[FairfieldLife] Re: Multiple Interpretations Possible

2005-10-02 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
 snip
  I am aware that she probably thought it was funny, 
  in a putdown sorta way.  I am also aware of the
  hundreds of posts she has written over the years on 
  the value of consistency and her need to hear the
  *same* answer every time.  That's why she likes
  Maharishi.  She can't deal with teachers (to say
  nothing of lowlives like ourselves) who deal in
  contradictions and have different answers to life's
  questions, depending on the state of attention or
  POV that is in operation at the time.  I was poking 
  fun at that.  It's probably one of those you have 
  to have been there kinda things...
 
 Barry can say this only because you guys *haven't*
 been there.  If you had, you would have seen hundreds
 of posts from me over the years that positively
 *revel* in contradictions, including those in MMY's
 teaching.  I've said many times I wished MMY would
 make more of the contradictions than he does.
 
 Barry and I have had many exchanges on this very
 topic, so it isn't as though he'd missed those
 posts.
 
 There is, of course, also a value to consistency,
 in its place.  The irony here is that Barry is
 having trouble dealing with the apparent contradiction
 of someone valuing consistency, on the one hand, and
 valuing paradox, on the other.

When you try to hold them in the same hand, it's called juggling.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Multiple Interpretations Possible

2005-10-02 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
  snip
   I am aware that she probably thought it was funny, 
   in a putdown sorta way.  I am also aware of the
   hundreds of posts she has written over the years on 
   the value of consistency and her need to hear the
   *same* answer every time.  That's why she likes
   Maharishi.  She can't deal with teachers (to say
   nothing of lowlives like ourselves) who deal in
   contradictions and have different answers to life's
   questions, depending on the state of attention or
   POV that is in operation at the time.  I was poking 
   fun at that.  It's probably one of those you have 
   to have been there kinda things...
  
  Barry can say this only because you guys *haven't*
  been there.  If you had, you would have seen hundreds
  of posts from me over the years that positively
  *revel* in contradictions, including those in MMY's
  teaching.  I've said many times I wished MMY would
  make more of the contradictions than he does.
  
  Barry and I have had many exchanges on this very
  topic, so it isn't as though he'd missed those
  posts.
  
  There is, of course, also a value to consistency,
  in its place.  The irony here is that Barry is
  having trouble dealing with the apparent contradiction
  of someone valuing consistency, on the one hand, and
  valuing paradox, on the other.
 
 When you try to hold them in the same hand, it's called juggling.

Yeah, but they're in different hands, i.e., each
in its place, as I said above.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Multiple Interpretations Possible

2005-10-02 Thread TurquoiseB
  When you try to hold them in the same hand, it's called juggling.
 
 Yeah, but they're in different hands, i.e., each
 in its place, as I said above.

Not that it matters, but that isn't quite true.  How many hands
are used depends on the number of objects you are juggling.
It's an odd/even thang.  2 balls, one hand, or it's no challenge.
3 balls, two hands.  4 balls, two hands, but each hand is really
only juggling two balls; there is no switchover.  5 balls, two 
hands with switchover again.  6 balls, two hands, but each is
now juggling three balls with no switchover.

When it comes to juggling concepts, you are free to use as
many minds as you have.  :-)






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Multiple Interpretations Possible

2005-10-02 Thread authfriend
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 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
   wrote:
   snip
I am aware that she probably thought it was funny, 
in a putdown sorta way.  I am also aware of the
hundreds of posts she has written over the years on 
the value of consistency and her need to hear the
*same* answer every time.  That's why she likes
Maharishi.  She can't deal with teachers (to say
nothing of lowlives like ourselves) who deal in
contradictions and have different answers to life's
questions, depending on the state of attention or
POV that is in operation at the time.  I was poking 
fun at that.  It's probably one of those you have 
to have been there kinda things...
   
   Barry can say this only because you guys *haven't*
   been there.  If you had, you would have seen hundreds
   of posts from me over the years that positively
   *revel* in contradictions, including those in MMY's
   teaching.  I've said many times I wished MMY would
   make more of the contradictions than he does.
   
   Barry and I have had many exchanges on this very
   topic, so it isn't as though he'd missed those
   posts.
   
   There is, of course, also a value to consistency,
   in its place.  The irony here is that Barry is
   having trouble dealing with the apparent contradiction
   of someone valuing consistency, on the one hand, and
   valuing paradox, on the other.
  
  When you try to hold them in the same hand, it's 
  called juggling.
 
 Yeah, but they're in different hands, i.e., each
 in its place, as I said above.

To elaborate: What I don't accept is the attempt
to characterize inconsistency as a function of 
advanced spiritual development when it's really an
artifact of sloppy, shallow thinking, or having
forgotten what one said the previous day, or taking
mutually exclusive positions merely for the sake of
winning two unrelated arguments or putting down two
different TMers (or the same TMer on different days),
or because one has failed to recognize the
implications of a particular position, or making a
category error, and so on.

That's just gross intellectual dishonesty, an excuse
for avoiding accountability for the coherence of
one's thinking.

In fact, to truly appreciate paradox requires the
most rigorous kind of thinking.  Incoherence
just generates more incoherence.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Multiple Interpretations Possible

2005-10-02 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   When you try to hold them in the same hand, it's
   called juggling.
  
  Yeah, but they're in different hands, i.e., each
  in its place, as I said above.
 
 Not that it matters, but that isn't quite true.  How many hands
 are used depends on the number of objects you are juggling.

