[FairfieldLife] Re: Weapons of Mass Destruction
(snip) Most people just laugh when I say that and there is no further need for discussion. For those who still appear confused, I elaborate. They say I have weapons of mass destruction, and they can't let me in because I'm a threat to the course participants. I encourage my friends to reject these empty arguments about the harm that MIGHT be done if the heretic is allowed inside the temple, and to accept the proposition that In the vicinity of yoga, no enemy is found. The blacklisting program through the years has had substantial, observable negative effects on the community, not the least of which, one might argue, has been the pathetic slide of Dome attendance to abysmal depths. If the movement leadership is really committed to Superradiance. let them demonstrate their commitment to an Ideal Society by bringing their acceptance policies all the way into Sat Yuga. L B Shriver I agree, L B... To me it seems silly, that a group, which is supposed to be so... Powerful, that it can purify this whole crazy United States of $$$; That a few, like a few handful of 'untouchables' or 'lesser than thou' in the dome(s), will effect anything at all. (I use those terms, to emphasize that the elitist personality, which seems to need an underdog, in order to feel superior and loyal to the hierarchy); The irony is: The very Unity we are wanting to manifest... Is destroyed-- Spitting-Apart-- As the I-Ch'ing would say... Many times, but not always, there are these [younger souls], with different agendas to fulfill, They continue to baffle the older souls, who are by nature more accepting of diversity, and universality. A strong need for some people to feel superior than others. Wishing to exclude or 'Shun' others; Shunning is common in many religions based in fear. Also: You have to realize that many of the people involved in the TM movement are working out karma of a most recent past life, in some cases, not all, having been involved with the Third Reich. (Particularly the so-called, baby-boomer generation, which encompass most of Maharishi's students); I feel that Maharishi took on some p-r-e-t-t-y heavy karma for volunteering to work with this group. R.G. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Weapons of Mass Destruction
I heard Geoffrey Clements say something similar many years ago, when he visited Norway. When we meditate TM - something is happening in the brain, more coherence. If we meditate with people that is not doing TM - their vibes will disturb our brain wave function. Some of the TB's told us not to have non-meditating friends - because it was not good for us, and never meditate in the same room as others that used other meditation technique. I think I would be very comfortable to meditate in the same room as Yogananda and Guru Dev. Ingegerd --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There has been quite a bit of discussion lately regarding the movement's policies and practices surrounding the exclusion of Sidhas and Governors from the group practice in the Domes. It has been noted that many individuals previously banned have been allowed to participate in the current course, some after many years of exclusion. This is a good development, and I welcome it. It has also been noted that many individuals continue to be excluded. Some numbers have been mentioned from time to time, but it is difficult to know with any degree of certainty to what extent the banning continues, as the machinery of exclusion is mostly private. A few days ago I had a conversation with my friend Tim Britton, who is among those not admitted to the current program. In the course of our conversation, I couldn't help but be impressed with Tim's integrity and equanimity, his total lack of hard feelings toward the course office, and his willingness to rationally consider the arguments put forward in support of his exclusion. In fact, Tim managed to articulate these policies with greater clarity than I have ever heard them articulated by representatives of the movement. Consequently, I must admit that my own paraphrasing is somewhat less refined, and therefore perhaps less convincing. I would like to address, in particular, two arguments recently advanced in support of exclusions. The first says that if people are practicing techniques learned from other teachers or organizationseven if they do not practice these techniques in the Domethey might be disrupting the practice of others. The argument asserts that alien techniques might have undesirable physiological effects which could adversely affect those sitting near the practitioner. The other argument is even more esoteric, and deals with the issue of loyalty to the master and the master's organization. It says that even if an individual practices ONLY Maharishi's technologies in the Dome, the practice of other techniques in private will breach (on some subtle, ultra-refined level) the coherence within the group, therefore upsetting the progress of all those connected with it. Aside from my own lack of skill in articulating these concepts, they both suffer from serious problems of credibility. First of all, they are not based on anything resembling systematic observation. Those who have been excluded on the basis of alien practices are generally those who have been exposed through spying, informants, or chance. Occasionally they were victims of their own honesty in answering a questionnaire. However, they weren't busted because someone saw them doing something weird in the Domes. Nor were they exposed because people sitting next to them fainted or began vomiting, or were suddenly, mysteriously, unable to fly. Similarly, no one to my knowledge has put forth a compelling argument as to how one's evolution is necessarily damaged by adding a spiritual practice to one's private program. More amazingly, to my way of thinking, no one has explained how a seasoned, experienced Sidha or Governor would fail to notice if a practice produced undesirable results, or would continue a practice that was not satisfying. In truth, very rarely does one hear it claimed outright that the alien techniques are known to produce bad effects of any kind for the practitioner (other than banning, of course). However, it is regularly IMPLIED that such is the case. One phrase which I have often heard, in that regard, is that we just don't know what the effect would be. Let me see: is there a better definition of acting from ignorance? On the one hand, we are told again and again of the enormous value of every single warm body that can be included in the group program. It has been proven by dozens of meticulous research projects around the world, and those of us who are in possession of this knowledge are morally obligated to act on it. On the other hand, despite the fact that there has been no research on the putative negative effects of practicing alien techniques in private, and the fact that we have no actual reason to believe that those effects are negative with respect to the Dome experience, we are
