[FairfieldLife] Re: TBers' responses to suggestions of MMY's improprieties

2005-09-06 Thread TurquoiseB
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wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
   wrote:

I think what you'd find if you looked into it is that
the higher the altar they've put Maharishi on, the
less time they've actually spent in his presence.
Judy has never even been in the same room with the
man, after 30+ years of devoted TM practice.
   
   You just disproved your own formula, because I've
   *never* put MMY on an altar.  The rest of your
   rant is equally misapplied; I don't believe *any*
   of the things you (or Paul) attribute to me.
   Not one.
  
  Yeah, right, babe.  That's why you couldn't
  bring yourself to answer Shemp's questions
  about whether you'd still have learned TM 
  if the TM movement of today was the one you
  had run into 30 years ago.
 
 Complete non sequitur, sorry.
 
 Who are you trying to fool, Barry, other than
 yourself?

Shemp posed a rather simple question to answer.
And I think that everyone here knows that your
answer, like theirs, would consist of one word,
containing only two letters.

The fact that you cannot bring yourself to utter
that word speaks volumes about the pedestal on
which you have placed Maharishi.  IMO, of course.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: TBers' responses to suggestions of MMY's improprieties

2005-09-06 Thread Rory Goff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 on 9/5/05 7:20 PM, Richard J. Williams at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  TurquoiseB wrote:
  Pussy.  :-)
  
  You've got a foul mouth, Sir - maybe it's time for you to shut your
  pie hole.
 
 Ah, the nostalgia. It's been months since I heard that phrase.

Pi-(w)hole = the ratio of the diameter (through-measure = through-
Matter = through-Mother: two opposing/complementary radii 
or rays) to the circumference, the embracing of the holy Whole :-)




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[FairfieldLife] Re: TBers' responses to suggestions of MMY's improprieties

2005-09-06 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend 
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   wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB 
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wrote:
 
 I think what you'd find if you looked into it is that
 the higher the altar they've put Maharishi on, the
 less time they've actually spent in his presence.
 Judy has never even been in the same room with the
 man, after 30+ years of devoted TM practice.

You just disproved your own formula, because I've
*never* put MMY on an altar.  The rest of your
rant is equally misapplied; I don't believe *any*
of the things you (or Paul) attribute to me.
Not one.
   
   Yeah, right, babe.  That's why you couldn't
   bring yourself to answer Shemp's questions
   about whether you'd still have learned TM 
   if the TM movement of today was the one you
   had run into 30 years ago.
  
  Complete non sequitur, sorry.
  
  Who are you trying to fool, Barry, other than
  yourself?
 
 Shemp posed a rather simple question to answer.
 And I think that everyone here knows that your
 answer, like theirs, would consist of one word,
 containing only two letters.
 
 The fact that you cannot bring yourself to utter
 that word speaks volumes about the pedestal on
 which you have placed Maharishi.  IMO, of course.

I suspect even Shemp knows better than that.

And if you can't fool him, man, who *can* you fool?

You really are losing your touch, Barry.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: TBers' responses to suggestions of MMY's improprieties

2005-09-06 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  TurquoiseB wrote: 
   Pussy.  :-)
  
  You've got a foul mouth, Sir - maybe it's time for you to shut 
your
  pie hole.
 
 It was a reference to a saying by a former spiritual
 teacher.  Really.  Rama used to say, Just because
 you've got a pussy, it doesn't mean you have to be
 one.
 
 In this case, I think a number of people feel that
 the inability of someone who *lives* to argue and
 have the last word in any situation to deal with
 the simple question that Shemp posed is fairly
 significant.  IMO, she has a resistance to lying, 
 and knows that her honest answer to the question
 he posed is No.  But she can't bring herself to
 say it.

Actually, I told Shemp I'd be happy to answer the
question if he could tell me how it was relevant
to the post of mine it was a response to.

He declined.
  
 
 Pretty weird superstition, if you ask me...




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[FairfieldLife] Re: TBers' responses to suggestions of MMY's improprieties

2005-09-06 Thread Richard J. Williams
  TurquoiseB wrote:
   Go beam yourselves, assholes.
  
  There are rules on this forum - I've seen people get banned for 
  saying less.
 
 Go ban yourself, Willy.  :-)

Guidelines File 05/21/05

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1) This group has long maintained a thoughtful and considerate tone.
Please refrain from personal attacks, insults and excessive venting.
Speak the truth that is sweet is a worthy aspiration. If angry, take
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[FairfieldLife] Re: TBers' responses to suggestions of MMY's improprieties

2005-09-06 Thread Richard J. Williams
  TurquoiseB wrote: 
   Pussy.  :-)
  
  You've got a foul mouth, Sir - maybe it's time for you to shut your
  pie hole.
 