Right.  But there's no juggling involved here, you
see.  Consistency is appropriate in its place, paradox/
contradiction is appropriate in *its* place.

Trying to hold two balls in one hand and then
dropping them both doesn't even constitute juggling.




 It's an odd/even thang.  2 balls, one hand, or it's no challenge.
 3 balls, two hands.  4 balls, two hands, but each hand is really
 only juggling two balls; there is no switchover.  5 balls, two 
 hands with switchover again.  6 balls, two hands, but each is
 now juggling three balls with no switchover.
 
 When it comes to juggling concepts, you are free to use as
 many minds as you have.  :-)





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Multiple Interpretations Possible

2005-10-02 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
   When you try to hold them in the same hand, it's 
called juggling.
  
  Yeah, but they're in different hands, i.e., each
  in its place, as I said above.
 
 Not that it matters, but that isn't quite true.  How many hands
 are used depends on the number of objects you are juggling.
 It's an odd/even thang.  2 balls, one hand, or it's no challenge.
 3 balls, two hands.  4 balls, two hands, but each hand is really
 only juggling two balls; there is no switchover.  

YOu can have a switchover with 4 or maybe even 6 balls. You have to 
throw them at different heights, but its doable (at least with 4).

5 balls, two 
 hands with switchover again.  6 balls, two hands, but each is
 now juggling three balls with no switchover.
 
 When it comes to juggling concepts, you are free to use as
 many minds as you have.  :-)

There's quite a few juggling books out there. ONeis called something 
like 161 3-ball tricks.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Multiple Interpretations Possible

2005-10-02 Thread sparaig
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wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
When you try to hold them in the same hand, it's
called juggling.
   
   Yeah, but they're in different hands, i.e., each
   in its place, as I said above.
  
  Not that it matters, but that isn't quite true.  How many hands
  are used depends on the number of objects you are juggling.
 
 Right.  But there's no juggling involved here, you
 see.  Consistency is appropriate in its place, paradox/
 contradiction is appropriate in *its* place.
 
 Trying to hold two balls in one hand and then
 dropping them both doesn't even constitute juggling.

That's the most important part of juggling, actually: The Drop.

All of us master the drop before we master any other trick.


 
 
 
 
  It's an odd/even thang.  2 balls, one hand, or it's no challenge.
  3 balls, two hands.  4 balls, two hands, but each hand is really
  only juggling two balls; there is no switchover.  5 balls, two 
  hands with switchover again.  6 balls, two hands, but each is
  now juggling three balls with no switchover.
  
  When it comes to juggling concepts, you are free to use as
  many minds as you have.  :-)





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Multiple Interpretations Possible

2005-10-02 Thread Rory Goff
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 That's the most important part of juggling, actually: The Drop.
 
 All of us master the drop before we master any other trick.

HA! To see perfection in imperfection and imperfection in perfection --
 this is Wisdom indeed, O Lawsonji


:-)




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Multiple Interpretations Possible

2005-10-02 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  That's the most important part of juggling, actually: The Drop.
  
  All of us master the drop before we master any other trick.
 
 HA! To see perfection in imperfection and imperfection in perfection -
-
  this is Wisdom indeed, O Lawsonji
 
 
 :-)

The very best jugglers in the world make The Drop part of the act. I 
once saw the Brothers Karimarzov (sp) doing a fancy club-passing 
routine when one of the Brothers sent a club flying apparently at 
random. He elaborately shrugged, casually walked through the web of 
clubs that were flying around, picked it up, threw it over his shoulder 
into the web of clubs and went back to his spot without anyone missing 
a beat. That was when we realized that it was part of the act. You cant 
be THAT casual about covering up a mistake unless you've practiced that 
particular mistake hundreds or even thousands of times.

There's also a variation of juggling where The Drop is the whole act. 
It's a lot easier than normal toss juggling. I can mange 4 SOMETIMES in 
normal juggling, but 5 or more balls is easy to do when you bounce them 
instead of throw them. 5 balls in toss juggling is considered low-end 
professional level. I've seen people do 8 or 10 in bounce juggling 
without breaking a sweat, and I think I've managed 6 or 7.








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Multiple Interpretations Possible

2005-10-01 Thread TurquoiseB
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wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin 
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  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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   And maybe some people can't laugh and take a joke. 
  
  So, are you saying you actually do interpret what Rory says with 
  regard to living Brahman as wise and worthy of reflection, but in 
  this case, just chose to joke about it?
 
 Speaking for myself, if I may, nothing I've seen
 of what Rory says is new.  And while thinking about
 living Brahman can be fun, even intellectually
 stimulating, in my experience such reflection doesn't
 do anything to put Brahman within my grasp.
 
  Or that *everything* is just a joke to you?
 
 Gee, Jim, some here have been suggesting that
 seeing everything as a huge joke is a function
 of advanced spiritual development, and that taking
 anything seriously indicates a distinct lack of
 same.
 
 I do wish all the folks who know what's best for
 the rest of us would get together and agree on
 their talking points.

That your problem, Judy, in one sentence.  (The
last one above.)

You value consistency more than you do reality.

You want easy answers instead of the real answers.

In other words, you want the simplistic answers
that Maharishi's been giving you for decades
rather than answers that might be more accurate,
but require some work on your part.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Multiple Interpretations Possible

2005-10-01 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
   wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
   snip
 Twitting Rory's expressions, just for the record,
 does NOT also require us to deny (or otherwise
 miss) the true Reality behind them. 

