[FairfieldLife] Re: Saddam Hussein: feminist icon and liberator of women

[off_world_beings]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 , "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 , Richard Williams 
> wrote:
> >
> > > > Houston we have a big F'n problem here.
> > > >
> > Judy wrote:
> > > If we spend all our energy deconstructing Sarah
> > > while neglecting to do the same for McCain,
> > > those who are moved to protest our treatment of
> > > her by voting for the Republican ticket won't have
> > > been given any reason *not* to.
> > >
> > Sarah Palin has more exuctive experience than Joe
> > Biden and she probably has better judgement as well.
> >
> > Biden voted *against* gulf war 1 and the U.S. won
> > the war. If we had listened to Joe Biden, Saddam
> > would be in control of Kuwait and probably Saudi
> > Arabia as well - Saddam would be the head of OPEC
> > by now.
>
>
> I agree with you, of course, Richard.
>
> But one thing we have to admit: if the mass-murdering freedom-
> violating dictator Saddam had, indeed, been left to his own devices
> and was, today, in control of both Kuwait and Saudi Arabia, as you
> hypothesize above, 50% of the populations of both of those countries
> would be freer -- MUCH freer -- than they are today.
>
> I'm talking of course, about the women of those two countries.  For
> all his murderous faults, Saddam was for equality of the sexes and
> for the elimination of pretty much all those horrible things that
> middle eastern countries are known for vis a vis mistreating their
> women.
>
> This is a legitimate point to make because it is the Bush
> Administration that keeps reminding us -- and rightly so -- how much
> that they have done for the women of Afghanistan, freeing them from
> the misogynistic suppression of the Taliban.
>
> Well, folks, what's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.
> Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, and the Taliban are all pretty much equal-
> opportunity repressors of women...and Saddam would no doubt have made
> the lot of women much, much better in both Kuwait and Saudi Arabia,
> just as he did in Iraq.>>

Wow, Shemp, you're telling us what we have been telling you for years.
There was more freedom under Saddam than under the American regime
there.

Well done, you finally woke up. Too late for the hundreds of  thousands
children killed and mutilated, millions of people displaced, and all
resemblence of modern civilized society wiped off the face of the map by
the invasion. But hey, who cares if Iraq is now an ungovernable zone,
free for rapists and women-oppressors to roam, and a breeding zone for
American hating fanatics.

Saddam may have been an oppressor, but no-one else was able to control
that region and America is trillion in debt, while the Iraqi government
officials are holding on to an 80 billion surplus until the Americans
leave, then they will appropriate it for their own personal use.

Good job BushSheep.

OffWorld

[FairfieldLife] Re: Saddam Hussein

[bob_brigante]

Hey, at least Saddam was lucky Iran didn't get a chance to hang him:

http://www.slate.com/id/2156656/

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Saddam Hussein

[MDixon6569]

 
In a message dated 1/3/07 9:47:54 A.M. Central Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

we dont  know much beyo9nd the propaganda



Are you saying the *propaganda* is a lie?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Saddam Hussein

[Louis McKenzie]

we dont know much beyo9nd the propaganda

authfriend <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
"sparaig" wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote:
> >
> > 
> > In a message dated 1/2/07 12:22:00 A.M. Central Standard Time, 
> > jr_esq@ writes:
> > 
> > At the very least, we can say Saddam was misguided, or went 
astray. 
> > He had his own intepretation of his Muslim faith. He apparently 
> > believed that the end justifies the means.
> > 
> > This failure to make the right choice of actions is the main 
cause to 
> > all of the problems today, specifically those that are related 
to 
> > religion and dogmas.
> > 
> > The initial failure may start on a personal basis, such as 
verbal 
> > criticisms or hatred. If not caught early this error can 
snowball 
> > into a full scale war resulting in the deaths of many lives, as 
we 
> > see in Iraq and Afghanistan today.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > This is really really putting it mildly. Saddam's own mother 
tried to abort 
> > him. He grew up murdering people and associating with murderers. 
He was 
> > involved in assassination attempts and once he seized power he 
killed those he 
> > didn't trust.< There is no comparison to the wars he started and 
the current 
> > wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Saddam's war with Iran started over 
an oil rich 
> > strip of land he wanted and millions died for it. His war with 
the 
> > U.N.coalition, was over his attempt to annex a sovereign, oil 
rich country, Kuwait. 
> > Saddam killed via murder, war, and genocide for his own personal 
power and glory.
> >
> 
> Yet he still maintained some degree of family ties. He was no doubt 
pathological in many 
> ways, but was NOT non-functional in Society.

