of cancer?

On 05/14/2014 05:53 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] wrote:

 
Once you know yourself, not just intellectually, but in
every way possible, unbounded awareness, cancer cannot get
a foot hold. Cancer is usually an emotional disease,
although it eventually manifests physically. Any repressed
block of emotion can solidify into a cancer.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :


Of course destroying words is no solution
at all. But just think how the word *cancer* can
affect people, making their heart race, causing
all those fight or flight hormones to be released
in the body. What is the solution for that?

On
Wednesday, May 14, 2014 6:59 AM, anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:

 
Well, that was a double plus
good quotation.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog@... wrote :


Ah
ha! Buck wins the battle of
semantics but remains
powerless to control the wild
beasts of FFL. Don't give up,
Buck. The place wouldn't be
the same without you.  Do
you know that Newspeak is the
only language in the world
whose vocabulary gets smaller
every year?...It’s
a beautiful thing, the
destruction of words. Orwell
1984


 











Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators and Hillary's Health: An Issue in 2016?

2014-05-15 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
From: lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com





  
Samadhier than the average bear...

Funny. 



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :




Yogis don't commit fatal mistakes. 

Don't be so sure, Jellystone Park is full of danger and Yogi is stepping out to 
do his business in the woods. 







One would think that someone posting here knew the basics.
One would think that some
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :











Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators and Hillary's Health: An Issue in 2016?

2014-05-15 Thread fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Ha-ha - the wooden shoes! And all that multidimensional crap he spouts, just to 
hide the fact that she finds him sexually unattractive.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :

 Sorry dude, this distraction thing doesn't work for many of us any more. 
 

 Maharishi has been dead a long time now. You apparently have only 
witnessed for about two weeks, out of your whole life. I, and countless others, 
do it 24x7, and have now, for years and years - it is an established way of 
functioning.  We don't endlessly bitch and whine about this teacher, or that, 
because we are enjoying a full spiritual life.
 

 You, on the other hand, with your Two Weeks Of Witnessing Lifetime Achievement 
Award, wring your hands and raise the alarm continuously, about a teacher who 
passed away many years ago, to distract yourself from your weak and shallow 
spiritual life. TWO weeks witnessing, total, total? I wouldn't even admit that, 
if I were you.
 

 Ah, but he did take a friend through the great city of Amsterdam the other 
week and the two of them travelled from dimension to dimension, through reality 
to other reality all the while clopping along in their cute wooden shoes 
reminiscing about Rama days. Surely that counts for something? I think he said 
he was going to write a 70's genre song about it, complete with new age lyrics 
and there was going to be a video made, with singers and dancers dressed in 
high waisted, tight pants, billowing shirts and hair styles incorporating Afros 
and pony tails. I am looking forward to that video because I know Bawee must 
have some hidden talents that we are all, as of yet, unaware of. I'm sure he is 
a great choreographer, producer, cameraman and dancer. 
 

 

 

 

 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 
 From: LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
   Well, there's floating during TM-SIdhis pracice, and then there's floating 
during daily activity. Allegedly someone fully in Unity could perform any and 
all TM-SIdhis at any time, in any circumstance.
 
And you believe this why?

 

 But of course, MMY never demonstrated floating in public that I have heard of 
and never said that he had floated, only that he could if he wanted to.
 

 Oh, my bad. You believe it because some guy who could never demonstrate it 
said it. :-)

 
















Just as an additional point, haven't you seen the reports that many of these 
statements about immortality were spoken by a guy on videotapes that were 
filmed in the last few years of his life as he was lying prone on his bed, 
using a special (and rather deceptive) apparatus that made it appear as if he 
was sitting up. If you actually believe what he was purported to say about his 
ability to levitate, why couldn't he have just levitated over to the lecture 
hall and given these talks in person, and while actually sitting up? For that 
matter, if you believe that he was actually able to levitate and that there is 
some relationship between this and immortality, why did he die? We'll wait...  














Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators and Hillary's Health: An Issue in 2016?

