Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs the myth of the invincible, infallible Goddess

[Share Long]

Xeno, when Manson says about the coyote: He's in a state of total paranoia, and 
total paranoia is total awareness. That's the big tip off right there IMHO. The 
guy, and probably the coyote too, are running on reptilian brain. Which of 
course is preternaturally powerful, ancient, all about survival and unconscious 
drives. We all got one. Good to acknowledge yet know that's not the whole story.




 From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 9:15 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs  the myth of the 
invincible, infallible Goddess
 


  
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote:

 Hilarious Grandpa, I need some social skills from a cold, heartless zombie 
 like you?

Absolutely not. That you would even think of such a thing in passing shows you 
are hopelessly deranged. I would suggest another source. I suggest Charles 
Manson:

'We're all our own prisons, we are each all our own wardens and we do our own 
time. I can't judge anyone else. What other people do is not really my affair 
unless they approach me with it. Prison's in your mind. Can't you see I'm free?'

'Will of God.. whatever you wanna call it.. you call it Jesus, call it 
Mohammed, call it goobybob, call it nuclear mind, call it blow the world up, 
call it your heart. Whatever you wanna call it, it's still music to me. It's 
there. It's the will of life.'

'As long as there's hate in your heart, there'll be hate in the world. You 
can't fight for peace and you cannot capture freedom.'

'Have you ever seen the coyote in the desert? Watching, tuned in, completely 
aware. Christ on the cross, the coyote in the desert — it's the same thing, 
man. The coyote is beautiful. He moves through the desert delicately, aware of 
everything, looking around. He hears every sound, smells every smell, sees 
everything that moves. He's in a state of total paranoia, and total paranoia is 
total awareness.'

'There's nothing wrong with being incompetent... It just means you don't have 
to do as much.'


 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs the myth of the invincible, infallible Goddess

[iranitea]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius  wrote:


 'There's nothing wrong with being incompetent... It just means you
don't have to do as much.'

Now that's classic - love it! Is it really by Manson originally?

The Mean Girls Club

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbQMXJwuqeI

[FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs the myth of the invincible, infallible Goddess

[Jason]

Maharishi failed to tell you that if the brain has serious
hardware problems, TM is practically useless.  Other schools
have already acknowledged this.

http://www.youramazingbrain.org/brainchanges/braindamage.htm
http://www.youramazingbrain.org/brainchanges/braindamage.htm

http://newindianexpress.com/magazine/article406720.ece
http://newindianexpress.com/magazine/article406720.ece


---  Share Long sharelong60@... wrote:

 Xeno, when Manson says about the coyote: He's in a state of total
paranoia, and total paranoia is total awareness. That's the big tip off
right there IMHO. The guy, and probably the coyote too, are running on
reptilian brain. Which of course is preternaturally powerful, ancient,
all about survival and unconscious drives. We all got one. Good to
acknowledge yet know that's not the whole story.




 ---  Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote:

  Hilarious Grandpa, I need some social skills from a cold, heartless
zombie like you?


  From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@...

 Absolutely not. That you would even think of such a thing in passing
shows you are hopelessly deranged. I would suggest another source. I
suggest Charles Manson:

 'We're all our own prisons, we are each all our own wardens and we do
our own time. I can't judge anyone else. What other people do is not
really my affair unless they approach me with it. Prison's in your mind.
Can't you see I'm free?'

 'Will of God.. whatever you wanna call it.. you call it Jesus, call it
Mohammed, call it goobybob, call it nuclear mind, call it blow the world
up, call it your heart. Whatever you wanna call it, it's still music to
me. It's there. It's the will of life.'

 'As long as there's hate in your heart, there'll be hate in the world.
You can't fight for peace and you cannot capture freedom.'

 'Have you ever seen the coyote in the desert? Watching, tuned in,
completely aware. Christ on the cross, the coyote in the desert â€
it's the same thing, man. The coyote is beautiful. He moves through the
desert delicately, aware of everything, looking around. He hears every
sound, smells every smell, sees everything that moves. He's in a state
of total paranoia, and total paranoia is total awareness.'

 'There's nothing wrong with being incompetent... It just means you
don't have to do as much.'

[FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs the myth of the invincible, infallible Goddess

[Ann]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote:

 *sigh*
 
 Yeah you figured out my Grandpa Xeno - in the absence of his Universal,
 abstract constructs he turns into a graceless, tactless douche-bag.
 
 But you know what that creepy, cold, heartless bastard may have never
 fallen in love, may have never sung a song in joy or pain, may never have
 played an instrument, written poetry, loved any children or pets, but he
 certainly loves me !!! Because his Universal, abstract constructs fail once
 I start messing with his big head and so he will be always be redeemed
 because that bitter, sullen old man loves me.

Xeno will forever be remembered in my mind as the man who said bone a babe. I 
have never quite heard it said like this and coming from him it opened my eyes 
a little bit. Now all this talk about Charlie M with his unquotable quotes. 
Ravi, you have finally gotten to the Xenon, you hit some tragic nerve and all 
Spock-like control has left him, for a few moments.
 
 
 
 
 
 On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 6:48 PM, obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:
 
  **
 
 
  Xeno Exustio Offensio Vulnus Anorexias, Bone a babe?  Come on! Really?
  You need social skills!  Here;
 
 
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyIuuktFTn0
 
 
 
 
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula wrote:
  
   On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 3:12 PM, Xenophaneros Anartaxius 
   anartaxius@ wrote:
  
**
 
   
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@
wrote:
   
 ​You trying to start a debate with reality Grandpa 
 Xeno?
 
   

 You are one of the most hopelessly deluded persons on FFL BTW. The
  man of
 the Universal, abstract constructs aka platitudes :-)
   
You really need to bone a babe Ravi. You are stuck, you gotta break
  out of
that mold. Do you have a standardised form you fill out when you post?
   
'You are { insult #1 }, { insult #2 }, { insult #3 }, etc., {
categorisation remark #1 }, { categorisation remark #2 }, etc.
   
You write and post some nice things from time to time. You need some
social skills not related to reading Judy's and Barry's posts.
   
  
   ​Hilarious Grandpa, I need some social skills from a cold, 
   heartless
  zombie
 
   like you? LOL..I am a natural charmer, I easily charm and entertain and
   captivate an audience. It shows how alienated from reality and how
   hopelessly deluded you are, you idiot.
  
   Did you read Bob Price from last night, that I make insults sing and
  dance?
  
   I spend lot of intelligence in my insults - whereas you SPEND ZERO
   INTELLIGENCE AND ZERO CREATIVITY in your Universal, abstract constructs.
  
   My insults are highly customized for each individual you ignorant fool -
   show me where I reuse my insults - who else have I accused of using
   Universal, abstract constructs other than you?
  
   I only use generic insults when I'm still in the bait, provoke mode,
  still
   collecting some information on an individual, building my dossier.
  
   ​
  
  
   
   
   
  
 
   
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs the myth of the invincible, infallible Goddess

[emilymae.reyn]

Iranitea, I feel forced to counter this with:

Our Father who art in heaven,
hallowed be thy name.
Thy kingdom come.
Thy will be done
on earth as it is in heaven.
Give us this day our daily bread,
and forgive us our trespasses,
as we forgive those who trespass against us,
and lead us not into temptation,
but deliver us from evil.
For thine is the kingdom,
and the power, and the glory,
for ever and ever.
Amen.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@... wrote:

 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius  wrote:
 
 
  'There's nothing wrong with being incompetent... It just means you
 don't have to do as much.'
 
 Now that's classic - love it! Is it really by Manson originally?
 
 The Mean Girls Club
 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbQMXJwuqeI

[FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs the myth of the invincible, infallible Goddess

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@... wrote:
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius  wrote:
 
  'There's nothing wrong with being incompetent... It just means you
 don't have to do as much.'
 
 Now that's classic - love it! Is it really by Manson originally?
 
 The Mean Girls Club
 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbQMXJwuqeI

Wow, we really scare the bejesus out of you, don't we?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs the myth of the invincible, infallible Goddess

[Ann]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote:

 Xeno, when Manson says about the coyote: He's in a state of total paranoia, 
 and total paranoia is total awareness. That's the big tip off right there 
 IMHO. The guy, and probably the coyote too, are running on reptilian brain. 
 Which of course is preternaturally powerful, ancient, all about survival and 
 unconscious drives. We all got one. Good to acknowledge yet know that's not 
 the whole story.

Any attempt to analyze Manson and what motivates him is not only frivolous but 
probably dangerous. Reptilian brains aside, a thinking cap might prove useful 
here.
 
 
 
 
  From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 9:15 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs  the myth of the 
 invincible, infallible Goddess
  
 
 
   
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote:
 
  Hilarious Grandpa, I need some social skills from a cold, heartless zombie 
  like you?
 
 Absolutely not. That you would even think of such a thing in passing shows 
 you are hopelessly deranged. I would suggest another source. I suggest 
 Charles Manson:
 
 'We're all our own prisons, we are each all our own wardens and we do our own 
 time. I can't judge anyone else. What other people do is not really my affair 
 unless they approach me with it. Prison's in your mind. Can't you see I'm 
 free?'
 
 'Will of God.. whatever you wanna call it.. you call it Jesus, call it 
 Mohammed, call it goobybob, call it nuclear mind, call it blow the world up, 
 call it your heart. Whatever you wanna call it, it's still music to me. It's 
 there. It's the will of life.'
 
 'As long as there's hate in your heart, there'll be hate in the world. You 
 can't fight for peace and you cannot capture freedom.'
 
 'Have you ever seen the coyote in the desert? Watching, tuned in, completely 
 aware. Christ on the cross, the coyote in the desert †it's the same thing, 
 man. The coyote is beautiful. He moves through the desert delicately, aware 
 of everything, looking around. He hears every sound, smells every smell, sees 
 everything that moves. He's in a state of total paranoia, and total paranoia 
 is total awareness.'
 
 'There's nothing wrong with being incompetent... It just means you don't have 
 to do as much.'

[FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs the myth of the invincible, infallible Goddess

[iranitea]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@ wrote:
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius  wrote:
  
   'There's nothing wrong with being incompetent... It just means you
  don't have to do as much.'
  
  Now that's classic - love it! Is it really by Manson originally?
  
  The Mean Girls Club
  
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbQMXJwuqeI
 
 Wow, we really scare the bejesus out of you, don't we?

Nope, you don't. Just having a little fun here. :D

[FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs the myth of the invincible, infallible Goddess

[emilymae.reyn]

This review of Guinn's book was in the paper:
http://seattletimes.com/html/books/2021627178_charlesmansonbiographyxml.\
html
http://seattletimes.com/html/books/2021627178_charlesmansonbiographyxml\
.html

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann  wrote:



 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote:
 
  Xeno, when Manson says about the coyote: He's in a state of total
paranoia, and total paranoia is total awareness. That's the big tip off
right there IMHO. The guy, and probably the coyote too, are running on
reptilian brain. Which of course is preternaturally powerful, ancient,
all about survival and unconscious drives. We all got one. Good to
acknowledge yet know that's not the whole story.

 Any attempt to analyze Manson and what motivates him is not only
frivolous but probably dangerous. Reptilian brains aside, a thinking cap
might prove useful here.
 
 
 
  
   From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 9:15 PM
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs  the myth
of the invincible, infallible Goddess
 
 
 
  Â
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula  wrote:
 
   Hilarious Grandpa, I need some social skills from a cold,
heartless zombie like you?
 
  Absolutely not. That you would even think of such a thing in passing
shows you are hopelessly deranged. I would suggest another source. I
suggest Charles Manson:
 
  'We're all our own prisons, we are each all our own wardens and we
do our own time. I can't judge anyone else. What other people do is not
really my affair unless they approach me with it. Prison's in your mind.
Can't you see I'm free?'
 
  'Will of God.. whatever you wanna call it.. you call it Jesus, call
it Mohammed, call it goobybob, call it nuclear mind, call it blow the
world up, call it your heart. Whatever you wanna call it, it's still
music to me. It's there. It's the will of life.'
 
  'As long as there's hate in your heart, there'll be hate in the
world. You can't fight for peace and you cannot capture freedom.'
 
  'Have you ever seen the coyote in the desert? Watching, tuned in,
completely aware. Christ on the cross, the coyote in the desert â€
it's the same thing, man. The coyote is beautiful. He moves through the
desert delicately, aware of everything, looking around. He hears every
sound, smells every smell, sees everything that moves. He's in a state
of total paranoia, and total paranoia is total awareness.'
 
  'There's nothing wrong with being incompetent... It just means you
don't have to do as much.'
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs the myth of the invincible, infallible Goddess

[emilymae.reyn]

Just choosing to combat evil this morning, Iranitea.  I always take 
sociopaths/psychopaths seriously - ever been on the other end of one?  Not 
something to play with.  

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@... wrote:

 Well, Emily, that's nice. If I inspired you to pray, I am actually quite 
 happy about it. Next time, don't take it too serious, okay ;-)
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymae.reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote:
 
  Iranitea, I feel forced to counter this with:
  
  Our Father who art in heaven,
  hallowed be thy name.
  Thy kingdom come.
  Thy will be done
  on earth as it is in heaven.
  Give us this day our daily bread,
  and forgive us our trespasses,
  as we forgive those who trespass against us,
  and lead us not into temptation,
  but deliver us from evil.
  For thine is the kingdom,
  and the power, and the glory,
  for ever and ever.
  Amen.
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@ wrote:
  
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius  wrote:
   
   
'There's nothing wrong with being incompetent... It just means you
   don't have to do as much.'
   
   Now that's classic - love it! Is it really by Manson originally?
   
   The Mean Girls Club
   
   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbQMXJwuqeI
  
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs the myth of the invincible, infallible Goddess

[iranitea]

Well, Emily, that's nice. If I inspired you to pray, I am actually quite happy 
about it. Next time, don't take it too serious, okay ;-)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymae.reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote:

 Iranitea, I feel forced to counter this with:
 
 Our Father who art in heaven,
 hallowed be thy name.
 Thy kingdom come.
 Thy will be done
 on earth as it is in heaven.
 Give us this day our daily bread,
 and forgive us our trespasses,
 as we forgive those who trespass against us,
 and lead us not into temptation,
 but deliver us from evil.
 For thine is the kingdom,
 and the power, and the glory,
 for ever and ever.
 Amen.
 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@ wrote:
 
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius  wrote:
  
  
   'There's nothing wrong with being incompetent... It just means you
  don't have to do as much.'
  
  Now that's classic - love it! Is it really by Manson originally?
  
  The Mean Girls Club
  
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbQMXJwuqeI
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs the myth of the invincible, infallible Goddess

[iranitea]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymae.reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote:

 Just choosing to combat evil this morning, Iranitea.  I always take 
 sociopaths/psychopaths seriously - ever been on the other end of one?  

No, I was lucky not to have this experience.  Sorry to evoke some bad memories 
and stuff.

 Not something to play with.  
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@ wrote:
 
  Well, Emily, that's nice. If I inspired you to pray, I am actually quite 
  happy about it. Next time, don't take it too serious, okay ;-)
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymae.reyn emilymae.reyn@ 
  wrote:
  
   Iranitea, I feel forced to counter this with:
   
   Our Father who art in heaven,
   hallowed be thy name.
   Thy kingdom come.
   Thy will be done
   on earth as it is in heaven.
   Give us this day our daily bread,
   and forgive us our trespasses,
   as we forgive those who trespass against us,
   and lead us not into temptation,
   but deliver us from evil.
   For thine is the kingdom,
   and the power, and the glory,
   for ever and ever.
   Amen.
   
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@ wrote:
   

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius  wrote:


 'There's nothing wrong with being incompetent... It just means you
don't have to do as much.'

Now that's classic - love it! Is it really by Manson originally?

The Mean Girls Club

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbQMXJwuqeI
   
  
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs the myth of the invincible, infallible Goddess

[doctordumbass]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@... wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote:
 
  *sigh*
  
  Yeah you figured out my Grandpa Xeno - in the absence of his Universal,
  abstract constructs he turns into a graceless, tactless douche-bag.
  
  But you know what that creepy, cold, heartless bastard may have never
  fallen in love, may have never sung a song in joy or pain, may never have
  played an instrument, written poetry, loved any children or pets, but he
  certainly loves me !!! Because his Universal, abstract constructs fail once
  I start messing with his big head and so he will be always be redeemed
  because that bitter, sullen old man loves me.
 
 Xeno will forever be remembered in my mind as the man who said bone a babe. 
 I have never quite heard it said like this and coming from him it opened my 
 eyes a little bit. Now all this talk about Charlie M with his unquotable 
 quotes. Ravi, you have finally gotten to the Xenon, you hit some tragic nerve 
 and all Spock-like control has left him, for a few moments.
  

Yes, I was unpleasantly surprised by that expression, too. Sounds so clinical, 
like de-boning a fish or a chicken. Definitely some social integration needed 
for Zee-no. Hope he doesn't meet any babes in the meantime.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs the myth of the invincible, infallible Goddess

[doctordumbass]

A couple of guidelines I developed over the years, to spot, and minimize my 
time around potentially harmful people:

Everyone gets a second chance, but no one gets a third. I use this to spot 
weirdos, and it is amazingly accurate. Aside from something criminal or 
violent, I will tolerate almost anything when I first meet someone. I don't 
wear my opinions on my sleeve, and I just interact, engage, and observe. If 
they have manipulative tendencies, the second time I meet them, they are 
assuming a green light, based on our first interaction, and reveal much more of 
themselves. Easy enough to graciously sidestep at that point.

Tied into the above, the micro is the macro. I developed this one when 
interviewing candidates for teams I was building. I can guarantee that if 
someone demonstrates a hint of something during that initial interview, it will 
manifest more strongly later, once their guard is down. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymae.reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote:

 Just choosing to combat evil this morning, Iranitea.  I always take 
 sociopaths/psychopaths seriously - ever been on the other end of one?  Not 
 something to play with.  
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@ wrote:
 
  Well, Emily, that's nice. If I inspired you to pray, I am actually quite 
  happy about it. Next time, don't take it too serious, okay ;-)
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymae.reyn emilymae.reyn@ 
  wrote:
  
   Iranitea, I feel forced to counter this with:
   
   Our Father who art in heaven,
   hallowed be thy name.
   Thy kingdom come.
   Thy will be done
   on earth as it is in heaven.
   Give us this day our daily bread,
   and forgive us our trespasses,
   as we forgive those who trespass against us,
   and lead us not into temptation,
   but deliver us from evil.
   For thine is the kingdom,
   and the power, and the glory,
   for ever and ever.
   Amen.
   
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@ wrote:
   

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius  wrote:


 'There's nothing wrong with being incompetent... It just means you
don't have to do as much.'

Now that's classic - love it! Is it really by Manson originally?