 It was a reference to a saying by a former spiritual
 teacher.  Really.  Rama used to say, Just because
 you've got a pussy, it doesn't mean you have to be
 one.
 
So, you really DO want to discuss other people's private sex lives.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: TBers' responses to suggestions of MMY's improprieties

2005-09-06 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   TurquoiseB wrote: 
Pussy.  :-)
   
   You've got a foul mouth, Sir - maybe it's time for you to shut 
your
   pie hole.
  
  It was a reference to a saying by a former spiritual
  teacher.  Really.  Rama used to say, Just because
  you've got a pussy, it doesn't mean you have to be
  one.
 
 So, you really DO want to discuss other people's private sex lives.

Discuss?  No way.  Like Chauncey Gardner, I like to watch.
Especially if one of the parties involved is strong in the
knowledge and pure.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: TBers' responses to suggestions of MMY's improprieties

2005-09-06 Thread lurkernomore20002000
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   TurquoiseB wrote: 
Pussy.  :-)
   
   You've got a foul mouth, Sir - maybe it's time for you to shut 
your
   pie hole.
  
  It was a reference to a saying by a former spiritual
  teacher.  Really.  Rama used to say, Just because
  you've got a pussy, it doesn't mean you have to be
  one.
  
 So, you really DO want to discuss other people's private sex lives.


Now wait a second there Richard, that quote is a keeper.  I just put 
it in my arsenal for the right moment.

lurk





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[FairfieldLife] Re: TBers' responses to suggestions of MMY's improprieties

2005-09-06 Thread lurkernomore20002000
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
TurquoiseB wrote: 
 Pussy.  :-)

You've got a foul mouth, Sir - maybe it's time for you to 
shut 
 your
pie hole.
   
   It was a reference to a saying by a former spiritual
   teacher.  Really.  Rama used to say, Just because
   you've got a pussy, it doesn't mean you have to be
   one.
  
  So, you really DO want to discuss other people's private sex 
lives.
 
 Discuss?  No way.  Like Chauncey Gardner, I like to watch.
 Especially if one of the parties involved is strong in the
 knowledge and pure

30% of my minimum dailey requirement for chuckling met.

lurk




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[FairfieldLife] Re: TBers' responses to suggestions of MMY's improprieties

2005-09-06 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
   wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 
 I think what you'd find if you looked into it is that
 the higher the altar they've put Maharishi on, the
 less time they've actually spent in his presence.
 Judy has never even been in the same room with the
 man, after 30+ years of devoted TM practice.

You just disproved your own formula, because I've
*never* put MMY on an altar.  The rest of your
rant is equally misapplied; I don't believe *any*
of the things you (or Paul) attribute to me.
Not one.
   
   Yeah, right, babe.  That's why you couldn't
   bring yourself to answer Shemp's questions
   about whether you'd still have learned TM 
   if the TM movement of today was the one you
   had run into 30 years ago.
  
  Complete non sequitur, sorry.
  
  Who are you trying to fool, Barry, other than
  yourself?
 
 Shemp posed a rather simple question to answer.
 And I think that everyone here knows that your
 answer, like theirs, would consist of one word,
 containing only two letters.
 
 The fact that you cannot bring yourself to utter
 that word speaks volumes about the pedestal on
 which you have placed Maharishi.  IMO, of course.


And it's not that I want to attack Judy or one-up her...it's 
because I truly believe that this sort of dialogue should be 
happening in the TMO.  And, to a certain extent, we on this 
newsgroup are connected to the TMO and they could benefit from that 
dialogue.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: TBers' responses to suggestions of MMY's improprieties

2005-09-06 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  TurquoiseB wrote: 
   Pussy.  :-)
  
  You've got a foul mouth, Sir - maybe it's time for you to shut 
your
  pie hole.
 
 It was a reference to a saying by a former spiritual
 teacher.  Really.  Rama used to say, Just because
 you've got a pussy, it doesn't mean you have to be
 one.
 
 In this case, I think a number of people feel that
 the inability of someone who *lives* to argue and
 have the last word in any situation to deal with
 the simple question that Shemp posed is fairly
 significant.  IMO, she has a resistance to lying, 
 and knows that her honest answer to the question
 he posed is No.  But she can't bring herself to
 say it.  
 
 Pretty weird superstition, if you ask me...


But you've got to admit, Tantra, that it was really wonderful to 
WillyTex use the pie hole expression once again.

