[FairfieldLife] Re: Saintly Feedback to the TM Movement
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: It's very unfortunate news for the Fairfield Dome community that they have returned to the strict anti-saint policy, considering how many people went over to India and saw saints just recently. Purusha in India continues to see saints. Down in Boone meditators see saints. So much for the flower of the movement. John Douglas comes to Fairfield in just a few days. http://www.spirit-repair.com/shop/workshops I would love to know what your definition of saint is. Or at least the definition of those who go to see these people. The Saintly: Spiritually activated folks who carry a field effect that is healing physically or in consciousness in positive transformative spiritual affect on people. It's that simple, we know them when we meet them in the work of their lifetime. Saint aka, 'charismatic' or intuitive. Weber, in an oft quoted passage, defined charisma as ... a certain quality of an individual personality, by virtue of which [s/]he is set apart from ordinary [people] and treated as endowed with supernatural, superhuman, or at least specifically exceptional powers or qualities. These are such as are not accessible to the ordinary person, but are regarded as of divine origin or as exemplary, and on the basis of them the individual concerned is treated as a leader. Quoted from: When Prophets Die, The Postcharismatic Fate of New Religious Movements, Timothy Miller, 1991. Page 1, Introduction. [Melton] When Prophets Die: The Succession Crisis in New Religions. Notes, page 197, Max Weber, The Theory of Social and Economic Organization (New York; Oxford University Press, 1947), 358-59. Quoted in Keith A. Roberts, Religion in Sociological Perspective (Homewood, IL: Dorsey Press, 1984), 184. From FFL post 335353 : It is relatively helpful in looking at this [charismatic] holy subject to graph comparatively the Saintly or Holy ones in a Distribution by Graphing their Saintly Distribution as data pairs on a Cartesian x-y axis. It seems most everyone here in Fairfield has developed a graph somewhat like this that they work off of from their own experience in sorting [reconciling] the [moral] spiritual dissonance they've seen. See FFL post 335353 for the graph http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/335353 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/335353 Trouble? For the community? Well yes, things evidently went backwards recently with the movement guidelines. Talked to someone just recently, an old movement campaigner who was denied employment up there because would not sign a paper pledging to never see saints again. This is a highly competent long time movement person in the community that they had sought out for employment in to a position. After the discussion the person turned around and called the course office people to check the guidelines and it was confirmed the guidelines are back again to old governors not seeing saints to be involved with the movement. Thanks for taking the time and having the courage to post this here. your last six words bothered me just a little. In what way? As in fearful of repercussions for expressing one's opinions? If so, do you really feel this way? Trouble? Yes, someone in the course office could view [judge] Trowbridge as being negative and un-stressing in the act of posting his letter. As JT values coming back to the group meditation he could have created trouble for himself. Tru-believers in the middle easily could see Trowbridge being disloyal and lacking in fealty. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Beautiful. Thanks for taking the time and having the courage to post this here. -Buck in the Dome Ditto. In fact, worth saying again: *Beautiful*, Mr. Trowbridge. Perhaps it will be read by people with the ability to affect the changes of which you write. your last six words bothered me just a little. In what way? As in fearful of repercussions for expressing one's opinions? If so, do you really feel this way? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jwtrowbridge johnwtrowbridge@ wrote: I would like to give feedback from the perspective of one who loves TM, but not how the organization is run. I have wanted to do so for many years. I feel I have a unique perspective to do so. I am not angry. I am not dependent on TM other than my
[FairfieldLife] Re: Saintly Feedback to the TM Movement
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: It's very unfortunate news for the Fairfield Dome community that they have returned to the strict anti-saint policy, considering how many people went over to India and saw saints just recently. Purusha in India continues to see saints. Down in Boone meditators see saints. So much for the flower of the movement. John Douglas comes to Fairfield in just a few days. http://www.spirit-repair.com/shop/workshops I would love to know what your definition of saint is. Or at least the definition of those who go to see these people. The Saintly: Spiritually activated folks who carry a field effect that is healing physically or in consciousness in positive transformative spiritual affect on people. It's that simple, we know them when we meet them in the work of their lifetime. From FFL post 335353 : It is relatively helpful in looking at this holy subject to graph comparatively the Saintly or Holy ones in a Distribution by Graphing their Saintly Distribution as data pairs on a Cartesian x-y axis. It seems most everyone here in Fairfield has developed a graph somewhat like this that they work off of from their own experience in sorting [reconciling] the [moral] spiritual dissonance they've seen. See FFL post 335353 for the graph http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/335353 Trouble? For the community? Well yes, things evidently went backwards recently with the movement guidelines. Talked to someone just recently, an old movement campaigner who was denied employment up there because would not sign a paper pledging to never see saints again. This is a highly competent long time movement person in the community that they had sought out for employment in to a position. After the discussion the person turned around and called the course office people to check the guidelines and it was confirmed the guidelines are back again to old governors not seeing saints to be involved with the movement. Thanks for taking the time and having the courage to post this here. your last six words bothered me just a little. In what way? As in fearful of repercussions for expressing one's opinions? If so, do you really feel this way? Trouble? Yes, someone in the course office could view [judge] Trowbridge as being negative and un-stressing in the act of posting his letter. As JT values coming back to the group meditation he could have created trouble for himself. Tru-believers in the middle easily could see Trowbridge being disloyal and lacking in fealty. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Beautiful. Thanks for taking the time and having the courage to post this here. -Buck in the Dome Ditto. In fact, worth saying again: *Beautiful*, Mr. Trowbridge. Perhaps it will be read by people with the ability to affect the changes of which you write. your last six words bothered me just a little. In what way? As in fearful of repercussions for expressing one's opinions? If so, do you really feel this way? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jwtrowbridge johnwtrowbridge@ wrote: I would like to give feedback from the perspective of one who loves TM, but not how the organization is run. I have wanted to do so for many years. I feel I have a unique perspective to do so. I am not angry. I am not dependent on TM other than my wonderful program I practice. I have no ax to grind other than a genuine desire to see the organization succeed. I wish to help this organization from the point of view of one who is a family man, a professional who sees the divinity of my practice, and the missteps of the organization. My TM program is the only time during the day that I know my activity is perfect. It is a perfect program. It is a perfect activity. It is perfect knowledge. I have recently obtained all of the advanced techniques. I have missed maybe five meditations in 40 years only because I enjoy it. There is no other reason. Not for health, not for enlightenment, such is the joy and power of my program. I have just finished 34 years as a public school teacher in North Carolina, and I am still teaching. I have been married 30 years. I have two children. My wife meditates. My two children have been initiated. From the beginning, I have provided support to the TM Movement through the use of my house for lectures, initiations, and whatever I have to offer all these
