[FairfieldLife] Re: Untimely Deaths Man in the fire
The karma is unfathomable. It is no doubt a burden they must carry with them. Such a leela. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bmorry2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I remember attending Steven Hauring's funeral---all of his Sterling buddies were crying and mourning. Too bad not one of them was paying enough attention to save his life when he first got sick in the sweat lodge His wife should have sued them for negligence as well as being jerks and assholes! (Sterling men often proudly refer to themselves as jerks and assholes.) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- hanumanhoffman9 wrote: In a previous post it was mentioned about a from Ritam Corp. who fell into a fire. That man was Steven Hauring. One of the sweetest men ever. This was at the Cedar Creek Lodge, a number of men who had enjoyed the Sterling Men's weekend were participating in a sweat lodge. The peer pressure to not quit was intense. I was thinking of participating in a sweat lodge put on by a Wampanoag Indian acquaintance who holds them in prisons and in Europe as a calling. But when a friend told me participants stay in the lodge for an hour, I remembered Steven and said no thanks. Dr. Bieler (of Bieler's Broth fame) said it only takes five minutes of profuse sweating to flush whatever toxins can be flushed in that manner. Any more sweating merely contributes to dehydration. And what does one breathe after 20 minutes in a sweat lodge? Surely the oxygen is gone. Steven's widow told an interesting story I still recall hearing second hand. Steven apparently had an affinity for owls. I guess you'd say they were his totem animal. Upon leaving the hospital, his wife encountered an owl standing by the walkway. This was in broad daylight on the campus of the busy University of Iowa Hospitals and Clinics. Yet the owl just stood there, impassively, looking at her, like an omen. Like a goodbye. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Untimely Deaths
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the info Ken. Always like Sam. He had a good heart. On my TTC he got up and told a funny story-although that was not his intent-about transcending for about 4 hours one day. Though morbid obesity was the underlying reason for his death, the acute problem was some sort of strange blood poisoning that he apparently did treat properly. One of those sensationist celebrity TV shows actually reported on it, implying some kind of possible family feud within the Tabasco empire. Sam singlehandledly balanced out any moodmaking within our vedic atom. He would alternate between 40 day juice fasts with coffee enemas, in which he would lose lots of weight, and then overeat for a few months. I think his system just got out of whack eventually. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Untimely Deaths
--- markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the info Ken. Always like Sam. He had a good heart. On my TTC he got up and told a funny story-although that was not his intent-about transcending for about 4 hours one day. Though morbid obesity was the underlying reason for his death, the acute problem was some sort of strange blood poisoning that he apparently did treat properly. One of those sensationist celebrity TV shows actually reported on it, implying some kind of possible family feud within the Tabasco empire. Sam singlehandledly balanced out any moodmaking within our vedic atom. He would alternate between 40 day juice fasts with coffee enemas, in which he would lose lots of weight, and then overeat for a few months. I think his system just got out of whack eventually. His brother, Paul, who's now the president of Tobasco Company looks just like Sam. Probably a fat gene runs in the family tree. You need some help to get up to 650lbs! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Untimely Deaths Man in the fire
In a previous post it was mentioned about a from Ritam Corp. who fell into a fire. That man was Steven Hauring. One of the sweetest men ever. This was at the Cedar Creek Lodge, a number of men who had enjoyed the Sterling Men's weekend were participating in a sweat lodge. The peer pressure to not quit was intense. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Untimely Deaths Man in the fire
--- hanumanhoffman9 wrote: In a previous post it was mentioned about a from Ritam Corp. who fell into a fire. That man was Steven Hauring. One of the sweetest men ever. This was at the Cedar Creek Lodge, a number of men who had enjoyed the Sterling Men's weekend were participating in a sweat lodge. The peer pressure to not quit was intense. I was thinking of participating in a sweat lodge put on by a Wampanoag Indian acquaintance who holds them in prisons and in Europe as a calling. But when a friend told me participants stay in the lodge for an hour, I remembered Steven and said no thanks. Dr. Bieler (of Bieler's Broth fame) said it only takes five minutes of profuse sweating to flush whatever toxins can be flushed in that manner. Any more sweating merely contributes to dehydration. And what does one breathe after 20 minutes in a sweat lodge? Surely the oxygen is gone. Steven's widow told an interesting story I still recall hearing second hand. Steven apparently had an affinity for owls. I guess you'd say they were his totem animal. Upon leaving the hospital, his wife encountered an owl standing by the walkway. This was in broad daylight on the campus of the busy University of Iowa Hospitals and Clinics. Yet the owl just stood there, impassively, looking at her, like an omen. Like a goodbye. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Untimely Deaths Man in the fire
I remember attending Steven Hauring's funeral---all of his Sterling buddies were crying and mourning. Too bad not one of them was paying enough attention to save his life when he first got sick in the sweat lodge His wife should have sued them for negligence as well as being jerks and assholes! (Sterling men often proudly refer to themselves as jerks and assholes.) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- hanumanhoffman9 wrote: In a previous post it was mentioned about a from Ritam Corp. who fell into a fire. That man was Steven Hauring. One of the sweetest men ever. This was at the Cedar Creek Lodge, a number of men who had enjoyed the Sterling Men's weekend were participating in a sweat lodge. The peer pressure to not quit was intense. I was thinking of participating in a sweat lodge put on by a Wampanoag Indian acquaintance who holds them in prisons and in Europe as a calling. But when a friend told me participants stay in the lodge for an hour, I remembered Steven and said no thanks. Dr. Bieler (of Bieler's Broth fame) said it only takes five minutes of profuse sweating to flush whatever toxins can be flushed in that manner. Any more sweating merely contributes to dehydration. And what does one breathe after 20 minutes in a sweat lodge? Surely the oxygen is gone. Steven's widow told an interesting story I still recall hearing second hand. Steven apparently had an affinity for owls. I guess you'd say they were his totem animal. Upon leaving the hospital, his wife encountered an owl standing by the walkway. This was in broad daylight on the campus of the busy University of Iowa Hospitals and Clinics. Yet the owl just stood there, impassively, looking at her, like an omen. Like a goodbye. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Untimely Deaths
one more to add to your list of gone to the light mother divine: Dr. Ana Alvarez, Raja Jose Luis's sister. They are very much missed by their friends and family. They all are beautiful souls. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, andrasayer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nat is very much alive. Some to add to the untimely list: Denise Robatai Julia Fritz Sharon Welsh Tobi Finebloom Sabine (German lady) all were on Mother Divine. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Untimely Deaths
