[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO threatens South Florida teacher and magazine
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [...] I actually think that the TMO doesn't really want to teach anyone in the West the TM Technique. The impossible contrast between the what they say and what they do seems to generate funds in an almost magical way. Obscure the reality, milk the true believers, prosper in real estate. It's unbelievable! We're so Deeevine, Our Actions are Soo Subtle. You Dunderheads just don't UnderSTAND! Oh, and by the way we do accept MasterCard and Visa (to promote World Peace, of course.) JohnY Is that the attitude of the recerted teachers or even of the rajahs themselves? Sad, if so. OTOH, my impression is that MOST participants have some clue about how silly it looks to most people. As my son says: you're offended by the wearing of funny hats, secret handshakes, etc? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Drugs Don't Discriminate. Get help for yourself or someone you know. http://us.click.yahoo.com/0I.OUB/ZbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO threatens South Florida teacher and magazine
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip The profile of the TMO is business and cult. That is what ordinary people seemore and more, when they hear the prices and learn what the TMO stands for. An Indian Muslim came to me and learned Transcendental Meditation some weeks ago. (I am an Independent TM-Teacher). He had first checked out the TMO - and when he came to me, he said: I do not want to be a part of a cult with Rajas and stuff. I do not want to be a part of an organisation who has over-prized their courses. I just want to learn Transcendental Meditation. Of course, unless things have changed, you can just learn Transcendental Meditation from the TMO without having to become part of a cult with Rajas and stuff (although of course you'll have to pay the TMO's prices). Did this gentleman really think learning TM from the TMO would mean joining a cult? Or was he just looking for a lower price? Actually I've seen the Rajas and Stuff stop interested folks from learning TM. People who were once enthusiastic about learning spend a couple of hours surfing the web and then never mention TM again. I'd bet that happens far more often than we know. JohnY IF the Rajas stops them, anything would stop them. I actually think that the TMO doesn't really want to teach anyone in the West the TM Technique. The impossible contrast between the what they say and what they do seems to generate funds in an almost magical way. Obscure the reality, milk the true believers, prosper in real estate. It's unbelievable! We're so Deeevine, Our Actions are Soo Subtle. You Dunderheads just don't UnderSTAND! Oh, and by the way we do accept MasterCard and Visa (to promote World Peace, of course.) JohnY I think you are right.The TMO is more and more like a Religion mixed with Non-Democratic Ideas. I think it is hard for a true Muslim and other Religions to accept that. And also people who want Democracy. It seems that TM as an easy, effortless technique to release stress and strain, is over-shadowed by all this weird things. When I do the Puja as a part of the Initiation, I explain that this belong to an old Tradition, because TM belongs to an old Vedic Tradition. Everybody accept it. What people is reacting on, is the Rajas, the Focus on money, among lot of other things. Ingegerd Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Ever feel sad or cry for no reason at all? Depression. Narrated by Kate Hudson. http://us.click.yahoo.com/YbEMxA/ubOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO threatens South Florida teacher and magazine
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip The profile of the TMO is business and cult. That is what ordinary people seemore and more, when they hear the prices and learn what the TMO stands for. An Indian Muslim came to me and learned Transcendental Meditation some weeks ago. (I am an Independent TM-Teacher). He had first checked out the TMO - and when he came to me, he said: I do not want to be a part of a cult with Rajas and stuff. I do not want to be a part of an organisation who has over-prized their courses. I just want to learn Transcendental Meditation. Of course, unless things have changed, you can just learn Transcendental Meditation from the TMO without having to become part of a cult with Rajas and stuff (although of course you'll have to pay the TMO's prices). Did this gentleman really think learning TM from the TMO would mean joining a cult? Or was he just looking for a lower price? He had the image that the TMO was a cult. He could not accept that. He is a businessman - and he could easily have paid the price of the TMO. But you explained to him that learning TM from the TMO wouldn't mean he'd have to join a cult, right? No, I did not. I do not argue about the TMO with people. The only thing I say is that I am not a part of the TMO because I do not agree with the course fee. I do not say anything negative about the TMO. To explain what the TMO are or not are, is not my responsibility. People see what they see and make their own thoughts. Oh, I wasn't suggesting that you *argue* with him, just that you let him know what the facts are with regard to that particular concern. And what are the facts? Is it yours and mine subjective meaning or is it what people learn from the TMO itself? I'm not sure I understand the question. Most people who learn TM pay their money, get their instruction, and go off and practice on their own without having any further contact with the TMO, except perhaps for an occasional checking session. Surely you would agree that this is a fact, not a subjective impression? Wherever the TMO may be on the cult scale, it exists to teach people to meditate, not to recruit them into the organization, unlike, say, the Moonies. You have to make a decision to become more involved; and if, like your student, you're wary of being drawn in to start with, it's highly unlikely that you will be. Seems to me the number of teachers who have become independent, or would like to be able to teach without having to go along with all the nutty stuff, is evidence of what I'm pointing out. I think I do the TMO a great favour not to say anything. Ingegerd Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Ever feel sad or cry for no reason at all? Depression. Narrated by Kate Hudson. http://us.click.yahoo.com/CQDrNC/ubOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO threatens South Florida teacher and magazine
There's a lot of misinformation being bandied about in the discussion of this situation here on FFLife. Snip Without making any judgments about either side, here are the facts: Big Snip - Basically, he (Mike) seems like a guy stuck in the past, (Hmmm... sounds like a judgement to me.) - living a bit of a self-delusion. (Oops, there's another one.) - he seems to have lost connection with today's TM Movement (Hey, this is a GOOD THING!) - and isn't really producing much real TM activity or TM teaching. (Hmmm... and the TMO is?) - seems way out of touch with reality (Seriously, who's way out of touch with reality in this scenario?) - Mike seems to be a loner; he could hardly get 4 other people to flying sessions (and most weren't teachers) (Well now, there's a slap in the face to all the citizen Sidha's down there in Florida.) - And where are his thousands of students? (H... and where are the TMO's?) Why is MDG so afraid and intimidated by this self delusioned guy who is stuck in his past that he finds it necessary to spend HOURS bolstering his ego writing this endless dribble? Personally, I'm rooting for Mike. I think it's a moot point. As Irmeli and others have pointed out, all that the TM lawyers can do *is* threaten. They're terrified to have this actually come to court, because they could *lose*, and thus lose their precious monopoly. Interestingly, I used to know Mike Scozzari. I gave my first TM lectures after teacher training down in Florida, and he was already there and already enthus- iastic. Although I haven't seen him since, I'd be willing to bet that (another value judgement here) he's simply more committed to the original idea of TM than to the reality of TM as practiced and taught by the modern TM organization. The idea of TM was to make a simple, easily-learned technique of meditation available to anyone who was interested, at a reasonable cost. The reality of TM is that it's the new gateway drug to involvement in a cult, and is priced in the same neighborhood as cocaine. I think Mike's approach is a good one; you can tell *how* good by the extent to which the new drug pushers of the TMO react to it and the extent to which they attempt to demonize some- one who still believes in ideals that they have sadly forgotten. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Need Help? Get Help! Tools and Strategies for Healthy Drug-Free Living/a. http://us.click.yahoo.com/wI.OUB/dbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO threatens South Florida teacher and magazine
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It did seem like an awful lot of words just to say, Mike should just be complacent like the rest of us and allow the TM movement to do whatever it wants. You're contributing to the defense fund, I take it? There will never *be* a defense fund because the TMO will be too terrified to allow the issue to come to court. This is all bluster and threats. But if it did, I don't really have the money to be of that much use to a defense fund, but I would certainly volunteer to be a witness for Mike's side of the case. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Ever feel sad or cry for no reason at all? Depression. Narrated by Kate Hudson. http://us.click.yahoo.com/CQDrNC/ubOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO threatens South Florida teacher and magazine
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It did seem like an awful lot of words just to say, Mike should just be complacent like the rest of us and allow the TM movement to do whatever it wants. You're contributing to the defense fund, I take it? There will never *be* a defense fund because the TMO will be too terrified to allow the issue to come to court. This is all bluster and threats. But if it did, I don't really have the money to be of that much use to a defense fund, but I would certainly volunteer to be a witness for Mike's side of the case. What side would that be? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO threatens South Florida teacher and magazine
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It did seem like an awful lot of words just to say, Mike should just be complacent like the rest of us and allow the TM movement to do whatever it wants. You're contributing to the defense fund, I take it? There will never *be* a defense fund because the TMO will be too terrified to allow the issue to come to court. This is all bluster and threats. But if it did, I don't really have the money to be of that much use to a defense fund, but I would certainly volunteer to be a witness for Mike's side of the case. What side would that be? The side of a dedicated TM teacher who wishes to continue honoring his original commitment to teach a potentially valuable technique of meditation at a reasonable price and who wishes that the organ- ization that represents that technique still felt the same. They *really* wouldn't want me as a witness in such a case. I spent several years at the TM National Center in L.A., in a position where I was privy to all sorts of illegal moneylaundering and coercive activities with regard to TM teachers. Me, I don't teach TM any more and never will again, but I do feel for someone who wishes to do that, honoring his original commitment to the TMO and wishing that they had a similar sense of honor to those they had commissioned in the past as teachers. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Dying to be thin? Anorexia. Narrated by Julianne Moore. http://us.click.yahoo.com/abEMxA/sbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TMO threatens South Florida teacher and magazine
