[FairfieldLife] Re: The Mahesh Kozlowski Effect, was Lynch - Now Crime, Abortion the DC study

2005-11-12 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Nov 11, 2005, at 11:25 PM, authfriend wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  On Nov 11, 2005, at 10:20 PM, sparaig wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  wrote:
snip
  LB, your last post in this thread was truncated, so I
  couldn't include it, but I wanted to compliment you on
  your observations. As you note, science is, at its
  best, an international, public discourse. I can
  understand MIU's reluctance to hand over the raw data
  for reasons that have nothing to do with this
  discourse. All movement research is for one purpose
  only: to promote the teaching of TM/TM-Siddhis. It's
  for PR only. Those in charge, MMY, aren't interested
  in developing a coherent theory of the field effects
  of consciousness. They just want to sell TM. The MIU
  researchers won't hand over the raw data because the
  ME is very weak, almost noise, not pattern. It can
  easily be shown not to exist using alternative, and
  more traditional, statistical methods used in this
  type of research.
 
  You may be correct, but your evidence of this is...?
 
  Wake Up and smell the Raja's Cup. It's been in front of us all 
  the time.
 
  How could we miss it?
 
  And if Vaj says there's been evidence in front of
  us all the time, by golly, it must be true.
 
  Say, Vaj, when are you going to get around to giving
  us the URLs of all those Web sites you said there were
  that link Do nothing and accomplish everything to
  get-rich-quick schemes?
 
 Right after you deposit the 175 dollars an hour research fee into
 my PayPay account. A two hour retainer should be sufficient.

Well, no, you had already *done* the research,
obviously.  Otherwise you would have had no basis
for making that claim.

So tell us--just give us a few examples--of the Web
sites you were referring to.  No need to do any
additional research.

 Really, anyone who spent time in the movement and had NOT come 
 across people trying to hatch get-rich-quick schemes, just hasn't 
 been around.

That may be, but it's not the issue here, you see.

The issue is all those Web sites you claimed linked
MMY's Do nothing and accomplish everything to get-
rich-quick schemes.

So let's see a few examples of the sites you had in
mind, please.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Mahesh Kozlowski Effect, was Lynch - Now Crime, Abortion the DC study

2005-11-12 Thread uns_tressor
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
 On Nov 11, 2005, at 11:25 PM, authfriend wrote: 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  On Nov 11, 2005, at 10:20 PM, sparaig wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  wrote:
  --- L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  LB, your last post in this thread was truncated, so I
  couldn't include it, but I wanted to compliment you on
  your observations. As you note, science is, at its
  best, an international, public discourse. I can
  understand MIU's reluctance to hand over the raw data
  for reasons that have nothing to do with this
  discourse. All movement research is for one purpose
  only: to promote the teaching of TM/TM-Siddhis. It's
  for PR only. Those in charge, MMY, aren't interested
  in developing a coherent theory of the field effects
  of consciousness. They just want to sell TM. The MIU
  researchers won't hand over the raw data because the
  ME is very weak, almost noise, not pattern. It can
  easily be shown not to exist using alternative, and
  more traditional, statistical methods used in this
  type of research.
 
 
  You may be correct, but your evidence of this is...?
 
  Wake Up and smell the Raja's Cup. It's been in front of us all 
the
  time.
 
  How could we miss it?
 
  And if Vaj says there's been evidence in front of
  us all the time, by golly, it must be true.
 
  Say, Vaj, when are you going to get around to giving
  us the URLs of all those Web sites you said there were
  that link Do nothing and accomplish everything to
  get-rich-quick schemes?

 I can't tell you how many schemes and dreams I saw Gary Osterlund 
 and  Jack Normand try to hatch


...No, you can't. You're a bullshitter, Vaj.
Put up or shut up.
Uns.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Mahesh Kozlowski Effect, was Lynch - Now Crime, Abortion the DC study

2005-11-12 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, uns_tressor 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
  On Nov 11, 2005, at 11:25 PM, authfriend wrote: 
snip
   Say, Vaj, when are you going to get around to giving
   us the URLs of all those Web sites you said there were
   that link Do nothing and accomplish everything to
   get-rich-quick schemes?
 