Sociopaths are not typically dysfunctional in
society; they can be very high-functioning
people.

>




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Saddam Hussein

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:

> > > Yet he still maintained some degree of family ties.
> > > He was no doubt pathological in many 
> > > ways, but was NOT non-functional in Society.
> > 
> > Sociopaths are not typically dysfunctional in
> > society; they can be very high-functioning
> > people.
> > 
> Depends on your definition.  The definition of
> *sociopath* as opposed to *psychopath* includes
> the inability to hold a job for any length of time.

That's one possible manifestation, but if you're a
dictator (or a CEO), there's nobody to fire you, so
it doesn't apply.  All the other criteria do, though
(and you don't have to have all of them, only three).
Saddam was a classic sociopath:

Diagnostic criteria (DSM-IV-TR)
The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders DSM-IV, a 
widely used manual for diagnosing mental and behavioral disorders, 
defines antisocial personality disorder [sociopathy--JS] as a 
pervasive pattern of disregard for and violation of the rights of 
others occurring since age 15, as indicated by three (or more) of the 
following:

--failure to conform to social norms with respect to lawful behaviors 
as indicated by repeatedly performing acts that are grounds for 
arrest 
--deceitfulness, as indicated by repeated lying, use of aliases, or 
conning others for personal profit or pleasure 
--impulsivity or failure to plan ahead 
--irritability and aggressiveness, as indicated by repeated fights or 
assaults (both physically or mentally) 
--reckless disregard for safety of self or others 
--consistent irresponsibility, as indicated by repeated failure to 
sustain steady work or honor financial obligations 
--lack of remorse, as indicated by being indifferent to or 
rationalizing having hurt, mistreated, or stolen from another 

The manual lists the following additional necessary criteria:

The individual is at least 18 years of age. 
There is evidence of conduct disorder with onset before age 15 years. 
The occurrence of antisocial behavior is not exclusively during the 
course of Schizophrenia or a Manic Episode.


And, with reference to Saddam's behavior at
his execution:

Research has shown that individuals with antisocial personality 
disorder are indifferent to the possibility of physical pain or many 
punishments, and show no indications that they experience fear when 
so threatened. This may explain their apparent disregard for the 
consequences of their actions, and their aforementioned lack of 
empathy.

>From Wikipedia.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Saddam Hussein

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote:
> > >
> > >  
> > > In a message dated 1/2/07 12:22:00 A.M. Central Standard Time,  
> > > jr_esq@ writes:
> > > 
> > > At the  very least, we can say Saddam was misguided, or went 
> astray. 
> > > He had his  own intepretation of his Muslim faith. He apparently 
> > > believed that the end  justifies the means.
> > > 
> > > This failure to make the right choice of actions  is the main 
> cause to 
> > > all of the problems today, specifically those that  are related 
> to 
> > > religion and dogmas.
> > > 
> > > The initial failure may start  on a personal basis, such as 
> verbal 
> > > criticisms or hatred. If not caught  early this error can 
> snowball 
> > > into a full scale war resulting in the  deaths of many lives, as 
> we 
> > > see in Iraq and Afghanistan  today.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > This is really really putting it mildly. Saddam's own mother 
> tried to  abort 
> > > him. He grew up murdering people and associating with murderers. 
> He was  
> > > involved in assassination attempts and once he seized power he 
> killed those he  
> > > didn't trust.< There is no comparison to the wars he started and 
> the current  
> > > wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Saddam's war with Iran started over 
> an oil rich  
> > > strip of land he wanted and millions died for it. His war with 
> the   
> > > U.N.coalition, was over his attempt to annex a sovereign, oil 
> rich country,  Kuwait. 
> > > Saddam killed via murder, war, and genocide for his own  personal 
> power and glory.
> > >
> > 
> > Yet he still maintained some degree of family ties. He was no doubt 
> pathological in many 
> > ways, but was NOT non-functional in Society.
> 
> Sociopaths are not typically dysfunctional in
> society; they can be very high-functioning
> people.
> 
> >
>

