[FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies

[Richard J. Williams]

What would it take, Buck, to get you and some of 
the other informants to 'snip' before you post? 

At least you are a 'top-poster'. Thanks for that!

Do any of you informants know how to use the 
'preview' button? It's not complicated. Go figure.

Buck:
 These are some of the best meditator essays 
 written about Fairfield life.  They deserve to 
 be brought to the top and read again in the whole
 discussion of TM or Fairfield after Maharishi.
 
 http://www.krystofiak.com/talk.html

SNIP

[FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote:

 I am not trying to be unkind here, but you guys just don't get it. 

Dear MJ, you have no idea how grateful we all are having a failed channeler in 
our midst to explain everything to us !

[FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote:
 
  I am not trying to be unkind here, but you guys just don't get it. 
 

Dear MJ, you have no idea how grateful we all are for having a failed channeler 
in our midst who can explain everything to us !

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies

[Michael Jackson]

what makes you think I failed, dummy? Because I am not trying to claim special 
relationship with a master (so-called) who never shows up like your mentor 
Benjy?





 From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, June 28, 2013 7:01 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's  Anti-Saint Policies
 


  


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote:

 I am not trying to be unkind here, but you guys just don't get it. 

Dear MJ, you have no idea how grateful we all are having a failed channeler in 
our midst to explain everything to us !


 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies

[sparaig]

I still find this tape charming: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRSvW9Ml9DQ


L

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote:
 
  If I had known about a no Saints policy before learning TM, honestly, 
  that type of control would have steered me far away from learning TM, 
  absolutely.
 
 That's nothing, if I'd seen a tape of Marshy before learning
 I wouldn't have bothered.
 
 There is a reason they keep stuff like this back, they don't
 want to scare people off. At the academy I worked at they had
 special weekend courses for newbies with normal food and easy
 going tapes with no chanting etc. The whole thing was designed
 to get you into the belief system bit by bit. 
 
   
  Hindsight, when I was innocent to some of these ridicules requirements, 
  such as that, I would appreciated hearing from others what is going to be 
  expected, of one to use and do a stress reduction, technique, and pay 
  for it on top of that!
  
  Nothing is wrong with teaching and sharing and a fair exchange of goods for 
  services.
  It is all the stupid requirements that make it look like a cult.
 
 It *is* a cult.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies

[sparaig]

Forty years of doing the same thing


I marvel all the time how unlike my meditation today is from yesterday or from 
39 years ago.

Are you sure you're doing TM?


L

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... no_reply@... wrote:

 I could not care less about what Barry's, or your, intent may be. Forty years 
 is an awfully long time to be doing the same thing, and expecting a different 
 result. That is commonly referred to as insanity. That is why I made the 
 statement I did about happily living on a different continent from him. I 
 don't dig his shit, though you seem to enjoy doing so.
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote:
 
  I think Barry is hoping beyond hope that you who practice will wake up from 
  the dream and act like you got some sense like me and Barry and Curtis, et 
  al. Even Barry as much sense as he seems to have might have a forlorn hope. 
  
  
  
  
  
   From: doctordumbass@ doctordumbass@
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 9:16 AM
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's  Anti-Saint Policies
   
  
  
    
  Actually much more pathetic to have QUIT TM OVER 40 YEARS AGO, and yet, 
  still remain obsessed with who does it, and for how long, and how it is now 
  being marketed, and who Maharishi was, or wasn't, and your opinion on those 
  in the TM Org, and how the sidhis work, and what they do or do not do, etc, 
  etc, etc. 
  
  Fuck dude, you spend a lot more time on TM, than most of us do, who 
  actually practice it! 
  
  Its a really odd thing, this addiction of yours, to something you haven't 
  done for most of your life. You are unique in that way. Among  anyone I 
  have ever known, or met, or taught in class, or spoke with on a plane, or 
  had a conversation with at a party, or at work, or written to, I have NEVER 
  MET someone with an obsession like yours, who had nothing whatsoever to do 
  with the object of their obsession. I have never seen this behavior before. 
  
  As a result, I am really glad you live on a different continent, than I do. 
  :-)
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote:
  
   Not to *mention* the fact that Judy has *never* been
   involved with the TM organization,
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies

[turquoiseb]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote:

 snip more Judyposturing 
 Plus which, from the very beginning of Robin's tenure
 on FFL, Barry has been eaten alive by jealousy because
 Robin has gotten so much more attention than Barry has.

Methinks the lady doth project too much. :-)

That's what SHE is here on FFL. And she's so limited 
in her thinking that she believes that's why others 
are here, too. 

We ARE talking, after all, about the person that the
Posting Limits were invented FOR. One of the reasons
she's so obsessed with me is that I was the one who
first brought up her tendency to write literally
*hundreds* of posts, flooding this forum with post
after post after post after post after post, week
after week after week, month after month after month,
trying desperately to be *the* focus of attention 
through sheer numbers and sheer volume of vitriol. 

Rick caught a clue from my comments (and those of 
many others, including many who had left the forum 
because of her) and took that obsessive-compulsive, 
attention-seeking, stuck-at-home-with-nothing-else-
to-do advantage away from her. He limited her to the 
same amount of posts that everyone else gets to make. 
She's been on an insane crusade to get Barry ever
since, even more than she was before. 

Being deprived of her primary -- and very possibly
*only* -- mechanism for getting attention was the 
biggest defeat she ever suffered, and Judy Stein 
doth not suffer defeat lightly. 

That's one way of looking at the situation. There
are others. Maybe she just argues compulsively 
and stalks her enemies because that's all she CAN 
do, and the attention-seeking is way of hiding her
inability to write anything creative or original. 
Who really knows.

All I know is that after all these years it's
still fun to dash off a post that I know in advance
will push her over the edge and inspire her to pour
out more vitriol than usual. Last night's short
mention of Robin worked like a charm in that regard. :-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies

[turquoiseb]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@... wrote:

 I'm just happy for you Judy.  This subject lets you 
 engage in all your favorite activities - bashing Barry, 
 bashing Xexo, bashing Share, bashing me, mind reading, 
 and most of all, defending (IYO) the ultimate
 hero, R.W. Carlsen.
 
 You've been waiting a couple weeks for this kind of 
 action.

You've seen her photo. It's the only kind of action
she's likely ever to get.  :-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies

[Susan]

 
 unable to discern the difference between the Real Deal and 
 lesser and possibly harmful crap (ie Robin Carlson, etc). 
 Second, there is value in sticking with a single path and not 
 diluting it with other ways and creating a mishmash of 
 approaches. Third, the TMO and MMY would suffer if the public 
 noticed that TM'ers were still looking for help to solve 
 their own issues or to find a better Master.  Fourth, a 
 belief that TM was the best way and pretty much the only way 
 to enlightenment.


Yes the [TM sufficiency articles] held by the tru-believers, 
except clearly the meditating movement does not believe or hold 
them as articles of faith like our TM-taliban does.  We got a 
problem with a few ultra-preservationist meditators in the 
middle of everything holding the Meissner Effect [ME] and the 
Dome meditation hostage with their own faith about things.
-Buck in the Dome
 
 Now, whatever of the above points might be true, or not,  
 things are different in  this day and age it is a fact that 
 people will easily be able to look at other methods to 
 meditate, calm themselves, or evolve.  To assume that once a 
 person learns TM they will never be curious about another 
 program or teacher or saint is ludicrous. And so is the 
 assumption that they should be excluded from the good graces 
 of the TMO if they do widen their horizons.The TMO has to 
 make a decision soon: to continue to strictly follow MMYs 
 policy from about 1970, or to soften up and realize how 
 different our world is now and how infantalizing the old 
 policy is. 
 
  How simple it would be to just scrap the whole department 
 that deals with the blacklisting and gatekeeping.  Just say 
 the Domes are only for the practice of TM and TMSP, but all 
 who agree to do this are welcome. Welcome back.
 
 Everyone around the Prime Minister is saying they are only 
 waiting for the guy to die to resolve the conflict.  However 
 in mediation let us hope for a communal peace and 
 reconciliation in a large group meditation before then.  
  -Buck
  
    
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson 
   mjackson74@ wrote:
   
what you fail to take into consideration is that your 
Taliban-like leaders took their cue from Marshy himself 
and that YEARS of TM, TMSP, rounding, and being around 
Marshy has led them to this pass - draw - my suggestion 
is get out before you waste anymore time, effort, 
energy and money. 

   
   
   Son, what I truly wish is for moderation to return to the 
   Country of Global Peace. This is my only wish. Extremism 
   pains me greatly. We have suffered many blows as a result 
   of extremism.
   -Buck
   


Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's  Anti-Saint 
Policies



  

Repealing TM's  Anti-Saint Policies

Urgently A  'repeal movement' is clearly needed now to 
save the TM movement.  A repeal of the anti-saint 
policies if only to sustain a meditation group for the 
Dome meditation numbers.  A meditation without fear.  
The TM movement's anti-saint policies have long bred 
hypocrisy and contempt for the movement and its 
leadership inside and outside the meditating community. 
 We need only look at the decades  long slide in 
numbers meditating or the Dome meditation numbers.  
They are down and it is an uphill fight to get numbers 
back against the hard-heads on top.  Simply to save the 
Dome numbers meditating there needs to come along a 
flat out repeal movement against these Dome policies.  
The Dome policies and guidelines have clearly failed to 
sustain our numbers and it is time and has become our 
larger responsibility to change those guidelines with 
repeal.  The Taliban-like leaders of the movement with 
their anti-saint policies have made for a TM movement of
 corruption, liars and hypocrites.  More than 
reforming, the time is come for the repeal of the 
anti-saint polices to save the Dome meditating program; 
Repeal now the anti-saint guidelines to save the Dome 
numbers.  The saints are returning soon again.  It is a 
fact of life.  Repeal the TM

[FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies

[Ann]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote:
 
  snip more Judyposturing 
  Plus which, from the very beginning of Robin's tenure
  on FFL, Barry has been eaten alive by jealousy because
  Robin has gotten so much more attention than Barry has.
 
 Methinks the lady doth project too much. :-)
 
 That's what SHE is here on FFL. And she's so limited 
 in her thinking that she believes that's why others 
 are here, too. 

This reminds me of second grade when one's most witty comeback to some verbal 
slight would be, I know you are but what am I? over and over again.
 
 We ARE talking, after all, about the person that the
 Posting Limits were invented FOR. One of the reasons
 she's so obsessed with me is that I was the one who
 first brought up her tendency to write literally
 *hundreds* of posts, flooding this forum with post
 after post after post after post after post, week
 after week after week, month after month after month,
 trying desperately to be *the* focus of attention 
 through sheer numbers and sheer volume of vitriol. 

I don't know Barry, when anyone posts old links to 'historical conversations' 
between you and others, not only here but on other forums, there appears to be 
a wake of vitriol, hurled insults, plenty of libel related to purported 
demented psychological conditions of not only yourself but those you comment 
about. The flotsam and jetsam of unpleasantries litter the ether like the 
garbage spewn into space by so many space missions and dead satellites. You can 
certainly hold your head high when it comes to owning up to your share of 
internet detritus.
 
 Rick caught a clue from my comments (and those of 
 many others, including many who had left the forum 
 because of her) and took that obsessive-compulsive, 
 attention-seeking, stuck-at-home-with-nothing-else-
 to-do advantage away from her. He limited her to the 
 same amount of posts that everyone else gets to make. 
 She's been on an insane crusade to get Barry ever
 since, even more than she was before. 

Yes, yes, Barry, it has been and always will be about you - don't worry.
 
 Being deprived of her primary -- and very possibly
 *only* -- mechanism for getting attention was the 
 biggest defeat she ever suffered, and Judy Stein 
 doth not suffer defeat lightly. 

I know you see typing on the internet as a do or die, win or lose proposition 
but for many others it is an entertaining (and at best a stimulating) 
opportunity to explore ideas and learn more about the human race. It is hardly 
a place akin to some great battlefield where lives are surrendered to some deep 
spiritual ideal or where one has the potential to emerge victorious or end up 
receiving a Green Beret (although, given where you live, a beret, green or 
otherwise,  might make you appear jaunty and oh so French).
 
 That's one way of looking at the situation. There
 are others. Maybe she just argues compulsively 
 and stalks her enemies because that's all she CAN 
 do, and the attention-seeking is way of hiding her
 inability to write anything creative or original. 
 Who really knows.

Who knows and who cares other than you? But as you seem to have made this your 
life's mission to think endlessly and write for years and years about this you 
go boy. Just let me know when you have come up with the definitive answer. 
 
 All I know is that after all these years it's
 still fun to dash off a post that I know in advance
 will push her over the edge and inspire her to pour
 out more vitriol than usual. Last night's short
 mention of Robin worked like a charm in that regard. :-)

Well then, you are both, evidently, happy. You have been rewarded, you are 
content, she responded exactly how you wanted her to (although I don't see it) 
and it gave you another opportunity to repeat yourself for the umpteenth time. 
What I don't get is why you complain about her - she appears to be your reason 
for living.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies

[Richard J. Williams]

  you spend a lot more time on TM, than most of us 
  do, who actually practice it! 
  
nablusoss: 
 How can a person who left something, anything, more 
 than 40 (!) years ago keep obsessing and still claim 
 to be sane ?

It's has a lot to do with being lonely. There's nothing
quite so lonely as an expat, especially for someone
experiencing a lot of cognitive dissonance. LoL!

There you are, sitting there, looking like a nerd or a 
geek, with your black T-shirt on and your Toshiba open
on your lap, and nobody talks to you because you don't 
even understand their language, much less to follow 
your thought patterns on a spiritual path. 

So, some people just feel better when they have someone 
to talk to. It's that simple.

Just think, you're making Barry and MJ feel better just 
by responding to them. But, why do most of MJ's posts
begin and end on one single line and all begin with RE:

Go figure. 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote:
 
  snip more Judyposturing

Translation: I'm going to snip the bitch's humiliating
demolition of all the crap I made up about Robin that I
was so proud of and make up an even bigger load of crap
about *her*. That'll show everybody I don't give a shit
that she makes me look like a fool, right? Right??

 
  Plus which, from the very beginning of Robin's tenure
  on FFL, Barry has been eaten alive by jealousy because
  Robin has gotten so much more attention than Barry has.
 
 Methinks the lady doth project too much. :-)
 
 That's what SHE is here on FFL. And she's so limited 
 in her thinking that she believes that's why others 
 are here, too. 
 
 We ARE talking, after all, about the person that the
 Posting Limits were invented FOR. One of the reasons
 she's so obsessed with me is that I was the one who
 first brought up her tendency to write literally
 *hundreds* of posts, flooding this forum with post
 after post after post after post after post, week
 after week after week, month after month after month,
 trying desperately to be *the* focus of attention 
 through sheer numbers and sheer volume of vitriol. 
 
 Rick caught a clue from my comments (and those of 
 many others, including many who had left the forum 
 because of her) and took that obsessive-compulsive, 
 attention-seeking, stuck-at-home-with-nothing-else-
 to-do advantage away from her. He limited her to the 
 same amount of posts that everyone else gets to make. 
 She's been on an insane crusade to get Barry ever
 since, even more than she was before. 
 
 Being deprived of her primary -- and very possibly
 *only* -- mechanism for getting attention was the 
 biggest defeat she ever suffered, and Judy Stein 
 doth not suffer defeat lightly. 
 
 That's one way of looking at the situation. There
 are others. Maybe she just argues compulsively 
 and stalks her enemies because that's all she CAN 
 do, and the attention-seeking is way of hiding her
 inability to write anything creative or original. 
 Who really knows.
 
 All I know is that after all these years it's
 still fun to dash off a post that I know in advance
 will push her over the edge and inspire her to pour
 out more vitriol than usual. Last night's short
 mention of Robin worked like a charm in that regard. :-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote:

 
 The large threat here to the work of the Meissner Effect in the Domes is not 
 saints but the administrative *prohibition* around sitting with them. That TM 
 anti-saint policy has made hypocrites of everyone, even of Guru Dev who 
 consuls people specifically to seek the company of saints, mahatmas and wise 
 people.  It is time to repeal the TM Anti-saint policies.  Just git rid of 
 those gnarly old TM sentiments and policy and just stop using it as 
 punishment to create fugitive meditators. That policy has been the ruination 
 of our Dome numbers here the way it has worked on the community.  For the 
 affect that there could have been had all these years had there been a 
 properly numbered Meissner Effect except for the enforcement of the TM 
 anti-saint policies has been a crime against humanity. 

Buck please have a checking 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies

[Michael Jackson]

ha ha ha ha ha! Buck finally got a rise out of Nabby!!!





 From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 10:26 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's  Anti-Saint Policies
 


  


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote:

 
 The large threat here to the work of the Meissner Effect in the Domes is not 
 saints but the administrative *prohibition* around sitting with them. That TM 
 anti-saint policy has made hypocrites of everyone, even of Guru Dev who 
 consuls people specifically to seek the company of saints, mahatmas and wise 
 people.  It is time to repeal the TM Anti-saint policies.  Just git rid of 
 those gnarly old TM sentiments and policy and just stop using it as 
 punishment to create fugitive meditators. That policy has been the ruination 
 of our Dome numbers here the way it has worked on the community.  For the 
 affect that there could have been had all these years had there been a 
 properly numbered Meissner Effect except for the enforcement of the TM 
 anti-saint policies has been a crime against humanity. 

Buck please have a checking 


 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies

[seventhray27]

would that be like the hard on you have for Maharishi several times a
day?


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote:

 ha ha ha ha ha! Buck finally got a rise out of Nabby!!!




 
 From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 10:26 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies



 Â


 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote:
 
 
  The large threat here to the work of the Meissner Effect in the
Domes is not saints but the administrative *prohibition* around sitting
with them. That TM anti-saint policy has made hypocrites of everyone,
even of Guru Dev who consuls people specifically to seek the company of
saints, mahatmas and wise people. It is time to repeal the TM
Anti-saint policies. Just git rid of those gnarly old TM sentiments and
policy and just stop using it as punishment to create fugitive
meditators. That policy has been the ruination of our Dome numbers here
the way it has worked on the community. For the affect that there could
have been had all these years had there been a properly numbered
Meissner Effect except for the enforcement of the TM anti-saint policies
has been a crime against humanity.

 Buck please have a checking

[FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies

[obbajeeba]

Michael's and Nabby's Hard on gave me the chance to see Buck's plightful 
speech, below. 
Fugitive meditators, are being created, and see above, it extends there also. 
We need unity. The domes were meant to hold thousands of Sidhas together at the 
same time, sitting meditating, with our eyes closed, with the occasional peek 
at the shuffling pillow or foot across the way. Still, stillness of stagnant 
air, is what the DOMES were not built for. Numbers of Sidhas currently in the 
DOMES, are like the teeth in a jack-o-lantern these days!
Fill this void with the hard evidence! (Ann, this was not meant to be naughty, 
it only sounds like it.)  
Drop Dad's belt and bring back the Saints!

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@... wrote:

 
 would that be like the hard on you have for Maharishi several times a
 day?
 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote:
 
  ha ha ha ha ha! Buck finally got a rise out of Nabby!!!
 
 
 
 
  
  From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 10:26 PM
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies
 
 
 
  Â
 
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote:
  
  
   The large threat here to the work of the Meissner Effect in the
 Domes is not saints but the administrative *prohibition* around sitting
 with them. That TM anti-saint policy has made hypocrites of everyone,
 even of Guru Dev who consuls people specifically to seek the company of
 saints, mahatmas and wise people. It is time to repeal the TM
 Anti-saint policies. Just git rid of those gnarly old TM sentiments and
 policy and just stop using it as punishment to create fugitive
 meditators. That policy has been the ruination of our Dome numbers here
 the way it has worked on the community. For the affect that there could
 have been had all these years had there been a properly numbered
 Meissner Effect except for the enforcement of the TM anti-saint policies
 has been a crime against humanity.
 
  Buck please have a checking
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies

[sparaig]

Are y ou saying that he [Robin] never gave advice on how to modify TM-Sidhis 
practice to his followers, who then showed up to practice with everyone else?

LM

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote:
[...]
 I'm not sugar coating it, I'm saying Robin and his group
 were an anomaly that simply doesn't fit neatly into your
 classification of reasons why Maharishi forbid looking
 elsewhere. Robin wasn't elsewhere in that sense; to the
 contrary. He was out there, definitely, but he was devoted
 heart and soul to Maharishi and his teaching.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies

[Share Long]

Share to Judy about her criticism of Susan: Judy I don't think your criticism 
of Susan is valid because for all anyone knows, Robin is not around only in the 
sense that he currently is not posting. However, for all we know, he may be 
around in the sense that he reads FFL posts. In either case, it is his choice. 
Additionally your criticism is valid only if Robin is unwillingly not around to 
defend himself and if Susan knows about this. Is he incapacitated in some way? 
Has he been banned from FFL? And do you know for a fact that Susan knows either 
for a fact? In that case, your criticism would be valid. And worth respecting. 

Judy to Susan: now you're badmouthing him when he's not around to defend 
himself. That is not a behavior for which I have much respect.





 From: authfriend authfri...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2013 4:02 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's  Anti-Saint Policies
 


  
Susan, I can only repeat: You did not know what Robin
was about, because the MIU biggies did not want you to
know what he was about. You even let yourself be
convinced that he wasn't devoted to Maharishi and his
teaching, when that simply was not the case.

You went along with what *they* told you even though
they were protecting you in the way you yourself have
been eloquently objecting to recently. 

Robin was sui generis and should not be used as an
example in this context. That would be a travesty,
for the reasons I've outlined. There are plenty of
others you could have used as examples instead.

You made it clear while Robin was here that you didn't
trust him because you had trouble following what he
wrote, and now you're badmouthing him when he's not
around to defend himself. That is not a behavior for
which I have much respect.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@... wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@ wrote:
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@ wrote:
(snip)
 From what I recall, there were 4 reasons MMY forbid looking 
 elsewhere:  First, to protect people from getting sidetracked
 from the TM path and onto a flashier but less evolutionary
 method. The assumption here was that TMers were in many cases
 unable to discern the difference between the Real Deal and
 lesser and possibly harmful crap (ie Robin Carlson, etc).

(Carlsen.)

Wayback, since you are obviously not that familiar with
Robin's deal, you probably shouldn't use him as an
example.

Without going into a long dissertation, possibly the most
important thing to know in this context is that according
to Peter Sutphen, Bevan said Maharishi had ordered him,
Bevan, to leave Robin alone when Robin showed up at MIU
with his group. Bevan ignored Maharishi's instruction,
and a big public mess was the result.

Robin and his followers were completely dedicated to
Maharishi. Maharishi had kept his eye on Robin when he
was teaching in Canada (at that point most of his
group were TM initiators) but never interfered.

Bottom line, Robin was an anomaly, not an example of
the lesser and possibly harmful crap Maharishi wanted
to protect TMers from.
   
   I disagree.  I was around exactly when Robin was in full cry
   and while I never went to hear him (and would not have bothered
   to being at the time a fairly loyal Tm teacher) I heard from
   others I trusted how odd the whole thing was. Whatever we have 
   heard that MMY supposedly told Bevan, there is more to the
   story.
  
  Well, when you find out what more there was, do let us
  know. I'm just telling you what Peter said here that
  Bevan told him, and Peter is pretty reliable. Perhaps you
  can straighten it out with him.
  
  And as I mentioned, there's also the fact that while
  Maharishi kept tabs on Robin and his group of TM
  initiators in Canada, Maharishi never interfered, so it
  appears Maharishi didn't think any protection was
  required.
 
 The fact that MMY did not interfere says nothing about whether he felt 
 Robin's followers needed protecting. 
  
   It was not benign from what I heard from friends at that very
   time.  People OTP or even somewhat devoted to MMY did NOT go
   and see or follow Robin.  (Whether it is good to be OTP is a
   whole other discussion). Robin and his group were not
   considered at all to be devoted to MMY.
  
