[FairfieldLife] Re: Question for TM Cheerleaders to Doc
It may be that techniques have a certain life span in this spiritual business. If you get one too early, it won't work. If you use one for a long time, it might come to a natural interruption; you stop, then start again later. It might come to a natural end. For example, with TM, you sometimes switch techniques, advancing the technique. Other systems may do the same, they give you techniques for a certain specific purpose, and if that purpose if fulfilled, you need it no more. For example, Zen koans are techniques for illuminating certain facets of experience. Starting and Stopping are natural transitions. For example, if you get hit by a car traveling at 200km/hr your spiritual progress transitions to an absolute value.
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if Barry is to be driven mad by the success of TM, he is destined for a loong life of utter sanity. And Vedic Masters??? What a joke! U referring to the rajas or are there some secret Hindoos we don't know about? Show me the people who got enlightened thru TM - come on show me. Enlightenment if it exists, has nothing to do with TM or any meditation - it come when it comes - it certainly has nothing to do with good karma, oh and by the way people like your fellow German Eckhart Tolle and that feller Adyashanti are among those who say meditation has nothing to do with enlightenment. But for me, I like UG Krishnamurti who says there is no such thing as enlightenment at all. People call me an 'enlightened man' -- I detest that term -- they can't find any other word to describe the way I am functioning. At the same time, I point out that there is no such thing as enlightenment at all. I say that because all my life I've searched and wanted to be an enlightened man, and I discovered that there is no such thing as enlightenment at all, and so the question whether a particular person is enlightened or not doesn't arise. I don't give a hoot for a sixth-century-BC Buddha, let alone all the other claimants we have in our midst. They are a bunch of exploiters, thriving on the gullibility of the people. There is no power outside of man. Man has created God out of fear. So the problem is fear and not God. - UG Krishnamurti From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 7, 2013 1:37 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Question for TM Cheerleaders to Doc --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: It drives Barry stark staring BONKERS that DrD doesn't give a rusty nail whether anyone believes he's enlightened. What is much worse for the Turq than the idea of the big E is that it comes from practise of TM, good karma, timing and grace by the Vedic Masters. He can probably live with the fact that some achieve freedom, but from TM ??? No F** way, not in this lifetime. It's a painful reminder that he vasted his life on trickers and llamas instead of doing what the only Master he ever met, however briefly, suggested. It's the success of TM that drives him stark staring BONKERS or to use his own words: Bat Shit Crazy :-)
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: [snip] Subject: Sorli fra Bulandi passes Dear Baddi, I do hope this letter finds you and your family well and thriving in beautiful Iceland. We have so many happy memories and connections of the heart there! I just wanted to let you know that our precious and beloved friend, Sorli passed away in the dawn hours after being in failing health for the last 6 months. He was 28 years old. We are awash in feelings of appreciation and gratitude to this magnificient horse who we were so blessed to have in our lives thanks to YOU! Sorli brought us nothing but bliss in the 14 years he lived with us. I will never forget the day Sorli arrived. It was in the winter after a very deep snowfall. He came just after Doug had had his stroke. Doug was still so fragile and unsteady in body and mind that we were not sure he would ride again...something he was very worried about not being possible for himself. I remember going out and riding Sorli to check him out in that deep soft snow what a fabulous, life altering experience! Sorli's calm nature, his power, fluidity, and his utter responsiveness assured me that he was going to be a very good horse for Doug to recover on. And so it was. Some time shortly after that unbeknownst to me, Doug snuck out the door, managed to saddle Sorli for himself and tried him too for a few minutes, if awkwardly but he came back in aglow with triumph and excitement. So Sorli's first job was to serve as a therapeutic riding horse for Doug. Sorli took such good care of him then and has all along! I will always have these beautiful visions of Doug riding out on Sorli sometimes for a short spin around the neighborhood and often for hours. I never worried for his safety. I knew Sorli would be there for him no matter what. And whenever Doug has had a difficult day as his brain injury never completely healedSorli was always 'best medicine' to reintegrate his mind, spirit and body. Though living here on our little place has been a humble life for a great horse like Sorli, none the less, Sorli and Doug were 'famous' around town. People would saythere goes Doug Hamilton on his black horse'and they were always a 'head turning' pair. Doug would always return restored, refreshed and in awe of the gifts of safety, pleasure and power that Sorli shared so effortlessly and naturally. A funny Sorli story and fond memory...one day I was unhappy and in a foul mood. Doug knew better than to try to talk me out of it! So he left the house for a bit and after a while when I walked back into the living room there was Sorli...calmly standing there saddled and ready to go!!He was looking a bit guilty! He had a look of 'I know I am not supposed to be in here! Doug did it!' I laughed so hard and all angry gloom left my heart/mind in a flash! Sorli was my therapy horse, as well! And of course Sorli served so so many people in the Midwest as a sterling example of what horses can beand the glories of the Icelandic breed in particular. For years we would hear from people who remembered your performance with Sorli in all those fairs we did together in those early happy times! What fun we had together! And the enduring impression of Baddi and that black horse drew so many to Icelandics! Yes, indeed. And with your skill you would always bring out so much from Sorli and it was evident that he enjoyed giving you all he had to give, too. I know that in many ways Sorli was under utilized here in America. That he could have probably been shown more, used as a breeding horse even more, etc. but he was fully appreciated and deeply loved by us...a real member of the family. And