Yes, but a consistently 'twitting' of those expressions 
 possibly 
prevents some deeper reflection.
   
   Maybe in some cases, but my term was *require*, which
   appeared to be what you were suggesting.
   
   In fact, the process of twitting--as opposed to simply
   dismissing--*mandates* reflection on the expressions
   in order to come up with a good twit.  Whether the
   reflection goes any further is a different question,
   but my point was that one doesn't automatically rule
   out the other.
  
  That depends on how consistent the one response is vs. the other.
  If it is always a twit, that appears to be a good way to prevent 
  further reflection.
 
 I don't think that's necessarily the case, first; second,
 it's not always a twit anyway.  Usually Rory is taken
 pretty (horrors!) seriously.  It just seemed to be time
 for a twit-fest.

Translation:  people were taking him seriously
and not me.  Can't have that.  :-)







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Multiple Interpretations Possible

2005-10-01 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   But your response must be a joke too. I get it. haha.
  
  clap clap clap clap clap
 
 Come on Judy. Its not nice to make fun of Unc's health problems.

Now now...you should think these things through 
before suggesting them.  If my dick fell off from 
natural causes, Judy couldn't make it fall off
using the Dickwhammy.  Inconsistent.  No gold
star for you today, and you have to stay indoors
during recess.  :-)







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Multiple Interpretations Possible

2005-10-01 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
   wrote:
  snip
And maybe some people can't laugh and take a joke. 
   
   So, are you saying you actually do interpret what Rory says
   with regard to living Brahman as wise and worthy of reflection, 
   but in this case, just chose to joke about it?
  
  Speaking for myself, if I may, nothing I've seen
  of what Rory says is new.  And while thinking about
  living Brahman can be fun, even intellectually
  stimulating, in my experience such reflection doesn't
  do anything to put Brahman within my grasp.
  
   Or that *everything* is just a joke to you?
  
  Gee, Jim, some here have been suggesting that
  seeing everything as a huge joke is a function
  of advanced spiritual development, and that taking
  anything seriously indicates a distinct lack of
  same.
  
  I do wish all the folks who know what's best for
  the rest of us would get together and agree on
  their talking points.
 
 That your problem, Judy, in one sentence.  (The
 last one above.)
 
 You value consistency more than you do reality.
 
 You want easy answers instead of the real answers.
 
 In other words, you want the simplistic answers
 that Maharishi's been giving you for decades
 rather than answers that might be more accurate,
 but require some work on your part.

Unbelievable.  WAKE UP, BARRY.  What the heck
good is all your highly developed consciousness
doing you if it leaves you unable to function
in the relative?

I am *not* going to start using smileys just to
help you avoid embarrassing yourself, sorry.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Multiple Interpretations Possible

2005-10-01 Thread akasha_108
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 And maybe some people can't laugh and take a joke. 
   
   So, are you saying you actually do interpret what Rory says with 
   regard to living Brahman as wise and worthy of reflection, but in 
   this case, just chose to joke about it?
  
  Speaking for myself, if I may, nothing I've seen
  of what Rory says is new.  And while thinking about
  living Brahman can be fun, even intellectually
  stimulating, in my experience such reflection doesn't
  do anything to put Brahman within my grasp.
  
   Or that *everything* is just a joke to you?
  
  Gee, Jim, some here have been suggesting that
  seeing everything as a huge joke is a function
  of advanced spiritual development, and that taking
  anything seriously indicates a distinct lack of
  same.
  
  I do wish all the folks who know what's best for
  the rest of us would get together and agree on
  their talking points.
 
 That your problem, Judy, in one sentence.  (The
 last one above.)
 
 You value consistency more than you do reality.
 
 You want easy answers instead of the real answers.
 
 In other words, you want the simplistic answers
 that Maharishi's been giving you for decades
 rather than answers that might be more accurate,
 but require some work on your part.

Unc, lighten up. The last sentence was a funny joke. Read it with the
preceeding paragraph(s). Judy has a good sense of humor. 





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Multiple Interpretations Possible

2005-10-01 Thread TurquoiseB
   Speaking for myself, if I may, nothing I've seen
   of what Rory says is new.  And while thinking about
   living Brahman can be fun, even intellectually
   stimulating, in my experience such reflection doesn't
   do anything to put Brahman within my grasp.
   
Or that *everything* is just a joke to you?
   
   Gee, Jim, some here have been suggesting that
   seeing everything as a huge joke is a function
   of advanced spiritual development, and that taking
   anything seriously indicates a distinct lack of
   same.
   
   I do wish all the folks who know what's best for
   the rest of us would get together and agree on
   their talking points.
  
  That your problem, Judy, in one sentence.  (The
  last one above.)
  
  You value consistency more than you do reality.
  
  You want easy answers instead of the real answers.
  
  In other words, you want the simplistic answers
  that Maharishi's been giving you for decades
  rather than answers that might be more accurate,
  but require some work on your part.
 
 Unc, lighten up. The last sentence was a funny joke. Read it 
 with the preceeding paragraph(s). Judy has a good sense of humor.

I am aware that she probably thought it was funny, 
in a putdown sorta way.  I am also aware of the
hundreds of posts she has written over the years on 
the value of consistency and her need to hear the
*same* answer every time.  That's why she likes
Maharishi.  She can't deal with teachers (to say
nothing of lowlives like ourselves) who deal in
contradictions and have different answers to life's
questions, depending on the state of attention or
POV that is in operation at the time.  I was poking 
fun at that.  It's probably one of those you have 
to have been there kinda things...