  That may be, but those doing the considering were simply
  uninformed (or misinformed) on that point. Even after
  Maharishi had to disown Robin in the court case Bevan
  instigated, and Robin and his group had to leave town,
  Robin remained loyal to Maharishi for at least a couple
  of years (not sure of the exact time frame

[FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote:

 Are y ou saying that he [Robin] never gave advice on how to modify TM-Sidhis 
 practice to his followers, who then showed up to practice with everyone else?

If that's the case we have another very good reason to keep the badge-and 
access rules as they are. 
Buck, are you reading this :-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies

[turquoiseb]

Not to *mention* the fact that Judy has *never* been
involved with the TM organization, wouldn't know what
happened or didn't happen in Fairfield on a bet, has
never met *either* Maharishi or Robin, and her opinion 
of Robin is based almost *entirely* on what *he* has 
posted here. Funny how she has a tendency to find 
those who rag on and obsess on the same people she 
does believable, eh? That must be her standard for
trustworthiness.  :-)

Plus, there is another thing she seems to take for
granted that others here do not. She assumes that Robin
would either want to or need to defend himself against
people stating views of him contrary to his own. He
might (another reason she's his groupie, because that
makes him just like her), but many people Just Don't
Give A Shit. 

WHO could possibly care, after all, what pissants like
Judy and her minions think of them? They're pissants,
and the opinions of pissants Simply Don't Matter. 


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote:

 Share to Judy about her criticism of Susan: Judy I don't think your criticism 
 of Susan is valid because for all anyone knows, Robin is not around only in 
 the sense that he currently is not posting. However, for all we know, he may 
 be around in the sense that he reads FFL posts. In either case, it is his 
 choice. Additionally your criticism is valid only if Robin is unwillingly not 
 around to defend himself and if Susan knows about this. Is he incapacitated 
 in some way? Has he been banned from FFL? And do you know for a fact that 
 Susan knows either for a fact? In that case, your criticism would be valid. 
 And worth respecting. 
 
 Judy to Susan: now you're badmouthing him when he's not around to defend 
 himself. That is not a behavior for which I have much respect.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies

[doctordumbass]

Actually much more pathetic to have QUIT TM OVER 40 YEARS AGO, and yet, still 
remain obsessed with who does it, and for how long, and how it is now being 
marketed, and who Maharishi was, or wasn't, and your opinion on those in the TM 
Org, and how the sidhis work, and what they do or do not do, etc, etc, etc. 

Fuck dude, you spend a lot more time on TM, than most of us do, who actually 
practice it! 

Its a really odd thing, this addiction of yours, to something you haven't done 
for most of your life. You are unique in that way. Among  anyone I have ever 
known, or met, or taught in class, or spoke with on a plane, or had a 
conversation with at a party, or at work, or written to, I have NEVER MET 
someone with an obsession like yours, who had nothing whatsoever to do with the 
object of their obsession. I have never seen this behavior before. 

As a result, I am really glad you live on a different continent, than I do. :-)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote:

 Not to *mention* the fact that Judy has *never* been
 involved with the TM organization, 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies

[Richard J. Williams]

turquoiseb:
 Not to *mention* the fact that Judy has *never* been
 involved with the TM organization, 

This would be a plus, if what you've posted so far,
is true about the 'brainwashing' of cult leaders. It
has already been established that you were a leader 
in at least two major cults over a period of 24 yrs.

Apparently you've been a TB for some time, but now
you're in cognitive dissonance, even denial. It helps
some people to have someone to talk to - you should 
be thankful to Judy that  she would take the time to
try and help you with your problems.

 wouldn't know what
 happened or didn't happen in Fairfield on a bet, 

How much would you be willing to wager? You've never
been to Fairfield either - Judy could have spies 
there, reporting back to her on a daily  basis. There
are at least four Fairfield informants on this list,
not counting the founder, Rick, who seems to know
everyone and everything that's going on.

From what I've read, nobody from the rank and file
know what's going on inside the TMO, including the
residents of Fairfield.
 
 
 has
 never met *either* Maharishi or Robin, and her opinion 
 of Robin is based almost *entirely* on what *he* has 
 posted here. Funny how she has a tendency to find 
 those who rag on and obsess on the same people she 
 does believable, eh? That must be her standard for
 trustworthiness.  :-)
 
So, it's all about Judy.

 Plus, there is another thing she seems to take for
 granted that others here do not. She assumes that Robin
 would either want to or need to defend himself against
 people stating views of him contrary to his own. He
 might (another reason she's his groupie, because that
 makes him just like her), but many people Just Don't
 Give A Shit. 

You're the only one, so far, that cares what happens to
Judy and Robin. LoL!

 WHO could possibly care, after all, what pissants like
 Judy and her minions think of them? They're pissants,
 and the opinions of pissants Simply Don't Matter. 

So, Judy is now the leader of the internet TMers, which 
is what you want to be. Go figure. 

 
Share Long:
  Share to Judy about her criticism of Susan: Judy I don't think your 
  criticism of Susan is valid because for all anyone knows, Robin is not 
  around only in the sense that he currently is not posting. However, for all 
  we know, he may be around in the sense that he reads FFL posts. In either 
  case, it is his choice. Additionally your criticism is valid only if Robin 
  is unwillingly not around to defend himself and if Susan knows about this. 
  Is he incapacitated in some way? Has he been banned from FFL? And do you 
  know for a fact that Susan knows either for a fact? In that case, your 
  criticism would be valid. And worth respecting. 
  
  Judy to Susan: now you're badmouthing him when he's not around to defend 
  himself. That is not a behavior for which I have much respect.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies

[feste37]

That was tried for a while. There was an alternative flying hall set up in the 
Tetra building for those who didn't want to go to the dome or were not allowed 
in. They used to fly at the same time as in the dome, less than a half a mile 
away. It lasted for a while but I don't think it's still going on. The 
problem with dome numbers is not so much with people who have been banned, 
but the fact that a large number of eligible people simply no longer want to 
go. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen drpsutphen@... wrote:

 Well, if you really want to resolve this you simply build your own dome or 
 flying hall. A master never releases his slave. The slave decides to no 
 longer be a slave. To think that the TMO is ever going to change its position 
 is a waste of time. Those people are simply lost in their own minds. If they 
 ever experienced the fruit of TM/TMSP they would be free. But they very 
 clearly don't , so they continue to rule in their fiefdom of thought.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies

[doctordumbass]

I don't know, and you don't either, what the rationale behind the not some 
saints policy, is. As much as we enjoy seeing these TMO people as a bunch of 
power hungry bureaucrats, they are also responsible for how Maharishi's 
policies are to be be maintained, or modified.

The TMO is anything but a charismatic organization, left to freewheel about the 
vague sayings of its founder. Maharishi was pretty specific about how TM and 
the TMSP are taught, and practiced.

Obviously some are going to abuse their power, as in any organization,   though 
I also recognize the significant responsibility those in the TMO feel, to 
uphold Maharishi's legacy.

I do agree with you that trying to effect change in the Dome policies, by 
writing posts to FFL, will not accomplish much.  

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen drpsutphen@... wrote:

 Well, if you really want to resolve this you simply build your own dome or 
 flying hall. A master never releases his slave. The slave decides to no 
 longer be a slave. To think that the TMO is ever going to change its position 
 is a waste of time. Those people are simply lost in their own minds. If they 
 ever experienced the fruit of TM/TMSP they would be free. But they very 
 clearly don't , so they continue to rule in their fiefdom of thought.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote:

 Are y ou saying that he [Robin] never gave advice on how to
 modify TM-Sidhis practice to his followers, who then showed
 up to practice with everyone else?

I believe if you read my posts on this, Lawson, you'll
find that I didn't say anything as specific as that.
Please don't put words in my mouth.

But whatever Robin did, he fully expected that Maharishi
would approve, right up until the moment the recording
of Maharishi's responses to the questions Robin had posed
to him was played in court.

I used the terms anomaly and sui generis to describe
Robin's activities in Fairfield for a reason.





 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote:
 [...]
  I'm not sugar coating it, I'm saying Robin and his group
  were an anomaly that simply doesn't fit neatly into your
  classification of reasons why Maharishi forbid looking
  elsewhere. Robin wasn't elsewhere in that sense; to the
  contrary. He was out there, definitely, but he was devoted
  heart and soul to Maharishi and his teaching.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies

[obbajeeba]

If I had known about a no Saints policy before learning TM, honestly, that 
type of control would have steered me far away from learning TM, absolutely.  
Hindsight, when I was innocent to some of these ridicules requirements, such as 
that, I would appreciated hearing from others what is going to be expected, 
of one to use and do a stress reduction, technique, and pay for it on top of 
that!

Nothing is wrong with teaching and sharing and a fair exchange of goods for 
services.
It is all the stupid requirements that make it look like a cult. 
Just teach the technique and stop trying to use the word, unstressing, for 
everyone who does not kowtow to what was not up front in the first place. 
Requirements for further participation in other or extended or advanced 
programs, for stress reduction (using a mantra that is not to be attached to) 
is insane.

I like to meditate, just get off my back on what I am doing wrong (if there is 
such a thing.) if one wishes to gather a lifetime of concept and reality to 
knowledge meant to help someone evolutionary as proof something is working!

Do not mind. 
 He/she is just unstressing.  
 Oh, no you can't do this or you can't do that, blah, blah, blah.

For if not the best reason to overlook such ridicules policies, I have met a 
lot of really great people who wish to pursue the betterment of their well 
being as I wish to continue to do for the rest of my life.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... no_reply@... wrote:

 I don't know, and you don't either, what the rationale behind the not some 
 saints policy, is. As much as we enjoy seeing these TMO people as a bunch of 
 power hungry bureaucrats, they are also responsible for how Maharishi's 
 policies are to be be maintained, or modified.
 
 The TMO is anything but a charismatic organization, left to freewheel about 
 the vague sayings of its founder. Maharishi was pretty specific about how TM 
 and the TMSP are taught, and practiced.
 
 Obviously some are going to abuse their power, as in any organization,   
 though I also recognize the significant responsibility those in the TMO feel, 
 to uphold Maharishi's legacy.
 
 I do agree with you that trying to effect change in the Dome policies, by 
 writing posts to FFL, will not accomplish much.  
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen drpsutphen@ wrote:
 
  Well, if you really want to resolve this you simply build your own dome or 
  flying hall. A master never releases his slave. The slave decides to no 
  longer be a slave. To think that the TMO is ever going to change its 
  position is a waste of time. Those people are simply lost in their own 
  minds. If they ever experienced the fruit of TM/TMSP they would be free. 
  But they very clearly don't , so they continue to rule in their fiefdom of 
  thought.
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies

[authfriend]

Judy to Share about her criticism of my criticism of
Susan:

LOL.

I'm sure Susan is grateful for your oh-so-insightful
analysis. It's entirely understandable why you would
want to defend the idea that it's perfectly OK to
talk about someone behind their back, as it were.

I could be wrong, but I think most people feel that
the ethical thing to do is to assume a person who is
not posting is also not reading, and that they would
appreciate the chance to respond to criticism.

I seriously doubt Robin has been banned from FFL.
Perhaps Alex could tell us. Such a friendly
suggestion, Share.





--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote:

 Share to Judy about her criticism of Susan: Judy I don't think your criticism 
 of Susan is valid because for all anyone knows, Robin is not around only in 
 the sense that he currently is not posting. However, for all we know, he may 
 be around in the sense that he reads FFL posts. In either case, it is his 
 choice. Additionally your criticism is valid only if Robin is unwillingly not 
 around to defend himself and if Susan knows about this. Is he incapacitated 
 in some way? Has he been banned from FFL? And do you know for a fact that 
 Susan knows either for a fact? In that case, your criticism would be valid. 
 And worth respecting. 
 
 Judy to Susan: now you're badmouthing him when he's not around to defend 
 himself. That is not a behavior for which I have much respect.
 
 
 
 
 
  From: authfriend authfriend@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2013 4:02 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's  Anti-Saint Policies
  
 
 
   
 Susan, I can only repeat: You did not know what Robin
 was about, because the MIU biggies did not want you to
 know what he was about. You even let yourself be
 convinced that he wasn't devoted to Maharishi and his
 teaching, when that simply was not the case.
 
 You went along with what *they* told you even though
 they were protecting you in the way you yourself have
 been eloquently objecting to recently. 
 
 Robin was sui generis and should not be used as an
 example in this context. That would be a travesty,
 for the reasons I've outlined. There are plenty of
 others you could have used as examples instead.
 
 You made it clear while Robin was here that you didn't
 trust him because you had trouble following what he
 wrote, and now you're badmouthing him when he's not
 around to defend himself. That is not a behavior for
 which I have much respect.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies

[salyavin808]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... no_reply@... wrote:

 I don't know, and you don't either, what the rationale behind the not some 
 saints policy, is. As much as we enjoy seeing these TMO people as a bunch of 
 power hungry bureaucrats, they are also responsible for how Maharishi's 
 policies are to be be maintained, or modified.
 
 The TMO is anything but a charismatic organization, left to freewheel about 
 the vague sayings of its founder. Maharishi was pretty specific about how TM 
 and the TMSP are taught, and practiced.
 
 Obviously some are going to abuse their power, as in any organization,   
 though I also recognize the significant responsibility those in the TMO feel, 
 to uphold Maharishi's legacy.
 
 I do agree with you that trying to effect change in the Dome policies, by 
 writing posts to FFL, will not accomplish much.  
 

It will accomplish the opposite. Any TM gov reading these pleas 
will conclude you are a bunch of whining, ungrateful, unstressers.

They will think that all that Marshy did for you is being undermined
by a bunch of selfish, daydreamers who don't know when they are 
onto a good thing. The *best* thing. And worse that you are happy
to insist that everybody who sticks to programme rules has to put 
up with you bringing in new techniques or your own confused consciousness into 
the purity of the domes. 

Get real guys. You either want to be in the TMO or you don't,
you can't make your own rules up about what goes on in Marshy's
house, especially if it's going to annoy other people who are
already inside. Bevan and co are the devoted protectors of what
Marshy taught them, why should they drop their and the guru's
standards just to please you?

In the UK, if you want to join the community in Skelmersdale
you have to watch a tape where the head of the UK movement
states as clearly as possible that they are quite happy for
people to experiment with other techniques or see other teachers,
just don't do it there. I agree with it, decide which boat
you are in or you'll end up trying to go in two directions at
once. Which never works.

The TMO is a dictatorship, it isn't a democracy as it's considered
that you are too unenlightened to make good decisions about things like this, 
*especially* when rounding. The idea is that Marshy has done all the thinking 
and made all the decisions for you so you can relax and get on with your 
evolution in peace. Easy huh?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies

[obbajeeba]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote:
 
  I don't know, and you don't either, what the rationale behind the not some 
  saints policy, is. As much as we enjoy seeing these TMO people as a bunch 
  of power hungry bureaucrats, they are also responsible for how Maharishi's 
  policies are to be be maintained, or modified.
  
  The TMO is anything but a charismatic organization, left to freewheel about 
  the vague sayings of its founder. Maharishi was pretty specific about how 
  TM and the TMSP are taught, and practiced.
  
  Obviously some are going to abuse their power, as in any organization,   
  though I also recognize the significant responsibility those in the TMO 
  feel, to uphold Maharishi's legacy.
  
  I do agree with you that trying to effect change in the Dome policies, by 
  writing posts to FFL, will not accomplish much.  
  
 
 It will accomplish the opposite. Any TM gov reading these pleas 
 will conclude you are a bunch of whining, ungrateful, unstressers.
 
 They will think that all that Marshy did for you is being undermined
 by a bunch of selfish, daydreamers who don't know when they are 
 onto a good thing. The *best* thing. And worse that you are happy
 to insist that everybody who sticks to programme rules has to put 
 up with you bringing in new techniques or your own confused consciousness 
 into the purity of the domes. 
 
 Get real guys. You either want to be in the TMO or you don't,
 you can't make your own rules up about what goes on in Marshy's
 house, especially if it's going to annoy other people who are
 already inside. Bevan and co are the devoted protectors of what
 Marshy taught them, why should they drop their and the guru's
 standards just to please you?


because the money is dwindling?
because the fulfillment is to create heaven on earth?
Looks like a good reasons to me!
Has not there been trouble with a large continued donation, recently?
Donating a 100 million can start chiseling at the accounting books of 
billionaires? 


 
 In the UK, if you want to join the community in Skelmersdale
 you have to watch a tape where the head of the UK movement
 states as clearly as possible that they are quite happy for
 people to experiment with other techniques or see other teachers,
 just don't do it there. I agree with it, decide which boat
 you are in or you'll end up trying to go in two directions at
 once. Which never works.
 

Life is a one way street and all that encompasses this journey and brings 
happiness to the self and those who you wish around you, this is all the same 
direction!
Like saying one should only speak English and not learn Japanese, French, 
Italian, Hindi?because it MIGHT confuse a child learning?
Math and dance do not coexist?
Painting and Poetry are two different mediums of expression, so stick to only 
one?
Cigarettes and coffee and bunches of donuts and saints do not mix?
Hari Krishnas and Parmahansa Yogananda and the Marshy are not to be gathered 
together in thought, unless one is a wealthy donor, muscian, movie star, 
politician?  Bhahahaha!

 The TMO is a dictatorship, it isn't a democracy as it's considered
 that you are too unenlightened to make good decisions about things like this, 
 *especially* when rounding. The idea is that Marshy has done all the thinking 
 and made all the decisions for you so you can relax and get on with your 
 evolution in peace. Easy huh?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies

[doctordumbass]

Graciously and joyfully, I am not a slave to anything. However, I don't think 
the issue is as black and white as you, and many others, are making it. There 
remains a legitimate need to continue with Maharishi's programs, and decisions 
must be made on how to do that. I am glad I was not attracted to the big frog, 
small pond scenario, that glues many in any organization to its power, and 
equally happy that I am not responsible for making such decisions.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen drpsutphen@... wrote:

 The antisaint policy is based in power and control as far as the TMO is 
 concerned. If you want to be a slave to it and defer your thought process to 
 the metaphysics of fear, then by all means go ahead!.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies

[Share Long]

Judy, you said to Susan: now you're badmouthing him when he's not around to 
defend himself. That is not a behavior for which I have much respect.
My question to Judy remains: do we know for a fact that Robin does not read FFL 
posts? Obviously there is a wide range of how people connect with FFL known 
both directly and indirectly. Directly includes: some post regularly; some post 
sporadically; some take long breaks from posting. Indirectly: when they return, 
some announce that they've been reading posts but not replying for one reason 
or another; some announce that they've not been reading posts for one reason or 
another; some say nothing about this.

The ethical issues in all this are that you accused Susan of doing something 
which you do not prove is happening because you do not prove that Robin is not 
around to defend himself. And you have twisted two points that I made.  


If indeed Robin would appreciate the chance to respond to criticism, as you 
suggest below, then surely he WOULD be reading FFL, or at least occasionally 
archiving on his name if he was concerned about possible criticisms of him.





 From: authfriend authfri...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 9:17 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's  Anti-Saint Policies
 


  
Judy to Share about her criticism of my criticism of
Susan:

LOL.

I'm sure Susan is grateful for your oh-so-insightful
analysis. It's entirely understandable why you would
want to defend the idea that it's perfectly OK to
talk about someone behind their back, as it were.

I could be wrong, but I think most people feel that
the ethical thing to do is to assume a person who is
not posting is also not reading, and that they would
appreciate the chance to respond to criticism.

I seriously doubt Robin has been banned from FFL.
Perhaps Alex could tell us. Such a friendly
suggestion, Share.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote:

 Share to Judy about her criticism of Susan: Judy I don't think your criticism 
 of Susan is valid because for all anyone knows, Robin is not around only in 
 the sense that he currently is not posting. However, for all we know, he may 
 be around in the sense that he reads FFL posts. In either case, it is his 
 choice. Additionally your criticism is valid only if Robin is unwillingly not 
 around to defend himself and if Susan knows about this. Is he incapacitated 
 in some way? Has he been banned from FFL? And do you know for a fact that 
 Susan knows either for a fact? In that case, your criticism would be valid. 
 And worth respecting. 
 
 Judy to Susan: now you're badmouthing him when he's not around to defend 
 himself. That is not a behavior for which I have much respect.
 
 
 
 
 
  From: authfriend authfriend@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2013 4:02 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's  Anti-Saint Policies
 
 
 
   
 Susan, I can only repeat: You did not know what Robin
 was about, because the MIU biggies did not want you to
 know what he was about. You even let yourself be
 convinced that he wasn't devoted to Maharishi and his
 teaching, when that simply was not the case.
 
 You went along with what *they* told you even though
 they were protecting you in the way you yourself have
 been eloquently objecting to recently. 
 
 Robin was sui generis and should not be used as an
 example in this context. That would be a travesty,
 for the reasons I've outlined. There are plenty of
 others you could have used as examples instead.
 
 You made it clear while Robin was here that you didn't
 trust him because you had trouble following what he
 wrote, and now you're badmouthing him when he's not
 around to defend himself. That is not a behavior for
 which I have much respect.


 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies

[doctordumbass]

Yep, I have not yet found an organization that is a democracy. I used to 
describe business structures as benevolent dictatorships, which they are. 
Despite the oft stated open door policy in many organizations, the only thing 
open door about walking into the boss's office and laying out your 
complaints, is the one waiting for you, out of the company, once you have 
finished your expressions of concern.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote:
 
  I don't know, and you don't either, what the rationale behind the not some 
  saints policy, is. As much as we enjoy seeing these TMO people as a bunch 
  of power hungry bureaucrats, they are also responsible for how Maharishi's 
  policies are to be be maintained, or modified.
  
  The TMO is anything but a charismatic organization, left to freewheel about 
  the vague sayings of its founder. Maharishi was pretty specific about how 
  TM and the TMSP are taught, and practiced.
  
  Obviously some are going to abuse their power, as in any organization,   
  though I also recognize the significant responsibility those in the TMO 
  feel, to uphold Maharishi's legacy.
  
  I do agree with you that trying to effect change in the Dome policies, by 
  writing posts to FFL, will not accomplish much.  
  
 
 It will accomplish the opposite. Any TM gov reading these pleas 
 will conclude you are a bunch of whining, ungrateful, unstressers.
 
 They will think that all that Marshy did for you is being undermined
 by a bunch of selfish, daydreamers who don't know when they are 
 onto a good thing. The *best* thing. And worse that you are happy
 to insist that everybody who sticks to programme rules has to put 
 up with you bringing in new techniques or your own confused consciousness 
 into the purity of the domes. 
 
 Get real guys. You either want to be in the TMO or you don't,
 you can't make your own rules up about what goes on in Marshy's
 house, especially if it's going to annoy other people who are
 already inside. Bevan and co are the devoted protectors of what
 Marshy taught them, why should they drop their and the guru's
 standards just to please you?
 
 In the UK, if you want to join the community in Skelmersdale
 you have to watch a tape where the head of the UK movement
 states as clearly as possible that they are quite happy for
 people to experiment with other techniques or see other teachers,
 just don't do it there. I agree with it, decide which boat
 you are in or you'll end up trying to go in two directions at
 once. Which never works.
 
 The TMO is a dictatorship, it isn't a democracy as it's considered
 that you are too unenlightened to make good decisions about things like this, 
 *especially* when rounding. The idea is that Marshy has done all the thinking 
 and made all the decisions for you so you can relax and get on with your 
 evolution in peace. Easy huh?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies

[authfriend]

Actually, yes, I've always found Robin completely
believable. Never have seen anything in his posts
that made me suspect he might be dishonest. And as
some here will recognize, my antennae for dishonesty
are very sensitive.

(One of the things that made Barry so nervous about
Robin was that Barry had such difficulty discerning
when Robin was being ironic.)

Robin's posts are not my only sources of information
about what happened when he was in Fairfield, BTW.