of course, hundreds of people rode him...often times not even knowing they were riding a stallion until after the ride! and through him they became infatuated with Icelandics. Like you, he was a great ambassador for Iceland and Icelandics all his life! Sorli is a great soul. A cherished friend. And even in the suffering of his last hours, he continued to be a gentleman to the last. We are going to cremate him. And i am wondering if I could ask a small favor. If we send a small amount of his ashes to you in Icelandwould you be so kind as to release them in some beautiful place for us? I like to think of this equine son of Iceland returning to his motherland. Would that be okay? If not. We certainly understand. So. Please give our love to all your dear family. And to you, old friendagain we have the deepest gratitude for making Sorli possible for us! We are going to miss him mightly. And for us, he is one of the greatest horses we have ever known, truly a first class horse in all ways. Love and all blessings, Jennifer and Doug Doug,
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: It drives Barry stark staring BONKERS that DrD doesn't give a rusty nail whether anyone believes he's enlightened. What is much worse for the Turq than the idea of the big E is that it comes from practise of TM, good karma, timing and grace by the Vedic Masters. He can probably live with the fact that some achieve freedom, but from TM ??? No F** way, not in this lifetime. It's a painful reminder that he vasted his life on trickers and llamas instead of doing what the only Master he ever met, however briefly, suggested. It's the success of TM that drives him stark staring BONKERS or to use his own words: Bat Shit Crazy :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Question for TM Cheerleaders to Doc
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: For Buck and Sorli: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YcTaflDPFk Subject: Sorli fra Bulandi passes Dear Baddi, I do hope this letter finds you and your family well and thriving in beautiful Iceland. We have so many happy memories and connections of the heart there! I just wanted to let you know that our precious and beloved friend, Sorli passed away in the dawn hours after being in failing health for the last 6 months. He was 28 years old. We are awash in feelings of appreciation and gratitude to this magnificient horse who we were so blessed to have in our lives thanks to YOU! Sorli brought us nothing but bliss in the 14 years he lived with us. I will never forget the day Sorli arrived. It was in the winter after a very deep snowfall. He came just after Doug had had his stroke. Doug was still so fragile and unsteady in body and mind that we were not sure he would ride again...something he was very worried about not being possible for himself. I remember going out and riding Sorli to check him out in that deep soft snow what a fabulous, life altering experience! Sorli's calm nature, his power, fluidity, and his utter responsiveness assured me that he was going to be a very good horse for Doug to recover on. And so it was. Some time shortly after that unbeknownst to me, Doug snuck out the door, managed to saddle Sorli for himself and tried him too for a few minutes, if awkwardly but he came back in aglow with triumph and excitement. So Sorli's first job was to serve as a therapeutic riding horse for Doug. Sorli took such good care of him then and has all along! I will always have these beautiful visions of Doug riding out on Sorli sometimes for a short spin around the neighborhood and often for hours. I never worried for his safety. I knew Sorli would be there for him no matter what. And whenever Doug has had a difficult day as his brain injury never completely healedSorli was always 'best medicine' to reintegrate his mind, spirit and body. Though living here on our little place has been a humble life for a great horse like Sorli, none the less, Sorli and Doug were 'famous' around town. People would saythere goes Doug Hamilton on his black horse'and they were always a 'head turning' pair. Doug would always return restored, refreshed and in awe of the gifts of safety, pleasure and power that Sorli shared so effortlessly and naturally. A funny Sorli story and fond memory...one day I was unhappy and in a foul mood. Doug knew better than to try to talk me out of it! So he left the house for a bit and after a while when I walked back into the living room there was Sorli...calmly standing there saddled and ready to go!!He was looking a bit guilty! He had a look of 'I know I am not supposed to be in here! Doug did it!' I laughed so hard and all angry gloom left my heart/mind in a flash! Sorli was my therapy horse, as well! And of course Sorli served so so many people in the Midwest as a sterling example of what horses can beand the glories of the Icelandic breed in particular. For years we would hear from people who remembered your performance with Sorli in all those fairs we did together in those early happy times! What fun we had together! And the enduring impression of Baddi and that black horse drew so many to Icelandics! Yes, indeed. And with your skill you would always bring out so much from Sorli and it was evident that he enjoyed giving you all he had to give, too. I know that in many ways Sorli was under utilized here in America. That he could have probably been shown more, used as a breeding horse even more, etc. but he was fully appreciated and deeply loved by us...a real member of the family. And of course, hundreds of people rode him...often times not even knowing they were riding a stallion until after the ride! and through him they became infatuated with Icelandics. Like you, he was a great ambassador for Iceland and Icelandics all his life! Sorli is a great soul. A cherished friend. And even in the suffering of his last hours, he continued to be a gentleman to the last. We are going to cremate him. And i am wondering if I could ask a small favor. If we send a small amount of his ashes to you in Icelandwould you be so kind as to release them in some beautiful place for us? I like to think of this equine son of Iceland returning to his motherland. Would that be okay? If not. We certainly understand. So. Please give our love to all your dear family. And to you, old friendagain we have the deepest gratitude for making Sorli possible for us! We are going to miss him mightly. And for us, he is one of the greatest horses we have ever known, truly a first class horse in all