2014-05-15 Thread curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :

 Sorry dude, this distraction thing doesn't work for many of us any more. 
 

 Maharishi has been dead a long time now. You apparently have only 
witnessed for about two weeks, out of your whole life. I, and countless others, 
do it 24x7, and have now, for years and years - it is an established way of 
functioning.  We don't endlessly bitch and whine about this teacher, or that, 
because we are enjoying a full spiritual life.
 

 You, on the other hand, with your Two Weeks Of Witnessing Lifetime Achievement 
Award, wring your hands and raise the alarm continuously, about a teacher who 
passed away many years ago, to distract yourself from your weak and shallow 
spiritual life. TWO weeks witnessing, total, total? I wouldn't even admit that, 
if I were you.

C: Spiritual oneupmanship based on a self-reported state of mind...

This connects back to the poster who said that I must never have transcended 
because if I had, I would have come to the same conclusions Maharishi did about 
the meaning of such experiences.

It brings up an overarching problem with these self reported experiences and 
the language we use to describe them. Upon some reflection I see that that 
poster had a perfect right to challenge my self reported experience. Given my 
exposure to the organization and its programs designed to give such 
experiences, it would be sort of an indictment of the effectiveness of those 
programs or Maharishi's ability to certify people to represent his programs. 
But at its epistemological basis his POV was as valid as my own from one point 
of view. When we use the kind of words we have to in describing these 
experiences it is really all too vague to make any determination at all about 
what is going on inside another person. 

Unfortunately it also means that you are unlikely to get the traction you seek 
from this kind of I experience whatever and you don't putdown.  

Aside from my interest in the knowledge issues with self reported states of 
mind, I was prompted to respond to you post Jim because of what you said about 
cancer.

Jim: Once you know yourself, not just intellectually, but in every way 
possible, unbounded awareness, cancer cannot get a foot hold. Cancer is usually 
an emotional disease, although it eventually manifests physically. Any 
repressed block of emotion can solidify into a cancer.

C: Do you realized that your misplaced confidence in your subjectively 
determined opinion about cancer (which is not supported by those whose job it 
is to actually study cancer) carries within it a nasty bit of victimizing the 
victim. You are essentially blaming people who die of cancer for their 
repressed block of emotion somehow 'solidifying into cancer as well as their 
lack of knowing themselves in every possible way.

You are not the only one with this New Age belief about cancer. It is a popular 
idea among the crystals and Bach remedy crowd. 

I disagree with this POV and the confidence with which you posted it as a fact. 
I believe that this POV expressed by yourself and others causes much 
unnecessary pain for people going through cancer treatment and their families. 
I have had a few friends die of one of the forms of this disease before their 
time and I can tell you for a fact this kind of nonsense is a torment to them 
as they try to figure out if they are doing something wrong that is causing 
their fatal disease of causing the to (in another unfortunate metaphor) lose 
their battle with cancer.

Humans don't understand all the factors that lead to many of the forms of 
cancer, but they do for some. We have made tremendous strides in treating those 
that we do understand and for some that are genetically based we have a 
direction for further research. There is no proven link between anyone's 
internal state of mind and their cancer. ( I know this will be met with the 
objection that your are talking about some inner quality that only people with 
your special state of mind can know about and scientists just don't know about 
it yet...uh huh...

I think your POV victimizes the victim and makes it appear that they have 
failed in their spiritual quest in contrast to you who have succeeded 
(according to your own claims) and are therefore magically immune to cancer. 
And judging how you wield your self proclaimed special state of mind as a 
cudgel in putting others down here, I don't suspect you will be disturbed by 
the perhaps unintended consequence of your POV. There is an invincible smugness 
in your, I can't get cancer because of my spiritual attainments, that is 
impervious to feedback. 

I also predict that due to your non repressed block of emotions, I can expect 
an enthusiastic response.





















---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 
 From: LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators and Hillary's Health: An Issue in 2016?