As far as defending oneself is concerned, I explained
my stance on the ethics of badmouthing a person behind
their back to Share. That isn't something Barry is
capable of understanding, I'm afraid. But then neither
is Share.

Why Barry would think any of the facts he mentions
(not all of them are, in fact, facts) should have
anything to do with what I said to Susan about Robin
will have to remain a mystery. They look more like a
random collection of badly aimed potshots than
relevant comments.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote:

 Not to *mention* the fact that Judy has *never* been
 involved with the TM organization, wouldn't know what
 happened or didn't happen in Fairfield on a bet, has
 never met *either* Maharishi or Robin, and her opinion 
 of Robin is based almost *entirely* on what *he* has 
 posted here. Funny how she has a tendency to find 
 those who rag on and obsess on the same people she 
 does believable, eh? That must be her standard for
 trustworthiness.  :-)
 
 Plus, there is another thing she seems to take for
 granted that others here do not. She assumes that Robin
 would either want to or need to defend himself against
 people stating views of him contrary to his own. He
 might (another reason she's his groupie, because that
 makes him just like her), but many people Just Don't
 Give A Shit. 
 
 WHO could possibly care, after all, what pissants like
 Judy and her minions think of them? They're pissants,
 and the opinions of pissants Simply Don't Matter. 
 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote:
 
  Share to Judy about her criticism of Susan: Judy I don't think your 
  criticism of Susan is valid because for all anyone knows, Robin is not 
  around only in the sense that he currently is not posting. However, for all 
  we know, he may be around in the sense that he reads FFL posts. In either 
  case, it is his choice. Additionally your criticism is valid only if Robin 
  is unwillingly not around to defend himself and if Susan knows about this. 
  Is he incapacitated in some way? Has he been banned from FFL? And do you 
  know for a fact that Susan knows either for a fact? In that case, your 
  criticism would be valid. And worth respecting. 
  
  Judy to Susan: now you're badmouthing him when he's not around to defend 
  himself. That is not a behavior for which I have much respect.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote:

 Judy, you said to Susan: now you're badmouthing him when he's not around to 
 defend himself. That is not a behavior for which I have much respect.
 My question to Judy remains: do we know for a fact that Robin
 does not read FFL posts?

And my answer to Share remains: We do not NEED to know
that for a fact. If we're ethical, we simply make that
assumption and refrain from badmouthing a person who is
not posting unless or until the person shows up.

Your elaborate rationalizations are not to the point
and do not reflect well on you.



 Obviously there is a wide range of how people connect with FFL known both 
directly and indirectly. Directly includes: some post regularly; some post 
sporadically; some take long breaks from posting. Indirectly: when they return, 
some announce that they've been reading posts but not replying for one reason 
or another; some announce that they've not been reading posts for one reason or 
another; some say nothing about this.
 
 The ethical issues in all this are that you accused Susan of doing something 
 which you do not prove is happening because you do not prove that Robin is 
 not around to defend himself. And you have twisted two points that I made.  
 
 
 If indeed Robin would appreciate the chance to respond to criticism, as you 
 suggest below, then surely he WOULD be reading FFL, or at least occasionally 
 archiving on his name if he was concerned about possible criticisms of him.
 
 
 
 
 
  From: authfriend authfriend@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 9:17 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's  Anti-Saint Policies
  
 
 
   
 Judy to Share about her criticism of my criticism of
 Susan:
 
 LOL.
 
 I'm sure Susan is grateful for your oh-so-insightful
 analysis. It's entirely understandable why you would
 want to defend the idea that it's perfectly OK to
 talk about someone behind their back, as it were.
 
 I could be wrong, but I think most people feel that
 the ethical thing to do is to assume a person who is
 not posting is also not reading, and that they would
 appreciate the chance to respond to criticism.
 
 I seriously doubt Robin has been banned from FFL.
 Perhaps Alex could tell us. Such a friendly
 suggestion, Share.
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote:
 
  Share to Judy about her criticism of Susan: Judy I don't think your 
  criticism of Susan is valid because for all anyone knows, Robin is not 
  around only in the sense that he currently is not posting. However, for all 
  we know, he may be around in the sense that he reads FFL posts. In either 
  case, it is his choice. Additionally your criticism is valid only if Robin 
  is unwillingly not around to defend himself and if Susan knows about this. 
  Is he incapacitated in some way? Has he been banned from FFL? And do you 
  know for a fact that Susan knows either for a fact? In that case, your 
  criticism would be valid. And worth respecting. 
  
  Judy to Susan: now you're badmouthing him when he's not around to defend 
  himself. That is not a behavior for which I have much respect.
  
  
  
  
  
   From: authfriend authfriend@
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2013 4:02 PM
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's  Anti-Saint Policies
  
  
  
    
  Susan, I can only repeat: You did not know what Robin
  was about, because the MIU biggies did not want you to
  know what he was about. You even let yourself be
  convinced that he wasn't devoted to Maharishi and his
  teaching, when that simply was not the case.
  
  You went along with what *they* told you even though
  they were protecting you in the way you yourself have
  been eloquently objecting to recently. 
  
  Robin was sui generis and should not be used as an
  example in this context. That would be a travesty,
  for the reasons I've outlined. There are plenty of
  others you could have used as examples instead.
  
  You made it clear while Robin was here that you didn't
  trust him because you had trouble following what he
  wrote, and now you're badmouthing him when he's not
  around to defend himself. That is not a behavior for
  which I have much respect.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies

[salyavin808]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@... wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote:
 
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote:
  
   I don't know, and you don't either, what the rationale behind the not 
   some saints policy, is. As much as we enjoy seeing these TMO people as a 
   bunch of power hungry bureaucrats, they are also responsible for how 
   Maharishi's policies are to be be maintained, or modified.
   
   The TMO is anything but a charismatic organization, left to freewheel 
   about the vague sayings of its founder. Maharishi was pretty specific 
   about how TM and the TMSP are taught, and practiced.
   
   Obviously some are going to abuse their power, as in any organization,   
   though I also recognize the significant responsibility those in the TMO 
   feel, to uphold Maharishi's legacy.
   
   I do agree with you that trying to effect change in the Dome policies, by 
   writing posts to FFL, will not accomplish much.  
   
  
  It will accomplish the opposite. Any TM gov reading these pleas 
  will conclude you are a bunch of whining, ungrateful, unstressers.
  
  They will think that all that Marshy did for you is being undermined
  by a bunch of selfish, daydreamers who don't know when they are 
  onto a good thing. The *best* thing. And worse that you are happy
  to insist that everybody who sticks to programme rules has to put 
  up with you bringing in new techniques or your own confused consciousness 
  into the purity of the domes. 
  
  Get real guys. You either want to be in the TMO or you don't,
  you can't make your own rules up about what goes on in Marshy's
  house, especially if it's going to annoy other people who are
  already inside. Bevan and co are the devoted protectors of what
  Marshy taught them, why should they drop their and the guru's
  standards just to please you?
 
 
 because the money is dwindling?
 because the fulfillment is to create heaven on earth?
 Looks like a good reasons to me!
 Has not there been trouble with a large continued donation, recently?
 Donating a 100 million can start chiseling at the accounting books of 
 billionaires? 

If they care more about money than fulfilling Marshy's wishes
then they will.

Remember, their definition of heaven on earth is the establishment
of a vedic civilisation (or what their idea of one is) and that
will only happen with everyone on the programme. This is how they
think. Well, not think, it's what they were trained to do. It's
going to be the deepest thing in Bevans life. Not just his job but
his whole raison d'etre.


  In the UK, if you want to join the community in Skelmersdale
  you have to watch a tape where the head of the UK movement
  states as clearly as possible that they are quite happy for
  people to experiment with other techniques or see other teachers,
  just don't do it there. I agree with it, decide which boat
  you are in or you'll end up trying to go in two directions at
  once. Which never works.
  
 
 Life is a one way street and all that encompasses this journey and brings 
 happiness to the self and those who you wish around you, this is all the same 
 direction!

Tell them that. As I point out they are happy for you to do
whatever you want. Somewhere else.


 Like saying one should only speak English and not learn Japanese, French, 
 Italian, Hindi?because it MIGHT confuse a child learning?
 Math and dance do not coexist?
 Painting and Poetry are two different mediums of expression, so stick to only 
 one?

Poor analogy. If you were to try speaking English and Japanese at 
the same time you would encounter serious confusion. Which is a good
analogy of what the TMO think will happen if you mix stuff up in 
the dome - it won't be as effective as just speaking one language.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies

[salyavin808]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@... wrote:

 If I had known about a no Saints policy before learning TM, honestly, that 
 type of control would have steered me far away from learning TM, absolutely.

That's nothing, if I'd seen a tape of Marshy before learning
I wouldn't have bothered.

There is a reason they keep stuff like this back, they don't
want to scare people off. At the academy I worked at they had
special weekend courses for newbies with normal food and easy
going tapes with no chanting etc. The whole thing was designed
to get you into the belief system bit by bit. 

  
 Hindsight, when I was innocent to some of these ridicules requirements, such 
 as that, I would appreciated hearing from others what is going to be 
 expected, of one to use and do a stress reduction, technique, and pay for 
 it on top of that!
 
 Nothing is wrong with teaching and sharing and a fair exchange of goods for 
 services.
 It is all the stupid requirements that make it look like a cult.

It *is* a cult.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies

[Share Long]

Judy, given that others sometimes read posts but don't write posts, it is 
reasonable to question your assertion that Robin is not around to defend 
himself. Especially since, as you say, people would appreciate the chance to 
respond to criticism. Surely if * they * are so concerned about criticism, then 
* they * would at least archive on their name occasionally to see if there is 
any!    

Your criticism of Susan remains invalid because you have not proven that Robin 
is not around to defend himself.




 From: authfriend authfri...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 10:01 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's  Anti-Saint Policies
 


  
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote:

 Judy, you said to Susan: now you're badmouthing him when he's not around to 
 defend himself. That is not a behavior for which I have much respect.
 My question to Judy remains: do we know for a fact that Robin
 does not read FFL posts?

And my answer to Share remains: We do not NEED to know
that for a fact. If we're ethical, we simply make that
assumption and refrain from badmouthing a person who is
not posting unless or until the person shows up.

Your elaborate rationalizations are not to the point
and do not reflect well on you.

Obviously there is a wide range of how people connect with FFL known both 
directly and indirectly. Directly includes: some post regularly; some post 
sporadically; some take long breaks from posting. Indirectly: when they return, 
some announce that they've been reading posts but not replying for one reason 
or another; some announce that they've not been reading posts for one reason or 
another; some say nothing about this.
 
 The ethical issues in all this are that you accused Susan of doing something 
 which you do not prove is happening because you do not prove that Robin is 
 not around to defend himself. And you have twisted two points that I made.  
 
 
 If indeed Robin would appreciate the chance to respond to criticism, as you 
 suggest below, then surely he WOULD be reading FFL, or at least occasionally 
 archiving on his name if he was concerned about possible criticisms of him.
 
 
 
 
 
  From: authfriend authfriend@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 9:17 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's  Anti-Saint Policies
 
 
 
   
 Judy to Share about her criticism of my criticism of
 Susan:
 
 LOL.
 
 I'm sure Susan is grateful for your oh-so-insightful
 analysis. It's entirely understandable why you would
 want to defend the idea that it's perfectly OK to
 talk about someone behind their back, as it were.
 
 I could be wrong, but I think most people feel that
 the ethical thing to do is to assume a person who is
 not posting is also not reading, and that they would
 appreciate the chance to respond to criticism.
 
 I seriously doubt Robin has been banned from FFL.
 Perhaps Alex could tell us. Such a friendly
 suggestion, Share.
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote:
 
  Share to Judy about her criticism of Susan: Judy I don't think your 
  criticism of Susan is valid because for all anyone knows, Robin is not 
  around only in the sense that he currently is not posting. However, for all 
  we know, he may be around in the sense that he reads FFL posts. In either 
  case, it is his choice. Additionally your criticism is valid only if Robin 
  is unwillingly not around to defend himself and if Susan knows about this. 
  Is he incapacitated in some way? Has he been banned from FFL? And do you 
  know for a fact that Susan knows either for a fact? In that case, your 
  criticism would be valid. And worth respecting. 
  
  Judy to Susan: now you're badmouthing him when he's not around to defend 
  himself. That is not a behavior for which I have much respect.
  
  
  
  
  
   From: authfriend authfriend@
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2013 4:02 PM
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's  Anti-Saint Policies
  
  
  
    
  Susan, I can only repeat: You did not know what Robin
  was about, because the MIU biggies did not want you to
  know what he was about. You even let yourself be
  convinced that he wasn't devoted to Maharishi and his
  teaching, when that simply was not the case.
  
  You went along with what *they* told you even though
  they were protecting you in the way you yourself have
  been eloquently objecting to recently. 
  
  Robin was sui generis and should not be used as an
  example in this context. That would be a travesty,
  for the reasons I've outlined. There are plenty of
  others you could have used as examples instead.
  
  You made it clear while Robin was here that you didn't
  trust him because you had trouble following what he
  wrote, and now you're badmouthing him when he's

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies

[Michael Jackson]

I think Barry is hoping beyond hope that you who practice will wake up from the 
dream and act like you got some sense like me and Barry and Curtis, et al. Even 
Barry as much sense as he seems to have might have a forlorn hope. 





 From: doctordumb...@rocketmail.com doctordumb...@rocketmail.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 9:16 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's  Anti-Saint Policies
 


  
Actually much more pathetic to have QUIT TM OVER 40 YEARS AGO, and yet, still 
remain obsessed with who does it, and for how long, and how it is now being 
marketed, and who Maharishi was, or wasn't, and your opinion on those in the TM 
Org, and how the sidhis work, and what they do or do not do, etc, etc, etc. 

Fuck dude, you spend a lot more time on TM, than most of us do, who actually 
practice it! 

Its a really odd thing, this addiction of yours, to something you haven't done 
for most of your life. You are unique in that way. Among  anyone I have ever 
known, or met, or taught in class, or spoke with on a plane, or had a 
conversation with at a party, or at work, or written to, I have NEVER MET 
someone with an obsession like yours, who had nothing whatsoever to do with the 
object of their obsession. I have never seen this behavior before. 

As a result, I am really glad you live on a different continent, than I do. :-)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote:

 Not to *mention* the fact that Judy has *never* been
 involved with the TM organization, 


 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote:

 Judy, given that others sometimes read posts but don't write posts

*plonk*

[FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote:

 I think Barry is hoping beyond hope that you who practice will wake up from 
 the dream and act like you got some sense like me and Barry and Curtis, et 
 al. Even Barry as much sense as he seems to have might have a forlorn hope.

Nope, that's the last thing he'd hope for, because then he
wouldn't have anybody to dump on.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies

[Buck]

 
 for the practice of TM and TMSP, but all who agree to do this are 
 welcome. Welcome back.
 
 Everyone around the Prime Minister is saying they are only waiting 
 for the guy to die to resolve the conflict.  However in mediation let 
 us hope for a communal peace and reconciliation in a large group 
 meditation before then.  
  -Buck
  
    
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson 
   mjackson74@ wrote:
   
what you fail to take into consideration is that your 
Taliban-like leaders took their cue from Marshy himself and 
that YEARS of TM, TMSP, rounding, and being around Marshy has 
led them to this pass - draw - my suggestion is get out before 
you waste anymore time, effort, energy and money. 

   
   
   Son, what I truly wish is for moderation to return to the Country 
   of Global Peace. This is my only wish. Extremism pains me 
   greatly. We have suffered many blows as a result of extremism.
   -Buck
   


Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's  Anti-Saint Policies



  

Repealing TM's  Anti-Saint Policies

Urgently A  'repeal movement' is clearly needed now to save 
the TM movement.  A repeal of the anti-saint policies if only 
to sustain a meditation group for the Dome meditation numbers.  
A meditation without fear.  The TM movement's anti-saint 
policies have long bred hypocrisy and contempt for the movement 
and its leadership inside and outside the meditating community. 
 We need only look at the decades  long slide in numbers 
meditating or the Dome meditation numbers.  They are down and 
it is an uphill fight to get numbers back against the 
hard-heads on top.  Simply to save the Dome numbers meditating 
there needs to come along a flat out repeal movement against 
these Dome policies.  The Dome policies and guidelines have 
clearly failed to sustain our numbers and it is time and has 
become our larger responsibility to change those guidelines 
with repeal.  The Taliban-like leaders of the movement with 
their anti-saint policies have made for a TM movement of
 corruption, liars and hypocrites.  More than reforming, the 
time is come for the repeal of the anti-saint polices to save 
the Dome meditating program; Repeal now the anti-saint 
guidelines to save the Dome numbers.  The saints are returning 
soon again.  It is a fact of life.  Repeal the TM-Anti-Saint 
policies now to save the Domes before it is too late..  The 
time has come to make your voice heard and join the Anti-Saint 
repeal movement for all our benefit.


 Repealing TM's anti-saint policies it seems has terribly 
 strong parallels to the context of the 18th Amendment 'Repeal 
 Movement' in the 20th Century.  Take a look at this short 
 piece on Pauline Sabin of the movement to repeal the 18th 
 amendment:  A theme of the undoing of the 'dry's' from early 
 was their own self-destruct of unbending policies in the face 
 of a reality.   Sort of like TM's movement administration 
 trying to restrict and prohibit its own people from visiting 
 other saints and holy people and only relying on its own TM 
 teachers and consultants.
 
 As comparison critique this is a thought provoking 
 documentary on Pauline Sabin and the movement to repeal the 
 18th Amendment, Have a look: 
 
 
 http://www.wgbh.org/programs/Baseball-The-Tenth-Inning-1199/episodes/Women-of-PROHIBITION-Pauline-Sabin-34763
 
 
 
  
   Yeah, you say this NOW, now that it's come out 
   that
   he is married and has been for many years. But I 
   wonder
   what excuses you make for him lying about it for 
   so long,
   and to so many?
  
 
  That is a really tough question. That could easily 
  be someone's
 scholarly thesis topic alone on Fairfield. How meditators 
 have dealt with the
 deceit and moral dissonance of their leadership. That became 
 more directly
 addressed in a series of posts by a range of old meditators 
 writing on FFL
 between Christmas and New Year's a month ago. It was really 
 interesting to read
 how different people resolved their relationship with the Tmo.
 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote:
 
  Back then it seems the problems were more simply over the 
  money, fund-raising

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies

[Share Long]

Judy, you can plonk all you want, but can you prove that Robin is in fact, as 
you originally said in your criticism of Susan, not around to defend himself? 
Meaning not reading posts though obviously he is not writing posts in response?





 From: authfriend authfri...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 10:50 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's  Anti-Saint Policies
 


  
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote:

 Judy, given that others sometimes read posts but don't write posts

*plonk*


 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies

[obbajeeba]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote:
 
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ 
  wrote:
  
   
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote:
   
I don't know, and you don't either, what the rationale behind the not 
some saints policy, is. As much as we enjoy seeing these TMO people as 
a bunch of power hungry bureaucrats, they are also responsible for how 
Maharishi's policies are to be be maintained, or modified.

The TMO is anything but a charismatic organization, left to freewheel 
about the vague sayings of its founder. Maharishi was pretty specific 
about how TM and the TMSP are taught, and practiced.

Obviously some are going to abuse their power, as in any organization,  
 though I also recognize the significant responsibility those in the 
TMO feel, to uphold Maharishi's legacy.

I do agree with you that trying to effect change in the Dome policies, 
by writing posts to FFL, will not accomplish much.  

   
   It will accomplish the opposite. Any TM gov reading these pleas 
   will conclude you are a bunch of whining, ungrateful, unstressers.
   
   They will think that all that Marshy did for you is being undermined
   by a bunch of selfish, daydreamers who don't know when they are 
   onto a good thing. The *best* thing. And worse that you are happy
   to insist that everybody who sticks to programme rules has to put 
   up with you bringing in new techniques or your own confused consciousness 
   into the purity of the domes. 
   
   Get real guys. You either want to be in the TMO or you don't,
   you can't make your own rules up about what goes on in Marshy's
   house, especially if it's going to annoy other people who are
   already inside. Bevan and co are the devoted protectors of what
   Marshy taught them, why should they drop their and the guru's
   standards just to please you?
  
  
  because the money is dwindling?
  because the fulfillment is to create heaven on earth?
  Looks like a good reasons to me!
  Has not there been trouble with a large continued donation, recently?
  Donating a 100 million can start chiseling at the accounting books of 
  billionaires? 
 
 If they care more about money than fulfilling Marshy's wishes
 then they will.
 
 Remember, their definition of heaven on earth is the establishment
 of a vedic civilisation (or what their idea of one is) and that
 will only happen with everyone on the programme. This is how they
 think. Well, not think, it's what they were trained to do. It's
 going to be the deepest thing in Bevans life. Not just his job but
 his whole raison d'etre.
 
 
   In the UK, if you want to join the community in Skelmersdale
   you have to watch a tape where the head of the UK movement
   states as clearly as possible that they are quite happy for
   people to experiment with other techniques or see other teachers,
   just don't do it there. I agree with it, decide which boat
   you are in or you'll end up trying to go in two directions at
   once. Which never works.
   
  
  Life is a one way street and all that encompasses this journey and brings 
  happiness to the self and those who you wish around you, this is all the 
  same direction!
 
 Tell them that. As I point out they are happy for you to do
 whatever you want. Somewhere else.
 
 
  Like saying one should only speak English and not learn Japanese, French, 
  Italian, Hindi?because it MIGHT confuse a child learning?
  Math and dance do not coexist?
  Painting and Poetry are two different mediums of expression, so stick to 
  only one?
 
 Poor analogy. If you were to try speaking English and Japanese at 
 the same time you would encounter serious confusion. Which is a good
 analogy of what the TMO think will happen if you mix stuff up in 
 the dome - it won't be as effective as just speaking one language.

Ah, no. Tell that to my friends who are multilingual and learned at the same 
time. Tell that to Rosetta Stone. What common languages all share, helps the 
knower with the knowing of the known and that is the reason Latin was useful in 
High Schools at one time to help understand where these words share common 
meanings. 
I can learn better with more than one of anything in front of me! 
Explain that? ha

[FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote:

 Judy, you can plonk all you want

Thank you.

*plonk*

[FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies

[seventhray27]

Share,
If I were an odds maker, I'd put the odds at 90% that Robin reads every
post on this site. Probably in Starbucks right now reading this.
Hey Robin, what it is?  What's your take on the Hawks/Bruins final? 
Como sa va.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:

 Judy, you can plonk all you want, but can you prove that Robin is in
fact, as you originally said in your criticism of Susan, not around to
defend himself? Meaning not reading posts though obviously he is not
writing posts in response?




 
  From: authfriend authfriend@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 10:50 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's  Anti-Saint Policies



 Â
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote:
 
  Judy, given that others sometimes read posts but don't write posts

 *plonk*

[FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies

[doctordumbass]

I could not care less about what Barry's, or your, intent may be. Forty years 
is an awfully long time to be doing the same thing, and expecting a different 
result. That is commonly referred to as insanity. That is why I made the 
statement I did about happily living on a different continent from him. I don't 
dig his shit, though you seem to enjoy doing so.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote:

 I think Barry is hoping beyond hope that you who practice will wake up from 
 the dream and act like you got some sense like me and Barry and Curtis, et 
 al. Even Barry as much sense as he seems to have might have a forlorn hope. 
 
 
 
 
 
  From: doctordumbass@... doctordumbass@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 9:16 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's  Anti-Saint Policies
  
 
 
   
 Actually much more pathetic to have QUIT TM OVER 40 YEARS AGO, and yet, still 
 remain obsessed with who does it, and for how long, and how it is now being 
 marketed, and who Maharishi was, or wasn't, and your opinion on those in the 
 TM Org, and how the sidhis work, and what they do or do not do, etc, etc, 
 etc. 
 