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Doc, I was having a very similar thought in the Dome this morning: that people who stopped doing TM and TMSP long ago have no idea, even more importantly, no experience of what the long term effects are. And they can be very difficult to describe. AND I'm guessing that it has something to do with whole brain whole body functioning rather than partial brain partial body functioning. I'm deliberately using this whole brain whole body language rather than some other language that might be more abstract. I remember that one goal of YF is to increase mind body coordination. From: doctordumb...@rocketmail.com doctordumb...@rocketmail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 6, 2013 8:04 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Question for TM Cheerleaders snip TM is not the static believerism you make it out to be. You have NO IDEA about the techniques' long term effects because you quit doing it, decades ago. snip --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: My point is that a lot of these discussions are, from my point of view, falling prey to one of the most chronic TM fallacies. People repeat stuff they were TOLD -- by the people selling them the technique -- as if it were not only true, but cosmically true, Gospel Truth. They consider these things Truth so strongly that they *assume* them, parrot them along without even *noticing* the assumption, and then base other, subsequent statements on them as if the Truth of the assumptions was a given. Now that's something I noticed, that the theories and the mindset created continues way after a person actually leaves TM. If you were let's say 10 years in TM, your belief system will be influenced still decades after you left it - not all of the beliefs, but enough for you to still uncover it, if you are interested in it. And if you are interested in challenging their supposed truth or value. In my experience, it's these core or *never challenged* beliefs that persist the longest, and are toughest to either recognize or challenge. Stuff like *assuming* that effortless is better, or that the only way to transcend is via effortlessness. People have been repeating that meme for so long -- in most cases *without ever trying a technique not based on effortlessness to see if it's really true* -- that they no longer realize that it's a fundamental belief that underlies and shapes all other beliefs they have about meditation in general, and sometimes about life itself. A poignant example of this, related to me by at least half a different spiritual teachers from traditions other than TM, has to do with what long-term TMers come to their public introductory talks. Often a tech- nique of meditation is taught, and of course they sit there and look as if they're trying it, just like everyone else in the audience. But all of these teachers have related the same story to me. Some of these TMers actually come up to them later and ask to meet with them privately, because they're interested in attending more talks, or study- ing with them, often because they liked the overall energy of the group or of the teacher, or liked the things he or she talked about. What these teachers have learned to do, out of long experience, is to ask the former TMers, When we practiced the meditation I was teaching, did you actually *try* it, or did you sit there doing TM? Be scrupulously honest now. In *most* cases, when dealing with former TMers, they admit that they never *did* try the new technique of meditation. Some admit that some part of them still felt guilty about trying it, as if doing so were somehow wrong or sinful, and others admitted to not having tried it because they already knew how to meditate. Most of these teachers at this point asked the person applying to study with them to go away, and return when they had regained the ability to achieve Beginner's Mind, and approach a new study with humility, and not with arrogance. Few ever did. If you discover that Maharishi was playing games with beliefs, inventing stories to make people go along with it, and then see how long it takes to get rid of it, it makes you think. And it's a real *challenge*, both to identify these core beliefs, to challenge them when you do, and then to drop them if you find them not true or not valuable for you. This is more effort than most people who've invested for many years in a spiritual tradition are willing to expend. They pay lip service to having walked away, but *when* they walk away, they do so still carrying years of indoc- trination and beliefs
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Doc, I was having a very similar thought in the Dome this morning: that people who stopped doing TM and TMSP long ago have no idea, even more importantly, no experience of what the long term effects are. Not so true. Many of the people here who have stopped DID practice TM for a long time. And in addition were very involved in teaching the technique.  And they can be very difficult to describe. AND I'm guessing that it has something to do with whole brain whole body functioning rather than partial brain partial body functioning. I'm deliberately using this whole brain whole body language rather than some other language that might be more abstract. I remember that one goal of YF is to increase mind body coordination.   From: doctordumbass@... doctordumbass@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 6, 2013 8:04 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Question for TM Cheerleaders  snip TM is not the static believerism you make it out to be. You have NO IDEA about the techniques' long term effects because you quit doing it, decades ago. snip --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: My point is that a lot of these discussions are, from my point of view, falling prey to one of the most chronic TM fallacies. People repeat stuff they were TOLD -- by the people selling them the technique -- as if it were not only true, but cosmically true, Gospel Truth. They consider these things Truth so strongly that they *assume* them, parrot them along without even *noticing* the assumption, and then base other, subsequent statements on them as if the Truth of the assumptions was a given. Now that's something I noticed, that the theories and the mindset created continues way after a person actually leaves TM. If you were let's say 10 years in TM, your belief system will be influenced still decades after you left it - not all of the beliefs, but enough for you to still uncover it, if you are interested in it. And if you are interested in challenging their supposed truth or value. In my experience, it's these core or *never challenged* beliefs that persist the longest, and are toughest to either recognize or challenge. Stuff like *assuming* that effortless is better, or that the only way to transcend is via effortlessness. People have been repeating that meme for so long -- in