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Multiple Interpretations Possible

2005-10-01 Thread akasha_108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Unc, lighten up. The last sentence was a funny joke. Read it 
  with the preceeding paragraph(s). Judy has a good sense of humor.
 
 I am aware that she probably thought it was funny, 
 in a putdown sorta way.  I am also aware of the
 hundreds of posts she has written over the years on 
 the value of consistency and her need to hear the
 *same* answer every time.  That's why she likes
 Maharishi.  She can't deal with teachers (to say
 nothing of lowlives like ourselves) who deal in
 contradictions and have different answers to life's
 questions, depending on the state of attention or
 POV that is in operation at the time.  I was poking 
 fun at that.  It's probably one of those you have 
 to have been there kinda things...

I don't have the benefit of your deep accumulated layers of
interpretative filters regarding Judy. I just looked at her words for
what they were, and laughed. Go Figure! (Which in its deeper ancient
meaning is -- go look at it as a forground / background figure and see
if another interpreation of the same picture pops up)







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Multiple Interpretations Possible

2005-10-01 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
   Unc, lighten up. The last sentence was a funny joke. Read it 
   with the preceeding paragraph(s). Judy has a good sense of 
   humor.
  
  I am aware that she probably thought it was funny, 
  in a putdown sorta way.  I am also aware of the
  hundreds of posts she has written over the years on 
  the value of consistency and her need to hear the
  *same* answer every time.  That's why she likes
  Maharishi.  She can't deal with teachers (to say
  nothing of lowlives like ourselves) who deal in
  contradictions and have different answers to life's
  questions, depending on the state of attention or
  POV that is in operation at the time.  I was poking 
  fun at that.  It's probably one of those you have 
  to have been there kinda things...
 
 I don't have the benefit of your deep accumulated layers of
 interpretative filters regarding Judy. I just looked at her words 
 for what they were, and laughed. Go Figure! (Which in its deeper 
 ancient meaning is -- go look at it as a forground / background 
 figure and see if another interpreation of the same picture 
 pops up)

I stand corrected.  If someone laughed, it had value.

  





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Multiple Interpretations Possible

2005-10-01 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
snip
 I am aware that she probably thought it was funny, 
 in a putdown sorta way.  I am also aware of the
 hundreds of posts she has written over the years on 
 the value of consistency and her need to hear the
 *same* answer every time.  That's why she likes
 Maharishi.  She can't deal with teachers (to say
 nothing of lowlives like ourselves) who deal in
 contradictions and have different answers to life's
 questions, depending on the state of attention or
 POV that is in operation at the time.  I was poking 
 fun at that.  It's probably one of those you have 
 to have been there kinda things...

Barry can say this only because you guys *haven't*
been there.  If you had, you would have seen hundreds
of posts from me over the years that positively
*revel* in contradictions, including those in MMY's
teaching.  I've said many times I wished MMY would
make more of the contradictions than he does.

Barry and I have had many exchanges on this very
topic, so it isn't as though he'd missed those
posts.

There is, of course, also a value to consistency,
in its place.  The irony here is that Barry is
having trouble dealing with the apparent contradiction
of someone valuing consistency, on the one hand, and
valuing paradox, on the other.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Multiple Interpretations Possible

2005-10-01 Thread akasha_108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
   Unc, lighten up. The last sentence was a funny joke. Read it 
   with the preceeding paragraph(s). Judy has a good sense of humor.
  
  I am aware that she probably thought it was funny, 
  in a putdown sorta way.  I am also aware of the
  hundreds of posts she has written over the years on 
  the value of consistency and her need to hear the
  *same* answer every time.  That's why she likes
  Maharishi.  She can't deal with teachers (to say
  nothing of lowlives like ourselves) who deal in
  contradictions and have different answers to life's
  questions, depending on the state of attention or
  POV that is in operation at the time.  I was poking 
  fun at that.  It's probably one of those you have 
  to have been there kinda things...


Just an observation:

Byron Katie said that in here life, when ever she has felt lonely or
insecure, she can trace it back to putting her nose in i) others
peoples' business or ii) God's business (what IS), instead of her own
business for which she said there was ample work to do. Clearly that
doesn't work in reverse for you: sticking your nose in Judy's business
doesn't appear to make you lonely or insecure. Do you get the same
result when you stick your nose in God's business Listen here God,
don't give me none of that  It IS crap. This (whatever) should not
be. I will not accept it. 

I am only interested because I am sticking to my own business in
trying to figure out what path I want to follow: keeping my nose in my
business or sticking it both in other's and God's business. You seem
to be doing pretty well doing the latter so I wanted to be clearer on
the benefits. 

And what the hell is Byron Katie sticking her nose in my business for?

And does God only keep her nose in her business? Or does she put it in
others' business? 

If you get a nose job, does it lessen your ability to stick your nose
in others' business? 

And what are those Nosers of Reality all about?

I think Socrates nailed it when he said n 

I wants to nose.  





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Multiple Interpretations Possible

2005-09-30 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
   It's a problem.  I share your frustration with it
   being misunderstood sometimes.  Many people are
   so bloody SERIOUS that they just can't get
   someone who isn't, and who is laughing much of
   the time.  So you try to use emoticons to get
   the point across, and it has the opposite effect,
   and they get even more uptight.  Go figure.
  
  No, Barry, it doesn't make anybody uptight,
  despite your fondest wishes.  What it does is
  make *you* look phony.
  