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A few more come to mind Andy Kaufman -- mouth cancer ? Karen Blassdale -- brain tumor Jane Prouty -- asfixiation (co heater) Steve Shimmer -- ? was recently posted Kent Ketterhoffen (sp) was posted a bit back Ken Ketterhagen I remember a story of someone dying outside domes of heart attack, the day after he saw top vaida guy Sounds like John Thill. Also Ed Goldfinger, who about two hours before his heart attack attended a lecture at the Raj presided over by Chris Clark, whose first pronouncment was, My, this looks like a healthy group. Seems like there are more that I have heard of but escape me at the moment. Sam Mcilhenny, who was somewhere in his late forties Sal Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Untimely Deaths
Also, not to beat a tired horse ( I know this topic has sort of died out, no pun intended) but does anyone remember a lady named Dawn Golden? I think she died of cancer and was only in her late 20s or early 30s. This was quite a while ago, sometime in the 80s. Also, someone named Randy, in his 40s I think, who was killed while doing constrcution on the MUM campus. Sal Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Untimely Deaths
Dawn was a student with me at MIU in the mid 70's. She died very early on while in her late 20's. Like 26 or 27. Everybody was shocked...we wern't supposed to die of such ignorant things like cancer!. What a bunch of dopes we were. --- sallysunshine01 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Also, not to beat a tired horse ( I know this topic has sort of died out, no pun intended) but does anyone remember a lady named Dawn Golden? I think she died of cancer and was only in her late 20s or early 30s. This was quite a while ago, sometime in the 80s. Also, someone named Randy, in his 40s I think, who was killed while doing constrcution on the MUM campus. Sal Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Untimely Deaths
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sallysunshine01 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A few more come to mind Andy Kaufman -- mouth cancer ? Andy died of lung cancer and he was a non-smoker. Steve Shimmer -- ? was recently posted Steve was being treated for Hodgkins Lymphoma which, apparently was under control. He died of the side effects of one of the meds he was taking which had listed, sudden heart failure as a possible side effect. Sam Mcilhenny, who was somewhere in his late forties Dear friend Sam died of morbid obesity. He weighed 650 pounds. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Untimely Deaths
Diana (Munson) Schultz, Billy Shultz's wife was recently diagnosed with inoperable liver cancer. Untreatable according to her Western doctors. Dean Draznin here in Fairfield ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) is coordinating the collection of donations to help fund her pursuit of alternative treatments. Billy and Diana are currently living in Hawaii. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Untimely Deaths
--- anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sallysunshine01 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A few more come to mind Andy Kaufman -- mouth cancer ? Andy died of lung cancer and he was a non-smoker. Steve Shimmer -- ? was recently posted Steve was being treated for Hodgkins Lymphoma which, apparently was under control. He died of the side effects of one of the meds he was taking which had listed, sudden heart failure as a possible side effect. Sam Mcilhenny, who was somewhere in his late forties Dear friend Sam died of morbid obesity. He weighed 650 pounds. Sam was up to 650lbs? Yikes! I was thinking of Sam yesterday when I put some tabasco sauce on my home fries. Same was on my TTC. What year did he pass away? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Untimely Deaths
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear friend Sam died of morbid obesity. He weighed 650 pounds. I know the concept of spreading the wealth among the world's population will never fly. But I've often thought that some movement to share the pounds could somehow catch on. I mean, shave off about 400 of Sam's pounds and give them to about 10-20 kids around the globe, and it could make a difference on a large scale. lurk Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Untimely Deaths
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear friend Sam died of morbid obesity. He weighed 650 pounds. I know the concept of spreading the wealth among the world's population will never fly. But I've often thought that some movement to share the pounds could somehow catch on. I mean, shave off about 400 of Sam's pounds and give them to about 10-20 kids around the globe, and it could make a difference on a large scale. lurk Hell, I've got about 30 I could donate. lurk Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Untimely Deaths
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sam Mcilhenny, who was somewhere in his late forties Dear friend Sam died of morbid obesity. He weighed 650 pounds. Sam was up to 650lbs? Yikes! I was thinking of Sam yesterday when I put some tabasco sauce on my home fries. Same was on my TTC. What year did he pass away? Hi Peter this is me Anonymous Ken Hassman. The last time I actually saw/hung out with Sam was in 1991-1992. He and Jim Meredith (remember Jim)were sharing a house over in Oakland. Sam had already ballooned up to no less than 350 pounds probably more, or so, needed a cane to help him stay up and balanced, and moved really slowly. I had occasion, once when over at Jim and Sam's house visiting to see Sam in minimal cloting and it was absolutely shocking how big he was and how hard it was for him to get himself upright from bed. Probably a few years later, I ran into Michael Thune (remember him)in Albany (just north of Berkeley). Michael was close with Sam and he was the one who told me Sam had died and weighed 650 pounds when they found him dead in his bed. Sam had moved back to Louisianna (I think) where his family was as he had inherited some big house when his dad died (I may be getting my facts mixed up a bit, but I'm close). Ken Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Untimely Deaths
--- anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sam Mcilhenny, who was somewhere in his late forties Dear friend Sam died of morbid obesity. He weighed 650 pounds. Sam was up to 650lbs? Yikes! I was thinking of Sam yesterday when I put some tabasco sauce on my home fries. Same was on my TTC. What year did he pass away? Hi Peter this is me Anonymous Ken Hassman. The last time I actually saw/hung out with Sam was in 1991-1992. He and Jim Meredith (remember Jim)were sharing a house over in Oakland. Sam had already ballooned up to no less than 350 pounds probably more, or so, needed a cane to help him stay up and balanced, and moved really slowly. I had occasion, once when over at Jim and Sam's house visiting to see Sam in minimal cloting and it was absolutely shocking how big he was and how hard it was for him to get himself upright from bed. Probably a few years later, I ran into Michael Thune (remember him)in Albany (just north of Berkeley). Michael was close with Sam and he was the one who told me Sam had died and weighed 650 pounds when they found him dead in his bed. Sam had moved back to Louisianna (I think) where his family was as he had inherited some big house when his dad died (I may be getting my facts mixed up a bit, but I'm close). Ken Thanks for the info Ken. Always like Sam. He had a good heart. On my TTC he got up and told a funny story-although that was not his intent-about transcending for about 4 hours one day. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Untimely Deaths