most cases *without ever trying a technique not based on effortlessness to see if it's really true* -- that they no longer realize that it's a fundamental belief that underlies and shapes all other beliefs they have about meditation in general, and sometimes about life itself. A poignant example of this, related to me by at least half a different spiritual teachers from traditions other than TM, has to do with what long-term TMers come to their public introductory talks. Often a tech- nique of meditation is taught, and of course they sit there and look as if they're trying it, just like everyone else in the audience. But all of these teachers have related the same story to me. Some of these TMers actually come up to them later and ask to meet with them privately, because they're interested in attending more talks, or study- ing with them, often because they liked the overall energy of the group or of the teacher, or liked the things he or she talked about. What these teachers have learned to do, out of long experience, is to ask the former TMers, When we practiced the meditation I was teaching, did you actually *try* it, or did you sit there doing TM? Be scrupulously honest now. In *most* cases, when dealing with former TMers, they admit that they never *did* try the new technique of meditation. Some admit that some part of them still felt guilty about trying it, as if doing so were somehow wrong or sinful, and others admitted to not having tried it because they already knew how to meditate. Most of these teachers at this point asked the person applying to study with them to go away, and return when they had regained the ability to achieve Beginner's Mind, and approach a new study with humility, and not with arrogance. Few ever did. If you discover that Maharishi was playing games with beliefs, inventing stories to make people go along with it, and then see how long it takes to get rid of it, it makes you think. And it's a real *challenge*, both to identify these core beliefs, to challenge them when you do, and then to drop
[FairfieldLife] Re: Question for TM Cheerleaders to Doc
Another expression I enjoy for this sort of person is, armchair quarterback, aka, armchair general. No expertise, except the capacity to sit on their rear-ends and make stuff up they don't like, about stuff they know nothing about. Not exactly mature behavior. Yes, with practice, TMSP leads to near perfect mental/physical integration. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Doc, I was having a very similar thought in the Dome this morning: that people who stopped doing TM and TMSP long ago have no idea, even more importantly, no experience of what the long term effects are. And they can be very difficult to describe. AND I'm guessing that it has something to do with whole brain whole body functioning rather than partial brain partial body functioning. I'm deliberately using this whole brain whole body language rather than some other language that might be more abstract. I remember that one goal of YF is to increase mind body coordination.   From: doctordumbass@... doctordumbass@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 6, 2013 8:04 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Question for TM Cheerleaders  snip TM is not the static believerism you make it out to be. You have NO IDEA about the techniques' long term effects because you quit doing it, decades ago. snip --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: My point is that a lot of these discussions are, from my point of view, falling prey to one of the most chronic TM fallacies. People repeat stuff they were TOLD -- by the people selling them the technique -- as if it were not only true, but cosmically true, Gospel Truth. They consider these things Truth so strongly that they *assume* them, parrot them along without even *noticing* the assumption, and then base other, subsequent statements on them as if the Truth of the assumptions was a given. Now that's something I noticed, that the theories and the mindset created continues way after a person actually leaves TM. If you were let's say 10 years in TM, your belief system will be influenced still decades after you left it - not all of the beliefs, but enough for you to still uncover it, if you are interested in it. And if you are interested in challenging their supposed truth or value. In my experience, it's these core or *never challenged* beliefs that persist the longest, and are toughest to either recognize or challenge. Stuff like *assuming* that effortless is better, or that the only way to transcend is via effortlessness. People have been repeating that meme for so long -- in most cases *without ever trying a technique not based on effortlessness to see if it's really true* -- that they no longer realize that it's a fundamental belief that underlies and shapes all other beliefs they have about meditation in general, and sometimes about life itself. A poignant example of this, related to me by at least half a different spiritual teachers from traditions other than TM, has to do with what long-term TMers come to their public introductory talks. Often a tech- nique of meditation is taught, and of course they sit there and look as if they're trying it, just like everyone else in the audience. But all of these teachers have related the same story to me. Some of these TMers actually come up to them later and ask to meet with them privately, because they're interested in attending more talks, or study- ing with them, often because they liked the overall energy of the group or of the teacher, or liked the things he or she talked about. What these teachers have learned to do, out of long experience, is to ask the former TMers, When we practiced the meditation I was teaching, did you actually *try* it, or did you sit there doing TM? Be scrupulously honest now. In *most* cases, when dealing with former TMers, they admit that they never *did* try the new technique of meditation. Some admit that some part of them still felt guilty about trying it, as if doing so were somehow wrong or sinful, and others admitted to not having tried it because they already knew how to meditate. Most of these teachers at this point asked the person applying to study with them to go away, and return when they had regained the ability to achieve Beginner's Mind, and approach a new study with humility, and not with arrogance. Few ever did. If you discover that Maharishi was playing games with beliefs, inventing stories to make people go along with it, and
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... no_reply@... wrote: Yes, with practice, TMSP leads to near perfect mental/physical integration. Catchy little soundbite, but what does it actually mean?