[FairfieldLife] Re: Weapons of Mass Destruction
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I heard Geoffrey Clements say something similar many years ago, when he visited Norway. When we meditate TM - something is happening in the brain, more coherence. If we meditate with people that is not doing TM - their vibes will disturb our brain wave function. After decades of hearing this crap and having been trained to consider themselves more elite than pretty much everyone in the world, is it any wonder that the TBs see enemies and anti-TMers with agendas all around them? The whole *point* of training people to be elitists is so that they'll develop a them vs. us mentality and be easier to control. Some of the TB's told us not to have non-meditating friends - because it was not good for us, and never meditate in the same room as others that used other meditation technique. I think I would be very comfortable to meditate in the same room as Yogananda and Guru Dev. Actually, if you buy into the bullshit that Clements was selling, you wouldn't DARE meditate in the same room as Guru Dev, because he wouldn't be practicing TM, would he? You might get cooties. :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Weapons of Mass Destruction
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd marwincornyarmand@ wrote: I heard Geoffrey Clements say something similar many years ago, when he visited Norway. When we meditate TM - something is happening in the brain, more coherence. If we meditate with people that is not doing TM - their vibes will disturb our brain wave function. After decades of hearing this crap and having been trained to consider themselves more elite than pretty much everyone in the world, is it any wonder that the TBs see enemies and anti-TMers with agendas all around them? The whole *point* of training people to be elitists is so that they'll develop a them vs. us mentality and be easier to control. Some of the TB's told us not to have non-meditating friends - because it was not good for us, and never meditate in the same room as others that used other meditation technique. I think I would be very comfortable to meditate in the same room as Yogananda and Guru Dev. Actually, if you buy into the bullshit that Clements was selling, you wouldn't DARE meditate in the same room as Guru Dev, because he wouldn't be practicing TM, would he? You might get cooties. :-) Guru Dev, Brahmananda Saraswati IS TM...every cell. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Weapons of Mass Destruction
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I heard Geoffrey Clements say something similar many years ago, when he visited Norway. When we meditate TM - something is happening in the brain, more coherence. If we meditate with people that is not doing TM - their vibes will disturb our brain wave function. Some of the TB's told us not to have non-meditating friends - because it was not good for us, and never meditate in the same room as others that used other meditation technique. I think I would be very comfortable to meditate in the same room as Yogananda and Guru Dev. Ingegerd When I first came to MIU in the mid-70s, a friend told me that once during meditation he felt a presence sitting next to him. The thought came, Zen Buddhist. A voice spoke to him telepathically and said, What right do you have to transcend? Then it continued: This is how I transcend. At that moment, according to my friend, the bottom fell out and he plunged into the deepest meditation he had ever experienced. As I recall, he didn't find the experience to be negative. L B S To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Weapons of Mass Destruction
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd marwincornyarmand@ wrote: I heard Geoffrey Clements say something similar many years ago, when he visited Norway. When we meditate TM - something is happening in the brain, more coherence. If we meditate with people that is not doing TM - their vibes will disturb our brain wave function. After decades of hearing this crap and having been trained to consider themselves more elite than pretty much everyone in the world, is it any wonder that the TBs see enemies and anti-TMers with agendas all around them? The whole *point* of training people to be elitists is so that they'll develop a them vs. us mentality and be easier to control. Some of the TB's told us not to have non-meditating friends - because it was not good for us, and never meditate in the same room as others that used other meditation technique. I think I would be very comfortable to meditate in the same room as Yogananda and Guru Dev. Actually, if you buy into the bullshit that Clements was selling, you wouldn't DARE meditate in the same room as Guru Dev, because he wouldn't be practicing TM, would he? You might get cooties. :-) Guru Dev, Brahmananda Saraswati IS TM...every cell. But he wouldn't be *practicing* TM, Jim. As anyone who has read his writings knows, he would be practicing a *different* technique of meditation. Therefore, if Geoffrey Clements was stating the official TM position accurately (and he probably was because I've heard the same thing from Maharishi), then you have to assume that the official TM position would be that it would be dangerous to meditate in the same room with Guru Dev. You can't have it both ways. Either techniques other than TM have cooties and disturb our brain wave functioning, or they don't. And *if* they do, which does seem to be the TM dogma, then the techniques Guru Dev and his fellow monks practiced would fall into that category, and be dangerous to be around. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Weapons of Mass Destruction