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sallysunshine01 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A few more come to mind Andy Kaufman -- mouth cancer ? Andy died of lung cancer and he was a non-smoker. *** But not a non-inhaler, as he spent a lot of time doing standup in smoky nightclubs, as did singer Dana Reeve (Superman's wife), who recently was diagnosed with lung cancer altho she never smoked. Steve Shimmer -- ? was recently posted Steve was being treated for Hodgkins Lymphoma which, apparently was under control. He died of the side effects of one of the meds he was taking which had listed, sudden heart failure as a possible side effect. Sam Mcilhenny, who was somewhere in his late forties Dear friend Sam died of morbid obesity. He weighed 650 pounds. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Untimely Deaths...aversions to allopathic medicine
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz [EMAIL PROTECTED]: It's perceived as untimely because these people cast of their mortal coils way ahead of the statistically established life expectancy for the society they live in This perception is reinforced by the assumption that leading the life of a meditator promotes longevity --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: TM, by itself, almost certainly promotes longevity. However, the lifestyle of many TMers appears to be couter-productive, both for physical health, and for enlightenment. In general, the TMer and New Ager lifestyles produce healthy choices, long life and enlightenment.A different facet of the TMer and New Ager lifestyles, however, warrants re-evaluation Specifically, the strident aversions to allopathic medicine and interventional surgery, respectively, handicap the healing of, and recovery from, serious illnesses of many of our dear friends. Non - TMers and New Agers, some despite really bad counter-productive living habits and distasteful tendencies, survive serious illnesses in the 21st century that overwhelm so many of our friends. Our, and our friends' early, pioneering perspective that promoted the concept that consciousness is primary in healing has been broadly adopted, and is increasingly embraced in the allopathic medical community. How arrogant we have become, to our own demise, by our strident aversions... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Untimely Deaths
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 10/12/05 10:56 AM, Patrick Gillam at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's why Sandy had her friend drive when they ventured out on highway 34 on a winter day to check her horse, which she stabled near Ottumwa. Her friend Susan, who was driving, was in an coma for a few days after the accident. Still has pins in her leg. She was in a CC-like state of detachment (unrelated to the accident) for many years. Hated it. Came to one of our Wednesday night satsangs and cried. Popped out of the duality state as she was leaving, and has been in Unity since. Very happy lady now. Dissociation due to trauma is probably not CC. The brainwaves of someone in dissociation due to sexual abuse show a lopsided, right- brain-enhanced pattern, while someone reporting witnessing due to TM show a balanced EEG between right and left sides. Interestingly enough, some Tibetan Buddhist techniques that some here tout as promoting enlightenment ALSO result in this lop-sided EEG pattern. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Untimely Deaths...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's perceived as untimely because these people cast of their mortal coils way ahead of the statistically established life expectancy for the society they live in This perception is reinforced by the assumption that leading the life of a meditator promotes longevity TM, by itself, almost certainly promotes longevity. However, the lifestyle of many TMers appears to be couter-productive, both for physical health, and for enlightenment. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Untimely Deaths
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Someone sent me the following note. Anyone care to expand upon it? I was struck a number of years by the legion of meditators, sidhas, initiators, governors, ministers, Purushas, Mother Divines, rajahs and other Movement potentates who had suffered untimely deaths. You mentioned several. After all, the number of hardcore meditators is really quite small, just a few thousands, I would think. I have worked for several organizations larger than that and cannot recall anywhere near a comparable percentage of people in their 40s or 50 croaking. That clearly is a very subjective estimation. I would like to see reliable statistics on the matter--you think Dr. Robert Keith Wallace would be interested in such a research topic??!! What if we began our own accounting of such deaths? My start is the attached table. If you think it makes sense you might solicit names on FFL. Name Cause of Death Approx. Age* Dawn Casper breast cancer 50 Kristi Kamins breast cancer 52 Bobby Warren drowning 45 Geo. Gleeson heart attack 45 Margaret Cooper MS 60 David Weiner testicular cancer 44 Maxine Trzebiatowski breast cancer 45 Kurleigh King Prostate cancer Doug Henning Liver Cancer 52 Skip Alexander Liver Cancer Jane Hopson ALS (Lou Gerhirg's disease) 62 That guy who was one of the top guys at Ritam Corp. Died during a sweat lodge. The sister of the former Mrs. Hagelin. Brain cancer. Her son died of brain cancer at age 13. The variety of brain cancer that kids get is generally expected to kill someone before adulthood. Someone surviving long enough to have kids is unusual. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Untimely Deaths
on 10/13/05 11:58 AM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 10/12/05 10:56 AM, Patrick Gillam at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's why Sandy had her friend drive when they ventured out on highway 34 on a winter day to check her horse, which she stabled near Ottumwa. Her friend Susan, who was driving, was in an coma for a few days after the accident. Still has pins in her leg. She was in a CC-like state of detachment (unrelated to the accident) for many years. Hated it. Came to one of our Wednesday night satsangs and cried. Popped out of the duality state as she was leaving, and has been in Unity since. Very happy lady now. Dissociation due to trauma is probably not CC. The brainwaves of someone in dissociation due to sexual abuse show a lopsided, right- brain-enhanced pattern, while someone reporting witnessing due to TM show a balanced EEG between right and left sides. Interestingly enough, some Tibetan Buddhist techniques that some here tout as promoting enlightenment ALSO result in this lop-sided EEG pattern. I know and have read about several people who suffered traumatic accidents that appear to have kicked them into a more enlightened state. In S. America they have lightening shamans - people who became psychic or healers after being struck by lightening. Read Dannion Brinkley: http://tinyurl.com/7bquk Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Untimely Deaths...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's perceived as untimely because these people cast of their mortal coils way ahead of the statistically established life expectancy for the society they live in This perception is reinforced by the assumption that leading the life of a meditator promotes longevity TM, by itself, almost certainly promotes longevity. However, the lifestyle of many TMers appears to be couter-productive, both for physical health, and for enlightenment. Allow me a different take in this. The TM-programme promotes accelerated progress. Occassionally, this progress gives practitioners a cosmic licence to drive in the pool-lane when going to the factory where you swap you old model of your body for a new one! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Untimely Deaths