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I was confirming what Share was talking about. It means a much shorter distance in general between desire, and fulfillment of same. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: Yes, with practice, TMSP leads to near perfect mental/physical integration. Catchy little soundbite, but what does it actually mean?
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: Yes, with practice, TMSP leads to near perfect mental/ physical integration. Catchy little soundbite, but what does it actually mean? I was confirming what Share was talking about. It means a much shorter distance in general between desire, and fulfillment of same. How's that desire of yours to have people on this forum actually believe you're enlightened going for you? Care to put it to the test and actually ask them? :-)
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... no_reply@... wrote: I was confirming what Share was talking about. It means a much shorter distance in general between desire, and fulfillment of same. And how does one go about measuring it? Or is it one of the many promises I came across in TM that exist as things that must be happening because that's what I was told would happen?
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No - don't BS yourself. It is simply a relative measurement of how well your desires have been fulfilled in the past, vs. now. If mind/body coordination is increasing, then YF is working, and desires are fulfilled more quickly. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: I was confirming what Share was talking about. It means a much shorter distance in general between desire, and fulfillment of same. And how does one go about measuring it? Or is it one of the many promises I came across in TM that exist as things that must be happening because that's what I was told would happen?
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Man, you have a very, very poor memory, Turq (as if that's a surprise). My insistence on my enlightenment, CC at the time, was as a demonstration that enlightenment was possible for anyone, and not the pie in the sky unobtainable state that you and your now absent fair weather friends insisted upon. You are sorely mistaken if you think I have ever been concerned that someone doesn't think I am enlightened. Enlightenment doesn't care about anyone else's opinion. It is a personal measure of success. However, I would like to gently remind you that I AM ENLIGHTENED, and don't you ever forget it!!! LOL! Seriously, fulfillment of desires once enlightened, once spiritually liberated, makes a life like yours, Turq, look pitiful and pathetic. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: Yes, with practice, TMSP leads to near perfect mental/ physical integration. Catchy little soundbite, but what does it actually mean? I was confirming what Share was talking about. It means a much shorter distance in general between desire, and fulfillment of same. How's that desire of yours to have people on this forum actually believe you're enlightened going for you? Care to put it to the test and actually ask them? :-)
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: Yes, with practice, TMSP leads to near perfect mental/ physical integration. Catchy little soundbite, but what does it actually mean? I was confirming what Share was talking about. It means a much shorter distance in general between desire, and fulfillment of same. How's that desire of yours to have people on this forum actually believe you're enlightened going for you? Care to put it to the test and actually ask them? :-) It drives Barry stark staring BONKERS that DrD doesn't give a rusty nail whether anyone believes he's enlightened.
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I know!! Every time he trots it out, because of his own confusion and superstition around the idea of enlightenment, he thinks he is being shocking and confrontational, as if he is asking me about a past cross dressing episode or something! He SO wants to be the arbiter of enlightenment, anointing others, only if it makes sense to him - lol. Enlightenment responds by immediately laughing in his sagging face, pinches his wrinkled cheek, tousles his thinning hair, and continues on, unperturbed, and undisturbed. Drives him nuts-o, but what's a Mother to do?? :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: Yes, with practice, TMSP leads to near perfect mental/ physical integration. Catchy little soundbite, but what does it actually mean? I was confirming what Share was talking about. It means a much shorter distance in general between desire, and fulfillment of same. How's that desire of yours to have people on this forum actually believe you're enlightened going for you? Care to put it to the test and actually ask them? :-) It drives Barry stark staring BONKERS that DrD doesn't give a rusty nail whether anyone believes he's enlightened.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Question for TM Cheerleaders to Doc
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... no_reply@... wrote: I know!! Every time he trots it out, because of his own confusion and superstition around the idea of enlightenment, he thinks he is being shocking and confrontational, as if he is asking me about a past cross dressing episode or something! He SO wants to be the arbiter of enlightenment, anointing others, only if it makes sense to him - lol. Enlightenment responds by immediately laughing in his sagging face, pinches his wrinkled cheek, tousles his thinning hair, and continues on, unperturbed, and undisturbed. Drives him nuts-o, but what's a Mother to do?? :-) O Docteur, what a little provocateur you are. And what an image you have created here. Don't be too harsh on the guy, he is outnumbered, outgunned and I am starting to feel compassion. I have a ways to go in the evolution department, I admit it. Enlightenment is still a concept for me and I am still not sure it exists as imagined by the general population. Enlightenment is out there (in there) I just don't think it can be quantified or qualified, defined or put in a neat little package. It's all about degrees. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: Yes, with practice, TMSP leads to near perfect mental/ physical integration. Catchy little soundbite, but what does it actually mean? I was confirming what Share was talking about. It means a much shorter distance in general between desire, and fulfillment of same. How's that desire of yours to have people on this forum actually believe you're enlightened going for you? Care to put it to the test and actually ask them? :-) It drives Barry stark staring BONKERS that DrD doesn't give a rusty nail whether anyone believes he's enlightened.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Question for TM Cheerleaders to Doc