  I can't tell you how many schemes and dreams I saw Gary Osterlund 
  and  Jack Normand try to hatch
 
 ...No, you can't. You're a bullshitter, Vaj.

What, our Vaj, a bullshitter?  Say not so!

That would mean he's a gulp hypocrite.  How is
that possible?  I mean, he just got done telling
us the Maharishi Effect doesn't exist and that the
TM researchers are scam artists.

 Put up or shut up.

Or as Vaj would say, Wake up and smell the Raja's Cup.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Mahesh Kozlowski Effect, was Lynch - Now Crime, Abortion the DC study

2005-11-12 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, uns_tressor 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote: 
   On Nov 11, 2005, at 11:25 PM, authfriend wrote: 
 snip
Say, Vaj, when are you going to get around to giving
us the URLs of all those Web sites you said there were
that link Do nothing and accomplish everything to
get-rich-quick schemes?
  
   I can't tell you how many schemes and dreams I saw Gary
   Osterlund and  Jack Normand try to hatch
  
  ...No, you can't. You're a bullshitter, Vaj.
 
 What, our Vaj, a bullshitter?  Say not so!
 
 That would mean he's a gulp hypocrite.  How is
 that possible?  I mean, he just got done telling
 us the Maharishi Effect doesn't exist and that the
 TM researchers are scam artists.

Come to think of it, perhaps it takes one to know one...






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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Mahesh Kozlowski Effect, was Lynch - Now Crime, Abortion the DC study

2005-11-12 Thread uns_tressor
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, uns_tressor 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
   On Nov 11, 2005, at 11:25 PM, authfriend wrote: 
 snip
Say, Vaj, when are you going to get around to giving
us the URLs of all those Web sites you said there were
that link Do nothing and accomplish everything to
get-rich-quick schemes?
  
   I can't tell you how many schemes and dreams I saw Gary Osterlund 
   and  Jack Normand try to hatch
  
  ...No, you can't. You're a bullshitter, Vaj.
 
 What, our Vaj, a bullshitter?  Say not so!
 
 That would mean he's a gulp hypocrite.  How is
 that possible?  I mean, he just got done telling
 us the Maharishi Effect doesn't exist and that the
 TM researchers are scam artists.
 
  Put up or shut up.
 
 Or as Vaj would say, Wake up and smell the Raja's Cup.

I think Vaj is in trouble with his Sales Manager because 
his sales figures for October are down. If he doesn't
get 50% more conversions to his sect in November, then
he will lose his Christmas Bonus and his 14 day 
vacation in Florida.
Uns.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Mahesh Kozlowski Effect, was Lynch - Now Crime, Abortion the DC study

2005-11-12 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 On Nov 12, 2005, at 10:55 AM, Rick Archer wrote:
snip
  Were those Fairfield guys, doing that in Fairfield?
 
 No, Pennsylvania. Although one of the get rich quick seminars 
 they attended was originally in Fairfield (in the 80's). Promised to 
 make you a millionaire for about 15,000 dollars.

What about all the Web sites you claimed linked MMY's
Do nothing, accomplish everything to get-rich-quick
schemes, Vaj?






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Mahesh Kozlowski Effect, was Lynch - Now Crime, Abortion the DC study

2005-11-12 Thread Vaj

On Nov 12, 2005, at 1:03 PM, authfriend wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 On Nov 12, 2005, at 10:55 AM, Rick Archer wrote:
 snip
 Were those Fairfield guys, doing that in Fairfield?

 No, Pennsylvania. Although one of the get rich quick seminars
 they attended was originally in Fairfield (in the 80's). Promised to
 make you a millionaire for about 15,000 dollars.

 What about all the Web sites you claimed linked MMY's
 Do nothing, accomplish everything to get-rich-quick
 schemes, Vaj?

Like someone once opined here 'there will always be some people who  
will believe everything M. teaches until they see pictures of him  
loading dead babies with a pitchfork from a truck'. And I'd bet that  
a lot of them would believe it was actually a new knowledge being  
brought out on 'Maharishi Vedic Abortion' or something. There will  
always be these people. So tell me, why should I waste my time on  
you? Honestly, given your posts over many years, I wouldn't be  
surprised if I found you on my doorstep one day, Science of Being in  
hand and a cart of research tomes and charts in tow, ready to convert  
me a la the Jehovah's Witnesses.