I know and have read about several people who suffered traumatic accidents that appear to have kicked them into a more enlightened state. Some people believe walk-ins exchange places at those times and that's the reason why the individual feels so different. --- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 10/13/05 11:58 AM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 10/12/05 10:56 AM, Patrick Gillam at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's why Sandy had her friend drive when they ventured out on highway 34 on a winter day to check her horse, which she stabled near Ottumwa. Her friend Susan, who was driving, was in an coma for a few days after the accident. Still has pins in her leg. She was in a CC-like state of detachment (unrelated to the accident) for many years. Hated it. Came to one of our Wednesday night satsangs and cried. Popped out of the duality state as she was leaving, and has been in Unity since. Very happy lady now. Dissociation due to trauma is probably not CC. The brainwaves of someone in dissociation due to sexual abuse show a lopsided, right- brain-enhanced pattern, while someone reporting witnessing due to TM show a balanced EEG between right and left sides. Interestingly enough, some Tibetan Buddhist techniques that some here tout as promoting enlightenment ALSO result in this lop-sided EEG pattern. I know and have read about several people who suffered traumatic accidents that appear to have kicked them into a more enlightened state. In S. America they have lightening shamans - people who became psychic or healers after being struck by lightening. Read Dannion Brinkley: http://tinyurl.com/7bquk Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Untimely Deaths
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 10/13/05 11:58 AM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 10/12/05 10:56 AM, Patrick Gillam at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's why Sandy had her friend drive when they ventured out on highway 34 on a winter day to check her horse, which she stabled near Ottumwa. Her friend Susan, who was driving, was in an coma for a few days after the accident. Still has pins in her leg. She was in a CC-like state of detachment (unrelated to the accident) for many years. Hated it. Came to one of our Wednesday night satsangs and cried. Popped out of the duality state as she was leaving, and has been in Unity since. Very happy lady now. Dissociation due to trauma is probably not CC. The brainwaves of someone in dissociation due to sexual abuse show a lopsided, right- brain-enhanced pattern, while someone reporting witnessing due to TM show a balanced EEG between right and left sides. Interestingly enough, some Tibetan Buddhist techniques that some here tout as promoting enlightenment ALSO result in this lop-sided EEG pattern. I know and have read about several people who suffered traumatic accidents that appear to have kicked them into a more enlightened state. In S. America they have lightening shamans - people who became psychic or healers after being struck by lightening. Read Dannion Brinkley: http://tinyurl.com/7bquk More enlightened states? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Untimely Deaths
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know and have read about several people who suffered traumatic accidents that appear to have kicked them into a more enlightened state. Some people believe walk-ins exchange places at those times and that's the reason why the individual feels so different. You say walk-in; I say PTSD. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Untimely Deaths
--- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know and have read about several people who suffered traumatic accidents that appear to have kicked them into a more enlightened state. Some people believe walk-ins exchange places at those times and that's the reason why the individual feels so different. You say walk-in; I say PTSD. And Ramana says, Who feels different? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Untimely Deaths...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's perceived as untimely because these people cast of their mortal coils way ahead of the statistically established life expectancy for the society they live in This perception is reinforced by the assumption that leading the life of a meditator promotes longevity TM, by itself, almost certainly promotes longevity. However, the lifestyle of many TMers appears to be counter-productive, both for physical health, and for enlightenment. Yes, and the other thing to remember is that a lot of people come to TM because of a medical crisis, often at the behest of their medical practitioner. i.e. TM attracts people at death's door. Uns. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Untimely Deaths
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know and have read about several people who suffered traumatic accidents that appear to have kicked them into a more enlightened state. Some people believe walk-ins exchange places at those times and that's the reason why the individual feels so different. Sounded differently, acted differently...after near death in London didn't MMY? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Untimely Deaths...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, uns_tressor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's perceived as untimely because these people cast of their mortal coils way ahead of the statistically established life expectancy for the society they live in This perception is reinforced by the assumption that leading the life of a meditator promotes longevity TM, by itself, almost certainly promotes longevity. However, the lifestyle of many TMers appears to be counter-productive, both for physical health, and for enlightenment. Yes, and the other thing to remember is that a lot of people come to TM because of a medical crisis, often at the behest of their medical practitioner. i.e. TM attracts people at death's door. Uns. Or at least with long-term health issues from high blood pressure or cancer to a family history of the same. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Untimely Deaths
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, brahmachari108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know and have read about several people who suffered traumatic accidents that appear to have kicked them into a more enlightened state. Some people believe walk-ins exchange places at those times and that's the reason why the individual feels so different. Sounded differently, acted differently...after near death in London didn't MMY? And we explain this by walk-ins rather than by saying the guy almost died, had a good fright, and took a long time to completely recover? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Untimely Deaths
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Margaret Cooper MS 60 Maybe I'm thinking of a different Margaret Norman, but the one I know, part of the Cambridge center for a while and a resident of my town before moving to ff with husband Norman, was a lot younger than 60. I thought she was 37 or so at the time. There's also the audiovisual guy who was hit by lightning while hiking up a mountain in Colorado. Clearly off the program. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Untimely Deaths