  It's like a standup comic who laughs at his own
  jokes.  The really funny comics are those who
  stay deadpan.
  
  If you can't get your humor across without smileys,
  it just wasn't very funny to begin with.
 
 I agree in concept. But in practice, sometimes statements can be
 read in different ways. Either as an insult, or as a funny barb. 
 Some, I notice, rarely get the latter, unless it is BROADCAST 
 clearly. hey joke coming up ... ok that was a joke.

Sure.  It's just that if you don't use the signals
selectively, they lose their meaning.  It's like
putting an exclamation point after every sentence;
it gives each sentence the same emphasis, so the
exclams cancel each other out.

(I find that I tend to use smileys more as a kind of
punctuation than as signals of humor per se.  I'm
not quite sure what I mean by that, but I don't
know how else to describe it...)

 One might argue it wasn't funny then. I disagree. Thats not always 
 the case. I find, often, When the serious reader reads the barb / 
 satire in a new light (oh its a joke), they do laugh. I have 
 examples, I have names. (and thats a funny sentence  -- but without 
 voice nuance, many may read it as serious.) Without voice nuance, 
 distinguishing between multiple possible interpreations is a 
 problem.

I almost always know when you're being funny, whether
you use smileys or not.

Some of this has to do with who's doing it.  When
someone who is routinely really nasty to others puts
smileys after all their barbs, it's obvious they're
not genuine.  (And even if they were, that the person
would think such nastiness was funny doesn't say much
for their character.)

It also depends very much on the wording of the barb,
and the specific context.  There's a just-over-the
edge quality to humorous barbs that tends to be
lacking in barbs that are meant seriously.  When
smileys are put after the latter, there's an obvious
discordance; the tone just doesn't match.

And when someone who is normally light-hearted, and
usually delivers light-hearted barbs, suddenly 
comes up with one that's serious in tone, and
surrounds it with smileys, it's even more discordant.
If the barb had been meant humorously, they could
easily have phrased it in their usual light-hearted
manner.

 One thing mature readers can do, is, before going off on some pitta
 rampage, is think I am seeing this as an insult. I wonder if it can
 be seen in another light. Sort of like the foreground / background
 figures.
 
 Why some are predisposed to first see everything as insults, well
 thats another issue. It would probably take a good therapist to
 unravel it.

A lot of it depends on the relationship between the
person delivering the barb and the target.  You and
I have a fairly cordial relationship, so if you were
to send a barb my way sans smiley, my first assumption
would be that it was humorous.  So far, at least, it
would be unusual for you to say something really
nasty to me.

So there's a kind of benefit of the doubt involved.
With certain others here, it wouldn't make a lot of
sense to wonder whether they were being insulting
or not.  If they do deliver a barb that they don't
mean to be taken seriously--which does happen
occasionally--they know how to phrase it in a way
that makes this clear, with or without smileys.

Obviously these aren't hard-and-fast dividing lines;
a lot of nuance is involved that can easily be
missed.  Sometimes smileys help, sometimes they don't.
But the effect of *always* using smileys is the same
as that of *never* using smileys, except that the
former tends to make you look phony, whereas the
latter can make you look nastier than you mean to be
(which is the case with me sometimes, I'm afraid; I
should probably use them more often, but I tend to
avoid them because I have such a strong preference
for deadpan).





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Multiple Interpretations Possible

2005-09-30 Thread akasha_108
Judy:
It's just that if you don't use the signals
 selectively, they lose their meaning.  It's like
 putting an exclamation point after every sentence;
 it gives each sentence the same emphasis, so the
 exclams cancel each other out.

A:
Yes, agreed.

 
 (I find that I tend to use smileys more as a kind of
 punctuation than as signals of humor per se.  I'm
 not quite sure what I mean by that, but I don't
 know how else to describe it...)

Akasha: 
  One might argue it wasn't funny then. I disagree. Thats not always 
  the case. I find, often, When the serious reader reads the barb  
  satire in a new light (oh its a joke), they do laugh. I have 
  examples, I have names. (and thats a funny sentence  -- but
without  voice nuance, many may read it as serious.) Without voice
nuance, distinguishing between multiple possible interpreations is a 
problem.

J: 
 I almost always know when you're being funny, whether
 you use smileys or not.

A:
But I think you read carefully and are open to multiple meanings
Possibly enhanced by your worki in editing. I know that my self-edity
helps my reading skills.

J: 
 Some of this has to do with who's doing it.  When
 someone who is routinely really nasty to others puts
 smileys after all their barbs, it's obvious they're
 not genuine.  (And even if they were, that the person
 would think such nastiness was funny doesn't say much
 for their character.)

A:
Yes. But such profiling or pre-judgement can also have its pitfalls.
I know some readers have gotten it in their mind sets that I write
nasty things. In the past maybe it was a bit more pointed, though not
nasty IMO. Regardless, they have trouble shifting gears. It appears
that lots of stuff is first, and perhaps only seen as being an insult
-- when indeed it is meant as humor.  (This has changed over the past
months perhaps, people do slowly change their stereotyping.
 
J:
 It also depends very much on the wording of the barb,
 and the specific context.  There's a just-over-the
 edge quality to humorous barbs that tends to be
 lacking in barbs that are meant seriously.  

A:
Yes. Skillful writing involves providing the proper tip offs and
nuances in words, not relying on voice inflect.  Or Emoticons -- which
ultimately, IMO are a sigh of lazy writing.