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd marwincornyarmand@ wrote: I heard Geoffrey Clements say something similar many years ago, when he visited Norway. When we meditate TM - something is happening in the brain, more coherence. If we meditate with people that is not doing TM - their vibes will disturb our brain wave function. Some of the TB's told us not to have non-meditating friends - because it was not good for us, and never meditate in the same room as others that used other meditation technique. I think I would be very comfortable to meditate in the same room as Yogananda and Guru Dev. Ingegerd When I first came to MIU in the mid-70s, a friend told me that once during meditation he felt a presence sitting next to him. The thought came, Zen Buddhist. A voice spoke to him telepathically and said, What right do you have to transcend? Then it continued: This is how I transcend. At that moment, according to my friend, the bottom fell out and he plunged into the deepest meditation he had ever experienced. As I recall, he didn't find the experience to be negative. Although this story sounds somewhat hyped up and fictionalized, that *IS* what it's like to meditate with someone who can go into samadhi for long periods of time. The bottom really does fall out, in the sense that as long as that person stays in thought- less samadhi, *you* stay in thoughtless samadhi. Forget the maximum of several seconds stuff that Sparaig talks about from the experiments; we're talking twenty minutes to an hour easy, sometimes longer. When you think about it, this may be one reason that the TMO doesn't want its people meditating with those from other traditions who can transcend for long periods of time. As long as they don't know it's possible, they don't know what they're missing. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Weapons of Mass Destruction
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Weapons of Mass Destruction on 9/1/06 10:02 AM, L B Shriver at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When I first came to MIU in the mid-70s, a friend told me that once during meditation he felt a presence sitting next to him. The thought came, Zen Buddhist. A voice spoke to him telepathically and said, What right do you have to transcend? Then it continued: This is how I transcend. At that moment, according to my friend, the bottom fell out and he plunged into the deepest meditation he had ever experienced. As I recall, he didn't find the experience to be negative. I remember that story. Who was that? __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Weapons of Mass Destruction
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip After decades of hearing this crap and having been trained to consider themselves more elite than pretty much everyone in the world, (Gee, I wonder how I missed that training.) is it any wonder that the TBs see enemies and anti-TMers with agendas all around them? Yeah, how would anybody imagine that someone who has hung out in TM-related groups for over a decade relentlessly criticizing all things TM-ish could possibly have an agenda? The whole *point* of training people to be elitists is so that they'll develop a them vs. us mentality and be easier to control. But of course you'd never buy into that mentality and think of the TBs them, would you, Barry? (Terminology is interesting. Pro-TMer isn't considered disparaging by either those who support TM or its critics, yet anti-TMer evokes howls of outrage from the latter. And while anti-TMer is considered offensive by the critics, it doesn't bother them at all to label the pro-TMers TBs/True Believers.) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Weapons of Mass Destruction
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 9/1/06 10:02 AM, L B Shriver at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When I first came to MIU in the mid-70s, a friend told me that once during meditation he felt a presence sitting next to him. The thought came, Zen Buddhist. A voice spoke to him telepathically and said, What right do you have to transcend? Then it continued: This is how I transcend. At that moment, according to my friend, the bottom fell out and he plunged into the deepest meditation he had ever experienced. As I recall, he didn't find the experience to be negative. I remember that story. Who was that? Sorry, I remember the story clear-as-a-bell, but don't remember who told it. L B S To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Weapons of Mass Destruction
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But he wouldn't be *practicing* TM, Jim. As anyone who has read his writings knows, he would be practicing a *different* technique of meditation. Therefore, if Geoffrey Clements was stating the official TM position accurately (and he probably was because I've heard the same thing from Maharishi), then you have to assume that the official TM position would be that it would be dangerous to meditate in the same room with Guru Dev. You can't have it both ways. Either techniques other than TM have cooties and disturb our brain wave functioning, or they don't. And *if* they do, which does seem to be the TM dogma, then the techniques Guru Dev and his fellow monks practiced would fall into that category, and be dangerous to be around. Hi, I really have nothing to say either pro or against this thing about other techniques being practiced in the dome or in proximity to TMers. I was purely sharing what I know about Brahmananda Saraswati- nothing more. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Weapons of Mass Destruction
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip (Terminology is interesting. Pro-TMer isn't considered disparaging by either those who support TM or its critics, yet anti-TMer evokes howls of outrage from the latter. And while anti-TMer is considered offensive by the critics, it doesn't bother them at all to label the pro-TMers TBs/True Believers.) This is an astute observation. For example, I occasionally use the True Believer or equivalent lable, while at the same time I usually reject the anti-TM label when applied to yours truly. The moral equivalency of labels is usually an uncomfortable topic for those who like to use them. On the other hand, it doesn't necessarily follow that what we might call the truth content of the labels is equivalent. As I'm sure you are aware, it's much easier to be impartial about topics in which we are not personally involved. If, for example, we were having a discussion about a group of Christian fundamentalists that was experiencing fragmentation and schism over the years, we would probably be able to identify familiar roles being played out. Furthermore, we would probably have no difficulty accepting the prevailing view among educated people that the hard core membership of the organization is likely to be more narrow-minded and paranoid than the membership at the fringe, and tend to view them more negatively than anyone else would. True believership is a well-documented phenomenon, and is usually associated with some form of cognitive or development deficit. Having said that, it is also only too true that those outside the core are often blind to their own prejudices and negative thinking. In effect, their thought processes are virtually indistinguishable from the TB's. What a beautiful universe. L B S To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Weapons of Mass Destruction