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: I know!! Every time he trots it out, because of his own confusion and superstition around the idea of enlightenment, he thinks he is being shocking and confrontational, as if he is asking me about a past cross dressing episode or something! He SO wants to be the arbiter of enlightenment, anointing others, only if it makes sense to him - lol. Enlightenment responds by immediately laughing in his sagging face, pinches his wrinkled cheek, tousles his thinning hair, and continues on, unperturbed, and undisturbed. Drives him nuts-o, but what's a Mother to do?? :-) O Docteur, what a little provocateur you are. And what an image you have created here. Don't be too harsh on the guy, he is outnumbered, outgunned and I am starting to feel compassion. I have a ways to go in the evolution department, I admit it. Enlightenment is still a concept for me and I am still not sure it exists as imagined by the general population. Enlightenment is out there (in there) I just don't think it can be quantified or qualified, defined or put in a neat little package. It's all about degrees. Degrees? Yes, and Dumbass here has a PhD in It[!!]. Me, just a trooper. Before Enlightenment chop wood, carry water, feed horses. After Enlightenment chop wood, carry water, feed horses. I ain't got no thing to say about It. -Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: Yes, with practice, TMSP leads to near perfect mental/ physical integration. Catchy little soundbite, but what does it actually mean? I was confirming what Share was talking about. It means a much shorter distance in general between desire, and fulfillment of same. How's that desire of yours to have people on this forum actually believe you're enlightened going for you? Care to put it to the test and actually ask them? :-) It drives Barry stark staring BONKERS that DrD doesn't give a rusty nail whether anyone believes he's enlightened.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Question for TM Cheerleaders to Doc
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: I know!! Every time he trots it out, because of his own confusion and superstition around the idea of enlightenment, he thinks he is being shocking and confrontational, as if he is asking me about a past cross dressing episode or something! He SO wants to be the arbiter of enlightenment, anointing others, only if it makes sense to him - lol. Enlightenment responds by immediately laughing in his sagging face, pinches his wrinkled cheek, tousles his thinning hair, and continues on, unperturbed, and undisturbed. Drives him nuts-o, but what's a Mother to do?? :-) O Docteur, what a little provocateur you are. And what an image you have created here. Don't be too harsh on the guy, he is outnumbered, outgunned and I am starting to feel compassion. I have a ways to go in the evolution department, I admit it. Enlightenment is still a concept for me and I am still not sure it exists as imagined by the general population. Enlightenment is out there (in there) I just don't think it can be quantified or qualified, defined or put in a neat little package. It's all about degrees. Degrees? Yes, and Dumbass here has a PhD in It[!!]. Me, just a trooper. Before Enlightenment chop wood, carry water, feed horses. After Enlightenment chop wood, carry water, feed horses. I ain't got no thing to say about It. -Buck Yep, life and death on the farm I spent the whole day today cremating an old war horse. 12 railroad ties to reduce a viking to ashes. Life is short. It is a good lesson. Make use of your time. -Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: Yes, with practice, TMSP leads to near perfect mental/ physical integration. Catchy little soundbite, but what does it actually mean? I was confirming what Share was talking about. It means a much shorter distance in general between desire, and fulfillment of same. How's that desire of yours to have people on this forum actually believe you're enlightened going for you? Care to put it to the test and actually ask them? :-) It drives Barry stark staring BONKERS that DrD doesn't give a rusty nail whether anyone believes he's enlightened.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Question for TM Cheerleaders to Doc
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: I know!! Every time he trots it out, because of his own confusion and superstition around the idea of enlightenment, he thinks he is being shocking and confrontational, as if he is asking me about a past cross dressing episode or something! He SO wants to be the arbiter of enlightenment, anointing others, only if it makes sense to him - lol. Enlightenment responds by immediately laughing in his sagging face, pinches his wrinkled cheek, tousles his thinning hair, and continues on, unperturbed, and undisturbed. Drives him nuts-o, but what's a Mother to do?? :-) O Docteur, what a little provocateur you are. And what an image you have created here. Don't be too harsh on the guy, he is outnumbered, outgunned and I am starting to feel compassion. I have a ways to go in the evolution department, I admit it. Enlightenment is still a concept for me and I am still not sure it exists as imagined by the general population. Enlightenment is out there (in there) I just don't think it can be quantified or qualified, defined or put in a neat little package. It's all about degrees. Degrees? Yes, and Dumbass here has a PhD in It[!!]. Me, just a trooper. Before Enlightenment chop wood, carry water, feed horses. After Enlightenment chop wood, carry water, feed horses. I ain't got no thing to say about It. -Buck Well, I'll come and chop wood, carry water and feed horses with you. Oh, and dig out the occasional snowed in car too. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: Yes, with practice, TMSP leads to near perfect mental/ physical integration. Catchy little soundbite, but what does it actually mean? I was confirming what Share was talking about. It means a much shorter distance in general between desire, and fulfillment of same. How's that desire of yours to have people on this forum actually believe you're enlightened going for you? Care to put it to the test and actually ask them? :-) It drives Barry stark staring BONKERS that DrD doesn't give a rusty nail whether anyone believes he's enlightened.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Question for TM Cheerleaders to Doc
