---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote :
Some more for the bizzy bees of FFL this fine Saturn Day morning. :-D
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/09/13/deepak-chopra-richard-dawkins-is-a-bad-scientist-and-his-arrogance-pisses-me-off/
On 9/13/05 8:07 PM, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
That was my understanding. Was that not your meaning? If not, then you
must be referring to your views not being influenced by Bada Bing. If
this is the case, and you are denying the first option, then you seem
to be implying that
On 9/13/05 8:27 PM, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Is it kind of a struggle going in to these club, believing these clubs
are used for sex, where some dancers are drug addicts who work for
their fix and are exploited for sex by he owners, where the
exploitation of women who are
--- Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Good morning Akasha:
No I was giving my overall impression merely based on my own life
experience. No I'm not a sociologist with a clipboard, nor was or am I
looking for endless argument, just discussion.
Hi Akasha:
Well not struggle. In every
On 9/14/05 11:18 AM, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I apologize. I seem to have gotten off on the wrong foot. I am all for
discussion. And sharing impressions and views.
No apology necessary, all is well.
And I do feel there may be links to SCs and the global sex trade. And
gender
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On 9/14/05 11:18 AM, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I apologize. I seem to have gotten off on the wrong foot. I
am all for discussion. And sharing impressions and views.
No apology necessary, all is well.
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How 'bout if we take up a collection so the two of
you could meet at a strip club? :-)
Naw, let's make it one of the larger Nath festivals in
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On
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Cliff [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Irrelevant to the point.And none of your business.
But it IS the point. Guys who sleep with strippers are contributing
to the weird sexual distortion.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED]
So exotic dancers should all be celibate? You're not making
any sense.
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Irrelevant to the point.And none of your business.
But it IS the point.
But it IS the point. Guys who sleep with strippers are contributing
to the weird sexual distortion.
How quaint. Makes me feel nostalgic for a time that might have been
but never was. (big kiss on the forehead , goodnight, sleep tight)
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[...]
, non-hung-up-about-sex
women who are using the clubs to pay for a good education
and a future. If there is any exploitation going on, it
is of the men, not the women. The women are paid very
well, both by the clubs
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[...]
Exactly. Those who are reacting to strip clubs as
negative are uncomfortable with their selves, and
projecting it outwards.
Or have a more subtle viewof the world than some who claim vast
spiritual prowess.
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So exotic dancers should all be celibate? You're not making
any sense.
Some of them are. They tend to be the least messed up and come out of
the profession less messed up as well...
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Exactly. Those who are reacting to strip clubs as
negative are uncomfortable with their selves, and
projecting it outwards.
Or have a more
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Irrelevant to the point.And none of your business.
But it IS the
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Yes, I've known a number of women who either had been or were
then currently strippers.
I'm curious - you seemed to have been saying that my (or
On 9/12/05 7:00 PM, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I know this is a fictional account, but I do believe in a large
number of cases it is an accurate picture, watch a couple of Soprano
episodes. The mob runs their act
On 9/12/05 7:09 PM, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm sorry, but the idea that in this day and age
there are still intelligent people who have to be
educated as to how strip clubs exploit women as
sex objects is just too depressing to contemplate.
Amen. It's almost not worth
On 9/12/05 7:57 PM, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
As I have said, I am open to the possiblity that contemporary
dancers in modern US club are exploited, but I have yet to see any
compelling evidence of such. If there is such evidence in abundance, I
have been inept in finding it.
On 9/12/05 11:03 PM, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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--- Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It's interesting. the dark side of these people who
try to pass themselves
off as the latest guru. That tendency (to declare
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Exactly. Those who are reacting to strip clubs
as
negative are uncomfortable with their
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It's interesting. the dark side of these people who
try to
On 9/13/05 7:33 AM, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Vaj, I like you, but I have to wonder whether you have
actually ever *been* to a strip club.
Yes!
Yes, it's sad that our society is so sexually biased
that one of the only options women who don't want to
work for low pay have
Holsopple, Kelly. 1999. Stripclubs According to Strippers. Making the
Harm Visible: Global Sexual Exploitation of Women and Girls, eds. Donna
Hughes and Claire Roche, Kingston RI: Coalition Against Trafficking In
Women.