 Fuck dude, you spend a lot more time on TM, than most of us do, who actually 
 practice it! 
 
 Its a really odd thing, this addiction of yours, to something you haven't 
 done for most of your life. You are unique in that way. Among  anyone I have 
 ever known, or met, or taught in class, or spoke with on a plane, or had a 
 conversation with at a party, or at work, or written to, I have NEVER MET 
 someone with an obsession like yours, who had nothing whatsoever to do with 
 the object of their obsession. I have never seen this behavior before. 
 
 As a result, I am really glad you live on a different continent, than I do. 
 :-)
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote:
 
  Not to *mention* the fact that Judy has *never* been
  involved with the TM organization,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies

[doctordumbass]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote:
 
  I think Barry is hoping beyond hope that you who practice will wake up from 
  the dream and act like you got some sense like me and Barry and Curtis, et 
  al. Even Barry as much sense as he seems to have might have a forlorn hope.
 
 Nope, that's the last thing he'd hope for, because then he
 wouldn't have anybody to dump on.

Sure he would - the world is nothing, if not an endless series of targets to 
him, mirroring an increasingly unhappy personality.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies

[Michael Jackson]

then why keep blathering on about his obsession?





 From: doctordumb...@rocketmail.com doctordumb...@rocketmail.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 12:41 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's  Anti-Saint Policies
 


  
I could not care less about what Barry's, or your, intent may be. Forty years 
is an awfully long time to be doing the same thing, and expecting a different 
result. That is commonly referred to as insanity. That is why I made the 
statement I did about happily living on a different continent from him. I don't 
dig his shit, though you seem to enjoy doing so.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote:

 I think Barry is hoping beyond hope that you who practice will wake up from 
 the dream and act like you got some sense like me and Barry and Curtis, et 
 al. Even Barry as much sense as he seems to have might have a forlorn hope. 
 
 
 
 
 
  From: doctordumbass@... doctordumbass@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 9:16 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's  Anti-Saint Policies
 
 
 
   
 Actually much more pathetic to have QUIT TM OVER 40 YEARS AGO, and yet, still 
 remain obsessed with who does it, and for how long, and how it is now being 
 marketed, and who Maharishi was, or wasn't, and your opinion on those in the 
 TM Org, and how the sidhis work, and what they do or do not do, etc, etc, 
 etc. 
 
 Fuck dude, you spend a lot more time on TM, than most of us do, who actually 
 practice it! 
 
 Its a really odd thing, this addiction of yours, to something you haven't 
 done for most of your life. You are unique in that way. Among  anyone I have 
 ever known, or met, or taught in class, or spoke with on a plane, or had a 
 conversation with at a party, or at work, or written to, I have NEVER MET 
 someone with an obsession like yours, who had nothing whatsoever to do with 
 the object of their obsession. I have never seen this behavior before. 
 
 As a result, I am really glad you live on a different continent, than I do. 
 :-)
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote:
 
  Not to *mention* the fact that Judy has *never* been
  involved with the TM organization,



 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies

[Buck]

 
  themselves, or evolve.  To assume that once a person learns TM they 
  will never be curious about another program or teacher or saint is 
  ludicrous. And so is the assumption that they should be excluded 
  from the good graces of the TMO if they do widen their horizons.The 
  TMO has to make a decision soon: to continue to strictly follow 
  MMYs policy from about 1970, or to soften up and realize how 
  different our world is now and how infantalizing the old policy is. 
  
   How simple it would be to just scrap the whole department that 
  deals with the blacklisting and gatekeeping.  Just say the Domes 
  are only for the practice of TM and TMSP, but all who agree to do 
  this are welcome. Welcome back.
  
  Everyone around the Prime Minister is saying they are only waiting 
  for the guy to die to resolve the conflict.  However in mediation 
  let us hope for a communal peace and reconciliation in a large 
  group meditation before then.  
   -Buck
   
     

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson 
mjackson74@ wrote:

 what you fail to take into consideration is that your 
 Taliban-like leaders took their cue from Marshy himself and 
 that YEARS of TM, TMSP, rounding, and being around Marshy has 
 led them to this pass - draw - my suggestion is get out 
 before you waste anymore time, effort, energy and money. 
 


Son, what I truly wish is for moderation to return to the 
Country of Global Peace. This is my only wish. Extremism pains 
me greatly. We have suffered many blows as a result of 
extremism.
-Buck

 
 
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's  Anti-Saint 
 Policies
 
 
 
   
 
 Repealing TM's  Anti-Saint Policies
 
 Urgently A  'repeal movement' is clearly needed now to save 
 the TM movement.  A repeal of the anti-saint policies if only 
 to sustain a meditation group for the Dome meditation 
 numbers.  A meditation without fear.  The TM movement's 
 anti-saint policies have long bred hypocrisy and contempt for 
 the movement and its leadership inside and outside the 
 meditating community.  We need only look at the decades  long 
 slide in numbers meditating or the Dome meditation numbers.  
 They are down and it is an uphill fight to get numbers back 
 against the hard-heads on top.  Simply to save the Dome 
 numbers meditating there needs to come along a flat out 
 repeal movement against these Dome policies.  The Dome 
 policies and guidelines have clearly failed to sustain our 
 numbers and it is time and has become our larger 
 responsibility to change those guidelines with repeal.  The 
 Taliban-like leaders of the movement with their anti-saint 
 policies have made for a TM movement of
  corruption, liars and hypocrites.  More than reforming, the 
 time is come for the repeal of the anti-saint polices to save 
 the Dome meditating program; Repeal now the anti-saint 
 guidelines to save the Dome numbers.  The saints are 
 returning soon again.  It is a fact of life.  Repeal the 
 TM-Anti-Saint policies now to save the Domes before it is too 
 late..  The time has come to make your voice heard and join 
 the Anti-Saint repeal movement for all our benefit.
 
 
  Repealing TM's anti-saint policies it seems has terribly 
  strong parallels to the context of the 18th Amendment 
  'Repeal Movement' in the 20th Century.  Take a look at this 
  short piece on Pauline Sabin of the movement to repeal the 
  18th amendment:  A theme of the undoing of the 'dry's' from 
  early was their own self-destruct of unbending policies in 
  the face of a reality.   Sort of like TM's movement 
  administration trying to restrict and prohibit its own 
  people from visiting other saints and holy people and only 
  relying on its own TM teachers and consultants.
  
  As comparison critique this is a thought provoking 
  documentary on Pauline Sabin and the movement to repeal the 
  18th Amendment, Have a look: 
  
  
  http://www.wgbh.org/programs/Baseball-The-Tenth-Inning-1199/episodes/Women-of-PROHIBITION-Pauline-Sabin-34763
  
  
  
   
Yeah, you say this NOW, now that it's come out 
that
he is married and has been for many years. But 
I wonder
what excuses you make for him lying about it 
for so

[FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies

[salyavin808]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@... wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote:
 
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote:
  
   
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ 
   wrote:
   


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote:

 I don't know, and you don't either, what the rationale behind the not 
 some saints policy, is. As much as we enjoy seeing these TMO people 
 as a bunch of power hungry bureaucrats, they are also responsible for 
 how Maharishi's policies are to be be maintained, or modified.
 
 The TMO is anything but a charismatic organization, left to freewheel 
 about the vague sayings of its founder. Maharishi was pretty specific 
 about how TM and the TMSP are taught, and practiced.
 
 Obviously some are going to abuse their power, as in any 
 organization,   though I also recognize the significant 
 responsibility those in the TMO feel, to uphold Maharishi's legacy.
 
 I do agree with you that trying to effect change in the Dome 
 policies, by writing posts to FFL, will not accomplish much.  
 

It will accomplish the opposite. Any TM gov reading these pleas 
will conclude you are a bunch of whining, ungrateful, unstressers.

They will think that all that Marshy did for you is being undermined
by a bunch of selfish, daydreamers who don't know when they are 
onto a good thing. The *best* thing. And worse that you are happy
to insist that everybody who sticks to programme rules has to put 
up with you bringing in new techniques or your own confused 
consciousness into the purity of the domes. 

Get real guys. You either want to be in the TMO or you don't,
you can't make your own rules up about what goes on in Marshy's
house, especially if it's going to annoy other people who are
already inside. Bevan and co are the devoted protectors of what
Marshy taught them, why should they drop their and the guru's
standards just to please you?
   
   
   because the money is dwindling?
   because the fulfillment is to create heaven on earth?
   Looks like a good reasons to me!
   Has not there been trouble with a large continued donation, recently?
   Donating a 100 million can start chiseling at the accounting books of 
   billionaires? 
  
  If they care more about money than fulfilling Marshy's wishes
  then they will.
  
  Remember, their definition of heaven on earth is the establishment
  of a vedic civilisation (or what their idea of one is) and that
  will only happen with everyone on the programme. This is how they
  think. Well, not think, it's what they were trained to do. It's
  going to be the deepest thing in Bevans life. Not just his job but
  his whole raison d'etre.
  
  
In the UK, if you want to join the community in Skelmersdale
you have to watch a tape where the head of the UK movement
states as clearly as possible that they are quite happy for
people to experiment with other techniques or see other teachers,
just don't do it there. I agree with it, decide which boat
you are in or you'll end up trying to go in two directions at
once. Which never works.

   
   Life is a one way street and all that encompasses this journey and brings 
   happiness to the self and those who you wish around you, this is all the 
   same direction!
  
  Tell them that. As I point out they are happy for you to do
  whatever you want. Somewhere else.
  
  
   Like saying one should only speak English and not learn Japanese, French, 
   Italian, Hindi?because it MIGHT confuse a child learning?
   Math and dance do not coexist?
   Painting and Poetry are two different mediums of expression, so stick to 
   only one?
  
  Poor analogy. If you were to try speaking English and Japanese at 
  the same time you would encounter serious confusion. Which is a good
  analogy of what the TMO think will happen if you mix stuff up in 
  the dome - it won't be as effective as just speaking one language.
 
 Ah, no. Tell that to my friends who are multilingual and learned at the same 
 time. Tell that to Rosetta Stone. What common languages all share, helps the 
 knower with the knowing of the known and that is the reason Latin was useful 
 in High Schools at one time to help understand where these words share common 
 meanings. 
 I can learn better with more than one of anything in front of me! 
 Explain that? ha

OK, it didn't work, the learning two languages analogy* was a 
metaphor for *mixing* meditation, the TMO think it can't be done without 
lessening what they consider the ultimate technique.

The domes are for one technique only, they is the rules. Mixing 
stuff up will dilute the purity of the teaching, like doing tae
kwondo in a judo class, or *anything* for 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies

[Michael Jackson]

Umm bring me up to speed on that - at the time the Domes were built, I was a 
starry eyed TM True Believer who wanted to be a TM teacher and was busy running 
the race to Inner Space by chasing the Citizen Sidha track. I always assumed 
that the Domes were built at the expense of the Movement (which ultimately now 
that I think of it means it was built with money that Marshy and Company 
vacuumed out of people's pockets) - did the Movement do a solicitation to raise 
funds for the Domes projects, or were you referring to the fact that it was all 
volunteer staff that did the actual labor of building? 





 From: Buck dhamiltony...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 12:58 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's  Anti-Saint Policies
 


  



 Dr. that is true but that just does not exactly match reality here.  Doc., 
 from a distance you would think so.  But you don't live here.  However, there 
 is a much larger meditating community here that has long been spurned and 
 disenfranchised from the Domes by a very few extremists in the middle who 
 have their own faith-based ideology that has held the group meditation of the 
 community hostage. 
 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen drpsutphen@ wrote:
 
  Well, if you really want to resolve this you simply build your own dome or 
  flying hall. A master never releases his slave. The slave decides to no 
  longer be a slave. To think that the TMO is ever going to change its 
  position is a waste of time. Those people are simply lost in their own 
  minds. If they ever experienced the fruit of TM/TMSP they would be free. 
  But they very clearly don't , so they continue to rule in their fiefdom of 
  thought.
 
 

The fact is that the larger community built the Domes to meditate in.  The 
community should not have to build another set of Domes because a few people 
have locked the community out.  That [build another] thinking is wrong and in 
fact they need to change their thinking for there to be a proper ME again in 
the Domes.  If they cannot return a proper ME now, right now,  then it is time 
for regime change if they can not rescind the TM Anti-saint policies that use 
the Domes in extortion.  Something has to change for the benefit of a proper ME 
.
-Buck 

  In order to reach a just solution to the anti-saint policies of TM and the 
  Dome meditation ME that is accepted by all parties, goodwill can play the 
  role of mediator between the TM.government and its meditator community in 
  opposition that is working hard to achieve a democracy and good governance. 
I do hope for the best ME we can facilitate. 
  -Buck 
  
  
   
   The gravest threat to the Maharishi Effect here and its protection of 
   America in its support of Natural Law is our tyrannic TM anti-saint 
   policy over meditators in the Domes.  It is time to repeal the anti-saint 
   policy for all our safety. 
   
   
Yep, using the Dome badge as punishment in fealty test over people 
while hoping to git a large and proper Meissner Effect out of the Domes 
is insurmountably impossible without a change in the leadership and/or 
the TM-anti-saint guidelines.  A large change is needed right now from 
within TM. 
-Buck

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck  wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@ wrote:
 
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote:
  
   
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson 
   mjackson74@ wrote:
   
As the Global Country of World Peace exists only in the minds 
of those too blind to see Marshy's legacy for what it was, a 
scam, you are in danger of losing nothing and the extremism you 
speak of has existed for decades - it ain't gonna change now, 
Pappy.

   
   
   It seems that extremists on both sides are determined to maintain 
   the state of hostility and hatred between the two positions, but 
   logic says that there should be a change of direction in order to 
   turn a new page in this unstable relationship and minimize the 
   state of hostility and mistrust between the two positions. 
  
  From what I recall, there were 4 reasons MMY forbid looking 
  elsewhere:  First, to protect people from getting sidetracked from 
  the TM path and onto a flashier but less evolutionary method. The 
  assumption here was that TMers were in many cases unable to discern 
  the difference between the Real Deal and lesser and possibly 
  harmful crap (ie Robin Carlson, etc). Second, there is value in 
  sticking with a single path and not diluting it with other ways 
  and creating a mishmash of approaches. Third, the TMO and MMY would 
  suffer if the public noticed that TM'ers were still looking

[FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote:


 The fact is that the larger community built the Domes to meditate in.  The 
 community should not have to build another set of Domes because a few people 
 have locked the community out.  That [build another] thinking is wrong and in 
 fact they need to change their thinking for there to be a proper ME again in 
 the Domes.  If they cannot return a proper ME now, right now,  then it is 
 time for regime change if they can not rescind the TM Anti-saint policies 
 that use the Domes in extortion.  Something has to change for the benefit of 
 a proper ME .
 -Buck   

The fact is that the americans are not able to uphold the ME. Just look at 
the numbers. My suggestion; move the whole operation to India the sooner the 
better.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies

[nablusoss1008]

  From: doctordumbass@... doctordumbass@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 9:16 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's  Anti-Saint Policies
  
 
 
   
 Actually much more pathetic to have QUIT TM OVER 40 YEARS AGO, and yet, still 
 remain obsessed with who does it, and for how long, and how it is now being 
 marketed, and who Maharishi was, or wasn't, and your opinion on those in the 
 TM Org, and how the sidhis work, and what they do or do not do, etc, etc, 
 etc. 
 
 Fuck dude, you spend a lot more time on TM, than most of us do, who actually 
 practice it! 
 
 Its a really odd thing, this addiction of yours, to something you haven't 
 done for most of your life. You are unique in that way. Among  anyone I have 
 ever known, or met, or taught in class, or spoke with on a plane, or had a 
 conversation with at a party, or at work, or written to, I have NEVER MET 
 someone with an obsession like yours, who had nothing whatsoever to do with 
 the object of their obsession. I have never seen this behavior before. 
 
 As a result, I am really glad you live on a different continent, than I do. 
 :-)

This, the Turqs obsession with the TMO, has been pointed out again and again 
for years now. How can a person who left something, anything, more than 40 (!) 
years ago keep obsessing and still claim to be sane ? In my book it's simply 
not possible.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies

[card]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@... wrote:

  What's your take on the Hawks/Bruins final? 


I'm afraid Mr. Rask wont be able to save the Bruins
 even once more... :´/

[FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies

[Buck]

, there 
   is value in sticking with a single path and not diluting it 
   with other ways and creating a mishmash of approaches. Third, the 
   TMO and MMY would suffer if the public noticed that TM'ers were 
   still looking for help to solve their own issues or to find a 
   better Master.  Fourth, a belief that TM was the best way and 
   pretty much the only way to enlightenment.
  
  
  Yes the [TM sufficiency articles] held by the tru-believers, except 
  clearly the meditating movement does not believe or hold them as 
  articles of faith like our TM-taliban does.  We got a problem with 
  a few ultra-preservationist meditators in the middle of everything 
  holding the Meissner Effect [ME] and the Dome meditation hostage 
  with their own faith about things.
  -Buck in the Dome
  
   Now, whatever of the above points might be true, or not,  things 
   are different in  this day and age it is a fact that people will 
   easily be able to look at other methods to meditate, calm 
   themselves, or evolve.  To assume that once a person learns TM 
   they will never be curious about another program or teacher or 
   saint is ludicrous. And so is the assumption that they should be 
   excluded from the good graces of the TMO if they do widen their 
   horizons.The TMO has to make a decision soon: to continue to 
   strictly follow MMYs policy from about 1970, or to soften up and 
   realize how different our world is now and how infantalizing the 
   old policy is. 
   
How simple it would be to just scrap the whole department that 
   deals with the blacklisting and gatekeeping.  Just say the Domes 
   are only for the practice of TM and TMSP, but all who agree to do 
   this are welcome. Welcome back.
   
   Everyone around the Prime Minister is saying they are only 
   waiting for the guy to die to resolve the conflict.  However in 
   mediation let us hope for a communal peace and reconciliation in 
   a large group meditation before then. 
-Buck

  
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson 
 mjackson74@ wrote:
 
  what you fail to take into consideration is that your 
  Taliban-like leaders took their cue from Marshy himself and 
  that YEARS of TM, TMSP, rounding, and being around Marshy 
  has led them to this pass - draw - my suggestion is get out 
  before you waste anymore time, effort, energy and money. 
  
 
 
 Son, what I truly wish is for moderation to return to the 
 Country of Global Peace. This is my only wish. Extremism 
 pains me greatly. We have suffered many blows as a result of 
 extremism.
 -Buck
 
  
  
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's  Anti-Saint 
  Policies
  
  
  
    
  
  Repealing TM's  Anti-Saint Policies
  
  Urgently A  'repeal movement' is clearly needed now to 
  save the TM movement.  A repeal of the anti-saint policies 
  if only to sustain a meditation group for the Dome 
  meditation numbers.  A meditation without fear.  The TM 
  movement's anti-saint policies have long bred hypocrisy and 
  contempt for the movement and its leadership inside and 
  outside the meditating community.  We need only look at the 
  decades  long slide in numbers meditating or the Dome 
  meditation numbers.  They are down and it is an uphill 
  fight to get numbers back against the hard-heads on top.  
  Simply to save the Dome numbers meditating there needs to 
  come along a flat out repeal movement against these Dome 
  policies.  The Dome policies and guidelines have clearly 
  failed to sustain our numbers and it is time and has become 
  our larger responsibility to change those guidelines with 
  repeal.  The Taliban-like leaders of the movement with 
  their anti-saint policies have made for
  a TM movement of
   corruption, liars and hypocrites.  More than reforming, 
  the time is come for the repeal of the anti-saint polices 
  to save the Dome meditating program; Repeal now the 
  anti-saint guidelines to save the Dome numbers.  The saints 
  are returning soon again.  It is a fact of life.  Repeal 
  the TM-Anti-Saint policies now to save the Domes before it 
  is too late..  The time has come to make your voice heard 
  and join the Anti-Saint repeal movement for all our 
  benefit.
  
  
   Repealing TM's anti-saint policies it seems has terribly 
   strong parallels to the context of the 18th Amendment

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies

[Michael Jackson]

while I do agree that it is the TMO's prerogative to put whatever bullshit 
policies inplace they desire, it is typical of them to MAKE the policies 
bullshit, for example ASSUMING that a visit to another so-called saint MEANS 
that the perpetrator will ABSOLUTELY be doing something other than TMSP - its 
also because asses like Bevan and Doug Brix love to lord it over others so they 
can pretend they are some sort of demi-god like they thought Marshy was.





 From: salyavin808 fintlewoodle...@mail.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 1:05 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies
 


  


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@... wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote:
 
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote:
  
   
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ 
   wrote:
   


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote:

 I don't know, and you don't either, what the rationale behind the not 
 some saints policy, is. As much as we enjoy seeing these TMO people 
 as a bunch of power hungry bureaucrats, they are also responsible for 
 how Maharishi's policies are to be be maintained, or modified.
 
 The TMO is anything but a charismatic organization, left to freewheel 
 about the vague sayings of its founder. Maharishi was pretty specific 
 about how TM and the TMSP are taught, and practiced.
 
 Obviously some are going to abuse their power, as in any 
 organization,   though I also recognize the significant 
 responsibility those in the TMO feel, to uphold Maharishi's legacy.
 
 I do agree with you that trying to effect change in the Dome 
 policies, by writing posts to FFL, will not accomplish much. 
 

It will accomplish the opposite. Any TM gov reading these pleas 
will conclude you are a bunch of whining, ungrateful, unstressers.

They will think that all that Marshy did for you is being undermined
by a bunch of selfish, daydreamers who don't know when they are 
onto a good thing. The *best* thing. And worse that you are happy
to insist that everybody who sticks to programme rules has to put 
up with you bringing in new techniques or your own confused 
consciousness into the purity of the domes. 

Get real guys. You either want to be in the TMO or you don't,
you can't make your own rules up about what goes on in Marshy's
house, especially if it's going to annoy other people who are
already inside. Bevan and co are the devoted protectors of what
Marshy taught them, why should they drop their and the guru's
standards just to please you?
   
   
   because the money is dwindling?
   because the fulfillment is to create heaven on earth?
   Looks like a good reasons to me!
   Has not there been trouble with a large continued donation, recently?
   Donating a 100 million can start chiseling at the accounting books of 
   billionaires? 
  
  If they care more about money than fulfilling Marshy's wishes
  then they will.
  
  Remember, their definition of heaven on earth is the establishment
  of a vedic civilisation (or what their idea of one is) and that
  will only happen with everyone on the programme. This is how they
  think. Well, not think, it's what they were trained to do. It's
  going to be the deepest thing in Bevans life. Not just his job but
  his whole raison d'etre.
  
  
In the UK, if you want to join the community in Skelmersdale
you have to watch a tape where the head of the UK movement
states as clearly as possible that they are quite happy for
people to experiment with other techniques or see other teachers,
just don't do it there. I agree with it, decide which boat
you are in or you'll end up trying to go in two directions at
once. Which never works.

   
   Life is a one way street and all that encompasses this journey and brings 
   happiness to the self and those who you wish around you, this is all the 
   same direction!
  
  Tell them that. As I point out they are happy for you to do
  whatever you want. Somewhere else.
  
  
   Like saying one should only speak English and not learn Japanese, French, 
   Italian, Hindi?because it MIGHT confuse a child learning?
   Math and dance do not coexist?
   Painting and Poetry are two different mediums of expression, so stick to 
   only one?
  
  Poor analogy. If you were to try speaking English and Japanese at 
  the same time you would encounter serious confusion. Which is a good
  analogy of what the TMO think will happen if you mix stuff up in 
  the dome - it won't be as effective as just speaking one language.
 