Pom pous Is that French or something? Those French! --- anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What an arrogant asshole you, MDG, are. This is beyond any of your usual pompous material. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ffia1120 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael, I just have one question. Did your mother ever tape your mouth or otherwise prevent you from talking when you were growing up? Sal On Dec 12, 2005, at 2:23 PM, Michael Dean Goodman wrote: (Really long snip) I hope this gives FFLife readers some perspective on the local situation here in south Florida. It's caused much more heat on the FFLife list than it has here locally! Locally, other than his ads, Mike's TM activities are so limited that they have very little effect and get no attention. The few times that my schedule has allowed me to go to a TM event hosted by the new teachers, I've never heard Mike mentioned. Sounds to me (to quote Michael) like his ego got stuck. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Dying to be thin? Anorexia. Narrated by Julianne Moore. http://us.click.yahoo.com/abEMxA/sbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Does he tell you he loves you when he hits you? Abuse. Narrated by Halle Berry. http://us.click.yahoo.com/hemMeA/rbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pom pous Is that French or something? Those French! I think it's a hybrid American/French term. The 'pom' seems to refer to 'pom pom,' as in the things that cheerleaders wave around as they dance. The 'pous' is a French slang term for what the spectators are really interested in as the cheerleaders dance. Ha! Let's see Yahoo's porndetectors find something dirty in that! :-) --- anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What an arrogant asshole you, MDG, are. This is beyond any of your usual pompous material. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ffia1120 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael, I just have one question. Did your mother ever tape your mouth or otherwise prevent you from talking when you were growing up? Sal On Dec 12, 2005, at 2:23 PM, Michael Dean Goodman wrote: (Really long snip) I hope this gives FFLife readers some perspective on the local situation here in south Florida. It's caused much more heat on the FFLife list than it has here locally! Locally, other than his ads, Mike's TM activities are so limited that they have very little effect and get no attention. The few times that my schedule has allowed me to go to a TM event hosted by the new teachers, I've never heard Mike mentioned. Sounds to me (to quote Michael) like his ego got stuck. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Dying to be thin? Anorexia. Narrated by Julianne Moore. http://us.click.yahoo.com/abEMxA/sbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM --- -~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Dying to be thin? Anorexia. Narrated by Julianne Moore. http://us.click.yahoo.com/abEMxA/sbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO threatens South Florida teacher and magazine
I have mixed thoughts about the independent teacher in florida. I know from experience how challenging it is to run a local center, it requires tons of dedication. This guy has been doing that for decades apparently and his heart is invested. The new certifiables don't have that emotional investment in the community and may indeed be long gone from the area as soon as the NEXT BIG THING is announced in 4 months. I don't know how unrealistic he is, as mdg discussed, as he has a real job and does 7 steps in his spare time, teaching whoever happens to show up. What's he supposed to do - join up with the certifiables and make a presentation to the mayor on bulldozing downtown Miami in order to bring about world peace? OTOH I feel MMY has a right to destroy his mov't or at least the TM part of it if he wants, and a copyright is a copyright Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Does he tell you he loves you when he hits you? Abuse. Narrated by Halle Berry. http://us.click.yahoo.com/hemMeA/rbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TMO threatens South Florida teacher and magazine
Turquoise, je pense que tu joues au con!
--- TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Pom pous Is that French or something? Those
French!
I think it's a hybrid American/French term. The
'pom'
seems to refer to 'pom pom,' as in the things that
cheerleaders wave around as they dance. The 'pous'
is
a French slang term for what the spectators are
really
interested in as the cheerleaders dance.
Ha! Let's see Yahoo's porndetectors find something
dirty in that! :-)
--- anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What an arrogant asshole you, MDG, are. This is
beyond any of your
usual pompous material.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ffia1120
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal
Sunshine
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Michael, I just have one question. Did your
mother ever tape
your
mouth or otherwise prevent you from talking
when
you were growing
up?
Sal
On Dec 12, 2005, at 2:23 PM, Michael Dean
Goodman wrote:
(Really long snip)
I hope this gives FFLife readers some
perspective on the local
situation
here in south Florida. It's caused much
more
heat on the
FFLife
list
than
it has here locally! Locally, other than
his
ads, Mike's TM
activities
are so limited that they have very little
effect and get no
attention.
The few times that my schedule has
allowed me
to go to a TM
event
hosted
by the new teachers, I've never heard
Mike
mentioned.
Sounds to me (to quote Michael) like his ego
got
stuck.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have mixed thoughts about the independent teacher in florida. I know from experience how challenging it is to run a local center, it requires tons of dedication. This guy has been doing that for decades apparently and his heart is invested. The new certifiables don't have that emotional investment in the community and may indeed be long gone from the area as soon as the NEXT BIG THING is announced in 4 months. I don't know how unrealistic he is, as mdg discussed, as he has a real job and does 7 steps in his spare time, teaching whoever happens to show up. What's he supposed to do - join up with the certifiables and make a presentation to the mayor on bulldozing downtown Miami in order to bring about world peace? OTOH I feel MMY has a right to destroy his mov't or at least the TM part of it if he wants, and a copyright is a copyright Do you actually think that it will take 4 months? (VBG). It may take even longer to get the next fund raising vehicle in place. The key phrase is: teaching whoever happens to show up. Is there any spirituality left in the TMO, or is it all just 'business', in the very loosest sense of the word? It's all very sad. JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Ever feel sad or cry for no reason at all? Depression. Narrated by Kate Hudson. http://us.click.yahoo.com/YbEMxA/ubOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO threatens South Florida teacher and magazine
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have mixed thoughts about the independent teacher in florida. I know from experience how challenging it is to run a local center, it requires tons of dedication. This guy has been doing that for decades apparently and his heart is invested. The new certifiables don't have that emotional investment in the community and may indeed be long gone from the area as soon as the NEXT BIG THING is announced in 4 months. I don't know how unrealistic he is, as mdg discussed, as he has a real job and does 7 steps in his spare time, teaching whoever happens to show up. What's he supposed to do - join up with the certifiables and make a presentation to the mayor on bulldozing downtown Miami in order to bring about world peace? OTOH I feel MMY has a right to destroy his mov't or at least the TM part of it if he wants, and a copyright is a copyright Do you actually think that it will take 4 months? (VBG). It may take even longer to get the next fund raising vehicle in place. The key phrase is: teaching whoever happens to show up. Is there any spirituality left in the TMO, or is it all just 'business', in the very loosest sense of the word? It's all very sad. JohnY The profile of the TMO is business and cult. That is what ordinary people seemore and more, when they hear the prices and learn what the TMO stands for. An Indian Muslim came to me and learned Transcendental Meditation some weeks ago. (I am an Independent TM-Teacher). He had first checked out the TMO - and when he came to me, he said: I do not want to be a part of a cult with Rajas and stuff. I do not want to be a part of an organisation who has over-prized their courses. I just want to learn Transcendental Meditation. Ingegerd Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Ever feel sad or cry for no reason at all? Depression. Narrated by Kate Hudson. http://us.click.yahoo.com/CQDrNC/ubOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO threatens South Florida teacher and magazine
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OTOH I feel MMY has a right to destroy his mov't or at least the TM part of it if he wants, and a copyright is a copyright True, provided he was solely responsible for its development. This is the case, provided you remove from history the countless individuals who contributed time, money and professional standing. Copyrights provide a legal framework. A more principled offering would spring naturally from gratitude. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Does he tell you he loves you when he hits you? Abuse. Narrated by Halle Berry. http://us.click.yahoo.com/HcoraC/rbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO threatens South Florida teacher and magazine
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip The profile of the TMO is business and cult. That is what ordinary people seemore and more, when they hear the prices and learn what the TMO stands for. An Indian Muslim came to me and learned Transcendental Meditation some weeks ago. (I am an Independent TM-Teacher). He had first checked out the TMO - and when he came to me, he said: I do not want to be a part of a cult with Rajas and stuff. I do not want to be a part of an organisation who has over-prized their courses. I just want to learn Transcendental Meditation. Of course, unless things have changed, you can just learn Transcendental Meditation from the TMO without having to become part of a cult with Rajas and stuff (although of course you'll have to pay the TMO's prices). Did this gentleman really think learning TM from the TMO would mean joining a cult? Or was he just looking for a lower price? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Does he tell you he loves you when he hits you? Abuse. Narrated by Halle Berry. http://us.click.yahoo.com/HcoraC/rbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO threatens South Florida teacher and magazine
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Turquoise, je pense que tu joues au con! Mais non...'pousse' means 'the push,' which is slang for the moments of high action in a football (soccer) game. The spectators are more interested in the action of the push than they are in the cheerleaders' pom poms, n'est-ce pas? What did you think I meant? :-) --- TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pom pous Is that French or something? Those French! I think it's a hybrid American/French term. The 'pom' seems to refer to 'pom pom,' as in the things that cheerleaders wave around as they dance. The 'pous' is a French slang term for what the spectators are really interested in as the cheerleaders dance. Ha! Let's see Yahoo's porndetectors find something dirty in that! :-) --- anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What an arrogant asshole you, MDG, are. This is beyond any of your usual pompous material. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ffia1120 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael, I just have one question. Did your mother ever tape your mouth or otherwise prevent you from talking when you were growing up? Sal On Dec 12, 2005, at 2:23 PM, Michael Dean Goodman wrote: (Really long snip) I hope this gives FFLife readers some perspective on the local situation here in south Florida. It's caused much more heat on the FFLife list than it has here locally! Locally, other than his ads, Mike's TM activities are so limited that they have very little effect and get no attention. The few times that my schedule has allowed me to go to a TM event hosted by the new teachers, I've never heard Mike mentioned. Sounds to me (to quote Michael) like his ego got stuck. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Dying to be thin? Anorexia. Narrated by Julianne Moore. http://us.click.yahoo.com/abEMxA/sbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM --- -~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Dying to be thin? Anorexia. Narrated by Julianne Moore. http://us.click.yahoo.com/abEMxA/sbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM --- -~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Ever feel sad or cry for no reason at all? Depression. Narrated by Kate Hudson. http://us.click.yahoo.com/CQDrNC/ubOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO threatens South Florida teacher and magazine