J:
 And when someone who is normally light-hearted, and
 usually delivers light-hearted barbs, suddenly 
 comes up with one that's serious in tone, and
 surrounds it with smileys, it's even more discordant.
 If the barb had been meant humorously, they could
 easily have phrased it in their usual light-hearted
 manner.

A:
Agreed.

A: 
  One thing mature readers can do, is, before going off on some
pitta rampage, is think I am seeing this as an insult. I wonder if it
can be seen in another light. Sort of like the foreground /
background  figures.
  
  Why some are predisposed to first see everything as insults, well
  thats another issue. It would probably take a good therapist to
  unravel it.

 
 A lot of it depends on the relationship between the
 person delivering the barb and the target.  You and
 I have a fairly cordial relationship, so if you were
 to send a barb my way sans smiley, my first assumption
 would be that it was humorous.  So far, at least, it
 would be unusual for you to say something really
 nasty to me.

A:
Yes. History is a big factor. But as per my comments above, it can
cast ones view of another in steel sometimes and the flexibility is
lost. Thats why looking for multiple interpreations is always
important. And  giving the benefit of the doubt. Assume humor first.
If the data does not fit that interpretative model, THEN go on to
other interpreations. 

J; 
 So there's a kind of benefit of the doubt involved.
 With certain others here, it wouldn't make a lot of
 sense to wonder whether they were being insulting
 or not.  If they do deliver a barb that they don't
 mean to be taken seriously--which does happen
 occasionally--they know how to phrase it in a way
 that makes this clear, with or without smileys.
 
 Obviously these aren't hard-and-fast dividing lines;
 a lot of nuance is involved that can easily be
 missed.  Sometimes smileys help, sometimes they done .

A:
Yes. But I have made a conscious effort in the last month to minimize
them. Like if you don't get joke -- well then never mind

J:
 But the effect of *always* using smileys is the same
 as that of *never* using smileys, except that the 
 former tends to make you look phony, whereas the
 latter can make you look nastier than you mean to be
 (which is the case with me sometimes, I'm afraid; I
 should probably use them more often, but I tend to
 avoid them because I have such a strong preference
 for deadpan).

A:
Yes, deadpan is what makes a lot of things funny. The smiley can
destroy that. And is sort of condescending (hey, its a joke, I put
the smiley in cuz I figured you were too dumb to get it.)





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Multiple Interpretations Possible

2005-09-30 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
snip
 J: 
  I almost always know when you're being funny, whether
  you use smileys or not.
 
 A:
 But I think you read carefully and are open to multiple meanings
 Possibly enhanced by your worki in editing. I know that my self-
 edity helps my reading skills.

Yes, I'm sure being an editor makes a difference.
Just for one thing--and this is common but not
universal among editors--both reading and writing
for me has a very strong auditory component; I
hear the words in my inner ear.  I think that
increases sensitivity to nuance, especially with
regard to tone; it's a sort of multimedia effect.

snip
 J:
  It also depends very much on the wording of the barb,
  and the specific context.  There's a just-over-the
  edge quality to humorous barbs that tends to be
  lacking in barbs that are meant seriously.  
 
 A:
 Yes. Skillful writing involves providing the proper tip offs and
 nuances in words, not relying on voice inflect.  Or Emoticons -- 
 which ultimately, IMO are a sigh of lazy writing.

Exactly.

snip
 A:
 Yes, deadpan is what makes a lot of things funny. The smiley can
 destroy that. And is sort of condescending (hey, its a joke, I put
 the smiley in cuz I figured you were too dumb to get it.)

That too, yes indeed.

Also makes me think of teenage girls who dot their
i's with little hearts...





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Multiple Interpretations Possible

2005-09-30 Thread akasha_108
authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED]  

 Also makes me think of teenage girls who dot their
 i's with little hearts...

But how else would Barry know that they love him?







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Multiple Interpretations Possible

2005-09-30 Thread Rory Goff
Akasha:
Yes, deadpan is what makes a lot of things funny. The smiley can
  destroy that. And is sort of condescending (hey, its a joke, I put
  the smiley in cuz I figured you were too dumb to get it.)
 
 That too, yes indeed.

Judy:
 Also makes me think of teenage girls who dot their
 i's with little hearts...

*lol* (aka HA!) This is GREAT STUFF! So far, I am: Old, stale, 
unvarying, phoney and insincere, lazy-thinking and weak-writing, 
condescending, and immature. I love it! Did I miss anything? Keep it 
coming, guys, I am HUNGRY! :-)






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Multiple Interpretations Possible

2005-09-30 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 Akasha:
   Yes, deadpan is what makes a lot of things funny. The smiley
   can destroy that. And is sort of condescending (hey, its a 
   joke, I put the smiley in cuz I figured you were too dumb to
   get it.)
  
  That too, yes indeed.
 
 Judy:
  Also makes me think of teenage girls who dot their
  i's with little hearts...
 
 *lol* (aka HA!) This is GREAT STUFF! So far, I am: Old,
 stale, unvarying, phoney and insincere, lazy-thinking and weak-
 writing, condescending, and immature. I love it! Did I miss 
 anything? Keep it coming, guys, I am HUNGRY! :-)

Boy, it's all about Rory, isn't it?

I mean, he *is* the only person on the entire Internet
to use smileys, after all.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Multiple Interpretations Possible

2005-09-30 Thread akasha_108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Akasha:
 Yes, deadpan is what makes a lot of things funny. The smiley can
   destroy that. And is sort of condescending (hey, its a joke, I put
   the smiley in cuz I figured you were too dumb to get it.)
  