2014-05-15 Thread nablusoss1008

 The utterly strange think is that the Turq refers to his two weeks of 
witnessing in Italy DECADES ago whenever someone here mentions spiritual 
experiences. What is this kind of nonsense, the fellow must be completely 
devoid of spiritual firsthand knowhow. So much for Buddhist meditation.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :

 Ha-ha - the wooden shoes! And all that multidimensional crap he spouts, just 
to hide the fact that she finds him sexually unattractive.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :

 Sorry dude, this distraction thing doesn't work for many of us any more. 
 

 Maharishi has been dead a long time now. You apparently have only 
witnessed for about two weeks, out of your whole life. I, and countless others, 
do it 24x7, and have now, for years and years - it is an established way of 
functioning.  We don't endlessly bitch and whine about this teacher, or that, 
because we are enjoying a full spiritual life.
 

 You, on the other hand, with your Two Weeks Of Witnessing Lifetime Achievement 
Award, wring your hands and raise the alarm continuously, about a teacher who 
passed away many years ago, to distract yourself from your weak and shallow 
spiritual life. TWO weeks witnessing, total, total? I wouldn't even admit that, 
if I were you.
 

 Ah, but he did take a friend through the great city of Amsterdam the other 
week and the two of them travelled from dimension to dimension, through reality 
to other reality all the while clopping along in their cute wooden shoes 
reminiscing about Rama days. Surely that counts for something? I think he said 
he was going to write a 70's genre song about it, complete with new age lyrics 
and there was going to be a video made, with singers and dancers dressed in 
high waisted, tight pants, billowing shirts and hair styles incorporating Afros 
and pony tails. I am looking forward to that video because I know Bawee must 
have some hidden talents that we are all, as of yet, unaware of. I'm sure he is 
a great choreographer, producer, cameraman and dancer. 
 

 

 

 

 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 
 From: LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
   Well, there's floating during TM-SIdhis pracice, and then there's floating 
during daily activity. Allegedly someone fully in Unity could perform any and 
all TM-SIdhis at any time, in any circumstance.
 
And you believe this why?

 

 But of course, MMY never demonstrated floating in public that I have heard of 
and never said that he had floated, only that he could if he wanted to.
 

 Oh, my bad. You believe it because some guy who could never demonstrate it 
said it. :-)

 
















Just as an additional point, haven't you seen the reports that many of these 
statements about immortality were spoken by a guy on videotapes that were 
filmed in the last few years of his life as he was lying prone on his bed, 
using a special (and rather deceptive) apparatus that made it appear as if he 
was sitting up. If you actually believe what he was purported to say about his 
ability to levitate, why couldn't he have just levitated over to the lecture 
hall and given these talks in person, and while actually sitting up? For that 
matter, if you believe that he was actually able to levitate and that there is 
some relationship between this and immortality, why did he die? We'll wait...  
















Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators and Hillary's Health: An Issue in 2016?

2014-05-15 Thread fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
An enthusiastic response from me? Nope, just stay far enough away from me, to 
keep your bleeding heart from ruining my shirt.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote :

 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :

 Sorry dude, this distraction thing doesn't work for many of us any more. 
 

 Maharishi has been dead a long time now. You apparently have only 
witnessed for about two weeks, out of your whole life. I, and countless others, 
do it 24x7, and have now, for years and years - it is an established way of 
functioning.  We don't endlessly bitch and whine about this teacher, or that, 
because we are enjoying a full spiritual life.
 

 You, on the other hand, with your Two Weeks Of Witnessing Lifetime Achievement 
Award, wring your hands and raise the alarm continuously, about a teacher who 
passed away many years ago, to distract yourself from your weak and shallow 
spiritual life. TWO weeks witnessing, total, total? I wouldn't even admit that, 
if I were you.

C: Spiritual oneupmanship based on a self-reported state of mind...

This connects back to the poster who said that I must never have transcended 
because if I had, I would have come to the same conclusions Maharishi did about 
the meaning of such experiences.