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: I know!! Every time he trots it out, because of his own confusion and superstition around the idea of enlightenment, he thinks he is being shocking and confrontational, as if he is asking me about a past cross dressing episode or something! He SO wants to be the arbiter of enlightenment, anointing others, only if it makes sense to him - lol. Enlightenment responds by immediately laughing in his sagging face, pinches his wrinkled cheek, tousles his thinning hair, and continues on, unperturbed, and undisturbed. Drives him nuts-o, but what's a Mother to do?? :-) O Docteur, what a little provocateur you are. And what an image you have created here. Don't be too harsh on the guy, he is outnumbered, outgunned and I am starting to feel compassion. I have a ways to go in the evolution department, I admit it. Enlightenment is still a concept for me and I am still not sure it exists as imagined by the general population. Enlightenment is out there (in there) I just don't think it can be quantified or qualified, defined or put in a neat little package. It's all about degrees. Degrees? Yes, and Dumbass here has a PhD in It[!!]. Me, just a trooper. Before Enlightenment chop wood, carry water, feed horses. After Enlightenment chop wood, carry water, feed horses. I ain't got no thing to say about It. -Buck Yep, life and death on the farm I spent the whole day today cremating an old war horse. 12 railroad ties to reduce a viking to ashes. Life is short. It is a good lesson. Make use of your time. -Buck Now that is a messy way to do that. Incinerating 1200 pounds of muscle, gristle and bone to ashes with railroad ties?! Why did you not bury it? If it was put down with tranquilizer then you did the right thing but if you shot it maybe you should have buried it. I let the good old ones come to my place to be put down and buried. I have a mare I bred and she is 29 this year. I imagine she will be buried in my orchard in the not too distant future. She will have an elevated and sunny spot under a fruit tree and I will weep for her - copiously. Presumably you wept for yours. They deserve it, you know. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: Yes, with practice, TMSP leads to near perfect mental/ physical integration. Catchy little soundbite, but what does it actually mean? I was confirming what Share was talking about. It means a much shorter distance in general between desire, and fulfillment of same. How's that desire of yours to have people on this forum actually believe you're enlightened going for you? Care to put it to the test and actually ask them? :-) It drives Barry stark staring BONKERS that DrD doesn't give a rusty nail whether anyone believes he's enlightened.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Question for TM Cheerleaders to Doc
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: I know!! Every time he trots it out, because of his own confusion and superstition around the idea of enlightenment, he thinks he is being shocking and confrontational, as if he is asking me about a past cross dressing episode or something! He SO wants to be the arbiter of enlightenment, anointing others, only if it makes sense to him - lol. Enlightenment responds by immediately laughing in his sagging face, pinches his wrinkled cheek, tousles his thinning hair, and continues on, unperturbed, and undisturbed. Drives him nuts-o, but what's a Mother to do?? :-) O Docteur, what a little provocateur you are. And what an image you have created here. Don't be too harsh on the guy, he is outnumbered, outgunned and I am starting to feel compassion. I have a ways to go in the evolution department, I admit it. Enlightenment is still a concept for me and I am still not sure it exists as imagined by the general population. Enlightenment is out there (in there) I just don't think it can be quantified or qualified, defined or put in a neat little package. It's all about degrees. Degrees? Yes, and Dumbass here has a PhD in It[!!]. Me, just a trooper. Before Enlightenment chop wood, carry water, feed horses. After Enlightenment chop wood, carry water, feed horses. I ain't got no thing to say about It. -Buck Yep, life and death on the farm I spent the whole day today cremating an old war horse. 12 railroad ties to reduce a viking to ashes. Life is short. It is a good lesson. Make use of your time. -Buck Now that is a messy way to do that. Incinerating 1200 pounds of muscle, gristle and bone to ashes with railroad ties?! Why did you not bury it? If it was put down with tranquilizer then you did the right thing but if you shot it maybe you should have buried it. I let the good old ones come to my place to be put down and buried. I have a mare I bred and she is 29 this year. I imagine she will be buried in my orchard in the not too distant future. She will have an elevated and sunny spot under a fruit tree and I will weep for her - copiously. Presumably you wept for yours. They deserve it, you know. Yes, Subject: Sorli fra Bulandi passes Dear Baddi, I do hope this letter finds you and your family well and thriving in beautiful Iceland. We have so many happy memories and connections of the heart there! I just wanted to let you know that our precious and beloved friend, Sorli passed away in the dawn hours after