[FairfieldLife] Re: Stark Questions
--- emptybill emptybill@... wrote: When the first nuke erupts in Israel (even a small tactical one), what should be our response? When the first nuke detonates in America what should we do? And to whom? Should we just roll over and say we can't know with certainty who placed in a building in downtown D.C. or in the financial district of NY city? Bill, if that happens it would most probably be an Af-Pak warhead rather than an iranian one. Pak has a very tenuous hold on them. If they fall into the hands of the jihadi supremacists, you have a big problem. Israel is always ever ready to take out both Pakistan and Iran, but the major powers restrain it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Stark Questions
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@... wrote: Nabs, Jimmy Carter agrees with you on this one. He stated that the Palestines have the right to protect their land. It appears that some Israelis are illegally settling on Palestinian lands. As such, the UN should get involved to settle this matter before another war starts. We're talking vast numbers of illegal settlers and thousands of illegal settlements on Palestinian land, or land-grabbers with the blessings of the Israeli government. For which they have received several resolutions in the UN to withdraw. But Israeli arrogance is boundless so any resolution in the UN is simply ignored as they know the americans don't care and will keep sending billions in aid anyway. If you want to know why the americans are hated in Muslim countries, look no further than to this conflict and the way Israel is expanding it's borders. A growing idea in the international community, one which Carter endorse, is that the only way to stop further Israeli aggression and land-grabbing is to revert the borders back to before the war in 1967. Don't worry, Israeli expansion and arrogance, and the perverted notion that they are God's chosen people will reach the dustbin of history faster than you can say The Berlin Wall. JR --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: Israel has been wanting to start WW III for some time. Maybe the Hamas attacks were even a false flag. They set up shop in a rough neighborhood. Let them fight it out. The Israelis stole their land, stole their water, killed their children, sent millions into refugeecamps and never complied to UN resolutions. That's asking for a war. According to Benjamin Creme the dark material forces that was driven underground as a result of WWII has now regrouped and is showing up in Israel, the Pentagon and a yet undisclosed place in Eastern Europe. http://shareintl.org/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Stark Questions
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: Israel has been wanting to start WW III for some time. Maybe the Hamas attacks were even a false flag. They set up shop in a rough neighborhood. Let them fight it out. The Israelis stole their land, stole their water, killed their children, sent millions into refugeecamps and never complied to UN resolutions. That's asking for a war. According to Benjamin Creme the dark material forces that was driven underground as a result of WWII has now regrouped and is showing up in Israel, the Pentagon and a yet undisclosed place in Eastern Europe. http://shareintl.org/ During the 1948 Palestine War, 711,000 out of around 900,000 Palestine Arabs *fled or were expelled* from the territories that became the State of Israel. The causes and responsibilities of the exodus are a matter of controversy among historians and commentators of the conflict. Wiki has a good article on the this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine_refugee#Arab_Palestine_refugees_from_the_1948_Palestine_War
[FairfieldLife] Re: Stark Questions
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: snip Don't worry, Israeli expansion and arrogance, and the perverted notion that they are God's chosen people will reach the dustbin of history faster than you can say The Berlin Wall. Israel pulled out of the Gaza strip in 2005 and look what that got them, not much. They still have to protect their citizens from the extremist terrorists like Hamas.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Stark Questions
At last Jason you are a voice of reason instead of Commie stridency or Carter acquiescence. I understand the complexity. I talked to Palestinians aboard one the George Steinbrenner's iron-ore ships. I even had a good and faithful Muslim bail me out of jail in Canada for drinking under age. They were real people and I saw their sorrow for having lost their ancestral lands. On the other hand, I talked to an Israeli Muslim whose family stayed on their ancestral lands in Israel and lived in prosperity and peace. Most Palestinians that left didn't want to live in Jew land because of the Koranic belief that Jews were subversive defilers of the Abrahamic covenant. As Muslims, they generically hated Jews, the same way they hate us because we are disbelievers (kafir) . Yet the one's I knew were good people. However, you didn't address the more stark question about the nuke detonating in D.C. or Wall Street. What do we do then? Strike back at whom to prevent another attack? Both YVHW and Allah are genocidal tyrants. India and Pakistan are always on the brink of Nuclear holocaust as are Israel and the Arabs. Remember the high-ranking Iraqi diplomat who just yesterday called on the Arab world to boycott the US for supporting the Jews. Luckily, we have more shale oil than all the oil in Saudi Arabia. Barack Hussein Osama might finally stare down the environmentalists but then also he might Jimmy Carter the whole deal. So nuke whom? Turn the sands of Mecca into a giant glass roller rink that glows for 10,000 years? Bring everyone home and turn over Europe to Vladimir Das Putin? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason jedi_spock@... wrote: --- emptybill emptybill@ wrote: When the first nuke erupts in Israel (even a small tactical one), what should be our response? When the first nuke detonates in America what should we do? And to whom? Should we just roll over and say we can't know with certainty who placed in a building in downtown D.C. or in the financial district of NY city? Bill, if that happens it would most probably be an Af-Pak warhead rather than an iranian one. Pak has a very tenuous hold on them. If they fall into the hands of the jihadi supremacists, you have a big problem. Israel is always ever ready to take out both Pakistan and Iran, but the major powers restrain it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Stark Questions