It never ceases to get a chuckle out of me...





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[FairfieldLife] Re: TBers' responses to suggestions of MMY's improprieties

2005-09-06 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   TurquoiseB wrote: 
Pussy.  :-)
   
   You've got a foul mouth, Sir - maybe it's time for you to shut 
 your
   pie hole.
  
  It was a reference to a saying by a former spiritual
  teacher.  Really.  Rama used to say, Just because
  you've got a pussy, it doesn't mean you have to be
  one.
  
  In this case, I think a number of people feel that
  the inability of someone who *lives* to argue and
  have the last word in any situation to deal with
  the simple question that Shemp posed is fairly
  significant.  IMO, she has a resistance to lying, 
  and knows that her honest answer to the question
  he posed is No.  But she can't bring herself to
  say it.
 
 Actually, I told Shemp I'd be happy to answer the
 question if he could tell me how it was relevant
 to the post of mine it was a response to.
 
 He declined.




I declined mainly because it was so long ago that I forgot why I 
asked you in the first place.




   
  
  Pretty weird superstition, if you ask me...




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[FairfieldLife] Re: TBers' responses to suggestions of MMY's improprieties

2005-09-06 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
   wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
  
  I think what you'd find if you looked into it is that
  the higher the altar they've put Maharishi on, the
  less time they've actually spent in his presence.
  Judy has never even been in the same room with the
  man, after 30+ years of devoted TM practice.
 
 You just disproved your own formula, because I've
 *never* put MMY on an altar.  The rest of your
 rant is equally misapplied; I don't believe *any*
 of the things you (or Paul) attribute to me.
 Not one.

Yeah, right, babe.  That's why you couldn't
bring yourself to answer Shemp's questions
about whether you'd still have learned TM 
if the TM movement of today was the one you
had run into 30 years ago.
   
   Complete non sequitur, sorry.
   
   Who are you trying to fool, Barry, other than
   yourself?
  
  Shemp posed a rather simple question to answer.
  And I think that everyone here knows that your
  answer, like theirs, would consist of one word,
  containing only two letters.
  
  The fact that you cannot bring yourself to utter
  that word speaks volumes about the pedestal on
  which you have placed Maharishi.  IMO, of course.
 
 And it's not that I want to attack Judy or one-up her...it's 
 because I truly believe that this sort of dialogue should be 
 happening in the TMO.  And, to a certain extent, we on this 
 newsgroup are connected to the TMO and they could benefit from that 
 dialogue.

Yet you won't fulfill my simple request to explain
the relevance of your question to what I had said in
the post you were responding to.

Shemp, I think everyone here realizes, despite your
and Barry's best attempts at demonization, that I
haven't answered your question because it was
rhetorical, not a genuine request for information.

Barry even suggests as much above when he says
everybody knows what my answer would be.  So both
you and he are being disingenuous to pretend you
think I can't bring myself to answer.

You can't start a dialogue by stating a given and
then insisting that folks accede to it.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: TBers' responses to suggestions of MMY's improprieties

2005-09-06 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
snip
  Actually, I told Shemp I'd be happy to answer the
  question if he could tell me how it was relevant
  to the post of mine it was a response to.
  
  He declined.
 
 I declined mainly because it was so long ago that I forgot why I 
 asked you in the first place.

Uh-huh.  You have the message number; go look it up.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: TBers' responses to suggestions of MMY's improprieties

2005-09-06 Thread shempmcgurk
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wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
   wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB 
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
   
   I think what you'd find if you looked into it is that
   the higher the altar they've put Maharishi on, the
   less time they've actually spent in his presence.
   Judy has never even been in the same room with the
   man, after 30+ years of devoted TM practice.
  
  You just disproved your own formula, because I've
  *never* put MMY on an altar.  The rest of your
  rant is equally misapplied; I don't believe *any*
  of the things you (or Paul) attribute to me.
  Not one.
 
 Yeah, right, babe.  That's why you couldn't
 bring yourself to answer Shemp's questions
 about whether you'd still have learned TM 
 if the TM movement of today was the one you
 had run into 30 years ago.

Complete non sequitur, sorry.

Who are you trying to fool, Barry, other than
yourself?
   
   Shemp posed a rather simple question to answer.
   And I think that everyone here knows that your
   answer, like theirs, would consist of one word,
   containing only two letters.
   
   The fact that you cannot bring yourself to utter
   that word speaks volumes about the pedestal on
   which you have placed Maharishi.  IMO, of course.
  