The Mean Girls Club

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbQMXJwuqeI
   
  
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs the myth of the invincible, infallible Goddess

[obbajeeba]

I think the term shared by Xeno to Ravi, Bone a babe, was giving good elderly 
advice. Xeno, having had many experiences is wondering why a young fit hunk 
like Ravi would be spending his days posting on boards, when in Xeno's mind, 
that is the LAST thing Xeno would be doing if he had his chance to do it over, 
and those three words as blunt as they are, are to the point as in, No time to 
waste cuz life creeps up on you fast, better go use it before you loose it, 
type of wisdom. :)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... no_reply@... wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote:
 
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ 
  wrote:
  
   *sigh*
   
   Yeah you figured out my Grandpa Xeno - in the absence of his Universal,
   abstract constructs he turns into a graceless, tactless douche-bag.
   
   But you know what that creepy, cold, heartless bastard may have never
   fallen in love, may have never sung a song in joy or pain, may never have
   played an instrument, written poetry, loved any children or pets, but he
   certainly loves me !!! Because his Universal, abstract constructs fail 
   once
   I start messing with his big head and so he will be always be redeemed
   because that bitter, sullen old man loves me.
  
  Xeno will forever be remembered in my mind as the man who said bone a 
  babe. I have never quite heard it said like this and coming from him it 
  opened my eyes a little bit. Now all this talk about Charlie M with his 
  unquotable quotes. Ravi, you have finally gotten to the Xenon, you hit some 
  tragic nerve and all Spock-like control has left him, for a few moments.
   
 
 Yes, I was unpleasantly surprised by that expression, too. Sounds so 
 clinical, like de-boning a fish or a chicken. Definitely some social 
 integration needed for Zee-no. Hope he doesn't meet any babes in the 
 meantime.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs the myth of the invincible, infallible Goddess

[emilymae.reyn]

Just lessons learned, Iranitea.  I'm not holding onto anything negative 
associated with my run-ins or experiences.  Have a nice day.  

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@... wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymae.reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote:
 
  Just choosing to combat evil this morning, Iranitea.  I always take 
  sociopaths/psychopaths seriously - ever been on the other end of one?  
 
 No, I was lucky not to have this experience.  Sorry to evoke some bad 
 memories and stuff.
 
  Not something to play with.  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@ wrote:
  
   Well, Emily, that's nice. If I inspired you to pray, I am actually quite 
   happy about it. Next time, don't take it too serious, okay ;-)
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymae.reyn emilymae.reyn@ 
   wrote:
   
Iranitea, I feel forced to counter this with:

Our Father who art in heaven,
hallowed be thy name.
Thy kingdom come.
Thy will be done
on earth as it is in heaven.
Give us this day our daily bread,
and forgive us our trespasses,
as we forgive those who trespass against us,
and lead us not into temptation,
but deliver us from evil.
For thine is the kingdom,
and the power, and the glory,
for ever and ever.
Amen.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@ wrote:

 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius  
 wrote:
 
 
  'There's nothing wrong with being incompetent... It just means you
 don't have to do as much.'
 
 Now that's classic - love it! Is it really by Manson originally?
 
 The Mean Girls Club
 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbQMXJwuqeI

   
  
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs the myth of the invincible, infallible Goddess

[doctordumbass]

I have read a lot about him, and watched his interviews in the past. He is 
simply a con artist. He grew up in the prison system, and I wouldn't believe 
the guy if he told me the sun would rise tomorrow. He is very easy to see 
through - no mystery at all. Scum.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@... wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote:
 
  Xeno, when Manson says about the coyote: He's in a state of total paranoia, 
  and total paranoia is total awareness. That's the big tip off right there 
  IMHO. The guy, and probably the coyote too, are running on reptilian brain. 
  Which of course is preternaturally powerful, ancient, all about survival 
  and unconscious drives. We all got one. Good to acknowledge yet know that's 
  not the whole story.
 
 Any attempt to analyze Manson and what motivates him is not only frivolous 
 but probably dangerous. Reptilian brains aside, a thinking cap might prove 
 useful here.
  
  
  
  
   From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 9:15 PM
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs  the myth of the 
  invincible, infallible Goddess
   
  
  
    
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ 
  wrote:
  
   Hilarious Grandpa, I need some social skills from a cold, heartless 
   zombie like you?
  
  Absolutely not. That you would even think of such a thing in passing shows 
  you are hopelessly deranged. I would suggest another source. I suggest 
  Charles Manson:
  
  'We're all our own prisons, we are each all our own wardens and we do our 
  own time. I can't judge anyone else. What other people do is not really my 
  affair unless they approach me with it. Prison's in your mind. Can't you 
  see I'm free?'
  
  'Will of God.. whatever you wanna call it.. you call it Jesus, call it 
  Mohammed, call it goobybob, call it nuclear mind, call it blow the world 
  up, call it your heart. Whatever you wanna call it, it's still music to me. 
  It's there. It's the will of life.'
  
  'As long as there's hate in your heart, there'll be hate in the world. You 
  can't fight for peace and you cannot capture freedom.'
  
  'Have you ever seen the coyote in the desert? Watching, tuned in, 
  completely aware. Christ on the cross, the coyote in the desert †it's 
  the same thing, man. The coyote is beautiful. He moves through the desert 
  delicately, aware of everything, looking around. He hears every sound, 
  smells every smell, sees everything that moves. He's in a state of total 
  paranoia, and total paranoia is total awareness.'
  
  'There's nothing wrong with being incompetent... It just means you don't 
  have to do as much.'
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs the myth of the invincible, infallible Goddess

[emilymae.reyn]

It's preferable to be in charge of hiring and not afraid to fire - that's what 
I say.  Unfortunately, firing can be a difficult thing.  Smile.  

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... no_reply@... wrote:

 A couple of guidelines I developed over the years, to spot, and minimize my 
 time around potentially harmful people:
 
 Everyone gets a second chance, but no one gets a third. I use this to spot 
 weirdos, and it is amazingly accurate. Aside from something criminal or 
 violent, I will tolerate almost anything when I first meet someone. I don't 
 wear my opinions on my sleeve, and I just interact, engage, and observe. If 
 they have manipulative tendencies, the second time I meet them, they are 
 assuming a green light, based on our first interaction, and reveal much more 
 of themselves. Easy enough to graciously sidestep at that point.
 
 Tied into the above, the micro is the macro. I developed this one when 
 interviewing candidates for teams I was building. I can guarantee that if 
 someone demonstrates a hint of something during that initial interview, it 
 will manifest more strongly later, once their guard is down. 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymae.reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote:
 
  Just choosing to combat evil this morning, Iranitea.  I always take 
  sociopaths/psychopaths seriously - ever been on the other end of one?  Not 
  something to play with.  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@ wrote:
  
   Well, Emily, that's nice. If I inspired you to pray, I am actually quite 
   happy about it. Next time, don't take it too serious, okay ;-)
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymae.reyn emilymae.reyn@ 
   wrote:
   
Iranitea, I feel forced to counter this with:

Our Father who art in heaven,
hallowed be thy name.
Thy kingdom come.
Thy will be done
on earth as it is in heaven.
Give us this day our daily bread,
and forgive us our trespasses,
as we forgive those who trespass against us,
and lead us not into temptation,
but deliver us from evil.
For thine is the kingdom,
and the power, and the glory,
for ever and ever.
Amen.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@ wrote:

 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius  
 wrote:
 
 
  'There's nothing wrong with being incompetent... It just means you
 don't have to do as much.'
 
 Now that's classic - love it! Is it really by Manson originally?
 
 The Mean Girls Club
 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbQMXJwuqeI

   
  
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs the myth of the invincible, infallible Goddess

[card]

Someone who makes that claim doesn't seem to understand
TM at all??

ROFLOL!

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason jedi_spock@... wrote:

 
 Maharishi failed to tell you that if the brain has serious
 hardware problems, TM is practically useless.  Other schools
 have already acknowledged this.
 
 http://www.youramazingbrain.org/brainchanges/braindamage.htm
 http://www.youramazingbrain.org/brainchanges/braindamage.htm
 
 http://newindianexpress.com/magazine/article406720.ece
 http://newindianexpress.com/magazine/article406720.ece
 
 
 ---  Share Long sharelong60@ wrote:
 
  Xeno, when Manson says about the coyote: He's in a state of total
 paranoia, and total paranoia is total awareness. That's the big tip off
 right there IMHO. The guy, and probably the coyote too, are running on
 reptilian brain. Which of course is preternaturally powerful, ancient,
 all about survival and unconscious drives. We all got one. Good to
 acknowledge yet know that's not the whole story.
 
 
 
 
  ---  Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote:
 
   Hilarious Grandpa, I need some social skills from a cold, heartless
 zombie like you?
 
 
   From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@
 
  Absolutely not. That you would even think of such a thing in passing
 shows you are hopelessly deranged. I would suggest another source. I
 suggest Charles Manson:
 
  'We're all our own prisons, we are each all our own wardens and we do
 our own time. I can't judge anyone else. What other people do is not
 really my affair unless they approach me with it. Prison's in your mind.
 Can't you see I'm free?'
 
  'Will of God.. whatever you wanna call it.. you call it Jesus, call it
 Mohammed, call it goobybob, call it nuclear mind, call it blow the world
 up, call it your heart. Whatever you wanna call it, it's still music to
 me. It's there. It's the will of life.'
 
  'As long as there's hate in your heart, there'll be hate in the world.
 You can't fight for peace and you cannot capture freedom.'
 
  'Have you ever seen the coyote in the desert? Watching, tuned in,
 completely aware. Christ on the cross, the coyote in the desert â€
 it's the same thing, man. The coyote is beautiful. He moves through the
 desert delicately, aware of everything, looking around. He hears every
 sound, smells every smell, sees everything that moves. He's in a state
 of total paranoia, and total paranoia is total awareness.'
 
  'There's nothing wrong with being incompetent... It just means you
 don't have to do as much.'
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs the myth of the invincible, infallible Goddess

[doctordumbass]

The most difficult thing about it, is having to track and document the person's 
behavior meticulously. Fortunately I was helped out greatly in one case, when 
the person on a performance plan confided in me that they had found a piece of 
glass in a cookie served during a large meeting, and that it was meant for them 
specifically. Also had someone literally push their laptop onto the floor and 
smash it to avoid a milestone date. Fun times.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymae.reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote:

 It's preferable to be in charge of hiring and not afraid to fire - that's 
 what I say.  Unfortunately, firing can be a difficult thing.  Smile.  
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote:
 
  A couple of guidelines I developed over the years, to spot, and minimize my 
  time around potentially harmful people:
  
  Everyone gets a second chance, but no one gets a third. I use this to spot 
  weirdos, and it is amazingly accurate. Aside from something criminal or 
  violent, I will tolerate almost anything when I first meet someone. I don't 
  wear my opinions on my sleeve, and I just interact, engage, and observe. If 
  they have manipulative tendencies, the second time I meet them, they are 
  assuming a green light, based on our first interaction, and reveal much 
  more of themselves. Easy enough to graciously sidestep at that point.
  
  Tied into the above, the micro is the macro. I developed this one when 
  interviewing candidates for teams I was building. I can guarantee that if 
  someone demonstrates a hint of something during that initial interview, it 
  will manifest more strongly later, once their guard is down. 
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymae.reyn emilymae.reyn@ 
  wrote:
  
   Just choosing to combat evil this morning, Iranitea.  I always take 
   sociopaths/psychopaths seriously - ever been on the other end of one?  
   Not something to play with.  
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@ wrote:
   
Well, Emily, that's nice. If I inspired you to pray, I am actually 
quite happy about it. Next time, don't take it too serious, okay ;-)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymae.reyn emilymae.reyn@ 
wrote:

 Iranitea, I feel forced to counter this with:
 
 Our Father who art in heaven,
 hallowed be thy name.
 Thy kingdom come.
 Thy will be done
 on earth as it is in heaven.
 Give us this day our daily bread,
 and forgive us our trespasses,
 as we forgive those who trespass against us,
 and lead us not into temptation,
 but deliver us from evil.
 For thine is the kingdom,
 and the power, and the glory,
 for ever and ever.
 Amen.
 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@ wrote:
 
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius  
  wrote:
  
  
   'There's nothing wrong with being incompetent... It just means you
  don't have to do as much.'
  
  Now that's classic - love it! Is it really by Manson originally?
  
  The Mean Girls Club
  
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbQMXJwuqeI
 

   
  
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs the myth of the invincible, infallible Goddess

[Share Long]

Doc, of course keep him locked up and probably in solitary confinement too. But 
is that it?! Are you saying that nothing should be done to try to fix his brain?





 From: doctordumb...@rocketmail.com doctordumb...@rocketmail.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 10:03 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs  the myth of the 
invincible, infallible Goddess
 


  
I have read a lot about him, and watched his interviews in the past. He is 
simply a con artist. He grew up in the prison system, and I wouldn't believe 
the guy if he told me the sun would rise tomorrow. He is very easy to see 
through - no mystery at all. Scum.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@... wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote:
 
  Xeno, when Manson says about the coyote: He's in a state of total paranoia, 
  and total paranoia is total awareness. That's the big tip off right there 
  IMHO. The guy, and probably the coyote too, are running on reptilian brain. 
  Which of course is preternaturally powerful, ancient, all about survival 
  and unconscious drives. We all got one. Good to acknowledge yet know that's 
  not the whole story.
 
 Any attempt to analyze Manson and what motivates him is not only frivolous 
 but probably dangerous. Reptilian brains aside, a thinking cap might prove 
 useful here.
  
  
  
  
   From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 9:15 PM
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs  the myth of the 
  invincible, infallible Goddess
  
  
  
    
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ 
  wrote:
  
   Hilarious Grandpa, I need some social skills from a cold, heartless 
   zombie like you?
  
  Absolutely not. That you would even think of such a thing in passing shows 
  you are hopelessly deranged. I would suggest another source. I suggest 
  Charles Manson:
  
  'We're all our own prisons, we are each all our own wardens and we do our 
  own time. I can't judge anyone else. What other people do is not really my 
  affair unless they approach me with it. Prison's in your mind. Can't you 
  see I'm free?'
  
  'Will of God.. whatever you wanna call it.. you call it Jesus, call it 
  Mohammed, call it goobybob, call it nuclear mind, call it blow the world 
  up, call it your heart. Whatever you wanna call it, it's still music to me. 
  It's there. It's the will of life.'
  
  'As long as there's hate in your heart, there'll be hate in the world. You 
  can't fight for peace and you cannot capture freedom.'
  
  'Have you ever seen the coyote in the desert? Watching, tuned in, 
  completely aware. Christ on the cross, the coyote in the desert †it's 
  the same thing, man. The coyote is beautiful. He moves through the desert 
  delicately, aware of everything, looking around. He hears every sound, 
  smells every smell, sees everything that moves. He's in a state of total 
  paranoia, and total paranoia is total awareness.'
  
  'There's nothing wrong with being incompetent... It just means you don't 
  have to do as much.'
 



 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs the myth of the invincible, infallible Goddess

[emilymae.reyn]

Ah yes, fun timesI'll spare you my horror stories as I'm in a good mood 
this morning.  Smile.   

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... no_reply@... wrote:

 The most difficult thing about it, is having to track and document the 
 person's behavior meticulously. Fortunately I was helped out greatly in one 
 case, when the person on a performance plan confided in me that they had 
 found a piece of glass in a cookie served during a large meeting, and that it 
 was meant for them specifically. Also had someone literally push their laptop 
 onto the floor and smash it to avoid a milestone date. Fun times.
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymae.reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote:
 
  It's preferable to be in charge of hiring and not afraid to fire - that's 
  what I say.  Unfortunately, firing can be a difficult thing.  Smile.  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote:
  
   A couple of guidelines I developed over the years, to spot, and minimize 
   my time around potentially harmful people:
   
   Everyone gets a second chance, but no one gets a third. I use this to 
   spot weirdos, and it is amazingly accurate. Aside from something criminal 
   or violent, I will tolerate almost anything when I first meet someone. I 
   don't wear my opinions on my sleeve, and I just interact, engage, and 
   observe. If they have manipulative tendencies, the second time I meet 
   them, they are assuming a green light, based on our first interaction, 
   and reveal much more of themselves. Easy enough to graciously sidestep at 
   that point.
   
   Tied into the above, the micro is the macro. I developed this one when 
   interviewing candidates for teams I was building. I can guarantee that if 
   someone demonstrates a hint of something during that initial interview, 
   it will manifest more strongly later, once their guard is down. 
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymae.reyn emilymae.reyn@ 
   wrote:
   
Just choosing to combat evil this morning, Iranitea.  I always take 
sociopaths/psychopaths seriously - ever been on the other end of one?  
Not something to play with.  

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@ wrote:

 Well, Emily, that's nice. If I inspired you to pray, I am actually 
 quite happy about it. Next time, don't take it too serious, okay ;-)
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymae.reyn 
 emilymae.reyn@ wrote:
 
  Iranitea, I feel forced to counter this with:
  
  Our Father who art in heaven,
  hallowed be thy name.
  Thy kingdom come.
  Thy will be done
  on earth as it is in heaven.
  Give us this day our daily bread,
  and forgive us our trespasses,
  as we forgive those who trespass against us,
  and lead us not into temptation,
  but deliver us from evil.
  For thine is the kingdom,
  and the power, and the glory,
  for ever and ever.
  Amen.
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@ wrote:
  
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius  
   wrote:
   
   
'There's nothing wrong with being incompetent... It just means 
you
   don't have to do as much.'
   
   Now that's classic - love it! Is it really by Manson originally?
   
   The Mean Girls Club
   
   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbQMXJwuqeI
  
 

   
  
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs the myth of the invincible, infallible Goddess

[emilymae.reyn]

What would *you* suggest Share?  Please support your ideas with research on the 
efficacy of whatever you propose.  

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote:

 Doc, of course keep him locked up and probably in solitary confinement too. 
 But is that it?! Are you saying that nothing should be done to try to fix his 
 brain?
 
 
 
 
 
  From: doctordumbass@... doctordumbass@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 10:03 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs  the myth of the 
 invincible, infallible Goddess
  
 
 
   
 I have read a lot about him, and watched his interviews in the past. He is 
 simply a con artist. He grew up in the prison system, and I wouldn't believe 
 the guy if he told me the sun would rise tomorrow. He is very easy to see 
 through - no mystery at all. Scum.
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote:
 
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote:
  
   Xeno, when Manson says about the coyote: He's in a state of total 
   paranoia, and total paranoia is total awareness. That's the big tip off 
   right there IMHO. The guy, and probably the coyote too, are running on 
   reptilian brain. Which of course is preternaturally powerful, ancient, 
   all about survival and unconscious drives. We all got one. Good to 
   acknowledge yet know that's not the whole story.
  
  Any attempt to analyze Manson and what motivates him is not only frivolous 
  but probably dangerous. Reptilian brains aside, a thinking cap might prove 
  useful here.
   
   
   
   
From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@
   To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
   Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 9:15 PM
   Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs  the myth of 
   the invincible, infallible Goddess
   
   
   
     
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ 
   wrote:
   
Hilarious Grandpa, I need some social skills from a cold, heartless 
zombie like you?
   
