[FairfieldLife] Re: Will official Gay Marriage relieve Gays from their guilt?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u no_reply@... wrote: Now that they're married will they feel free of guilt and shame that 'society' (ostensibly) has put on them? Not sure anyone is feeling the 'shame' and 'guilt' either before marriage or after. Is one of the reasons they want gay marriage to assuage their guilt over their 'unusual' sexual behavior? thinking that by society condoning it they would feel relieved? I seriously doubt it. Or, do any of them actually have any guilt at all, and if so, is it for real (i.e. from their God given conscience) or just social/religious programing? I love how you keep using the word they and them like homosexuals are some sort of specimen in a petri dish. And if it's from their conscience could that mean that actually homosexuality is indeed wrong? At least for them? and maybe a clarion call for the rest of us? Could homosexuality actually be wrong and immoral? Enquiring minds want to know. :-) It would be nice to think you actually are inquiring and didn't already have your mind made up on all of this. However, I get the distinct impression you won't be taking that walk down the aisle with your same-sex partner anytime soon.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Will official Gay Marriage relieve Gays from their guilt?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u no_reply@ wrote: Now that they're married will they feel free of guilt and shame that 'society' (ostensibly) has put on them? Not sure anyone is feeling the 'shame' and 'guilt' either before marriage or after. Is one of the reasons they want gay marriage to assuage their guilt over their 'unusual' sexual behavior? thinking that by society condoning it they would feel relieved? I seriously doubt it. Or, do any of them actually have any guilt at all, and if so, is it for real (i.e. from their God given conscience) or just social/religious programing? I love how you keep using the word they and them like homosexuals are some sort of specimen in a petri dish. And if it's from their conscience could that mean that actually homosexuality is indeed wrong? At least for them? and maybe a clarion call for the rest of us? Could homosexuality actually be wrong and immoral? Enquiring minds want to know. :-) It would be nice to think you actually are inquiring and didn't already have your mind made up on all of this. However, I get the distinct impression you won't be taking that walk down the aisle with your same-sex partner anytime soon. Why do you suppose young homosexuals commit suicide? Hasn't the Gay lobby suggested it's because of social programming and society needs to be re-educated, starting in the schools? I know in some cases it is explained because of bullying, but not all. And not all gays want to be married anyway.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Will official Gay Marriage relieve Gays from their guilt?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u no_reply@... wrote: Now that they're married will they feel free of guilt and shame that 'society' (ostensibly) has put on them? Is one of the reasons they want gay marriage to assuage their guilt over their 'unusual' sexual behavior? thinking that by society condoning it they would feel relieved? Or, do any of them actually have any guilt at all, and if so, is it for real (i.e. from their God given conscience) or just social/religious programing? And if it's from their conscience could that mean that actually homosexuality is indeed wrong? At least for them? and maybe a clarion call for the rest of us? Could homosexuality actually be wrong and immoral? Enquiring minds want to know. :-) sniff sniff Smells like... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reaction_formation
[FairfieldLife] Re: Will official Gay Marriage relieve Gays from their guilt?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u no_reply@ wrote: Now that they're married will they feel free of guilt and shame that 'society' (ostensibly) has put on them? Not sure anyone is feeling the 'shame' and 'guilt' either before marriage or after. Is one of the reasons they want gay marriage to assuage their guilt over their 'unusual' sexual behavior? thinking that by society condoning it they would feel relieved? I seriously doubt it. Or, do any of them actually have any guilt at all, and if so, is it for real (i.e. from their God given conscience) or just social/religious programing? I love how you keep using the word they and them like homosexuals are some sort of specimen in a petri dish. And if it's from their conscience could that mean that actually homosexuality is indeed wrong? At least for them? and maybe a clarion call for the rest of us? Could homosexuality actually be wrong and immoral? Enquiring minds want to know. :-) It would be nice to think you actually are inquiring and didn't already have your mind made up on all of this. However, I get the distinct impression you won't be taking that walk down the aisle with your same-sex partner anytime soon. Why do you suppose young homosexuals commit suicide? Well, I am neither young or homosexual nor have I been close to committing suicide so it would be very difficult for me to answer this question. However, since people in all age groups, ethnicities and sexual orientations do occasionally commit suicide the question of why some young gay people end their lives is probably a good one just as is asking why young aboriginals, young affluent white people or even dentists commit suicide. But your question here sort of implies that it more rampant among young gay people to kill themselves than other groups and I am not sure that is the case. Hasn't the Gay lobby suggested it's because of social programming and society needs to be re-educated, starting in the schools? I know in some cases it is explained because of bullying, but not all. What do you think? And not all gays want to be married anyway. That is true enough. So where are we going with this?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Will official Gay Marriage relieve Gays from their guilt?