  And it's not that I want to attack Judy or one-up her...it's 
  because I truly believe that this sort of dialogue should be 
  happening in the TMO.  And, to a certain extent, we on this 
  newsgroup are connected to the TMO and they could benefit from 
that 
  dialogue.
 
 Yet you won't fulfill my simple request to explain
 the relevance of your question to what I had said in
 the post you were responding to.
 
 Shemp, I think everyone here realizes, despite your
 and Barry's best attempts at demonization, that I
 haven't answered your question because it was
 rhetorical, not a genuine request for information.
 
 Barry even suggests as much above when he says
 everybody knows what my answer would be.  So both
 you and he are being disingenuous to pretend you
 think I can't bring myself to answer.
 
 You can't start a dialogue by stating a given and
 then insisting that folks accede to it.


so prove me and him wrong by answering the fucking question...





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TBers' responses to suggestions of MMY's improprieties

2005-09-06 Thread Peter
--- shemshempmcgurkemshempmcgurksnetscape wrote:

 --- In FairFairfieldLifeoyahoogroups,
authauthfriend jstejstein. 
 wrote:
  --- In FairFairfieldLifeoyahoogroups,
TurqTurquoiseB[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
   --- In FairFairfieldLifeoyahoogroups, Richard
 J. Williams 
   willwillytex. wrote:
TurqTurquoiseBte: 
 Pussy.  :-)

You've got a foul mouth, Sir - maybe it's time
 for you to shut 
  your
pie hole.
   
   It was a reference to a saying by a former
 spiritual
   teacher.  Really.  Rama used to say, Just
 because
   you've got a pussy, it doesn't mean you have to
 be
   one.
   
   In this case, I think a number of people feel
 that
   the inability of someone who *lives* to argue
 and
   have the last word in any situation to deal
 with
   the simple question that ShemShemped is fairly
   significant.  IMO, she has a resistance to
 lying, 
   and knows that her honest answer to the question
   he posed is No.  But she can't bring herself
 to
   say it.
  
  Actually, I told ShemShemp be happy to answer the
  question if he could tell me how it was relevant
  to the post of mine it was a response to.
  
  He declined.
 
 
 
 
 I declined mainly because it was so long ago that I
 forgot why I 
 asked you in the first place.

Ah, you have acheachievedori, grasshopper.



















 
 
 
 

   
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[FairfieldLife] Re: TBers' responses to suggestions of MMY's improprieties

2005-09-06 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB 
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend 
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wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB 
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 wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend 
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  wrote:
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
   wrote:

I think what you'd find if you looked into it is that
the higher the altar they've put Maharishi on, the
less time they've actually spent in his presence.
Judy has never even been in the same room with the
man, after 30+ years of devoted TM practice.
   
   You just disproved your own formula, because I've
   *never* put MMY on an altar.  The rest of your
   rant is equally misapplied; I don't believe *any*
   of the things you (or Paul) attribute to me.
   Not one.
  
  Yeah, right, babe.  That's why you couldn't
  bring yourself to answer Shemp's questions
  about whether you'd still have learned TM 
  if the TM movement of today was the one you
  had run into 30 years ago.
 
 Complete non sequitur, sorry.
 
 Who are you trying to fool, Barry, other than
 yourself?

Shemp posed a rather simple question to answer.
And I think that everyone here knows that your
answer, like theirs, would consist of one word,
containing only two letters.

The fact that you cannot bring yourself to utter
that word speaks volumes about the pedestal on
which you have placed Maharishi.  IMO, of course.
   
   And it's not that I want to attack Judy or one-up 
her...it's 
   because I truly believe that this sort of dialogue should be 
   happening in the TMO.  And, to a certain extent, we on this 
   newsgroup are connected to the TMO and they could benefit from 
 that 
   dialogue.
  
  Yet you won't fulfill my simple request to explain
  the relevance of your question to what I had said in
  the post you were responding to.
  
  Shemp, I think everyone here realizes, despite your
  and Barry's best attempts at demonization, that I
  haven't answered your question because it was
  rhetorical, not a genuine request for information.
  
  Barry even suggests as much above when he says
  everybody knows what my answer would be.  So both
  you and he are being disingenuous to pretend you
  think I can't bring myself to answer.
  
  You can't start a dialogue by stating a given and
  then insisting that folks accede to it.
 
 so prove me and him wrong by answering the fucking question...

You didn't follow what I wrote.  Read it again, please.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: TBers' responses to suggestions of MMY's improprieties

2005-09-05 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 The virulent response to suggestions of MMY's possible sexual 
 improprieties led me to ask myself how strong as meditators these 
 individuals are.
 