   Absolutely not. That you would even think of such a thing in passing 
   shows you are hopelessly deranged. I would suggest another source. I 
   suggest Charles Manson:
   
   'We're all our own prisons, we are each all our own wardens and we do our 
   own time. I can't judge anyone else. What other people do is not really 
   my affair unless they approach me with it. Prison's in your mind. Can't 
   you see I'm free?'
   
   'Will of God.. whatever you wanna call it.. you call it Jesus, call it 
   Mohammed, call it goobybob, call it nuclear mind, call it blow the world 
   up, call it your heart. Whatever you wanna call it, it's still music to 
   me. It's there. It's the will of life.'
   
   'As long as there's hate in your heart, there'll be hate in the world. 
   You can't fight for peace and you cannot capture freedom.'
   
   'Have you ever seen the coyote in the desert? Watching, tuned in, 
   completely aware. Christ on the cross, the coyote in the desert †
   it's the same thing, man. The coyote is beautiful. He moves through the 
   desert delicately, aware of everything, looking around. He hears every 
   sound, smells every smell, sees everything that moves. He's in a state of 
   total paranoia, and total paranoia is total awareness.'
   
   'There's nothing wrong with being incompetent... It just means you don't 
   have to do as much.'
  
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs the myth of the invincible, infallible Goddess

[obbajeeba]

Having to deal with a Mutiny on the Bounty, once, and wow, that was not easy 
having to listen to a plan of a stupid man and his real suggestions of aim to a 
team. The man not realizing my position of stand and of authority to the 
particular project, I almost had an ass whooping by an overly macho guy as I 
prepared to kick his ass, the team reserved their stance by standing or sitting 
quietly. We must have looked like we were doing a square dance in the middle of 
the room. I was shaking from the adrenalin rush.
It was almost a scene from Fight Club. It didn't end up that way. I pulled back 
and used his mule meat till the project was over. Sounds like a power trip?  
Not on my end. I was protecting the whole project and the client and succeeded 
until it ended.  The man thought I was enemy to the person who organized the 
event, which was further from the truth. He based his findings on gossip. One 
thing about gossip, it bears no facts. 


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... no_reply@... wrote:

 The most difficult thing about it, is having to track and document the 
 person's behavior meticulously. Fortunately I was helped out greatly in one 
 case, when the person on a performance plan confided in me that they had 
 found a piece of glass in a cookie served during a large meeting, and that it 
 was meant for them specifically. Also had someone literally push their laptop 
 onto the floor and smash it to avoid a milestone date. Fun times.
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymae.reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote:
 
  It's preferable to be in charge of hiring and not afraid to fire - that's 
  what I say.  Unfortunately, firing can be a difficult thing.  Smile.  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote:
  
   A couple of guidelines I developed over the years, to spot, and minimize 
   my time around potentially harmful people:
   
   Everyone gets a second chance, but no one gets a third. I use this to 
   spot weirdos, and it is amazingly accurate. Aside from something criminal 
   or violent, I will tolerate almost anything when I first meet someone. I 
   don't wear my opinions on my sleeve, and I just interact, engage, and 
   observe. If they have manipulative tendencies, the second time I meet 
   them, they are assuming a green light, based on our first interaction, 
   and reveal much more of themselves. Easy enough to graciously sidestep at 
   that point.
   
   Tied into the above, the micro is the macro. I developed this one when 
   interviewing candidates for teams I was building. I can guarantee that if 
   someone demonstrates a hint of something during that initial interview, 
   it will manifest more strongly later, once their guard is down. 
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymae.reyn emilymae.reyn@ 
   wrote:
   
Just choosing to combat evil this morning, Iranitea.  I always take 
sociopaths/psychopaths seriously - ever been on the other end of one?  
Not something to play with.  

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@ wrote:

 Well, Emily, that's nice. If I inspired you to pray, I am actually 
 quite happy about it. Next time, don't take it too serious, okay ;-)
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymae.reyn 
 emilymae.reyn@ wrote:
 
  Iranitea, I feel forced to counter this with:
  
  Our Father who art in heaven,
  hallowed be thy name.
  Thy kingdom come.
  Thy will be done
  on earth as it is in heaven.
  Give us this day our daily bread,
  and forgive us our trespasses,
  as we forgive those who trespass against us,
  and lead us not into temptation,
  but deliver us from evil.
  For thine is the kingdom,
  and the power, and the glory,
  for ever and ever.
  Amen.
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@ wrote:
  
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius  
   wrote:
   
   
'There's nothing wrong with being incompetent... It just means 
you
   don't have to do as much.'
   
   Now that's classic - love it! Is it really by Manson originally?
   
   The Mean Girls Club
   
   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbQMXJwuqeI
  
 

   
  
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs the myth of the invincible, infallible Goddess

[Share Long]

Jason, thanks so much for great article by Dr. Ramachandran, a man who seems to 
be bridging the chasm between the philosophers and the scientists. I find his 
communication style very accessible and in amazon there are reviews that 
indicate this gift carries over into the book. Here's an old TED talk of his:
http://www.ted.com/talks/vilayanur_ramachandran_on_your_mind.html





From: Jason jedi_sp...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 8:04 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs  the myth of the 
invincible, infallible Goddess





Maharishi failed to tell you that if the brain has serious 
hardware problems, TM is practically useless.  Other schools 
have already acknowledged this.

http://www.youramazingbrain.org/brainchanges/braindamage.htm

http://newindianexpress.com/magazine/article406720.ece


---  Share Long sharelong60@... wrote:

 Xeno, when Manson says about the coyote: He's in a state of total paranoia, 
 and total paranoia is total awareness. That's the big tip off right there 
 IMHO. The guy, and probably the coyote too, are running on reptilian brain. 
 Which of course is preternaturally powerful, ancient, all about survival and 
 unconscious
drives. We all got one. Good to acknowledge yet know that's not the whole story.
 
  
 

 ---  Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote:
 
  Hilarious Grandpa, I need some social skills from a cold, heartless zombie 
  like you?
 

  From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... 

 Absolutely not. That you would even think of such a thing in passing shows 
 you are hopelessly deranged. I would suggest another source. I suggest 
 Charles Manson:
 
 'We're all our own prisons, we are each all our own wardens and we do our own 
 time. I can't judge anyone else. What other people do is not really my affair 
 unless they approach me with it. Prison's in your mind. Can't you see I'm 
 free?'
 
 'Will of God.. whatever you wanna call it.. you call it Jesus, call it 
 Mohammed, call it goobybob, call it nuclear mind, call it blow the world
up, call it your heart. Whatever you wanna call it, it's still music to me. 
It's there. It's the will of life.'
 
 'As long as there's hate in your heart, there'll be hate in the world. You 
 can't fight for peace and you cannot capture freedom.'
 
 'Have you ever seen the coyote in the desert? Watching, tuned in, completely 
 aware. Christ on the cross, the coyote in the desert †it's the same thing, 
 man. The coyote is beautiful. He moves through the desert delicately, aware 
 of everything, looking around. He hears every sound, smells every smell, sees 
 everything that moves. He's in a state of total paranoia, and total paranoia 
 is total awareness.'
 
 'There's nothing wrong with being incompetent... It just means you don't have 
 to do as much.'



     

[FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs the myth of the invincible, infallible Goddess

[sparaig]

He doesn't appear to mention TM at all


And why would people be unable to do TM because of face blindness or any of the 
other issues mentioned?

Dementia to the point that they can't remember instructions would prevent 
someone from learning/practicing TM, and no doubt specific brain injuries can 
cause problems that TM teachers don't know how to workaround, but that's 
different than generic brain damage preventing you from learning TM.

L
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason jedi_spock@... wrote:

 
 Maharishi failed to tell you that if the brain has serious
 hardware problems, TM is practically useless.  Other schools
 have already acknowledged this.
 
 http://www.youramazingbrain.org/brainchanges/braindamage.htm
 http://www.youramazingbrain.org/brainchanges/braindamage.htm
 
 http://newindianexpress.com/magazine/article406720.ece
 http://newindianexpress.com/magazine/article406720.ece
 
 
 ---  Share Long sharelong60@ wrote:
 
  Xeno, when Manson says about the coyote: He's in a state of total
 paranoia, and total paranoia is total awareness. That's the big tip off
 right there IMHO. The guy, and probably the coyote too, are running on
 reptilian brain. Which of course is preternaturally powerful, ancient,
 all about survival and unconscious drives. We all got one. Good to
 acknowledge yet know that's not the whole story.
 
 
 
 
  ---  Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote:
 
   Hilarious Grandpa, I need some social skills from a cold, heartless
 zombie like you?
 
 
   From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@
 
  Absolutely not. That you would even think of such a thing in passing
 shows you are hopelessly deranged. I would suggest another source. I
 suggest Charles Manson:
 
  'We're all our own prisons, we are each all our own wardens and we do
 our own time. I can't judge anyone else. What other people do is not
 really my affair unless they approach me with it. Prison's in your mind.
 Can't you see I'm free?'
 
  'Will of God.. whatever you wanna call it.. you call it Jesus, call it
 Mohammed, call it goobybob, call it nuclear mind, call it blow the world
 up, call it your heart. Whatever you wanna call it, it's still music to
 me. It's there. It's the will of life.'
 
  'As long as there's hate in your heart, there'll be hate in the world.
 You can't fight for peace and you cannot capture freedom.'
 
  'Have you ever seen the coyote in the desert? Watching, tuned in,
 completely aware. Christ on the cross, the coyote in the desert ��
 it's the same thing, man. The coyote is beautiful. He moves through the
 desert delicately, aware of everything, looking around. He hears every
 sound, smells every smell, sees everything that moves. He's in a state
 of total paranoia, and total paranoia is total awareness.'
 
  'There's nothing wrong with being incompetent... It just means you
 don't have to do as much.'
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs the myth of the invincible, infallible Goddess

[Share Long]

Ravi, I realize you weren't talking about physical vulnerability. But why not? 
After all, you get quite upset when Xeno gets abstract! Of course, some folks 
also got upset when Xeno got not so abstract. Go figure!





 From: Ravi Chivukula chivukula.r...@gmail.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 4:39 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs  the myth of the 
invincible, infallible Goddess
 


  
Hi dear SHare - as Judy says, it's irrelevant, I was not talking about physical 
vulnerability. Plus you are Saint Share - you are the queen of vulnerability, 
always accountable, responsible to your actions, your emotions - the epitome of 
my dream woman - accountability, responsibility and self-honesty are thy 
attributes.





On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 10:08 AM, authfriend authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:

 
  
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote:


 Ravi, aren't we all forever vulnerable to reality? Right now I'm breathing. 
 Probably because my body is vulnerable to the reality of its need for oxygen 
 in order to function. OTOH, even in the context of needing oxygen, what is 
 THE reality? Some athletes take less breaths in a moment than I do. Some 
 yogis can suspend breathing for a long time. People who have lived for a 
 long time in very high mountains don't need as much oxygen in their air. So, 
 even on this simple, physical level what is THE reality to which it is good 
 to be vulnerable?


Share, that is just so *profound*. I'm sure Ravi will be
grateful to you for pointing this out to him; it's so
very *relevant* to his point.



 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs the myth of the invincible, infallible Goddess

[doctordumbass]

Sure, a forceful injection of the element lead, into his brain, would cure 
him.:-)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote:

 Doc, of course keep him locked up and probably in solitary confinement too. 
 But is that it?! Are you saying that nothing should be done to try to fix his 
 brain?
 
 
 
 
 
  From: doctordumbass@... doctordumbass@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 10:03 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs  the myth of the 
 invincible, infallible Goddess
  
 
 
   
 I have read a lot about him, and watched his interviews in the past. He is 
 simply a con artist. He grew up in the prison system, and I wouldn't believe 
 the guy if he told me the sun would rise tomorrow. He is very easy to see 
 through - no mystery at all. Scum.
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote:
 
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote:
  
   Xeno, when Manson says about the coyote: He's in a state of total 
   paranoia, and total paranoia is total awareness. That's the big tip off 
   right there IMHO. The guy, and probably the coyote too, are running on 
   reptilian brain. Which of course is preternaturally powerful, ancient, 
   all about survival and unconscious drives. We all got one. Good to 
   acknowledge yet know that's not the whole story.
  
  Any attempt to analyze Manson and what motivates him is not only frivolous 
  but probably dangerous. Reptilian brains aside, a thinking cap might prove 
  useful here.
   
   
   
   
From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@
   To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
   Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 9:15 PM
   Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs  the myth of 
   the invincible, infallible Goddess
   
   
   
     
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ 
   wrote:
   
Hilarious Grandpa, I need some social skills from a cold, heartless 
zombie like you?
   
   Absolutely not. That you would even think of such a thing in passing 
   shows you are hopelessly deranged. I would suggest another source. I 
   suggest Charles Manson:
   
   'We're all our own prisons, we are each all our own wardens and we do our 
   own time. I can't judge anyone else. What other people do is not really 
   my affair unless they approach me with it. Prison's in your mind. Can't 
   you see I'm free?'
   
   'Will of God.. whatever you wanna call it.. you call it Jesus, call it 
   Mohammed, call it goobybob, call it nuclear mind, call it blow the world 
   up, call it your heart. Whatever you wanna call it, it's still music to 
   me. It's there. It's the will of life.'
   
   'As long as there's hate in your heart, there'll be hate in the world. 
   You can't fight for peace and you cannot capture freedom.'
   
   'Have you ever seen the coyote in the desert? Watching, tuned in, 
   completely aware. Christ on the cross, the coyote in the desert †
   it's the same thing, man. The coyote is beautiful. He moves through the 
   desert delicately, aware of everything, looking around. He hears every 
   sound, smells every smell, sees everything that moves. He's in a state of 
   total paranoia, and total paranoia is total awareness.'
   
   'There's nothing wrong with being incompetent... It just means you don't 
   have to do as much.'
  
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs the myth of the invincible, infallible Goddess

[doctordumbass]

yep, though I ask myself what else I would have done for work, and can't come 
up with a good answer.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymae.reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote:

 Ah yes, fun timesI'll spare you my horror stories as I'm in a good mood 
 this morning.  Smile.   
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote:
 
  The most difficult thing about it, is having to track and document the 
  person's behavior meticulously. Fortunately I was helped out greatly in one 
  case, when the person on a performance plan confided in me that they had 
  found a piece of glass in a cookie served during a large meeting, and that 
  it was meant for them specifically. Also had someone literally push their 
  laptop onto the floor and smash it to avoid a milestone date. Fun times.
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymae.reyn emilymae.reyn@ 
  wrote:
  
   It's preferable to be in charge of hiring and not afraid to fire - that's 
   what I say.  Unfortunately, firing can be a difficult thing.  Smile.  
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote:
   
A couple of guidelines I developed over the years, to spot, and 
minimize my time around potentially harmful people:

Everyone gets a second chance, but no one gets a third. I use this to 
spot weirdos, and it is amazingly accurate. Aside from something 
criminal or violent, I will tolerate almost anything when I first meet 
someone. I don't wear my opinions on my sleeve, and I just interact, 
engage, and observe. If they have manipulative tendencies, the second 
time I meet them, they are assuming a green light, based on our first 
interaction, and reveal much more of themselves. Easy enough to 
graciously sidestep at that point.

Tied into the above, the micro is the macro. I developed this one when 
interviewing candidates for teams I was building. I can guarantee that 
if someone demonstrates a hint of something during that initial 
interview, it will manifest more strongly later, once their guard is 
down. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymae.reyn emilymae.reyn@ 
wrote:

 Just choosing to combat evil this morning, Iranitea.  I always take 
 sociopaths/psychopaths seriously - ever been on the other end of one? 
  Not something to play with.  
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@ wrote:
 
  Well, Emily, that's nice. If I inspired you to pray, I am actually 
  quite happy about it. Next time, don't take it too serious, okay ;-)
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymae.reyn 
  emilymae.reyn@ wrote:
  
   Iranitea, I feel forced to counter this with:
   
   Our Father who art in heaven,
   hallowed be thy name.
   Thy kingdom come.
   Thy will be done
   on earth as it is in heaven.
   Give us this day our daily bread,
   and forgive us our trespasses,
   as we forgive those who trespass against us,
   and lead us not into temptation,
   but deliver us from evil.
   For thine is the kingdom,
   and the power, and the glory,
   for ever and ever.
   Amen.
   
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@ wrote:
   

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius 
 wrote:


 'There's nothing wrong with being incompetent... It just 
 means you
don't have to do as much.'

Now that's classic - love it! Is it really by Manson originally?

The Mean Girls Club

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbQMXJwuqeI
   
  
 

   
  
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs the myth of the invincible, infallible Goddess

[Ravi Chivukula]

Well first thing Grandpa Xeno needs to understand is I do not approach
matters of heart like him, like some cold, psychopathic, bone-a-babe
clinical experiments. I'm a real sensitive, compassionate, vulnerable
lover. As it is I find it hard to fall in love and I was apparently cursed
and the existence played a cruel, twisted joke by making me fall in love
with a woman who is currently fantasizing on Amma. So yeah you all have to
deal with my sexually frustrated insults in the interim :-)



On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 7:57 AM, obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:

 **


 I think the term shared by Xeno to Ravi, Bone a babe, was giving good
 elderly advice. Xeno, having had many experiences is wondering why a young
 fit hunk like Ravi would be spending his days posting on boards, when in
 Xeno's mind, that is the LAST thing Xeno would be doing if he had his
 chance to do it over, and those three words as blunt as they are, are to
 the point as in, No time to waste cuz life creeps up on you fast, better
 go use it before you loose it, type of wisdom. :)

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... no_reply@...
 wrote:

 
 
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote:
  
  
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@
 wrote:
   
*sigh*
   
Yeah you figured out my Grandpa Xeno - in the absence of his
 Universal,
abstract constructs he turns into a graceless, tactless douche-bag.
   
But you know what that creepy, cold, heartless bastard may have never
fallen in love, may have never sung a song in joy or pain, may never
 have
played an instrument, written poetry, loved any children or pets,
 but he
certainly loves me !!! Because his Universal, abstract constructs
 fail once
I start messing with his big head and so he will be always be
 redeemed
because that bitter, sullen old man loves me.
  
   Xeno will forever be remembered in my mind as the man who said bone a
 babe. I have never quite heard it said like this and coming from him it
 opened my eyes a little bit. Now all this talk about Charlie M with his
 unquotable quotes. Ravi, you have finally gotten to the Xenon, you hit some
 tragic nerve and all Spock-like control has left him, for a few moments.
   
 
  Yes, I was unpleasantly surprised by that expression, too. Sounds so
 clinical, like de-boning a fish or a chicken. Definitely some social
 integration needed for Zee-no. Hope he doesn't meet any babes in the
 meantime.
 

  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs the myth of the invincible, infallible Goddess

[Bob Price]

Share, are you saying when the child said: But he isn't wearing anything at 
all!, he was making a fashion statement? 