 Ah, no. Tell that to my friends who are multilingual and learned at the same 
 time. Tell

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies

[Michael Jackson]

yeah, we see how well that went with Marshy ALIVE and having been given 
hundreds of millions of dollars to create the 10,000 pundit group - oh wait I 
forgot, he, Girish and the Srivastavas boys needed new Bentlys so they had to 
spend the money on themselves instead of for the pundit group





 From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 2:08 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's  Anti-Saint Policies
 


  


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote:

 The fact is that the larger community built the Domes to meditate in.  The 
 community should not have to build another set of Domes because a few people 
 have locked the community out.  That [build another] thinking is wrong and in 
 fact they need to change their thinking for there to be a proper ME again in 
 the Domes.  If they cannot return a proper ME now, right now,  then it is 
 time for regime change if they can not rescind the TM Anti-saint policies 
 that use the Domes in extortion.  Something has to change for the benefit of 
 a proper ME .
 -Buck 

The fact is that the americans are not able to uphold the ME. Just look at 
the numbers. My suggestion; move the whole operation to India the sooner the 
better.


 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies

[obbajeeba]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote:
 
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ 
  wrote:
  
   
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote:
   


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ 
wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ 
 wrote:
 
  I don't know, and you don't either, what the rationale behind the 
  not some saints policy, is. As much as we enjoy seeing these TMO 
  people as a bunch of power hungry bureaucrats, they are also 
  responsible for how Maharishi's policies are to be be maintained, 
  or modified.
  
  The TMO is anything but a charismatic organization, left to 
  freewheel about the vague sayings of its founder. Maharishi was 
  pretty specific about how TM and the TMSP are taught, and practiced.
  
  Obviously some are going to abuse their power, as in any 
  organization,   though I also recognize the significant 
  responsibility those in the TMO feel, to uphold Maharishi's legacy.
  
  I do agree with you that trying to effect change in the Dome 
  policies, by writing posts to FFL, will not accomplish much.  
  
 
 It will accomplish the opposite. Any TM gov reading these pleas 
 will conclude you are a bunch of whining, ungrateful, unstressers.
 
 They will think that all that Marshy did for you is being undermined
 by a bunch of selfish, daydreamers who don't know when they are 
 onto a good thing. The *best* thing. And worse that you are happy
 to insist that everybody who sticks to programme rules has to put 
 up with you bringing in new techniques or your own confused 
 consciousness into the purity of the domes. 
 
 Get real guys. You either want to be in the TMO or you don't,
 you can't make your own rules up about what goes on in Marshy's
 house, especially if it's going to annoy other people who are
 already inside. Bevan and co are the devoted protectors of what
 Marshy taught them, why should they drop their and the guru's
 standards just to please you?


because the money is dwindling?
because the fulfillment is to create heaven on earth?
Looks like a good reasons to me!
Has not there been trouble with a large continued donation, recently?
Donating a 100 million can start chiseling at the accounting books of 
billionaires? 
   
   If they care more about money than fulfilling Marshy's wishes
   then they will.
   
   Remember, their definition of heaven on earth is the establishment
   of a vedic civilisation (or what their idea of one is) and that
   will only happen with everyone on the programme. This is how they
   think. Well, not think, it's what they were trained to do. It's
   going to be the deepest thing in Bevans life. Not just his job but
   his whole raison d'etre.
   
   
 In the UK, if you want to join the community in Skelmersdale
 you have to watch a tape where the head of the UK movement
 states as clearly as possible that they are quite happy for
 people to experiment with other techniques or see other teachers,
 just don't do it there. I agree with it, decide which boat
 you are in or you'll end up trying to go in two directions at
 once. Which never works.
 

Life is a one way street and all that encompasses this journey and 
brings happiness to the self and those who you wish around you, this is 
all the same direction!
   
   Tell them that. As I point out they are happy for you to do
   whatever you want. Somewhere else.
   
   
Like saying one should only speak English and not learn Japanese, 
French, Italian, Hindi?because it MIGHT confuse a child learning?
Math and dance do not coexist?
Painting and Poetry are two different mediums of expression, so stick 
to only one?
   
   Poor analogy. If you were to try speaking English and Japanese at 
   the same time you would encounter serious confusion. Which is a good
   analogy of what the TMO think will happen if you mix stuff up in 
   the dome - it won't be as effective as just speaking one language.
  
  Ah, no. Tell that to my friends who are multilingual and learned at the 
  same time. Tell that to Rosetta Stone. What common languages all share, 
  helps the knower with the knowing of the known and that is the reason Latin 
  was useful in High Schools at one time to help understand where these words 
  share common meanings. 
  I can learn better with more than one of anything in front of me! 
  Explain that? ha
 
 OK, it didn't work, the learning two languages analogy* was a 
 metaphor for *mixing* meditation, the TMO think it can't be done without 
 lessening what they 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies

[doctordumbass]

I'm sorry, I am having trouble hearing you, because your head is so far up 
Barry's ass...Speak up!

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote:

 then why keep blathering on about his obsession?
 
 
 
 
 
  From: doctordumbass@... doctordumbass@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 12:41 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's  Anti-Saint Policies
  
 
 
   
 I could not care less about what Barry's, or your, intent may be. Forty years 
 is an awfully long time to be doing the same thing, and expecting a different 
 result. That is commonly referred to as insanity. That is why I made the 
 statement I did about happily living on a different continent from him. I 
 don't dig his shit, though you seem to enjoy doing so.
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote:
 
  I think Barry is hoping beyond hope that you who practice will wake up from 
  the dream and act like you got some sense like me and Barry and Curtis, et 
  al. Even Barry as much sense as he seems to have might have a forlorn hope. 
  
  
  
  
  
   From: doctordumbass@ doctordumbass@
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 9:16 AM
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's  Anti-Saint Policies
  
  
  
    
  Actually much more pathetic to have QUIT TM OVER 40 YEARS AGO, and yet, 
  still remain obsessed with who does it, and for how long, and how it is now 
  being marketed, and who Maharishi was, or wasn't, and your opinion on those 
  in the TM Org, and how the sidhis work, and what they do or do not do, etc, 
  etc, etc. 
  
  Fuck dude, you spend a lot more time on TM, than most of us do, who 
  actually practice it! 
  
  Its a really odd thing, this addiction of yours, to something you haven't 
  done for most of your life. You are unique in that way. Among  anyone I 
  have ever known, or met, or taught in class, or spoke with on a plane, or 
  had a conversation with at a party, or at work, or written to, I have NEVER 
  MET someone with an obsession like yours, who had nothing whatsoever to do 
  with the object of their obsession. I have never seen this behavior before. 
  
  As a result, I am really glad you live on a different continent, than I do. 
  :-)
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote:
  
   Not to *mention* the fact that Judy has *never* been
   involved with the TM organization,
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies

[authfriend]

Of course, if we want to be ethical and not badmouth
someone behind his back, it doesn't matter that we
*think* he's reading the traffic. We don't do it unless
we *know* he is, as I indicated to Share. But neither
Share nor Steve is ethical enough or smart enough to
understand this.



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@... wrote:

 Share,
 If I were an odds maker, I'd put the odds at 90% that Robin reads every
 post on this site. Probably in Starbucks right now reading this.
 Hey Robin, what it is?  What's your take on the Hawks/Bruins final? 
 Como sa va.
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
 
  Judy, you can plonk all you want, but can you prove that Robin is in
 fact, as you originally said in your criticism of Susan, not around to
 defend himself? Meaning not reading posts though obviously he is not
 writing posts in response?
 
 
 
 
  
   From: authfriend authfriend@
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 10:50 AM
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's  Anti-Saint Policies
 
 
 
  Â
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote:
  
   Judy, given that others sometimes read posts but don't write posts
 
  *plonk*
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies

[Share Long]

And has Judy never once badmouthed Curtis or Vaj or SalSunshine when they are 
not reading the traffic?





 From: authfriend authfri...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 3:00 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's  Anti-Saint Policies
 


  

Of course, if we want to be ethical and not badmouth
someone behind his back, it doesn't matter that we
*think* he's reading the traffic. We don't do it unless
we *know* he is, as I indicated to Share. But neither
Share nor Steve is ethical enough or smart enough to
understand this.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@... wrote:

 Share,
 If I were an odds maker, I'd put the odds at 90% that Robin reads every
 post on this site. Probably in Starbucks right now reading this.
 Hey Robin, what it is?  What's your take on the Hawks/Bruins final? 
 Como sa va.
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
 
  Judy, you can plonk all you want, but can you prove that Robin is in
 fact, as you originally said in your criticism of Susan, not around to
 defend himself? Meaning not reading posts though obviously he is not
 writing posts in response?
 
 
 
 
  
   From: authfriend authfriend@
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 10:50 AM
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's  Anti-Saint Policies
 
 
 
  Â
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote:
  
   Judy, given that others sometimes read posts but don't write posts
 
  *plonk*
 



 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote:

 And has Judy never once badmouthed Curtis or Vaj or SalSunshine
 when they are not reading the traffic?

Yes, I'm sure I've slipped up a couple of times when I
wasn't *sure* they were reading the traffic, no doubt
about it. That doesn't mean it's OK to do it.

But note that Share has it wrong above. As I said, she's
not ethical enough or smart enough to understand the
principle.


 
  From: authfriend authfriend@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 3:00 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's  Anti-Saint Policies
  
 
 
   
 
 Of course, if we want to be ethical and not badmouth
 someone behind his back, it doesn't matter that we
 *think* he's reading the traffic. We don't do it unless
 we *know* he is, as I indicated to Share. But neither
 Share nor Steve is ethical enough or smart enough to
 understand this.
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@ wrote:
 
  Share,
  If I were an odds maker, I'd put the odds at 90% that Robin reads every
  post on this site. Probably in Starbucks right now reading this.
  Hey Robin, what it is?  What's your take on the Hawks/Bruins final? 
  Como sa va.
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
  
   Judy, you can plonk all you want, but can you prove that Robin is in
  fact, as you originally said in your criticism of Susan, not around to
  defend himself? Meaning not reading posts though obviously he is not
  writing posts in response?
  
  
  
  
   
From: authfriend authfriend@
   To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 10:50 AM
   Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's  Anti-Saint Policies
  
  
  
   Â
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote:
   
Judy, given that others sometimes read posts but don't write posts
  
   *plonk*
  
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies

[card]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote:

 
 *And you can't talk two languages *at the same time* without talking
 gibberish, now can you.


Yes, ich kann! I bin a sprecher von zwei languages.

Licht thickens und der Crow macht wing zu den rooky Wood.
Good Sachen von the Tag fangen droop and drowse an!

[FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies

[salyavin808]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, card cardemaister@... wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote:
 
  
  *And you can't talk two languages *at the same time* without talking
  gibberish, now can you.
 
 
 Yes, ich kann! I bin a sprecher von zwei languages.
 
 Licht thickens und der Crow macht wing zu den rooky Wood.
 Good Sachen von the Tag fangen droop and drowse an!

I think that's just one language Card. Or google translate
is better than I thought!

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies

[Michael Jackson]

and its not obsessing for for  you to post over and over about Benjy Creme and 
his bullshit predictions and the crop circles and all the proof that exists 
that they are made by aliens?

its obsessing if the POV disagrees with yours and functioning like Gabriel 
blowing his Horn if it agrees with your POV





 From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 2:14 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's  Anti-Saint Policies
 


  

  From: doctordumbass@... doctordumbass@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 9:16 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's  Anti-Saint Policies
 
 
 
   
 Actually much more pathetic to have QUIT TM OVER 40 YEARS AGO, and yet, still 
 remain obsessed with who does it, and for how long, and how it is now being 
 marketed, and who Maharishi was, or wasn't, and your opinion on those in the 
 TM Org, and how the sidhis work, and what they do or do not do, etc, etc, 
 etc. 
 
 Fuck dude, you spend a lot more time on TM, than most of us do, who actually 
 practice it! 
 
 Its a really odd thing, this addiction of yours, to something you haven't 
 done for most of your life. You are unique in that way. Among  anyone I have 
 ever known, or met, or taught in class, or spoke with on a plane, or had a 
 conversation with at a party, or at work, or written to, I have NEVER MET 
 someone with an obsession like yours, who had nothing whatsoever to do with 
 the object of their obsession. I have never seen this behavior before. 
 
 As a result, I am really glad you live on a different continent, than I do. 
 :-)

This, the Turqs obsession with the TMO, has been pointed out again and again 
for years now. How can a person who left something, anything, more than 40 (!) 
years ago keep obsessing and still claim to be sane ? In my book it's simply 
not possible.


 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies

[obbajeeba]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, card cardemaister@... wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote:
 
  
  *And you can't talk two languages *at the same time* without talking
  gibberish, now can you.
 
 
 Yes, ich kann! I bin a sprecher von zwei languages.
 
 Licht thickens und der Crow macht wing zu den rooky Wood.
 Good Sachen von the Tag fangen droop and drowse an!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJBzJF_-cBA

[FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies

[turquoiseb]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@... wrote:

 Share,
 If I were an odds maker, I'd put the odds at 90% that 
 Robin reads every post on this site. Probably in 
 Starbucks right now reading this.

That's a non-bet. Just look how fast he came
back last time when he noticed that Curtis was
here. 

He reads everything posted here just on the off
chance someone will say something about *him*. 
That's just what people suffering from Narcissist 
Personality Disorder DO. 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... no_reply@... wrote:

 I'm sorry, I am having trouble hearing you, because your head is so far up 
 Barry's ass...Speak up!


HaHa :-)

 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote:
 
  then why keep blathering on about his obsession?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@ wrote:
 
  Share,
  If I were an odds maker, I'd put the odds at 90% that 
  Robin reads every post on this site. Probably in 
  Starbucks right now reading this.
 
 That's a non-bet. Just look how fast he came
 back last time when he noticed that Curtis was
 here.

Love it, love it, love it. Barry unerringly shoots
himself in both feet.

If you were Barry, wouldn't you want to check the
dates in question before you made such an assertion?

Curtis had been here for *three weeks* before Robin
came back, having made a total of 94 posts during
that period.

 He reads everything posted here just on the off
 chance someone will say something about *him*. 
 That's just what people suffering from Narcissist 
 Personality Disorder DO.

And wouldn't you want to check the post that brought
Robin back before you suggested it said something 
about Robin?

Robin's first post was in response to particularly
nasty comments of Barry's on a post of feste's, which
had nothing whatsoever to do with Robin. Nor did it
have anything to do with Curtis.

It was *Curtis* who decided to engage Robin now that
*Robin* was back. Curtis immediately leaped to defend
Barry. That's how that exchange started.

Notice, by the way, that Barry can't make up his mind
whether it was Curtis who lured Robin back, or a post
in which someone mentioned Robin.

Between the time Robin left at the end of December and
when he came back to lambaste Barry, there had been
probably around 150 posts mentioning Robin--including
two from Curtis badmouthing him, the first one the day
after Curtis returned, the second a week later. Yet
it was another two weeks before Robin showed up to
take Barry apart for his post to feste.

Barry isn't *lying*. It's just that he's so used to
living in his imagination that he genuinely thinks 
it's reality.

Plus which, from the very beginning of Robin's tenure
on FFL, Barry has been eaten alive by jealousy because
Robin has gotten so much more attention than Barry has.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies

[Buck]

 the meditating movement does not believe or hold them as 
  articles of faith like our TM-taliban does.  We got a problem with 
  a few ultra-preservationist meditators in the middle of everything 
  holding the Meissner Effect [ME] and the Dome meditation hostage 
  with their own faith about things.
  -Buck in the Dome
   
   Now, whatever of the above points might be true, or not,  things 
   are different in  this day and age it is a fact that people will 
   easily be able to look at other methods to meditate, calm 
   themselves, or evolve.  To assume that once a person learns TM 
   they will never be curious about another program or teacher or 
   saint is ludicrous. And so is the assumption that they should be 
   excluded from the good graces of the TMO if they do widen their 
   horizons.The TMO has to make a decision soon: to continue to 
   strictly follow MMYs policy from about 1970, or to soften up and 
   realize how different our world is now and how infantalizing the 
   old policy is. 
   
How simple it would be to just scrap the whole department that 
   deals with the blacklisting and gatekeeping.  Just say the Domes 
   are only for the practice of TM and TMSP, but all who agree to do 
   this are welcome. Welcome back.
   
   Everyone around the Prime Minister is saying they are only 
   waiting for the guy to die to resolve the conflict.  However in 
   mediation let us hope for a communal peace and reconciliation in 
   a large group meditation before then.  
-Buck

  
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson 
 mjackson74@ wrote:
 
  what you fail to take into consideration is that your 
  Taliban-like leaders took their cue from Marshy himself and 
  that YEARS of TM, TMSP, rounding, and being around Marshy 
  has led them to this pass - draw - my suggestion is get out 
  before you waste anymore time, effort, energy and money. 
  
 
 
 Son, what I truly wish is for moderation to return to the 
 Country of Global Peace. This is my only wish. Extremism 
 pains me greatly. We have suffered many blows as a result of 
 extremism.
 -Buck
 
  
  
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's  Anti-Saint 
  Policies
  
  
  
    
  
  Repealing TM's  Anti-Saint Policies
  
  Urgently A  'repeal movement' is clearly needed now to 
  save the TM movement.  A repeal of the anti-saint policies 
  if only to sustain a meditation group for the Dome 
  meditation numbers.  A meditation without fear.  The TM 
  movement's anti-saint policies have long bred hypocrisy and 
  contempt for the movement and its leadership inside and 
  outside the meditating community.  We need only look at the 
  decades  long slide in numbers meditating or the Dome 
  meditation numbers.  They are down and it is an uphill 
  fight to get numbers back against the hard-heads on top.  
  Simply to save the Dome numbers meditating there needs to 
  come along a flat out repeal movement against these Dome 
  policies.  The Dome policies and guidelines have clearly 
  failed to sustain our numbers and it is time and has become 
  our larger responsibility to change those guidelines with 
  repeal.  The Taliban-like leaders of the movement with 
  their anti-saint policies have made for a TM movement of
   corruption, liars and hypocrites.  More than reforming, 
  the time is come for the repeal of the anti-saint polices 
  to save the Dome meditating program; Repeal now the 
  anti-saint guidelines to save the Dome numbers.  The saints 
  are returning soon again.  It is a fact of life.  Repeal 
  the TM-Anti-Saint policies now to save the Domes before it 
  is too late..  The time has come to make your voice heard 
  and join the Anti-Saint repeal movement for all our 
  benefit.
  
  
   Repealing TM's anti-saint policies it seems has terribly 
   strong parallels to the context of the 18th Amendment 
   'Repeal Movement' in the 20th Century.  Take a look at 
   this short piece on Pauline Sabin of the movement to 
   repeal the 18th amendment:  A theme of the undoing of the 
   'dry's' from early was their own self-destruct of 
   unbending policies in the face of a reality.   Sort of 
   like TM's movement administration trying to restrict and 
   prohibit its own people from visiting other saints and 
   holy people and only relying on its own TM

[FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies

[seventhray27]

well, I wish you were right.  but right now it's 2 goals-0 Bruins, end
of the second period.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, card wrote:



 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@
wrote:

  What's your take on the Hawks/Bruins final? 


 I'm afraid Mr. Rask wont be able to save the Bruins
 even once more... :´/

[FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies

[seventhray27]

I'm just happy for you Judy.  This subject lets you engage in all your
favorite activities - bashing Barry, bashing Xexo, bashing Share,
bashing me, mind reading, and most of all, defending (IYO) the ultimate
hero, R.W. Carlsen.

You've been waiting a couple weeks for this kind of action.




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote:


 Of course, if we want to be ethical and not badmouth
 someone behind his back, it doesn't matter that we
 *think* he's reading the traffic. We don't do it unless
 we *know* he is, as I indicated to Share. But neither
 Share nor Steve is ethical enough or smart enough to
 understand this.



 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@
wrote:
 
  Share,
  If I were an odds maker, I'd put the odds at 90% that Robin reads
every
  post on this site. Probably in Starbucks right now reading this.
  Hey Robin, what it is? What's your take on the Hawks/Bruins final?
  Como sa va.
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote:
  
   Judy, you can plonk all you want, but can you prove that Robin is
in
  fact, as you originally said in your criticism of Susan, not around
to
  defend himself? Meaning not reading posts though obviously he is not
  writing posts in response?
  
  
  
  
   
   From: authfriend authfriend@
   To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 10:50 AM
   Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies
  
  
  
   Â
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@
wrote:
   
Judy, given that others sometimes read posts but don't write
posts
  
   *plonk*
  
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies

[seventhray27]

Shh! Shh! Share.  You wouldn't want Judy to win the Master of
Inadvertent Irony Award for maybe the tenth week in a row.

Or maybe now, we can call it the *plonking* Award. (-:


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote:

 And has Judy never once badmouthed Curtis or Vaj or SalSunshine when
they are not reading the traffic?




 
 From: authfriend authfriend@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 3:00 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies



 Â

 Of course, if we want to be ethical and not badmouth
 someone behind his back, it doesn't matter that we
 *think* he's reading the traffic. We don't do it unless
 we *know* he is, as I indicated to Share. But neither
 Share nor Steve is ethical enough or smart enough to
 understand this.

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@
wrote:
 
  Share,
  If I were an odds maker, I'd put the odds at 90% that Robin reads
every
  post on this site. Probably in Starbucks right now reading this.
  Hey Robin, what it is? What's your take on the Hawks/Bruins final?
  Como sa va.
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote:
  
   Judy, you can plonk all you want, but can you prove that Robin is
in
  fact, as you originally said in your criticism of Susan, not around
to
  defend himself? Meaning not reading posts though obviously he is not
  writing posts in response?
  
  
  
  
   
   From: authfriend authfriend@
   To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 10:50 AM
   Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies
  
  
  
   Â
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@
wrote:
   
Judy, given that others sometimes read posts but don't write
posts
  
   *plonk*
  
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies

[Buck]

 of 
approaches. Third, the TMO and MMY would suffer if the public 
noticed that TM'ers were still looking for help to solve their 
own issues or to find a better Master.  Fourth, a belief that 
TM was the best way and pretty much the only way to 
enlightenment.
   
   
   Yes the [TM sufficiency articles] held by the tru-believers, 
   except clearly the meditating movement does not believe or hold 
   them as articles of faith like our TM-taliban does.  We got a 
   problem with a few ultra-preservationist meditators in the middle 
   of everything holding the Meissner Effect [ME] and the Dome 
   meditation hostage with their own faith about things.
   -Buck in the Dome

Now, whatever of the above points might be true, or not,  
things are different in  this day and age it is a fact that 
people will easily be able to look at other methods to 
meditate, calm themselves, or evolve.  To assume that once a 
person learns TM they will never be curious about another 
program or teacher or saint is ludicrous. And so is the 
assumption that they should be excluded from the good graces of 
the TMO if they do widen their horizons.The TMO has to make a 
decision soon: to continue to strictly follow MMYs policy from 
about 1970, or to soften up and realize how different our world 
is now and how infantalizing the old policy is. 

 How simple it would be to just scrap the whole department that 
deals with the blacklisting and gatekeeping.  Just say the 
Domes are only for the practice of TM and TMSP, but all who 
agree to do this are welcome. Welcome back.

Everyone around the Prime Minister is saying they are only 
waiting for the guy to die to resolve the conflict.  However in 
mediation let us hope for a communal peace and reconciliation 
in a large group meditation before then.  
 -Buck
 
   
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson 
  mjackson74@ wrote:
  
   what you fail to take into consideration is that your 
   Taliban-like leaders took their cue from Marshy himself 
   and that YEARS of TM, TMSP, rounding, and being around 
   Marshy has led them to this pass - draw - my suggestion 
   is get out before you waste anymore time, effort, energy 
   and money. 
   