 What if it ever turned out that irrefutable proof was presented 
that 
 demonstrated MMY's impropriety...would these individuals QUIT 
 MEDITATING?
 
 I kind of suspect they would...they have somehow invested so 
 much faith into MMY as a person and guru that they would, on the 
 revelation, be SO disappointed and let-down that I suspect they 
 would somehow tie this in with the meditation and would quit.
 
 Of course, the practise of TM is NOT contingent upon whether MMY 
 diddled or didn't diddle; IT WILL WORK REGARDLESS.
 
 So how are these people meditating or approaching meditation if 
 they are so hung up on the reputation of and the rumors that, 
 more than 30 years later, swirl around a teacher?
 
 My attitude regarding MMY's reputation: assume the worst, expect 
 the best and...keep on truckin'.

Well said.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: TBers' responses to suggestions of MMY's improprieties

2005-09-05 Thread Premanand Paul Mason
I just took time off to meditate, for maybe about half an hour, I 
don't know how long it was and I find that it is still possible to 
transcend thought, in spite of having just been reading vitriole that 
passes for intelligent response. I imagine these 'fundies' have 
invested an awful lot of faith in getting their salvation via MMY. It 
is ironic that the core of the reaction has nothing to do with 
meditation but with blindly trying to find fault with the messenger, 
and with perching their images of MMY precariously back on the altars 
of their imaginations.






--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 The virulent response to suggestions of MMY's possible sexual 
 improprieties led me to ask myself how strong as meditators these 
 individuals are.
 
 What if it ever turned out that irrefutable proof was presented 
that 
 demonstrated MMY's impropriety...would these individuals QUIT 
 MEDITATING?
 
 I kind of suspect they would...they have somehow invested so 
 much faith into MMY as a person and guru that they would, on the 
 revelation, be SO disappointed and let-down that I suspect they 
would 
 somehow tie this in with the meditation and would quit.
 
 Of course, the practise of TM is NOT contingent upon whether MMY 
 diddled or didn't diddle; IT WILL WORK REGARDLESS.
 
 So how are these people meditating or approaching meditation if 
they 
 are so hung up on the reputation of and the rumors that, more than 
30 
 years later, swirl around a teacher?
 
 My attitude regarding MMY's reputation: assume the worst, expect 
the 
 best and...keep on truckin'.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: TBers' responses to suggestions of MMY's improprieties

2005-09-05 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I just took time off to meditate, for maybe about half an hour, I 
 don't know how long it was and I find that it is still possible to 
 transcend thought, in spite of having just been reading vitriole 
 that passes for intelligent response. I imagine these 'fundies' 
 have invested an awful lot of faith in getting their salvation 
 via MMY. 

And therein lies the problem.  That is *exactly* what
they have invested in.  Beam me up, Scotty/Maharishi.

 It is ironic that the core of the reaction has nothing to do with 
 meditation but with blindly trying to find fault with the 
 messenger, and with perching their images of MMY precariously 
 back on the altars of their imaginations.

I think what you'd find if you looked into it is that
the higher the altar they've put Maharishi on, the
less time they've actually spent in his presence.
Judy has never even been in the same room with the
man, after 30+ years of devoted TM practice.  I don't
know about lupidus, but I'd be willing to bet that he
never spent much actual time around the man either.

If they had, they'd realize that's exactly what he is,
a man.  And that no man is ever going to enlighten
them.  Can't be done.  One can only realize one's
own enlightenment, oneself.

Those who wait for someone else to do it for them
will be waiting forever.  And they'll be angry just
about as long, because it's taking so long to happen.
And they'll blame anyone who criticizes Scotty/MMY,
because they have to find some reason WHY it's taking
so long.  It just *can't* be because they've misplaced
their faith, and looked in the wrong place for their
own enlightenment.  It just *has* to be because some
people are hindering them somehow by not believing
in Scotty/MMY the way they do.  These people must
be *stopped*.  They're BAD.  Their disbelief and
disrespect is keeping Scotty/MMY from beaming me 
up.  Gotta demonize them.  Gotta keep other people
from believing the things they say.  Just gotta.

Go beam yourselves, assholes.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: TBers' responses to suggestions of MMY's improprieties

2005-09-05 Thread Premanand Paul Mason
and since we're clearly on the subject, what did Scotty find in the 
decompressurised-chemi-Khazi? 
The Captain's Log?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I just took time off to meditate, for maybe about half an hour, I 
  don't know how long it was and I find that it is still possible 
to 
  transcend thought, in spite of having just been reading vitriole 
  that passes for intelligent response. I imagine these 'fundies' 
  have invested an awful lot of faith in getting their salvation 
  via MMY. 
 
