[FairfieldLife] Re: SV Hypothesis

2005-09-07 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the explanation. But of course as soon as we enter the domain of devas we've got

[FairfieldLife] Re: SV Hypothesis

2005-09-07 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] But that's exactly what this myth does: it provides a basis for quantification. From it we can construct testable hypotheses, e.g., people who

[FairfieldLife] Re: SV Hypothesis

2005-09-07 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] But that's exactly what this myth does: it provides a basis for

[FairfieldLife] Re: SV Hypothesis

2005-09-07 Thread anonymousff
Sorry Akasha, This is the point at which a conversation via the web gets tiresome and nit-picky. First I claim the irrelevance of your contribution, then you claim the irrelevance of mine. This reply is in no way an attempt at rebuttal. Perhaps, if we had been in the same room we would have

[FairfieldLife] Re: SV Hypothesis

2005-09-07 Thread anonymousff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] But that's exactly what this myth does: it provides a basis for

[FairfieldLife] Re: SV Hypothesis

2005-09-07 Thread anonymousff
This came from a talk given by an expert on Vastu sent by MMY to the MUM campus to review the campus some years ago. Actually, I think it may have been asuras, and not devas. I don't remember very well. Anyway, this seemed to be coming, not from MMY, but from the traditional understanding of

[FairfieldLife] Re: SV Hypothesis

2005-09-07 Thread akasha_108
Frankly I don't think we are really disagreeing on much of anything. The issue, quite minor, appears to be in one or both parties not fully seeing the point the other is making. And this can lead to claims that the counter points are not relevant to the prior point made -- though relevant in the

[FairfieldLife] Re: SV Hypothesis

2005-09-07 Thread akasha_108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL

[FairfieldLife] Re: SV Hypothesis

2005-09-07 Thread anonymousff
Thanks for your reply. No I'm not LBS (really), but maybe I should take that as a compliment. Anyway, please excuse any stupidity on my part. This seems to be ending amicably. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Frankly I don't think we are really

[FairfieldLife] Re: SV Hypothesis

2005-09-07 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for your reply. No I'm not LBS (really), but maybe I should take that as a compliment. Anyway, please excuse any stupidity on my part. This seems to be ending amicably. Don't want to interrupt, but what's LBS?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: SV Hypothesis

2005-09-07 Thread Rick Archer
LBS = LB Shriver, who posted here a lot in the past and espoused a process = product philosophy. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page

[FairfieldLife] Re: SV Hypothesis

2005-09-06 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Something along the following lines: A piece of land gets arbitrarily separated from everything else by some human being who puts a fence around it. Having done this, that property gets divided on a grid such that

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: SV Hypothesis

2005-09-06 Thread Peter
Thanks for the explanation. But of course as soon as we enter the domain of devas we've got problems Houston within a scientific paradigm. Not that I'm dismissing such an explanation, just that it hangs in the air as a myth until it can be quantified. And we are very far from that right now!

[FairfieldLife] Re: SV Hypothesis

2005-09-06 Thread akasha_108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the explanation. But of course as soon as we enter the domain of devas we've got problems Houston within a scientific paradigm. Because there are elements in the theory that are not (yet) observable? That does not

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: SV Hypothesis

2005-09-06 Thread Peter
--- anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the explanation. But of course as soon as we enter the domain of devas we've got problems Houston within a scientific paradigm. Not that I'm dismissing

[FairfieldLife] Re: SV Hypothesis

2005-09-06 Thread anonymousff
But Einstein's ideas evolved out of the very science that later embraced them and much later found evidence for them. The SV mythology does not arise from such an evolution. Scientists do not necessarily want to take any old pie in the sky explanation for how things work and test it

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: SV Hypothesis

2005-09-06 Thread Charity Cars, Inc.
lol @peter!!! very funny!!! - Original Message - From: Peter To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 1:25 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: SV Hypothesis --- anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife

[FairfieldLife] Re: SV Hypothesis

2005-09-06 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But Einstein's ideas evolved out of the very science that later embraced them and much later found evidence for them. The SV mythology does not arise from such an evolution. Scientists do not necessarily want to

[FairfieldLife] Re: SV Hypothesis

2005-09-06 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the explanation. But of course as soon as we enter the domain of devas we've got problems Houston within a scientific paradigm. Not that I'm dismissing such an explanation, just that it hangs in the air as a myth

[FairfieldLife] Re: SV Hypothesis

2005-09-06 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: LOL! I get this image of Bevan and King Tony tripping on mescaline rolling around on the ground with bugged-out eyes screaming, Right here man, right here! It's a power spot! Just in passing, many moons ago while

[FairfieldLife] Re: SV Hypothesis

2005-09-06 Thread anonymousff
omg, I mean Akasha: You usually have very astute observations to make on FFL. In this case, I am quite disappointed. The question is not by what mental mechanisms scientists come up with new ideas. I was addressing what makes a particular set of ideas be considered worthwhile to follow up on.