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip The profile of the TMO is business and cult. That is what ordinary people seemore and more, when they hear the prices and learn what the TMO stands for. An Indian Muslim came to me and learned Transcendental Meditation some weeks ago. (I am an Independent TM-Teacher). He had first checked out the TMO - and when he came to me, he said: I do not want to be a part of a cult with Rajas and stuff. I do not want to be a part of an organisation who has over-prized their courses. I just want to learn Transcendental Meditation. Of course, unless things have changed, you can just learn Transcendental Meditation from the TMO without having to become part of a cult with Rajas and stuff (although of course you'll have to pay the TMO's prices). Did this gentleman really think learning TM from the TMO would mean joining a cult? Or was he just looking for a lower price? He had the image that the TMO was a cult. He could not accept that. He is a businessman - and he could easily have paid the price of the TMO. Ingegerd Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Drugs Don't Discriminate. Get help for yourself or someone you know. http://us.click.yahoo.com/0I.OUB/ZbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO threatens South Florida teacher and magazine
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have mixed thoughts about the independent teacher in florida. I know from experience how challenging it is to run a local center, it requires tons of dedication. This guy has been doing that for decades apparently and his heart is invested. The new certifiables don't have that emotional investment in the community and may indeed be long gone from the area as soon as the NEXT BIG THING is announced in 4 months. You mean like Denise Deniston and hubby here in Denise's hometown of Tucson, AZ? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Dying to be thin? Anorexia. Narrated by Julianne Moore. http://us.click.yahoo.com/abEMxA/sbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO threatens South Florida teacher and magazine
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip The profile of the TMO is business and cult. That is what ordinary people seemore and more, when they hear the prices and learn what the TMO stands for. An Indian Muslim came to me and learned Transcendental Meditation some weeks ago. (I am an Independent TM-Teacher). He had first checked out the TMO - and when he came to me, he said: I do not want to be a part of a cult with Rajas and stuff. I do not want to be a part of an organisation who has over-prized their courses. I just want to learn Transcendental Meditation. Of course, unless things have changed, you can just learn Transcendental Meditation from the TMO without having to become part of a cult with Rajas and stuff (although of course you'll have to pay the TMO's prices). Did this gentleman really think learning TM from the TMO would mean joining a cult? Or was he just looking for a lower price? Buttering up to the person he was dealing with, who obviously can't stand the TMO... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Dying to be thin? Anorexia. Narrated by Julianne Moore. http://us.click.yahoo.com/abEMxA/sbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO threatens South Florida teacher and magazine
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip The profile of the TMO is business and cult. That is what ordinary people seemore and more, when they hear the prices and learn what the TMO stands for. An Indian Muslim came to me and learned Transcendental Meditation some weeks ago. (I am an Independent TM-Teacher). He had first checked out the TMO - and when he came to me, he said: I do not want to be a part of a cult with Rajas and stuff. I do not want to be a part of an organisation who has over-prized their courses. I just want to learn Transcendental Meditation. Of course, unless things have changed, you can just learn Transcendental Meditation from the TMO without having to become part of a cult with Rajas and stuff (although of course you'll have to pay the TMO's prices). Did this gentleman really think learning TM from the TMO would mean joining a cult? Or was he just looking for a lower price? He had the image that the TMO was a cult. He could not accept that. He is a businessman - and he could easily have paid the price of the TMO. But you explained to him that learning TM from the TMO wouldn't mean he'd have to join a cult, right? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Need Help? Get Help! Tools and Strategies for Healthy Drug-Free Living/a. http://us.click.yahoo.com/wI.OUB/dbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO threatens South Florida teacher and magazine
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It did seem like an awful lot of words just to say, Mike should just be complacent like the rest of us and allow the TM movement to do whatever it wants. You're contributing to the defense fund, I take it? There will never *be* a defense fund because the TMO will be too terrified to allow the issue to come to court. This is all bluster and threats. But if it did, I don't really have the money to be of that much use to a defense fund, but I would certainly volunteer to be a witness for Mike's side of the case. What side would that be? The side of a dedicated TM teacher who wishes to continue honoring his original commitment to teach a potentially valuable technique of meditation at a reasonable price and who wishes that the organ- ization that represents that technique still felt the same. But that's not what the court case would be about. All of that is immaterial to someone using a registered trademark without permission. More than likely, a good TMO lawyer could get any and all witnesses/testimony/facts pertaining to these points excluded automatically. They *really* wouldn't want me as a witness in such a case. I spent several years at the TM National Center in L.A., in a position where I was privy to all sorts of illegal moneylaundering and coercive activities with regard to TM teachers. And you probably wouldn't be called because any such testimony is irrelevant to the question: does the TMO have the right to say who can and cannot use its registered trademarks? Me, I don't teach TM any more and never will again, but I do feel for someone who wishes to do that, honoring his original commitment to the TMO and wishing that they had a similar sense of honor to those they had commissioned in the past as teachers. Again, irrelevant to any court case the TMO would bring. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Dying to be thin? Anorexia. Narrated by Julianne Moore. http://us.click.yahoo.com/abEMxA/sbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO threatens South Florida teacher and magazine
It did seem like an awful lot of words just to say, Mike should just be complacent like the rest of us and allow the TM movement to do whatever it wants. You're contributing to the defense fund, I take it? There will never *be* a defense fund because the TMO will be too terrified to allow the issue to come to court. This is all bluster and threats. But if it did, I don't really have the money to be of that much use to a defense fund, but I would certainly volunteer to be a witness for Mike's side of the case. What side would that be? The side of a dedicated TM teacher who wishes to continue honoring his original commitment to teach a potentially valuable technique of meditation at a reasonable price and who wishes that the organ- ization that represents that technique still felt the same. But that's not what the court case would be about. That's what we'd make it about. And with reason. Cults get away with shit because they keep it in the closet, hidden from public view. The way to combat cultishness is to bring it into the open and allow non-cult members to see what the cult members are accepting without question. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Does he tell you he loves you when he hits you? Abuse. Narrated by Halle Berry. http://us.click.yahoo.com/hemMeA/rbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO threatens South Florida teacher and magazine
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip The profile of the TMO is business and cult. That is what ordinary people seemore and more, when they hear the prices and learn what the TMO stands for. An Indian Muslim came to me and learned Transcendental Meditation some weeks ago. (I am an Independent TM-Teacher). He had first checked out the TMO - and when he came to me, he said: I do not want to be a part of a cult with Rajas and stuff. I do not want to be a part of an organisation who has over-prized their courses. I just want to learn Transcendental Meditation. Of course, unless things have changed, you can just learn Transcendental Meditation from the TMO without having to become part of a cult with Rajas and stuff (although of course you'll have to pay the TMO's prices). Did this gentleman really think learning TM from the TMO would mean joining a cult? Or was he just looking for a lower price? He had the image that the TMO was a cult. He could not accept that. He is a businessman - and he could easily have paid the price of the TMO. But you explained to him that learning TM from the TMO wouldn't mean he'd have to join a cult, right? No, I did not. I do not argue about the TMO with people. The only thing I say is that I am not a part of the TMO because I do not agree with the course fee. I do not say anything negative about the TMO. To explain what the TMO are or not are, is not my responsibility. People see what they see and make their own thoughts. Ingegerd Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Dying to be thin? Anorexia. Narrated by Julianne Moore. http://us.click.yahoo.com/AQDrNC/sbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO threatens South Florida teacher and magazine
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip The profile of the TMO is business and cult. That is what ordinary people seemore and more, when they hear the prices and learn what the TMO stands for. An Indian Muslim came to me and learned Transcendental Meditation some weeks ago. (I am an Independent TM-Teacher). He had first checked out the TMO - and when he came to me, he said: I do not want to be a part of a cult with Rajas and stuff. I do not want to be a part of an organisation who has over-prized their courses. I just want to learn Transcendental Meditation. Of course, unless things have changed, you can just learn Transcendental Meditation from the TMO without having to become part of a cult with Rajas and stuff (although of course you'll have to pay the TMO's prices). Did this gentleman really think learning TM from the TMO would mean joining a cult? Or was he just looking for a lower price? Actually I've seen the Rajas and Stuff stop interested folks from learning TM. People who were once enthusiastic about learning spend a couple of hours surfing the web and then never mention TM again. I'd bet that happens far more often than we know. JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Ever feel sad or cry for no reason at all? Depression. Narrated by Kate Hudson. http://us.click.yahoo.com/YbEMxA/ubOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO threatens South Florida teacher and magazine