 And therein lies the problem.  That is *exactly* what
 they have invested in.  Beam me up, Scotty/Maharishi.
 
  It is ironic that the core of the reaction has nothing to do with 
  meditation but with blindly trying to find fault with the 
  messenger, and with perching their images of MMY precariously 
  back on the altars of their imaginations.
 
 I think what you'd find if you looked into it is that
 the higher the altar they've put Maharishi on, the
 less time they've actually spent in his presence.
 Judy has never even been in the same room with the
 man, after 30+ years of devoted TM practice.  I don't
 know about lupidus, but I'd be willing to bet that he
 never spent much actual time around the man either.
 
 If they had, they'd realize that's exactly what he is,
 a man.  And that no man is ever going to enlighten
 them.  Can't be done.  One can only realize one's
 own enlightenment, oneself.
 
 Those who wait for someone else to do it for them
 will be waiting forever.  And they'll be angry just
 about as long, because it's taking so long to happen.
 And they'll blame anyone who criticizes Scotty/MMY,
 because they have to find some reason WHY it's taking
 so long.  It just *can't* be because they've misplaced
 their faith, and looked in the wrong place for their
 own enlightenment.  It just *has* to be because some
 people are hindering them somehow by not believing
 in Scotty/MMY the way they do.  These people must
 be *stopped*.  They're BAD.  Their disbelief and
 disrespect is keeping Scotty/MMY from beaming me 
 up.  Gotta demonize them.  Gotta keep other people
 from believing the things they say.  Just gotta.
 
 Go beam yourselves, assholes.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: TBers' responses to suggestions of MMY's improprieties

2005-09-05 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I just took time off to meditate, for maybe about half an hour, I 
  don't know how long it was and I find that it is still possible 
to 
  transcend thought, in spite of having just been reading vitriole 
  that passes for intelligent response. I imagine these 'fundies' 
  have invested an awful lot of faith in getting their salvation 
  via MMY. 
 
 And therein lies the problem.  That is *exactly* what
 they have invested in.  Beam me up, Scotty/Maharishi.
 
  It is ironic that the core of the reaction has nothing to do with 
  meditation but with blindly trying to find fault with the 
  messenger, and with perching their images of MMY precariously 
  back on the altars of their imaginations.
 
 I think what you'd find if you looked into it is that
 the higher the altar they've put Maharishi on, the
 less time they've actually spent in his presence.
 Judy has never even been in the same room with the
 man, after 30+ years of devoted TM practice.

You just disproved your own formula, because I've
*never* put MMY on an altar.  The rest of your
rant is equally misapplied; I don't believe *any*
of the things you (or Paul) attribute to me.
Not one.

You're wallowing in your own ugly fantasies,
Barry.  It's way past time for you to wake up.




 I don't
 know about lupidus, but I'd be willing to bet that he
 ever spent much actual time around the man either.

 If they had, they'd realize that's exactly what he is,
 a man.  And that no man is ever going to enlighten
 them.  Can't be done.  One can only realize one's
 own enlightenment, oneself.
 
 Those who wait for someone else to do it for them
 will be waiting forever.  And they'll be angry just
 about as long, because it's taking so long to happen.
 And they'll blame anyone who criticizes Scotty/MMY,
 because they have to find some reason WHY it's taking
 so long.  It just *can't* be because they've misplaced
 their faith, and looked in the wrong place for their
 own enlightenment.  It just *has* to be because some
 people are hindering them somehow by not believing
 in Scotty/MMY the way they do.  These people must
 be *stopped*.  They're BAD.  Their disbelief and
 disrespect is keeping Scotty/MMY from beaming me 
 up.  Gotta demonize them.  Gotta keep other people
 from believing the things they say.  Just gotta.
 
 Go beam yourselves, assholes.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: TBers' responses to suggestions of MMY's improprieties

2005-09-05 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
 In a message dated 9/5/05 2:39:25 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
 Of  course, the practise of TM is NOT contingent upon whether MMY 
 diddled or  didn't diddle; IT WILL WORK REGARDLESS.
 
 So how are these people  meditating or approaching meditation if they 
 are so hung up on the  reputation of and the rumors that, more than 
 30 years later, swirl around  a teacher?
 
 My attitude regarding MMY's reputation: assume the worst,  expect the 
 best and...keep on truckin'.
 
 
 Bingo! Didn't Vyasa diddle?

How many devas could Vyasa diddle, if Vyasa did do diddling?