Depends on your definition.  The definition of *sociopath* as opposed to 
*psychopath* 
includes the inability to hold a job for any length of time. 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Saddam Hussein

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote:
> >
> >  
> > In a message dated 1/2/07 12:22:00 A.M. Central Standard Time,  
> > jr_esq@ writes:
> > 
> > At the  very least, we can say Saddam was misguided, or went 
astray. 
> > He had his  own intepretation of his Muslim faith. He apparently 
> > believed that the end  justifies the means.
> > 
> > This failure to make the right choice of actions  is the main 
cause to 
> > all of the problems today, specifically those that  are related 
to 
> > religion and dogmas.
> > 
> > The initial failure may start  on a personal basis, such as 
verbal 
> > criticisms or hatred. If not caught  early this error can 
snowball 
> > into a full scale war resulting in the  deaths of many lives, as 
we 
> > see in Iraq and Afghanistan  today.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > This is really really putting it mildly. Saddam's own mother 
tried to  abort 
> > him. He grew up murdering people and associating with murderers. 
He was  
> > involved in assassination attempts and once he seized power he 
killed those he  
> > didn't trust.< There is no comparison to the wars he started and 
the current  
> > wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Saddam's war with Iran started over 
an oil rich  
> > strip of land he wanted and millions died for it. His war with 
the   
> > U.N.coalition, was over his attempt to annex a sovereign, oil 
rich country,  Kuwait. 
> > Saddam killed via murder, war, and genocide for his own  personal 
power and glory.
> >
> 
> Yet he still maintained some degree of family ties. He was no doubt 
pathological in many 
> ways, but was NOT non-functional in Society.

Sociopaths are not typically dysfunctional in
society; they can be very high-functioning
people.

>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Saddam Hussein

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>  
> In a message dated 1/2/07 12:22:00 A.M. Central Standard Time,  
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
> At the  very least, we can say Saddam was misguided, or went astray. 
> He had his  own intepretation of his Muslim faith. He apparently 
> believed that the end  justifies the means.
> 
> This failure to make the right choice of actions  is the main cause to 
> all of the problems today, specifically those that  are related to 
> religion and dogmas.
> 
> The initial failure may start  on a personal basis, such as verbal 
> criticisms or hatred. If not caught  early this error can snowball 
> into a full scale war resulting in the  deaths of many lives, as we 
> see in Iraq and Afghanistan  today.
> 
> 
> 
> This is really really putting it mildly. Saddam's own mother tried to  abort 
> him. He grew up murdering people and associating with murderers. He was  
> involved in assassination attempts and once he seized power he killed those 
> he  
> didn't trust.< There is no comparison to the wars he started and the current  
> wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Saddam's war with Iran started over an oil rich 
>  
> strip of land he wanted and millions died for it. His war with the   
> U.N.coalition, was over his attempt to annex a sovereign, oil rich country,  
> Kuwait. 
> Saddam killed via murder, war, and genocide for his own  personal power and 
> glory.
>

Yet he still maintained some degree of family ties. He was no doubt 
pathological in many 
ways, but was NOT non-functional in Society.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Saddam Hussein

[Jason Spock]

 
  Kuwait is an artificial state like Israel.  The British greedy for Oil, 
carved Kuwait out of Iraq and also cut Iraq from access to the Sea.  Iraq as a 
legitimate claim over Kuwait just as Egypt has over the suez canal.
   
  Saddam was the strongest supporter of the Palestinian cause.
   
  The Palestinians are really pissed off at Saddam's execution.  This could 
backfire on the Western world.  Soon Saddam will be seen as an martyr.
   
   Saddam should have been bundled to Saudi Arabia or Sudan like Idi Amin.

[EMAIL PROTECTED]  wrote:
  Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 07:49:25 EST
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Saddam Hussein
   
   
  This is really really putting it mildly. Saddam's own mother tried to abort 
him. He grew up murdering people and associating with murderers. He was 
involved in assassination attempts and once he seized power he killed those he 
didn't trust.< There is no comparison to the wars he started and the current 
wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Saddam's war with Iran started over an oil rich 
strip of land he wanted and millions died for it. His war with the  
U.N.coalition, was over his attempt to annex a sovereign, oil rich country, 
Kuwait. Saddam killed via murder, war, and genocide for his own personal power 
and glory.
   