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip The profile of the TMO is business and cult. That is what ordinary people seemore and more, when they hear the prices and learn what the TMO stands for. An Indian Muslim came to me and learned Transcendental Meditation some weeks ago. (I am an Independent TM-Teacher). He had first checked out the TMO - and when he came to me, he said: I do not want to be a part of a cult with Rajas and stuff. I do not want to be a part of an organisation who has over-prized their courses. I just want to learn Transcendental Meditation. Of course, unless things have changed, you can just learn Transcendental Meditation from the TMO without having to become part of a cult with Rajas and stuff (although of course you'll have to pay the TMO's prices). Did this gentleman really think learning TM from the TMO would mean joining a cult? Or was he just looking for a lower price? He had the image that the TMO was a cult. He could not accept that. He is a businessman - and he could easily have paid the price of the TMO. But you explained to him that learning TM from the TMO wouldn't mean he'd have to join a cult, right? No, I did not. I do not argue about the TMO with people. The only thing I say is that I am not a part of the TMO because I do not agree with the course fee. I do not say anything negative about the TMO. To explain what the TMO are or not are, is not my responsibility. People see what they see and make their own thoughts. Oh, I wasn't suggesting that you *argue* with him, just that you let him know what the facts are with regard to that particular concern. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Need Help? Get Help! Tools and Strategies for Healthy Drug-Free Living/a. http://us.click.yahoo.com/wI.OUB/dbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO threatens South Florida teacher and magazine
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It did seem like an awful lot of words just to say, Mike should just be complacent like the rest of us and allow the TM movement to do whatever it wants. You're contributing to the defense fund, I take it? There will never *be* a defense fund because the TMO will be too terrified to allow the issue to come to court. This is all bluster and threats. But if it did, I don't really have the money to be of that much use to a defense fund, but I would certainly volunteer to be a witness for Mike's side of the case. What side would that be? The side of a dedicated TM teacher who wishes to continue honoring his original commitment to teach a potentially valuable technique of meditation at a reasonable price and who wishes that the organ- ization that represents that technique still felt the same. But that's not what the court case would be about. That's what we'd make it about. And with reason. Cults get away with shit because they keep it in the closet, hidden from public view. The way to combat cultishness is to bring it into the open and allow non-cult members to see what the cult members are accepting without question. I'm sorry, you're not allowed to change the reasons for a lawsuit. You must be the plaintiff to do that. What damage is being done to the plaintiffs by the TMO attempts to enforce their trademark rights? What grounds do YOU and your friends have to sue the TMO? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Ever feel sad or cry for no reason at all? Depression. Narrated by Kate Hudson. http://us.click.yahoo.com/YbEMxA/ubOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip The profile of the TMO is business and cult. That is what ordinary people seemore and more, when they hear the prices and learn what the TMO stands for. An Indian Muslim came to me and learned Transcendental Meditation some weeks ago. (I am an Independent TM-Teacher). He had first checked out the TMO - and when he came to me, he said: I do not want to be a part of a cult with Rajas and stuff. I do not want to be a part of an organisation who has over-prized their courses. I just want to learn Transcendental Meditation. Of course, unless things have changed, you can just learn Transcendental Meditation from the TMO without having to become part of a cult with Rajas and stuff (although of course you'll have to pay the TMO's prices). Did this gentleman really think learning TM from the TMO would mean joining a cult? Or was he just looking for a lower price? Actually I've seen the Rajas and Stuff stop interested folks from learning TM. People who were once enthusiastic about learning spend a couple of hours surfing the web and then never mention TM again. I'd bet that happens far more often than we know. JohnY IF the Rajas stops them, anything would stop them. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Dying to be thin? Anorexia. Narrated by Julianne Moore. http://us.click.yahoo.com/abEMxA/sbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip The profile of the TMO is business and cult. That is what ordinary people seemore and more, when they hear the prices and learn what the TMO stands for. An Indian Muslim came to me and learned Transcendental Meditation some weeks ago. (I am an Independent TM-Teacher). He had first checked out the TMO - and when he came to me, he said: I do not want to be a part of a cult with Rajas and stuff. I do not want to be a part of an organisation who has over-prized their courses. I just want to learn Transcendental Meditation. Of course, unless things have changed, you can just learn Transcendental Meditation from the TMO without having to become part of a cult with Rajas and stuff (although of course you'll have to pay the TMO's prices). Did this gentleman really think learning TM from the TMO would mean joining a cult? Or was he just looking for a lower price? Actually I've seen the Rajas and Stuff stop interested folks from learning TM. People who were once enthusiastic about learning spend a couple of hours surfing the web and then never mention TM again. I'd bet that happens far more often than we know. JohnY IF the Rajas stops them, anything would stop them. I actually think that the TMO doesn't really want to teach anyone in the West the TM Technique. The impossible contrast between the what they say and what they do seems to generate funds in an almost magical way. Obscure the reality, milk the true believers, prosper in real estate. It's unbelievable! We're so Deeevine, Our Actions are Soo Subtle. You Dunderheads just don't UnderSTAND! Oh, and by the way we do accept MasterCard and Visa (to promote World Peace, of course.) JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Dying to be thin? Anorexia. Narrated by Julianne Moore. http://us.click.yahoo.com/AQDrNC/sbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Reply from Mike Scozzari to magazine publisher 12/7/05 Natural Awakenings Magazine Palm Beach Edition Editor and Publisher Dear Leah, Thank you for forwarding me the letter sent to you by Mr. Goldtein. The letter is an unfortunate and clumsy attempt to intimidate and embarrass you and your magazine. There is in fact no substance to the absurd allegations made by Mr. Goldtein. I am a fully trained and qualified and bona fide teacher of Transcendental Meditation and have been operating as such for the last 33 years. I have thousands of my students and clients in the South Florida area. I am well known to TM teachers in South Florida and to fellow TM teachers both Nation- ally and abroad. My advertisements have been placed in the Palm beach media since 1990. You may forward this letter to Mr Goldstein'. Kindly tell him that his assertions that I am in infringement of the service marks in question does not necessarily make it so. If Mr Goldstein feels that there has been some infringement, his remedy surely lies in bringing the matter before a court of law -- not in complaining to you. If such an action were brought by him I along with many other TM teachers with whom I am in contact would be strenuously and vigorously contesting his allega- tions in a class action suit. As a self styled copyright attorney Mr. Goldstein ought to know that copyright matters are often complex and can only be decided by a court oflaw after carefully hearing both sides. Mr Goldstein should be told that a magazine such as yourself cannot be expected to get involved in complaints of this nature and that you have no intention of getting involved simply on the basis of his alle- gations. They are at best his point of view on the matter. If and when the matter has been decided by a court of law in his client's favor then and only then should he approach your magazine in the manner that he has. Until then, you can take no action on his unsubstantiated allegations. That is the end of the matter so far as your magazine is concerned. Indeed, this is the only position you can fairly take in the circum- stances. Were you to take action on Mr Goldstein's allegations you would be doing a great injustice to legitimate clients like myself who have been doing business with you for a considerable period of time. I am looking forward to my advertisement being placed in your magazine and my continuing association with you. I close with Season's Greetings to you and the staff of Natural Awa- kenings Magazine, Sincerely, Mike Scozzari cc/legal council Dear Fairfield Lifers, There's a lot of misinformation being bandied about in the discussion of this situation here on FFLife. I live a mile from this teacher, Mike Scozzari, in Boca Raton Florida. I've met him and talked with him. I'm on his e-mail list for announcements about his TM activities. I see his ads in the local new age magazine that I pick up when I shop at Whole Foods. I've also met the local recertified TM teachers and heard them discuss their interactions with Mike since they arrived here. Without making any judgments about either side, here are the facts and impressions I've gathered locally: People tell me that Mike Scozzari was one of the founding TM teachers decades ago in the southeast Florida area (Miami). He did his teacher training course in 1972, and did a lot of TM teaching here in the good old days. Apparently he became a Governor (took the TM-Sidhis program) somewhere along the line. When Maharishi's focus changed away from ini- tiations, and the local center(s) here closed up, Mike continued to try and teach TM and had trouble adjusting to all the new stuff. When the price of TM increased in the 90s, he balked, and set his own pricing. When I first moved here a couple of years ago from Fairfield, I saw his TM ad. So I went to his advertised location for the introductory lecture, to introduce myself to him, to check him out, and to see what kind of local meditating community there might be. He told me that he'd been renting this conference room in a local Kinko's on Federal Hwy. in Boca Raton every week for quite a while. He'd advertise an intro lecture, and show up - but he admitted to me that hardly anyone had ever attended. The night I came to meet him, it was just he and I, and we talked and got to know each other for over an hour. He told me that he's married, and he's a traveling sporting goods sales- man by day. He said that he had some interest from a couple of companies to do an in-house TM presentation, and maybe a course, for them. I men- tioned that I'd helped design the old TM business program (AFSCI), and taught it in Chicago in some big companies, and I'd be happy to be of ser- vice (even go with him to give the presentations without any compensation). He politely thanked me