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: But he wouldn't be *practicing* TM, Jim. As anyone who has read his writings knows, he would be practicing a *different* technique of meditation. Therefore, if Geoffrey Clements was stating the official TM position accurately (and he probably was because I've heard the same thing from Maharishi), then you have to assume that the official TM position would be that it would be dangerous to meditate in the same room with Guru Dev. You can't have it both ways. Either techniques other than TM have cooties and disturb our brain wave functioning, or they don't. And *if* they do, which does seem to be the TM dogma, then the techniques Guru Dev and his fellow monks practiced would fall into that category, and be dangerous to be around. Hi, I really have nothing to say either pro or against this thing about other techniques being practiced in the dome or in proximity to TMers. I was purely sharing what I know about Brahmananda Saraswati- nothing more. In any case, Guru Dev in meditation would likely be all samadhi, all the time, so the question of techniques wouldn't even arise. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Weapons of Mass Destruction
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In any case, Guru Dev in meditation would likely be all samadhi, all the time, so the question of techniques wouldn't even arise. Right- incomprehensibly beyond any techniques, beyond anything really. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Weapons of Mass Destruction
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip (Terminology is interesting. Pro-TMer isn't considered disparaging by either those who support TM or its critics, yet anti-TMer evokes howls of outrage from the latter. And while anti-TMer is considered offensive by the critics, it doesn't bother them at all to label the pro-TMers TBs/True Believers.) This is an astute observation. For example, I occasionally use the True Believer or equivalent lable, while at the same time I usually reject the anti- TM label when applied to yours truly. The moral equivalency of labels is usually an uncomfortable topic for those who like to use them. On the other hand, it doesn't necessarily follow that what we might call the truth content of the labels is equivalent. Right, it's more a matter of what people intend when applying the labels. True Believer, as used here, is almost always intended to demean (not necessarily by you), and it tends to be applied indiscriminately to anyone who expresses disagreement with a TM critic. Until one of the critical noisemakers here started attacking me (and others) for using the term anti-TMer, however, I had never considered it a derogatory term. I had used the phrase rabid anti-TMer when I wanted to indicate an extremist position, and I used it very selectively. Yet somehow the pro-TMers are expected to refer politely to TM critics while humbly submitting to being labeled True Believers. As I'm sure you are aware, it's much easier to be impartial about topics in which we are not personally involved. If, for example, we were having a discussion about a group of Christian fundamentalists that was experiencing fragmentation and schism over the years, we would probably be able to identify familiar roles being played out. Furthermore, we would probably have no difficulty accepting the prevailing view among educated people that the hard core membership of the organization is likely to be more narrow-minded and paranoid than the membership at the fringe, and tend to view them more negatively than anyone else would. Certainly. True believership is a well-documented phenomenon, and is usually associated with some form of cognitive or development deficit. I suspect so, which is why it should be used selectively. Having said that, it is also only too true that those outside the core are often blind to their own prejudices and negative thinking. In effect, their thought processes are virtually indistinguishable from the TB's. Thank you. I've been pointing this out here for some time now, so I'm pleased to find you concur. What a beautiful universe. Weird, but beautiful... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Weapons of Mass Destruction
(Terminology is interesting. Pro-TMer isn't considered disparaging by either those who support TM or its critics, yet anti-TMer evokes howls of outrage from the latter. And while anti-TMer is considered offensive by the critics, it doesn't bother them at all to label the pro-TMers TBs/True Believers.) This is an astute observation. For example, I occasionally use the True Believer or equivalent lable, while at the same time I usually reject the anti-TM label when applied to yours truly. The thing is, True Believer is actually more accurate than pro-TMer. True Believer implies all of the characteristics that Eric Hoffer wrote about in his books, while pro-TMer only implies someone who feels that the TM *technique* itself is beneficial. The term anti-TMer is incredibly inaccurate, and IMO consciously so. I would say that *most* of the people here who have problems with some of the TM dogma and some of the TMO behavior have *no* such problems with the basic TM technique itself. The attempt to call someone who has problems with some of the TM dogma and many of the actions of the TMO an anti-TMer is DISHONEST. MOST of the folks here who have been called anti-TMers by one of Hoffer's classic TBs have NO problems with TM the technique. It's just that the TBs want people to *think* that they do. Read the list of Hoffer's criteria for a True Believer. THAT is what I am referring to when I term someone a TB or True Believer. I am *not* suggesting merely that they are pro-TM and that being a pro-TMEer is a bad thing. Hell, *I* am actually pro-TM in that I think that the basic TM technique has value. But at the same time I believe that many of the personality traits and behaviors exhibited by the True Believers are very damaging indeed, both to themselves and to others. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Weapons of Mass Destruction