   

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Saddam Hussein

[larry.potter]

this "martyr" was also a video games wiz.. ?!~/|lolQ?`


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Louis McKenzie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> This is the one site where I can write this and feel safe about it.
> 
> Just about everything I have ever heard on the news about Saddam 
Hussein was propaganda.  Especially since I did not hear of him very 
much until 1991.   He had been President of Iraq from 68.   Seems 
strange that when he would really make the news would be when he 
invaded Kuwait.  He was not killed over Kuwait but this is when he 
made the news.  He did not make the news when he killed 148 Shiites 
nor when he was fighting on behalf of the US with Iran.   He was not 
killed because of these things either.   Why was he killed?  How 
many people has George Bush killed?  Since SH never actulled pulled 
the trigger or dropped any bombs or gassed any people either.  If we 
add up all of the pople that he killed vs all of the people Killed 
by GW I think GW would get the prize.   
> 
> WHAT IS WRONG WITH THIS PICTURE?
> 
> In the US we have a guy who was never elected to the office he 
holds, who stole the election which made him president.  Who lied to 
the world in his propaganda to invadea country.   A person who 
created a catastrophy in his own country, in order to get control of 
a region to support a pipeline.  What had happened to justice? what 
has happened to democracy?  what is the real story of the world we 
live in?  Why was Saddam really killed?   These are my questions on 
this subject.  
> 
> Saddam will be seen as a martyr because he is one.  He is a 
product of what happens when you support the US.   He never had 
anything to do with Terror.   He gave up the weapons the US gave him 
in following the rules laid by the US.  WHY WAS HIS COUNTRY INVADED 
AND WHY WERE SO MANY COUNTRIES PASSIVE TO THIS EVENT?  WHAT IS THE 
REAL SITUATION HERE?  WHY DO AMERICANS SO READY ACCEPT AND FORGET?  
> 
> HELP ME BECAUSE I NEED TO KNOW.
> 
> 
> - Original Message 
> From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, January 2, 2007 10:28:00 AM
> Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Saddam Hussein
> 
> 
> In a message dated 1/1/07 11:20:46 P.M. Central Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> In his own mind, he was about to die a martyr.
> 
> Sociopath that he was, he had a very powerful
> personality that wouldn't be likely to fall apart
> in the face of death. He knew this was the end,
> and he was determined to do it well.
> 
> I would have to go with this take on Saddam. He knew what was 
coming and had lots of time to prepare for it. Had he been in the 
hands of his American jailors up to within a couple of hours of his 
hanging I could conceive of them giving him a mild tranquilizer to 
help him be calm. But I think he had been handed over to Iraqi 
authorities long enough that anything would have worn off and they 
definitely wouldn't have wanted to do anything to make his execution 
easier for him.  
> 
> 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Saddam Hussein

[Louis McKenzie]

This is the one site where I can write this and feel safe about it.

Just about everything I have ever heard on the news about Saddam Hussein was 
propaganda.  Especially since I did not hear of him very much until 1991.   He 
had been President of Iraq from 68.   Seems strange that when he would really 
make the news would be when he invaded Kuwait.  He was not killed over Kuwait 
but this is when he made the news.  He did not make the news when he killed 148 
Shiites nor when he was fighting on behalf of the US with Iran.   He was not 
killed because of these things either.   Why was he killed?  How many people 
has George Bush killed?  Since SH never actulled pulled the trigger or dropped 
any bombs or gassed any people either.  If we add up all of the pople that he 
killed vs all of the people Killed by GW I think GW would get the prize.   

WHAT IS WRONG WITH THIS PICTURE?

In the US we have a guy who was never elected to the office he holds, who stole 
the election which made him president.  Who lied to the world in his propaganda 
to invadea country.   A person who created a catastrophy in his own country, in 
order to get control of a region to support a pipeline.  What had happened to 
justice? what has happened to democracy?  what is the real story of the world 
we live in?  Why was Saddam really killed?   These are my questions on this 
subject.  