being in failing health for the last 6 months. He was 28 years old. We are awash in feelings of appreciation and gratitude to this magnificient horse who we were so blessed to have in our lives thanks to YOU! Sorli brought us nothing but bliss in the 14 years he lived with us. I will never forget the day Sorli arrived. It was in the winter after a very deep snowfall. He came just after Doug had had his stroke. Doug was still so fragile and unsteady in body and mind that we were not sure he would ride again...something he was very worried about not being possible for himself. I remember going out and riding Sorli to check him out in that deep soft snow what a fabulous, life altering experience! Sorli's calm nature, his power, fluidity, and his utter responsiveness assured me that he was going to be a very good horse for Doug to recover on. And so it was. Some time shortly after that unbeknownst to me, Doug snuck out the door, managed to saddle Sorli for himself and tried him too for a few minutes, if awkwardly but he came back in aglow with triumph and excitement. So Sorli's first job was to serve as a therapeutic riding horse for Doug. Sorli took such good care of him then and has all along! I will always have these beautiful visions of Doug riding out on Sorli sometimes for a short spin around the neighborhood and often for hours. I never worried for his safety. I knew Sorli would be there for him no matter what. And whenever Doug has had a difficult day as his brain injury never completely healedSorli was always 'best medicine' to reintegrate his mind, spirit and body. Though living here on our little place has been a humble life for a great horse like Sorli, none the less, Sorli and Doug were 'famous' around town. People would saythere goes Doug Hamilton on his black horse'and they were always a 'head turning' pair. Doug would always return restored, refreshed and in awe of the gifts of safety, pleasure
[FairfieldLife] Re: Question for TM Cheerleaders to Doc
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: I know!! Every time he trots it out, because of his own confusion and superstition around the idea of enlightenment, he thinks he is being shocking and confrontational, as if he is asking me about a past cross dressing episode or something! He SO wants to be the arbiter of enlightenment, anointing others, only if it makes sense to him - lol. Enlightenment responds by immediately laughing in his sagging face, pinches his wrinkled cheek, tousles his thinning hair, and continues on, unperturbed, and undisturbed. Drives him nuts-o, but what's a Mother to do?? :-) O Docteur, what a little provocateur you are. And what an image you have created here. Don't be too harsh on the guy, he is outnumbered, outgunned and I am starting to feel compassion. I have a ways to go in the evolution department, I admit it. Enlightenment is still a concept for me and I am still not sure it exists as imagined by the general population. Enlightenment is out there (in there) I just don't think it can be quantified or qualified, defined or put in a neat little package. It's all about degrees. Degrees? Yes, and Dumbass here has a PhD in It[!!]. Me, just a trooper. Before Enlightenment chop wood, carry water, feed horses. After Enlightenment chop wood, carry water, feed horses. I ain't got no thing to say about It. -Buck Yep, life and death on the farm I spent the whole day today cremating an old war horse. 12 railroad ties to reduce a viking to ashes. Life is short. It is a good lesson. Make use of your time. -Buck Now that is a messy way to do that. Incinerating 1200 pounds of muscle, gristle and bone to ashes with railroad ties?! Why did you not bury it? If it was put down with tranquilizer then you did the right thing but if you shot it maybe you should have buried it. I let the good old ones come to my place to be put down and buried. I have a mare I bred and she is 29 this year. I imagine she will be buried in my orchard in the not too distant future. She will have an elevated and sunny spot under a fruit tree and I will weep for her - copiously. Presumably you wept for yours. They deserve it, you know. Yes, Subject: Sorli fra Bulandi passes Dear Baddi, I do hope this letter finds you and your family well and thriving in beautiful Iceland. We have so many happy memories and connections of the heart there! I just wanted to let you know that our precious and beloved friend, Sorli passed away in the dawn hours after being in failing health for the last 6 months. He was 28 years old. We are awash in feelings of appreciation and gratitude to this magnificient horse who we were so blessed to have in our lives thanks to YOU! Sorli brought us nothing but bliss in the 14 years he lived with us. I will never forget the day Sorli arrived. It was in the winter after a very deep snowfall. He came just after Doug had had his stroke. Doug was still so fragile and unsteady in body and mind that we were not sure he would ride again...something he was very worried about not being possible for himself. I remember going out and riding Sorli to check him out in that deep soft snow what a fabulous, life altering experience! Sorli's calm nature, his power, fluidity, and his utter responsiveness assured me that he was going to be a very good horse for Doug to recover on. And so it was. Some time shortly after that unbeknownst to me, Doug snuck out the door, managed to saddle Sorli for himself and tried him too for a few minutes, if awkwardly but he came back in aglow with triumph and excitement. So Sorli's first job was to serve as a therapeutic riding horse for Doug. Sorli took such good care of him then and has all along! I will always have these beautiful visions of Doug riding out on Sorli sometimes for a short spin around the neighborhood and often for hours. I never worried for his safety. I knew Sorli would be there for him no matter what. And whenever Doug has had a difficult day as his brain injury never completely healedSorli was always 'best medicine' to reintegrate his mind, spirit and body. Though living here on our little place has been a humble life for a great horse like Sorli, none the less, Sorli and Doug were 'famous' around town. People would