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd marwincornyarmand@ wrote: I heard Geoffrey Clements say something similar many years ago, when he visited Norway. When we meditate TM - something is happening in the brain, more coherence. If we meditate with people that is not doing TM - their vibes will disturb our brain wave function. After decades of hearing this crap and having been trained to consider themselves more elite than pretty much everyone in the world, is it any wonder that the TBs see enemies and anti-TMers with agendas all around them? The whole *point* of training people to be elitists is so that they'll develop a them vs. us mentality and be easier to control. Some of the TB's told us not to have non-meditating friends - because it was not good for us, and never meditate in the same room as others that used other meditation technique. I think I would be very comfortable to meditate in the same room as Yogananda and Guru Dev. Actually, if you buy into the bullshit that Clements was selling, you wouldn't DARE meditate in the same room as Guru Dev, because he wouldn't be practicing TM, would he? You might get cooties. :-) ...and I've meditated with TMers who were unstressing SO much that it was uncomfortable to be in the same room with them while they were doing TM... And when I fly and I meditate next to someone NOT doing TM -- they may be sleeping -- am I being negatively affected? What about that wonderful silence one experiences in a church or a monastery and we take advantage of it by sitting down to meditate in that silence...obviously the vibes in those places are NOT a result of TMers...should we NOT do that? Or, closer to home, going to a temple in India and experiencing the silence there...it wasn't created by TMers...should we avoid that experience? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Weapons of Mass Destruction
Response below. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (Terminology is interesting. Pro-TMer isn't considered disparaging by either those who support TM or its critics, yet anti-TMer evokes howls of outrage from the latter. And while anti-TMer is considered offensive by the critics, it doesn't bother them at all to label the pro-TMers TBs/True Believers.) This is an astute observation. For example, I occasionally use the True Believer or equivalent lable, while at the same time I usually reject the anti-TM label when applied to yours truly. The thing is, True Believer is actually more accurate than pro-TMer. True Believer implies all of the characteristics that Eric Hoffer wrote about in his books, while pro-TMer only implies someone who feels that the TM *technique* itself is beneficial. The term anti-TMer is incredibly inaccurate, and IMO consciously so. I would say that *most* of the people here who have problems with some of the TM dogma and some of the TMO behavior have *no* such problems with the basic TM technique itself. The attempt to call someone who has problems with some of the TM dogma and many of the actions of the TMO an anti-TMer is DISHONEST. MOST of the folks here who have been called anti-TMers by one of Hoffer's classic TBs have NO problems with TM the technique. It's just that the TBs want people to *think* that they do. Read the list of Hoffer's criteria for a True Believer. THAT is what I am referring to when I term someone a TB or True Believer. I am *not* suggesting merely that they are pro-TM and that being a pro-TMEer is a bad thing. Hell, *I* am actually pro-TM in that I think that the basic TM technique has value. But at the same time I believe that many of the personality traits and behaviors exhibited by the True Believers are very damaging indeed, both to themselves and to others. Shame on you for snipping! SHAME SHAME SHAME. Just kidding of course. But note that in the part you snipped, I said: On the other hand, it doesn't necessarily follow that what we might call the truth content of the labels is equivalent. Furthermore, we would probably have no difficulty accepting the prevailing view among educated people that the hard core membership of the organization is likely to be more narrow-minded and paranoid than the membership at the fringe, and tend to view them more negatively than anyone else would. This is the part that agrees with your points, which are all well-taken. L B S To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Weapons of Mass Destruction
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (Terminology is interesting. Pro-TMer isn't considered disparaging by either those who support TM or its critics, yet anti-TMer evokes howls of outrage from the latter. And while anti-TMer is considered offensive by the critics, it doesn't bother them at all to label the pro-TMers TBs/True Believers.) This is an astute observation. For example, I occasionally use the True Believer or equivalent lable, while at the same time I usually reject the anti-TM label when applied to yours truly. The thing is, True Believer is actually more accurate than pro-TMer. True Believer implies all of the characteristics that Eric Hoffer wrote about in his books, while pro-TMer only implies someone who feels that the TM *technique* itself is beneficial. The term anti-TMer is incredibly inaccurate, and IMO consciously so. I would say that *most* of the people here who have problems with some of the TM dogma and some of the TMO behavior have *no* such problems with the basic TM technique itself. The attempt to call someone who has problems with some of the TM dogma and many of the actions of the TMO an anti-TMer is DISHONEST. MOST of the folks here who have been called anti-TMers by one of Hoffer's classic TBs have NO problems with TM the technique. It's just that the TBs want people to *think* that they do. No, this is a deliberate distortion on Barry's part. Neither anti-TMer nor