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2013-10-21 Thread Share Long
e Xeno, there have been a few times when I have somehow snuck past all the *sleeping elephants* and experienced pure love or something very close to it. It is a way of being that is in perfect harmony with the world and all of its big and little details. It is all forms of human, conditional

[FairfieldLife] RE: Pope Francis technique

2013-10-21 Thread emptybill
Zenos the stranger: While you have that almost daemon-like entity in the Torah, you also have more abstract versions of god in Cabbalah, Jewish esoteric interpretations of scripture, which are much more in line with what people who seek enlightenment are engaged in. Don’t know where “almost”

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pope Francis technique

2013-10-21 Thread Richard J. Williams
They wonder whether classic anti-Semitism is not back with a vengeance all over Europe, after several decades of post-Holocaust toleration. The fact that campaigns to make kosher slaughter and even circumcision illegal are gaining ground in several countries, and were even endorsed at the

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Pope Francis technique

2013-10-21 Thread Richard J. Williams
Yeah, you told off the Americans on the discussion group. Good work! Do you still have your American passport? LoL! On 10/20/2013 11:51 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Share wrote: 'OTOH maybe God does want to enslave us, but only out of pure Love.'

[FairfieldLife] RE: Pope Francis technique

2013-10-21 Thread s3raphita
Re The fact that campaigns to make kosher slaughter and even circumcision illegal . . . : You are correct about the worrying rise in anti-Semitic violence in Europe - often carried out by Muslims. But Muslims would also be hit by a ban on circumcision. And if kosher slaughter is outlawed so

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Pope Francis technique

2013-10-20 Thread Share Long
Seraphita, I could see that the serpent could also be a symbol of kundalini, an essential concept from another religion. It's not that God wants to enslave us. It's that people with certain ideas about God want to enslave us. They want us to believe their ideas rather than the ideas of other

[FairfieldLife] Re: Pope Francis technique

2013-10-20 Thread Jason
The story of the fallen angel is figurative, metaphorical story. It's the process of creation itself, the bigbang. The spirit became matter, or fell into matter. Long long ago, we were one with the word. We lost our oneness with the word as soon as we bit the apple. The entire sprititual

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pope Francis technique

2013-10-20 Thread Richard J. Williams
According to what I've read, the first dualist philosophy was probably the Indian Samkhya system - the term 'samkhya' pertains to number. Samkhya is a Vedic first cousin to the Avestan dualism of the Persian Zoroaster and the Manichaen Manes. Sankhya is the basis of all subsequent Asian

RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Pope Francis technique

2013-10-20 Thread authfriend
Share wrote: Seraphita, I could see that the serpent could also be a symbol of kundalini, an essential concept from another religion. It's not that God wants to enslave us. It's that people with certain ideas about God want to enslave us. They want us to believe their ideas

Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Pope Francis technique

2013-10-20 Thread Share Long
Judy, I'm not 100% convinced that the Bible is God's word completely devoid of human interpretation. OTOH maybe God does want to enslave us, but only out of pure Love. On Sunday, October 20, 2013 10:13 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:    Share wrote: Seraphita, I

RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Pope Francis technique

2013-10-20 Thread authfriend
Share wrote: Judy, I'm not 100% convinced that the Bible is God's word completely devoid of human interpretation. You aren't!? That's just appalling. OTOH maybe God does want to enslave us, but only out of pure Love. No, no. God obviously hated Adam and Eve because they

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Pope Francis technique

2013-10-20 Thread TurquoiseB
As I've said before, IMO 'irony' is a tactic used primarily by people without balls who want to be able to tell the truth, but then deny that they said it later, claiming that they were 'only being ironic.' - Apr 3, 2013, some FFLer or another --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Share

[FairfieldLife] Re: Pope Francis technique

2013-10-20 Thread authfriend
ROTFL. Saying something false more than once doesn't somehow make it more true, Barry. We know from long experience why you would try to diss irony and the folks you don't like who use it: It's because you have a lot of trouble recognizing irony and have many times been embarrassed by having

RE: RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Pope Francis technique

2013-10-20 Thread anartaxius
Share wrote: 'OTOH maybe God does want to enslave us, but only out of pure Love.' Were I this god, I would love this; you have succumbed to the propaganda of a tyrant. Thomas Jefferson, an admirer of Jesus but not of much else in the Christian Bible wrote of this god of the Torah (as

Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Pope Francis technique

2013-10-20 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Share wrote: 'OTOH maybe God does want to enslave us, but only out of pure Love.' Were I this god, I would love this; you have succumbed to the propaganda of a tyrant. Thomas Jefferson, an admirer of Jesus but not of much else in the

Re: RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Pope Francis technique

2013-10-20 Thread Share Long
Xeno, is it even possible to enslave out of pure Love? I believe that it is and that it is one of the great paradoxes of life. Like the way a parent will set strong boundaries to protect their child. Like that, God, or we can call it Life, wants to give us all of itself. It will put us through

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Pope Francis technique

2013-10-20 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB turquoiseb@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: (snip) Can you imagine an American President speaking like this today? Can you imagine an American President even having the balls to try? No one else can, either.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Pope Francis technique

2013-10-20 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB turquoiseb@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: (snip) Can you imagine an American President speaking like this today? Can you imagine an American President

[FairfieldLife] RE: Pope Francis technique

2013-10-20 Thread s3raphita
For those interested in the Christian faith can I recommend two books by Alan Watts. He made a name for himself with his books on Zen and eastern religions. Those books are all readable and rewarding - if approached with caution - but I've found his earlier works on Christianity both better

[FairfieldLife] RE: Pope Francis technique

2013-10-20 Thread emptybill
A much more interesting read is Watts' The Supreme Identity (1950) which is largely based upon the insights of Rene Guenon. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote: For those interested in the Christian faith can I recommend two books by Alan Watts. He made a name for

RE: Re: RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Pope Francis technique

2013-10-20 Thread anartaxius
I don't know. What is the difference between 'love' and 'pure love'? When people fall in love, they tend to be, for a while, enslaved by that feeling because ego becomes subdued. When one loves, though, there is a flow from subject to the perceived object, but I am not clear on what 'purity'

[FairfieldLife] RE: Pope Francis technique

2013-10-19 Thread emptybill
According to the Orthodox, Ancestral Sin caused the reversal of paradisaical deathlessness by creating the consequential mortality that we all inherited. Obviously a mythologized explanation but this is how they explain why humans are prone to concupiscence and deviance of will. Better

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Pope Francis technique

2013-10-19 Thread Richard J. Williams
It seems obvious that the stories and myths gathered in the Bible were assembled from immortality and fertility myths which were in common circulation at that time, that is, about 3000 years ago. Stephen Oppenheimer, writing in Eden in the East notes that many of these same mythic elements are

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Pope Francis technique

2013-10-19 Thread Share Long
Richard, do other cultures have a myth about the fall of humanity that centers around acquiring some forbidden knowledge? And in other cultures is the fall blamed on the women? On Saturday, October 19, 2013 2:04 PM, Richard J. Williams pundits...@gmail.com wrote:   It seems obvious that

[FairfieldLife] RE: Pope Francis technique

2013-10-19 Thread s3raphita
Re the doctrine of creation ex nihilo is a whole lot older than modern Christianity.: Indeed, the doctrine was dismissed by Parmenides in the 5th centruy BC with his remark Nothing comes from nothing. Can't fault that logic! There is a whole shed load of doctrines a whole lot older than

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Pope Francis technique

2013-10-19 Thread Richard J. Williams
The Fall of Man myth is a universal story that teaches by means of a confidence trick. And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil; and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the Tree of Life, and eat, and live for ever... therefore the

[FairfieldLife] RE: Pope Francis technique

2013-10-19 Thread s3raphita
Re And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat; But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die (Genesis 2:16-17). : Precisely! Man didn't die so

[FairfieldLife] RE: Pope Francis technique

2013-10-18 Thread s3raphita
Who is on those pictures, Daddy? He replied, The Virgin Mary and Jesus. She picked up the icon, kissed it and hugged it to her chest exclaiming, Oh, daddy, they love you so much! Then, he told me, We understood. It's all about affection. If it's really all about affection who needed