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: Israel has been wanting to start WW III for some time. Maybe the Hamas attacks were even a false flag. They set up shop in a rough neighborhood. Let them fight it out. The Israelis stole their land, stole their water, killed their children, sent millions into refugeecamps and never complied to UN resolutions. That's asking for a war. According to Benjamin Creme the dark material forces that was driven underground as a result of WWII has now regrouped and is showing up in Israel, the Pentagon and a yet undisclosed place in Eastern Europe. http://shareintl.org/ During the 1948 Palestine War, 711,000 out of around 900,000 Palestine Arabs *fled or were expelled* from the territories that became the State of Israel. The causes and responsibilities of the exodus are a matter of controversy among historians and commentators of the conflict. It wasn't a matter of controversy for my uncle who was stationed in Palestine for his national service. One of his less enviable jobs was cutting down and burying the mutilated remains of Pal- estinians that had been hung from lampposts in their home town by Zionist terrorists trying (and mostly succeeding) in scaring people into abandoning their homes. The villages were then bulldozed and given Hebrew names to make everyone think they had been there since biblical times. Lie after lie, and endless broken promises resulted in the unilateral establishment of Israel, there is no peace process, there is a shaft the Palestinians process and that is all there has ever been. The Israelis even admit that there plan is to make a Pal' state non-viable by building so many homes on the west bank that any seperate government for the original inhabitants will be meaningless. All aided and abetted by the west. Wiki has a good article on the this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine_refugee#Arab_Palestine_refugees_from_the_1948_Palestine_War
[FairfieldLife] Re: Stark Questions
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: Israel has been wanting to start WW III for some time. Maybe the Hamas attacks were even a false flag. They set up shop in a rough neighborhood. Let them fight it out. The Israelis stole their land, stole their water, killed their children, sent millions into refugeecamps and never complied to UN resolutions. That's asking for a war. According to Benjamin Creme the dark material forces that was driven underground as a result of WWII has now regrouped and is showing up in Israel, the Pentagon and a yet undisclosed place in Eastern Europe. http://shareintl.org/ During the 1948 Palestine War, 711,000 out of around 900,000 Palestine Arabs *fled or were expelled* from the territories that became the State of Israel. The causes and responsibilities of the exodus are a matter of controversy among historians and commentators of the conflict. It wasn't a matter of controversy for my uncle who was stationed in Palestine for his national service. One of his less enviable jobs was cutting down and burying the mutilated remains of Pal- estinians that had been hung from lampposts in their home town by Zionist terrorists trying (and mostly succeeding) in scaring people into abandoning their homes. The villages were then bulldozed and given Hebrew names to make everyone think they had been there since biblical times. Lie after lie, and endless broken promises resulted in the unilateral establishment of Israel, there is no peace process, there is a shaft the Palestinians process and that is all there has ever been. The Israelis even admit that there plan is to make a Pal' state non-viable by building so many homes on the west bank that any seperate government for the original inhabitants will be meaningless. All aided and abetted by the west. Hardly unilateral! The League of Nations made Israel a country in 1948. Wiki has a good article on the this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine_refugee#Arab_Palestine_refugees_from_the_1948_Palestine_War
[FairfieldLife] Re: Stark Questions
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: Israel has been wanting to start WW III for some time. Maybe the Hamas attacks were even a false flag. They set up shop in a rough neighborhood. Let them fight it out. The Israelis stole their land, stole their water, killed their children, sent millions into refugeecamps and never complied to UN resolutions. That's asking for a war. According to Benjamin Creme the dark material forces that was driven underground as a result of WWII has now regrouped and is showing up in Israel, the Pentagon and a yet undisclosed place in Eastern Europe. http://shareintl.org/ During the 1948 Palestine War, 711,000 out of around 900,000 Palestine Arabs *fled or were expelled* from the territories that became the State of Israel. The causes and responsibilities of the exodus are a matter of controversy among historians and commentators of the conflict. It wasn't a matter of controversy for my uncle who was stationed in Palestine for his national service. One of his less enviable jobs was cutting down and burying the mutilated remains of Pal- estinians that had been hung from lampposts in their home town by Zionist terrorists trying (and mostly succeeding) in scaring people into abandoning their homes. The villages were then bulldozed and given Hebrew names to make