pro-TMer is used with reference *only* to one's attitude to the TM technique, and he knows it. Read the list of Hoffer's criteria for a True Believer. THAT is what I am referring to when I term someone a TB or True Believer. Anyone familiar with Hoffer's work knows that his True Believer label is *ludicrously* inapplicable to most of those to whom Barry attempts to apply it here. I am *not* suggesting merely that they are pro-TM and that being a pro-TMEer is a bad thing. Hell, *I* am actually pro-TM in that I think that the basic TM technique has value. But at the same time I believe that many of the personality traits and behaviors exhibited by the True Believers are very damaging indeed, both to themselves and to others. As LB noted in his post: True believership is a well-documented phenomenon, and is usually associated with some form of cognitive or development deficit. Having said that, it is also only too true that those outside the core are often blind to their own prejudices and negative thinking. In effect, their thought processes are virtually indistinguishable from the TB's. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Weapons of Mass Destruction
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd marwincornyarmand@ wrote: I heard Geoffrey Clements say something similar many years ago, when he visited Norway. When we meditate TM - something is happening in the brain, more coherence. If we meditate with people that is not doing TM - their vibes will disturb our brain wave function. Some of the TB's told us not to have non-meditating friends - because it was not good for us, and never meditate in the same room as others that used other meditation technique. I think I would be very comfortable to meditate in the same room as Yogananda and Guru Dev. Ingegerd When I first came to MIU in the mid-70s, a friend told me that once during meditation he felt a presence sitting next to him. The thought came, Zen Buddhist. A voice spoke to him telepathically and said, What right do you have to transcend? Then it continued: This is how I transcend. At that moment, according to my friend, the bottom fell out and he plunged into the deepest meditation he had ever experienced. As I recall, he didn't find the experience to be negative. And the moral is: people in the mid-70's had some very strange unstressing episodes... BTW, in Zen, it is considered a Very Rare Thing to transcend. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Weapons of Mass Destruction
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver l_b_shriver@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd marwincornyarmand@ wrote: I heard Geoffrey Clements say something similar many years ago, when he visited Norway. When we meditate TM - something is happening in the brain, more coherence. If we meditate with people that is not doing TM - their vibes will disturb our brain wave function. Some of the TB's told us not to have non-meditating friends - because it was not good for us, and never meditate in the same room as others that used other meditation technique. I think I would be very comfortable to meditate in the same room as Yogananda and Guru Dev. Ingegerd When I first came to MIU in the mid-70s, a friend told me that once during meditation he felt a presence sitting next to him. The thought came, Zen Buddhist. A voice spoke to him telepathically and said, What right do you have to transcend? Then it continued: This is how I transcend. At that moment, according to my friend, the bottom fell out and he plunged into the deepest meditation he had ever experienced. As I recall, he didn't find the experience to be negative. Although this story sounds somewhat hyped up and fictionalized, that *IS* what it's like to meditate with someone who can go into samadhi for long periods of time. The bottom really does fall out, in the sense that as long as that person stays in thought- less samadhi, *you* stay in thoughtless samadhi. Forget the maximum of several seconds stuff that Sparaig talks about from the experiments; we're talking twenty minutes to an hour easy, sometimes longer. When you think about it, this may be one reason that the TMO doesn't want its people meditating with those from other traditions who can transcend for long periods of time. As long as they don't know it's possible, they don't know what they're missing. Pats head. Of course, Unc. There's a good boy. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Weapons of Mass Destruction
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There has been quite a bit of discussion lately regarding the movement's policies and practices surrounding the exclusion of Sidhas and Governors from the group practice in the Domes. It has been noted that many individuals previously banned have been allowed to participate in the current course, some after many years of exclusion. This is a good development, and I welcome it. It has also been noted that many individuals continue to be excluded. Some numbers have been mentioned from time to time, but it is difficult to know with any degree of certainty to what extent the banning continues, as the machinery of exclusion is mostly private. A few days ago I had a conversation with my friend Tim Britton, who is among those not admitted to the current program. In the course of our conversation, I couldn't help but be impressed with Tim's integrity and equanimity, his total lack of hard feelings toward the course office, and his willingness to rationally consider the arguments put forward in support of his exclusion. In fact, Tim managed to articulate these policies with greater clarity than I have ever heard them articulated by representatives of the movement. Consequently, I must admit that my own paraphrasing is somewhat less refined, and therefore perhaps less convincing. I would like to address, in particular, two arguments recently advanced in support of exclusions. The first says that if people are practicing techniques learned from other teachers or organizationseven if they do not practice these techniques in the Domethey might be disrupting the practice of others. The argument asserts that alien techniques might have undesirable physiological effects which could adversely affect those sitting near the practitioner. The other argument is even more esoteric, and deals with the issue of loyalty to the master and the master's organization. It says that even if an individual