I've never noticed Raja Ravi get upset, although he does quite often seem to 
make a meal out of Xeno's vanity.





From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 8:58:46 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs  the myth of the 
invincible, infallible Goddess




Ravi, I realize you weren't talking about physical vulnerability. But why not? 
After all, you get quite upset when Xeno gets abstract! Of course, some folks 
also got upset when Xeno got not so abstract. Go figure!





From: Ravi Chivukula chivukula.r...@gmail.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 4:39 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs  the myth of the 
invincible, infallible Goddess




Hi dear SHare - as Judy says, it's irrelevant, I was not talking about physical 
vulnerability. Plus you are Saint Share - you are the queen of vulnerability, 
always accountable, responsible to your actions, your emotions - the epitome of 
my dream woman - accountability, responsibility and self-honesty are thy 
attributes.





On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 10:08 AM, authfriend authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:


  
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote:


 Ravi, aren't we all forever vulnerable to reality? Right now I'm breathing. 
 Probably because my body is vulnerable to the reality of its need for oxygen 
 in order to function. OTOH, even in the context of needing oxygen, what is 
 THE reality? Some athletes take less breaths in a moment than I do. Some 
 yogis can suspend breathing for a long time. People who have lived for a 
 long time in very high mountains don't need as much oxygen in their air. So, 
 even on this simple, physical level what is THE reality to which it is good 
 to be vulnerable?


Share, that is just so *profound*. I'm sure Ravi will be
grateful to you for pointing this out to him; it's so
very *relevant* to his point.





     

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs the myth of the invincible, infallible Goddess

[Share Long]

Price, I often enjoy when Ravi gets upset. All I'm asking for is a little 
consistency. I realize it's very silly of me. 
PS I think that child was making a deep observation as in: you grown ups are 
cracked!





 From: Bob Price bobpri...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 1:06 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs  the myth of the 
invincible, infallible Goddess
 


  


Share, are you saying when the child said: But he isn't wearing anything at 
all!, he was making a fashion statement? 

I've never noticed Raja Ravi get upset, although he does quite often seem to 
make a meal out of Xeno's vanity.


From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 8:58:46 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs  the myth of the 
invincible, infallible Goddess

Ravi, I realize you weren't talking about physical vulnerability. But why not? 
After all, you get quite upset when Xeno gets abstract! Of course, some folks 
also got upset when Xeno got not so abstract. Go figure!


From: Ravi Chivukula chivukula.r...@gmail.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 4:39 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs  the myth of the 
invincible, infallible Goddess

Hi dear SHare - as Judy says, it's irrelevant, I was not talking about physical 
vulnerability. Plus you are Saint Share - you are the queen of vulnerability, 
always accountable, responsible to your actions, your emotions - the epitome of 
my dream woman - accountability, responsibility and self-honesty are thy 
attributes.

On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 10:08 AM, authfriend authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:

  
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote:


 Ravi, aren't we all forever vulnerable to reality? Right now I'm breathing. 
 Probably because my body is vulnerable to the reality of its need for oxygen 
 in order to function. OTOH, even in the context of needing oxygen, what is 
 THE reality? Some athletes take less breaths in a moment than I do. Some 
 yogis can suspend breathing for a long time. People who have lived for a 
 long time in very high mountains don't need as much oxygen in their air. So, 
 even on this simple, physical level what is THE reality to which it is good 
 to be vulnerable?


Share, that is just so *profound*. I'm sure Ravi will be
grateful to you for pointing this out to him; it's so
very *relevant* to his point.



    

 

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs the myth of the invincible, infallible Goddess

[Rick Archer]

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Ravi Chivukula
Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 4:42 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs  the myth of the 
invincible, infallible Goddess

 

  

Thanks for that clarification Rick. I understand your constraints, if at all I 
was disappointed that my respect for you as someone who enables and supports 
free speech faltered as you handed over the moderator ship to an Amma fanatic. 
Anyway sanity's restored, Jim's back as the onwer/moderator - as usual people 
accuse of me of bullying, verbal abuse, dominating but he is able to see and 
appreciate the larger context of mine - thank god.

 

I didn’t have time to do justice to it. I wasn’t reading the posts and couldn’t 
fairly make the value judgments required.

 

On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 8:49 AM, Rick Archer r...@searchsummit.com 
mailto:r...@searchsummit.com  wrote:

  

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com  
[mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com ] 
On Behalf Of Ravi Chivukula
Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 12:42 AM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs  the myth of the 
invincible, infallible Goddess

 

  

Well dear Rory - this is a post from Ammachi free speech zone Yahoo group - 
Amma's deluded, deceived devotees are keeping me busy for the last week and I'm 
having a lot of fun.

Currently the archives are not public, because it so happened Amma's devotees 
indulged in personal attacks - character attacks, and the owner/moderator Jim 
was absent for that entire duration (last July/Aug to June this year). I was 
also banned after the interim moderator Rick handed over the moderatorship to 
some pro-Amma fanatic (don't ask me why). 

I didn’t want to do it any more.

 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs the myth of the invincible, infallible Goddess

[bobpriced]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote:

 Price, I often enjoy when Ravi gets upset. All I'm asking for is a little 
 consistency. I realize it's very silly of me. 

***I would say Raja Ravi is consistent about encouraging self awareness; I can 
see where that might seem inconsistent, to old embalming fluid salesmen---with 
little or no sense of humour.

 PS I think that child was making a deep observation as in: you grown ups are 
 cracked!

***and here I thought it was about the Emperor's vanity, thanks for the 
clarification; what the hell was Hans Christian Andersen thinking.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YCJt6aTiAc



 
 
 
 
 
  From: Bob Price bobpriced@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 1:06 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs  the myth of 
 the invincible, infallible Goddess
  
 
 
   
 
 
 Share, are you saying when the child said: But he isn't wearing anything at 
 all!, he was making a fashion statement? 
 
 I've never noticed Raja Ravi get upset, although he does quite often seem to 
 make a meal out of Xeno's vanity.
 
 
 From: Share Long sharelong60@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 8:58:46 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs  the myth of 
 the invincible, infallible Goddess
 
 Ravi, I realize you weren't talking about physical vulnerability. But why 
 not? After all, you get quite upset when Xeno gets abstract! Of course, some 
 folks also got upset when Xeno got not so abstract. Go figure!
 
 
 From: Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 4:39 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs  the myth of 
 the invincible, infallible Goddess
 
 Hi dear SHare - as Judy says, it's irrelevant, I was not talking about 
 physical vulnerability. Plus you are Saint Share - you are the queen of 
 vulnerability, always accountable, responsible to your actions, your emotions 
 - the epitome of my dream woman - accountability, responsibility and 
 self-honesty are thy attributes.
 
 On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 10:08 AM, authfriend authfriend@... wrote:
 
   
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote:
 
 
  Ravi, aren't we all forever vulnerable to reality? Right now I'm 
  breathing. Probably because my body is vulnerable to the reality of its 
  need for oxygen in order to function. OTOH, even in the context of needing 
  oxygen, what is THE reality? Some athletes take less breaths in a moment 
  than I do. Some yogis can suspend breathing for a long time. People who 
  have lived for a long time in very high mountains don't need as much 
  oxygen in their air. So, even on this simple, physical level what is THE 
  reality to which it is good to be vulnerable?
 
 
 Share, that is just so *profound*. I'm sure Ravi will be
 grateful to you for pointing this out to him; it's so
 very *relevant* to his point.
 
 
 
    

[FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs the myth of the invincible, infallible Goddess

[sharelong60]

Bob Price D, how you do stumble into brilliance, pointing out one of the most 
fun aspects of studying literature: different interpretations of the same 
piece! You with your vain and deluded king, me with my trembling in their boots 
subjects who consequently are willing to collude with their sovereign in his 
vanity and delusion. Does the child's utterance not sweep all characters up in 
one innocent observation?
PS I promise you on our sacred literary partnership that I have never sold any 
fluids, embalming or otherwise.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bobpriced bobpriced@... wrote:

 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote:
 
  Price, I often enjoy when Ravi gets upset. All I'm asking for is a little 
  consistency. I realize it's very silly of me. 
 
 ***I would say Raja Ravi is consistent about encouraging self awareness; I 
 can see where that might seem inconsistent, to old embalming fluid 
 salesmen---with little or no sense of humour.
 
  PS I think that child was making a deep observation as in: you grown ups 
  are cracked!
 
 ***and here I thought it was about the Emperor's vanity, thanks for the 
 clarification; what the hell was Hans Christian Andersen thinking.
 
 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YCJt6aTiAc
 
 
 
  
  
  
  
  
   From: Bob Price bobpriced@
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 1:06 PM
  Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs  the myth of 
  the invincible, infallible Goddess
   
  
  
    
  
  
  Share, are you saying when the child said: But he isn't wearing anything 
  at all!, he was making a fashion statement? 
  
  I've never noticed Raja Ravi get upset, although he does quite often seem 
  to make a meal out of Xeno's vanity.
  
  
  From: Share Long sharelong60@
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 8:58:46 AM
  Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs  the myth of 
  the invincible, infallible Goddess
  
  Ravi, I realize you weren't talking about physical vulnerability. But why 
  not? After all, you get quite upset when Xeno gets abstract! Of course, 
  some folks also got upset when Xeno got not so abstract. Go figure!
  
  
  From: Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 4:39 PM
  Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs  the myth of 
  the invincible, infallible Goddess
  
  Hi dear SHare - as Judy says, it's irrelevant, I was not talking about 
  physical vulnerability. Plus you are Saint Share - you are the queen of 
  vulnerability, always accountable, responsible to your actions, your 
  emotions - the epitome of my dream woman - accountability, responsibility 
  and self-honesty are thy attributes.
  
  On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 10:08 AM, authfriend authfriend@ wrote:
  
    
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote:
  
  
   Ravi, aren't we all forever vulnerable to reality? Right now I'm 
   breathing. Probably because my body is vulnerable to the reality of its 
   need for oxygen in order to function. OTOH, even in the context of 
   needing oxygen, what is THE reality? Some athletes take less breaths in 
   a moment than I do. Some yogis can suspend breathing for a long time. 
   People who have lived for a long time in very high mountains don't need 
   as much oxygen in their air. So, even on this simple, physical level 
   what is THE reality to which it is good to be vulnerable?
  
  
  Share, that is just so *profound*. I'm sure Ravi will be
  grateful to you for pointing this out to him; it's so
  very *relevant* to his point.
  
  
  
     
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs the myth of the invincible, infallible Goddess

[Ravi Chivukula]

Please ignore Bob dear, clearly Mrs. Price is mad at him and not letting him 
conduct any bone-a-babe clinical experiments and he is expressing his 
frustration.

He will eventually wise up to your and Xeno's awesomeness.


On Aug 21, 2013, at 1:41 PM, sharelong60 sharelon...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Bob Price D, how you do stumble into brilliance, pointing out one of the most 
 fun aspects of studying literature: different interpretations of the same 
 piece! You with your vain and deluded king, me with my trembling in their 
 boots subjects who consequently are willing to collude with their sovereign 
 in his vanity and delusion. Does the child's utterance not sweep all 
 characters up in one innocent observation?
 PS I promise you on our sacred literary partnership that I have never sold 
 any fluids, embalming or otherwise. 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bobpriced bobpriced@... wrote:
 
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote:
  
   Price, I often enjoy when Ravi gets upset. All I'm asking for is a little 
   consistency. I realize it's very silly of me. 
  
  ***I would say Raja Ravi is consistent about encouraging self awareness; I 
  can see where that might seem inconsistent, to old embalming fluid 
  salesmen---with little or no sense of humour.
  
   PS I think that child was making a deep observation as in: you grown ups 
   are cracked!
  
  ***and here I thought it was about the Emperor's vanity, thanks for the 
  clarification; what the hell was Hans Christian Andersen thinking.
  
  
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YCJt6aTiAc
  
  
  
   
   
   
   
   
   From: Bob Price bobpriced@
   To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
   Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 1:06 PM
   Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs  the myth 
   of the invincible, infallible Goddess
   
   
   
 
   
   
   Share, are you saying when the child said: But he isn't wearing anything 
   at all!, he was making a fashion statement? 
   
   I've never noticed Raja Ravi get upset, although he does quite often seem 
   to make a meal out of Xeno's vanity.
   
   
   From: Share Long sharelong60@
   To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
   Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 8:58:46 AM
   Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs  the myth 
   of the invincible, infallible Goddess
   
   Ravi, I realize you weren't talking about physical vulnerability. But why 
   not? After all, you get quite upset when Xeno gets abstract! Of course, 
   some folks also got upset when Xeno got not so abstract. Go figure!
   
   
   From: Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@
   To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
   Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 4:39 PM
   Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs  the myth 
   of the invincible, infallible Goddess
   
   Hi dear SHare - as Judy says, it's irrelevant, I was not talking about 
   physical vulnerability. Plus you are Saint Share - you are the queen of 
   vulnerability, always accountable, responsible to your actions, your 
   emotions - the epitome of my dream woman - accountability, responsibility 
   and self-honesty are thy attributes.
   
   On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 10:08 AM, authfriend authfriend@ wrote:
   
 
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote:
   
   
Ravi, aren't we all forever vulnerable to reality? Right now I'm 
breathing. Probably because my body is vulnerable to the reality of 
its need for oxygen in order to function. OTOH, even in the context of 
needing oxygen, what is THE reality? Some athletes take less breaths 
in a moment than I do. Some yogis can suspend breathing for a long 
time. People who have lived for a long time in very high mountains 
don't need as much oxygen in their air. So, even on this simple, 
physical level what is THE reality to which it is good to be 
vulnerable?
   
   
   Share, that is just so *profound*. I'm sure Ravi will be
   grateful to you for pointing this out to him; it's so
   very *relevant* to his point.
   
   
   
  
  
 
 
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs the myth of the invincible, infallible Goddess

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60 sharelong60@... wrote:

 Bob Price D, how you do stumble into brilliance

Yep, Stumblin' Bob, we call him.

(BTW, I think by old embalming fluid salesmen, he was
referring to Xeno.)

, pointing out one of the most fun aspects of studying literature: different 
interpretations of the same piece! You with your vain and deluded king, me with 
my trembling in their boots subjects who consequently are willing to collude 
with their sovereign in his vanity and delusion. Does the child's utterance not 
sweep all characters up in one innocent observation?
 PS I promise you on our sacred literary partnership that I have never sold 
 any fluids, embalming or otherwise.
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bobpriced bobpriced@ wrote:
 
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote:
  
   Price, I often enjoy when Ravi gets upset. All I'm asking for is a little 
   consistency. I realize it's very silly of me. 
  
  ***I would say Raja Ravi is consistent about encouraging self awareness; I 
  can see where that might seem inconsistent, to old embalming fluid 
  salesmen---with little or no sense of humour.
  
   PS I think that child was making a deep observation as in: you grown ups 
   are cracked!
  
  ***and here I thought it was about the Emperor's vanity, thanks for the 
  clarification; what the hell was Hans Christian Andersen thinking.
  
  
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YCJt6aTiAc
  
  
  
   
   
   
   
   
From: Bob Price bobpriced@
   To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
   Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 1:06 PM
   Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs  the myth 
   of the invincible, infallible Goddess

   
   
     
   
   
   Share, are you saying when the child said: But he isn't wearing anything 
   at all!, he was making a fashion statement? 
   
   I've never noticed Raja Ravi get upset, although he does quite often seem 
   to make a meal out of Xeno's vanity.
   
   
   From: Share Long sharelong60@
   To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
   Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 8:58:46 AM
   Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs  the myth 
   of the invincible, infallible Goddess
   
   Ravi, I realize you weren't talking about physical vulnerability. But why 
   not? After all, you get quite upset when Xeno gets abstract! Of course, 
   some folks also got upset when Xeno got not so abstract. Go figure!
   
   
   From: Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@
   To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
   Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 4:39 PM
   Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs  the myth 
   of the invincible, infallible Goddess
   
   Hi dear SHare - as Judy says, it's irrelevant, I was not talking about 
   physical vulnerability. Plus you are Saint Share - you are the queen of 
   vulnerability, always accountable, responsible to your actions, your 
   emotions - the epitome of my dream woman - accountability, responsibility 
   and self-honesty are thy attributes.
   
   On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 10:08 AM, authfriend authfriend@ wrote:
   
     
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote:
   
   
Ravi, aren't we all forever vulnerable to reality? Right now I'm 
breathing. Probably because my body is vulnerable to the reality of 
its need for oxygen in order to function. OTOH, even in the context of 
needing oxygen, what is THE reality? Some athletes take less breaths 
in a moment than I do. Some yogis can suspend breathing for a long 
time. People who have lived for a long time in very high mountains 
don't need as much oxygen in their air. So, even on this simple, 
physical level what is THE reality to which it is good to be 
vulnerable?
   
   
   Share, that is just so *profound*. I'm sure Ravi will be
   grateful to you for pointing this out to him; it's so
   very *relevant* to his point.
   
   
   
      
  
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs the myth of the invincible, infallible Goddess

[sharelong60]

Yes, I was practicing up on my irony.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60 sharelong60@ wrote:
 
  Bob Price D, how you do stumble into brilliance
 
 Yep, Stumblin' Bob, we call him.
 
 (BTW, I think by old embalming fluid salesmen, he was
 referring to Xeno.)
 
 , pointing out one of the most fun aspects of studying literature: different 
 interpretations of the same piece! You with your vain and deluded king, me 
 with my trembling in their boots subjects who consequently are willing to 
 collude with their sovereign in his vanity and delusion. Does the child's 
 utterance not sweep all characters up in one innocent observation?
  PS I promise you on our sacred literary partnership that I have never sold 
  any fluids, embalming or otherwise.
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bobpriced bobpriced@ wrote:
  
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote:
   
Price, I often enjoy when Ravi gets upset. All I'm asking for is a 
little consistency. I realize it's very silly of me. 
   
   ***I would say Raja Ravi is consistent about encouraging self awareness; 
   I can see where that might seem inconsistent, to old embalming fluid 
   salesmen---with little or no sense of humour.
   
PS I think that child was making a deep observation as in: you grown 
ups are cracked!
   
   ***and here I thought it was about the Emperor's vanity, thanks for the 
   clarification; what the hell was Hans Christian Andersen thinking.
   
   
   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YCJt6aTiAc
   
   
   





 From: Bob Price bobpriced@
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 1:06 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs  the 
myth of the invincible, infallible Goddess
 


  


Share, are you saying when the child said: But he isn't wearing 
anything at all!, he was making a fashion statement? 

I've never noticed Raja Ravi get upset, although he does quite often 
seem to make a meal out of Xeno's vanity.


From: Share Long sharelong60@
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 8:58:46 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs  the 
myth of the invincible, infallible Goddess

Ravi, I realize you weren't talking about physical vulnerability. But 
why not? After all, you get quite upset when Xeno gets abstract! Of 
course, some folks also got upset when Xeno got not so abstract. Go 
figure!