[FairfieldLife] Re: SV Hypothesis

2005-09-06 Thread anonymousff
Dear Judy, Your comments sound like a description of an idealized scientific world, where science is conducted in a sociological vacuum. Please refer to my response to Akasha on this topic for more of my opinion on this. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[FairfieldLife] Re: SV Hypothesis

2005-09-06 Thread anonymousff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] But that's exactly what this myth does: it provides a basis for quantification. From it we can construct testable hypotheses, e.g., people who live in homes with south-facing entrances will die at younger ages than those in

[FairfieldLife] Re: SV Hypothesis

2005-09-06 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Could someone tell me what is the vedic reasoning behind why a northern facing entrance to a building lowers the crime rate, sickness, etc. of those living in such a building? Can a functional hypothesis even be created

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: SV Hypothesis

2005-09-06 Thread Peter
--- authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the explanation. But of course as soon as we enter the domain of devas we've got problems Houston within a scientific paradigm. Not that I'm dismissing such an

[FairfieldLife] Re: SV Hypothesis

2005-09-06 Thread anonymousff
Love that word: zeitgeist --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think two things are confounded here. There are the empirical findings that correlate south facing entranced homes with greater diseases, deaths, etc., compared to north facing entranced homes.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: SV Hypothesis

2005-09-06 Thread Peter
One of those great words that you don't get to use too often but it really captures your intent at times. --- anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Love that word: zeitgeist --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think two things are confounded here.

[FairfieldLife] Re: SV Hypothesis

2005-09-06 Thread akasha_108
Your history of science lecture is a all good and fine. I agree with the essentials of everything your wrote. Making a lot of good points does not however make a good counter to the two points in question. They are not relevant, per my view, of the two quesions at hand. 1) Elements or predictions

[FairfieldLife] Re: SV Hypothesis

2005-09-06 Thread akasha_108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] But that's exactly what this myth does: it provides a basis for quantification. From it we can construct testable hypotheses, e.g., people who live

[FairfieldLife] Re: SV Hypothesis

2005-09-06 Thread Cliff
Vedic reasoning is an oxymoron, just like silent cry or Dodge Ram. There is no such thing. It's a system of belief, pure and simple. I'll buy Sparaig's cultural reason - the Aryan invaders came from the north, and I bet the Dravidian's were pissed off enough at being slaughtered and having their

[FairfieldLife] Re: SV Hypothesis

2005-09-06 Thread akasha_108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One of those great words that you don't get to use too often but it really captures your intent at times. Zeitgeist of theory. Many conceptual Gestalts. I said Gesundheit. Yahoo! Groups

[FairfieldLife] Re: SV Hypothesis

2005-09-06 Thread akasha_108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Cliff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Vedic reasoning is an oxymoron, just like silent cry or Dodge Ram. There is no such thing. It's a system of belief, pure and simple. Um, perhaps there are some flaws in vedic logic and reasoning systems that can be argued.

[FairfieldLife] Re: SV Hypothesis

2005-09-06 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the explanation. But of course as soon as we enter the domain of devas we've got problems Houston within a scientific paradigm. Not that I'm dismissing such an explanation, just that it hangs in the air as a myth

[FairfieldLife] Re: SV Hypothesis

2005-09-06 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh, I see. I jumped into this conversation without having read any of its preamble. I thought you wanted to know how SV justifies itself. What I gave you is from the mythology that comes with the Vastu package prior

[FairfieldLife] Re: SV Hypothesis

2005-09-06 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But Einstein's ideas evolved out of the very science that later embraced them and much later found evidence for them. The SV mythology does not arise from such an evolution. Scientists do not necessarily want to

[FairfieldLife] Re: SV Hypothesis

2005-09-06 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] But that's exactly what this myth does: it provides a basis for quantification. From it we can construct testable hypotheses, e.g., people who

[FairfieldLife] Re: SV Hypothesis

2005-09-06 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Cliff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Vedic reasoning is an oxymoron, just like silent cry or Dodge Ram. There is no such thing. It's a system of belief, pure and simple. I'll buy Sparaig's cultural reason - the Aryan invaders came from the north, and I bet

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: SV Hypothesis

2005-09-06 Thread Peter
--- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But Einstein's ideas evolved out of the very science that later embraced them and much later found evidence for them. The SV mythology does not arise from such an

[FairfieldLife] Re: SV Hypothesis

2005-09-06 Thread akasha_108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Cliff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Vedic reasoning is an oxymoron, just like silent cry or Dodge Ram. There is no such thing. It's a system of belief, pure and simple. I'll buy

[FairfieldLife] Re: SV Hypothesis

2005-09-06 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But Einstein's ideas evolved out of the very science that later embraced them and much later

[FairfieldLife] Re: SV Hypothesis

2005-09-06 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Cliff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Vedic reasoning is an oxymoron, just like silent cry or Dodge Ram.

[FairfieldLife] Re: SV Hypothesis

2005-09-06 Thread akasha_108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Cliff [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[FairfieldLife] Re: SV Hypothesis

2005-09-06 Thread Cliff
Modern scientific thought is based on Newtonian Gravity? Not for the last 90 years or so. Ever heard of Einsteinian Relativity? Newtonian Gravitational theory was quite fundamental for hundreds of years, but has been proven to be a good approximation of reality as long as nothing is moving too

[FairfieldLife] Re: SV Hypothesis

2005-09-06 Thread Cliff
This only goes to prove the point. South is only south because the first mapmakers lived in what is now called the northern hemisphere. They decided they wanted to be on top (probably men), so they drew maps with their countries above all those nasty, dark-skinned people who lived below them.

[FairfieldLife] Re: SV Hypothesis

2005-09-06 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Cliff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Modern scientific thought is based on Newtonian Gravity? Not for the last 90 years or so. Ever heard of Einsteinian Relativity? Newtonian Gravitational theory was quite fundamental for hundreds of years, but has been