everyone think they had been there since biblical times. Lie after lie, and endless broken promises resulted in the unilateral establishment of Israel, there is no peace process, there is a shaft the Palestinians process and that is all there has ever been. The Israelis even admit that there plan is to make a Pal' state non-viable by building so many homes on the west bank that any seperate government for the original inhabitants will be meaningless. All aided and abetted by the west. Hardly unilateral! The League of Nations made Israel a country in 1948. Entirely unilateral, as it was against the wishes of the original inhabitants. Unilateral A contract in which only one party makes an express promise, or undertakes a performance without first securing a reciprocal agreement from the other party. One of the party's here just happened to be a lot of other countries, all a bit deluded with post-colonial arrogance. Wiki has a good article on the this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine_refugee#Arab_Palestine_refugees_from_the_1948_Palestine_War
[FairfieldLife] Re: Stark Questions
You can always move there, become a Jihadist and fight the West for Allah. Be brave ... show 'em you mean it. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: Israel has been wanting to start WW III for some time. Maybe the Hamas attacks were even a false flag. They set up shop in a rough neighborhood. Let them fight it out. The Israelis stole their land, stole their water, killed their children, sent millions into refugeecamps and never complied to UN resolutions. That's asking for a war. According to Benjamin Creme the dark material forces that was driven underground as a result of WWII has now regrouped and is showing up in Israel, the Pentagon and a yet undisclosed place in Eastern Europe. http://shareintl.org/ During the 1948 Palestine War, 711,000 out of around 900,000 Palestine Arabs *fled or were expelled* from the territories that became the State of Israel. The causes and responsibilities of the exodus are a matter of controversy among historians and commentators of the conflict. It wasn't a matter of controversy for my uncle who was stationed in Palestine for his national service. One of his less enviable jobs was cutting down and burying the mutilated remains of Pal- estinians that had been hung from lampposts in their home town by Zionist terrorists trying (and mostly succeeding) in scaring people into abandoning their homes. The villages were then bulldozed and given Hebrew names to make everyone think they had been there since biblical times. Lie after lie, and endless broken promises resulted in the unilateral establishment of Israel, there is no peace process, there is a shaft the Palestinians process and that is all there has ever been. The Israelis even admit that there plan is to make a Pal' state non-viable by building so many homes on the west bank that any seperate government for the original inhabitants will be meaningless. All aided and abetted by the west. Wiki has a good article on the this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine_refugee#Arab_Palestine_refugees_f\ rom_the_1948_Palestine_War
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Stark Questions
Israel wants a war it can drag the US into. If it can't have it with Iran then it will pick one with Gaza or someone else. So far, to his credit, Obama has only said that Israel has a right to defend itself. That's as far as he should go. No sending troops to aid the Israelis. They can fend for themselves. And staying out of it would keep Hamas from doing any attack the US. Besides all that would do would bring the US military down on their heads. So such an attack might well be a false flag by Israel made to look like Hamas. And by now Americans are wary of false flag attacks. On 11/18/2012 08:16 AM, salyavin808 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@... wrote: You can always move there, become a Jihadist and fight the West for Allah. Be brave ... show 'em you mean it. Shame that you reduce their legitimate claim to that sort of tabloid level, it's no wonder to me that they do seek redress against the international community via the only method of expression they know, their religion. Shame it won't get them very far but then, the cards are stacked against them until the rest of the world starts to care and tries to force Israel to comply with international law and allow them the right to return to their land. What would you do in their place? Roll over and die or accept the Pax Americana? Israel is the aggressor here, their constant theft of land and barbaric treatment of its original owners is a crime under international law and any sort of moral one I can think of. Obama is typically spineless here in ignoring the right of refugees to right to their homes and the right to resist occupation as being the prime motivators of the conflict. I suppose there's too many people living there for any fair solution for the Palestinians now. Israel's bizarrely racist immigration policy means people actually born there can't go to their homes but someone from Russia with a Jewish grandmother can. It's a situation without a pleasant ending I fear, and it should never have been allowed to get this bad but the UN is a toothless puppet that has consistently ignored the reason it was set up in the first place. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: Israel has been wanting to start WW III for some time. Maybe the Hamas attacks were even a false flag. They set up shop in a rough neighborhood. Let them fight it out. The Israelis stole their land, stole their water, killed their children, sent millions into refugeecamps and never complied to UN resolutions. That's asking for a war. According to Benjamin Creme the dark material forces that was driven underground as a result of WWII has now regrouped and is showing up in Israel, the Pentagon and a yet undisclosed place in Eastern Europe. http://shareintl.org/ During the 1948 Palestine War, 711,000 out of around 900,000 Palestine Arabs *fled or were expelled* from the territories that became the State of Israel. The causes and responsibilities of the exodus are a matter of controversy among historians and commentators of the conflict. It wasn't a matter of controversy for my uncle who was stationed in Palestine for his national service. One of his less enviable jobs was cutting down and burying the mutilated remains of Pal- estinians that had been hung from lampposts in their home town by Zionist terrorists trying (and mostly succeeding) in scaring people into abandoning their homes. The villages were then bulldozed and given Hebrew names to make everyone think they had been there since biblical times. Lie after lie, and endless broken promises resulted in the unilateral establishment of Israel, there is no peace process, there is a shaft the Palestinians process and that is all there has ever been. The Israelis even admit that there plan is to make a Pal' state non-viable by building so many homes on the west bank that any seperate government for the original inhabitants will be meaningless. All aided and abetted by the west. Wiki has a good article on the this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine_refugee#Arab_Palestine_refugees_f\ rom_the_1948_Palestine_War
[FairfieldLife] Re: Stark Questions
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@... wrote: When the first nuke erupts in Israel (even a small tactical one), what should be our response? Tell them; As you sow, so shall you reap
[FairfieldLife] Re: Stark Questions
So Israel should nuke whom? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: When the first nuke erupts in Israel (even a small tactical one), what should be our response? Tell them; As you sow, so shall you reap
[FairfieldLife] Re: Stark Questions
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@... wrote: So Israel should nuke whom? Noone. They just received a postcard back from the Universe they themselves had posted. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: When the first nuke erupts in Israel (even a small tactical one), what should be our response? Tell them; As you sow, so shall you reap
[FairfieldLife] Re: Stark Questions
Tyipical Euro-pacifism. That worked so well against the Nazis. Why not Iran? You should text the Israeli cabinet and let them know they have it coming. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: So Israel should nuke whom? Noone. They just received a postcard back from the Universe they themselves had posted. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: When the first nuke erupts in Israel (even a small tactical one), what should be our response? Tell them; As you sow, so shall you reap
[FairfieldLife] Re: Stark Questions
Tactical planners for the US think it is only a matter of when ... not if. Al-Qaeda is actively working to get one. Iran plans to have one. One is all it will take. You afraid to tackle this stark question? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: On 11/17/2012 07:20 AM, emptybill wrote: When the first nuke erupts in Israel (even a small tactical one), what should be our response? When the first nuke detonates in America what should we do? And to whom? Should we just roll over and say we can't know with certainty who placed in a building in downtown D.C. or in the financial district of NY city? Oh, so now Hamas has nukes? Who else, the TMO? :-D
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Stark Questions
Israel has been wanting to start WW III for some time. Maybe the Hamas attacks were even a false flag. They set up shop in a rough neighborhood. Let them fight it out. On 11/17/2012 10:08 AM, emptybill wrote: Tactical planners for the US think it is only a matter of when ... not if. Al-Qaeda is actively working to get one. Iran plans to have one. One is all it will take. You afraid to tackle this stark question? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: On 11/17/2012 07:20 AM, emptybill wrote: When the first nuke erupts in Israel (even a small tactical one), what should be our response? When the first nuke detonates in America what should we do? And to whom? Should we just roll over and say we can't know with certainty who placed in a building in downtown D.C. or in the financial district of NY city? Oh, so now Hamas has nukes? Who else, the TMO? :-D
[FairfieldLife] Re: Stark Questions
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: Israel has been wanting to start WW III for some time. Maybe the Hamas attacks were even a false flag. They set up shop in a rough neighborhood. Let them fight it out. The Israelis stole their land, stole their water, killed their children, sent millions into refugeecamps and never complied to UN resolutions. That's asking for a war. According to Benjamin Creme the dark material forces that was driven underground as a result of WWII has now regrouped and is showing up in Israel, the Pentagon and a yet undisclosed place in Eastern Europe. http://shareintl.org/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Stark Questions
Nabs, Jimmy Carter agrees with you on this one. He stated that the Palestines have the right to protect their land. It appears that some Israelis are illegally settling on Palestinian lands. As such, the UN should get involved to settle this matter before another war starts. JR --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: Israel has been wanting to start WW III for some time. Maybe the Hamas attacks were even a false flag. They set up shop in a rough neighborhood. Let them fight it out. The Israelis stole their land, stole their water, killed their children, sent millions into refugeecamps and never complied to UN resolutions. That's asking for a war. According to Benjamin Creme the dark material forces that was driven underground as a result of WWII has now regrouped and is showing up in Israel, the Pentagon and a yet undisclosed place in Eastern Europe. http://shareintl.org/