[FairfieldLife] RE: Pope Francis technique

2013-10-18 Thread s3raphita
Re The writer is making a distinction between (Eastern) Orthodox Christianity and Western Christianity and how and why they diverged after the first roughly four centuries following Christ's death (and presumably his Resurrection).: Yep - and I'm making a distinction between what Christ

[FairfieldLife] RE: Pope Francis technique

2013-10-17 Thread emptybill
I had a long time friend who was a TM teacher in Thailand, Malaysia and Singapore in the mid-70's who talked with Basil Pennington on ATR. Basil's concern was how to port over the TM technique to revive the Catholic contemplative tradition. He believed this could be done and was working with

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Pope Francis technique

2013-10-17 Thread Share Long
emptybill, it's not only the Roman Catholic Church that thinks this of TM. Back in the 80s some Jehovah Witnesses told me that TM is the work of the devil, that it says so in the Bible. I asked if the Bible actually used the phrase Transcendental Meditation. They admitted that it didn't but

RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Pope Francis technique

2013-10-17 Thread authfriend
Share wrote: emptybill, it's not only the Roman Catholic Church that thinks this of TM. No kidding!! Boy, I bet emptybill will be surprised to learn this. Actually Protestant fundamentalist Christians generally, not just Jehovah's Witnesses, think TM is the work of the devil.

Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Pope Francis technique

2013-10-17 Thread Share Long
Judy, indeed emptybill is very knowledgeable. I was launching into my experience with that sentence. On Thursday, October 17, 2013 10:10 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:   Share wrote: emptybill, it's not only the Roman Catholic Church that thinks this of TM. No

RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Pope Francis technique

2013-10-17 Thread authfriend
Because you thought he thought it was just Catholics and wanted him to know it was also Jehovah's Witnesses. But you weren't aware that fundamentalist Christians (Protestants) generally, not just Jehovah's Witnesses, think TM is of the devil. Share wrote: Judy, indeed emptybill is very

Re: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Pope Francis technique

2013-10-17 Thread Share Long
I didn't think that about empty. It was simply my intro into my story. On Thursday, October 17, 2013 11:01 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:   Because you thought he thought it was just Catholics and wanted him to know it was also Jehovah's Witnesses. But you weren't

RE: Re: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Pope Francis technique

2013-10-17 Thread authfriend
Don't believe you, sorry. Share wrote: I didn't think that about empty. It was simply my intro into my story. On Thursday, October 17, 2013 11:01 AM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote: Because you thought he thought it was just Catholics and wanted him to know it was also

Re: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Pope Francis technique

2013-10-17 Thread Share Long
No need to be sorry, it's just your opinion to which you are entitled. On Thursday, October 17, 2013 11:21 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com wrote:   I didn't think that about empty. It was simply my intro into my story. On Thursday, October 17, 2013 11:01 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com

RE: Re: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Pope Francis technique

2013-10-17 Thread authfriend
You seem to be responding to a different post than the one you quote. But don't worry, it was just a courtesy because I know it upsets you that I don't fall for your dishonesty, and I know you can't help being dishonest; after all, being truthful would require you to take account of reality.

[FairfieldLife] RE: Pope Francis technique

2013-10-17 Thread emptybill
Judy, I remember asking the same question to my friend as he repeated the conversation. He said I guess he was a TM teacher because you had to be one to be there on course. Mm ... a TM teacher. If Basil is worse than a fallen Catholic then he must be a devil worshiper!

[FairfieldLife] RE: Pope Francis technique

2013-10-17 Thread emptybill
Read this and then see if you have questions. http://www.stmaryorthodoxchurch.org/orthodoxy/articles/ancestral_versus_original_sin ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote: Well, at least he uses Christian sacred words rather than the Sanskrit mantras the devil

[FairfieldLife] Re: Pope Francis technique

2013-10-13 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, srijau@... wrote: what a friend we have in Francis, uses the most well researched, the effective technique, not for me to spell out better to just connect dots please and than-you If you're trying to imply that Pope Francis practices TM, I for one

[FairfieldLife] RE: Pope Francis technique

2013-10-13 Thread dhamiltony2k5
Our organization is nondenominational and all are welcome to attend our prayer groups. Our mission is to help churches and parishes, schools and places of prayer establish a Centering Prayer Program ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: Heck, everybody is