This is a big movement. People in it die, just like everyone else. The idea that there is something mysterious about it is ridiculous, in my opinion. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Someone sent me the following note. Anyone care to expand upon it? I was struck a number of years by the legion of meditators, sidhas, initiators, governors, ministers, Purushas, Mother Divines, rajahs and other Movement potentates who had suffered untimely deaths. You mentioned several. After all, the number of hardcore meditators is really quite small, just a few thousands, I would think. I have worked for several organizations larger than that and cannot recall anywhere near a comparable percentage of people in their 40s or 50 croaking. That clearly is a very subjective estimation. I would like to see reliable statistics on the matter--you think Dr. Robert Keith Wallace would be interested in such a research topic??!! What if we began our own accounting of such deaths? My start is the attached table. If you think it makes sense you might solicit names on FFL. Name Cause of Death Approx. Age* Dawn Casper breast cancer 50 Kristi Kamins breast cancer 52 Bobby Warren drowning 45 Geo. Gleeson heart attack 45 Margaret Cooper MS 60 David Weiner testicular cancer 44 Maxine Trzebiatowski breast cancer 45 Kurleigh King Prostate cancer Doug Henning Liver Cancer 52 Skip Alexander Liver Cancer Jane Hopson ALS (Lou Gerhirg's disease) 62 A few more come to mind Andy Kaufman -- mouth cancer ? Karen Blassdale -- brain tumor Jane Prouty -- asfixiation (co heater) Steve Shimmer -- ? was recently posted Kent Ketterhoffen (sp) was posted a bit back swiss girl just mentioned a few weeks ago cc girl at MIU? the marine, who wrote book, OD on herioin Jack K? SF bay area, also heroin I remember a story of someone dying outside domes of heart attack, the day after he saw top vaida guy A while back a friend rattled off 3-4 people who died of AIDS, some KSCI guys, and a guy married to Heidi? Seems like there are more that I have heard of but escape me at the moment. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Untimely Deaths
Ed Goldfinger was felled by heart failure in the mid-90s or so. He was what, 50? Was Ed Tarabilda in his 50s? Sandy Kopff was 47 when her car slid into an oncoming truck between Fairfield and Ottumwa. I'm told the accident was one she was trying to avoid by virtue of having been warned by a jyotishi. She had been in a car accident a few weeks earlier. A friend of hers was driving during the fatal incident; they lost control when passing over an icy patch on the road. Let's not forget young Levi Butler, a victim of homicide. For that matter, my mother was a 10-year regular meditator who died of homicide at age 57. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Someone sent me the following note. Anyone care to expand upon it? I was struck a number of years by the legion of meditators, sidhas, initiators, governors, ministers, Purushas, Mother Divines, rajahs and other Movement potentates who had suffered untimely deaths. You mentioned several. After all, the number of hardcore meditators is really quite small, just a few thousands, I would think. I have worked for several organizations larger than that and cannot recall anywhere near a comparable percentage of people in their 40s or 50 croaking. That clearly is a very subjective estimation. I would like to see reliable statistics on the matter--you think Dr. Robert Keith Wallace would be interested in such a research topic??!! What if we began our own accounting of such deaths? My start is the attached table. If you think it makes sense you might solicit names on FFL. Name Cause of Death Approx. Age* Dawn Casper breast cancer 50 Kristi Kamins breast cancer 52 Bobby Warren drowning 45 Geo. Gleeson heart attack 45 Margaret Cooper MS 60 David Weiner testicular cancer 44 Maxine Trzebiatowski breast cancer 45 Kurleigh King Prostate cancer Doug Henning Liver Cancer 52 Skip Alexander Liver Cancer Jane Hopson ALS (Lou Gerhirg's disease) 62 A few more come to mind Andy Kaufman -- mouth cancer ? Karen Blassdale -- brain tumor Jane Prouty -- asfixiation (co heater) Steve Shimmer -- ? was recently posted Kent Ketterhoffen (sp) was posted a bit back swiss girl just mentioned a few weeks ago cc girl at MIU? the marine, who wrote book, OD on herioin Jack K? SF bay area, also heroin I remember a story of someone dying outside domes of heart attack, the day after he saw top vaida guy A while back a friend rattled off 3-4 people who died of AIDS, some KSCI guys, and a guy married to Heidi? Seems like there are more that I have heard of but escape me at the moment. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Untimely Deaths
--- Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ed Goldfinger was felled by heart failure in the mid-90s or so. He was what, 50? Younger Was Ed Tarabilda in his 50s? Sandy Kopff was 47 when her car slid into an oncoming truck between Fairfield and Ottumwa. I'm told the accident was one she was trying to avoid by virtue of having been warned by a jyotishi. She had been in a car accident a few weeks earlier. A friend of hers was driving during the fatal incident; they lost control when passing over an icy patch on the road. It was just east of that country western bar. I heard that her jyotish, done a few days before, said nothing about her being at risk. Let's not forget young Levi Butler, a victim of homicide. Pam Noble, early 30's, brain tumors George (used to work at ITG) early 40's, heart attack For that matter, my mother was a 10-year regular meditator who died of homicide at age 57. Man, that is tough, Patrick! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Someone sent me the following note. Anyone care to expand upon it? I was struck a number of years by the legion of meditators, sidhas, initiators, governors, ministers, Purushas, Mother Divines, rajahs and other Movement potentates who had suffered untimely deaths. You mentioned several. After all, the number of hardcore meditators is really quite small, just a few thousands, I would think. I have worked for several organizations larger than that and cannot recall anywhere near a comparable percentage of people in their 40s or 50 croaking. That clearly is a very subjective estimation. I would like to see reliable statistics on the matter--you think Dr. Robert Keith Wallace would be interested in such a research topic??!! What if we began our own accounting of such deaths? My start is the attached table. If you think it makes sense you might solicit names on FFL. Name Cause of Death Approx. Age* Dawn Casper breast cancer 50 Kristi Kamins breast cancer 52 Bobby Warren drowning 45 Geo. Gleeson heart attack 45 Margaret Cooper MS 60 David Weiner testicular cancer 44 Maxine Trzebiatowski breast cancer 45 Kurleigh King Prostate cancer Doug Henning Liver Cancer 52 Skip Alexander Liver Cancer Jane Hopson ALS (Lou Gerhirg's disease) 62 A few more come to mind Andy Kaufman -- mouth cancer ? Karen Blassdale -- brain tumor Jane Prouty -- asfixiation (co heater) Steve Shimmer -- ? was recently posted Kent Ketterhoffen (sp) was posted a bit back swiss girl just mentioned a few weeks ago cc girl at MIU? the marine, who wrote book, OD on herioin Jack K? SF bay area, also heroin I remember a story of someone dying outside domes of heart attack, the day after he saw top vaida guy A while back a friend rattled off 3-4 people who died of AIDS, some KSCI guys, and a guy married to Heidi? Seems like there are more that I have heard of but escape me at the moment. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Untimely Deaths