It brings up an overarching problem with these self reported experiences and 
the language we use to describe them. Upon some reflection I see that that 
poster had a perfect right to challenge my self reported experience. Given my 
exposure to the organization and its programs designed to give such 
experiences, it would be sort of an indictment of the effectiveness of those 
programs or Maharishi's ability to certify people to represent his programs. 
But at its epistemological basis his POV was as valid as my own from one point 
of view. When we use the kind of words we have to in describing these 
experiences it is really all too vague to make any determination at all about 
what is going on inside another person. 

Unfortunately it also means that you are unlikely to get the traction you seek 
from this kind of I experience whatever and you don't putdown.  

Aside from my interest in the knowledge issues with self reported states of 
mind, I was prompted to respond to you post Jim because of what you said about 
cancer.

Jim: Once you know yourself, not just intellectually, but in every way 
possible, unbounded awareness, cancer cannot get a foot hold. Cancer is usually 
an emotional disease, although it eventually manifests physically. Any 
repressed block of emotion can solidify into a cancer.

C: Do you realized that your misplaced confidence in your subjectively 
determined opinion about cancer (which is not supported by those whose job it 
is to actually study cancer) carries within it a nasty bit of victimizing the 
victim. You are essentially blaming people who die of cancer for their 
repressed block of emotion somehow 'solidifying into cancer as well as their 
lack of knowing themselves in every possible way.

You are not the only one with this New Age belief about cancer. It is a popular 
idea among the crystals and Bach remedy crowd. 

I disagree with this POV and the confidence with which you posted it as a fact. 
I believe that this POV expressed by yourself and others causes much 
unnecessary pain for people going through cancer treatment and their families. 
I have had a few friends die of one of the forms of this disease before their 
time and I can tell you for a fact this kind of nonsense is a torment to them 
as they try to figure out if they are doing something wrong that is causing 
their fatal disease of causing the to (in another unfortunate metaphor) lose 
their battle with cancer.

Humans don't understand all the factors that lead to many of the forms of 
cancer, but they do for some. We have made tremendous strides in treating those 
that we do understand and for some that are genetically based we have a 
direction for further research. There is no proven link between anyone's 
internal state of mind and their cancer. ( I know this will be met with the 
objection that your are talking about some inner quality that only people with 
your special state of mind can know about and scientists just don't know about 
it yet...uh huh...

I think your POV victimizes the victim and makes it appear that they have 
failed in their spiritual quest in contrast to you who have succeeded 
(according to your own claims) and are therefore magically immune to cancer. 
And judging how you wield your self proclaimed special state of mind as a 
cudgel in putting others down here, I don't suspect you will be disturbed by 
the perhaps unintended consequence of your POV. There is an invincible smugness 
in your, I can't get cancer because of my spiritual attainments, that is 
impervious to feedback. 

I also predict that due to your non repressed block of emotions, I can expect 
an enthusiastic response.


















Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators and Hillary's Health: An Issue in 2016?

2014-05-15 Thread fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Yes, these critics do not have a clue. Literally.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 
 The utterly strange think is that the Turq refers to his two weeks of 
witnessing in Italy DECADES ago whenever someone here mentions spiritual 
experiences. What is this kind of nonsense, the fellow must be completely 
devoid of spiritual firsthand knowhow. So much for Buddhist meditation.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :

 Ha-ha - the wooden shoes! And all that multidimensional crap he spouts, just 
to hide the fact that she finds him sexually unattractive.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :

 Sorry dude, this distraction thing doesn't work for many of us any more. 
 

 Maharishi has been dead a long time now. You apparently have only 
witnessed for about two weeks, out of your whole life. I, and countless others, 
do it 24x7, and have now, for years and years - it is an established way of 
functioning.  We don't endlessly bitch and whine about this teacher, or that, 
because we are enjoying a full spiritual life.
 

 You, on the other hand, with your Two Weeks Of Witnessing Lifetime Achievement 
Award, wring your hands and raise the alarm continuously, about a teacher who 
passed away many years ago, to distract yourself from your weak and shallow 
spiritual life. TWO weeks witnessing, total, total? I wouldn't even admit that, 
if I were you.
 