The Glamorous Life of the Stripper
Excerpted from a 1999 study by Kelly
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 9/12/05 7:00 PM, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
OK. Now I get you. Its a beautiful argument. US dancers, in modern
clubs, are exploited because less than half of congress are not
female. Ok I am indeed
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On 9/13/05 7:33 AM, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
The people being controlled and dominated and subjugated
are the *men* around the stage. And *every* woman who
works at one of these clubs knows it. Some
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And to go back to an earlier topic, why was the Cosmo
nude centerfold of Burt Reynolds such a sensation when
it was first
This study supports the anecdotal experience of
several exotic dancer clients I've had. They all hated
the work, had very negative feelings toward men. They
only did it for the money and because it was quick and
offbook.
But is it exploitive? I see exploitation as a matter
of degree. Yes, it is a
Yes, Vaj and I used to hit the Pop-a-Top in Ottumwa.
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On 9/13/05 7:33 AM, TurquoiseB
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Vaj, I like you, but I have to wonder whether you
have
actually ever *been* to a strip club.
Yes!
Yes, it's sad that our
On 9/13/05 10:57 AM, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yes, Vaj and I used to hit the Pop-a-Top in Ottumwa.
That is, until I perfected the X-ray vision siddhi ;-)
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Yes, I've known a number of women who either had been or were
then
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On 9/12/05 7:09 PM, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm sorry, but the idea that in this day and age
there are still intelligent people who have to be
educated as to how strip clubs exploit women as
sex objects
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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It's interesting. the dark side of these people
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[...]
The people being controlled and dominated and subjugated
are the *men* around the stage. And *every* woman who
works at one of these clubs knows it. Some actually get
off on the level of control they have over the
You prefer looking at women's bones as opposed to their breasts,
do you? H Maybe Peter would have somethiing to
say about that. :-)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 9/13/05 10:57 AM, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yes, Vaj and I used
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
John Lennon said it when he said Woman is the nigger of the world.
OK. So how does that make a case that US dancers, in modern clubs,
are exploited.
This seems to be something you need to look into yourself if you
have
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 9/12/05 7:09 PM, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm sorry, but the idea that in this day and age
there are still intelligent people who have to be
educated as to how strip clubs exploit women as
sex objects
On 9/13/05 2:48 PM, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
John Lennon said it when he said Woman is the nigger of the world.
OK. So how does that make a case that US dancers, in modern clubs,
are exploited.
This seems
On 9/13/05 2:58 PM, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Nice dismissive answer. Now can you go beyond that and actually make a
factual, current data and/or observation case as to why strip clubs
exploit women as sex objects.
Read the brief study abstract I posted. If you don't get it after
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 9/13/05 2:58 PM, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Nice dismissive answer. Now can you go beyond that and actually make a
factual, current data and/or observation case as to why strip clubs
exploit women as sex
On 9/13/05 3:16 PM, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
And how does this directly link to observed, not hypothetical,
exploitation in exotic dance clubs? Be specific.
I've observed these trends over my life. One (hopefully) has some awareness
of what's going on around them--and some
On 9/13/05 3:21 PM, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have read it. I read it 2 years ago. I read it yesterdy before you
posted it. It is laughable. I will post why later.
OK...
If that article is how you got it, its getting all pretty clear that
you have little or no experience in
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Vaj:
We claim to live in a country that idealizes equality--then how
come half of congress aren't women?
Akasha:
OK. Now I get you. Its a beautiful argument. US dancers, in dern
clubs, are exploited because less than half of
On 9/13/05 6:54 PM, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I don't frequent them. Very rarely. I am just stating that the ones I
have bben to are not the dens of inequity that you conjur up in your mind.
I never used that phrase, nor do I necessarily think of these clubs that
way. For me it's
On 9/13/05 7:01 PM, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This counters your prior statment that you had lots of empirical
experiecne in modern clubs.
Then please quote me where I made this alleged statement that I've had
lot's of empirical experience.
Yahoo!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 9/13/05 7:01 PM, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This counters your prior statment that you had lots of empirical
experiecne in modern clubs.