From: Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 4:39 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs  the 
myth of the invincible, infallible Goddess

Hi dear SHare - as Judy says, it's irrelevant, I was not talking about 
physical vulnerability. Plus you are Saint Share - you are the queen of 
vulnerability, always accountable, responsible to your actions, your 
emotions - the epitome of my dream woman - accountability, 
responsibility and self-honesty are thy attributes.

On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 10:08 AM, authfriend authfriend@ wrote:

  
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote:


 Ravi, aren't we all forever vulnerable to reality? Right now I'm 
 breathing. Probably because my body is vulnerable to the reality of 
 its need for oxygen in order to function. OTOH, even in the context 
 of needing oxygen, what is THE reality? Some athletes take less 
 breaths in a moment than I do. Some yogis can suspend breathing for 
 a long time. People who have lived for a long time in very high 
 mountains don't need as much oxygen in their air. So, even on this 
 simple, physical level what is THE reality to which it is good to be 
 vulnerable?


Share, that is just so *profound*. I'm sure Ravi will be
grateful to you for pointing this out to him; it's so
very *relevant* to his point.



   
   
  
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs the myth of the invincible, infallible Goddess

[Ann]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60 sharelong60@... wrote:

 Yes, I was practicing up on my irony.

Your ironing you say?
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60 sharelong60@ wrote:
  
   Bob Price D, how you do stumble into brilliance
  
  Yep, Stumblin' Bob, we call him.
  
  (BTW, I think by old embalming fluid salesmen, he was
  referring to Xeno.)
  
  , pointing out one of the most fun aspects of studying literature: 
  different interpretations of the same piece! You with your vain and deluded 
  king, me with my trembling in their boots subjects who consequently are 
  willing to collude with their sovereign in his vanity and delusion. Does 
  the child's utterance not sweep all characters up in one innocent 
  observation?
   PS I promise you on our sacred literary partnership that I have never 
   sold any fluids, embalming or otherwise.
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bobpriced bobpriced@ wrote:
   

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote:

 Price, I often enjoy when Ravi gets upset. All I'm asking for is a 
 little consistency. I realize it's very silly of me. 

***I would say Raja Ravi is consistent about encouraging self 
awareness; I can see where that might seem inconsistent, to old 
embalming fluid salesmen---with little or no sense of humour.

 PS I think that child was making a deep observation as in: you grown 
 ups are cracked!

***and here I thought it was about the Emperor's vanity, thanks for the 
clarification; what the hell was Hans Christian Andersen thinking.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YCJt6aTiAc



 
 
 
 
 
  From: Bob Price bobpriced@
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 1:06 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs  the 
 myth of the invincible, infallible Goddess
  
 
 
   
 
 
 Share, are you saying when the child said: But he isn't wearing 
 anything at all!, he was making a fashion statement? 
 
 I've never noticed Raja Ravi get upset, although he does quite often 
 seem to make a meal out of Xeno's vanity.
 
 
 From: Share Long sharelong60@
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 8:58:46 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs  the 
 myth of the invincible, infallible Goddess
 
 Ravi, I realize you weren't talking about physical vulnerability. But 
 why not? After all, you get quite upset when Xeno gets abstract! Of 
 course, some folks also got upset when Xeno got not so abstract. Go 
 figure!
 
 
 From: Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 4:39 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs  the 
 myth of the invincible, infallible Goddess
 
 Hi dear SHare - as Judy says, it's irrelevant, I was not talking 
 about physical vulnerability. Plus you are Saint Share - you are the 
 queen of vulnerability, always accountable, responsible to your 
 actions, your emotions - the epitome of my dream woman - 
 accountability, responsibility and self-honesty are thy attributes.
 
 On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 10:08 AM, authfriend authfriend@ wrote:
 
   
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ 
 wrote:
 
 
  Ravi, aren't we all forever vulnerable to reality? Right now I'm 
  breathing. Probably because my body is vulnerable to the reality 
  of its need for oxygen in order to function. OTOH, even in the 
  context of needing oxygen, what is THE reality? Some athletes take 
  less breaths in a moment than I do. Some yogis can suspend 
  breathing for a long time. People who have lived for a long time 
  in very high mountains don't need as much oxygen in their air. So, 
  even on this simple, physical level what is THE reality to which 
  it is good to be vulnerable?
 
 
 Share, that is just so *profound*. I'm sure Ravi will be
 grateful to you for pointing this out to him; it's so
 very *relevant* to his point.
 
 
 
    

   
  
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs the myth of the invincible, infallible Goddess

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@... wrote:
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60 sharelong60@ wrote:
 
  Yes, I was practicing up on my irony.
 
 Your ironing you say?

We need to get a ruling from the Ironing Board.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs the myth of the invincible, infallible Goddess

[obbajeeba]

I found a copy of the ruling   
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8EKndHBy7U
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8EKndHBy7U





--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend  wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60  wrote:
  
   Yes, I was practicing up on my irony.
 
  Your ironing you say?

 We need to get a ruling from the Ironing Board.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs the myth of the invincible, infallible Goddess

[Ravi Chivukula]

Can someone please help my aunt understand the difference between stupidity and 
irony? Emily? Am I asking too much?


On Aug 21, 2013, at 2:32 PM, sharelong60 sharelon...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Yes, I was practicing up on my irony.
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60 sharelong60@ wrote:
  
   Bob Price D, how you do stumble into brilliance
  
  Yep, Stumblin' Bob, we call him.
  
  (BTW, I think by old embalming fluid salesmen, he was
  referring to Xeno.)
  
  , pointing out one of the most fun aspects of studying literature: 
  different interpretations of the same piece! You with your vain and deluded 
  king, me with my trembling in their boots subjects who consequently are 
  willing to collude with their sovereign in his vanity and delusion. Does 
  the child's utterance not sweep all characters up in one innocent 
  observation?
   PS I promise you on our sacred literary partnership that I have never 
   sold any fluids, embalming or otherwise. 
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bobpriced bobpriced@ wrote:
   

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote:

 Price, I often enjoy when Ravi gets upset. All I'm asking for is a 
 little consistency. I realize it's very silly of me. 

***I would say Raja Ravi is consistent about encouraging self 
awareness; I can see where that might seem inconsistent, to old 
embalming fluid salesmen---with little or no sense of humour.

 PS I think that child was making a deep observation as in: you grown 
 ups are cracked!

***and here I thought it was about the Emperor's vanity, thanks for the 
clarification; what the hell was Hans Christian Andersen thinking.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YCJt6aTiAc



 
 
 
 
 
 From: Bob Price bobpriced@
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 1:06 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs  the 
 myth of the invincible, infallible Goddess
 
 
 
   
 
 
 Share, are you saying when the child said: But he isn't wearing 
 anything at all!, he was making a fashion statement? 
 
 I've never noticed Raja Ravi get upset, although he does quite often 
 seem to make a meal out of Xeno's vanity.
 
 
 From: Share Long sharelong60@
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 8:58:46 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs  the 
 myth of the invincible, infallible Goddess
 
 Ravi, I realize you weren't talking about physical vulnerability. But 
 why not? After all, you get quite upset when Xeno gets abstract! Of 
 course, some folks also got upset when Xeno got not so abstract. Go 
 figure!
 
 
 From: Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 4:39 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs  the 
 myth of the invincible, infallible Goddess
 
 Hi dear SHare - as Judy says, it's irrelevant, I was not talking 
 about physical vulnerability. Plus you are Saint Share - you are the 
 queen of vulnerability, always accountable, responsible to your 
 actions, your emotions - the epitome of my dream woman - 
 accountability, responsibility and self-honesty are thy attributes.
 
 On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 10:08 AM, authfriend authfriend@ wrote:
 
   
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ 
 wrote:
 
 
  Ravi, aren't we all forever vulnerable to reality? Right now I'm 
  breathing. Probably because my body is vulnerable to the reality 
  of its need for oxygen in order to function. OTOH, even in the 
  context of needing oxygen, what is THE reality? Some athletes take 
  less breaths in a moment than I do. Some yogis can suspend 
  breathing for a long time. People who have lived for a long time 
  in very high mountains don't need as much oxygen in their air. So, 
  even on this simple, physical level what is THE reality to which 
  it is good to be vulnerable?
 
 
 Share, that is just so *profound*. I'm sure Ravi will be
 grateful to you for pointing this out to him; it's so
 very *relevant* to his point.
 
 
 


   
  
 
 
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs the myth of the invincible, infallible Goddess

[Bob Price]

  

So it's all about collusion (smile). Sorry about the embalming crack, I thought 
everyone knew which FFL contributor employs the on-line voice of an undertaker; 
don’t get me wrong, I like some of Xeno's contributions; for example, I wish he 
had contributed more about engrams; but he easily slides
into pomposity, at which point Ravi enjoys making him look like the 
energizerbunny after he just got hit by lightening.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4FEn-ZKdDg




From: sharelong60 sharelon...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 1:41:15 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs  the myth of the 
invincible, infallible Goddess




Bob Price D, how you do stumble into brilliance, pointing out one of the most 
fun aspects of studying literature: different interpretations of the same 
piece! You with your vain and deluded king, me with my trembling in their boots 
subjects who consequently are willing to collude with their sovereign in his 
vanity and delusion. Does the child's utterance not sweep all characters up in 
one innocent observation?
PS I promise you on our sacred literary partnership that I have never sold any 
fluids, embalming or otherwise. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bobpriced bobpriced@... wrote:

 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote:
 
  Price, I often enjoy when Ravi gets upset. All I'm asking for is a little 
  consistency. I realize it's very silly of me. 
 
 ***I would say Raja Ravi is consistent about encouraging self awareness; I 
 can see where that might seem inconsistent, to old embalming fluid 
 salesmen---with little or no sense of humour.
 
  PS I think that child was making a deep observation as in: you grown ups 
  are cracked!
 
 ***and here I thought it was about the Emperor's vanity, thanks for the 
 clarification; what the hell was Hans Christian Andersen thinking.
 
 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YCJt6aTiAc
 
 
 
  
  
  
  
  
   From: Bob Price bobpriced@
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 1:06 PM
  Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs  the myth of 
  the invincible, infallible Goddess
  
  
  
    
  
  
  Share, are you saying when the child said: But he isn't wearing anything 
  at all!, he was making a fashion statement? 
  
  I've never noticed Raja Ravi get upset, although he does quite often seem 
  to make a meal out of Xeno's vanity.
  
  
  From: Share Long sharelong60@
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 8:58:46 AM
  Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs  the myth of 
  the invincible, infallible Goddess
  
  Ravi, I realize you weren't talking about physical vulnerability. But why 
  not? After all, you get quite upset when Xeno gets abstract! Of course, 
  some folks also got upset when Xeno got not so abstract. Go figure!
  
  
  From: Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 4:39 PM
  Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs  the myth of 
  the invincible, infallible Goddess
  
  Hi dear SHare - as Judy says, it's irrelevant, I was not talking about 
  physical vulnerability. Plus you are Saint Share - you are the queen of 
  vulnerability, always accountable, responsible to your actions, your 
  emotions - the epitome of my dream woman - accountability, responsibility 
  and self-honesty are thy attributes.
  
  On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 10:08 AM, authfriend authfriend@ wrote:
  
    
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote:
  
  
   Ravi, aren't we all forever vulnerable to reality? Right now I'm 
   breathing. Probably because my body is vulnerable to the reality of its 
   need for oxygen in order to function. OTOH, even in the context of 
   needing oxygen, what is THE reality? Some athletes take less breaths in 
   a moment than I do. Some yogis can suspend breathing for a long time. 
   People who have lived for a long time in very high mountains don't need 
   as much oxygen in their air. So, even on this simple, physical level 
   what is THE reality to which it is good to be vulnerable?
  
  
  Share, that is just so *profound*. I'm sure Ravi will be
  grateful to you for pointing this out to him; it's so
  very *relevant* to his point.
  
  
  
     
 



   

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs the myth of the invincible, infallible Goddess

[Ravi Chivukula]

OMG - can you please stop ganging up on my poor old aunt. Can't you see how 
gentle I am with her?


On Aug 21, 2013, at 3:02 PM, obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:

 I found a copy of the rulinghttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8EKndHBy7U 
 
 
 
 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote:
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60 wrote:
   
Yes, I was practicing up on my irony.
   
   Your ironing you say?
  
  We need to get a ruling from the Ironing Board.
 
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs the myth of the invincible, infallible Goddess

[Ann]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote:
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60 sharelong60@ wrote:
  
   Yes, I was practicing up on my irony.
  
  Your ironing you say?
 
 We need to get a ruling from the Ironing Board.

Yes, although I hear there might be a wrinkle or two in getting a decision. The 
board is known to consist of starched shirt types who can really build up a 
head of steam when pressed for this type of unanimous ruling.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs the myth of the invincible, infallible Goddess

[Bob Price]

The Chairman of the board, and Ravi---before there was a Ravi.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5_V9RT8aR8





From: authfriend authfri...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 2:45:28 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs  the myth of the 
invincible, infallible Goddess




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@... wrote:
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60 sharelong60@ wrote:
 
  Yes, I was practicing up on my irony.
 
 Your ironing you say?

We need to get a ruling from the Ironing Board.


   

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs the myth of the invincible, infallible Goddess

[Ravi Chivukula]

On Aug 21, 2013, at 3:31 PM, Ann awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote:
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60 sharelong60@ wrote:
   
Yes, I was practicing up on my irony.
   
   Your ironing you say?
  
  We need to get a ruling from the Ironing Board.
 
 Yes, although I hear there might be a wrinkle or two in getting a decision. 
 The board is known to consist of starched shirt types who can really build up 
 a head of steam when pressed for this type of unanimous ruling.
 

LOL..that really cracked me up.

 
 
 
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs the myth of the invincible, infallible Goddess

[obbajeeba]

I meant it as a joke, Ravi. Share can iron as well as Edith. :)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote:

 OMG - can you please stop ganging up on my poor old aunt. Can't you see how 
 gentle I am with her?
 
 
 On Aug 21, 2013, at 3:02 PM, obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:
 
  I found a copy of the rulinghttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8EKndHBy7U 
  
  
  
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote:

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60 wrote:

 Yes, I was practicing up on my irony.

Your ironing you say?
   
   We need to get a ruling from the Ironing Board.
  
 

[FairfieldLife] [FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs the myth of the invincible, infallible Goddess

[Bob Price]

  

So it's all about collusion (smile). Sorry about the embalming crack, I thought 
everyone knew which FFL contributor employs the on-line voice of an undertaker; 
don’t get me wrong, I like some of Xeno's contributions; for example, I wish he 
had contributed more about engrams; but he easily slides
into pomposity, at which point Ravi enjoys making him look like the energizer 
bunny after he just got hit by lightening.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4FEn-ZKdDg




From: sharelong60 sharelon...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 1:41:15 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs  the myth of the 
invincible, infallible Goddess




Bob Price D, how you do stumble into brilliance, pointing out one of the most 
fun aspects of studying literature: different interpretations of the same 
piece! You with your vain and deluded king, me with my trembling in their boots 
subjects who consequently are willing to collude with their sovereign in his 
vanity and delusion. Does the child's utterance not sweep all characters up in 
one innocent observation?
PS I promise you on our sacred literary partnership that I have never sold any 
fluids, embalming or otherwise. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bobpriced bobpriced@... wrote:

 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote:
 
  Price, I often enjoy when Ravi gets upset. All I'm asking for is a little 
  consistency. I realize it's very silly of me. 
 
 ***I would say Raja Ravi is consistent about encouraging self awareness; I 
 can see where that might seem inconsistent, to old embalming fluid 
 salesmen---with little or no sense of humour.
 
  PS I think that child was making a deep observation as in: you grown ups 
  are cracked!
 
 ***and here I thought it was about the Emperor's vanity, thanks for the 
 clarification; what the hell was Hans Christian Andersen thinking.
 
 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YCJt6aTiAc
 
 
 
  
  
  
  
  
   From: Bob Price bobpriced@
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 1:06 PM
  Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs  the myth of 
  the invincible, infallible Goddess
  
  
  
    
  
  
  Share, are you saying when the child said: But he isn't wearing anything 
  at all!, he was making a fashion statement? 
  
  I've never noticed Raja Ravi get upset, although he does quite often seem 
  to make a meal out of Xeno's vanity.
  
  
  From: Share Long sharelong60@
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 8:58:46 AM
  Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs  the myth of 
  the invincible, infallible Goddess
  
  Ravi, I realize you weren't talking about physical vulnerability. But why 
  not? After all, you get quite upset when Xeno gets abstract! Of course, 
  some folks also got upset when Xeno got not so abstract. Go figure!
  
  
  From: Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 4:39 PM
  Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs  the myth of 
  the invincible, infallible Goddess
  
  Hi dear SHare - as Judy says, it's irrelevant, I was not talking about 
  physical vulnerability. Plus you are Saint Share - you are the queen of 
  vulnerability, always accountable, responsible to your actions, your 
  emotions - the epitome of my dream woman - accountability, responsibility 
  and self-honesty are thy attributes.
  
  On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 10:08 AM, authfriend authfriend@ wrote:
  
    
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote:
  
  
   Ravi, aren't we all forever vulnerable to reality? Right now I'm 
   breathing. Probably because my body is vulnerable to the reality of its 
   need for oxygen in order to function. OTOH, even in the context of 
   needing oxygen, what is THE reality? Some athletes take less breaths in 
   a moment than I do. Some yogis can suspend breathing for a long time. 
   People who have lived for a long time in very high mountains don't need 
   as much oxygen in their air. So, even on this simple, physical level 
   what is THE reality to which it is good to be vulnerable?
  
  
  Share, that is just so *profound*. I'm sure Ravi will be
  grateful to you for pointing this out to him; it's so
  very *relevant* to his point.
  
  
  
     
 



   

[FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs the myth of the invincible, infallible Goddess

[obbajeeba]

Pardon the interruption to these lovely posts to ask a technical
question directed to anyone reading:
I am noticing posts being posted more than once on the FFL Message Board
(signed in and out) and in my email box too, messages are being sent
more than once. I do believe there is a glitch somewhere,  at first I
thought Mr. Price was
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=ass-call
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=ass-call  giving us a
little,  as he was giving  Mrs. Price a little, but (butt, ass-call,
heh) I think some of you more tech savvy geeks may know what is
happening as to why these posts are cloning?
Anyone have an answer or if  is it yahoo jerking off again?






--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price  wrote:






 Â

 So it's all about collusion (smile). Sorry about the embalming crack,
I thought everyone knew which FFL contributor employs the on-line voice
of an undertaker; don’t get me wrong, I like some of Xeno's
contributions; for example, I wish he had contributed more about
engrams; but he easily slides
 into pomposity, at which point Ravi enjoys making him look like the
energizer bunny after he just got hit by lightening.



 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4FEn-ZKdDg



 
 From: sharelong60 sharelong60@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 1:41:15 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs  the myth
of the invincible, infallible Goddess




 Bob Price D, how you do stumble into brilliance, pointing out one of
the most fun aspects of studying literature: different interpretations
of the same piece! You with your vain and deluded king, me with my
trembling in their boots subjects who consequently are willing to
collude with their sovereign in his vanity and delusion. Does the
child's utterance not sweep all characters up in one innocent
observation?
 PS I promise you on our sacred literary partnership that I have never
sold any fluids, embalming or otherwise.