 Ah, but he did take a friend through the great city of Amsterdam the other 
week and the two of them travelled from dimension to dimension, through reality 
to other reality all the while clopping along in their cute wooden shoes 
reminiscing about Rama days. Surely that counts for something? I think he said 
he was going to write a 70's genre song about it, complete with new age lyrics 
and there was going to be a video made, with singers and dancers dressed in 
high waisted, tight pants, billowing shirts and hair styles incorporating Afros 
and pony tails. I am looking forward to that video because I know Bawee must 
have some hidden talents that we are all, as of yet, unaware of. I'm sure he is 
a great choreographer, producer, cameraman and dancer. 
 

 

 

 

 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 
 From: LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
   Well, there's floating during TM-SIdhis pracice, and then there's floating 
during daily activity. Allegedly someone fully in Unity could perform any and 
all TM-SIdhis at any time, in any circumstance.
 
And you believe this why?

 

 But of course, MMY never demonstrated floating in public that I have heard of 
and never said that he had floated, only that he could if he wanted to.
 

 Oh, my bad. You believe it because some guy who could never demonstrate it 
said it. :-)

 
















Just as an additional point, haven't you seen the reports that many of these 
statements about immortality were spoken by a guy on videotapes that were 
filmed in the last few years of his life as he was lying prone on his bed, 
using a special (and rather deceptive) apparatus that made it appear as if he 
was sitting up. If you actually believe what he was purported to say about his 
ability to levitate, why couldn't he have just levitated over to the lecture 
hall and given these talks in person, and while actually sitting up? For that 
matter, if you believe that he was actually able to levitate and that there is 
some relationship between this and immortality, why did he die? We'll wait...  


















Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators and Hillary's Health: An Issue in 2016?

2014-05-15 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Thank you for the clarity, Curtis, and for taking on this particular meme, and 
form of New Age shaming. I just finished reading a study in which a 
world-reknowned oncology (cancer) specialist was quoted as saying, Every human 
being on the planet has one or more cancer cells in their body at this point in 
time. The question is whether they will flourish and replicate. 




 From: curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2014 5:54 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators and Hillary's Health:  An Issue in 
2016?
 


  
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :


Sorry dude, this distraction thing doesn't work for many of us any more. 

Maharishi has been dead a long time now. You apparently have only witnessed 
for about two weeks, out of your whole life. I, and countless others, do it 
24x7, and have now, for years and years - it is an established way of 
functioning.  We don't endlessly bitch and whine about this teacher, or that, 
because we are enjoying a full spiritual life.

You, on the other hand, with your Two Weeks Of Witnessing Lifetime Achievement 
Award, wring your hands and raise the alarm continuously, about a teacher who 
passed away many years ago, to distract yourself from your weak and shallow 
spiritual life. TWO weeks witnessing, total, total? I wouldn't even admit that, 
if I were you.

C: Spiritual oneupmanship based on a self-reported state of mind...

This connects back to the poster who said that I must never have transcended 
because if I had, I would have come to the same conclusions Maharishi did about 
the meaning of such experiences.

It brings up an overarching problem with these self reported experiences and 
the language we use to describe them. Upon some reflection I see that that 
poster had a perfect right to challenge my self reported experience. Given my 
exposure to the organization and its programs designed to give such 
experiences, it would be sort of an indictment of the effectiveness of those 
programs or Maharishi's ability to certify people to represent his programs. 
But at its epistemological basis his POV was as valid as my own from one point 
of view. When we use the kind of words we have to in describing these 
experiences it is really all too vague to make any determination at all about 
what is going on inside another person. 

Unfortunately it also means that you are unlikely to get the traction you seek 
from this kind of I experience whatever and you don't putdown.  

Aside from my interest in the knowledge issues with self reported states of 
mind, I was prompted to respond to you post Jim because of what you said about 
cancer.

Jim: Once you know yourself, not just intellectually, but in every way 
possible, unbounded awareness, cancer cannot get a foot hold. Cancer is 
usually an emotional disease, although it eventually manifests 
physically. Any repressed block of emotion can solidify into a cancer.