  That too, yes indeed.
 
 Judy:
  Also makes me think of teenage girls who dot their
  i's with little hearts...
 
 *lol* (aka HA!) This is GREAT STUFF! So far, I am: Old, stale, 
 unvarying, phoney and insincere, lazy-thinking and weak-writing, 
 condescending, and immature. I love it! Did I miss anything? Keep it 
 coming, guys, I am HUNGRY! :-)

I know its hard for you to fathom sometimes Rory, but its NOT always
about YOU. Lots of people use emoticons, including me -- too much IMO,
and our comments are about usagage across all posters. 

However, if you gain some insight in these posts -- and feel that the
shoe fits in some cases, feel free to grow. 







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Multiple Interpretations Possible

2005-09-30 Thread Rory Goff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
  Akasha:
Yes, deadpan is what makes a lot of things funny. The smiley
can destroy that. And is sort of condescending (hey, its a 
joke, I put the smiley in cuz I figured you were too dumb to
get it.)
   
   That too, yes indeed.
  
  Judy:
   Also makes me think of teenage girls who dot their
   i's with little hearts...
  
  *lol* (aka HA!) This is GREAT STUFF! So far, I am: Old,
  stale, unvarying, phoney and insincere, lazy-thinking and weak-
  writing, condescending, and immature. I love it! Did I miss 
  anything? Keep it coming, guys, I am HUNGRY! :-)
 
 Boy, it's all about Rory, isn't it?
 
 I mean, he *is* the only person on the entire Internet
 to use smileys, after all.

No, it's not all about Rory; it's all about ME. *HA!*

:-)




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Multiple Interpretations Possible

2005-09-30 Thread akasha_108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
   Akasha:
 Yes, deadpan is what makes a lot of things funny. The smiley
 can destroy that. And is sort of condescending (hey, its a 
 joke, I put the smiley in cuz I figured you were too dumb to
 get it.)

That too, yes indeed.
   
   Judy:
Also makes me think of teenage girls who dot their
i's with little hearts...
   
   *lol* (aka HA!) This is GREAT STUFF! So far, I am: Old,
   stale, unvarying, phoney and insincere, lazy-thinking and weak-
   writing, condescending, and immature. I love it! Did I miss 
   anything? Keep it coming, guys, I am HUNGRY! :-)
  
  Boy, it's all about Rory, isn't it?
  
  I mean, he *is* the only person on the entire Internet
  to use smileys, after all.
 
 No, it's not all about Rory; it's all about ME. *HA!*
 
 :-)

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Multiple Interpretations Possible

2005-09-30 Thread Rory Goff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 yada yada

Ja duh Ja duh




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Multiple Interpretations Possible

2005-09-30 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
  Akasha:
  Yes, deadpan is what makes a lot of things funny. The smiley can
destroy that. And is sort of condescending (hey, its a joke, 
I put
the smiley in cuz I figured you were too dumb to get it.)
   
   That too, yes indeed.
  
  Judy:
   Also makes me think of teenage girls who dot their
   i's with little hearts...
  
  *lol* (aka HA!) This is GREAT STUFF! So far, I am: Old,
  stale, unvarying, phoney and insincere, lazy-thinking and weak-
  writing, condescending, and immature. I love it! Did I miss 
  anything? Keep it coming, guys, I am HUNGRY! :-)
 
 I know its hard for you to fathom sometimes Rory, but its NOT always
 about YOU.

Well, but it is, you see, because Rory experiences
himself to be All of Us, all wrapped up in one big
package of bliss.  He is therefore the target of all
criticism and the recipient of all praise.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Multiple Interpretations Possible

2005-09-30 Thread Rory Goff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
   Akasha:
   Yes, deadpan is what makes a lot of things funny. The smiley 
can
 destroy that. And is sort of condescending (hey, its a 
joke, 
 I put
 the smiley in cuz I figured you were too dumb to get it.)

That too, yes indeed.
   
   Judy:
Also makes me think of teenage girls who dot their
i's with little hearts...
   
   *lol* (aka HA!) This is GREAT STUFF! So far, I am: Old,
   stale, unvarying, phoney and insincere, lazy-thinking and weak-
   writing, condescending, and immature. I love it! Did I miss 
   anything? Keep it coming, guys, I am HUNGRY! :-)
  
  I know its hard for you to fathom sometimes Rory, but its NOT 
always
  about YOU.
 
 Well, but it is, you see, because Rory experiences
 himself to be All of Us, all wrapped up in one big
 package of bliss.  He is therefore the target of all
 criticism and the recipient of all praise.

Who is He? *lol* There is only one ME, and that's the one reading 
this. HA!!



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[FairfieldLife] Re: Multiple Interpretations Possible

2005-09-30 Thread akasha_108
  I know its hard for you to fathom sometimes Rory, but its NOT always
  about YOU.
 
 Well, but it is, you see, because Rory experiences
 himself to be All of Us, all wrapped up in one big
 package of bliss.  He is therefore the target of all
 criticism and the recipient of all praise.

Well lets lynch him then for the crappy job he did in Iraq and New
Orleans -- and the current LA fires. And Global Warming. And Emoticons
and disco. 






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Multiple Interpretations Possible

2005-09-30 Thread Rory Goff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   I know its hard for you to fathom sometimes Rory, but its NOT 
always
   about YOU.
  
  Well, but it is, you see, because Rory experiences
  himself to be All of Us, all wrapped up in one big
  package of bliss.  He is therefore the target of all
  criticism and the recipient of all praise.
 