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Someone sent me the following note. Anyone care to expand upon it? I was struck a number of years by the legion of meditators, sidhas, initiators, governors, ministers, Purushas, Mother Divines, rajahs and other Movement potentates who had suffered untimely deaths. snip The TMO is largely a boomer mov't and as boomers reach middle age a certain percentage start to die. We notice deaths within our own circle more. Plus the TMO was wildly promoting Immortality and Perfect Health at the time the deaths started so it was a big contradiction in some minds. I still meet campus folks who are kind of shocked when one of their own gets seriously ill, but they were living in stapathya ved!?. I've been told that they found high amounts of DDT in S. Alexander's body, most likely from time in India. Any group that spends more than avg time in a country like India could have more deaths due to cancer, esp liver and reproductive organs that are esp sensitive to pesticide toxicity. The TMO also has higher than avg celebate and childless couples, which could increase prostate cancer (corelated with celebacy) and breast cancer (breastfeeding sign. reduces odds for breast cancer). Of course TM reduces blood pressure, so maybe less coronary deaths than avg. which could balance it out. Longer term I worry about the health of purushas, mds and campus staff (the poor ones at least) who haven't been getting regular health care and won't be taken care of by the tmo when they get old. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Untimely Deaths
Then there was Nona Hamburg, who in the early 1970's went in to the meditation room in the New Haven center and mysteriously died while meditating. She was in her 20's. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Untimely Deaths
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Someone sent me the following note. Anyone care to expand upon it? I was struck a number of years by the legion of meditators, sidhas, initiators, governors A legion is 5,000 men, excluding horses and paraphernalia, and miscellaneous siege engines. 20 odd out of 6 - 10 million is a good enough for me. It minds me a comment I made to one of bbrigante's recent sillier posts: There are lies, damned lies and statistics. Benjamin Disraeli. Uns. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Untimely Deaths
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 12, 2005, at 12:21 AM, Rick Archer wrote: What if we began our own accounting of such deaths? My start is the attached table. If you think it makes sense you might solicit names on FFL. I'm part of an international sangha/community of a several thousand hardcore yogis and meditators. Our quarterly newspaper lists all the births and deaths in the community. There are several a year. My observation would be that a good number of people who are hardcore meditators are also hardcore into alternative health practices. In some cases they will even forego any allopathic treatment in favor of Ayurveda or Tibetan medicine, etc. etc. The majority of these people die early because they either do not seek conventional treatment for diseases (with sometime excellent prognoses) or they delay conventional treatment. An example that comes to mind was a woman who worked at the health food supermarket. She had a fibroid the size of a large grapefruit. Because she believed she should do everything all natural she refused to have this removed--even though that meant she could no longer have sex. Granted, in this case it was benign, but that just highlights in my mind what lengths some will go to to maintain a belief system--even when conventional treatment is quite capable of helping them or even curing them. Yes, excellent point -- as if conventional treatment is somehow NOT a part of God or wholeness -- the old ignoring-the-helicopter- while-waiting-for-God-to-rescue-us-from-the-roof dodge :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Untimely Deaths
--- Peter Sutphen wrote: --- Patrick Gillam wrote: Sandy Kopff was 47 when her car slid into an oncoming truck between Fairfield and Ottumwa. I'm told the accident was one she was trying to avoid by virtue of having been warned by a jyotishi. She had been in a car accident a few weeks earlier. A friend of hers was driving during the fatal incident; they lost control when passing over an icy patch on the road. It was just east of that country western bar. I heard that her jyotish, done a few days before, said nothing about her being at risk. Funny we would hear conflicting stories. The version I heard was, Sandy was in a car accident in which she hurt her ankle pretty badly but otherwise got out okay. She went to a jyotishi to find out what was up. He looked at her chart and got very sober. That accident was to have been fatal, he was to have said. That's why Sandy had her friend drive when they ventured out on highway 34 on a winter day to check her horse, which she stabled near Ottumwa. On the way back the car hit a patch of ice and spun around 180 degrees so that Sandy, sitting in the passenger seat, got slammed into the side of an oncoming truck. I'm trying to remember who my source was for all this. John Small? Diana Watt? Dunno. I was living in St. Louis at the time, but I happened to be visiting friends in Marshalltown when the news appeared in the paper. I picked up the Des Moines Register and skimmed the news briefs. The dateline Fairfield caught my eye, and I read of my friend Sandy being taken from us. The suggestion of this thread is that these deaths may be statistically significant. But that's a question we are utterly unable to answer with these anecdotes. It is bittersweet and perhaps apt, however, to remember these people as calamities around the world take the lives of tens of thousands and make millions homeless. I used to feel blessed, charmed and invincible. These days I feel blessed, charmed and utterly vulnerable. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Untimely Deaths
on 10/12/05 10:56 AM, Patrick Gillam at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's why Sandy had her friend drive when they ventured out on highway 34 on a winter day to check her horse, which she stabled near Ottumwa. Her friend Susan, who was driving, was in an coma for a few days after the accident. Still has pins in her leg. She was in a CC-like state of detachment (unrelated to the accident) for many years. Hated it. Came to one of our Wednesday night satsangs and cried. Popped out of the duality state as she was leaving, and has been in Unity since. Very happy lady now. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Untimely Deaths
--- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 10/12/05 10:56 AM, Patrick Gillam at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's why Sandy had her friend drive when they ventured out on highway 34 on a winter day to check her horse, which she stabled near Ottumwa. Her friend Susan, who was driving, was in an coma for a few days after the accident. Still has pins in her leg. She was in a CC-like state of detachment (unrelated to the accident) for many years. Hated it. Came to one of our Wednesday night satsangs and cried. Popped out of the duality state as she was leaving, and has been in Unity since. Very happy lady now. Ho Humjust another day at the satsang! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Untimely Deaths
--- Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Peter Sutphen wrote: --- Patrick Gillam wrote: Sandy Kopff was 47 when her car slid into an oncoming truck between Fairfield and Ottumwa. I'm told the accident was one she was trying to avoid by virtue of having been warned by a jyotishi. She had been in a car accident a few weeks earlier. A friend of hers was driving during the fatal incident; they lost control when passing over an icy patch on the road. It was just east of that country western bar. I heard that her jyotish, done a few days before, said nothing about her being at risk. Funny we would hear conflicting stories. Your version is more detailed...I'd go with that. Some time ago when I lived in Fairfield Charlie Heath had some new jytoish software so he did my chart and saw that there was a specific period I was entering that I was at risk for an accident in a car. He also said that it seemed that no injury would occur. A few weeks later on my way to Iowa City, a women turned in front of me to go into the then new Wal Mart. I smacked right into her at 60MPH totaling her car and my car. Neither of us had a scratch. I told Charlie about it and he was so excited that he saw it coming. That's the only time I've ever been impressed by jyotish. __ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Untimely Deaths
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Your version is more detailed...I'd go with that. Some time ago when I lived in Fairfield Charlie Heath had some new jytoish software so he did my chart and saw that there was a specific period I was entering that I was at risk for an accident in a car. He also said that it seemed that no injury would occur. A few weeks later on my way to Iowa City, a women turned in front of me to go into the then new Wal Mart. I smacked right into her at 60MPH totaling her car and my car. Neither of us had a scratch. I told Charlie about it and he was so excited that he saw it coming. That's the only time I've ever been impressed by jyotish. The other night I watched the film Paycheck, based upon on a story by the great Philip K. Dick. As usual, the film didn't do justice to the ideas in the original story, but it did have one part that caught my ear, because it summed up many of my feelings about Jyotish or other methods of prognostication. (I've never been interested.) In the film, they develop a machine that sees into the future. They see a war coming, so they start doing things to prevent it, things that are misinterpreted and cause the war. The basic premise is that the drawback of seeing the future is that once you've seen it and convinced yourself it's true, you start subcon- sciously trying to make it come about. I'd rather just see what happens when it happens... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Untimely Deaths
Nat is very much alive. Some to add to the untimely list: Denise Robatai Julia Fritz Sharon Welsh Tobi Finebloom Sabine (German lady) all were on Mother Divine. Skip Alexander Debbie Kockel the Purusha guy in the fire --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 10/12/05 12:39 AM, gullible fool at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Margaret Cooper MS 60 Maybe I'm thinking of a different Margaret Norman, but the one I know, part of the Cambridge center for a while and a resident of my town before moving to ff with husband Norman, was a lot younger than 60. I thought she was 37 or so at the time. Different person. There's also the audiovisual guy who was hit by lightning while hiking up a mountain in Colorado. Also, Goldfaber. Nat is still alive, isn't he? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Untimely Deaths
--- andrasayer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nat is very much alive. Some to add to the untimely list: Denise Robatai Julia Fritz Sharon Welsh Tobi Finebloom Sabine (German lady) all were on Mother Divine. Skip Alexander Debbie Kockel the Purusha guy in the fire Sten, Rick's friend --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 10/12/05 12:39 AM, gullible fool at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Margaret Cooper MS 60 Maybe I'm thinking of a different Margaret Norman, but the one I know, part of the Cambridge center for a while and a resident of my town before moving to ff with husband Norman, was a lot younger than 60. I thought she was 37 or so at the time. Different person. There's also the audiovisual guy who was hit by lightning while hiking up a mountain in Colorado. Also, Goldfaber. Nat is still alive, isn't he? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Untimely Deaths
I actually died a few years ago, but I still enjoy checking in with FFL now and again. Being dead is often boring but if you like to surf the Web it can be pretty cool, because the connections are very fast and we have very good anti-virus software. We are told here that unconsciously wanting to have faster Web connections is the principal reason for untimely deaths in the TMO. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Someone sent me the following note. Anyone care to expand upon it? I was struck a number of years by the legion of meditators, sidhas, initiators, governors, ministers, Purushas, Mother Divines, rajahs and other Movement potentates who had suffered untimely deaths. You mentioned several. After all, the number of hardcore meditators is really quite small, just a few thousands, I would think. I have worked for several organizations larger than that and cannot recall anywhere near a comparable percentage of people in their 40s or 50 croaking. That clearly is a very subjective estimation. I would like to see reliable statistics on the matter--you think Dr. Robert Keith Wallace would be interested in such a research topic??!! What if we began our own accounting of such deaths? My start is the attached table. If you think it makes sense you might solicit names on FFL. Name Cause of Death Approx. Age* Dawn Casper breast cancer 50 Kristi Kamins breast cancer 52 Bobby Warren drowning 45 Geo. Gleeson heart attack 45 Margaret Cooper MS 60 David Weiner testicular cancer 44 Maxine Trzebiatowski breast cancer 45 Kurleigh King Prostate cancer Doug Henning Liver Cancer 52 Skip Alexander Liver Cancer Jane Hopson ALS (Lou Gerhirg's disease) 62 A few more come to mind Andy Kaufman -- mouth cancer ? Karen Blassdale -- brain tumor Jane Prouty -- asfixiation (co heater) Steve Shimmer -- ? was recently posted Kent Ketterhoffen (sp) was posted a bit back swiss girl just mentioned a few weeks ago cc girl at MIU? the marine, who wrote book, OD on herioin Jack K? SF bay area, also heroin I remember a story of someone dying outside domes of heart attack, the day after he saw top vaida guy A while back a friend rattled off 3-4 people who died of AIDS, some KSCI guys, and a guy married to Heidi? Seems like there are more that I have heard of but escape me at the moment. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Untimely Deaths
Margaret Norman--around 1992? age probably early 40s cause of death anorexia complications Katherin Greco--around 2003? age early 50s; cause of death cancer Janice Langstaff--around 2002? age early 50s; cause of death cancer Carol Dixon--around 1990? age early 40s; cause of death cancer LOTS OF Premature deaths by my calculations and of longtime dedicated TMO participants --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, andrasayer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nat is very much alive. Some to add to the untimely list: Denise Robatai Julia Fritz Sharon Welsh Tobi Finebloom Sabine (German lady) all were on Mother Divine. Skip Alexander Debbie Kockel the Purusha guy in the fire --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 10/12/05 12:39 AM, gullible fool at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Margaret Cooper MS 60 Maybe I'm thinking of a different Margaret Norman, but the one I know, part of the Cambridge center for a while and a resident of my town before moving to ff with husband Norman, was a lot younger than 60. I thought she was 37 or so at the time. Different person. There's also the audiovisual guy who was hit by lightning while hiking up a mountain in Colorado. Also, Goldfaber. Nat is still alive, isn't he? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Untimely Deaths