Vaj:
Then please quote me where I made this alleged statement
Akasha:
I don't frequent them. Very rarely. I am just stating that the ones I
have been to are not the dens of inequity that you conjur up in your
mind.
[note -- I meant iniquity, but both may fit]
Vaj:
I never used that phrase, nor do I necessarily think of these clubs
that way.
Akasha:
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snip
Akasha:
For Vaj, his view appears not-empirically based, or if it
Well, she passed a lie detector test. She had copies of signed cc
receipts.
He hired a take no prisoners lawyer. He (via lawyer) refused lie
detector test.
I dunno. Who would you believe?
I don't feel a need to hold a firm opinion one way or another.
For me though, this is more smoke --
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
...According to Judy Bangert, a former San Francisco
call girl who says she's now a college student
Chopra paid her for sex on three different occasions in
the summer of 1991 -- two times by credit card and once
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So who are we going to believe, the call girl or the
distinguished MD...ah...ahthe call girl!!
If the implication or underlying premise is that distinguished MDs
never do anything they would rather not make public, and
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It's interesting. the dark side of these people who try to pass
themselves
off as the latest guru. That tendency (to declare oneself a teacher
or guru or enlightened) I tend to associate with nothing more than a
refined and
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So who are we going to believe, the call girl or the
distinguished MD...ah...ahthe call girl!!
If the implication or underlying premise is
Many people who become successful, with lots of fame and money,
when they still have issues to resolve;
Feel justified, fulfilling their desires, as they have an expanded
ego, and many situations presented to them;
That would not be the case without the money and power.
They say that power is
Isn't this the incident in which Chopra successfully sued a London
newspaper that printed this because it was found to be baseless?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
...According to Judy Bangert, a former San Francisco
call girl who says she's now a
You're just jealous...:-)
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It's interesting. the dark side of these people who try to pass
themselves
off as the latest guru. That tendency (to
For me, this was the most insightful thing I've seen from you,
Robert. You very accurately express how power and money make
it far easier for the dark side to express itself.
Throw in a TMO with a sadly distorted view of sexuality and you
have a recipe for serious problems, betrayals, conflicts
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You're just jealous...:-)
More in awe.
Was that the original shock and awe?
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Well, she passed a lie detector test. She had copies of signed cc
receipts.
He hired a take no prisoners lawyer. He (via lawyer) refused lie
detector test.
I dunno. Who would you believe?
I don't feel a need to
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Well, she passed a lie detector test. She had copies of signed cc
receipts.
He hired a take no prisoners lawyer. He (via lawyer)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It's interesting. the dark side of these people who
try to pass themselves
off as the latest guru. That tendency (to declare
oneself a teacher or guru
or enlightened) I tend to
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Well, she passed a lie detector test. She had copies of
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It's interesting. the dark side of these people who
try to pass themselves
off as the latest guru. That tendency (to declare
oneself a teacher or guru
or enlightened) I tend to
--- Robert Gimbel wrote:
Many people who become successful, with lots of fame and money,
when they still have issues to resolve;
Feel justified, fulfilling their desires, as they have an expanded
ego, and many situations presented to them;
That would not be the case without the
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On 9/12/05 3:36 PM, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
He tried to BS the initiator who found him there, that he was there for his
sake...as if to save him and other stray initiators. Felt to me as if
there was some
On 9/12/05 3:53 PM, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This opens a question for inquiry, and I apply this to
myself, too. Why would such behavior on Charlie's part
bother us so much? He liked to look at naked women.
Okay I have known other people in the past that I
respect and
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--- Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It's interesting. the dark side of these people
who
try to pass themselves
off as the latest guru. That tendency (to
declare
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It's interesting. the dark side of these people
who
try to pass themselves
off as the latest guru. That tendency (to
declare
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Strip clubs exploit women as sex objects.
Yes and no. I've had several clients who were exotic
dancers and they absolutely hated the work,
Not arguing your experience, but its hard to extraoplate much from a
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Strip clubs exploit women as sex objects.
Yes and no. I've had several clients who were exotic
dancers and they absolutely hated the work, but loved
the money. What bothered
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On 9/12/05 4:59 PM, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The other part of that question is how did you
know it was true?