Saddam will be seen as a martyr because he is one.  He is a product of what 
happens when you support the US.   He never had anything to do with Terror.   
He gave up the weapons the US gave him in following the rules laid by the US.  
WHY WAS HIS COUNTRY INVADED AND WHY WERE SO MANY COUNTRIES PASSIVE TO THIS 
EVENT?  WHAT IS THE REAL SITUATION HERE?  WHY DO AMERICANS SO READY ACCEPT AND 
FORGET?  

HELP ME BECAUSE I NEED TO KNOW.


- Original Message 
From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 2, 2007 10:28:00 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Saddam Hussein


In a message dated 1/1/07 11:20:46 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL 
PROTECTED] writes:
In his own mind, he was about to die a martyr.

Sociopath that he was, he had a very powerful
personality that wouldn't be likely to fall apart
in the face of death. He knew this was the end,
and he was determined to do it well.

I would have to go with this take on Saddam. He knew what was coming and had 
lots of time to prepare for it. Had he been in the hands of his American 
jailors up to within a couple of hours of his hanging I could conceive of them 
giving him a mild tranquilizer to help him be calm. But I think he had been 
handed over to Iraqi authorities long enough that anything would have worn off 
and they definitely wouldn't have wanted to do anything to make his execution 
easier for him.  


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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Saddam Hussein

[MDixon6569]

 
In a message dated 1/2/07 12:22:00 A.M. Central Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

At the  very least, we can say Saddam was misguided, or went astray. 
He had his  own intepretation of his Muslim faith. He apparently 
believed that the end  justifies the means.

This failure to make the right choice of actions  is the main cause to 
all of the problems today, specifically those that  are related to 
religion and dogmas.

The initial failure may start  on a personal basis, such as verbal 
criticisms or hatred. If not caught  early this error can snowball 
into a full scale war resulting in the  deaths of many lives, as we 
see in Iraq and Afghanistan  today.



This is really really putting it mildly. Saddam's own mother tried to  abort 
him. He grew up murdering people and associating with murderers. He was  
involved in assassination attempts and once he seized power he killed those he  
didn't trust.< There is no comparison to the wars he started and the current  
wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Saddam's war with Iran started over an oil rich  
strip of land he wanted and millions died for it. His war with the   
U.N.coalition, was over his attempt to annex a sovereign, oil rich country,  
Kuwait. 
Saddam killed via murder, war, and genocide for his own  personal power and 
glory.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Saddam Hussein

[Vaj]

On Jan 2, 2007, at 12:35 AM, Peter wrote:



--- sparaig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante



wrote:


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,

"suziezuzie" 

wrote:


Was Saddam Hussein on drugs when he was

executed? I thought he

was

pretty composed considering a man who was

about to be hanged,

arguing

with his executioners and the people who

witnessed his last

moments.

Mark




I'm quite sure he was not on drugs -- when a

guard praised Moqtada,

Saddam mocked him, and when the guard said "May

God damn you,"

Saddam

said the same to him. He also made the decision

not to wear the

hood,

but accepted the scarf around his neck in order

to keep the rope

from

cutting through his neck after the guards tipped

him off to this

possibility, so he was alert and clearly not

doped up.


In his own mind, he was about to die a martyr.

Sociopath that he was, he had a very powerful
personality that wouldn't be likely to fall apart
in the face of death.  He knew this was the end,
and he was determined to do it well.



I don't think he was a sociopath, or at least not a
full-blown one.


Really? Why not? What's your take on him.


RAD kid.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Saddam Hussein

[MDixon6569]

 
In a message dated 1/1/07 11:20:46 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

In his  own mind, he was about to die a martyr.

Sociopath that he was, he had a  very powerful
personality that wouldn't be likely to fall apart
in the  face of death. He knew this was the end,
and he was determined to do it  well.



I would have to go with this take on Saddam. He knew what was coming and  had 
lots of time to prepare for it. Had he been in the hands of his American  
jailors up to within a couple of hours of his hanging I could conceive of them  
giving him a mild tranquilizer to help him be calm. But I think he had been  
handed over to Iraqi authorities long enough that anything would have worn  off 
and they definitely wouldn't have wanted to do anything to make his  execution 
easier for him.  