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bobpriced bobpriced@ wrote:
 
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
  
   Price, I often enjoy when Ravi gets upset. All I'm asking for is a
little consistency. I realize it's very silly of me.
 
  ***I would say Raja Ravi is consistent about encouraging self
awareness; I can see where that might seem inconsistent, to old
embalming fluid salesmen---with little or no sense of humour.
 
   PS I think that child was making a deep observation as in: you
grown ups are cracked!
 
  ***and here I thought it was about the Emperor's vanity, thanks for
the clarification; what the hell was Hans Christian Andersen thinking.
 
 
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YCJt6aTiAc
 
 
 
  
  
  
  
   
  Â Â From: Bob Price
   To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 1:06 PM
   Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs 
the myth of the invincible, infallible Goddess
  
  
  
   ÂÂ
  
  
   Share, are you saying when the child said: But he isn't wearing
anything at all!, he was making a fashion statement?
  
   I've never noticed Raja Ravi get upset, although he does quite
often seem to make a meal out of Xeno's vanity.
  
   
   From: Share Long
   To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 8:58:46 AM
   Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs 
the myth of the invincible, infallible Goddess
  
   Ravi, I realize you weren't talking about physical vulnerability.
But why not? After all, you get quite upset when Xeno gets abstract! Of
course, some folks also got upset when Xeno got not so abstract. Go
figure!
  
   
   From: Ravi Chivukula
   To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 4:39 PM
   Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs 
the myth of the invincible, infallible Goddess
  
   Hi dear SHare - as Judy says, it's irrelevant, I was not talking
about physical vulnerability. Plus you are Saint Share - you are the
queen of vulnerability, always accountable, responsible to your actions,
your emotions - the epitome of my dream woman - accountability,
responsibility and self-honesty are thy attributes.
  
   On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 10:08 AM, authfriend  wrote:
  
   ÂÂ
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
   
   
Ravi, aren't we all forever vulnerable to reality? Right now
I'm breathing. Probably because my body is vulnerable to the reality of
its need for oxygen in order to function. OTOH, even in the context of
needing oxygen, what is THE reality? Some athletes take less breaths in
a moment than I do. Some yogis can suspend breathing for a long time.
People who have lived for a long time in very high mountains don't

Re: [FairfieldLife] [FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs the myth of the invincible, infallible Goddess

[Share Long]

bobcat priced, well I enjoy the online voices of both Ravi and Xeno. Go figure!





 From: Bob Price bobpri...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 7:29 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] [FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs  the 
myth of the invincible, infallible Goddess
 


  


  

So it's all about collusion (smile). Sorry about the embalming crack, I thought 
everyone knew which FFL contributor employs the on-line voice of an undertaker; 
don’t get me wrong, I like some of Xeno's contributions; for example, I wish he 
had contributed more about engrams; but he easily slides
into pomposity, at which point Ravi enjoys making him look like the energizer 
bunny after he just got hit by lightening.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4FEn-ZKdDg


From: sharelong60 sharelon...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 1:41:15 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs  the myth of the 
invincible, infallible Goddess

Bob Price D, how you do stumble into brilliance, pointing out one of the most 
fun aspects of studying literature: different interpretations of the same 
piece! You with your vain and deluded king, me with my trembling in their boots 
subjects who consequently are willing to collude with their sovereign in his 
vanity and delusion. Does the child's utterance not sweep all characters up in 
one innocent observation?
PS I promise you on our sacred literary partnership that I have never sold any 
fluids, embalming or otherwise. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bobpriced bobpriced@... wrote:

 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote:
 
  Price, I often enjoy when Ravi gets upset. All I'm asking for is a little 
  consistency. I realize it's very silly of me. 
 
 ***I would say Raja Ravi is consistent about encouraging self awareness; I 
 can see where that might seem inconsistent, to old embalming fluid 
 salesmen---with little or no sense of humour.
 
  PS I think that child was making a deep observation as in: you grown ups 
  are cracked!
 
 ***and here I thought it was about the Emperor's vanity, thanks for the 
 clarification; what the hell was Hans Christian Andersen thinking.
 
 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YCJt6aTiAc
 
 
 
  
  
  
  
  
   From: Bob Price bobpriced@
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 1:06 PM
  Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs  the myth of 
  the invincible, infallible Goddess
  
  
  
    
  
  
  Share, are you saying when the child said: But he isn't wearing anything 
  at all!, he was making a fashion statement? 
  
  I've never noticed Raja Ravi get upset, although he does quite often seem 
  to make a meal out of Xeno's vanity.
  
  
  From: Share Long sharelong60@
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 8:58:46 AM
  Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs  the myth of 
  the invincible, infallible Goddess
  
  Ravi, I realize you weren't talking about physical vulnerability. But why 
  not? After all, you get quite upset when Xeno gets abstract! Of course, 
  some folks also got upset when Xeno got not so abstract. Go figure!
  
  
  From: Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 4:39 PM
  Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs  the myth of 
  the invincible, infallible Goddess
  
  Hi dear SHare - as Judy says, it's irrelevant, I was not talking about 
  physical vulnerability. Plus you are Saint Share - you are the queen of 
  vulnerability, always accountable, responsible to your actions, your 
  emotions - the epitome of my dream woman - accountability, responsibility 
  and self-honesty are thy attributes.
  
  On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 10:08 AM, authfriend authfriend@ wrote:
  
    
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote:
  
  
   Ravi, aren't we all forever vulnerable to reality? Right now I'm 
   breathing. Probably because my body is vulnerable to the reality of its 
   need for oxygen in order to function. OTOH, even in the context of 
   needing oxygen, what is THE reality? Some athletes take less breaths in 
   a moment than I do. Some yogis can suspend breathing for a long time. 
   People who have lived for a long time in very high mountains don't need 
   as much oxygen in their air. So, even on this simple, physical level 
   what is THE reality to which it is good to be vulnerable?
  
  
  Share, that is just so *profound*. I'm sure Ravi will be
  grateful to you for pointing this out to him; it's so
  very

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs the myth of the invincible, infallible Goddess

[Share Long]

How about: you all are having an Irony Man Decathalon?





 From: Bob Price bobpri...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 5:37 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs  the myth of the 
invincible, infallible Goddess
 


  


The Chairman of the board, and Ravi---before there was a Ravi.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5_V9RT8aR8


From: authfriend authfri...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 2:45:28 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs  the myth of the 
invincible, infallible Goddess

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@... wrote:
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60 sharelong60@ wrote:
 
  Yes, I was practicing up on my irony.
 
 Your ironing you say?

We need to get a ruling from the Ironing Board.

  

 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs the myth of the invincible, infallible Goddess

[Ravi Chivukula]

Hey Doc - thank you, yes indeed a natural fascination/attraction for other
cultures, there's healthy and unhealthy and you are right I got to see lot
of unhealthy aping of Hindu customs around Amma.

Ravi, do you ever get treated as spiritually special just because you
are Indian - lol

No - dear God no. Because all my life, pre-2009 I have acted normal,
extremely introverted except at work and focused on my career and family.
Post-2009 it's a different story - it's either a loving, playful, sincere,
supportive act with friends and totally outrageous, crazy, witty, silly -
hell bent on mocking, confusing, perplexing people and pushing their
buttons with my act.


On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 9:38 PM, doctordumb...@rocketmail.com 
no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:

 **


 Ooops - Conversely, met a lot of brown and black people...

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... no_reply@...
 wrote:
 
  Its a weird fucking thing - I have met a lot of white people in the US
 who have some desire at some point, to be black or brown, ethnic, or,
 exotic. Your descriptions of all the, my precious little brown sister
 stuff, around Amma, reminds me of it. Conversely, met a lot of brown and
 people that want to be whiter. I grew up as a minority white kid, but I
 also tanned - lol, and spoke the languages of the countries where I lived.
  Ravi, do you ever get treated as spiritually special just because you
 are Indian - lol?

 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@
 wrote:
  
   Religious delusional beliefs - a set of beliefs, consisting of
   religious terms, myths, symbolisms, archetypes, philosophy and/or
   paradigm that form a person's narrative of his or her subjective,
   spiritual, mystical experiences which thereby leaves the person
   invulnerable to reality.
  
   So an important premise of the definition is that each of us human
   beings are created, vulnerable beings i.e are subject to be influenced
   by reality (or life or existence or God or whatever way you would like
   to objectify this energy which I have chosen to merely define it as a
   mysterious, dynamic, organic entity)
  
   Once an agreement is reached on the basic premise, the definition of
   religious delusional beliefs is very easy to be understood and why I
   choose to label Amma under the grip of a religious, delusional belief,
   hopelessly deceived and deluded.
  
   Amma - went through genuine mystical experiences but the villagers then
   enchanted by this woman, Amma in a mystical trance assumed Amma to be
   possessed by the Divine Mother. In line with centuries old
 superstitious
   beliefs of theirs, their objectification of the ​mysterious,
   dynamic, organic entity.
  
   Here Amma, a woman who was much abused by her family, crude and
   uneducated fishergirl didn't know any better. Her father, who also
   enacted these myths of divine possession - of Krishna and Devi must
   have played along as well. Why not - this was part of their folklore,
   their beliefs.
  
   Thus started the myth of the Divine Mother which would fool humanity
 for
   a long time.
  
   Now you can see this from her autobiography - a tale of magic, mystery
   constructed out of the above narrative. I think the people around her
   conveniently fit her child abuse, her other stories into an
 incredulous
   narrative of 18th century woo-woo.
  
   And on the myth spread and now the PR team takes it one step further
   and elevates her to the status of a humanitarian - medals, awards -
   even a doctorate follows.
  
   Westerners burdened by their guilt for poor, for suffering, ridden by
   this existential angst, eager to unburden themselves, numb themselves
   from reality's puzzling, baffling, perplexing contradictions and
   complexities were quite willing to buy into this mystical, magical tale
   who a-la-Christ suffered for humanity's sins - this loving, embracing
   Saint.
  
   It's a wonder that she has fooled the public and press for this long -
   the majority anyway.
  
   So will reality play along with Ravi Chivukula's theory? Is Ravi - a
   mere instrument of reality in this unravelling of the myth of Amma?
   Amma - a mystically entranced Amma, an innocent village girl turned
   charlatan?
  
   Or is Ravi deluded and deceived himself? One thing for sure - if I am
   indeed deceived and deluded because I am forever vulnerable to reality
 -
   I will absorb any new information that disproves me and gracefully
   adapt to the new reality.
  
 

  

[FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs the myth of the invincible, infallible Goddess

[doctordumbass]

Thanks - Stay nice!

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote:

 Hey Doc - thank you, yes indeed a natural fascination/attraction for other
 cultures, there's healthy and unhealthy and you are right I got to see lot
 of unhealthy aping of Hindu customs around Amma.
 
 Ravi, do you ever get treated as spiritually special just because you
 are Indian - lol
 
 No - dear God no. Because all my life, pre-2009 I have acted normal,
 extremely introverted except at work and focused on my career and family.
 Post-2009 it's a different story - it's either a loving, playful, sincere,
 supportive act with friends and totally outrageous, crazy, witty, silly -
 hell bent on mocking, confusing, perplexing people and pushing their
 buttons with my act.
 
 
 On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 9:38 PM, doctordumbass@... 
 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:
 
  **
 
 
  Ooops - Conversely, met a lot of brown and black people...
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@
  wrote:
  
   Its a weird fucking thing - I have met a lot of white people in the US
  who have some desire at some point, to be black or brown, ethnic, or,
  exotic. Your descriptions of all the, my precious little brown sister
  stuff, around Amma, reminds me of it. Conversely, met a lot of brown and
  people that want to be whiter. I grew up as a minority white kid, but I
  also tanned - lol, and spoke the languages of the countries where I lived.
   Ravi, do you ever get treated as spiritually special just because you
  are Indian - lol?
 
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@
  wrote:
   
Religious delusional beliefs - a set of beliefs, consisting of
religious terms, myths, symbolisms, archetypes, philosophy and/or
paradigm that form a person's narrative of his or her subjective,
spiritual, mystical experiences which thereby leaves the person
invulnerable to reality.
   
So an important premise of the definition is that each of us human
beings are created, vulnerable beings i.e are subject to be influenced
by reality (or life or existence or God or whatever way you would like
to objectify this energy which I have chosen to merely define it as a
mysterious, dynamic, organic entity)
   
Once an agreement is reached on the basic premise, the definition of
religious delusional beliefs is very easy to be understood and why I
choose to label Amma under the grip of a religious, delusional belief,
hopelessly deceived and deluded.
   
Amma - went through genuine mystical experiences but the villagers then
enchanted by this woman, Amma in a mystical trance assumed Amma to be
possessed by the Divine Mother. In line with centuries old
  superstitious
beliefs of theirs, their objectification of the ​mysterious,
dynamic, organic entity.
   
Here Amma, a woman who was much abused by her family, crude and
uneducated fishergirl didn't know any better. Her father, who also
enacted these myths of divine possession - of Krishna and Devi must
have played along as well. Why not - this was part of their folklore,
their beliefs.
   
Thus started the myth of the Divine Mother which would fool humanity
  for
a long time.
   
Now you can see this from her autobiography - a tale of magic, mystery
constructed out of the above narrative. I think the people around her
conveniently fit her child abuse, her other stories into an
  incredulous
narrative of 18th century woo-woo.
   
And on the myth spread and now the PR team takes it one step further
and elevates her to the status of a humanitarian - medals, awards -
even a doctorate follows.
   
Westerners burdened by their guilt for poor, for suffering, ridden by
this existential angst, eager to unburden themselves, numb themselves
from reality's puzzling, baffling, perplexing contradictions and
complexities were quite willing to buy into this mystical, magical tale
who a-la-Christ suffered for humanity's sins - this loving, embracing
Saint.
   
It's a wonder that she has fooled the public and press for this long -
the majority anyway.
   
So will reality play along with Ravi Chivukula's theory? Is Ravi - a
mere instrument of reality in this unravelling of the myth of Amma?
Amma - a mystically entranced Amma, an innocent village girl turned
charlatan?
   
Or is Ravi deluded and deceived himself? One thing for sure - if I am
indeed deceived and deluded because I am forever vulnerable to reality
  -
I will absorb any new information that disproves me and gracefully
adapt to the new reality.
   
  
 
   
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs the myth of the invincible, infallible Goddess

[RoryGoff]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote:

 Well dear Rory - this is a post from Ammachi free speech zone Yahoo group -
 Amma's deluded, deceived devotees are keeping me busy for the last week and
 I'm having a lot of fun.

Ah, OK, Ravi; thanks for putting that in context. And I am glad you're having a 
lot of fun.
 
 Currently the archives are not public, because it so happened Amma's
 devotees indulged in personal attacks - character attacks, and the
 owner/moderator Jim was absent for that entire duration (last July/Aug to
 June this year). I was also banned after the interim moderator Rick handed
 over the moderatorship to some pro-Amma fanatic (don't ask me why). So he
 made the archives private while he could delete all attack posts, he
 invited me back as well. Unfortunately he ran into several Yahoo bugs where
 he lost the ability to delete posts and to make the archives public again -
 he is still working on it. And so I make sure I duplicate some of my posts
 here so it's publicly searchable.
 
 Thank you for sharing your experiences.

My pleasure, Ravi. I only hope you're not as bored with them as I am :-)

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs the myth of the invincible, infallible Goddess

[Rick Archer]

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Ravi Chivukula
Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 12:42 AM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs  the myth of the 
invincible, infallible Goddess

 

  

Well dear Rory - this is a post from Ammachi free speech zone Yahoo group - 
Amma's deluded, deceived devotees are keeping me busy for the last week and I'm 
having a lot of fun.

Currently the archives are not public, because it so happened Amma's devotees 
indulged in personal attacks - character attacks, and the owner/moderator Jim 
was absent for that entire duration (last July/Aug to June this year). I was 
also banned after the interim moderator Rick handed over the moderatorship to 
some pro-Amma fanatic (don't ask me why). 

I didn’t want to do it any more.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs the myth of the invincible, infallible Goddess

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote:

 Ravi, aren't we all forever vulnerable to reality? Right now I'm breathing. 
 Probably because my body is vulnerable to the reality of its need for oxygen 
 in order to function. OTOH, even in the context of needing oxygen, what is 
 THE reality? Some athletes take less breaths in a moment than I do. Some 
 yogis can suspend breathing for a long time. People who have lived for a long 
 time in very high mountains don't need as much oxygen in their air. So, even 
 on this simple, physical level what is THE reality to which it is good to be 
 vulnerable?

Share, that is just so *profound*. I'm sure Ravi will be
grateful to you for pointing this out to him; it's so
very *relevant* to his point.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs the myth of the invincible, infallible Goddess

[Alex Stanley]

You, Share, over there, separate from me, yeah you... YOU are an oxygen addict!

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote:

 Ravi, aren't we all forever vulnerable to reality? Right now I'm breathing. 
 Probably because my body is vulnerable to the reality of its need for oxygen 
 in order to function. OTOH, even in the context of needing oxygen, what is 
 THE reality? Some athletes take less breaths in a moment than I do. Some 
 yogis can suspend breathing for a long time. People who have lived for a long 
 time in very high mountains don't need as much oxygen in their air. So, even 
 on this simple, physical level what is THE reality to which it is good to be 
 vulnerable? 
 
 
 
 
  From: Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 9:54 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Religious delusional beliefs  the myth of the 
 invincible, infallible Goddess
  
 
 
   
 Or is Ravi deluded and deceived himself? One thing for sure - if I am 
 indeed deceived and deluded because I am forever vulnerable to reality - I 
 will absorb any new information that disproves me and gracefully 
 adapt to the new reality.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs the myth of the invincible, infallible Goddess

[Share Long]

Maybe I should start a BA group, Breathers Anonymous?





 From: Alex Stanley j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 2:28 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs  the myth of the 
invincible, infallible Goddess
 


  
You, Share, over there, separate from me, yeah you... YOU are an oxygen addict!

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote:

 Ravi, aren't we all forever vulnerable to reality? Right now I'm breathing. 
 Probably because my body is vulnerable to the reality of its need for oxygen 
 in order to function. OTOH, even in the context of needing oxygen, what is 
 THE reality? Some athletes take less breaths in a moment than I do. Some 
 yogis can suspend breathing for a long time. People who have lived for a long 
 time in very high mountains don't need as much oxygen in their air. So, even 
 on this simple, physical level what is THE reality to which it is good to be 
 vulnerable? 
 
 
 
 
  From: Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 9:54 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Religious delusional beliefs  the myth of the 
 invincible, infallible Goddess
 
 
 
   
 Or is Ravi deluded and deceived himself? One thing for sure - if I am 
 indeed deceived and deluded because I am forever vulnerable to reality - I 
 will absorb any new information that disproves me and gracefully 
 adapt to the new reality.