C: Do you realized that your misplaced confidence in your subjectively 
determined opinion about cancer (which is not supported by those whose job it 
is to actually study cancer) carries within it a nasty bit of victimizing the 
victim. You are essentially blaming people who die of cancer for their 
repressed block of emotion somehow 'solidifying into cancer as well as their 
lack of knowing themselves in every possible way.

You are not the only one with this New Age belief about cancer. It is a popular 
idea among the crystals and Bach remedy crowd. 

I disagree with this POV and the confidence with which you posted it as a fact. 
I believe that this POV expressed by yourself and others causes much 
unnecessary pain for people going through cancer treatment and their families. 
I have had a few friends die of one of the forms of this disease before their 
time and I can tell you for a fact this kind of nonsense is a torment to them 
as they try to figure out if they are doing something wrong that is causing 
their fatal disease of causing the to (in another unfortunate metaphor) lose 
their battle with cancer.

Humans don't understand all the factors that lead to many of the forms of 
cancer, but they do for some. We have made tremendous strides in treating those 
that we do understand and for some that are genetically based we have a 
direction for further research. There is no proven link between anyone's 
internal state of mind and their cancer. ( I know this will be met with the 
objection that your are talking about some inner quality that only people with 
your special state of mind can know about and scientists just don't know about 
it yet...uh huh...

I think your POV victimizes the victim and makes it appear that they have 
failed in their spiritual quest in contrast to you who have succeeded 
(according to your own claims) and are therefore magically immune to cancer

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators and Hillary's Health: An Issue in 2016?

2014-05-15 Thread authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
This time Barry missed and excited on another. 

 Of course, the wish to find out in and of itself doesn't mean no 
possibility of sadness or disappointment any more than it means no possibility 
of excitement. What's sad is the person who is so emotionally repressed as to 
suggest either.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 From: LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 
 
   Eh, well, it would be very exciting should it ever be proven to exist, for 
many reasons.
 

 Of course, if it is some arbitrary non-TMer, who ends up floating and it turns 
out to have nothing to do with spiritual growth ala TM, then I'd be sad on one 
level and excited on another.
 

 

 Ahem. That sadness identifies you more of a will to believe person than a 
wish to find out person. If you were the latter, there would be no 
possibility of sadness or disappointment, n'est-ce pas? 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote :

 Well, there's floating during TM-SIdhis pracice, and then there's floating 
during daily activity. Allegedly someone fully in Unity could perform any and 
all TM-SIdhis at any time, in any circumstance. 

 

 But of course, MMY never demonstrated floating in public that I have heard of 
and never said that he had floated, only that he could if he wanted to.
 

 I personally think this levitation thing is overrated. I'm happy when I just 
witness someone being kind or generous or interesting. The only floaters I've 
ever seen (and are likely to see) are in my own toilet bowl. That's it! I guess 
Rama was just one big turd in the toilet bowl of life. 
 

 L
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 From: LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 
 
   Could they float?
 

 Apparently that was a minor test for immortality in Maharishi's eyes: if they 
were well-enoughed established in Unity that they could float whenever they 
wanted, they might be immortal.
 


Trying to ignore the nonsensical nature of the entire theory, I would suggest 
that if you believe in it then you have to admit that Maharishi was never able 
to float (levitate).  

There are no minor tests for immortality. There is only one test, and it's 
fairly major -- if you die, you're not.  :-)
 
































Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators and Hillary's Health: An Issue in 2016?

2014-05-15 Thread authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
I also strongly disagree with Jim's thesis. However...
 

This time, Barry missed cancer cannot get a foothold--i.e., cannot flourish 
and replicate. 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 Thank you for the clarity, Curtis, and for taking on this particular meme, and 
form of New Age shaming. I just finished reading a study in which a 
world-reknowned oncology (cancer) specialist was quoted as saying, Every human 
being on the planet has one or more cancer cells in their body at this point in 
time. The question is whether they will flourish and replicate. 