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Michael, I just have one question. Did your mother ever tape your mouth or otherwise prevent you from talking when you were growing up? Sal On Dec 12, 2005, at 2:23 PM, Michael Dean Goodman wrote: (Really long snip) I hope this gives FFLife readers some perspective on the local situation here in south Florida. It's caused much more heat on the FFLife list than it has here locally! Locally, other than his ads, Mike's TM activities are so limited that they have very little effect and get no attention. The few times that my schedule has allowed me to go to a TM event hosted by the new teachers, I've never heard Mike mentioned.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael, I just have one question. Did your mother ever tape your mouth or otherwise prevent you from talking when you were growing up? Sal On Dec 12, 2005, at 2:23 PM, Michael Dean Goodman wrote: (Really long snip) I hope this gives FFLife readers some perspective on the local situation here in south Florida. It's caused much more heat on the FFLife list than it has here locally! Locally, other than his ads, Mike's TM activities are so limited that they have very little effect and get no attention. The few times that my schedule has allowed me to go to a TM event hosted by the new teachers, I've never heard Mike mentioned. Sounds to me (to quote Michael) like his ego got stuck. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Drugs Don't Discriminate. Get help for yourself or someone you know. http://us.click.yahoo.com/0I.OUB/ZbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Michael, I just have one question. Did your mother ever tape your mouth or otherwise prevent you from talking when you were growing up? Sounds to me (to quote Michael) like his ego got stuck. It did seem like an awful lot of words just to say, Mike should just be complacent like the rest of us and allow the TM movement to do whatever it wants. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Drugs Don't Discriminate. Get help for yourself or someone you know. http://us.click.yahoo.com/0I.OUB/ZbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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On Dec 12, 2005, at 3:23 PM, Michael Dean Goodman wrote: Reply from Mike Scozzari to magazine publisher 12/7/05 Natural Awakenings Magazine Palm Beach Edition Editor and Publisher Dear Leah, Thank you for forwarding me the letter sent to you by Mr. Goldtein. The letter is an unfortunate and clumsy attempt to intimidate and embarrass you and your magazine. There is in fact no substance to the absurd allegations made by Mr. Goldtein. I am a fully trained and qualified and bona fide teacher of Transcendental Meditation and have been operating as such for the last 33 years. I have thousands of my students and clients in the South Florida area. I am well known to TM teachers in South Florida and to fellow TM teachers both Nation- ally and abroad. My advertisements have been placed in the Palm beach media since 1990. You may forward this letter to Mr Goldstein'. Kindly tell him that his assertions that I am in infringement of the service marks in question does not necessarily make it so. If Mr Goldstein feels that there has been some infringement, his remedy surely lies in bringing the matter before a court of law -- not in complaining to you. If such an action were brought by him I along with many other TM teachers with whom I am in contact would be strenuously and vigorously contesting his allega- tions in a class action suit. As a self styled copyright attorney Mr. Goldstein ought to know that copyright matters are often complex and can only be decided by a court oflaw after carefully hearing both sides. Mr Goldstein should be told that a magazine such as yourself cannot be expected to get involved in complaints of this nature and that you have no intention of getting involved simply on the basis of his alle- gations. They are at best his point of view on the matter. If and when the matter has been decided by a court of law in his client's favor then and only then should he approach your magazine in the manner that he has. Until then, you can take no action on his unsubstantiated allegations. That is the end of the matter so far as your magazine is concerned. Indeed, this is the only position you can fairly take in the circum- stances. Were you to take action on Mr Goldstein's allegations you would be doing a great injustice to legitimate clients like myself who have been doing business with you for a considerable period of time. I am looking forward to my advertisement being placed in your magazine and my continuing association with you. I close with Season's Greetings to you and the staff of Natural Awa- kenings Magazine, Sincerely, Mike Scozzari cc/legal council Dear Fairfield Lifers, There's a lot of misinformation being bandied about in the discussion of this situation here on FFLife. I live a mile from this teacher, Mike Scozzari, in Boca Raton Florida. I've met him and talked with him. I'm on his e-mail list for announcements about his TM activities. I see his ads in the local new age magazine that I pick up when I shop at Whole Foods. I've also met the local recertified TM teachers and heard them discuss their interactions with Mike since they arrived here. Without making any judgments about either side, here are the facts and impressions I've gathered locally: People tell me that Mike Scozzari was one of the founding TM teachers decades ago in the southeast Florida area (Miami). He did his teacher training course in 1972, and did a lot of TM teaching here in the good old days. Apparently he became a Governor (took the TM-Sidhis program) somewhere along the line. When Maharishi's focus changed away from ini- tiations, and the local center(s) here closed up, Mike continued to try and teach TM and had trouble adjusting to all the new stuff. When the price of TM increased in the 90s, he balked, and set his own pricing. When I first moved here a couple of years ago from Fairfield, I saw his TM ad. So I went to his advertised location for the introductory lecture, to introduce myself to him, to check him out, and to see what kind of local meditating community there might be. He told me that he'd been renting this conference room in a local Kinko's on Federal Hwy. in Boca Raton every week for quite a while. He'd advertise an intro lecture, and show up - but he admitted to me that hardly anyone had ever attended. The night I came to meet him, it was just he and I, and we talked and got to know each other for over an hour. He told me that he's married, and he's a traveling sporting goods sales- man by day. He said that he had some interest from a couple of companies to do an in-house TM presentation, and maybe a course, for them. I men- tioned that I'd helped design the old TM business program (AFSCI), and taught it in Chicago in some big companies, and I'd be happy to be of ser- vice (even go with
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Or his keyboard. Sal On Dec 12, 2005, at 3:25 PM, ffia1120 wrote: Sounds to me (to quote Michael) like his ego got stuck.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Dean Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Dean Goodman Dear Fairfield Lifers, There's a lot of misinformation being bandied about in the discussion of this situation here on FFLife. Snip Without making any judgments about either side, here are the facts: Big Snip - Basically, he (Mike) seems like a guy stuck in the past, (Hmmm... sounds like a judgement to me.) - living a bit of a self-delusion. (Oops, there's another one.) - he seems to have lost connection with today's TM Movement (Hey, this is a GOOD THING!) - and isn't really producing much real TM activity or TM teaching. (Hmmm... and the TMO is?) - seems way out of touch with reality (Seriously, who's way out of touch with reality in this scenario?) - Mike seems to be a loner; he could hardly get 4 other people to flying sessions (and most weren't teachers) (Well now, there's a slap in the face to all the citizen Sidha's down there in Florida.) - And where are his thousands of students? (H... and where are the TMO's?) Why is MDG so afraid and intimidated by this self delusioned guy who is stuck in his past that he finds it necessary to spend HOURS bolstering his ego writing this endless dribble? Personally, I'm rooting for Mike. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Dying to be thin? Anorexia. Narrated by Julianne Moore. http://us.click.yahoo.com/abEMxA/sbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael, I just have one question. Did your mother ever tape your mouth or otherwise prevent you from talking when you were growing up? Sounds to me (to quote Michael) like his ego got stuck. It did seem like an awful lot of words just to say, Mike should just be complacent like the rest of us and allow the TM movement to do whatever it wants. You're contributing to the defense fund, I take it? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Ever feel sad or cry for no reason at all? Depression. Narrated by Kate Hudson. http://us.click.yahoo.com/YbEMxA/ubOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael, I just have one question. Did your mother ever tape your mouth or otherwise prevent you from talking when you were growing up? Sounds to me (to quote Michael) like his ego got stuck. It did seem like an awful lot of words just to say, Mike should just be complacent like the rest of us and allow the TM movement to do whatever it wants. About a year ago I had the opportunity to speak to Mike S. I admired his tenacity and the fact that he was teaching regularly. Four people a month is probably more than the re'certs are doing. I guess it all depends on whether you think the TMO should honor it's agreements with teachers or not. And whether the TM Organiztions should actually teach the TM technique or just raise money. JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Does he tell you he loves you when he hits you? Abuse. Narrated by Halle Berry. http://us.click.yahoo.com/HcoraC/rbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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What an arrogant asshole you, MDG, are. This is beyond any of your usual pompous material. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ffia1120 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael, I just have one question. Did your mother ever tape your mouth or otherwise prevent you from talking when you were growing up? Sal On Dec 12, 2005, at 2:23 PM, Michael Dean Goodman wrote: (Really long snip) I hope this gives FFLife readers some perspective on the local situation here in south Florida. It's caused much more heat on the FFLife list than it has here locally! Locally, other than his ads, Mike's TM activities are so limited that they have very little effect and get no attention. The few times that my schedule has allowed me to go to a TM event hosted by the new teachers, I've never heard Mike mentioned. Sounds to me (to quote Michael) like his ego got stuck. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Dying to be thin? Anorexia. Narrated by Julianne Moore. http://us.click.yahoo.com/abEMxA/sbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://thequietpath.org/contact.php So does the TMO see ANY of the money? No they do not. Please remember, that earlier this year, Maharishi made mention, in one of the weekly conference calls, that he knows there are TM teachers out there teaching independently and he (amazingly) gave his tacit approval. Maybe Bob B (or someone) knows how to find that post and can reference it. I would not say he approved, but rather that he was acknowledging someone was benefiting from learning meditation. I don't think that has ANYTHING to do with whether or not someone is pocketing all the money they charge, anyway. Part of the long-term agreement between the meditator and the TMO is that all TM teachers will check meditation of anyone taught by any other TM teacher. Without quality control, and a network of mutual obligations as defined by monetary exchange, who can say who learned what from whom? The TM org as the central coordinating body for keeping the teaching pure requires at least SOME money to keep its doors open. Teachers that go outsideof this may be benefiting a few in the short run, but what about the long run? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Ever feel sad or cry for no reason at all? Depression. Narrated by Kate Hudson. http://us.click.yahoo.com/CQDrNC/ubOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I saw Mike's ads in the mentioned magazine, Natural Awakenings, and wondered when the TMO hammer was going to fall. The only problem, of course, is that Mike was fully qualified to teach TM and had done so for years in south Florida until MMY decided to recertify teachers althought there was absolutely no new teachings or change in teaching procedures. I'd be amazed to see what a clear thinking judge would say about this. I'm sure he/she would see right through the TMO recertification ruse as a flopped money-making scam. I agree. Good legal test case here. With literally generations of trademark law on the side of the TMO. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Need Help? Get Help! Tools and Strategies for Healthy Drug-Free Living/a. http://us.click.yahoo.com/wI.OUB/dbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I saw Mike's ads in the mentioned magazine, Natural Awakenings, and wondered when the TMO hammer was going to fall. The only problem, of course, is that Mike was fully qualified to teach TM and had done so for years in south Florida until MMY decided to recertify teachers althought there was absolutely no new teachings or change in teaching procedures. I'd be amazed to see what a clear thinking judge would say about this. I'm sure he/she would see right through the TMO recertification ruse as a flopped money-making scam. I agree. Good legal test case here. With literally generations of trademark law on the side of the TMO. The thing is, it will never come to court because the TM movement is terrified that it would *lose* in a court case. There have been *dozens* of legal precedents of companies trying to 'recertify' its sales representatives to get more money from them without actually giveing them any new training or products to sell, and every one of them tends to lose in court, for obvious reasons. copyright law is one thing; an obvious attempt to extort money from your own employees is another. Courts and judges are human, and can see past an obvious greed-scam. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Drugs Don't Discriminate. Get help for yourself or someone you know. http://us.click.yahoo.com/0I.OUB/ZbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I saw Mike's ads in the mentioned magazine, Natural Awakenings, and wondered when the TMO hammer was going to fall. The only problem, of course, is that Mike was fully qualified to teach TM and had done so for years in south Florida until MMY decided to recertify teachers althought there was absolutely no new teachings or change in teaching procedures. I'd be amazed to see what a clear thinking judge would say about this. I'm sure he/she would see right through the TMO recertification ruse as a flopped money-making scam. I agree. Good legal test case here. With literally generations of trademark law on the side of the TMO. The thing is, it will never come to court because the TM movement is terrified that it would *lose* in a court case. There have been *dozens* of legal precedents of companies trying to 'recertify' its sales representatives to get more money from them without actually giveing them any new training or products to sell, and every one of them tends to lose in court, for obvious reasons. copyright law is one thing; an obvious attempt to extort money from your own employees is another. Courts and judges are human, and can see past an obvious greed-scam. Especially if a judge sees that the rogue teacher has been working in good faith for the organization for many years and that there truly is no difference between a recertified and a non-recertified teacher. But then again, you do have trademark law which does lean in the direction of the TMO. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Drugs Don't Discriminate. Get help for yourself or someone you know. http://us.click.yahoo.com/0I.OUB/ZbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Does he tell you he loves you when he hits you? Abuse. Narrated by Halle Berry. http://us.click.yahoo.com/hemMeA/rbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://thequietpath.org/contact.php So does the TMO see ANY of the money? No they do not. Please remember, that earlier this year, Maharishi made mention, in one of the weekly conference calls, that he knows there are TM teachers out there teaching independently and he (amazingly) gave his tacit approval. Maybe Bob B (or someone) knows how to find that post and can reference it. KH In Mike's case the TMO certainly did get their money! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Need Help? Get Help! Tools and Strategies for Healthy Drug-Free Living/a. http://us.click.yahoo.com/wI.OUB/dbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Drugs Don't Discriminate. Get help for yourself or someone you know. http://us.click.yahoo.com/0I.OUB/ZbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO threatens South Florida teacher and magazine
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I saw Mike's ads in the mentioned magazine, Natural Awakenings, and wondered when the TMO hammer was going to fall. The only problem, of course, is that Mike was fully qualified to teach TM and had done so for years in south Florida until MMY decided to recertify teachers althought there was absolutely no new teachings or change in teaching procedures. I'd be amazed to see what a clear thinking judge would say about this. I'm sure he/she would see right through the TMO recertification ruse as a flopped money-making scam. I agree. Good legal test case here. With literally generations of trademark law on the side of the TMO. The thing is, it will never come to court because the TM movement is terrified that it would *lose* in a court case. There have been *dozens* of legal precedents of companies trying to 'recertify' its sales representatives to get more money from them without actually giveing them any new training or products to sell, and every one of them tends to lose in court, for obvious reasons. copyright law is one thing; an obvious attempt to extort money from your own employees is another. Courts and judges are human, and can see past an obvious greed-scam. But TM teachers aren't salesmen in that sense. They represent a copyrighted trademark. And the TMO isn't trying to get more money from the TM teachers, but from their customers, since the FEE has been jacked up, not just the required payment from the sales side. The TMO certainly has the right to set the PRICE for the item for sale, don't you agree? And as long as the TM teacher is representing themselves as a TM teacher, they're cashing in on the advertising and reputation of the TMO, which has spent a LOT of money and time and effort to create the market for TM. No, the TMO may not have pursued people with a vengance before now, but unless the judge rules that they didn't put enough effort into protecting the trademark previously, the TMO stands to lose MILLIONS in the next few years and they WILL pursue people now. Mark my words, etc. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Drugs Don't Discriminate. Get help for yourself or someone you know. http://us.click.yahoo.com/0I.OUB/ZbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO threatens South Florida teacher and magazine
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://thequietpath.org/contact.php So does the TMO see ANY of the money? No they do not. Please remember, that earlier this year, Maharishi made mention, in one of the weekly conference calls, that he knows there are TM teachers out there teaching independently and he (amazingly) gave his tacit approval. Maybe Bob B (or someone) knows how to find that post and can reference it. KH In Mike's case the TMO certainly did get their money! So he's still sending it to the TMO and getting half back? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Drugs Don't Discriminate. Get help for yourself or someone you know. http://us.click.yahoo.com/0I.OUB/ZbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO threatens South Florida teacher and magazine
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I saw Mike's ads in the mentioned magazine, Natural Awakenings, and wondered when the TMO hammer was going to fall. The only problem, of course, is that Mike was fully qualified to teach TM and had done so for years in south Florida until MMY decided to recertify teachers althought there was absolutely no new teachings or change in teaching procedures. I'd be amazed to see what a clear thinking judge would say about this. I'm sure he/she would see right through the TMO recertification ruse as a flopped money-making scam. I agree. Good legal test case here. With literally generations of trademark law on the side of the TMO. The thing is, it will never come to court because the TM movement is terrified that it would *lose* in a court case. There have been *dozens* of legal precedents of companies trying to 'recertify' its sales representatives to get more money from them without actually giveing them any new training or products to sell, and every one of them tends to lose in court, for obvious reasons. copyright law is one thing; an obvious attempt to extort money from your own employees is another. Courts and judges are human, and can see past an obvious greed-scam. Especially if a judge sees that the rogue teacher has been working in good faith for the organization for many years and that there truly is no difference between a recertified and a non-recertified teacher. But then again, you do have trademark law which does lean in the direction of the TMO. It boils down to this (plus whatever other laws come into play because a good lawyer can find precedent for BOTH sides of any legal action): does the TMO have the right to set the pricing for the use of their trademark? Without lots of case law to say different, the TMO will obviously win this one, should the chose to pursue it. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Does he tell you he loves you when he hits you? Abuse. Narrated by Halle Berry. http://us.click.yahoo.com/hemMeA/rbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO threatens South Florida teacher and magazine
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I saw Mike's ads in the mentioned magazine, Natural Awakenings, and wondered when the TMO hammer was going to fall. The only problem, of course, is that Mike was fully qualified to teach TM and had done so for years in south Florida until MMY decided to recertify teachers althought there was absolutely no new teachings or change in teaching procedures. I'd be amazed to see what a clear thinking judge would say about this. I'm sure he/she would see right through the TMO recertification ruse as a flopped money-making scam. I agree. Good legal test case here. With literally generations of trademark law on the side of the TMO. The thing is, it will never come to court because the TM movement is terrified that it would *lose* in a court case. There have been *dozens* of legal precedents of companies trying to 'recertify' its sales representatives to get more money from them without actually giveing them any new training or products to sell, and every one of them tends to lose in court, for obvious reasons. copyright law is one thing; an obvious attempt to extort money from your own employees is another. Courts and judges are human, and can see past an obvious greed-scam. But TM teachers aren't salesmen in that sense. They represent a copyrighted trademark. And the TMO isn't trying to get more money from the TM teachers, but from their customers, since the FEE has been jacked up, not just the required payment from the sales side. The TMO certainly has the right to set the PRICE for the item for sale, don't you agree? And as long as the TM teacher is representing themselves as a TM teacher, they're cashing in on the advertising and reputation of the TMO, which has spent a LOT of money and time and effort to create the market for TM. No, the TMO may not have pursued people with a vengance before now, but unless the judge rules that they didn't put enough effort into protecting the trademark previously, the TMO stands to lose MILLIONS in the next few years and they WILL pursue people now. Mark my words, etc. Stop kidding yourself. The 'recertification' was just so that the TMO could charge existing TM teachers (that is, suckers) some extra money TO be 'recertified.' That and get them to sign up-to-date legal agreements that would be more binding. In the process they turned off most of their most ardent supporters among the TM teachers who were still teaching. It's ALL about money. And they will NOT pursue any of these things beyond the point of making vague threats. They simply cannot afford the possibility of a real court case, because too many things about the TMO's cultlike nature would come out in such a case, and there is a good chance they'd lose. The TM teachers ARE salesmen, BTW. Who do you think does the actual work of putting up posters, giving lectures, and teaching new people? It certainly isn't the movement; they're doing everything in their power to HINDER more people from starting. The administration of the TM movement couldn't sell toilet paper to a man dying of diarrhea. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Need Help? Get Help! Tools and Strategies for Healthy Drug-Free Living/a. http://us.click.yahoo.com/wI.OUB/dbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO threatens South Florida teacher and magazine