 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs the myth of the invincible, infallible Goddess

[raunchydog]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley  wrote:

 You, Share, over there, separate from me, yeah you... YOU are an
oxygen addict!


  [http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8446/7936014242_3ff885d017_z.jpg]

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8446/7936014242_3ff885d017_z.jpg
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8446/7936014242_3ff885d017_z.jpg



 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote:
 
  Ravi, aren't we all forever vulnerable to reality? Right now I'm
breathing. Probably because my body is vulnerable to the reality of its
need for oxygen in order to function. OTOH, even in the context of
needing oxygen, what is THE reality? Some athletes take less breaths in
a moment than I do. Some yogis can suspend breathing for a long time.
People who have lived for a long time in very high mountains don't need
as much oxygen in their air. So, even on this simple, physical level
what is THE reality to which it is good to be vulnerable?
 
 
 
  
   From: Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 9:54 PM
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] Religious delusional beliefs  the myth of
the invincible, infallible Goddess
 
 
 
  Â
  Or is Ravi deluded and deceived himself? One thing for sure - if I
am
  indeed deceived and deluded because I am forever vulnerable to
reality - I will absorb any new information that disproves me and
gracefully
  adapt to the new reality.
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs the myth of the invincible, infallible Goddess

[obbajeeba]

Great!  Sign me up!  Please don't tell anyone, okay?
Thanks.
Are you going to start a nose breathers group, you know, yoga, etc.?..
and maybe a sub group called mouth breathers?
Ie; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEVtq1jaQww
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEVtq1jaQww

Put me in for all the above, please?

Keep it secret, because I would like to avoid the carbon tax, okay? 
(shh I belong to fart's anonymous too.)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:

 Maybe I should start a BA group, Breathers Anonymous?




 
  From: Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 2:28 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs  the myth
of the invincible, infallible Goddess



 Â
 You, Share, over there, separate from me, yeah you... YOU are an
oxygen addict!

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote:
 
  Ravi, aren't we all forever vulnerable to reality? Right now I'm
breathing. Probably because my body is vulnerable to the reality of its
need for oxygen in order to function. OTOH, even in the context of
needing oxygen, what is THE reality? Some athletes take less breaths in
a moment than I do. Some yogis can suspend breathing for a long time.
People who have lived for a long time in very high mountains don't need
as much oxygen in their air. So, even on this simple, physical level
what is THE reality to which it is good to be vulnerable?
 
 
 
  
   From: Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 9:54 PM
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] Religious delusional beliefs  the myth of
the invincible, infallible Goddess
 
 
 
  ÂÂ
  Or is Ravi deluded and deceived himself? One thing for sure - if I
am
  indeed deceived and deluded because I am forever vulnerable to
reality - I will absorb any new information that disproves me and
gracefully
  adapt to the new reality.
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs the myth of the invincible, infallible Goddess

[Xenophaneros Anartaxius]

Ravi:
'Or is Ravi deluded and deceived himself? One thing for sure - if I am indeed 
deceived and deluded because I am forever vulnerable to reality - I will absorb 
any new information that disproves me and gracefully adapt to the new reality.'

Ravi, you do not have to adapt to a new reality. You are the reality. Must be 
some cobwebs in there somewhere. Vulnerability comes with the territory.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs the myth of the invincible, infallible Goddess

[Ravi Chivukula]

On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 1:55 PM, Xenophaneros Anartaxius 
anartax...@yahoo.com wrote:

 **


 Ravi:
 'Or is Ravi deluded and deceived himself? One thing for sure - if I am
 indeed deceived and deluded because I am forever vulnerable to reality - I
 will absorb any new information that disproves me and gracefully adapt to
 the new reality.'

 Ravi, you do not have to adapt to a new reality. You are the reality. Must
 be some cobwebs in there somewhere. Vulnerability comes with the territory.


​You trying to start a debate with reality Grandpa Xeno?

You are one of the most hopelessly deluded persons on FFL BTW. The man of
the Universal, abstract constructs aka platitudes :-)
​



  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs the myth of the invincible, infallible Goddess

[Ravi Chivukula]

Hi dear SHare - as Judy says, it's irrelevant, I was not talking about
physical vulnerability. Plus you are Saint Share - you are the queen of
vulnerability, always accountable, responsible to your actions, your
emotions - the epitome of my dream woman - accountability, responsibility
and self-honesty are thy attributes.



On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 10:08 AM, authfriend authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:

 **


 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote:
 
  Ravi, aren't we all forever vulnerable to reality? Right now I'm
 breathing. Probably because my body is vulnerable to the reality of its
 need for oxygen in order to function. OTOH, even in the context of needing
 oxygen, what is THE reality? Some athletes take less breaths in a moment
 than I do. Some yogis can suspend breathing for a long time. People who
 have lived for a long time in very high mountains don't need as much oxygen
 in their air. So, even on this simple, physical level what is THE reality
 to which it is good to be vulnerable?

 Share, that is just so *profound*. I'm sure Ravi will be
 grateful to you for pointing this out to him; it's so
 very *relevant* to his point.

  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs the myth of the invincible, infallible Goddess

[Ravi Chivukula]

Thanks for that clarification Rick. I understand your constraints, if at
all I was disappointed that my respect for you as someone who enables and
supports free speech faltered as you handed over the moderator ship to an
Amma fanatic. Anyway sanity's restored, Jim's back as the onwer/moderator -
as usual people accuse of me of bullying, verbal abuse, dominating but he
is able to see and appreciate the larger context of mine - thank god.


On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 8:49 AM, Rick Archer r...@searchsummit.com wrote:

 **


 *From:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:
 FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Ravi Chivukula
 *Sent:* Tuesday, August 20, 2013 12:42 AM
 *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs  the
 myth of the invincible, infallible Goddess

 ** **

   

 Well dear Rory - this is a post from Ammachi free speech zone Yahoo group
 - Amma's deluded, deceived devotees are keeping me busy for the last week
 and I'm having a lot of fun.

 Currently the archives are not public, because it so happened Amma's
 devotees indulged in personal attacks - character attacks, and the
 owner/moderator Jim was absent for that entire duration (last July/Aug to
 June this year). I was also banned after the interim moderator Rick handed
 over the moderatorship to some pro-Amma fanatic (don't ask me why). 

 I didn’t want to do it any more.

  

[FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs the myth of the invincible, infallible Goddess

[Xenophaneros Anartaxius]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote:

 ​You trying to start a debate with reality Grandpa Xeno?
 
 You are one of the most hopelessly deluded persons on FFL BTW. The man of
 the Universal, abstract constructs aka platitudes :-)

You really need to bone a babe Ravi. You are stuck, you gotta break out of that 
mold. Do you have a standardised form you fill out when you post?

'You are { insult #1 }, { insult #2 }, { insult #3 }, etc., { categorisation 
remark #1 }, { categorisation remark #2 }, etc.

You write and post some nice things from time to time. You need some social 
skills not related to reading Judy's and Barry's posts. 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs the myth of the invincible, infallible Goddess

[raunchydog]

What is Real Reality? Interesting video with lousy music.
http://youtu.be/ukbFvxusMMI

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... 
wrote:

 Religious delusional beliefs - a set of beliefs, consisting of 
 religious terms, myths, symbolisms, archetypes, philosophy and/or 
 paradigm that form a person's narrative of his or her subjective,
 spiritual, mystical experiences which thereby  leaves the person
 invulnerable to reality.
 
 So  an important premise of the definition is that each of us human
 beings  are created, vulnerable beings i.e are subject to be influenced
 by  reality (or life or existence or God or whatever way you would like
 to  objectify this energy which I have chosen to merely define it as a 
 mysterious, dynamic, organic entity)
 
 Once  an agreement is reached on the basic premise, the definition of 
 religious delusional beliefs is very easy to be understood and why I 
 choose to label Amma under the grip of a religious, delusional belief, 
 hopelessly deceived and deluded.
 
 Amma  - went through genuine mystical experiences but the villagers then
 enchanted by this woman, Amma in a mystical trance assumed Amma to be 
 possessed by the Divine Mother. In line with centuries old superstitious
 beliefs of theirs, their objectification of the ​mysterious,
 dynamic,  organic entity.
 
 Here  Amma, a woman who was much abused by her family, crude and
 uneducated  fishergirl didn't know any better. Her father, who also
 enacted these  myths of divine possession - of Krishna and Devi must
 have played along  as well. Why not - this was part of their folklore,
 their beliefs.
 
 Thus started the myth of the Divine Mother which would fool humanity for
 a long time.
 
 Now  you can see this from her autobiography - a tale of magic, mystery 
 constructed out of the above narrative. I think the people around her 
 conveniently fit her child abuse, her other stories into an incredulous 
 narrative of 18th century woo-woo.
 
 And  on the myth spread and now the PR team takes it one step further
 and  elevates her to the status of a humanitarian - medals, awards -
 even a  doctorate follows.
 
 Westerners  burdened by their guilt for poor, for suffering, ridden by
 this  existential angst, eager to unburden themselves, numb themselves
 from  reality's puzzling, baffling, perplexing contradictions and
 complexities  were quite willing to buy into this mystical, magical tale
 who  a-la-Christ suffered for humanity's sins - this loving, embracing
 Saint.
 
 It's a wonder that she has fooled the public and press for this long -
 the majority anyway.
 
 So  will reality play along with Ravi Chivukula's theory? Is Ravi - a
 mere  instrument of reality in this unravelling of the myth of Amma?
 Amma - a  mystically entranced Amma, an innocent village girl turned
 charlatan?
 
 Or  is Ravi deluded and deceived himself? One thing for sure - if I am 
 indeed deceived and deluded because I am forever vulnerable to reality -
 I will absorb any new information that disproves me and gracefully 
 adapt to the new reality.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs the myth of the invincible, infallible Goddess

[Ravi Chivukula]

On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 3:12 PM, Xenophaneros Anartaxius 
anartax...@yahoo.com wrote:

 **


 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@...
 wrote:

  ​You trying to start a debate with reality Grandpa Xeno?

 
  You are one of the most hopelessly deluded persons on FFL BTW. The man of
  the Universal, abstract constructs aka platitudes :-)

 You really need to bone a babe Ravi. You are stuck, you gotta break out of
 that mold. Do you have a standardised form you fill out when you post?

 'You are { insult #1 }, { insult #2 }, { insult #3 }, etc., {
 categorisation remark #1 }, { categorisation remark #2 }, etc.

 You write and post some nice things from time to time. You need some
 social skills not related to reading Judy's and Barry's posts.


​Hilarious Grandpa, I need some social skills from a cold, heartless zombie
like you? LOL..I am a natural charmer, I easily charm and entertain and
captivate an audience. It shows how alienated from reality and how
hopelessly deluded you are, you idiot.

Did you read Bob Price from last night, that I make insults sing and dance?

I spend lot of intelligence in my insults - whereas you SPEND ZERO
INTELLIGENCE AND ZERO CREATIVITY in your Universal, abstract constructs.

My insults are highly customized for each individual you ignorant fool -
show me where I reuse my insults - who else have I accused of using
Universal, abstract constructs other than you?

I only use generic insults when I'm still in the bait, provoke mode, still
collecting some information on an individual, building my dossier.

​



  

[FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs the myth of the invincible, infallible Goddess

[obbajeeba]

Xeno Exustio Offensio Vulnus Anorexias, Bone a babe?  Come on! Really?
You need social skills!  Here;


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyIuuktFTn0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyIuuktFTn0





--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula  wrote:

 On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 3:12 PM, Xenophaneros Anartaxius 
 anartaxius@... wrote:

  **
 
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@
  wrote:
 
   ​You trying to start a debate with reality Grandpa
Xeno?
 
  
   You are one of the most hopelessly deluded persons on FFL BTW. The
man of
   the Universal, abstract constructs aka platitudes :-)
 
  You really need to bone a babe Ravi. You are stuck, you gotta break
out of
  that mold. Do you have a standardised form you fill out when you
post?
 
  'You are { insult #1 }, { insult #2 }, { insult #3 }, etc., {
  categorisation remark #1 }, { categorisation remark #2 }, etc.
 
  You write and post some nice things from time to time. You need some
  social skills not related to reading Judy's and Barry's posts.
 

 ​Hilarious Grandpa, I need some social skills from a cold,
heartless zombie
 like you? LOL..I am a natural charmer, I easily charm and entertain
and
 captivate an audience. It shows how alienated from reality and how
 hopelessly deluded you are, you idiot.

 Did you read Bob Price from last night, that I make insults sing and
dance?

 I spend lot of intelligence in my insults - whereas you SPEND ZERO
 INTELLIGENCE AND ZERO CREATIVITY in your Universal, abstract
constructs.

 My insults are highly customized for each individual you ignorant fool
-
 show me where I reuse my insults - who else have I accused of using
 Universal, abstract constructs other than you?

 I only use generic insults when I'm still in the bait, provoke mode,
still
 collecting some information on an individual, building my dossier.

 ​


 
 
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs the myth of the invincible, infallible Goddess

[Xenophaneros Anartaxius]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote:

 Hilarious Grandpa, I need some social skills from a cold, heartless zombie 
 like you?

Absolutely not. That you would even think of such a thing in passing shows you 
are hopelessly deranged. I would suggest another source. I suggest Charles 
Manson:

'We're all our own prisons, we are each all our own wardens and we do our own 
time. I can't judge anyone else. What other people do is not really my affair 
unless they approach me with it. Prison's in your mind. Can't you see I'm free?'

'Will of God.. whatever you wanna call it.. you call it Jesus, call it 
Mohammed, call it goobybob, call it nuclear mind, call it blow the world up, 
call it your heart. Whatever you wanna call it, it's still music to me. It's 
there. It's the will of life.'

'As long as there's hate in your heart, there'll be hate in the world. You 
can't fight for peace and you cannot capture freedom.'

'Have you ever seen the coyote in the desert? Watching, tuned in, completely 
aware. Christ on the cross, the coyote in the desert — it's the same thing, 
man. The coyote is beautiful. He moves through the desert delicately, aware of 
everything, looking around. He hears every sound, smells every smell, sees 
everything that moves. He's in a state of total paranoia, and total paranoia is 
total awareness.'

'There's nothing wrong with being incompetent... It just means you don't have 
to do as much.'

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs the myth of the invincible, infallible Goddess

[Ravi Chivukula]

*sigh*

Yeah you figured out my Grandpa Xeno - in the absence of his Universal,
abstract constructs he turns into a graceless, tactless douche-bag.

But you know what that creepy, cold, heartless bastard may have never
fallen in love, may have never sung a song in joy or pain, may never have
played an instrument, written poetry, loved any children or pets, but he
certainly loves me !!! Because his Universal, abstract constructs fail once
I start messing with his big head and so he will be always be redeemed
because that bitter, sullen old man loves me.





On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 6:48 PM, obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:

 **


 Xeno Exustio Offensio Vulnus Anorexias, Bone a babe?  Come on! Really?
 You need social skills!  Here;


 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyIuuktFTn0





 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula wrote:
 
  On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 3:12 PM, Xenophaneros Anartaxius 
  anartaxius@... wrote:
 
   **

  
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@
   wrote:
  
​You trying to start a debate with reality Grandpa Xeno?

  
   
You are one of the most hopelessly deluded persons on FFL BTW. The
 man of
the Universal, abstract constructs aka platitudes :-)
  
   You really need to bone a babe Ravi. You are stuck, you gotta break
 out of
   that mold. Do you have a standardised form you fill out when you post?
  
   'You are { insult #1 }, { insult #2 }, { insult #3 }, etc., {
   categorisation remark #1 }, { categorisation remark #2 }, etc.
  
   You write and post some nice things from time to time. You need some
   social skills not related to reading Judy's and Barry's posts.
  
 
  ​Hilarious Grandpa, I need some social skills from a cold, heartless
 zombie

  like you? LOL..I am a natural charmer, I easily charm and entertain and
  captivate an audience. It shows how alienated from reality and how
  hopelessly deluded you are, you idiot.
 
  Did you read Bob Price from last night, that I make insults sing and
 dance?
 
  I spend lot of intelligence in my insults - whereas you SPEND ZERO
  INTELLIGENCE AND ZERO CREATIVITY in your Universal, abstract constructs.
 
  My insults are highly customized for each individual you ignorant fool -
  show me where I reuse my insults - who else have I accused of using
  Universal, abstract constructs other than you?
 
  I only use generic insults when I'm still in the bait, provoke mode,
 still
  collecting some information on an individual, building my dossier.
 
  ​
 
 
  
  
  
 

  

[FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs the myth of the invincible, infallible Goddess

[obbajeeba]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius 
anartaxius@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote:
 
  Hilarious Grandpa, I need some social skills from a cold, heartless zombie 
  like you?
 
 Absolutely not. That you would even think of such a thing in passing shows 
 you are hopelessly deranged. I would suggest another source. I suggest 
 Charles Manson:
 
 'We're all our own prisons, we are each all our own wardens and we do our own 
 time. I can't judge anyone else. What other people do is not really my affair 
 unless they approach me with it. Prison's in your mind. Can't you see I'm 
 free?'
 
 'Will of God.. whatever you wanna call it.. you call it Jesus, call it 
 Mohammed, call it goobybob, call it nuclear mind, call it blow the world up, 
 call it your heart. Whatever you wanna call it, it's still music to me. It's 
 there. It's the will of life.'
 
 'As long as there's hate in your heart, there'll be hate in the world. You 
 can't fight for peace and you cannot capture freedom.'
 
 'Have you ever seen the coyote in the desert? Watching, tuned in, completely 
 aware. Christ on the cross, the coyote in the desert — it's the same thing, 
 man. The coyote is beautiful. He moves through the desert delicately, aware 
 of everything, looking around. He hears every sound, smells every smell, sees 
 everything that moves. He's in a state of total paranoia, and total paranoia 
 is total awareness.'
 
 'There's nothing wrong with being incompetent... It just means you don't have 
 to do as much.'

Do less and accomplish more. Huh?
Just sit with your eyes close and hand over all your money. If you have none 
left, than you have bad karma. The coyote's paranoiaShare, where are you, 
you can explain better than Xeno Anorexias. I am not even sure how to tackle 
his logic here. Go with the flow, giving money does not make poverty go away. 
Oh say can you see!  By the dawn's early light!  Xenotardness prevails as the 
twilight's last gleeming! How about those Sox, eh? Can't fly from your pants, 
but a fly is on your pants!  Do nothing, stop typing, stop acting, stop 
producing, but step right up and sign up here and see the amazing Bearded 
Woman!  Come and see her now!  Only $2.00 USD.
Go within, forget about the kitchari on the stove! Burn, burn, burn, do 
nothing, eat the center, accomplish pretzels!  
Sorry Xeno, this is about the state of awareness you seem to be in. Just an 
example of Christ, Coyote awareness? 
Poop. I am posting more and doing less. Just be. Ravi, did you get anymore out 
of Xeno's statement above, or is it just me?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs the myth of the invincible, infallible Goddess

[doctordumbass]

Manson, despite these quotes, made a much stronger statement with the knives 
and guns of his followers, and those who were murdered as a result of his 
hatred, and sociopathy. What a total punk that guy is. Beyond disgusting. A 
true waste of space. May he pass away tomorrow, or sooner.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius 
anartaxius@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote:
 
  Hilarious Grandpa, I need some social skills from a cold, heartless zombie 
  like you?
 