I hardly am interested in wasting my time on something which--no  
matter how compelling--you wouldn't believe anyways. Really, I have  
better things to do.

I'm sure you can do a web search Judith. If not, there are courses  
taught at many community colleges.



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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Mahesh Kozlowski Effect, was Lynch - Now Crime, Abortion the DC study

2005-11-12 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 On Nov 12, 2005, at 1:03 PM, authfriend wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
  On Nov 12, 2005, at 10:55 AM, Rick Archer wrote:
  snip
  Were those Fairfield guys, doing that in Fairfield?
 
  No, Pennsylvania. Although one of the get rich quick seminars
  they attended was originally in Fairfield (in the 80's). 
Promised to
  make you a millionaire for about 15,000 dollars.
 
  What about all the Web sites you claimed linked MMY's
  Do nothing, accomplish everything to get-rich-quick
  schemes, Vaj?
 
 Like someone once opined here 'there will always be some people
 who will believe everything M. teaches until they see pictures of 
 him loading dead babies with a pitchfork from a truck'. And I'd bet 
 that a lot of them would believe it was actually a new knowledge 
 being brought out on 'Maharishi Vedic Abortion' or something. There 
 will always be these people. So tell me, why should I waste my time 
 on you? Honestly, given your posts over many years, I wouldn't be  
 surprised if I found you on my doorstep one day, Science of Being 
 in hand and a cart of research tomes and charts in tow, ready to 
 convert me a la the Jehovah's Witnesses.

Idiotic, and a complete non sequitur to boot.

 I hardly am interested in wasting my time on something which--no  
 matter how compelling--you wouldn't believe anyways. Really, I 
 have better things to do.

I'm asking you to back up a claim you made.

Do you really think if you supplied a couple of
URLs to Web sites that actually did link MMY's
Do nothing and accomplish everything to get-
rich-quick schemes, as you had claimed, that I'd
refuse to believe they existed?

That's pretty silly, Vaj.

But even so, there must be others here whom
you would consider reasonable who are now 
wondering why you refuse to do such a simple
thing as supply some URLs that you claim
already to have found.

 I'm sure you can do a web search Judith. If not, there are courses  
 taught at many community colleges.

Yes, as you know, I did a search already and was
unable to locate any such sites.  That's why I'm
asking you to produce the URLs to the ones you
already claim to have found.

It's a simple request, Vaj.  You've spent more
time and effort explaining why you don't want 
to do it than it would have taken you to do in
the first place.

Now, why would that be?






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Mahesh Kozlowski Effect, was Lynch - Now Crime, Abortion the DC study

2005-11-12 Thread Sal Sunshine
Alright, Judy, I did the search.  (That'll be $175, Vaj.  Just send it to my PO box. :)  And came up with exactly one.

Sal


On Nov 12, 2005, at 3:49 PM, authfriend wrote:

 I'm asking you to back up a claim you made.

 Do you really think if you supplied a couple of
 URLs to Web sites that actually did link MMY's
 Do nothing and accomplish everything to get-
 rich-quick schemes, as you had claimed, that I'd
 refuse to believe they existed?

 That's pretty silly, Vaj.

 But even so, there must be others here whom
 you would consider reasonable who are now 
 wondering why you refuse to do such a simple
 thing as supply some URLs that you claim
 already to have found.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Mahesh Kozlowski Effect, was Lynch - Now Crime, Abortion the DC study

2005-11-12 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 Alright, Judy, I did the search.  (That'll be $175, Vaj.  Just send
 it to my PO box. :)  And came up with exactly one.

And it was...?



 
 Sal
 
 
 On Nov 12, 2005, at 3:49 PM, authfriend wrote:
 
   I'm asking you to back up a claim you made.
 
   Do you really think if you supplied a couple of
   URLs to Web sites that actually did link MMY's
   Do nothing and accomplish everything to get-
   rich-quick schemes, as you had claimed, that I'd
   refuse to believe they existed?
 
   That's pretty silly, Vaj.
 