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u no_reply@ wrote: Now that they're married will they feel free of guilt and shame that 'society' (ostensibly) has put on them? Not sure anyone is feeling the 'shame' and 'guilt' either before marriage or after. Is one of the reasons they want gay marriage to assuage their guilt over their 'unusual' sexual behavior? thinking that by society condoning it they would feel relieved? I seriously doubt it. Or, do any of them actually have any guilt at all, and if so, is it for real (i.e. from their God given conscience) or just social/religious programing? I love how you keep using the word they and them like homosexuals are some sort of specimen in a petri dish. And if it's from their conscience could that mean that actually homosexuality is indeed wrong? At least for them? and maybe a clarion call for the rest of us? Could homosexuality actually be wrong and immoral? Enquiring minds want to know. :-) It would be nice to think you actually are inquiring and didn't already have your mind made up on all of this. However, I get the distinct impression you won't be taking that walk down the aisle with your same-sex partner anytime soon. Why do you suppose young homosexuals commit suicide? Well, I am neither young or homosexual nor have I been close to committing suicide so it would be very difficult for me to answer this question. However, since people in all age groups, ethnicities and sexual orientations do occasionally commit suicide the question of why some young gay people end their lives is probably a good one just as is asking why young aboriginals, young affluent white people or even dentists commit suicide. But your question here sort of implies that it more rampant among young gay people to kill themselves than other groups and I am not sure that is the case. Hasn't the Gay lobby suggested it's because of social programming and society needs to be re-educated, starting in the schools? I know in some cases it is explained because of bullying, but not all. What do you think? And not all gays want to be married anyway. That is true enough. So where are we going with this? Nothing important really, I just have a theory that since LGBT's think they can't(or won't) change themselves to conform to society they want to change society to conform to them...that's all. I think they've pretty much thrown scripture out the window, though one's conscience is another matter, that's a real sticky wicket, we all know we get pestered by our conscience now and then, best to do it's bidding I suppose. I think what gays are actually battling is their own consciences, FWIW. They don't have *gay scripture* now do they. What they need is a GAY Prophet, or a Gay Jesus if you will. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Will official Gay Marriage relieve Gays from their guilt?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u no_reply@ wrote: snip Why do you suppose young homosexuals commit suicide? Well, I am neither young or homosexual nor have I been close to committing suicide so it would be very difficult for me to answer this question. However, since people in all age groups, ethnicities and sexual orientations do occasionally commit suicide the question of why some young gay people end their lives is probably a good one just as is asking why young aboriginals, young affluent white people or even dentists commit suicide. But your question here sort of implies that it more rampant among young gay people to kill themselves than other groups and I am not sure that is the case. Researchers have found that suicide among lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender (LGBT) youth is comparatively higher than among the general population. LGBT teens and young adults have one of the highest rates of suicide attempts.[1] According to some groups, this is linked to heterocentric cultures and institutionalised homophobia in some cases, including the use of LGBT people as a political wedge issue like in the contemporary efforts to halt legalising same-sex marriages.[2] Depression and drug use among LGBT people have both been shown to increase significantly after new laws that discriminate against gay people are passed.[3] Bullying of LGBT youth has been shown to be a contributing factor in many suicides, even if not all of the attacks have been specifically addressing sexuality or gender. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_suicide
[FairfieldLife] Re: Will official Gay Marriage relieve Gays from their guilt?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u no_reply@ wrote: snip Why do you suppose young homosexuals commit suicide? Well, I am neither young or homosexual nor have I been close to committing suicide so it would be very difficult for me to answer this question. However, since people in all age groups, ethnicities and sexual orientations do occasionally commit suicide the question of why some young gay people end their lives is probably a good one just as is asking why young aboriginals, young affluent white people or even dentists commit suicide. But your question here sort of implies that it more rampant among young gay people to kill themselves than other groups and I am not sure that is the case. Researchers have found that suicide among lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender (LGBT) youth is comparatively higher than among the general population. LGBT teens and young adults have one of the highest rates of suicide attempts.[1] According to some groups, this is linked to heterocentric cultures and institutionalised homophobia in some cases, including the use of LGBT people as a political wedge issue like in the contemporary efforts to halt legalising same-sex marriages.[2] Depression and drug use among LGBT people have both been shown to increase significantly after new laws that discriminate against gay people are passed.[3] Bullying of LGBT youth has been shown to be a contributing factor in many suicides, even if not all of the attacks have been specifically addressing sexuality or gender. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_suicide My older sister is a so-called lesbian and she ask me what I thought about it. I told her it didn't matter, but she kept on pestering me about it (I think she inwardly knew how I felt) so after at least 3 attempts I responded thinking she really just wanted to know my feelings or beliefs about it and I said, I think anyone who engages in it is morally bankrupt, I haven't heard from her in over 30 years, oh well! :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Will official Gay Marriage relieve Gays from their guilt?