[FairfieldLife] Re: Saddam Hussein

[John]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > --- sparaig  wrote:
> > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"
> > >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante
> > >  
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
> > > "suziezuzie"  
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Was Saddam Hussein on drugs when he was
> > > executed? I thought he 
> > > > was 
> > > > > > pretty composed considering a man who was
> > > about to be hanged, 
> > > > arguing 
> > > > > > with his executioners and the people who
> > > witnessed his last 
> > > > moments. 
> > > > > > Mark
> > > > > >
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > I'm quite sure he was not on drugs -- when a
> > > guard praised Moqtada, 
> > > > > Saddam mocked him, and when the guard said "May
> > > God damn you," 
> > > > Saddam 
> > > > > said the same to him. He also made the decision
> > > not to wear the 
> > > > hood, 
> > > > > but accepted the scarf around his neck in order
> > > to keep the rope 
> > > > from 
> > > > > cutting through his neck after the guards tipped
> > > him off to this 
> > > > > possibility, so he was alert and clearly not
> > > doped up.
> > > > 
> > > > In his own mind, he was about to die a martyr.
> > > > 
> > > > Sociopath that he was, he had a very powerful
> > > > personality that wouldn't be likely to fall apart
> > > > in the face of death.  He knew this was the end,
> > > > and he was determined to do it well.
> > > >
> > > 
> > > I don't think he was a sociopath, or at least not a
> > > full-blown one.
> > 
> > Really? Why not? What's your take on him.
> > 
> 
> He had some concept of family ties, for example...
>

At the very least, we can say Saddam was misguided, or went astray.  
He had his own intepretation of his Muslim faith.  He apparently 
believed that the end justifies the means.

This failure to make the right choice of actions is the main cause to 
all of the problems today, specifically those that are related to 
religion and dogmas.

The initial failure may start on a personal basis, such as verbal 
criticisms or hatred.  If not caught early this error can snowball 
into a full scale war resulting in the deaths of many lives, as we 
see in Iraq and Afghanistan today.

This brings us to the topic of the eternal struggle between good and 
evil.  Do humans have a choice on the matter?  Are we just an 
unwilling participant of the wars between the demigods and demons, or 
the angels and devils?

Regards,

John R.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Saddam Hussein

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> --- sparaig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante
> >  
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
> > "suziezuzie"  
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Was Saddam Hussein on drugs when he was
> > executed? I thought he 
> > > was 
> > > > > pretty composed considering a man who was
> > about to be hanged, 
> > > arguing 
> > > > > with his executioners and the people who
> > witnessed his last 
> > > moments. 
> > > > > Mark
> > > > >
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > I'm quite sure he was not on drugs -- when a
> > guard praised Moqtada, 
> > > > Saddam mocked him, and when the guard said "May
> > God damn you," 
> > > Saddam 
> > > > said the same to him. He also made the decision
> > not to wear the 
> > > hood, 
> > > > but accepted the scarf around his neck in order
> > to keep the rope 
> > > from 
> > > > cutting through his neck after the guards tipped
> > him off to this 
> > > > possibility, so he was alert and clearly not
> > doped up.
> > > 
> > > In his own mind, he was about to die a martyr.
> > > 
> > > Sociopath that he was, he had a very powerful
> > > personality that wouldn't be likely to fall apart
> > > in the face of death.  He knew this was the end,
> > > and he was determined to do it well.
> > >
> > 
> > I don't think he was a sociopath, or at least not a
> > full-blown one.
> 
> Really? Why not? What's your take on him.
> 

He had some concept of family ties, for example...

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Saddam Hussein

[Peter]

--- sparaig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante
>  
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
> "suziezuzie"  
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Was Saddam Hussein on drugs when he was
> executed? I thought he 
> > was 
> > > > pretty composed considering a man who was
> about to be hanged, 
> > arguing 
> > > > with his executioners and the people who
> witnessed his last 
> > moments. 
> > > > Mark
> > > >
> > > 
> > > 
> > > I'm quite sure he was not on drugs -- when a
> guard praised Moqtada, 
> > > Saddam mocked him, and when the guard said "May
> God damn you," 
> > Saddam 
> > > said the same to him. He also made the decision
> not to wear the 
> > hood, 
> > > but accepted the scarf around his neck in order
> to keep the rope 
> > from 
> > > cutting through his neck after the guards tipped
> him off to this 
> > > possibility, so he was alert and clearly not
> doped up.
> > 
> > In his own mind, he was about to die a martyr.
> > 
> > Sociopath that he was, he had a very powerful
> > personality that wouldn't be likely to fall apart
> > in the face of death.  He knew this was the end,
> > and he was determined to do it well.
> >
> 
> I don't think he was a sociopath, or at least not a
> full-blown one.