JohnY
I know!
If you knew the person who told me--and I'm sure many of you here
do--you
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On 9/12/05 4:59 PM, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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The other part of that question is how did
you
know it was true?
JohnY
I know!
If you knew
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The other part of that question
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Strip clubs exploit women as sex objects.
Yes and no. I've had several clients who were
exotic
dancers and they absolutely
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You've got women working at a
demeaning job because it's presumably the only
way they can find to make a decent living.
How is this not exploiting them, again?
I am still struggling with the term exploitaion -- both
Judy Stein:
Strip clubs exploit women as sex objects.
Peter Sutphen:
Yes and no. I've had several clients who were exotic
dancers and they absolutely hated the work...
What bothered them most was not their
nudity or physical contact with the men, but the
pretending to be
I know this is a fictional account, but I do believe in a large number of
cases it is an accurate picture, watch a couple of Soprano episodes. The mob
runs their act out of a north Jersey strip club called Bada Bing. This is
the local strip joint--not the upscale gentleman's clubs or the Moulin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I know this is a fictional account, but I do believe in a large
number of cases it is an accurate picture, watch a couple of Soprano
episodes. The mob runs their act out of a north Jersey strip club
called Bada Bing. This is the
I'm sorry, but the idea that in this day and age
there are still intelligent people who have to be
educated as to how strip clubs exploit women as
sex objects is just too depressing to contemplate.
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They didn't mind the nudity or physical contact,
but they didn't like men relating to them as
sex objects. Er, how *else* are men going to
relate to naked women who are
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They didn't mind the nudity or physical contact,
but they didn't like men relating to them as
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm sorry, but the idea that in this day and age
there are still intelligent people who have to be
educated as to how strip clubs exploit women as
sex objects is just too depressing to contemplate.
I am sorry you are
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I'm sorry, but the idea that in this day and age
there are still intelligent people who have to be
educated as to how strip clubs exploit women as
sex objects is just too depressing to contemplate.
I don't know
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Well, she passed a lie detector test. She had copies of signed cc
receipts.
He hired a take no prisoners lawyer. He (via lawyer) refused lie
detector test.
I dunno. Who would you believe?
I don't feel a need to
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--- Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It's interesting. the dark side of these people who
try to pass themselves
off as the latest guru. That tendency (to declare
oneself a teacher or guru
or enlightened) I tend to
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter
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--- Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It's interesting. the dark side of these people
who
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Anyone who likes strip clubs does NOT like women.
Where do you come up with such ridiculous tripe from? What a sweeping
AND idiotic generalization from the World Authority on Nearly Every Topic
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter
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--- Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It's interesting. the dark side of these people
who
That's just plain ridiculous. How could you possibly know that?
Do you stand outside clubs interviewing, Excuse me, but do you
actually like women? I mean, like, not just their breasts and
stuff, but do you think they (as a group, of course) are sort of nice,
or do you really secrety despise
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Anyone who likes strip clubs does NOT like women.
Where do you come up with such ridiculous tripe from? What a sweeping
AND idiotic
Most relationships that women have with men do a number on
their heads with regard to men. Doesn't matter if the woman
strips or does database design for a living.
Shemp, I understand that you personally feel badly about either
having gone to a strip club or wanting to go to one, but you read
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Cliff [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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That's just plain ridiculous. How could you possibly know that?
Do you stand outside clubs interviewing, Excuse me, but do you
actually like women? I mean, like, not just their breasts and
stuff, but do you think they (as
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Cliff [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Most relationships that women have with men do a number on
their heads with regard to men. Doesn't matter if the woman
strips or does database design for a living.
Shemp, I understand that you personally feel badly about
Yes, I've known a number of women who either had been or were
then currently strippers.
I'm curious - you seemed to have been saying that my (or anyone
else's) opinion could not possibly have any value if I didn't know any
strippers. Are you now going to take my statement that I do as
proof
My apologies (particularly to Shemp) for my misattribution.
To answer your question: enough to feel I have a pretty good
understanding of the incredibly wide diversity of personalities and
desires and emotional damages and skill sets that are represented
in that particular community. It's not
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