I actually died a few years ago, but I still enjoy checking in with FFL now and again. Does that mean we have only 999 members? --- scienceofabundance [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I actually died a few years ago, but I still enjoy checking in with FFL now and again. Being dead is often boring but if you like to surf the Web it can be pretty cool, because the connections are very fast and we have very good anti-virus software. We are told here that unconsciously wanting to have faster Web connections is the principal reason for untimely deaths in the TMO. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Someone sent me the following note. Anyone care to expand upon it? I was struck a number of years by the legion of meditators, sidhas, initiators, governors, ministers, Purushas, Mother Divines, rajahs and other Movement potentates who had suffered untimely deaths. You mentioned several. After all, the number of hardcore meditators is really quite small, just a few thousands, I would think. I have worked for several organizations larger than that and cannot recall anywhere near a comparable percentage of people in their 40s or 50 croaking. That clearly is a very subjective estimation. I would like to see reliable statistics on the matter--you think Dr. Robert Keith Wallace would be interested in such a research topic??!! What if we began our own accounting of such deaths? My start is the attached table. If you think it makes sense you might solicit names on FFL. Name Cause of Death Approx. Age* Dawn Casper breast cancer 50 Kristi Kamins breast cancer 52 Bobby Warren drowning 45 Geo. Gleeson heart attack 45 Margaret Cooper MS 60 David Weiner testicular cancer 44 Maxine Trzebiatowski breast cancer 45 Kurleigh King Prostate cancer Doug Henning Liver Cancer 52 Skip Alexander Liver Cancer Jane Hopson ALS (Lou Gerhirg's disease) 62 A few more come to mind Andy Kaufman -- mouth cancer ? Karen Blassdale -- brain tumor Jane Prouty -- asfixiation (co heater) Steve Shimmer -- ? was recently posted Kent Ketterhoffen (sp) was posted a bit back swiss girl just mentioned a few weeks ago cc girl at MIU? the marine, who wrote book, OD on herioin Jack K? SF bay area, also heroin I remember a story of someone dying outside domes of heart attack, the day after he saw top vaida guy A while back a friend rattled off 3-4 people who died of AIDS, some KSCI guys, and a guy married to Heidi? Seems like there are more that I have heard of but escape me at the moment. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Untimely Deaths...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bmorry2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: LOTS OF Premature deaths by my calculations and of longtime dedicated TMO participants This notion of premature and untimely death in a group so filled with the enlightened. When someone's time is up is the only time death comes, so how is that untimely? karma Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Untimely Deaths...
It's perceived as untimely because these people cast of their mortal coils way ahead of the statistically established life expectancy for the society they live in This perception is reinforced by the assumption that leading the life of a meditator promotes longevity --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, brahmachari108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bmorry2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: LOTS OF Premature deaths by my calculations and of longtime dedicated TMO participants This notion of premature and untimely death in a group so filled with the enlightened. When someone's time is up is the only time death comes, so how is that untimely? karma Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Untimely Deaths
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- andrasayer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nat is very much alive. Some to add to the untimely list: Denise Robatai Julia Fritz Sharon Welsh Tobi Finebloom Sabine (German lady) all were on Mother Divine. Skip Alexander Debbie Kockel the Purusha guy in the fire Sten, Rick's friend Curly King. George Harrison. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Untimely Deaths
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Someone sent me the following note. Anyone care to expand upon it? I was struck a number of years by the legion of meditators, sidhas, initiators, governors, ministers, Purushas, Mother Divines, rajahs and other Movement potentates who had suffered untimely deaths. You mentioned several. After all, the number of hardcore meditators is really quite small, just a few thousands, I would think. I have worked for several organizations larger than that and cannot recall anywhere near a comparable percentage of people in their 40s or 50 croaking. That clearly is a very subjective estimation. I would like to see reliable statistics on the matter--you think Dr. Robert Keith Wallace would be interested in such a research topic??!! What if we began our own accounting of such deaths? My start is the attached table. If you think it makes sense you might solicit names on FFL. Name Cause of Death Approx. Age* Dawn Casper breast cancer 50 Kristi Kamins breast cancer 52 Bobby Warren drowning 45 Geo. Gleeson heart attack 45 Margaret Cooper MS 60 David Weiner testicular cancer 44 Maxine Trzebiatowski breast cancer 45 Kurleigh King Prostate cancer Doug Henning Liver Cancer 52 Skip Alexander Liver Cancer Jane Hopson ALS (Lou Gerhirg's disease) 62 That guy who was one of the top guys at Ritam Corp. Died during a sweat lodge. The sister of the former Mrs. Hagelin. Brain cancer. Her son died of brain cancer at age 13. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Untimely Deaths
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Someone sent me the following note. Anyone care to expand upon it? I was struck a number of years by the legion of meditators, sidhas, initiators, governors, ministers, Purushas, Mother Divines, rajahs and other Movement potentates who had suffered untimely deaths. You mentioned several. After all, the number of hardcore meditators is really quite small, just a few thousands, I would think. I have worked for several organizations larger than that and cannot recall anywhere near a comparable percentage of people in their 40s or 50 croaking. That clearly is a very subjective estimation. I would like to see reliable statistics on the matter--you think Dr. Robert Keith Wallace would be interested in such a research topic??!! What if we began our own accounting of such deaths? My start is the attached table. If you think it makes sense you might solicit names on FFL. Name Cause of Death Approx. Age* Dawn Casper breast cancer 50 Kristi Kamins breast cancer 52 Bobby Warren drowning 45 Geo. Gleeson heart attack 45 Margaret Cooper MS 60 David Weiner testicular cancer 44 Maxine Trzebiatowski breast cancer 45 Kurleigh King Prostate cancer Doug Henning Liver Cancer 52 Skip Alexander Liver Cancer Jane Hopson ALS (Lou Gerhirg's disease) 62 A few more come to mind Andy Kaufman -- mouth cancer ? Karen Blassdale -- brain tumor Jane Prouty -- asfixiation (co heater) Steve Shimmer -- ? was recently posted Kent Ketterhoffen (sp) was posted a bit back swiss girl just mentioned a few weeks ago cc girl at MIU? the marine, who wrote book, OD on herioin Jack K? SF bay area, also heroin I remember a story of someone dying outside domes of heart attack, the day after he saw top vaida guy A while back a friend rattled off 3-4 people who died of AIDS, some KSCI guys, and a guy married to Heidi? Seems like there are more that I have heard of but escape me at the moment. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