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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TBers' responses to suggestions of MMY's improprieties

2005-09-05 Thread MDixon6569






In a message dated 9/5/05 3:37:45 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
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  Bingo! Didn't Vyasa diddle?How many devas could Vyasa diddle, if Vyasa 
  did do diddling?

Let's count them:Shuka 
diddle!





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[FairfieldLife] Re: TBers' responses to suggestions of MMY's improprieties

2005-09-05 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
  
  I think what you'd find if you looked into it is that
  the higher the altar they've put Maharishi on, the
  less time they've actually spent in his presence.
  Judy has never even been in the same room with the
  man, after 30+ years of devoted TM practice.
 
 You just disproved your own formula, because I've
 *never* put MMY on an altar.  The rest of your
 rant is equally misapplied; I don't believe *any*
 of the things you (or Paul) attribute to me.
 Not one.

Yeah, right, babe.  That's why you couldn't
bring yourself to answer Shemp's questions
about whether you'd still have learned TM 
if the TM movement of today was the one you
had run into 30 years ago.

Pussy.  :-)








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[FairfieldLife] Re: TBers' responses to suggestions of MMY's improprieties

2005-09-05 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
   
   I think what you'd find if you looked into it is that
   the higher the altar they've put Maharishi on, the
   less time they've actually spent in his presence.
   Judy has never even been in the same room with the
   man, after 30+ years of devoted TM practice.
  
  You just disproved your own formula, because I've
  *never* put MMY on an altar.  The rest of your
  rant is equally misapplied; I don't believe *any*
  of the things you (or Paul) attribute to me.
  Not one.
 
 Yeah, right, babe.  That's why you couldn't
 bring yourself to answer Shemp's questions
 about whether you'd still have learned TM 
 if the TM movement of today was the one you
 had run into 30 years ago.
 
 Pussy.  :-)


And for the record, let me try and get Judy to address those 
questions once again:

Judy, could you please address the questions on message #70057?




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[FairfieldLife] Re: TBers' responses to suggestions of MMY's improprieties

2005-09-05 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 The virulent response to suggestions of MMY's possible sexual 
 improprieties led me to ask myself how strong as meditators these 
 individuals are.
 
 What if it ever turned out that irrefutable proof was presented 
that 
 demonstrated MMY's impropriety...would these individuals QUIT 
 MEDITATING?
 
 I kind of suspect they would...they have somehow invested so 
 much faith into MMY as a person and guru that they would, on the 
 revelation, be SO disappointed and let-down that I suspect they 
would 
 somehow tie this in with the meditation and would quit.
 
 Of course, the practise of TM is NOT contingent upon whether MMY 
 diddled or didn't diddle; IT WILL WORK REGARDLESS.
 
 So how are these people meditating or approaching meditation if 
they 
 are so hung up on the reputation of and the rumors that, more than 
30 
 years later, swirl around a teacher?
 
 My attitude regarding MMY's reputation: assume the worst, expect 
the 
 best and...keep on truckin'.

A good attitude, IMHO.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: TBers' responses to suggestions of MMY's improprieties

2005-09-05 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I just took time off to meditate, for maybe about half an hour, I 
 don't know how long it was and I find that it is still possible to 
 transcend thought, in spite of having just been reading vitriole 
that 
 passes for intelligent response.


Which vitriole have you read lately and where?


 I imagine these 'fundies' have 
 invested an awful lot of faith in getting their salvation via MMY. 
It 
 is ironic that the core of the reaction has nothing to do with 
 meditation but with blindly trying to find fault with the 
messenger, 
 and with perching their images of MMY precariously back on the 
altars 
 of their imaginations.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  The virulent response to suggestions of MMY's possible sexual 
  improprieties led me to ask myself how strong as meditators these 
  individuals are.
  
  What if it ever turned out that irrefutable proof was presented 
 that 
  demonstrated MMY's impropriety...would these individuals QUIT 
  MEDITATING?
  
  I kind of suspect they would...they have somehow invested so 
  much faith into MMY as a person and guru that they would, on 
the 
  revelation, be SO disappointed and let-down that I suspect they 
 would 
  somehow tie this in with the meditation and would quit.
  
  Of course, the practise of TM is NOT contingent upon whether MMY 
  diddled or didn't diddle; IT WILL WORK REGARDLESS.
  
  So how are these people meditating or approaching meditation if 
 they 
  are so hung up on the reputation of and the rumors that, more 
than 
 30 
  years later, swirl around a teacher?
  
  My attitude regarding MMY's reputation: assume the worst, expect 
 the 
  best and...keep on truckin'.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: TBers' responses to suggestions of MMY's improprieties

2005-09-05 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
   
   I think what you'd find if you looked into it is that
   the higher the altar they've put Maharishi on, the
   less time they've actually spent in his presence.
   Judy has never even been in the same room with the
   man, after 30+ years of devoted TM practice.
  