 Absolutely not. That you would even think of such a thing in passing shows 
 you are hopelessly deranged. I would suggest another source. I suggest 
 Charles Manson:
 
 'We're all our own prisons, we are each all our own wardens and we do our own 
 time. I can't judge anyone else. What other people do is not really my affair 
 unless they approach me with it. Prison's in your mind. Can't you see I'm 
 free?'
 
 'Will of God.. whatever you wanna call it.. you call it Jesus, call it 
 Mohammed, call it goobybob, call it nuclear mind, call it blow the world up, 
 call it your heart. Whatever you wanna call it, it's still music to me. It's 
 there. It's the will of life.'
 
 'As long as there's hate in your heart, there'll be hate in the world. You 
 can't fight for peace and you cannot capture freedom.'
 
 'Have you ever seen the coyote in the desert? Watching, tuned in, completely 
 aware. Christ on the cross, the coyote in the desert — it's the same thing, 
 man. The coyote is beautiful. He moves through the desert delicately, aware 
 of everything, looking around. He hears every sound, smells every smell, sees 
 everything that moves. He's in a state of total paranoia, and total paranoia 
 is total awareness.'
 
 'There's nothing wrong with being incompetent... It just means you don't have 
 to do as much.'

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs the myth of the invincible, infallible Goddess

[Ravi Chivukula]

Ravi, did you get anymore out of Xeno's statement above, or is it just me?

No dear, I'm in the same boat yeah. I'm telling you it's hard to make
Grandpa Xeno give up his universal, abstract constructs easily but once he
does he sounds totally deranged. He has this weird fascination with serial
killers and psychopaths and sociopaths and it comes out - I'm used to it
now, but yeah you will get used to it eventually.


On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 7:51 PM, obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:

 **




 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius
 anartaxius@... wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@
 wrote:
 
   Hilarious Grandpa, I need some social skills from a cold, heartless
 zombie like you?
 
  Absolutely not. That you would even think of such a thing in passing
 shows you are hopelessly deranged. I would suggest another source. I
 suggest Charles Manson:
 
  'We're all our own prisons, we are each all our own wardens and we do
 our own time. I can't judge anyone else. What other people do is not really
 my affair unless they approach me with it. Prison's in your mind. Can't you
 see I'm free?'
 
  'Will of God.. whatever you wanna call it.. you call it Jesus, call it
 Mohammed, call it goobybob, call it nuclear mind, call it blow the world
 up, call it your heart. Whatever you wanna call it, it's still music to me.
 It's there. It's the will of life.'
 
  'As long as there's hate in your heart, there'll be hate in the world.
 You can't fight for peace and you cannot capture freedom.'
 
  'Have you ever seen the coyote in the desert? Watching, tuned in,
 completely aware. Christ on the cross, the coyote in the desert — it's the
 same thing, man. The coyote is beautiful. He moves through the desert
 delicately, aware of everything, looking around. He hears every sound,
 smells every smell, sees everything that moves. He's in a state of total
 paranoia, and total paranoia is total awareness.'
 
  'There's nothing wrong with being incompetent... It just means you don't
 have to do as much.'
 
 Do less and accomplish more. Huh?
 Just sit with your eyes close and hand over all your money. If you have
 none left, than you have bad karma. The coyote's paranoiaShare, where
 are you, you can explain better than Xeno Anorexias. I am not even sure how
 to tackle his logic here. Go with the flow, giving money does not make
 poverty go away. Oh say can you see! By the dawn's early light!
 Xenotardness prevails as the twilight's last gleeming! How about those Sox,
 eh? Can't fly from your pants, but a fly is on your pants! Do nothing, stop
 typing, stop acting, stop producing, but step right up and sign up here and
 see the amazing Bearded Woman! Come and see her now! Only $2.00 USD.
 Go within, forget about the kitchari on the stove! Burn, burn, burn, do
 nothing, eat the center, accomplish pretzels!
 Sorry Xeno, this is about the state of awareness you seem to be in. Just
 an example of Christ, Coyote awareness?
 Poop. I am posting more and doing less. Just be. Ravi, did you get anymore
 out of Xeno's statement above, or is it just me?

  

[FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs the myth of the invincible, infallible Goddess

[RoryGoff]

OK, sounds good, Ravi; it is good to have a mission statement. 

If you are asking me, I have no idea of who Amma really is, any more than I do 
of who anyone really is. I have never been particularly wowed by Amma, 
personally, but that may just be me, a question of chemistry perhaps. Other 
people whom I do respect a great deal, do respect Amma a great deal, and I 
appreciate the magnitude of the devotion they bring to the table. My feelings 
for Maharishi have gone through the entire gamut over the past 40 years, and I 
find now I can hold no one view paramount, to the exclusion of all the rest. 

Personally, I enjoy devotion, at times, and in one sense it probably doesn't 
matter too much what the object of one's devotion really is. If one can feel 
devotion for and see the divine in a rock, why not in a person, flawed though 
they most certainly are from other points of view? On the other hand, it 
appears to me that we do tend to assume the qualities of our object of 
devotion, and cultic abuse may subconsciously be carried down through the 
generations. Or maybe we are just drawn to that particular cult because it 
matches our own abuse history and patterns. Or both. Of course, it is good to 
use our intellect in conjunction (and I do mean conjunction) with our heart.

I do think we are probably all deceived and deluded to some extent. I know I 
certainly am, at any rate. All we can do is try to take the feedback into 
account, and learn, and grow.



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... 
wrote:

 Religious delusional beliefs - a set of beliefs, consisting of 
 religious terms, myths, symbolisms, archetypes, philosophy and/or 
 paradigm that form a person's narrative of his or her subjective,
 spiritual, mystical experiences which thereby  leaves the person
 invulnerable to reality.
 
 So  an important premise of the definition is that each of us human
 beings  are created, vulnerable beings i.e are subject to be influenced
 by  reality (or life or existence or God or whatever way you would like
 to  objectify this energy which I have chosen to merely define it as a 
 mysterious, dynamic, organic entity)
 
 Once  an agreement is reached on the basic premise, the definition of 
 religious delusional beliefs is very easy to be understood and why I 
 choose to label Amma under the grip of a religious, delusional belief, 
 hopelessly deceived and deluded.
 
 Amma  - went through genuine mystical experiences but the villagers then
 enchanted by this woman, Amma in a mystical trance assumed Amma to be 
 possessed by the Divine Mother. In line with centuries old superstitious
 beliefs of theirs, their objectification of the ​mysterious,
 dynamic,  organic entity.
 
 Here  Amma, a woman who was much abused by her family, crude and
 uneducated  fishergirl didn't know any better. Her father, who also
 enacted these  myths of divine possession - of Krishna and Devi must
 have played along  as well. Why not - this was part of their folklore,
 their beliefs.
 
 Thus started the myth of the Divine Mother which would fool humanity for
 a long time.
 
 Now  you can see this from her autobiography - a tale of magic, mystery 
 constructed out of the above narrative. I think the people around her 
 conveniently fit her child abuse, her other stories into an incredulous 
 narrative of 18th century woo-woo.
 
 And  on the myth spread and now the PR team takes it one step further
 and  elevates her to the status of a humanitarian - medals, awards -
 even a  doctorate follows.
 
 Westerners  burdened by their guilt for poor, for suffering, ridden by
 this  existential angst, eager to unburden themselves, numb themselves
 from  reality's puzzling, baffling, perplexing contradictions and
 complexities  were quite willing to buy into this mystical, magical tale
 who  a-la-Christ suffered for humanity's sins - this loving, embracing
 Saint.
 
 It's a wonder that she has fooled the public and press for this long -
 the majority anyway.
 
 So  will reality play along with Ravi Chivukula's theory? Is Ravi - a
 mere  instrument of reality in this unravelling of the myth of Amma?
 Amma - a  mystically entranced Amma, an innocent village girl turned
 charlatan?
 
 Or  is Ravi deluded and deceived himself? One thing for sure - if I am 
 indeed deceived and deluded because I am forever vulnerable to reality -
 I will absorb any new information that disproves me and gracefully 
 adapt to the new reality.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs the myth of the invincible, infallible Goddess

[doctordumbass]

Its a weird fucking thing - I have met a lot of white people in the US who have 
some desire at some point, to be black or brown, ethnic, or, exotic. Your 
descriptions of all the, my precious little brown sister stuff, around Amma, 
reminds me of it. Conversely, met a lot of brown and people that want to be 
whiter. I grew up as a minority white kid, but I also tanned - lol, and spoke 
the languages of the countries where I lived.
Ravi, do you ever get treated as spiritually special just because you are 
Indian - lol?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... 
wrote:

 Religious delusional beliefs - a set of beliefs, consisting of 
 religious terms, myths, symbolisms, archetypes, philosophy and/or 
 paradigm that form a person's narrative of his or her subjective,
 spiritual, mystical experiences which thereby  leaves the person
 invulnerable to reality.
 
 So  an important premise of the definition is that each of us human
 beings  are created, vulnerable beings i.e are subject to be influenced
 by  reality (or life or existence or God or whatever way you would like
 to  objectify this energy which I have chosen to merely define it as a 
 mysterious, dynamic, organic entity)
 
 Once  an agreement is reached on the basic premise, the definition of 
 religious delusional beliefs is very easy to be understood and why I 
 choose to label Amma under the grip of a religious, delusional belief, 
 hopelessly deceived and deluded.
 
 Amma  - went through genuine mystical experiences but the villagers then
 enchanted by this woman, Amma in a mystical trance assumed Amma to be 
 possessed by the Divine Mother. In line with centuries old superstitious
 beliefs of theirs, their objectification of the ​mysterious,
 dynamic,  organic entity.
 
 Here  Amma, a woman who was much abused by her family, crude and
 uneducated  fishergirl didn't know any better. Her father, who also
 enacted these  myths of divine possession - of Krishna and Devi must
 have played along  as well. Why not - this was part of their folklore,
 their beliefs.
 
 Thus started the myth of the Divine Mother which would fool humanity for
 a long time.
 
 Now  you can see this from her autobiography - a tale of magic, mystery 
 constructed out of the above narrative. I think the people around her 
 conveniently fit her child abuse, her other stories into an incredulous 
 narrative of 18th century woo-woo.
 
 And  on the myth spread and now the PR team takes it one step further
 and  elevates her to the status of a humanitarian - medals, awards -
 even a  doctorate follows.
 
 Westerners  burdened by their guilt for poor, for suffering, ridden by
 this  existential angst, eager to unburden themselves, numb themselves
 from  reality's puzzling, baffling, perplexing contradictions and
 complexities  were quite willing to buy into this mystical, magical tale
 who  a-la-Christ suffered for humanity's sins - this loving, embracing
 Saint.
 
 It's a wonder that she has fooled the public and press for this long -
 the majority anyway.
 
 So  will reality play along with Ravi Chivukula's theory? Is Ravi - a
 mere  instrument of reality in this unravelling of the myth of Amma?
 Amma - a  mystically entranced Amma, an innocent village girl turned
 charlatan?
 
 Or  is Ravi deluded and deceived himself? One thing for sure - if I am 
 indeed deceived and deluded because I am forever vulnerable to reality -
 I will absorb any new information that disproves me and gracefully 
 adapt to the new reality.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs the myth of the invincible, infallible Goddess

[doctordumbass]

Ooops - Conversely, met a lot of brown and black people...

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... no_reply@... wrote:

 Its a weird fucking thing - I have met a lot of white people in the US who 
 have some desire at some point, to be black or brown, ethnic, or, exotic. 
 Your descriptions of all the, my precious little brown sister stuff, around 
 Amma, reminds me of it. Conversely, met a lot of brown and people that want 
 to be whiter. I grew up as a minority white kid, but I also tanned - lol, and 
 spoke the languages of the countries where I lived.
 Ravi, do you ever get treated as spiritually special just because you are 
 Indian - lol?
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ 
 wrote:
 
  Religious delusional beliefs - a set of beliefs, consisting of 
  religious terms, myths, symbolisms, archetypes, philosophy and/or 
  paradigm that form a person's narrative of his or her subjective,
  spiritual, mystical experiences which thereby  leaves the person
  invulnerable to reality.
  
  So  an important premise of the definition is that each of us human
  beings  are created, vulnerable beings i.e are subject to be influenced
  by  reality (or life or existence or God or whatever way you would like
  to  objectify this energy which I have chosen to merely define it as a 
  mysterious, dynamic, organic entity)
  
  Once  an agreement is reached on the basic premise, the definition of 
  religious delusional beliefs is very easy to be understood and why I 
  choose to label Amma under the grip of a religious, delusional belief, 
  hopelessly deceived and deluded.
  
  Amma  - went through genuine mystical experiences but the villagers then
  enchanted by this woman, Amma in a mystical trance assumed Amma to be 
  possessed by the Divine Mother. In line with centuries old superstitious
  beliefs of theirs, their objectification of the ​mysterious,
  dynamic,  organic entity.
  
  Here  Amma, a woman who was much abused by her family, crude and
  uneducated  fishergirl didn't know any better. Her father, who also
  enacted these  myths of divine possession - of Krishna and Devi must
  have played along  as well. Why not - this was part of their folklore,
  their beliefs.
  
  Thus started the myth of the Divine Mother which would fool humanity for
  a long time.
  
  Now  you can see this from her autobiography - a tale of magic, mystery 
  constructed out of the above narrative. I think the people around her 
  conveniently fit her child abuse, her other stories into an incredulous 
  narrative of 18th century woo-woo.
  
  And  on the myth spread and now the PR team takes it one step further
  and  elevates her to the status of a humanitarian - medals, awards -
  even a  doctorate follows.
  
  Westerners  burdened by their guilt for poor, for suffering, ridden by
  this  existential angst, eager to unburden themselves, numb themselves
  from  reality's puzzling, baffling, perplexing contradictions and
  complexities  were quite willing to buy into this mystical, magical tale
  who  a-la-Christ suffered for humanity's sins - this loving, embracing
  Saint.
  
  It's a wonder that she has fooled the public and press for this long -
  the majority anyway.
  
  So  will reality play along with Ravi Chivukula's theory? Is Ravi - a
  mere  instrument of reality in this unravelling of the myth of Amma?
  Amma - a  mystically entranced Amma, an innocent village girl turned
  charlatan?
  
  Or  is Ravi deluded and deceived himself? One thing for sure - if I am 
  indeed deceived and deluded because I am forever vulnerable to reality -
  I will absorb any new information that disproves me and gracefully 
  adapt to the new reality.
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religious delusional beliefs the myth of the invincible, infallible Goddess

[Ravi Chivukula]

Well dear Rory - this is a post from Ammachi free speech zone Yahoo group -
Amma's deluded, deceived devotees are keeping me busy for the last week and
I'm having a lot of fun.

Currently the archives are not public, because it so happened Amma's
devotees indulged in personal attacks - character attacks, and the
owner/moderator Jim was absent for that entire duration (last July/Aug to
June this year). I was also banned after the interim moderator Rick handed
over the moderatorship to some pro-Amma fanatic (don't ask me why). So he
made the archives private while he could delete all attack posts, he
invited me back as well. Unfortunately he ran into several Yahoo bugs where
he lost the ability to delete posts and to make the archives public again -
he is still working on it. And so I make sure I duplicate some of my posts
here so it's publicly searchable.

Thank you for sharing your experiences.



On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 8:35 PM, RoryGoff roryg...@hotmail.com wrote:

 **


 OK, sounds good, Ravi; it is good to have a mission statement.

 If you are asking me, I have no idea of who Amma really is, any more than
 I do of who anyone really is. I have never been particularly wowed by Amma,
 personally, but that may just be me, a question of chemistry perhaps.
 Other people whom I do respect a great deal, do respect Amma a great deal,
 and I appreciate the magnitude of the devotion they bring to the table. My
 feelings for Maharishi have gone through the entire gamut over the past 40
 years, and I find now I can hold no one view paramount, to the exclusion of
 all the rest.

 Personally, I enjoy devotion, at times, and in one sense it probably
 doesn't matter too much what the object of one's devotion really is. If
 one can feel devotion for and see the divine in a rock, why not in a
 person, flawed though they most certainly are from other points of view? On
 the other hand, it appears to me that we do tend to assume the qualities of
 our object of devotion, and cultic abuse may subconsciously be carried down
 through the generations. Or maybe we are just drawn to that particular cult
 because it matches our own abuse history and patterns. Or both. Of course,
 it is good to use our intellect in conjunction (and I do mean conjunction)
 with our heart.

 I do think we are probably all deceived and deluded to some extent. I know
 I certainly am, at any rate. All we can do is try to take the feedback into
 account, and learn, and grow.


 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@...
 wrote:
 
  Religious delusional beliefs - a set of beliefs, consisting of
  religious terms, myths, symbolisms, archetypes, philosophy and/or
  paradigm that form a person's narrative of his or her subjective,
  spiritual, mystical experiences which thereby leaves the person
  invulnerable to reality.
 
  So an important premise of the definition is that each of us human
  beings are created, vulnerable beings i.e are subject to be influenced
  by reality (or life or existence or God or whatever way you would like
  to objectify this energy which I have chosen to merely define it as a
  mysterious, dynamic, organic entity)
 
  Once an agreement is reached on the basic premise, the definition of
  religious delusional beliefs is very easy to be understood and why I
  choose to label Amma under the grip of a religious, delusional belief,
  hopelessly deceived and deluded.
 
  Amma - went through genuine mystical experiences but the villagers then
  enchanted by this woman, Amma in a mystical trance assumed Amma to be
  possessed by the Divine Mother. In line with centuries old superstitious
  beliefs of theirs, their objectification of the ​mysterious,
  dynamic, organic entity.
 
  Here Amma, a woman who was much abused by her family, crude and
  uneducated fishergirl didn't know any better. Her father, who also
  enacted these myths of divine possession - of Krishna and Devi must
  have played along as well. Why not - this was part of their folklore,
  their beliefs.
 
  Thus started the myth of the Divine Mother which would fool humanity for
  a long time.
 
  Now you can see this from her autobiography - a tale of magic, mystery
  constructed out of the above narrative. I think the people around her
  conveniently fit her child abuse, her other stories into an incredulous
  narrative of 18th century woo-woo.
 
  And on the myth spread and now the PR team takes it one step further
  and elevates her to the status of a humanitarian - medals, awards -
  even a doctorate follows.
 
  Westerners burdened by their guilt for poor, for suffering, ridden by
  this existential angst, eager to unburden themselves, numb themselves
  from reality's puzzling, baffling, perplexing contradictions and
  complexities were quite willing to buy into this mystical, magical tale
  who a-la-Christ suffered for humanity's sins - this loving, embracing
  Saint.
 
  It's a wonder that she has fooled the public and press for this