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://thequietpath.org/contact.php So does the TMO see ANY of the money? No they do not. Please remember, that earlier this year, Maharishi made mention, in one of the weekly conference calls, that he knows there are TM teachers out there teaching independently and he (amazingly) gave his tacit approval. Maybe Bob B (or someone) knows how to find that post and can reference it. KH *** http://geocities.com/bbrigante/updates.html#recerts Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Does he tell you he loves you when he hits you? Abuse. Narrated by Halle Berry. http://us.click.yahoo.com/hemMeA/rbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO threatens South Florida teacher and magazine
There is absolutely NO threat in that letter whatsoever. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- Forwarded Message From: Mike Scozzari [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 13:03:06 -0800 To: Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: TMO threatens South Florida teacher and magazine Dear Rick Could you please post this on fairfieldlife. Included is a threatening letter from MUM legal to the publisher of a popular South Florida new age magazine I use to advertise TM events. I've taught TM in South Florida for years. My reply follows. thanks, Mike Scozzari In a message dated 12/5/2005 5:03:04 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dear Sir or Madam: I represent the owner of the federally registered service mark Transcendental Meditation, Maharishi Foundation, Ltd. It has come to my attention that advertisements from unlicensed entities selling the Transcedental Meditation program are appearing in your publications including the Palm Beach and Boca Raton editions of Natural Awakenings . These ads appear with a picture of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, with the phone number 561 392 5418, 954 429 8221 and website www.bay3.com/tm . The sponsor of that ad is not certified or licensed by the mark owner or its licensees to use the mark or teach the program. Thank you for terminating the placement of ads from that source immediately. Your continued placement of such an infringing ad could be violative of the Lanham Act. Feel free to contact me if ads for that mark are presented from any other source so that I may confirm that they are licensed to use the mark. I appreciate your co-operation and should you have any questions, please do not hesitate to contact me. Very truly, Bill Goldstein William Goldstein General Counsel Maharishi University of Management Telephone 641 472 1183 Fax 641 472 1141 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** * Reply from Mike Scozzari to magazine publisher 12/7/05 Natural Awakenings Magazine Palm Beach Edition Editor and Publisher Dear Leah, Thank you for forwarding me the letter sent to you by Mr. Goldtein. The letter is an unfortunate and clumsy attempt to intimidate and embarrass you and your magazine. There is in fact no substance to the absurd allegations made by Mr. Goldtein. I am a fully trained and qualified and bona fide teacher of Transcendental Meditation and have been operating as such for the last 33 years. I have thousands of my students and clients in the South Florida area. I am well known to TM teachers in South Florida and to fellow TM teachers both Nationally and abroad. My advertisements have been placed in the Palm beach media since 1990. You may forward this letter to Mr Goldstein'. Kindly tell him that his assertions that I am in infringement of the service marks in question does not necessarily make it so. If Mr Goldstein feels that there has been some infringement, his remedy surely lies in bringing the matter before a court of law --not in complaining to you. If such an action were brought by him I along with many other TM teachers with whom I am in contact would be strenuously and vigorously contesting his allegations in a class action suit. As a self styled copyright attorney Mr. Goldstein ought to know that copyright matters are often complex and can only be decided by a court of law after carefully hearing both sides. Mr Goldstein should be told that a magazine such as yourself cannot be expected to get involved in complaints of this nature and that you have no intention of getting involved simply on the basis of his allegations. They are at best his point of view on the matter. If and when the matter has been decided by a court of law in his client's favor then and only then should he approach your magazine in the manner that he has. Until then, you can take no action on his unsubstantiated allegations. That is the end of the matter so far as your magazine is concerned. Indeed, this is the only position you can fairly take in the circumstances. Were you to take action on Mr Goldstein's allegations you would be doing a great injustice to legitimate clients like myself who have been doing business with you for a considerable period of time. I am looking forward to my advertisement being placed in your magazine and my continuing association with you. I close with Season's Greetings to you and the staff of Natural Awakenings Magazine, Sincerely , Mike Scozzari cc/legal council Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Ever feel sad or cry for no reason at all? Depression. Narrated by Kate Hudson. http://us.click.yahoo.com/CQDrNC/ubOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO threatens South Florida teacher and magazine
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is absolutely NO threat in that letter whatsoever. It will be interesting to see what happens with this magazine advertising thing. My guess is that the TMO will have shown good faith in protecting their trademark and the magazine will stop advertising for the uncertified teacher at least using the words TM and Transcendental Meditation, if they haven't already. As far as I know, the owner of a trademark can arbitrarily yank permission for someone to use that trademark any time they want.Certainly, the TMO has given plenty of warning concerning recertification, rajah craziness, etc. But that's all trivial stuff... What many seem to have missed is just how stunning this new development concerning universal student loans for qualified prospective TMers is. Regardless of what you think of TM itself, the TMO, the pricing scheme, the treatment of uncertified teachers, the rajahs, etc., there's no denying that the ability for anyone with good credit to be able to obtain a loan from Citicorp to learn TM makes TM completely mainstream. It also explains why MMY has been saying for some time now that if you build it [the peace palaces], they will come: negotiations for this student loan thing must have been going on for quite a while. The old man is crazy like a fox, as the saying goes... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Need Help? Get Help! Tools and Strategies for Healthy Drug-Free Living/a. http://us.click.yahoo.com/wI.OUB/dbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TMO threatens South Florida teacher and magazine
On Dec 7, 2005, at 3:02 PM, sparaig wrote:What many seem to have missed is just how stunning this new development concerning universal student loans for qualified prospective TMers is. Regardless of what you think of TM itself, the TMO, the pricing scheme, the treatment of uncertified teachers, the rajahs, etc., there's no denying that the ability for anyone with good credit to be able to obtain a loan from Citicorp to learn TM makes TM completely mainstream. This is just spiritual materialism at it's worst: simple McMeditation methods sold for such extreme pricing? So high that people have to take out loans for this? If in fact they are doing this on the American taxpayers dollar, I hope someone in the government catches on and puts a stop to this.TM *was* mainstream years ago, it hasn't been for years other than through going to extraordinary lengths by their global marketing apparatus to keep it in the public eye.The mainstream now is SSRS and various brands of Buddhist meditation. Vipassana courses--which are 10 day long courses--are filling up months in advance and have huge waiting lists. And they don't even advertise or send B-celebs around to market for them. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TMO threatens South Florida teacher and magazine
on 12/7/05 2:02 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is absolutely NO threat in that letter whatsoever. It will be interesting to see what happens with this magazine advertising thing. My guess is that the TMO will have shown good faith in protecting their trademark and the magazine will stop advertising for the uncertified teacher at least using the words TM and Transcendental Meditation, if they haven't already. As far as I know, the owner of a trademark can arbitrarily yank permission for someone to use that trademark any time they want.Certainly, the TMO has given plenty of warning concerning recertification, rajah craziness, etc. I believe Mike Scozarri is recertified. But the course made him realize just how bizarre and cultish the whole thing has become, so he bolted. But that's all trivial stuff... What many seem to have missed is just how stunning this new development concerning universal student loans for qualified prospective TMers is. Regardless of what you think of TM itself, the TMO, the pricing scheme, the treatment of uncertified teachers, the rajahs, etc., there's no denying that the ability for anyone with good credit to be able to obtain a loan from Citicorp to learn TM makes TM completely mainstream. It also explains why MMY has been saying for some time now that if you build it [the peace palaces], they will come: negotiations for this student loan thing must have been going on for quite a while. The old man is crazy like a fox, as the saying goes... Don't hold your breath. I predict that initiations will go up slightly but not significantly. Would you take out a 15-year loan to join a cult? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Need Help? Get Help! Tools and Strategies for Healthy Drug-Free Living/a. http://us.click.yahoo.com/wI.OUB/dbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO threatens South Florida teacher and magazine
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 7, 2005, at 3:02 PM, sparaig wrote: What many seem to have missed is just how stunning this new development concerning universal student loans for qualified prospective TMers is. Regardless of what you think of TM itself, the TMO, the pricing scheme, the treatment of uncertified teachers, the rajahs, etc., there's no denying that the ability for anyone with good credit to be able to obtain a loan from Citicorp to learn TM makes TM completely mainstream. This is just spiritual materialism at it's worst: simple McMeditation methods sold for such extreme pricing? So high that people have to take out loans for this? If in fact they are doing this on the American taxpayers dollar, I hope someone in the government catches on and puts a stop to this. HOw is a low-cost loan a burden on taxpayers? TM *was* mainstream years ago, it hasn't been for years other than through going to extraordinary lengths by their global marketing apparatus to keep it in the public eye. The mainstream now is SSRS and various brands of Buddhist meditation. Vipassana courses--which are 10 day long courses--are filling up months in advance and have huge waiting lists. And they don't even advertise or send B-celebs around to market for them. The TMO at one point was teaching 35,000 people per month inthe USA. MMY trained thousands of TM teachers over the years. If the situation were equivalent, you'd have a backlog of literally MILLIONS of people wanting to learn Vipassana all at once. And people only value what they have to pay for - the more the better. Any meditation teacher in this day and age who doesn't get that is just engaging in spiritual masterbation. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Dying to be thin? Anorexia. Narrated by Julianne Moore. http://us.click.yahoo.com/abEMxA/sbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO threatens South Florida teacher and magazine