  You just disproved your own formula, because I've
  *never* put MMY on an altar.  The rest of your
  rant is equally misapplied; I don't believe *any*
  of the things you (or Paul) attribute to me.
  Not one.
 
 Yeah, right, babe.  That's why you couldn't
 bring yourself to answer Shemp's questions
 about whether you'd still have learned TM 
 if the TM movement of today was the one you
 had run into 30 years ago.

Complete non sequitur, sorry.

Who are you trying to fool, Barry, other than
yourself?





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[FairfieldLife] Re: TBers' responses to suggestions of MMY's improprieties

2005-09-05 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
   wrote:

I think what you'd find if you looked into it is that
the higher the altar they've put Maharishi on, the
less time they've actually spent in his presence.
Judy has never even been in the same room with the
man, after 30+ years of devoted TM practice.
   
   You just disproved your own formula, because I've
   *never* put MMY on an altar.  The rest of your
   rant is equally misapplied; I don't believe *any*
   of the things you (or Paul) attribute to me.
   Not one.
  
  Yeah, right, babe.  That's why you couldn't
  bring yourself to answer Shemp's questions
  about whether you'd still have learned TM 
  if the TM movement of today was the one you
  had run into 30 years ago.
  
  Pussy.  :-)
 
 And for the record, let me try and get Judy to address those 
 questions once again:
 
 Judy, could you please address the questions on message #70057?

If you can tell me how they're relevant to what
I said in the post you were responding to.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: TBers' responses to suggestions of MMY's improprieties

2005-09-05 Thread Richard J. Williams
TurquoiseB wrote: 
 Pussy.  :-)

You've got a foul mouth, Sir - maybe it's time for you to shut your
pie hole.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: TBers' responses to suggestions of MMY's improprieties

2005-09-05 Thread Richard J. Williams
TurquoiseB wrote:
 Go beam yourselves, assholes.

There are rules on this forum - I've seen people get banned for saying
less.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: TBers' responses to suggestions of MMY's improprieties

2005-09-05 Thread anonymousff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 TurquoiseB wrote: 
  Pussy.  :-)
 
 You've got a foul mouth, Sir - maybe it's time for you to shut your
 pie hole.

Are you out of medication? 
There are lots of internet sites where you can get medication
delivered right to your home so you never run out.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: TBers' responses to suggestions of MMY's improprieties

2005-09-05 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
   wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 
 I think what you'd find if you looked into it is that
 the higher the altar they've put Maharishi on, the
 less time they've actually spent in his presence.
 Judy has never even been in the same room with the
 man, after 30+ years of devoted TM practice.

You just disproved your own formula, because I've
*never* put MMY on an altar.  The rest of your
rant is equally misapplied; I don't believe *any*
of the things you (or Paul) attribute to me.
Not one.
   
   Yeah, right, babe.  That's why you couldn't
   bring yourself to answer Shemp's questions
   about whether you'd still have learned TM 
   if the TM movement of today was the one you
   had run into 30 years ago.
   
   Pussy.  :-)
  
  And for the record, let me try and get Judy to address those 
  questions once again:
  
  Judy, could you please address the questions on message #70057?
 
 If you can tell me how they're relevant to what
 I said in the post you were responding to.


I see.

so you won't answer.

Okay.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: TBers' responses to suggestions of MMY's improprieties

2005-09-05 Thread akasha_108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 TurquoiseB wrote:
  Go beam yourselves, assholes.
 
 There are rules on this forum - I've seen people get banned for saying
 less.

Banning has been rare
Only one comes to my mind
And he arose quickly

Like a pheonix 
Out of the sunken city
To write much chaos




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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TBers' responses to suggestions of MMY's improprieties

2005-09-05 Thread Rick Archer
on 9/5/05 7:20 PM, Richard J. Williams at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 TurquoiseB wrote:
 Pussy.  :-)
 
 You've got a foul mouth, Sir - maybe it's time for you to shut your
 pie hole.

Ah, the nostalgia. It's been months since I heard that phrase.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: TBers' responses to suggestions of MMY's improprieties

2005-09-05 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
   And for the record, let me try and get Judy to address those 
   questions once again:
   
   Judy, could you please address the questions on message #70057?
  
  If you can tell me how they're relevant to what
  I said in the post you were responding to.
 
 I see.
 
 so you won't answer.

Shemp, your reading comprehension problems are
getting progressively worse.





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