   But even so, there must be others here whom
   you would consider reasonable who are now
   wondering why you refuse to do such a simple
   thing as supply some URLs that you claim
   already to have found.







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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Mahesh Kozlowski Effect, was Lynch - Now Crime, Abortion the DC study

2005-11-12 Thread Sal Sunshine
http://ca-foreignbooks.books-online-store.net/case/foreignbooks/business-and-investing/general/1883669_7.html


On Nov 12, 2005, at 4:25 PM, authfriend wrote:

-- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
 wrote:
 >
 > Alright, Judy, I did the search.  (That'll be $175, Vaj.  Just send
 > it to my PO box. :)  And came up with exactly one.

 And it was...?



[FairfieldLife] Re: The Mahesh Kozlowski Effect, was Lynch - Now Crime, Abortion the DC study

2005-11-12 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 On Nov 11, 2005, at 11:25 PM, authfriend wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
  On Nov 11, 2005, at 10:20 PM, sparaig wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  wrote:
 
 
 
  --- L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  LB, your last post in this thread was truncated, so I
  couldn't include it, but I wanted to compliment you on
  your observations. As you note, science is, at its
  best, an international, public discourse. I can
  understand MIU's reluctance to hand over the raw data
  for reasons that have nothing to do with this
  discourse. All movement research is for one purpose
  only: to promote the teaching of TM/TM-Siddhis. It's
  for PR only. Those in charge, MMY, aren't interested
  in developing a coherent theory of the field effects
  of consciousness. They just want to sell TM. The MIU
  researchers won't hand over the raw data because the
  ME is very weak, almost noise, not pattern. It can
  easily be shown not to exist using alternative, and
  more traditional, statistical methods used in this
  type of research.
 
 
  You may be correct, but your evidence of this is...?
 
  Wake Up and smell the Raja's Cup. It's been in front of us all 
the
  time.
 
  How could we miss it?
 
  And if Vaj says there's been evidence in front of
  us all the time, by golly, it must be true.
 
  Say, Vaj, when are you going to get around to giving
  us the URLs of all those Web sites you said there were
  that link Do nothing and accomplish everything to
  get-rich-quick schemes?
 
 Right after you deposit the 175 dollars an hour research fee into 
my  
 PayPay account. A two hour retainer should be sufficient.
 
 Really, anyone who spent time in the movement and had NOT come 
across  
 people trying to hatch get-rich-quick schemes, just hasn't been 
around.
 
 I can't tell you how many schemes and dreams I saw Gary Osterlund 
and  
 Jack Normand try to hatch. Jack even started a course on it and 
got  
 us to attend his seminar. He thought he was enlightened at the time.
 
 And they were convinced that enlightenment and wealth went hand in 
hand.


If you're a householder, why wouldn't it be that way? ENlightenment 
should mean (in my understanding) that your dharma is in harmony with 
your lifestyle, and for a householder, comfort, wealth (to some 
extent), and other signs of relative success should be obvious.

THat doesn't mean that the wealthy should be enlightened, but that 
someone who is enlightened within the householder tradition should 
be well off at least...







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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Mahesh Kozlowski Effect, was Lynch - Now Crime, Abortion the DC study

2005-11-12 Thread Sal Sunshine
Actually The one I just sent in was Do less and accomplish more + get rich quick  But then I remembered you were talking about Do nothing and accomplish everything + get rich quick (I thought it didn't look right the second time.) So here's that one--it's the original one I found:

http://www.attracting-prosperity.com/powerful-sleep.html


On Nov 12, 2005, at 4:25 PM, authfriend wrote:

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
 wrote:
 >
 > Alright, Judy, I did the search.  (That'll be $175, Vaj.  Just send
 > it to my PO box. :)  And came up with exactly one.

 And it was...?


[FairfieldLife] Re: The Mahesh Kozlowski Effect, was Lynch - Now Crime, Abortion the DC study

2005-11-12 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 http://ca-foreignbooks.books-online-store.net/case/foreignbooks/ 
 business-and-investing/general/1883669_7.html

Sal, this is a page of books from Amazon in Canada
on business and investing; it's not about a get-rich-
quick scheme.