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 12/7/05 2:02 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is absolutely NO threat in that letter whatsoever. It will be interesting to see what happens with this magazine advertising thing. My guess is that the TMO will have shown good faith in protecting their trademark and the magazine will stop advertising for the uncertified teacher at least using the words TM and Transcendental Meditation, if they haven't already. As far as I know, the owner of a trademark can arbitrarily yank permission for someone to use that trademark any time they want.Certainly, the TMO has given plenty of warning concerning recertification, rajah craziness, etc. I believe Mike Scozarri is recertified. But the course made him realize just how bizarre and cultish the whole thing has become, so he bolted. DId he sign any new paperwork? If he did, like as not, he has NO legal leg to stand on. If you agree to play the game their way and then decide you don't like their way, you can always go start your own game, but you CANNOT claim that you're playing the game their way while condemning them for playing the game their way. He who owns the trademark gets to make the rules, so unless his lawyers can show some illegal actions on the TMO's part, he can't do a thing. Even if he DOES show illegal actions, all he can ask for is monetary compensation. He STILL can't use the trademark without the owner's permission, no matter how strange the owners get. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Dying to be thin? Anorexia. Narrated by Julianne Moore. http://us.click.yahoo.com/abEMxA/sbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO threatens South Florida teacher and magazine
FWIW a dear friend has been teaching TM out of synch with the TM org for about a decade now. Early on the same TM legal dept. sent him many very scary *cease and desist* letters which, though they scared my friend, did not stop him. Nothing came of it and he has been quietly and steadily teaching TM all this time, probably averages ten intiations or so per month (charges $495). --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 12/7/05 2:02 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is absolutely NO threat in that letter whatsoever. It will be interesting to see what happens with this magazine advertising thing. My guess is that the TMO will have shown good faith in protecting their trademark and the magazine will stop advertising for the uncertified teacher at least using the words TM and Transcendental Meditation, if they haven't already. As far as I know, the owner of a trademark can arbitrarily yank permission for someone to use that trademark any time they want.Certainly, the TMO has given plenty of warning concerning recertification, rajah craziness, etc. I believe Mike Scozarri is recertified. But the course made him realize just how bizarre and cultish the whole thing has become, so he bolted. DId he sign any new paperwork? If he did, like as not, he has NO legal leg to stand on. If you agree to play the game their way and then decide you don't like their way, you can always go start your own game, but you CANNOT claim that you're playing the game their way while condemning them for playing the game their way. He who owns the trademark gets to make the rules, so unless his lawyers can show some illegal actions on the TMO's part, he can't do a thing. Even if he DOES show illegal actions, all he can ask for is monetary compensation. He STILL can't use the trademark without the owner's permission, no matter how strange the owners get. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Need Help? Get Help! Tools and Strategies for Healthy Drug-Free Living/a. http://us.click.yahoo.com/wI.OUB/dbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TMO threatens South Florida teacher and magazine
In a message dated 12/7/05 4:37:10 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: FWIW a dear friend has been teaching TM out of synch with the TM orgfor about a decade now. Early on the same TM legal dept. sent him manyvery scary *cease and desist* letters which, though they scared myfriend, did not stop him. Nothing came of it and he has been quietlyand steadily teaching TM all this time, probably averages tenintiations or so per month (charges $495). H! and I bet he doesn't pay income tax on it either! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TMO threatens South Florida teacher and magazine
on 12/7/05 4:10 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I believe Mike Scozarri is recertified. But the course made him realize just how bizarre and cultish the whole thing has become, so he bolted. DId he sign any new paperwork? If he did, like as not, he has NO legal leg to stand on. If you agree to play the game their way and then decide you don't like their way, you can always go start your own game, but you CANNOT claim that you're playing the game their way while condemning them for playing the game their way. I was mistaken. Mike was not recertified. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Dying to be thin? Anorexia. Narrated by Julianne Moore. http://us.click.yahoo.com/AQDrNC/sbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO threatens South Florida teacher and magazine
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FWIW a dear friend has been teaching TM out of synch with the TM org for about a decade now. Early on the same TM legal dept. sent him many very scary *cease and desist* letters which, though they scared my friend, did not stop him. Nothing came of it and he has been quietly and steadily teaching TM all this time, probably averages ten intiations or so per month (charges $495). ** http://thequietpath.org/contact.php Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Need Help? Get Help! Tools and Strategies for Healthy Drug-Free Living/a. http://us.click.yahoo.com/wI.OUB/dbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO threatens South Florida teacher and magazine
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I saw Mike's ads in the mentioned magazine, Natural Awakenings, and wondered when the TMO hammer was going to fall. The only problem, of course, is that Mike was fully qualified to teach TM and had done so for years in south Florida until MMY decided to recertify teachers althought there was absolutely no new teachings or change in teaching procedures. I'd be amazed to see what a clear thinking judge would say about this. I'm sure he/she would see right through the TMO recertification ruse as a flopped money-making scam. Going after the publisher of the magazine, whom I know and have had business dealings with, is reprehensible. But when did ethical behavior have anything to do with the TMO? Very sad, isn't it? Owners of trademarks can revoke the permission to use the trademarks. They may have to pay compensation for the revocation, but that's another issue entirely. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Does he tell you he loves you when he hits you? Abuse. Narrated by Halle Berry. http://us.click.yahoo.com/HcoraC/rbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO threatens South Florida teacher and magazine
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FWIW a dear friend has been teaching TM out of synch with the TM org for about a decade now. Early on the same TM legal dept. sent him many very scary *cease and desist* letters which, though they scared my friend, did not stop him. Nothing came of it and he has been quietly and steadily teaching TM all this time, probably averages ten intiations or so per month (charges $495). Does he advertise in magazines? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Dying to be thin? Anorexia. Narrated by Julianne Moore. http://us.click.yahoo.com/abEMxA/sbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO threatens South Florida teacher and magazine
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 12/7/05 4:37:10 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: FWIW a dear friend has been teaching TM out of synch with the TM org for about a decade now. Early on the same TM legal dept. sent him many very scary *cease and desist* letters which, though they scared my friend, did not stop him. Nothing came of it and he has been quietly and steadily teaching TM all this time, probably averages ten intiations or so per month (charges $495). H! and I bet he doesn't pay income tax on it either! does he send any money tothe national organization, I wonder? If he's continuing to work under an old contract, he may have some justification. The guy advertising inthe magazine apparently went through the recert process, which I would THINK involved signing all- new, all-improved sign-your-firstborn-away contracts. Regardless, if he's not advertising it as TM in paid-for advertising, he's probably more safe than the recerted guy who is. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Need Help? Get Help! Tools and Strategies for Healthy Drug-Free Living/a. http://us.click.yahoo.com/wI.OUB/dbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO threatens South Florida teacher and magazine
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 12/7/05 4:10 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I believe Mike Scozarri is recertified. But the course made him realize just how bizarre and cultish the whole thing has become, so he bolted. DId he sign any new paperwork? If he did, like as not, he has NO legal leg to stand on. If you agree to play the game their way and then decide you don't like their way, you can always go start your own game, but you CANNOT claim that you're playing the game their way while condemning them for playing the game their way. I was mistaken. Mike was not recertified. Then it will go back to any prior contracts, and who actually owns the trademark. My guess is that he won't be able to advertise atthe least, and the TMO may have to buy him out, but if the court actually orders him to accept payment for his loss of use of the trademark, he's SHOL. And, unless the TMO loses ownership of the trademark, I can't imagine any judge ruling that the owner of the trademark can't control who uses it in a commercial setting. Note that I'm not a lawyer, but this is the most obvious common sense way for these things to be dealt with so unless the law gets REALLY convoluted, I suspect that that is what will happen. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Drugs Don't Discriminate. Get help for yourself or someone you know. http://us.click.yahoo.com/0I.OUB/ZbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO threatens South Florida teacher and magazine
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FWIW a dear friend has been teaching TM out of synch with the TM org for about a decade now. Early on the same TM legal dept. sent him many very scary *cease and desist* letters which, though they scared my friend, did not stop him. Nothing came of it and he has been quietly and steadily teaching TM all this time, probably averages ten intiations or so per month (charges $495). ** http://thequietpath.org/contact.php So does the TMO see ANY of the money? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Does he tell you he loves you when he hits you? Abuse. Narrated by Halle Berry. http://us.click.yahoo.com/HcoraC/rbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