On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 6:35 PM, wgm4u no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: My older sister is a so-called lesbian and she ask me what I thought about it. I told her it didn't matter, but she kept on pestering me about it (I think she inwardly knew how I felt) so after at least 3 attempts I responded thinking she really just wanted to know my feelings or beliefs about it and I said, I think anyone who engages in it is morally bankrupt, I haven't heard from her in over 30 years, oh well! :-) You sick son of a bitch.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Will official Gay Marriage relieve Gays from their guilt?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 6:35 PM, wgm4u no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: My older sister is a so-called lesbian and she ask me what I thought about it. I told her it didn't matter, but she kept on pestering me about it (I think she inwardly knew how I felt) so after at least 3 attempts I responded thinking she really just wanted to know my feelings or beliefs about it and I said, I think anyone who engages in it is morally bankrupt, I haven't heard from her in over 30 years, oh well! :-) You sick son of a bitch. Nyuk; well, so much for having an opinion right? I should have just said Oh, I think it's wonderful, in fact it kind of turns me on. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Will official Gay Marriage relieve Gays from their guilt?
So, what does this have to do with Meditating and Fairfield? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u no_reply@... wrote: Now that they're married will they feel free of guilt and shame that 'society' (ostensibly) has put on them? Is one of the reasons they want gay marriage to assuage their guilt over their 'unusual' sexual behavior? thinking that by society condoning it they would feel relieved? Or, do any of them actually have any guilt at all, and if so, is it for real (i.e. from their God given conscience) or just social/religious programing? And if it's from their conscience could that mean that actually homosexuality is indeed wrong? At least for them? and maybe a clarion call for the rest of us? Could homosexuality actually be wrong and immoral? Enquiring minds want to know. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Will official Gay Marriage relieve Gays from their guilt?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u no_reply@ wrote: snip Why do you suppose young homosexuals commit suicide? Well, I am neither young or homosexual nor have I been close to committing suicide so it would be very difficult for me to answer this question. However, since people in all age groups, ethnicities and sexual orientations do occasionally commit suicide the question of why some young gay people end their lives is probably a good one just as is asking why young aboriginals, young affluent white people or even dentists commit suicide. But your question here sort of implies that it more rampant among young gay people to kill themselves than other groups and I am not sure that is the case. Researchers have found that suicide among lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender (LGBT) youth is comparatively higher than among the general population. LGBT teens and young adults have one of the highest rates of suicide attempts.[1] According to some groups, this is linked to heterocentric cultures and institutionalised homophobia in some cases, including the use of LGBT people as a political wedge issue like in the contemporary efforts to halt legalising same-sex marriages.[2] Depression and drug use among LGBT people have both been shown to increase significantly after new laws that discriminate against gay people are passed.[3] Bullying of LGBT youth has been shown to be a contributing factor in many suicides, even if not all of the attacks have been specifically addressing sexuality or gender. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_suicide My older sister is a so-called lesbian and she ask me what I thought about it. I told her it didn't matter, but she kept on pestering me about it (I think she inwardly knew how I felt) so after at least 3 attempts I responded thinking she really just wanted to know my feelings or beliefs about it and I said, I think anyone who engages in it is morally bankrupt, I haven't heard from her in over 30 years, oh well! :-) Oh dear, that is rather heartbreaking. What a thing to never speak again to someone for. Good thing she doesn't see what we all say to each other on FFL. But you have appeared to have stayed consistent in your viewpoint about this for over 30 years. Maybe it is time to change that viewpoint!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Will official Gay Marriage relieve Gays from their guilt?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u no_reply@ wrote: snip Why do you suppose young homosexuals commit suicide? Well, I am neither young or homosexual nor have I been close to committing suicide so it would be very difficult for me to answer this question. However, since people in all age groups, ethnicities and sexual orientations do occasionally commit suicide the question of why some young gay people end their lives is probably a good one just as is asking why young aboriginals, young affluent white people or even dentists commit suicide. But your question here sort of implies that it more rampant among young gay people to kill themselves than other groups and I am not sure that is the case. Researchers have found that suicide among lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender (LGBT) youth is comparatively higher than among the general population. LGBT teens and young adults have one of the highest rates of suicide attempts.[1] According to some groups, this is linked to heterocentric cultures and institutionalised homophobia in some cases, including the use of LGBT people as a political wedge issue like in the contemporary efforts to halt legalising same-sex marriages.[2] Depression and drug use among LGBT people have both been shown to increase significantly after new laws that discriminate against gay people are passed.[3] Bullying of LGBT youth has been shown to be a contributing factor in many suicides, even if not all of the attacks have been specifically addressing sexuality or gender. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_suicide My older sister is a so-called lesbian and she ask me what I thought about it. I told her it didn't matter, but she kept on pestering me about it (I think she inwardly knew how I felt) so after at least 3 attempts I responded thinking she really just wanted to know my feelings or beliefs about it and I said, I think anyone who engages in it is morally bankrupt, I haven't heard from her in over 30 years, oh well! :-) Oh dear, that is rather heartbreaking. What a thing to never speak again to someone for. Good thing she doesn't see what we all say to each other on FFL. But you have appeared to have stayed consistent in your viewpoint about this for over 30 years. Maybe it is time to change that viewpoint! Certainly gays and lesbians don't have a corner on lust, for it says in Romans, all have sinned and fallen short of the high calling of God. Straights are as big as sinners, there's plenty to go around, isn't that what Christmas is all about, saving us all from satan's power, as it says in the Xmas carol?