  
  
  Son, what I truly wish is for moderation to return to the 
  Country of Global Peace. This is my only wish. Extremism 
  pains me greatly. We have suffered many blows as a result 
  of extremism.
  -Buck
  
   
   
   Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's  Anti-Saint 
   Policies
   
   
   
     
   
   Repealing TM's  Anti-Saint Policies
   
   Urgently A  'repeal movement' is clearly needed now to 
   save the TM movement.  A repeal of the anti-saint 
   policies if only to sustain a meditation group for the 
   Dome meditation numbers.  A meditation without fear.  The 
   TM movement's anti-saint policies have long bred 
   hypocrisy and contempt for the movement and its 
   leadership inside and outside the meditating community.  
   We need only look at the decades  long slide in numbers 
   meditating or the Dome meditation numbers.  They are down 
   and it is an uphill fight to get numbers back against the 
   hard-heads on top.  Simply to save the Dome numbers 
   meditating there needs to come along a flat out repeal 
   movement against these Dome policies.  The Dome policies 
   and guidelines have clearly failed to sustain our numbers 
   and it is time and has become our larger responsibility 
   to change those guidelines with repeal.  The Taliban-like 
   leaders of the movement with their anti-saint policies 
   have made for a TM movement of
corruption, liars and hypocrites.  More than reforming, 
   the time is come for the repeal of the anti-saint polices 
   to save the Dome meditating program; Repeal now the 
   anti-saint guidelines to save the Dome numbers.  The 
   saints are returning soon again.  It is a fact of life.  
   Repeal the TM-Anti-Saint policies now to save the Domes 
   before it is too late..  The time has come to make your 
   voice heard and join the Anti-Saint repeal movement for 
   all our benefit.
   
   
Repealing TM's anti-saint policies it seems has 
terribly strong parallels to the context of the 18th

[FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies

[Susan]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote:
 
  As the Global Country of World Peace exists only in the minds of those too 
  blind to see Marshy's legacy for what it was, a scam, you are in danger of 
  losing nothing and the extremism you speak of has existed for decades - it 
  ain't gonna change now, Pappy.
  
 
 
 It seems that extremists on both sides are determined to maintain the state 
 of hostility and hatred between the two positions, but logic says that there 
 should be a change of direction in order to turn a new page in this unstable 
 relationship and minimize the state of hostility and mistrust between the two 
 positions. 

From what I recall, there were 4 reasons MMY forbid looking elsewhere:  First, 
to protect people from getting sidetracked from the TM path and onto a 
flashier but less evolutionary method. The assumption here was that TMers were 
in many cases unable to discern the difference between the Real Deal and 
lesser and possibly harmful crap (ie Robin Carlson, etc). Second, there is 
value in sticking with a single path and not diluting it with other ways and 
creating a mishmash of approaches. Third, the TMO and MMY would suffer if the 
public noticed that TM'ers were still looking for help to solve their own 
issues or to find a better Master.  Fourth, a belief that TM was the best way 
and pretty much the only way to enlightenment.

Now, whatever of the above points might be true, or not,  things are different 
in  this day and age it is a fact that people will easily be able to look at 
other methods to meditate, calm themselves, or evolve.  To assume that once a 
person learns TM they will never be curious about another program or teacher or 
saint is ludicrous. And so is the assumption that they should be excluded from 
the good graces of the TMO if they do widen their horizons.The TMO has to make 
a decision soon: to continue to strictly follow MMYs policy from about 1970, 
or to soften up and realize how different our world is now and how 
infantalizing the old policy is. 

 How simple it would be to just scrap the whole department that deals with the 
blacklisting and gatekeeping.  Just say the Domes are only for the practice of 
TM and TMSP, but all who agree to do this are welcome. Welcome back.

Everyone around the Prime Minister is saying they are only waiting for the guy 
to die to resolve the conflict.  However in mediation let us hope for a 
communal peace and reconciliation in a large group meditation before then.  
 -Buck
 
   
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote:
  
   what you fail to take into consideration is that your Taliban-like 
   leaders took their cue from Marshy himself and that YEARS of TM, TMSP, 
   rounding, and being around Marshy has led them to this pass - draw - my 
   suggestion is get out before you waste anymore time, effort, energy and 
   money. 
   
  
  
  Son, what I truly wish is for moderation to return to the Country of Global 
  Peace. This is my only wish. Extremism pains me greatly. We have suffered 
  many blows as a result of extremism.
  -Buck
  
   
   
   Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's  Anti-Saint Policies
   
   
   
     
   
   Repealing TM's  Anti-Saint Policies
   
   Urgently A  'repeal movement' is clearly needed now to save the TM 
   movement.  A repeal of the anti-saint policies if only to sustain a 
   meditation group for the Dome meditation numbers.  A meditation without 
   fear.  The TM movement's anti-saint policies have long bred hypocrisy and 
   contempt for the movement and its leadership inside and outside the 
   meditating community.  We need only look at the decades  long slide in 
   numbers meditating or the Dome meditation numbers.  They are down and it 
   is an uphill fight to get numbers back against the hard-heads on top.  
   Simply to save the Dome numbers meditating there needs to come along a 
   flat out repeal movement against these Dome policies.  The Dome policies 
   and guidelines have clearly failed to sustain our numbers and it is time 
   and has become our larger responsibility to change those guidelines with 
   repeal.  The Taliban-like leaders of the movement with their anti-saint 
   policies have made for a TM movement of
corruption, liars and hypocrites.  More than reforming, the time is come 
   for the repeal of the anti-saint polices to save the Dome meditating 
   program; Repeal now the anti-saint guidelines to save the Dome numbers.  
   The saints are returning soon again.  It is a fact of life.  Repeal the 
   TM-Anti-Saint policies now to save the Domes before it is too late..  The 
   time has come to make your voice heard and join the Anti-Saint repeal 
   movement for all our benefit.
   
   
Repealing TM's anti-saint policies it seems has terribly strong 
parallels to the context

[FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies

[Buck]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@... wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote:
 
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote:
  
   As the Global Country of World Peace exists only in the minds of those 
   too blind to see Marshy's legacy for what it was, a scam, you are in 
   danger of losing nothing and the extremism you speak of has existed for 
   decades - it ain't gonna change now, Pappy.
   
  
  
  It seems that extremists on both sides are determined to maintain the state 
  of hostility and hatred between the two positions, but logic says that 
  there should be a change of direction in order to turn a new page in this 
  unstable relationship and minimize the state of hostility and mistrust 
  between the two positions. 
 
 From what I recall, there were 4 reasons MMY forbid looking elsewhere:  
 First, to protect people from getting sidetracked from the TM path and onto a 
 flashier but less evolutionary method. The assumption here was that TMers 
 were in many cases unable to discern the difference between the Real Deal and 
 lesser and possibly harmful crap (ie Robin Carlson, etc). Second, there is 
 value in sticking with a single path and not diluting it with other ways 
 and creating a mishmash of approaches. Third, the TMO and MMY would suffer if 
 the public noticed that TM'ers were still looking for help to solve their own 
 issues or to find a better Master.  Fourth, a belief that TM was the best way 
 and pretty much the only way to enlightenment.


Yes the [TM sufficiency articles] held by the tru-believers, except clearly the 
meditating movement does not believe or hold them as articles of faith like our 
TM-taliban does.  We got a problem with a few ultra-preservationist meditators 
in the middle of everything holding the Meissner Effect [ME] and the Dome 
meditation hostage with their own faith about things.
-Buck in the Dome
 
 Now, whatever of the above points might be true, or not,  things are 
 different in  this day and age it is a fact that people will easily be able 
 to look at other methods to meditate, calm themselves, or evolve.  To assume 
 that once a person learns TM they will never be curious about another program 
 or teacher or saint is ludicrous. And so is the assumption that they should 
 be excluded from the good graces of the TMO if they do widen their 
 horizons.The TMO has to make a decision soon: to continue to strictly follow 
 MMYs policy from about 1970, or to soften up and realize how different our 
 world is now and how infantalizing the old policy is. 
 
  How simple it would be to just scrap the whole department that deals with 
 the blacklisting and gatekeeping.  Just say the Domes are only for the 
 practice of TM and TMSP, but all who agree to do this are welcome. Welcome 
 back.
 
 Everyone around the Prime Minister is saying they are only waiting for the 
 guy to die to resolve the conflict.  However in mediation let us hope for a 
 communal peace and reconciliation in a large group meditation before then.  
  -Buck
  
    
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote:
   
what you fail to take into consideration is that your Taliban-like 
leaders took their cue from Marshy himself and that YEARS of TM, TMSP, 
rounding, and being around Marshy has led them to this pass - draw - my 
suggestion is get out before you waste anymore time, effort, energy and 
money. 

   
   
   Son, what I truly wish is for moderation to return to the Country of 
   Global Peace. This is my only wish. Extremism pains me greatly. We have 
   suffered many blows as a result of extremism.
   -Buck
   


Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's  Anti-Saint Policies



  

Repealing TM's  Anti-Saint Policies

Urgently A  'repeal movement' is clearly needed now to save the TM 
movement.  A repeal of the anti-saint policies if only to sustain a 
meditation group for the Dome meditation numbers.  A meditation without 
fear.  The TM movement's anti-saint policies have long bred hypocrisy 
and contempt for the movement and its leadership inside and outside the 
meditating community.  We need only look at the decades  long slide in 
numbers meditating or the Dome meditation numbers.  They are down and 
it is an uphill fight to get numbers back against the hard-heads on 
top.  Simply to save the Dome numbers meditating there needs to come 
along a flat out repeal movement against these Dome policies.  The Dome 
policies and guidelines have clearly failed to sustain our numbers and 
it is time and has become our larger responsibility to change those 
guidelines with repeal.  The Taliban-like leaders of the movement with 
their anti-saint policies have made for a TM movement of
 corruption, liars and hypocrites.  More than reforming

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies

[Michael Jackson]

The Meissner effect is an expulsion of a magnetic field from a superconductor 
during its transition to the superconducting state.

that don't have shit to do with a Hindu devotional practice done to receive the 
favor of various Goddesses which is what Ultra Hindu Fanatic Marshy the Con 
Artist gave to everyone under the guise of calling a simple, natural mental 
technique practiced 20 minutes twice a day. Of course if George Harrison had 
known it was a Hindu devotional practice, he would never have had to go over to 
the Hare Krishnas.






 From: Buck dhamiltony...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2013 9:42 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's  Anti-Saint Policies
 


  


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@... wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote:
 
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote:
  
   As the Global Country of World Peace exists only in the minds of those 
   too blind to see Marshy's legacy for what it was, a scam, you are in 
   danger of losing nothing and the extremism you speak of has existed for 
   decades - it ain't gonna change now, Pappy.
   
  
  
  It seems that extremists on both sides are determined to maintain the state 
  of hostility and hatred between the two positions, but logic says that 
  there should be a change of direction in order to turn a new page in this 
  unstable relationship and minimize the state of hostility and mistrust 
  between the two positions. 
 
 From what I recall, there were 4 reasons MMY forbid looking elsewhere:  
 First, to protect people from getting sidetracked from the TM path and onto a 
 flashier but less evolutionary method. The assumption here was that TMers 
 were in many cases unable to discern the difference between the Real Deal and 
 lesser and possibly harmful crap (ie Robin Carlson, etc). Second, there is 
 value in sticking with a single path and not diluting it with other ways 
 and creating a mishmash of approaches. Third, the TMO and MMY would suffer if 
 the public noticed that TM'ers were still looking for help to solve their own 
 issues or to find a better Master.  Fourth, a belief that TM was the best way 
 and pretty much the only way to enlightenment.


Yes the [TM sufficiency articles] held by the tru-believers, except clearly the 
meditating movement does not believe or hold them as articles of faith like our 
TM-taliban does.  We got a problem with a few ultra-preservationist meditators 
in the middle of everything holding the Meissner Effect [ME] and the Dome 
meditation hostage with their own faith about things.
-Buck in the Dome

 Now, whatever of the above points might be true, or not,  things are 
 different in  this day and age it is a fact that people will easily be able 
 to look at other methods to meditate, calm themselves, or evolve.  To assume 
 that once a person learns TM they will never be curious about another program 
 or teacher or saint is ludicrous. And so is the assumption that they should 
 be excluded from the good graces of the TMO if they do widen their 
 horizons.The TMO has to make a decision soon: to continue to strictly follow 
 MMYs policy from about 1970, or to soften up and realize how different our 
 world is now and how infantalizing the old policy is. 
 
  How simple it would be to just scrap the whole department that deals with 
 the blacklisting and gatekeeping.  Just say the Domes are only for the 
 practice of TM and TMSP, but all who agree to do this are welcome. Welcome 
 back.
 
 Everyone around the Prime Minister is saying they are only waiting for the 
 guy to die to resolve the conflict.  However in mediation let us hope for a 
 communal peace and reconciliation in a large group meditation before then. 
  -Buck
  
    
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote:
   
what you fail to take into consideration is that your Taliban-like 
leaders took their cue from Marshy himself and that YEARS of TM, TMSP, 
rounding, and being around Marshy has led them to this pass - draw - my 
suggestion is get out before you waste anymore time, effort, energy and 
money. 

   
   
   Son, what I truly wish is for moderation to return to the Country of 
   Global Peace. This is my only wish. Extremism pains me greatly. We have 
   suffered many blows as a result of extremism.
   -Buck
   


Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's  Anti-Saint Policies



  

Repealing TM's  Anti-Saint Policies

Urgently A  'repeal movement' is clearly needed now to save the TM 
movement.  A repeal of the anti-saint policies if only to sustain a 
meditation group for the Dome meditation numbers.  A meditation without 
fear.  The TM movement's anti-saint policies have long bred hypocrisy 
and contempt for the movement and its

[FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies

[Buck]

Yep, using the Dome badge as punishment in fealty test over people while hoping 
to git a large and proper Meissner Effect out of the Domes is insurmountably 
impossible without a change in the leadership and/or the TM-anti-saint 
guidelines.  A large change is needed right now from within TM.   
-Buck

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck  wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@ wrote:
 
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote:
  
   
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote:
   
As the Global Country of World Peace exists only in the minds of those 
too blind to see Marshy's legacy for what it was, a scam, you are in 
danger of losing nothing and the extremism you speak of has existed for 
decades - it ain't gonna change now, Pappy.

   
   
   It seems that extremists on both sides are determined to maintain the 
   state of hostility and hatred between the two positions, but logic says 
   that there should be a change of direction in order to turn a new page in 
   this unstable relationship and minimize the state of hostility and 
   mistrust between the two positions. 
  
  From what I recall, there were 4 reasons MMY forbid looking elsewhere:  
  First, to protect people from getting sidetracked from the TM path and onto 
  a flashier but less evolutionary method. The assumption here was that TMers 
  were in many cases unable to discern the difference between the Real Deal 
  and lesser and possibly harmful crap (ie Robin Carlson, etc). Second, there 
  is value in sticking with a single path and not diluting it with other 
  ways and creating a mishmash of approaches. Third, the TMO and MMY would 
  suffer if the public noticed that TM'ers were still looking for help to 
  solve their own issues or to find a better Master.  Fourth, a belief that 
  TM was the best way and pretty much the only way to enlightenment.
 
 
 Yes the [TM sufficiency articles] held by the tru-believers, except clearly 
 the meditating movement does not believe or hold them as articles of faith 
 like our TM-taliban does.  We got a problem with a few ultra-preservationist 
 meditators in the middle of everything holding the Meissner Effect [ME] and 
 the Dome meditation hostage with their own faith about things.
 -Buck in the Dome
  
  Now, whatever of the above points might be true, or not,  things are 
  different in  this day and age it is a fact that people will easily be able 
  to look at other methods to meditate, calm themselves, or evolve.  To 
  assume that once a person learns TM they will never be curious about 
  another program or teacher or saint is ludicrous. And so is the assumption 
  that they should be excluded from the good graces of the TMO if they do 
  widen their horizons.The TMO has to make a decision soon: to continue to 
  strictly follow MMYs policy from about 1970, or to soften up and realize 
  how different our world is now and how infantalizing the old policy is. 
  
   How simple it would be to just scrap the whole department that deals with 
  the blacklisting and gatekeeping.  Just say the Domes are only for the 
  practice of TM and TMSP, but all who agree to do this are welcome. Welcome 
  back.
  
  Everyone around the Prime Minister is saying they are only waiting for the 
  guy to die to resolve the conflict.  However in mediation let us hope for a 
  communal peace and reconciliation in a large group meditation before then.  
   -Buck
   
     

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ 
wrote:

 what you fail to take into consideration is that your Taliban-like 
 leaders took their cue from Marshy himself and that YEARS of TM, 
 TMSP, rounding, and being around Marshy has led them to this pass - 
 draw - my suggestion is get out before you waste anymore time, 
 effort, energy and money. 
 


Son, what I truly wish is for moderation to return to the Country of 
Global Peace. This is my only wish. Extremism pains me greatly. We have 
suffered many blows as a result of extremism.
-Buck

 
 
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's  Anti-Saint Policies
 
 
 
   
 
 Repealing TM's  Anti-Saint Policies
 
 Urgently A  'repeal movement' is clearly needed now to save the TM 
 movement.  A repeal of the anti-saint policies if only to sustain a 
 meditation group for the Dome meditation numbers.  A meditation 
 without fear.  The TM movement's anti-saint policies have long bred 
 hypocrisy and contempt for the movement and its leadership inside and 
 outside the meditating community.  We need only look at the decades  
 long slide in numbers meditating or the Dome meditation numbers.  
 They are down and it is an uphill fight to get numbers back against 
 the hard-heads on top.  Simply to save the Dome numbers

[FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@... wrote:
(snip)
 From what I recall, there were 4 reasons MMY forbid looking 
 elsewhere:  First, to protect people from getting sidetracked
 from the TM path and onto a flashier but less evolutionary
 method. The assumption here was that TMers were in many cases
 unable to discern the difference between the Real Deal and
 lesser and possibly harmful crap (ie Robin Carlson, etc).

(Carlsen.)

Wayback, since you are obviously not that familiar with
Robin's deal, you probably shouldn't use him as an
example.

Without going into a long dissertation, possibly the most
important thing to know in this context is that according
to Peter Sutphen, Bevan said Maharishi had ordered him,
Bevan, to leave Robin alone when Robin showed up at MIU
with his group. Bevan ignored Maharishi's instruction,
and a big public mess was the result.

Robin and his followers were completely dedicated to
Maharishi. Maharishi had kept his eye on Robin when he
was teaching in Canada (at that point most of his
group were TM initiators) but never interfered.

Bottom line, Robin was an anomaly, not an example of
the lesser and possibly harmful crap Maharishi wanted
to protect TMers from.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote:

 The Meissner effect is an expulsion of a magnetic field from a superconductor 
 during its transition to the superconducting state.
 
 that don't have shit to do with a Hindu devotional practice done to receive 
 the favor of various Goddesses 


Instead of making more new and wild claims, why don't you answer the question 
put to you by  Steve : 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote:

 Unbelievable how ignorant people can be.

and how many hours of channeling do you have under your belt?

 
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies

[Susan]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@ wrote:
 (snip)
  From what I recall, there were 4 reasons MMY forbid looking 
  elsewhere:  First, to protect people from getting sidetracked
  from the TM path and onto a flashier but less evolutionary
  method. The assumption here was that TMers were in many cases
  unable to discern the difference between the Real Deal and
  lesser and possibly harmful crap (ie Robin Carlson, etc).
 
 (Carlsen.)
 
 Wayback, since you are obviously not that familiar with
 Robin's deal, you probably shouldn't use him as an
 example.
 
 Without going into a long dissertation, possibly the most
 important thing to know in this context is that according
 to Peter Sutphen, Bevan said Maharishi had ordered him,
 Bevan, to leave Robin alone when Robin showed up at MIU
 with his group. Bevan ignored Maharishi's instruction,
 and a big public mess was the result.
 
 Robin and his followers were completely dedicated to
 Maharishi. Maharishi had kept his eye on Robin when he
 was teaching in Canada (at that point most of his
 group were TM initiators) but never interfered.
 
 Bottom line, Robin was an anomaly, not an example of
 the lesser and possibly harmful crap Maharishi wanted
 to protect TMers from.

I disagree.  I was around exactly when Robin was in full cry and while I never 
went to hear him (and would not have bothered to being at the time a fairly 
loyal Tm teacher) I heard from others I trusted how odd the whole thing was. 
Whatever we have heard that MMY supposedly told Bevan, there is more to the 
story.  It was not benign from what I heard from friends at that very time.  
People OTP or even somewhat devoted to MMY did NOT go and see or follow Robin.  
(Whether it is good to be OTP is a whole other discussion). Robin and his group 
were not considered at all to be devoted to MMY.  In the end, it turned out 
that Robin's group was pretty dysfunctional, at least in how they related to 
him.  So, I stand by my opinion, that Robin's group was a good example of 
something other than TM that was not a healthy experience, at least for most 
people.  People have a right to choose to be involved in anything, but let's 
not sugar coat that particular example.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies

[Michael Jackson]

How 'bout I channel Maitreya for you Nabby? Would you be my friend then?





 From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2013 12:24 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's  Anti-Saint Policies
 


  


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote:

 The Meissner effect is an expulsion of a magnetic field from a superconductor 
 during its transition to the superconducting state.
 
 that don't have shit to do with a Hindu devotional practice done to receive 
 the favor of various Goddesses 

Instead of making more new and wild claims, why don't you answer the question 
put to you by  Steve : 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote:

 Unbelievable how ignorant people can be.

and how many hours of channeling do you have under your belt?


 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@... wrote:
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@ wrote:
  (snip)
   From what I recall, there were 4 reasons MMY forbid looking 
   elsewhere:  First, to protect people from getting sidetracked
   from the TM path and onto a flashier but less evolutionary
   method. The assumption here was that TMers were in many cases
   unable to discern the difference between the Real Deal and
   lesser and possibly harmful crap (ie Robin Carlson, etc).
  
  (Carlsen.)
  
  Wayback, since you are obviously not that familiar with
  Robin's deal, you probably shouldn't use him as an
  example.
  
  Without going into a long dissertation, possibly the most
  important thing to know in this context is that according
  to Peter Sutphen, Bevan said Maharishi had ordered him,
  Bevan, to leave Robin alone when Robin showed up at MIU
  with his group. Bevan ignored Maharishi's instruction,
  and a big public mess was the result.
  
  Robin and his followers were completely dedicated to
  Maharishi. Maharishi had kept his eye on Robin when he
  was teaching in Canada (at that point most of his
  group were TM initiators) but never interfered.
  
  Bottom line, Robin was an anomaly, not an example of
  the lesser and possibly harmful crap Maharishi wanted
  to protect TMers from.
 
 I disagree.  I was around exactly when Robin was in full cry
 and while I never went to hear him (and would not have bothered
 to being at the time a fairly loyal Tm teacher) I heard from
 others I trusted how odd the whole thing was. Whatever we have 
 heard that MMY supposedly told Bevan, there is more to the
 story.

Well, when you find out what more there was, do let us
know. I'm just telling you what Peter said here that
Bevan told him, and Peter is pretty reliable. Perhaps you
can straighten it out with him.

And as I mentioned, there's also the fact that while
Maharishi kept tabs on Robin and his group of TM
initiators in Canada, Maharishi never interfered, so it
appears Maharishi didn't think any protection was
required.

 It was not benign from what I heard from friends at that very
 time.  People OTP or even somewhat devoted to MMY did NOT go
 and see or follow Robin.  (Whether it is good to be OTP is a
 whole other discussion). Robin and his group were not
 considered at all to be devoted to MMY.

That may be, but those doing the considering were simply
uninformed (or misinformed) on that point. Even after
Maharishi had to disown Robin in the court case Bevan
instigated, and Robin and his group had to leave town,
Robin remained loyal to Maharishi for at least a couple
of years (not sure of the exact time frame).

What's so ironic about your stance is that Robin came
to MIU with the *very same beef* you and others have with
its unreasonable rigidity and blacklisting and 
gatekeeping. He felt MIU was stifling and even distorting
Maharishi's teaching. There's a case to be made that
Robin was way ahead of the game, having recognized
earlier than most others that MIU was shooting itself in
the foot.

