Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Secrets of the Mantras

2013-04-24 Thread Share Long
an example?  Thanks.  From: sparaig lengli...@cox.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 2:44 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Secrets of the Mantras   Sure. My point is that just because some theoretical state of consciousness

[FairfieldLife] Re: Secrets of the Mantras

2013-04-24 Thread sparaig
@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 2:44 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Secrets of the Mantras   Sure. My point is that just because some theoretical state of consciousness brings with it total honesty, doesn't mean that that is really the case. I can conceive of situations

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2013-04-24 Thread Yifu
@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 2:44 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Secrets of the Mantras   Sure. My point is that just because some theoretical state of consciousness brings with it total honesty, doesn't mean that that is really the case. I can conceive

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2013-04-22 Thread Michael Jackson
was enlightened it was ok for him to write the mantras down From: sparaig lengli...@cox.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2013 6:11 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Secrets of the Mantras   In TM theory, it isn't that mantras

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2013-04-22 Thread Michael Jackson
myself lies. From: sri...@ymail.com sri...@ymail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2013 9:59 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Secrets of the Mantras   you have shown time and again here that you use any occasion to make the most

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2013-04-22 Thread feste37
@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2013 9:59 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Secrets of the Mantras   you have shown time and again here that you use any occasion to make the most extremist statement, and a good deal of plain nonsense too. So I doubt any careful observer cares much

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2013-04-22 Thread sparaig
From: sparaig LEnglish5@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2013 6:11 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Secrets of the Mantras   In TM theory, it isn't that mantras are kept secret for the sake of a secret,, but because the process

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2013-04-22 Thread sparaig
to tell myself lies. From: srijau@... srijau@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2013 9:59 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Secrets of the Mantras   you have shown time and again here that you use any occasion

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2013-04-22 Thread Richard J. Williams
Michael Jackson: I was a real TM true believer... Yes, I hate the admin of my old school, and some of the teachers, but I got out of them what I needed and pretty much ignored the rest. But, you don't make it clear if you were a student or not and what degree you were pursuing. I know

[FairfieldLife] Re: Secrets of the Mantras

2013-04-22 Thread Richard J. Williams
srijau: you have shown time and again here that you use any occasion to make the most extremist statement, and a good deal of plain nonsense too. So I doubt any careful observer cares much anymore. He seems to be kind of weird for someone who claims to have got more than one bija mantra

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2013-04-22 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius
Marshy was enlightened it was ok for him to write the mantras down From: sparaig LEnglish5@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2013 6:11 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Secrets of the Mantras   In TM

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2013-04-22 Thread Michael Jackson
only from the point of view of one who is afraid of it (truth that is) From: feste37 fest...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 9:09 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Secrets of the Mantras   You only see what you

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Secrets of the Mantras

2013-04-22 Thread Michael Jackson
how do you know what the Old Fraud did in his meditation? From: sparaig lengli...@cox.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 9:36 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Secrets of the Mantras   Since MMY likely wasn't using those

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Secrets of the Mantras

2013-04-22 Thread Michael Jackson
. From: Richard J. Williams rich...@rwilliams.us To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 9:56 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Secrets of the Mantras   srijau: you have shown time and again here that you use any occasion to make the most

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Secrets of the Mantras

2013-04-22 Thread Michael Jackson
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Secrets of the Mantras   Michael Jackson: I was a real TM true believer... Yes, I hate the admin of my old school, and some of the teachers, but I got out of them what I needed and pretty much ignored the rest. But, you don't make it clear if you were

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Secrets of the Mantras

2013-04-22 Thread Michael Jackson
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 10:10 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Secrets of the Mantras   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: Since MMY likely wasn't using those mantras in his meditation practice, I don't understand why you think this is relevant. L

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2013-04-22 Thread Buck
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: On 04/21/2013 01:14 PM, Michael Jackson wrote: Just got off the phone with one of my old TM friends in North Carolina - he just finished reading the Secret of the Mantras - if what he told me was accurate I don't see

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Secrets of the Mantras

2013-04-22 Thread Michael Jackson
gosh I missed the turning yourself in part! I thought he wanted all of us executed. From: Buck dhamiltony...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 10:28 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Secrets of the Mantras

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Secrets of the Mantras

2013-04-22 Thread Share Long
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Secrets of the Mantras   We all tell ourselves lies. Even fully enlightened people likely lie to themselves, but since they allegedly no longer have an internal dialogue, they can't catch their own lies because they appear to be intuitive truths. L

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2013-04-22 Thread feste37
that is) From: feste37 feste37@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 9:09 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Secrets of the Mantras   You only see what you are looking for. Painting yourself as a courageous seeker

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Secrets of the Mantras

2013-04-22 Thread Michael Jackson
: Monday, April 22, 2013 10:53 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Secrets of the Mantras   It's nothing to do with fear. It's a matter of realizing that truth has many sides to it. You have to look at the whole picture, which you are not doing. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael

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2013-04-22 Thread Richard J. Williams
sparaig: Since MMY likely wasn't using those mantras in his meditation practice, I don't understand why you think this is relevant. The mantras MMY wrote down were probably English transliterations; I doubt if MMY could write in Sanskrit script. the guy who wrote the books says that

[FairfieldLife] Re: Secrets of the Mantras

2013-04-22 Thread Richard J. Williams
Michael Jackson: Jamie Vollmer was my initiator and I believe he still live in Fairfield if you want my bona fides, as to Kirk I don't remember anyone by that name in kitchen services - I was there from August of 1985 - July of 1987. He was the cook, you idiot! LoL! And yes I am