 Well lets lynch him then for the crappy job he did in Iraq and New
 Orleans -- and the current LA fires. And Global Warming. And 
Emoticons
 and disco.

HAAA! And let's not forget Auschwitz and Hiroshima and Abu Ghraib 
and aluminum siding and Disneyland. 

:-)




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Multiple Interpretations Possible

2005-09-30 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   I know its hard for you to fathom sometimes Rory, but its NOT 
always
   about YOU.
  
  Well, but it is, you see, because Rory experiences
  himself to be All of Us, all wrapped up in one big
  package of bliss.  He is therefore the target of all
  criticism and the recipient of all praise.
 
 Well lets lynch him then for the crappy job he did in Iraq and New
 Orleans -- and the current LA fires. And Global Warming. And
 Emoticons and disco.

What, you want us to commit mass suicide??






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Multiple Interpretations Possible

2005-09-30 Thread Rory Goff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
I know its hard for you to fathom sometimes Rory, but its NOT 
 always
about YOU.
   
   Well, but it is, you see, because Rory experiences
   himself to be All of Us, all wrapped up in one big
   package of bliss.  He is therefore the target of all
   criticism and the recipient of all praise.
  
  Well lets lynch him then for the crappy job he did in Iraq and New
  Orleans -- and the current LA fires. And Global Warming. And
  Emoticons and disco.
 
 What, you want us to commit mass suicide??

. HA! :-)

* I will survive * ... is that disco? My wife says yup. By the way she 
agreed to my nude dancing gigs.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Multiple Interpretations Possible

2005-09-30 Thread akasha_108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
 I know its hard for you to fathom sometimes Rory, but its NOT 
  always
 about YOU.

Well, but it is, you see, because Rory experiences
himself to be All of Us, all wrapped up in one big
package of bliss.  He is therefore the target of all
criticism and the recipient of all praise.
   
   Well lets lynch him then for the crappy job he did in Iraq and New
   Orleans -- and the current LA fires. And Global Warming. And
   Emoticons and disco.
  
  What, you want us to commit mass suicide??
 
 . HA! :-)
 
 * I will survive * ... is that disco? My wife says yup. By the way she 
 agreed to my nude dancing gigs.

I hope that doesn't mean WE all have to dance.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Multiple Interpretations Possible

2005-09-30 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
  I know its hard for you to fathom sometimes Rory, but its 
  NOT always about YOU.
 
 Well, but it is, you see, because Rory experiences
 himself to be All of Us, all wrapped up in one big
 package of bliss.  He is therefore the target of all
 criticism and the recipient of all praise.

Well lets lynch him then for the crappy job he did in Iraq 
and New Orleans -- and the current LA fires. And Global 
Warming. And Emoticons and disco.
   
   What, you want us to commit mass suicide??
  
  . HA! :-)
  
  * I will survive * ... is that disco? My wife says yup. By the
  way she agreed to my nude dancing gigs.
 
 I hope that doesn't mean WE all have to dance.

Or watch.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Multiple Interpretations Possible

2005-09-30 Thread Rory Goff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
  I know its hard for you to fathom sometimes Rory, but 
its NOT 
   always
  about YOU.
 
 Well, but it is, you see, because Rory experiences
 himself to be All of Us, all wrapped up in one big
 package of bliss.  He is therefore the target of all
 criticism and the recipient of all praise.

Well lets lynch him then for the crappy job he did in Iraq 
and New
Orleans -- and the current LA fires. And Global Warming. And
Emoticons and disco.
   
   What, you want us to commit mass suicide??
  
  . HA! :-)
  
  * I will survive * ... is that disco? My wife says yup. By the 
way she 
  agreed to my nude dancing gigs.
 
 I hope that doesn't mean WE all have to dance.

HA! I'm afraid so. By the way, in case *anyone* reading these posts 
is in doubt, my wife wishes to make it crystal clear that I was 
joking; she does NOT agree to any nude dancing gigs. HA! Seriously.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Multiple Interpretations Possible

2005-09-30 Thread Rory Goff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
   (I'd go even further than the map is not the
   territory and suggest that any verbal teaching
   whatsoever, no matter how enlightened the teacher,
   is delivered and received on the level of the
   mistake of the intellect.)
  
  I would go so far as to suggest that anyone who thought my 
teaching 
  was (primarily) verbal would certainly be operating on the level 
of 
  the mistake of the intellect. My teaching is bodily if 
anything :-)
 
 Not on this forum, it isn't.

Yes, on this forum it is. 
 
 But did you think I was targeting you specifically
 when I said that?  

You mean specifically the Rory-persona? No, of course not. I mean 
ME. The same ME that is in everyone, and vice versa. twinkle

How odd; it was in response to
 something Jim had said about MMY.  (Relatively
 speaking, of course.)

Ah yes. Some other personas of ME. :-)






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Multiple Interpretations Possible

2005-09-30 Thread Rory Goff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
   (I'd go even further than the map is not the
   territory and suggest that any verbal teaching
   whatsoever, no matter how enlightened the teacher,
   is delivered and received on the level of the
   mistake of the intellect.)
  
  I would go so far as to suggest that anyone who thought my 
teaching 
  was (primarily) verbal would certainly be operating on the level 
of 
  the mistake of the intellect. My teaching is bodily if anything :-)
 
 And thus the admonition about Full Montes on your profile picture.

You are admonishing me against revealing my pure essence?  Why is 
that? You have been enjoying the View for some time now :-)
 





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