(In fact, one might even make a case that Maharishi
thought the powers-that-be at MIU needed to be shaken up
and that Robin was just the person to do it--which could
be why Maharishi told Bevan to leave Robin alone.)

There are several pieces in the Files section that confirm
what Robin had in mind. Here's a quote from one of them,
the text of an ad Robin placed in the Fairfield Ledger
(it's in the Miscellaneous Writings folder):

...For the sake of the immaculate wisdom that does flow from the transcendent, 
and from the heart of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, we challenge faculty members at 
MIU to a public debate on the following topic: 'Be it resolved that Maharishi 
International University has begun to define the Science of Creative 
Intelligence--and to live out the Science of Creative Intelligence--in a form 
which violates the sacred springs of meaning and feeling of Western 
civilization, and which furthermore threatens to bring about the eventual 
demise of the Science of Creative Intelligence.'

*Of course* the Big Deals at MIU would have done their best
to spread the word that Robin was anathema. *Of course*
they would have pronounced it OTP for TMers to go hear what
he had to say. *Of course* they would have portrayed him as
a threat to the purity of the teaching.

And you believed them--without ever doing any investigating
on your own.

In reality, Robin was a threat *to them*--to their fiefdom,
to their authority.

 In the end, it turned out that Robin's group was pretty 
 dysfunctional, at least in how they related to him.

Yes, in the end, no question about that. Robin went off
the rails in the final year or so of his group's existence.
Maybe Ann could say more about this. But that was well
after Robin's stint at MIU.

 So, I stand by my opinion, that Robin's group was a good
 example of 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies

[Michael Jackson]

The answers are several;

A - I have no idea

B - 7thray is nearly as crazy as you and I don't generally pay attention to his 
stuff

C - I might not have answered for the same reason you never answer the question 
of do you think Benjy Creme should be allowed to do presentations at the Domes? 
Should people who have been to see Benjy and listened to his bullshit about 
Maitreya be allowed to come into the Domes since you think the Aryan Purity 
Policy is such a good Dome idea?





 From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2013 12:24 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's  Anti-Saint Policies
 


  


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote:

 The Meissner effect is an expulsion of a magnetic field from a superconductor 
 during its transition to the superconducting state.
 
 that don't have shit to do with a Hindu devotional practice done to receive 
 the favor of various Goddesses 

Instead of making more new and wild claims, why don't you answer the question 
put to you by  Steve : 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote:

 Unbelievable how ignorant people can be.

and how many hours of channeling do you have under your belt?


 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies

[Susan]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@ wrote:
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@ wrote:
   (snip)
From what I recall, there were 4 reasons MMY forbid looking 
elsewhere:  First, to protect people from getting sidetracked
from the TM path and onto a flashier but less evolutionary
method. The assumption here was that TMers were in many cases
unable to discern the difference between the Real Deal and
lesser and possibly harmful crap (ie Robin Carlson, etc).
   
   (Carlsen.)
   
   Wayback, since you are obviously not that familiar with
   Robin's deal, you probably shouldn't use him as an
   example.
   
   Without going into a long dissertation, possibly the most
   important thing to know in this context is that according
   to Peter Sutphen, Bevan said Maharishi had ordered him,
   Bevan, to leave Robin alone when Robin showed up at MIU
   with his group. Bevan ignored Maharishi's instruction,
   and a big public mess was the result.
   
   Robin and his followers were completely dedicated to
   Maharishi. Maharishi had kept his eye on Robin when he
   was teaching in Canada (at that point most of his
   group were TM initiators) but never interfered.
   
   Bottom line, Robin was an anomaly, not an example of
   the lesser and possibly harmful crap Maharishi wanted
   to protect TMers from.
  
  I disagree.  I was around exactly when Robin was in full cry
  and while I never went to hear him (and would not have bothered
  to being at the time a fairly loyal Tm teacher) I heard from
  others I trusted how odd the whole thing was. Whatever we have 
  heard that MMY supposedly told Bevan, there is more to the
  story.
 
 Well, when you find out what more there was, do let us
 know. I'm just telling you what Peter said here that
 Bevan told him, and Peter is pretty reliable. Perhaps you
 can straighten it out with him.
 
 And as I mentioned, there's also the fact that while
 Maharishi kept tabs on Robin and his group of TM
 initiators in Canada, Maharishi never interfered, so it
 appears Maharishi didn't think any protection was
 required.

The fact that MMY did not interfere says nothing about whether he felt Robin's 
followers needed protecting. 
 
  It was not benign from what I heard from friends at that very
  time.  People OTP or even somewhat devoted to MMY did NOT go
  and see or follow Robin.  (Whether it is good to be OTP is a
  whole other discussion). Robin and his group were not
  considered at all to be devoted to MMY.
 
 That may be, but those doing the considering were simply
 uninformed (or misinformed) on that point. Even after
 Maharishi had to disown Robin in the court case Bevan
 instigated, and Robin and his group had to leave town,
 Robin remained loyal to Maharishi for at least a couple
 of years (not sure of the exact time frame).
 
 What's so ironic about your stance is that Robin came
 to MIU with the *very same beef* you and others have with
 its unreasonable rigidity and blacklisting and 
 gatekeeping. He felt MIU was stifling and even distorting
 Maharishi's teaching. There's a case to be made that
 Robin was way ahead of the game, having recognized
 earlier than most others that MIU was shooting itself in
 the foot.
 
 (In fact, one might even make a case that Maharishi
 thought the powers-that-be at MIU needed to be shaken up
 and that Robin was just the person to do it--which could
 be why Maharishi told Bevan to leave Robin alone.)
 
 There are several pieces in the Files section that confirm
 what Robin had in mind. Here's a quote from one of them,
 the text of an ad Robin placed in the Fairfield Ledger
 (it's in the Miscellaneous Writings folder):
 
 ...For the sake of the immaculate wisdom that does flow from the 
 transcendent, and from the heart of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, we challenge 
 faculty members at MIU to a public debate on the following topic: 'Be it 
 resolved that Maharishi International University has begun to define the 
 Science of Creative Intelligence--and to live out the Science of Creative 
 Intelligence--in a form which violates the sacred springs of meaning and 
 feeling of Western civilization, and which furthermore threatens to bring 
 about the eventual demise of the Science of Creative Intelligence.'
 
 *Of course* the Big Deals at MIU would have done their best
 to spread the word that Robin was anathema. *Of course*
 they would have pronounced it OTP for TMers to go hear what
 he had to say. *Of course* they would have portrayed him as
 a threat to the purity of the teaching.
 
 And you believed them--without ever doing any investigating
 on your own.

It was not at all, for me and most people I knew, a question of investigating 
if Robin was accurate.  It was a sense of staying away from someone who seemed 
unbalanced and maybe even 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies

[authfriend]

Susan, I can only repeat: You did not know what Robin
was about, because the MIU biggies did not want you to
know what he was about. You even let yourself be
convinced that he wasn't devoted to Maharishi and his
teaching, when that simply was not the case.

You went along with what *they* told you even though
they were protecting you in the way you yourself have
been eloquently objecting to recently. 

Robin was sui generis and should not be used as an
example in this context. That would be a travesty,
for the reasons I've outlined. There are plenty of
others you could have used as examples instead.

You made it clear while Robin was here that you didn't
trust him because you had trouble following what he
wrote, and now you're badmouthing him when he's not
around to defend himself. That is not a behavior for
which I have much respect.



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@... wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@ wrote:
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@ wrote:
(snip)
 From what I recall, there were 4 reasons MMY forbid looking 
 elsewhere:  First, to protect people from getting sidetracked
 from the TM path and onto a flashier but less evolutionary
 method. The assumption here was that TMers were in many cases
 unable to discern the difference between the Real Deal and
 lesser and possibly harmful crap (ie Robin Carlson, etc).

(Carlsen.)

Wayback, since you are obviously not that familiar with
Robin's deal, you probably shouldn't use him as an
example.

Without going into a long dissertation, possibly the most
important thing to know in this context is that according
to Peter Sutphen, Bevan said Maharishi had ordered him,
Bevan, to leave Robin alone when Robin showed up at MIU
with his group. Bevan ignored Maharishi's instruction,
and a big public mess was the result.

Robin and his followers were completely dedicated to
Maharishi. Maharishi had kept his eye on Robin when he
was teaching in Canada (at that point most of his
group were TM initiators) but never interfered.

Bottom line, Robin was an anomaly, not an example of
the lesser and possibly harmful crap Maharishi wanted
to protect TMers from.
   
   I disagree.  I was around exactly when Robin was in full cry
   and while I never went to hear him (and would not have bothered
   to being at the time a fairly loyal Tm teacher) I heard from
   others I trusted how odd the whole thing was. Whatever we have 
   heard that MMY supposedly told Bevan, there is more to the
   story.
  
  Well, when you find out what more there was, do let us
  know. I'm just telling you what Peter said here that
  Bevan told him, and Peter is pretty reliable. Perhaps you
  can straighten it out with him.
  
  And as I mentioned, there's also the fact that while
  Maharishi kept tabs on Robin and his group of TM
  initiators in Canada, Maharishi never interfered, so it
  appears Maharishi didn't think any protection was
  required.
 
 The fact that MMY did not interfere says nothing about whether he felt 
 Robin's followers needed protecting. 
  
   It was not benign from what I heard from friends at that very
   time.  People OTP or even somewhat devoted to MMY did NOT go
   and see or follow Robin.  (Whether it is good to be OTP is a
   whole other discussion). Robin and his group were not
   considered at all to be devoted to MMY.
  
  That may be, but those doing the considering were simply
  uninformed (or misinformed) on that point. Even after
  Maharishi had to disown Robin in the court case Bevan
  instigated, and Robin and his group had to leave town,
  Robin remained loyal to Maharishi for at least a couple
  of years (not sure of the exact time frame).
  
  What's so ironic about your stance is that Robin came
  to MIU with the *very same beef* you and others have with
  its unreasonable rigidity and blacklisting and 
  gatekeeping. He felt MIU was stifling and even distorting
  Maharishi's teaching. There's a case to be made that
  Robin was way ahead of the game, having recognized
  earlier than most others that MIU was shooting itself in
  the foot.
  
  (In fact, one might even make a case that Maharishi
  thought the powers-that-be at MIU needed to be shaken up
  and that Robin was just the person to do it--which could
  be why Maharishi told Bevan to leave Robin alone.)
  
  There are several pieces in the Files section that confirm
  what Robin had in mind. Here's a quote from one of them,
  the text of an ad Robin placed in the Fairfield Ledger
  (it's in the Miscellaneous Writings folder):
  
  ...For the sake of the immaculate wisdom that does flow from the 
  transcendent, and from the heart of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies

[obbajeeba]

Beautifully written, Auth.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote:

 Susan, I can only repeat: You did not know what Robin
 was about, because the MIU biggies did not want you to
 know what he was about. You even let yourself be
 convinced that he wasn't devoted to Maharishi and his
 teaching, when that simply was not the case.
 
 You went along with what *they* told you even though
 they were protecting you in the way you yourself have
 been eloquently objecting to recently. 
 
 Robin was sui generis and should not be used as an
 example in this context. That would be a travesty,
 for the reasons I've outlined. There are plenty of
 others you could have used as examples instead.
 
 You made it clear while Robin was here that you didn't
 trust him because you had trouble following what he
 wrote, and now you're badmouthing him when he's not
 around to defend himself. That is not a behavior for
 which I have much respect.
 
 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@ wrote:
 
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@ wrote:

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@ wrote:
 (snip)
  From what I recall, there were 4 reasons MMY forbid looking 
  elsewhere:  First, to protect people from getting sidetracked
  from the TM path and onto a flashier but less evolutionary
  method. The assumption here was that TMers were in many cases
  unable to discern the difference between the Real Deal and
  lesser and possibly harmful crap (ie Robin Carlson, etc).
 
 (Carlsen.)
 
 Wayback, since you are obviously not that familiar with
 Robin's deal, you probably shouldn't use him as an
 example.
 
 Without going into a long dissertation, possibly the most
 important thing to know in this context is that according
 to Peter Sutphen, Bevan said Maharishi had ordered him,
 Bevan, to leave Robin alone when Robin showed up at MIU
 with his group. Bevan ignored Maharishi's instruction,
 and a big public mess was the result.
 
 Robin and his followers were completely dedicated to
 Maharishi. Maharishi had kept his eye on Robin when he
 was teaching in Canada (at that point most of his
 group were TM initiators) but never interfered.
 
 Bottom line, Robin was an anomaly, not an example of
 the lesser and possibly harmful crap Maharishi wanted
 to protect TMers from.

I disagree.  I was around exactly when Robin was in full cry
and while I never went to hear him (and would not have bothered
to being at the time a fairly loyal Tm teacher) I heard from
others I trusted how odd the whole thing was. Whatever we have 
heard that MMY supposedly told Bevan, there is more to the
story.
   
   Well, when you find out what more there was, do let us
   know. I'm just telling you what Peter said here that
   Bevan told him, and Peter is pretty reliable. Perhaps you
   can straighten it out with him.
   
   And as I mentioned, there's also the fact that while
   Maharishi kept tabs on Robin and his group of TM
   initiators in Canada, Maharishi never interfered, so it
   appears Maharishi didn't think any protection was
   required.
  
  The fact that MMY did not interfere says nothing about whether he felt 
  Robin's followers needed protecting. 
   
It was not benign from what I heard from friends at that very
time.  People OTP or even somewhat devoted to MMY did NOT go
and see or follow Robin.  (Whether it is good to be OTP is a
whole other discussion). Robin and his group were not
considered at all to be devoted to MMY.
   
   That may be, but those doing the considering were simply
   uninformed (or misinformed) on that point. Even after
   Maharishi had to disown Robin in the court case Bevan
   instigated, and Robin and his group had to leave town,
   Robin remained loyal to Maharishi for at least a couple
   of years (not sure of the exact time frame).
   
   What's so ironic about your stance is that Robin came
   to MIU with the *very same beef* you and others have with
   its unreasonable rigidity and blacklisting and 
   gatekeeping. He felt MIU was stifling and even distorting
   Maharishi's teaching. There's a case to be made that
   Robin was way ahead of the game, having recognized
   earlier than most others that MIU was shooting itself in
   the foot.
   
   (In fact, one might even make a case that Maharishi
   thought the powers-that-be at MIU needed to be shaken up
   and that Robin was just the person to do it--which could
   be why Maharishi told Bevan to leave Robin alone.)
   
   There are several pieces in the Files section that confirm
   what Robin had in mind. Here's a quote from one of them,
   the text of an ad 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies

[seventhray27]

I am not worthy!


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote:

 The answers are several;

 A - I have no idea

 B - 7thray is nearly as crazy as you and I don't generally pay
attention to his stuff

 C - I might not have answered for the same reason you never answer the
question of do you think Benjy Creme should be allowed to do
presentations at the Domes? Should people who have been to see Benjy and
listened to his bullshit about Maitreya be allowed to come into the
Domes since you think the Aryan Purity Policy is such a good Dome idea?




 
 From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2013 12:24 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies



 Â


 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@
wrote:
 
  The Meissner effect is an expulsion of a magnetic field from a
superconductor during its transition to the superconducting state.
 
  that don't have shit to do with a Hindu devotional practice done to
receive the favor of various Goddesses

 Instead of making more new and wild claims, why don't you answer the
question put to you by Steve :

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote:
 
  Unbelievable how ignorant people can be.

 and how many hours of channeling do you have under your belt?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies

[Buck]

The gravest threat to the Maharishi Effect here and its protection of America 
in its support of Natural Law is our tyrannic TM anti-saint policy over 
meditators in the Domes.  It is time to repeal the anti-saint policy for all 
our safety. 


 Yep, using the Dome badge as punishment in fealty test over people while 
 hoping to git a large and proper Meissner Effect out of the Domes is 
 insurmountably impossible without a change in the leadership and/or the 
 TM-anti-saint guidelines.  A large change is needed right now from within TM. 
   
 -Buck
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck  wrote:
 
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@ wrote:
  
   
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote:
   


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ 
wrote:

 As the Global Country of World Peace exists only in the minds of 
 those too blind to see Marshy's legacy for what it was, a scam, you 
 are in danger of losing nothing and the extremism you speak of has 
 existed for decades - it ain't gonna change now, Pappy.
 


It seems that extremists on both sides are determined to maintain the 
state of hostility and hatred between the two positions, but logic says 
that there should be a change of direction in order to turn a new page 
in this unstable relationship and minimize the state of hostility and 
mistrust between the two positions. 
   
   From what I recall, there were 4 reasons MMY forbid looking elsewhere:  
   First, to protect people from getting sidetracked from the TM path and 
   onto a flashier but less evolutionary method. The assumption here was 
   that TMers were in many cases unable to discern the difference between 
   the Real Deal and lesser and possibly harmful crap (ie Robin Carlson, 
   etc). Second, there is value in sticking with a single path and not 
   diluting it with other ways and creating a mishmash of approaches. 
   Third, the TMO and MMY would suffer if the public noticed that TM'ers 
   were still looking for help to solve their own issues or to find a better 
   Master.  Fourth, a belief that TM was the best way and pretty much the 
   only way to enlightenment.
  
  
  Yes the [TM sufficiency articles] held by the tru-believers, except clearly 
  the meditating movement does not believe or hold them as articles of faith 
  like our TM-taliban does.  We got a problem with a few 
  ultra-preservationist meditators in the middle of everything holding the 
  Meissner Effect [ME] and the Dome meditation hostage with their own faith 
  about things.
  -Buck in the Dome
   
   Now, whatever of the above points might be true, or not,  things are 
   different in  this day and age it is a fact that people will easily be 
   able to look at other methods to meditate, calm themselves, or evolve.  
   To assume that once a person learns TM they will never be curious about 
   another program or teacher or saint is ludicrous. And so is the 
   assumption that they should be excluded from the good graces of the TMO 
   if they do widen their horizons.The TMO has to make a decision soon: to 
   continue to strictly follow MMYs policy from about 1970, or to soften up 
   and realize how different our world is now and how infantalizing the old 
   policy is. 
   
How simple it would be to just scrap the whole department that deals 
   with the blacklisting and gatekeeping.  Just say the Domes are only for 
   the practice of TM and TMSP, but all who agree to do this are welcome. 
   Welcome back.
   
   Everyone around the Prime Minister is saying they are only waiting for 
   the guy to die to resolve the conflict.  However in mediation let us hope 
   for a communal peace and reconciliation in a large group meditation 
   before then.  
-Buck

  
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ 
 wrote:
 
  what you fail to take into consideration is that your Taliban-like 
  leaders took their cue from Marshy himself and that YEARS of TM, 
  TMSP, rounding, and being around Marshy has led them to this pass - 
  draw - my suggestion is get out before you waste anymore time, 
  effort, energy and money. 
  
 
 
 Son, what I truly wish is for moderation to return to the Country of 
 Global Peace. This is my only wish. Extremism pains me greatly. We 
 have suffered many blows as a result of extremism.
 -Buck
 
  
  
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's  Anti-Saint Policies
  
  
  
    
  
  Repealing TM's  Anti-Saint Policies
  
  Urgently A  'repeal movement' is clearly needed now to save the TM 
  movement.  A repeal of the anti-saint policies if only to sustain a 
  meditation group for the Dome meditation numbers.  A meditation 
  without fear.  The TM movement's anti-saint policies have

[FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies

[Buck]

.
  -Buck
  
   
   
   Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's  Anti-Saint Policies
   
   
   
     
   
   Repealing TM's  Anti-Saint Policies
   
   Urgently A  'repeal movement' is clearly needed now to save the 
   TM movement.  A repeal of the anti-saint policies if only to 
   sustain a meditation group for the Dome meditation numbers.  A 
   meditation without fear.  The TM movement's anti-saint policies 
   have long bred hypocrisy and contempt for the movement and its 
   leadership inside and outside the meditating community.  We need 
   only look at the decades  long slide in numbers meditating or the 
   Dome meditation numbers.  They are down and it is an uphill fight 
   to get numbers back against the hard-heads on top.  Simply to 
   save the Dome numbers meditating there needs to come along a flat 
   out repeal movement against these Dome policies.  The Dome 
   policies and guidelines have clearly failed to sustain our 
   numbers and it is time and has become our larger responsibility 
   to change those guidelines with repeal.  The Taliban-like leaders 
   of the movement with their anti-saint policies have made for a TM 
   movement of
corruption, liars and hypocrites.  More than reforming, the time 
   is come for the repeal of the anti-saint polices to save the Dome 
   meditating program; Repeal now the anti-saint guidelines to save 
   the Dome numbers.  The saints are returning soon again.  It is a 
   fact of life.  Repeal the TM-Anti-Saint policies now to save the 
   Domes before it is too late..  The time has come to make your 
   voice heard and join the Anti-Saint repeal movement for all our 
   benefit.
   
   
Repealing TM's anti-saint policies it seems has terribly strong 
parallels to the context of the 18th Amendment 'Repeal 
Movement' in the 20th Century.  Take a look at this short piece 
on Pauline Sabin of the movement to repeal the 18th amendment:  
A theme of the undoing of the 'dry's' from early was their own 
self-destruct of unbending policies in the face of a reality.   
Sort of like TM's movement administration trying to restrict 
and prohibit its own people from visiting other saints and holy 
people and only relying on its own TM teachers and consultants.

As comparison critique this is a thought provoking documentary 
on Pauline Sabin and the movement to repeal the 18th Amendment, 
Have a look: 


http://www.wgbh.org/programs/Baseball-The-Tenth-Inning-1199/episodes/Women-of-PROHIBITION-Pauline-Sabin-34763



 
  Yeah, you say this NOW, now that it's come out that
  he is married and has been for many years. But I 
  wonder
  what excuses you make for him lying about it for so 
  long,
  and to so many?
 

 That is a really tough question. That could easily be 
 someone's
scholarly thesis topic alone on Fairfield. How meditators have 
dealt with the
deceit and moral dissonance of their leadership. That became 
more directly
addressed in a series of posts by a range of old meditators 
writing on FFL
between Christmas and New Year's a month ago. It was really 
interesting to read
how different people resolved their relationship with the Tmo.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote:

 Back then it seems the problems were more simply over the 
 money, fund-raising technique and the anti-saint policy that 
 were driving people away.
 
 
  Even Back then there were yet some lot of 'unknowns' like 
  the women to be discovered. 
  
Surveying the old [meditating] community,  The old 
survey that was done is archived here in the FFL files 
section.  It is real interesting trend-reading to look 
at now.  Things  were in motion then even back in the 
'90's and early '00's and yet still unresolved now.
   
   
   Look in the 'files' section under the folder FFL and 
   Fairfield Community  about surveys.  To be able to read 
   the survey results here you got to be a registered yahoo 
   groups FFL member to open the files.
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck  wrote:
  
   
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck  wrote:
   


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck  wrote

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies anti Gay policy as well is it still present?

[wleed3]

Anti Gay policy was also at MIU  its use to denay dome entrance its still 
present is it not?



In a message dated 06/16/13 17:49:23 Eastern Daylight Time, 
dhamiltony...@yahoo.com writes:

[FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies anti Gay policy as well is it still present?

[Alex Stanley]

One of FF's most flamingly obvious gay guys is on the IA course, so if they 
really are trying to rid the domes of Teh Ghey, they're doing a piss poor job 
of it.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wleed3 WLeed3@... wrote:

 Anti Gay policy was also at MIU  its use to denay dome entrance its still 
 present is it not?
 
 
 
 In a message dated 06/16/13 17:49:23 Eastern Daylight Time, dhamiltony2k5@... 
 writes:

[FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@... wrote:

 
 I am not worthy!

Haha :-)


 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote:
 
  The answers are several;
 
  A - I have no idea
 
  B - 7thray is nearly as crazy as you and I don't generally pay
 attention to his stuff
 
  C - I might not have answered for the same reason you never answer the
 question of do you think Benjy Creme should be allowed to do
 presentations at the Domes? Should people who have been to see Benjy and
 listened to his bullshit about Maitreya be allowed to come into the
 Domes since you think the Aryan Purity Policy is such a good Dome idea?