practices ONLY Maharishi's technologies in the Dome, the practice of other techniques in private will breach (on some subtle, ultra-refined level) the coherence within the group, therefore upsetting the progress of all those connected with it. Aside from my own lack of skill in articulating these concepts, they both suffer from serious problems of credibility. First of all, they are not based on anything resembling systematic observation. Those who have been excluded on the basis of alien practices are generally those who have been exposed through spying, informants, or chance. Occasionally they were victims of their own honesty in answering a questionnaire. However, they weren't busted because someone saw them doing something weird in the Domes. Nor were they exposed because people sitting next to them fainted or began vomiting, or were suddenly, mysteriously, unable to fly. Similarly, no one to my knowledge has put forth a compelling argument as to how one's evolution is necessarily damaged by adding a spiritual practice to one's private program. More amazingly, to my way of thinking, no one has explained how a seasoned, experienced Sidha or Governor would fail to notice if a practice produced undesirable results, or would continue a practice that was not satisfying. In truth, very rarely does one hear it claimed outright that the alien techniques are known to produce bad effects of any kind for the practitioner (other than banning, of course). However, it is regularly IMPLIED that such is the case. One phrase which I have often heard, in that regard, is that we just don't know what the effect would be. Let me see: is there a better definition of acting from ignorance? On the one hand, we are told again and again of the enormous value of every single warm body that can be included in the group program. It has been proven by dozens of meticulous research projects around the world, and those of us who are in possession of this knowledge are morally obligated to act on it. On the other hand, despite the fact that there has been no research on the putative negative effects of practicing alien techniques in private, and the fact that we have no actual reason to believe that those effects are negative with respect to the Dome experience, we are encouraged to believe that the exclusion of those practitioners from the group program is somehow in the interest of world peace. In other words, the arguments in favor of blacklisting are actually rather vague and opaque. We don't know what, if any, are the actual effects of letting people into the Dome who practice some alternate or auxiliary techniques at home. We do, however, know the effects of the blacklisting. As an immediate, direct, mathematically quantifiable result: fewer people in the Domes. As a longer term, indirect,
[FairfieldLife] Re: Weapons of Mass Destruction
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Reply below. snip Myself, I haven't applied to this course. Not because I wouldn't want to...I would just LOVE to participate in a program with 1,000 other people...it would be, simply, wonderful. And it's not that I would be excluded unless having the occasional Sunday night dinner at the Hare Krishna temple or attending weekly yoga classes are punishable offenses...gee, anyone think that maybe they WOULD be if I put them down on the form? It's just that I would be extemely uncomfortable OUTSIDE the Dome, say, in the dining room or the lecture hall where the inevitable conversations would come up about the TMO and MMY and I would to hear stuff that I totally disagree with...things that I am fundamentally opposed to. It is, admittedly, my own weakness but I think it best NOT to be around the TMO and its activities when I feel so fundamentally opposed to some of its policies and practises. My anger would overshadow my tranquility of being there and I would not be able to hold back my unhappiness and would express it to those around me thus, in turn, making THEM uncomfortable...and I wouldn't want to do that, especially if I would then be earmarked as a trouble-maker. So I stay away. snip to end I think this is legitimate. I applaud the maturity and compassion in your recognition that your hard feelings are your own baggage and that you don't wish to inflict them on others. It is probably a good rule of thumb that one shouldn't be a party pooper. As I told one of the course officers while still engaged in the application process (in response to questions about my thinking about various controversial issues); My thinking about things is pretty much the same. It is the feeling that has changed. I don't feel much need to argue or to lobby for a point of viewunless someone is trying to cram movement BS down my throat. Believe it or not, that still happens sometimes. L B S To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Weapons of Mass Destruction
The only WMD that I have experienced in the movement was this guy that used to fart the most horrendous noxious vapors every single program in the dome, which totally polluted any bliss that was being created. I am sure he is part of the reason for low dome numbers of recent years. OffWorld --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There has been quite a bit of discussion lately regarding the movement's policies and practices surrounding the exclusion of Sidhas and Governors from the group practice in the Domes. It has been noted that many individuals previously banned have been allowed to participate in the current course, some after many years of exclusion. This is a good development, and I welcome it. It has also been noted that many individuals continue to be excluded. Some numbers have been mentioned from time to time, but it is difficult to know with any degree of certainty to what extent the banning continues, as the machinery of exclusion is mostly private. A few days ago I had a conversation with my friend Tim Britton, who is among those not admitted to the current program. In the course of our conversation, I couldn't help but be impressed with Tim's integrity and equanimity, his total lack of hard feelings toward the course office, and his willingness to rationally consider the arguments put forward in support of his exclusion. In fact, Tim managed to articulate these policies with greater clarity than I have ever heard them articulated by representatives of the movement. Consequently, I must admit that my own paraphrasing