 

 (snip)
 
Jim: Once you know yourself, not just intellectually, but in every way 
possible, unbounded awareness, cancer cannot get a foot hold. Cancer is usually 
an emotional disease, although it eventually manifests physically. Any 
repressed block of emotion can solidify into a cancer.

















Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators and Hillary's Health: An Issue in 2016?

2014-05-15 Thread curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

 --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :

 An enthusiastic response from me? Nope, just stay far enough away from me, 
to keep your bleeding heart from ruining my shirt.

C:Your framing compassion for people suffering from a disease they did not 
choose and speaking out against your callus post as a bleeding heart makes my 
point perfectly. 


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote :

 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :

 Sorry dude, this distraction thing doesn't work for many of us any more. 
 

 Maharishi has been dead a long time now. You apparently have only 
witnessed for about two weeks, out of your whole life. I, and countless others, 
do it 24x7, and have now, for years and years - it is an established way of 
functioning.  We don't endlessly bitch and whine about this teacher, or that, 
because we are enjoying a full spiritual life.
 

 You, on the other hand, with your Two Weeks Of Witnessing Lifetime Achievement 
Award, wring your hands and raise the alarm continuously, about a teacher who 
passed away many years ago, to distract yourself from your weak and shallow 
spiritual life. TWO weeks witnessing, total, total? I wouldn't even admit that, 
if I were you.

C: Spiritual oneupmanship based on a self-reported state of mind...

This connects back to the poster who said that I must never have transcended 
because if I had, I would have come to the same conclusions Maharishi did about 
the meaning of such experiences.

It brings up an overarching problem with these self reported experiences and 
the language we use to describe them. Upon some reflection I see that that 
poster had a perfect right to challenge my self reported experience. Given my 
exposure to the organization and its programs designed to give such 
experiences, it would be sort of an indictment of the effectiveness of those 
programs or Maharishi's ability to certify people to represent his programs. 
But at its epistemological basis his POV was as valid as my own from one point 
of view. When we use the kind of words we have to in describing these 
experiences it is really all too vague to make any determination at all about 
what is going on inside another person. 

Unfortunately it also means that you are unlikely to get the traction you seek 
from this kind of I experience whatever and you don't putdown.  

Aside from my interest in the knowledge issues with self reported states of 
mind, I was prompted to respond to you post Jim because of what you said about 
cancer.

Jim: Once you know yourself, not just intellectually, but in every way 
possible, unbounded awareness, cancer cannot get a foot hold. Cancer is usually 
an emotional disease, although it eventually manifests physically. Any 
repressed block of emotion can solidify into a cancer.

C: Do you realized that your misplaced confidence in your subjectively 
determined opinion about cancer (which is not supported by those whose job it 
is to actually study cancer) carries within it a nasty bit of victimizing the 
victim. You are essentially blaming people who die of cancer for their 
repressed block of emotion somehow 'solidifying into cancer as well as their 
lack of knowing themselves in every possible way.

You are not the only one with this New Age belief about cancer. It is a popular 
idea among the crystals and Bach remedy crowd. 

I disagree with this POV and the confidence with which you posted it as a fact. 
I believe that this POV expressed by yourself and others causes much 
unnecessary pain for people going through cancer treatment and their families. 
I have had a few friends die of one of the forms of this disease before their 
time and I can tell you for a fact this kind of nonsense is a torment to them 
as they try to figure out if they are doing something wrong that is causing 
their fatal disease of causing the to (in another unfortunate metaphor) lose 
their battle with cancer.

Humans don't understand all the factors that lead to many of the forms of 
cancer, but they do for some. We have made tremendous strides in treating those 
that we do understand and for some that are genetically based we have a 
direction for further research. There is no proven link between anyone's 
internal state of mind and their cancer. ( I know this will be met with the 
objection that your are talking about some inner quality that only people with 
your special state of mind can know about and scientists just don't know about 
it yet...uh huh...

I think your POV victimizes the victim and makes it appear that they have 
failed in their spiritual quest in contrast to you who have succeeded 
(according to your own claims) and are therefore magically immune to cancer. 
And judging how you wield your self proclaimed special state of mind as a 
cudgel in putting others down here, I don't suspect you will be disturbed by 
the perhaps unintended consequence of your POV. There 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators and Hillary's Health: An Issue in 2016?