Relax MJ, you worry too much. Get back on medication and all will be fine.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies

[Buck]

Repealing TM's  Anti-Saint Policies

Urgently A  'repeal movement' is clearly needed now to save the TM movement.  
A repeal of the anti-saint policies if only to sustain a meditation group for 
the Dome meditation numbers.  A meditation without fear.  The TM movement's 
anti-saint policies have long bred hypocrisy and contempt for the movement and 
its leadership inside and outside the meditating community.  We need only look 
at the decades  long slide in numbers meditating or the Dome meditation 
numbers.  They are down and it is an uphill fight to get numbers back against 
the hard-heads on top.  Simply to save the Dome numbers meditating there needs 
to come along a flat out repeal movement against these Dome policies.  The Dome 
policies and guidelines have clearly failed to sustain our numbers and it is 
time and has become our larger responsibility to change those guidelines with 
repeal.  The Taliban-like leaders of the movement with their anti-saint 
policies have made for a TM movement of corruption, liars and hypocrites.  More 
than reforming, the time is come for the repeal of the anti-saint polices to 
save the Dome meditating program; Repeal now the anti-saint guidelines to save 
the Dome numbers.  The saints are returning soon again.  It is a fact of life.  
Repeal the TM-Anti-Saint policies now to save the Domes before it is too late.. 
 The time has come to make your voice heard and join the Anti-Saint repeal 
movement for all our benefit.


 Repealing TM's anti-saint policies it seems has terribly strong parallels to 
 the context of the 18th Amendment 'Repeal Movement' in the 20th Century.  
 Take a look at this short piece on Pauline Sabin of the movement to repeal 
 the 18th amendment:  A theme of the undoing of the 'dry's' from early was 
 their own self-destruct of unbending policies in the face of a reality.   
 Sort of like TM's movement administration trying to restrict and prohibit its 
 own people from visiting other saints and holy people and only relying on its 
 own TM teachers and consultants.
 
 As comparison critique this is a thought provoking documentary on Pauline 
 Sabin and the movement to repeal the 18th Amendment, Have a look:   

 
 http://www.wgbh.org/programs/Baseball-The-Tenth-Inning-1199/episodes/Women-of-PROHIBITION-Pauline-Sabin-34763
 
 
 
  
   Yeah, you say this NOW, now that it's come out that
   he is married and has been for many years. But I wonder
   what excuses you make for him lying about it for so long,
   and to so many?
  
 
  That is a really tough question. That could easily be someone's
 scholarly thesis topic alone on Fairfield. How meditators have dealt with the
 deceit and moral dissonance of their leadership. That became more directly
 addressed in a series of posts by a range of old meditators writing on FFL
 between Christmas and New Year's a month ago. It was really interesting to 
 read
 how different people resolved their relationship with the Tmo.
 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote:
 
  Back then it seems the problems were more simply over the money, 
  fund-raising technique and the anti-saint policy that were driving people 
  away.
  
  
   Even Back then there were yet some lot of 'unknowns' like the women to be 
   discovered.  
   
 Surveying the old [meditating] community,  The old survey that was 
 done is archived here in the FFL files section.  It is real 
 interesting trend-reading to look at now.  Things  were in motion 
 then even back in the '90's and early '00's and yet still unresolved 
 now.


Look in the 'files' section under the folder FFL and Fairfield 
Community  about surveys.  To be able to read the survey results here 
you got to be a registered yahoo groups FFL member to open the files.
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck  wrote:
   


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck  wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck  wrote:
 
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck  wrote:
  
   
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:

 I'm very glad that Rajaram is a householder. 

Are you glad that he lied about it to pretty much 
everyone in the TM movement for many years, including
his close friends like John Hagelin? 

 It makes the TMO more human somehow, more of the world 
 with all its joys and sorrows, more connected to life 
 with all its light and dark.

Yeah, you say this NOW, now that it's come out that
he is married and has been for many years. But I wonder
what excuses you make for him lying about it for so long,
and to so many?
   
   
   That is a really tough question. 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies

[Michael Jackson]

what you fail to take into consideration is that your Taliban-like leaders took 
their cue from Marshy himself and that YEARS of TM, TMSP, rounding, and being 
around Marshy has led them to this pass - draw - my suggestion is get out 
before you waste anymore time, effort, energy and money. 





 From: Buck dhamiltony...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2013 11:07 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's  Anti-Saint Policies
 


  

Repealing TM's  Anti-Saint Policies

Urgently A  'repeal movement' is clearly needed now to save the TM movement.  
A repeal of the anti-saint policies if only to sustain a meditation group for 
the Dome meditation numbers.  A meditation without fear.  The TM movement's 
anti-saint policies have long bred hypocrisy and contempt for the movement and 
its leadership inside and outside the meditating community.  We need only look 
at the decades  long slide in numbers meditating or the Dome meditation 
numbers.  They are down and it is an uphill fight to get numbers back against 
the hard-heads on top.  Simply to save the Dome numbers meditating there needs 
to come along a flat out repeal movement against these Dome policies.  The Dome 
policies and guidelines have clearly failed to sustain our numbers and it is 
time and has become our larger responsibility to change those guidelines with 
repeal.  The Taliban-like leaders of the movement with their anti-saint 
policies have made for a TM movement of
 corruption, liars and hypocrites.  More than reforming, the time is come for 
the repeal of the anti-saint polices to save the Dome meditating program; 
Repeal now the anti-saint guidelines to save the Dome numbers.  The saints are 
returning soon again.  It is a fact of life.  Repeal the TM-Anti-Saint policies 
now to save the Domes before it is too late..  The time has come to make your 
voice heard and join the Anti-Saint repeal movement for all our benefit.


 Repealing TM's anti-saint policies it seems has terribly strong parallels to 
 the context of the 18th Amendment 'Repeal Movement' in the 20th Century.  
 Take a look at this short piece on Pauline Sabin of the movement to repeal 
 the 18th amendment:  A theme of the undoing of the 'dry's' from early was 
 their own self-destruct of unbending policies in the face of a reality.   
 Sort of like TM's movement administration trying to restrict and prohibit its 
 own people from visiting other saints and holy people and only relying on its 
 own TM teachers and consultants.
 
 As comparison critique this is a thought provoking documentary on Pauline 
 Sabin and the movement to repeal the 18th Amendment, Have a look: 
 
 
 http://www.wgbh.org/programs/Baseball-The-Tenth-Inning-1199/episodes/Women-of-PROHIBITION-Pauline-Sabin-34763
 
 
 
  
   Yeah, you say this NOW, now that it's come out that
   he is married and has been for many years. But I wonder
   what excuses you make for him lying about it for so long,
   and to so many?
  
 
  That is a really tough question. That could easily be someone's
 scholarly thesis topic alone on Fairfield. How meditators have dealt with the
 deceit and moral dissonance of their leadership. That became more directly
 addressed in a series of posts by a range of old meditators writing on FFL
 between Christmas and New Year's a month ago. It was really interesting to 
 read
 how different people resolved their relationship with the Tmo.
 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote:
 
  Back then it seems the problems were more simply over the money, 
  fund-raising technique and the anti-saint policy that were driving people 
  away.
  
  
   Even Back then there were yet some lot of 'unknowns' like the women to be 
   discovered. 
   
 Surveying the old [meditating] community,  The old survey that was 
 done is archived here in the FFL files section.  It is real 
 interesting trend-reading to look at now.  Things  were in motion 
 then even back in the '90's and early '00's and yet still unresolved 
 now.


Look in the 'files' section under the folder FFL and Fairfield 
Community  about surveys.  To be able to read the survey results here 
you got to be a registered yahoo groups FFL member to open the files.
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck  wrote:
   


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck  wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck  wrote:
 
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck  wrote:
  
   
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:

 I'm very glad that Rajaram is a householder. 

Are you glad that he lied about it to pretty much 
everyone in the TM movement for many years, including

[FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies

[Ann]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote:

 
 Repealing TM's  Anti-Saint Policies
 
 Urgently A  'repeal movement' is clearly needed now to save the TM movement. 
  A repeal of the anti-saint policies if only to sustain a meditation group 
 for the Dome meditation numbers.  A meditation without fear.  The TM 
 movement's anti-saint policies have long bred hypocrisy and contempt for the 
 movement and its leadership inside and outside the meditating community.  We 
 need only look at the decades  long slide in numbers meditating or the Dome 
 meditation numbers.  They are down and it is an uphill fight to get numbers 
 back against the hard-heads on top.  Simply to save the Dome numbers 
 meditating there needs to come along a flat out repeal movement against these 
 Dome policies.  The Dome policies and guidelines have clearly failed to 
 sustain our numbers and it is time and has become our larger responsibility 
 to change those guidelines with repeal.  The Taliban-like leaders of the 
 movement with their anti-saint policies have made for a TM movement of 
 corruption, liars and hypocrites.  More than reforming, the time is come for 
 the repeal of the anti-saint polices to save the Dome meditating program; 
 Repeal now the anti-saint guidelines to save the Dome numbers.  The saints 
 are returning soon again.  It is a fact of life.  Repeal the TM-Anti-Saint 
 policies now to save the Domes before it is too late..  The time has come to 
 make your voice heard and join the Anti-Saint repeal movement for all our 
 benefit.

Take it away Satchmo:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyLjbMBpGDA
 
 
  Repealing TM's anti-saint policies it seems has terribly strong parallels 
  to the context of the 18th Amendment 'Repeal Movement' in the 20th Century. 
   Take a look at this short piece on Pauline Sabin of the movement to repeal 
  the 18th amendment:  A theme of the undoing of the 'dry's' from early was 
  their own self-destruct of unbending policies in the face of a reality.   
  Sort of like TM's movement administration trying to restrict and prohibit 
  its own people from visiting other saints and holy people and only relying 
  on its own TM teachers and consultants.
  
  As comparison critique this is a thought provoking documentary on Pauline 
  Sabin and the movement to repeal the 18th Amendment, Have a look:   
 
  
  http://www.wgbh.org/programs/Baseball-The-Tenth-Inning-1199/episodes/Women-of-PROHIBITION-Pauline-Sabin-34763
  
  
  
   
Yeah, you say this NOW, now that it's come out that
he is married and has been for many years. But I wonder
what excuses you make for him lying about it for so long,
and to so many?
   
  
   That is a really tough question. That could easily be someone's
  scholarly thesis topic alone on Fairfield. How meditators have dealt with 
  the
  deceit and moral dissonance of their leadership. That became more directly
  addressed in a series of posts by a range of old meditators writing on FFL
  between Christmas and New Year's a month ago. It was really interesting to 
  read
  how different people resolved their relationship with the Tmo.
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote:
  
   Back then it seems the problems were more simply over the money, 
   fund-raising technique and the anti-saint policy that were driving people 
   away.
   
   
Even Back then there were yet some lot of 'unknowns' like the women to 
be discovered.  

  Surveying the old [meditating] community,  The old survey that was 
  done is archived here in the FFL files section.  It is real 
  interesting trend-reading to look at now.  Things  were in motion 
  then even back in the '90's and early '00's and yet still 
  unresolved now.
 
 
 Look in the 'files' section under the folder FFL and Fairfield 
 Community  about surveys.  To be able to read the survey results 
 here you got to be a registered yahoo groups FFL member to open the 
 files.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck  wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck  wrote:
 
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck  wrote:
  
   
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck  wrote:
   


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
 
  I'm very glad that Rajaram is a householder. 
 
 Are you glad that he lied about it to pretty much 
 everyone in the TM movement for many years, including
 his close friends like John Hagelin? 
 
  It makes the TMO more human somehow, more of the world 
  with all its joys and sorrows, more connected to life 
  with all its light and dark.
 
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies

[Buck]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote:

 what you fail to take into consideration is that your Taliban-like leaders 
 took their cue from Marshy himself and that YEARS of TM, TMSP, rounding, and 
 being around Marshy has led them to this pass - draw - my suggestion is get 
 out before you waste anymore time, effort, energy and money. 
 


Son, what I truly wish is for moderation to return to the Country of Global 
Peace. This is my only wish. Extremism pains me greatly. We have suffered many 
blows as a result of extremism.
-Buck
 
 
 
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's  Anti-Saint Policies
  
 
 
   
 
 Repealing TM's  Anti-Saint Policies
 
 Urgently A  'repeal movement' is clearly needed now to save the TM movement. 
  A repeal of the anti-saint policies if only to sustain a meditation group 
 for the Dome meditation numbers.  A meditation without fear.  The TM 
 movement's anti-saint policies have long bred hypocrisy and contempt for the 
 movement and its leadership inside and outside the meditating community.  We 
 need only look at the decades  long slide in numbers meditating or the Dome 
 meditation numbers.  They are down and it is an uphill fight to get numbers 
 back against the hard-heads on top.  Simply to save the Dome numbers 
 meditating there needs to come along a flat out repeal movement against these 
 Dome policies.  The Dome policies and guidelines have clearly failed to 
 sustain our numbers and it is time and has become our larger responsibility 
 to change those guidelines with repeal.  The Taliban-like leaders of the 
 movement with their anti-saint policies have made for a TM movement of
  corruption, liars and hypocrites.  More than reforming, the time is come for 
 the repeal of the anti-saint polices to save the Dome meditating program; 
 Repeal now the anti-saint guidelines to save the Dome numbers.  The saints 
 are returning soon again.  It is a fact of life.  Repeal the TM-Anti-Saint 
 policies now to save the Domes before it is too late..  The time has come to 
 make your voice heard and join the Anti-Saint repeal movement for all our 
 benefit.
 
 
  Repealing TM's anti-saint policies it seems has terribly strong parallels 
  to the context of the 18th Amendment 'Repeal Movement' in the 20th Century. 
   Take a look at this short piece on Pauline Sabin of the movement to repeal 
  the 18th amendment:  A theme of the undoing of the 'dry's' from early was 
  their own self-destruct of unbending policies in the face of a reality.   
  Sort of like TM's movement administration trying to restrict and prohibit 
  its own people from visiting other saints and holy people and only relying 
  on its own TM teachers and consultants.
  
  As comparison critique this is a thought provoking documentary on Pauline 
  Sabin and the movement to repeal the 18th Amendment, Have a look: 
  
  
  http://www.wgbh.org/programs/Baseball-The-Tenth-Inning-1199/episodes/Women-of-PROHIBITION-Pauline-Sabin-34763
  
  
  
   
Yeah, you say this NOW, now that it's come out that
he is married and has been for many years. But I wonder
what excuses you make for him lying about it for so long,
and to so many?
   
  
   That is a really tough question. That could easily be someone's
  scholarly thesis topic alone on Fairfield. How meditators have dealt with 
  the
  deceit and moral dissonance of their leadership. That became more directly
  addressed in a series of posts by a range of old meditators writing on FFL
  between Christmas and New Year's a month ago. It was really interesting to 
  read
  how different people resolved their relationship with the Tmo.
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote:
  
   Back then it seems the problems were more simply over the money, 
   fund-raising technique and the anti-saint policy that were driving people 
   away.
   
   
Even Back then there were yet some lot of 'unknowns' like the women to 
be discovered. 

  Surveying the old [meditating] community,  The old survey that was 
  done is archived here in the FFL files section.  It is real 
  interesting trend-reading to look at now.  Things  were in motion 
  then even back in the '90's and early '00's and yet still 
  unresolved now.
 
 
 Look in the 'files' section under the folder FFL and Fairfield 
 Community  about surveys.  To be able to read the survey results 
 here you got to be a registered yahoo groups FFL member to open the 
 files.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck  wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck  wrote:
 
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck  wrote:
  
   
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck  wrote:
   


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies

[Michael Jackson]

As the Global Country of World Peace exists only in the minds of those too 
blind to see Marshy's legacy for what it was, a scam, you are in danger of 
losing nothing and the extremism you speak of has existed for decades - it 
ain't gonna change now, Pappy.





 From: Buck dhamiltony...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2013 10:12 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's  Anti-Saint Policies
 


  

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote:

 what you fail to take into consideration is that your Taliban-like leaders 
 took their cue from Marshy himself and that YEARS of TM, TMSP, rounding, and 
 being around Marshy has led them to this pass - draw - my suggestion is get 
 out before you waste anymore time, effort, energy and money. 
 


Son, what I truly wish is for moderation to return to the Country of Global 
Peace. This is my only wish. Extremism pains me greatly. We have suffered many 
blows as a result of extremism.
-Buck

 
 
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's  Anti-Saint Policies
 
 
 
   
 
 Repealing TM's  Anti-Saint Policies
 
 Urgently A  'repeal movement' is clearly needed now to save the TM movement. 
  A repeal of the anti-saint policies if only to sustain a meditation group 
 for the Dome meditation numbers.  A meditation without fear.  The TM 
 movement's anti-saint policies have long bred hypocrisy and contempt for the 
 movement and its leadership inside and outside the meditating community.  We 
 need only look at the decades  long slide in numbers meditating or the Dome 
 meditation numbers.  They are down and it is an uphill fight to get numbers 
 back against the hard-heads on top.  Simply to save the Dome numbers 
 meditating there needs to come along a flat out repeal movement against these 
 Dome policies.  The Dome policies and guidelines have clearly failed to 
 sustain our numbers and it is time and has become our larger responsibility 
 to change those guidelines with repeal.  The Taliban-like leaders of the 
 movement with their anti-saint policies have made for a TM movement of
  corruption, liars and hypocrites.  More than reforming, the time is come for 
 the repeal of the anti-saint polices to save the Dome meditating program; 
 Repeal now the anti-saint guidelines to save the Dome numbers.  The saints 
 are returning soon again.  It is a fact of life.  Repeal the TM-Anti-Saint 
 policies now to save the Domes before it is too late..  The time has come to 
 make your voice heard and join the Anti-Saint repeal movement for all our 
 benefit.
 
 
  Repealing TM's anti-saint policies it seems has terribly strong parallels 
  to the context of the 18th Amendment 'Repeal Movement' in the 20th Century. 
   Take a look at this short piece on Pauline Sabin of the movement to repeal 
  the 18th amendment:  A theme of the undoing of the 'dry's' from early was 
  their own self-destruct of unbending policies in the face of a reality.   
  Sort of like TM's movement administration trying to restrict and prohibit 
  its own people from visiting other saints and holy people and only relying 
  on its own TM teachers and consultants.
  
  As comparison critique this is a thought provoking documentary on Pauline 
  Sabin and the movement to repeal the 18th Amendment, Have a look: 
  
  
  http://www.wgbh.org/programs/Baseball-The-Tenth-Inning-1199/episodes/Women-of-PROHIBITION-Pauline-Sabin-34763
  
  
  
   
Yeah, you say this NOW, now that it's come out that
he is married and has been for many years. But I wonder
what excuses you make for him lying about it for so long,
and to so many?
   
  
   That is a really tough question. That could easily be someone's
  scholarly thesis topic alone on Fairfield. How meditators have dealt with 
  the
  deceit and moral dissonance of their leadership. That became more directly
  addressed in a series of posts by a range of old meditators writing on FFL
  between Christmas and New Year's a month ago. It was really interesting to 
  read
  how different people resolved their relationship with the Tmo.
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote:
  
   Back then it seems the problems were more simply over the money, 
   fund-raising technique and the anti-saint policy that were driving people 
   away.
   
   
Even Back then there were yet some lot of 'unknowns' like the women to 
be discovered. 

  Surveying the old [meditating] community,  The old survey that was 
  done is archived here in the FFL files section.  It is real 
  interesting trend-reading to look at now.  Things  were in motion 
  then even back in the '90's and early '00's and yet still 
  unresolved now.
 
 
 Look in the 'files' section under the folder FFL and Fairfield 
 Community  about surveys.  To be able to read the survey results 
 here you

[FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies

[Buck]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote:

 As the Global Country of World Peace exists only in the minds of those too 
 blind to see Marshy's legacy for what it was, a scam, you are in danger of 
 losing nothing and the extremism you speak of has existed for decades - it 
 ain't gonna change now, Pappy.
 


It seems that extremists on both sides are determined to maintain the state of 
hostility and hatred between the two positions, but logic says that there 
should be a change of direction in order to turn a new page in this unstable 
relationship and minimize the state of hostility and mistrust between the two 
positions. Everyone around the Prime Minister is saying they are only waiting 
for the guy to die to resolve the conflict.  However in mediation let us hope 
for a communal peace and reconciliation in a large group meditation before 
then.  
-Buck

  
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote:
 
  what you fail to take into consideration is that your Taliban-like leaders 
  took their cue from Marshy himself and that YEARS of TM, TMSP, rounding, 
  and being around Marshy has led them to this pass - draw - my suggestion is 
  get out before you waste anymore time, effort, energy and money. 
  
 
 
 Son, what I truly wish is for moderation to return to the Country of Global 
 Peace. This is my only wish. Extremism pains me greatly. We have suffered 
 many blows as a result of extremism.
 -Buck
 
  
  
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's  Anti-Saint Policies
  
  
  
    
  
  Repealing TM's  Anti-Saint Policies
  
  Urgently A  'repeal movement' is clearly needed now to save the TM 
  movement.  A repeal of the anti-saint policies if only to sustain a 
  meditation group for the Dome meditation numbers.  A meditation without 
  fear.  The TM movement's anti-saint policies have long bred hypocrisy and 
  contempt for the movement and its leadership inside and outside the 
  meditating community.  We need only look at the decades  long slide in 
  numbers meditating or the Dome meditation numbers.  They are down and it is 
  an uphill fight to get numbers back against the hard-heads on top.  Simply 
  to save the Dome numbers meditating there needs to come along a flat out 
  repeal movement against these Dome policies.  The Dome policies and 
  guidelines have clearly failed to sustain our numbers and it is time and 
  has become our larger responsibility to change those guidelines with 
  repeal.  The Taliban-like leaders of the movement with their anti-saint 
  policies have made for a TM movement of
   corruption, liars and hypocrites.  More than reforming, the time is come 
  for the repeal of the anti-saint polices to save the Dome meditating 
  program; Repeal now the anti-saint guidelines to save the Dome numbers.  
  The saints are returning soon again.  It is a fact of life.  Repeal the 
  TM-Anti-Saint policies now to save the Domes before it is too late..  The 
  time has come to make your voice heard and join the Anti-Saint repeal 
  movement for all our benefit.
  
  
   Repealing TM's anti-saint policies it seems has terribly strong parallels 
   to the context of the 18th Amendment 'Repeal Movement' in the 20th 
   Century.  Take a look at this short piece on Pauline Sabin of the 
   movement to repeal the 18th amendment:  A theme of the undoing of the 
   'dry's' from early was their own self-destruct of unbending policies in 
   the face of a reality.   Sort of like TM's movement administration trying 
   to restrict and prohibit its own people from visiting other saints and 
   holy people and only relying on its own TM teachers and consultants.
   
   As comparison critique this is a thought provoking documentary on Pauline 
   Sabin and the movement to repeal the 18th Amendment, Have a look: 
   
   
   http://www.wgbh.org/programs/Baseball-The-Tenth-Inning-1199/episodes/Women-of-PROHIBITION-Pauline-Sabin-34763
   
   
   

 Yeah, you say this NOW, now that it's come out that
 he is married and has been for many years. But I wonder
 what excuses you make for him lying about it for so long,
 and to so many?

   
That is a really tough question. That could easily be someone's
   scholarly thesis topic alone on Fairfield. How meditators have dealt with 
   the
   deceit and moral dissonance of their leadership. That became more directly
   addressed in a series of posts by a range of old meditators writing on FFL
   between Christmas and New Year's a month ago. It was really interesting 
   to read
   how different people resolved their relationship with the Tmo.
   
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote:
   
Back then it seems the problems were more simply over the money, 
fund-raising technique and the anti-saint policy that were driving 
people away.


 Even Back then there were yet some lot