is somewhat less refined, and therefore perhaps less convincing. I would like to address, in particular, two arguments recently advanced in support of exclusions. The first says that if people are practicing techniques learned from other teachers or organizationseven if they do not practice these techniques in the Domethey might be disrupting the practice of others. The argument asserts that alien techniques might have undesirable physiological effects which could adversely affect those sitting near the practitioner. The other argument is even more esoteric, and deals with the issue of loyalty to the master and the master's organization. It says that even if an individual practices ONLY Maharishi's technologies in the Dome, the practice of other techniques in private will breach (on some subtle, ultra-refined level) the coherence within the group, therefore upsetting the progress of all those connected with it. Aside from my own lack of skill in articulating these concepts, they both suffer from serious problems of credibility. First of all, they are not based on anything resembling systematic observation. Those who have been excluded on the basis of alien practices are generally those who have been exposed through spying, informants, or chance. Occasionally they were victims of their own honesty in answering a questionnaire. However, they weren't busted because someone saw them doing something weird in the Domes. Nor were they exposed because people sitting next to them fainted or began vomiting, or were suddenly, mysteriously, unable to fly. Similarly, no one to my knowledge has put forth a compelling argument as to how one's evolution is necessarily damaged by adding a spiritual practice to one's private program. More amazingly, to my way of thinking, no one has explained how a seasoned, experienced Sidha or Governor would fail to notice if a practice produced undesirable results, or would continue a practice that was not satisfying. In truth, very rarely does one hear it claimed outright that the alien techniques are known to produce bad effects of any kind for the practitioner (other than banning, of course). However, it is regularly IMPLIED that such is the case. One phrase which I have often heard, in that regard, is that we just don't know what the effect would be. Let me see: is there a better definition of acting from ignorance? On the one hand, we are told again and again of the enormous value of every single warm body that can be included in the group program. It has been proven by dozens of meticulous research projects around the world, and those of us who are in possession of this knowledge are morally obligated to act on it. On the other hand, despite the fact that there has been no research on the putative negative effects of practicing alien techniques in private, and the fact that we have no actual reason to believe that those effects are negative with respect to the Dome experience, we are encouraged to believe that the exclusion of those practitioners from the group program is somehow in the interest of world peace. In other words, the arguments in favor of blacklisting are actually rather vague and opaque. We don't know what, if
[FairfieldLife] Re: Weapons of Mass Destruction
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you for a well thought out and insightful posting. Myself, I haven't applied to this course. Not because I wouldn't want to...I would just LOVE to participate in a program with 1,000 other people...it would be, simply, wonderful. And it's not that I would be excluded unless having the occasional Sunday night dinner at the Hare Krishna temple or attending weekly yoga classes are punishable offenses...gee, anyone think that maybe they WOULD be if I put them down on the form? Dude, don't put them down on the form. You are the boss of life --- no-one else ! It's just that I would be extemely uncomfortable OUTSIDE the Dome, say, in the dining room or the lecture hall where the inevitable conversations would come up about the TMO and MMY and I would to hear stuff that I totally disagree with...things that I am fundamentally opposed to. I have nothing against TMO, but I am sure I would offend a bunch of them... no problem. It is, admittedly, my own weakness ///snip///system. Yes, I know that the TM Program is a do-it-yourself program and I shouldn't have to rely on an outside organisation or like-minded peers...and I am able to survive on my own. But it's damn lonely. And, yes, I do feel resentment towards the TMO and MMY for putting me in this position. MMY and the TMO should be supporting ME and not the cult that the TMO has grown into, nor those that have enabled it to become a cult. People like ME should be the priority. Good point, but I am afraid to say the ANY organisation that tries to be something other than a loose grouping, is BOUND to become an obnoxious place to be for the likes of you and I. It is innevitable. However, you can just realise that you are a man of Tao. Confucious was walking along the river bank with his disciples when they noticed an old man in the wild rapids, they saw him go under the raging waters and wanted to save him, but to their astonishment he surfaced a ways downstream and easily stepped from the water as if having taken a morning dip in a bath. The students amazed asked him Old Sir, how were you able to survive these deadly waters, were you not hurt? No, replied the old man, I am a man of Tao, and I swim with the ebb and flow of the world. OffWorldBeings To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Weapons of Mass Destruction
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Weapons of Mass Destruction on 8/31/06 9:06 PM, off_world_beings at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The only WMD that I have experienced in the movement was this guy that used to fart the most horrendous noxious vapors every single program in the dome, which totally polluted any bliss that was being created. I am sure he is part of the reason for low dome numbers of recent years. I had a guy near me for a long time who had the weirdest, most offensive B.O. Ive ever experienced. I used to come in the first wave, get deep in meditation, then he would come in the 2nd wave and bring me out. I finally said something to him, very politely, and he was totally offended. He wasnt capable of considering that it might be true. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