2014-05-15 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
From: curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com



--In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :


An enthusiastic response from me? Nope, just stay far enough away from me, to 
keep your bleeding heart from ruining my shirt.

C:Your framing compassion for people suffering from a disease they did not 
choose and speaking out against your callus post as a bleeding heart makes my 
point perfectly. 



Especially coming from one of the Maharishi enlightened.

This exchange illustrates my basic thesis on this forum. It REALLY DOESN'T 
MATTER what one *says* about people one doesn't like on FFL. All that matters 
is what the persons saying it do in their posts, as often-unintended 
accessories to what they say.  


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote :




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :


Sorry dude, this distraction thing doesn't work for many of us any more. 

Maharishi has been dead a long time now. You apparently have only witnessed 
for about two weeks, out of your whole life. I, and countless others, do it 
24x7, and have now, for years and years - it is an established way of 
functioning.  We don't endlessly bitch and whine about this teacher, or that, 
because we are enjoying a full spiritual life.

You, on the other hand, with your Two Weeks Of Witnessing Lifetime Achievement 
Award, wring your hands and raise the alarm continuously, about a teacher who 
passed away many years ago, to distract yourself from your weak and shallow 
spiritual life. TWO weeks witnessing, total, total? I wouldn't even admit that, 
if I were you.

C: Spiritual oneupmanship based on a self-reported state of mind...

This connects back to the poster who said that I must never have transcended 
because if I had, I would have come to the same conclusions Maharishi did about 
the meaning of such experiences.

It brings up an overarching problem with these self reported experiences and 
the language we use to describe them. Upon some reflection I see that that 
poster had a perfect right to challenge my self reported experience. Given my 
exposure to the organization and its programs designed to give such 
experiences, it would be sort of an indictment of the effectiveness of those 
programs or Maharishi's ability to certify people to represent his programs. 
But at its epistemological basis his POV was as valid as my own from one point 
of view. When we use the kind of words we have to in describing these 
experiences it is really all too vague to make any determination at all about 
what is going on inside another person. 

Unfortunately it also means that you are unlikely to get the traction you seek 
from this kind of I experience whatever and you don't putdown.  

Aside from my interest in the knowledge issues with self reported states of 
mind, I was prompted to respond to you post Jim because of what you said about 
cancer.

Jim: Once you know yourself, not just intellectually, but in every way
possible, unbounded awareness, cancer cannot get a foot hold. Cancer is
usually an emotional disease, although it eventually manifests
physically. Any repressed block of emotion can solidify into a cancer.

C: Do you realized that your misplaced confidence in your subjectively 
determined opinion about cancer (which is not supported by those whose job it 
is to actually study cancer) carries within it a nasty bit of victimizing the 
victim. You are essentially blaming people who die of cancer for their 
repressed block of emotion somehow 'solidifying into cancer as well as their 
lack of knowing themselves in every possible way.

You are not the only one with this New Age belief about cancer. It is a popular 
idea among the crystals and Bach remedy crowd. 

I disagree with this POV and the confidence with which you posted it as a fact. 
I believe that this POV expressed by yourself and others causes much 
unnecessary pain for people going through cancer treatment and their families. 
I have had a few friends die of one of the forms of this disease before their 
time and I can tell you for a fact this kind of nonsense is a torment to them 
as they try to figure out if they are doing something wrong that is causing 
their fatal disease of causing the to (in another unfortunate metaphor) lose 
their battle with cancer.

Humans don't understand all the factors that lead to many of the forms of 
cancer, but they do for some. We have made tremendous strides in treating those 
that we do understand and for some that are genetically based we have a 
direction for further research. There is no proven link between anyone's 
internal state of mind and their cancer. ( I know this will be met with the 
objection that your are talking about some inner quality that only people with 
your special state of mind can know about and scientists just don't know about 
it yet...uh huh...

I think your POV victimizes the victim and 

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