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2013-04-22 Thread feste37
of Marshy and the TMO is a very seamy picture, and that is the truth. From: feste37 feste37@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 10:53 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Secrets of the Mantras   It's nothing to do

[FairfieldLife] Re: Secrets of the Mantras

2013-04-22 Thread feste37
of Marshy and the TMO is a very seamy picture, and that is the truth. From: feste37 feste37@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 10:53 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Secrets of the Mantras   It's nothing to do

[FairfieldLife] Re: Secrets of the Mantras

2013-04-22 Thread feste37
of Marshy and the TMO is a very seamy picture, and that is the truth. From: feste37 feste37@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 10:53 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Secrets of the Mantras   It's nothing to do

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Secrets of the Mantras

2013-04-22 Thread Bhairitu
...@cox.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2013 6:11 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Secrets of the Mantras In TM theory, it isn't that mantras are kept secret for the sake of a secret,, but because the process of meditation and the process of speaking

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2013-04-22 Thread nablusoss1008
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams richard@... wrote: srijau: you have shown time and again here that you use any occasion to make the most extremist statement, and a good deal of plain nonsense too. So I doubt any careful observer cares much anymore. He

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2013-04-22 Thread nablusoss1008
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: Late breaking news on the matter: (CNN) -- Nablusoss the senior meditator angrily condemned the alleged actions of the former meditators -- the meditators suspected in the speaking their mantras out loud -- and after

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Secrets of the Mantras

2013-04-22 Thread Bhairitu
On 04/22/2013 08:02 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote: sparaig: Since MMY likely wasn't using those mantras in his meditation practice, I don't understand why you think this is relevant. The mantras MMY wrote down were probably English transliterations; I doubt if MMY could write in Sanskrit

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Secrets of the Mantras

2013-04-22 Thread Share Long
: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 11:08 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Secrets of the Mantras   Oh gawd! I can see this is going to be a palms to eyes day on FFL. Michael, you did not do TTC, correct? I don't think you've ever

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Secrets of the Mantras

2013-04-22 Thread Bhairitu
: [FairfieldLife] Re: Secrets of the Mantras Since MMY likely wasn't using those mantras in his meditation practice, I don't understand why you think this is relevant. L --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: the guy who wrote the books says

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Secrets of the Mantras

2013-04-22 Thread Michael Jackson
: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Secrets of the Mantras   Oh gawd! I can see this is going to be a palms to eyes day on FFL. Michael, you did not do TTC, correct? I don't think you've ever claimed to but you've probably got folks like me who did rolling on the floor laughing. Out of respect I

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Secrets of the Mantras

2013-04-22 Thread Michael Jackson
: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 12:10 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Secrets of the Mantras   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams richard@... wrote: srijau: you have shown time and again here

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2013-04-22 Thread Richard J. Williams
Michael Jackson: Give it up, Richy, I got names, dates and events... Nobody I know up there ever heard of a 'Michael Jackson' being a 'baker', student, or anything else. Apparently nobody on this list ever heard of Michael Jackson ever even being in Fairfield. Go figure. you have

[FairfieldLife] Re: Secrets of the Mantras

2013-04-22 Thread Richard J. Williams
Since MMY likely wasn't using those mantras in his meditation practice, I don't understand why you think this is relevant. The mantras MMY wrote down were probably English transliterations; I doubt if MMY could write in Sanskrit script. Bhairitu: Devanagari script is used

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Secrets of the Mantras

2013-04-22 Thread Bhairitu
On 04/22/2013 11:14 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote: Since MMY likely wasn't using those mantras in his meditation practice, I don't understand why you think this is relevant. The mantras MMY wrote down were probably English transliterations; I doubt if MMY could write in Sanskrit script.

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2013-04-22 Thread sparaig
: Monday, April 22, 2013 10:10 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Secrets of the Mantras   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: Since MMY likely wasn't using those mantras in his meditation practice, I don't understand why you think this is relevant. L

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2013-04-22 Thread sparaig
by it?  Something along those lines. From: sparaig LEnglish5@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 8:41 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Secrets of the Mantras   We all tell ourselves lies. Even fully enlightened

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2013-04-22 Thread sparaig
Jackson wrote: how do you know what the Old Fraud did in his meditation? From: sparaig LEnglish5@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 9:36 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Secrets of the Mantras Since MMY

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2013-04-22 Thread Bhairitu
, Michael Jackson wrote: how do you know what the Old Fraud did in his meditation? From: sparaig LEnglish5@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 9:36 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Secrets of the Mantras Since MMY

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2013-04-22 Thread sparaig
wrote: how do you know what the Old Fraud did in his meditation? From: sparaig LEnglish5@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 9:36 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Secrets of the Mantras Since MMY

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2013-04-22 Thread Richard J. Williams
Bhairitu: I even had my tantra guru write mantras in Devanagari because transliterations can be tricky. From what I've read, there is not a single person on in this list that could identify their bija mantra on any tantric yantra or mandala, or from flash cards of the Sanskrit

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2013-04-21 Thread sparaig
In TM theory, it isn't that mantras are kept secret for the sake of a secret,, but because the process of meditation and the process of speaking the mantra aloud or writing it down, are contrary to one another. There's even a physiological explanation that might explain why this is so. L ---

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2013-04-21 Thread Richard J. Williams
Just got off the phone with one of my old TM friends in North Carolina - he just finished reading the Secret of the Mantras - if what he told me was accurate I don't see how one could read the book and not see what a damned old fraud Marshy was Bhairitu: I recall when I came

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2013-04-21 Thread srijau
you have shown time and again here that you use any occasion to make the most extremist statement, and a good deal of plain nonsense too. So I doubt any careful observer cares much anymore.