And I was unable to find any mention of Do nothing and
accomplish everything anywhere on the page.

Can you say why you thought this had something to do
with Vaj's claim that Do nothing and accomplish
everything was linked on the Web to get-rich-quick
schemes?

 
 
 On Nov 12, 2005, at 4:25 PM, authfriend wrote:
 
  -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
   wrote:
   
Alright, Judy, I did the search.  (That'll be $175, Vaj.  Just 
send
it to my PO box. :)  And came up with exactly one.
 
   And it was...?







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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Mahesh Kozlowski Effect, was Lynch - Now Crime, Abortion the DC study

2005-11-12 Thread Sal Sunshine
On Nov 12, 2005, at 6:26 PM, authfriend wrote:

 Sal, this is a page of books from Amazon in Canada
 on business and investing; it's not about a get-rich-
 quick scheme.

Oh.  Well, at least I get an A for effort, if nothing else.
 And I was unable to find any mention of Do nothing and
 accomplish everything anywhere on the page.

 Can you say why you thought this had something to do
 with Vaj's claim that Do nothing and accomplish
 everything was linked on the Web to get-rich-quick
 schemes?

See my next message.


[FairfieldLife] Re: The Mahesh Kozlowski Effect, was Lynch - Now Crime, Abortion the DC study

2005-11-12 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 Actually The one I just sent in was Do less and accomplish more + 
 get rich quick

Gee, Sal, even with Do less... this doesn't
qualify; it's not a get-rich-quick scheme at
all but a $27.95 (Canadian) book on time
management.

  But then I remembered you were talking about Do 
 nothing and accomplish everything + get rich quick (I thought it 
 didn't look right the second time.) So here's that one--it's the 
 original one I found:
 
 http://www.attracting-prosperity.com/powerful-sleep.html

This is the book by TM teacher Fred Gratzon I
described when I first checked out Vaj's claim
on the Web.  Sorry, but it isn't a get-rich-quick
scheme either.

Here's one testimonial that describes it:

-
Having read the Lazy Way to Success, I feel my definition of achiving 
success has changed quite dramatically. I feel that book has made me 
think differently about my approach to work. Today, I think that to 
have fun at work, to be passionate about what I do, and to carefully 
think before I do, is more important than having my nose to the 
grindstone.

I would recommend this book to anyone who wishes to achieve success 
in life and despite the title of this book, is willing to work at it, 
of course in the right way. The book emphasises approach over sheer 
hard work. The book makes one think about one's priorities in life. 
The book has transformed my daily routine – in fact I no longer go to 
work – for the sake of work. I go to the office to bring value to the 
lives of my co-workers, to help them find their true calling in life. 
The book is a noble journey – a pilgrimage to success.
--

The book appears to be more about *fulfillment*
than monetary success per se, and it certainly
isn't a get-rich-quick scheme of the type Vaj
has been talking about.

So he must have had some other Web sites in mind.

Or not, as the case may be.







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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Mahesh Kozlowski Effect, was Lynch - Now Crime, Abortion the DC study

2005-11-12 Thread Sal Sunshine
ROFL.  Well, I guess if anyone should know about doing nothing and getting rich, it's him.  How he's able to live the way he does after having run so many businesses into the ground is a mystery for sure.

Sal


On Nov 12, 2005, at 6:47 PM, authfriend wrote:

 This is the book by TM teacher Fred Gratzon I
 described when I first checked out Vaj's claim
 on the Web.  Sorry, but it isn't a get-rich-quick
 scheme either.


[FairfieldLife] Re: The Mahesh Kozlowski Effect, was Lynch - Now Crime, Abortion the DC study

2005-11-12 Thread akasha_108
authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 why you refuse to do such a simple
 thing as supply some URLs that you claim
 already to have found.
 

And this is important, or even interesting, because ?





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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Mahesh Kozlowski Effect, was Lynch - Now Crime, Abortion the DC study

2005-11-12 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  why you refuse to do such a simple
  thing as supply some URLs that you claim
  already to have found.
 
 And this is important, or even interesting, because ?

Oh, if blatant dishonesty and hypocrisy are of
no concern to you, I guess it wouldn't be.






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