Really? Why not? What's your take on him.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Saddam Hussein

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "suziezuzie"  
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Was Saddam Hussein on drugs when he was executed? I thought he 
> was 
> > > pretty composed considering a man who was about to be hanged, 
> arguing 
> > > with his executioners and the people who witnessed his last 
> moments. 
> > > Mark
> > >
> > 
> > 
> > I'm quite sure he was not on drugs -- when a guard praised Moqtada, 
> > Saddam mocked him, and when the guard said "May God damn you," 
> Saddam 
> > said the same to him. He also made the decision not to wear the 
> hood, 
> > but accepted the scarf around his neck in order to keep the rope 
> from 
> > cutting through his neck after the guards tipped him off to this 
> > possibility, so he was alert and clearly not doped up.
> 
> In his own mind, he was about to die a martyr.
> 
> Sociopath that he was, he had a very powerful
> personality that wouldn't be likely to fall apart
> in the face of death.  He knew this was the end,
> and he was determined to do it well.
>

I don't think he was a sociopath, or at least not a full-blown one.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Saddam Hussein

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "suziezuzie"  
> wrote:
> >
> > Was Saddam Hussein on drugs when he was executed? I thought he 
was 
> > pretty composed considering a man who was about to be hanged, 
arguing 
> > with his executioners and the people who witnessed his last 
moments. 
> > Mark
> >
> 
> 
> I'm quite sure he was not on drugs -- when a guard praised Moqtada, 
> Saddam mocked him, and when the guard said "May God damn you," 
Saddam 
> said the same to him. He also made the decision not to wear the 
hood, 
> but accepted the scarf around his neck in order to keep the rope 
from 
> cutting through his neck after the guards tipped him off to this 
> possibility, so he was alert and clearly not doped up.

In his own mind, he was about to die a martyr.

Sociopath that he was, he had a very powerful
personality that wouldn't be likely to fall apart
in the face of death.  He knew this was the end,
and he was determined to do it well.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Saddam Hussein

[bob_brigante]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "suziezuzie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> Was Saddam Hussein on drugs when he was executed? I thought he was 
> pretty composed considering a man who was about to be hanged, arguing 
> with his executioners and the people who witnessed his last moments. 
> Mark
>


I'm quite sure he was not on drugs -- when a guard praised Moqtada, 
Saddam mocked him, and when the guard said "May God damn you," Saddam 
said the same to him. He also made the decision not to wear the hood, 
but accepted the scarf around his neck in order to keep the rope from 
cutting through his neck after the guards tipped him off to this 
possibility, so he was alert and clearly not doped up.

graphic footage from cellphone camera:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7532034279766935521

[FairfieldLife] Re: Saddam Hussein

[nablus108]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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>  
> In a message dated 7/9/06 4:37:01 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
> INvolvement, perhaps. Directing? Not hardly likely. In fact, given 
that  the 
> US government 
> already knew of plans by Al Qaeda to attack Bush by  using hijacked 
airplanes 
> as weapons 
> and had warned the Italian government  of the possibility during 
Bush's visit 
> only a month 
> or so earlier, to NOT  make the Al Qaeda connection immediately 
would have 
> been  
> ludicrous.
> 
> 
> 
> Nobody I know of in government ever said Saddam  was  involved in 
any aspect 
> of 911. But then again I don't think anybody would have  been 
surprised had 
> his fingers been involved in some way aiding Al  Qaeda.

Saddam was not involved with the 9/11 disaster. And he is very dead 
by the way, blown away during the first night of bombings in Baghdad. 
The fellow on trial is a double.

For more information, please see: http://www.shareintl.org
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