[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 8, 2005, at 12:30 PM, sparaig wrote: Women must be different on Governor Training since I'm worth as reasonable bit on paper,owning lots of property, but no-one appears to think of moi as a good catch. Should we feign surprise? Are you hinting at something? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Does he tell you he loves you when he hits you? Abuse. Narrated by Halle Berry. http://us.click.yahoo.com/hemMeA/rbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know about anyone else, but I find the concept of women thinking of a man as a good catch because of his income more offensive than any of the racist epithets attributed here to Tom. Why would you be offended by this? It's a simple fact of life, affirmed to be so by many intelligent women in private conversation and also by normal observations. No argument there. It's just that personally I would never have anything to do with any woman who was interested in me for my money (not that I have a lot of it). I *know* that it's a factor in many women's search for a partner; it's just that I'm not searching for many women, just one who is looking for a little more out of life than an easy life. Looking for a good provider is an essential thing for a sane woman who is hoping to raise a family unless she is already well- to- do. Not only that, it's hard-wired, an evolutionary survival trait. The children of women who have a knack for picking a good provider are more likely to survive and pass on their genes (including the gene for the knack of picking a good provider). Long ago, of course, a good provider was the guy who reliably brought home game after the hunt and was strong enough to protect the woman and the kids from predators (animal and otherwise). These days it's money rather than game (bringing home the bacon), but there's still a premium on good looks and strength because they tend to indicate good health and fertility (in both males and females), which again favors survival of the genes. Genetics can breed for faux signals. You can have women (or men) who aren't worth a darn in or out of bed, have no concept of how to raise a child, etc., but their overall appearance and demeaner triggers mating instincts in many people just by some combination of features/qualities that fit the inbred pattern recognition for mates. Of course, people are more complicated than crabs, so not everyone is triggered by the giant claw, or whatever, but the principle is still applies in virtually everyone, to some extent: there's someone out there whom, if you meet them, you WILL make a fool of yourself. The problem is when you make money the MOST important part of who you're looking for. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Drugs Don't Discriminate. Get help for yourself or someone you know. http://us.click.yahoo.com/0I.OUB/ZbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Women must be different on Governor Training since I'm worth as reasonable bit on paper,owning lots of property, but no-one appears to think of moi as a good catch. Of course, I don't advertise, having learned that whatever you advertise, is the kind of person you attract. (Says Lawson, advertising.) True, but the odds that anyone is going to take me seriously, travel to tucson and get involved with me because of some braggartly posting on FFL are kinda slim, so I feel safe. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Dying to be thin? Anorexia. Narrated by Julianne Moore. http://us.click.yahoo.com/AQDrNC/sbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip . Numerous studies have persuaded linguistic researchers that acquisition of a second language after the age of 15 means that one is unlikely to acquire mastery (especially in terms of pronunciation -- the brain has less flexibility after the age of 15), although there are certainly individual variations: http://tinyurl.com/a322s learning before the age of 7 yields perfect command * I have found it interesting that at MSAE Maharishi doesn't allow 2nd language acquisition at the younger age (he may make an exception for Sanskrit) because he claims that for the youngster to speak something other than the mother tongue creates some subtle kind of confusioneven though, as you note, it is the ideal time for language acquistion. Does anyone have more precise information on this? L B S I hadn't heard that claim. I have heard that he thinks the only way to acquire a second language completely is to live in a country where it is spoken natively. This is in-line with normal linguistics research, from what I hear. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Ever feel sad or cry for no reason at all? Depression. Narrated by Kate Hudson. http://us.click.yahoo.com/YbEMxA/ubOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 8, 2005, at 4:51 PM, L B Shriver wrote: I have found it interesting that at MSAE Maharishi doesn't allow 2nd language acquisition at the younger age (he may make an exception for Sanskrit) because he claims that for the youngster to speak something other than the mother tongue creates some subtle kind of confusioneven though, as you note, it is the ideal time for language acquistion. Does anyone have more precise information on this? L B S I asked my wife who has a masters in Infant development. Do it BEFORE elementary school. Would you trust *your* children to Mahesh's theories? Would you trust rumors that may not ahve any basis in fact in order to pass judgement on someone? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Dying to be thin? Anorexia. Narrated by Julianne Moore. http://us.click.yahoo.com/AQDrNC/sbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 8, 2005, at 8:17 PM, anonymousff wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would you trust *your* children to Mahesh's theories? Indeed. I had almost total immersion in Czech at Our Lady of the Inquisition Catholic School in kindergarten and 1-2 grade. The nuns were right off the boat from Czecho. It was easy as pie to learn Czech. But M's theory is that this should just confuse you Akasha. No, this is someone's possible mis-remembering of MMY's theory. *I* heard almost exactly the opposite about learning 2nd languages. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Dying to be thin? Anorexia. Narrated by Julianne Moore. http://us.click.yahoo.com/AQDrNC/sbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It *was* kinda embarrassing; I had to buy some baggy pants for the duration. Fortunately I was on vacation and not doing training classes at the time, otherwise the students would've been making snide comments about my new laser pointer. :-) But at least now I know the secret of Billy and Mick's onstage charisma. When I'm not sleeping (I assume) and am rounding, the laser pointer is almost ever present. One of Nature's little impractacle jokes, I suspose. Having a laser pointer with the button stuck in the ON position is actually not that unusual for men who are engaging in extended periods of meditation, in my experience. Kundalini awakening, and all that. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Does he tell you he loves you when he hits you? Abuse. Narrated by Halle Berry. http://us.click.yahoo.com/hemMeA/rbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
On Dec 9, 2005, at 3:36 AM, sparaig wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 8, 2005, at 4:51 PM, L B Shriver wrote: I have found it interesting that at MSAE Maharishi doesn't allow 2nd language acquisition at the younger age (he may make an exception for Sanskrit) because he claims that for the youngster to speak something other than the "mother tongue" creates some subtle kind of confusion—even though, as you note, it is the ideal time for language acquistion. Does anyone have more precise information on this? L B S I asked my wife who has a masters in Infant development. Do it BEFORE elementary school. Would you trust *your* children to Mahesh's theories? Would you trust rumors that may not ahve any basis in fact in order to pass judgement on someone? "Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings -- that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide." To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 9, 2005, at 3:36 AM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 8, 2005, at 4:51 PM, L B Shriver wrote: I have found it interesting that at MSAE Maharishi doesn't allow 2nd language acquisition at the younger age (he may make an exception for Sanskrit) because he claims that for the youngster to speak something other than the mother tongue creates some subtle kind of confusioneven though, as you note, it is the ideal time for language acquistion. Does anyone have more precise information on this? L B S I asked my wife who has a masters in Infant development. Do it BEFORE elementary school. Would you trust *your* children to Mahesh's theories? Would you trust rumors that may not ahve any basis in fact in order to pass judgement on someone? Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings -- that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide. Was that directed to me, or to you? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Ever feel sad or cry for no reason at all? Depression. Narrated by Kate Hudson. http://us.click.yahoo.com/CQDrNC/ubOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
On Dec 9, 2005, at 7:49 AM, sparaig wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 9, 2005, at 3:36 AM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:On Dec 8, 2005, at 4:51 PM, L B Shriver wrote: I have found it interesting that at MSAE Maharishi doesn't allow 2nd language acquisition at the younger age (he may make an exception for Sanskrit) because he claims that for the youngster to speak something other than the "mother tongue" creates some subtle kind of confusion—even though, as you note, it is the ideal time for language acquistion. Does anyone have more precise information on this? L B S I asked my wife who has a masters in Infant development. Do it BEFORE elementary school. Would you trust *your* children to Mahesh's theories?Would you trust rumors that may not ahve any basis in fact in order to pass judgement on someone? "Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings -- that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide." Was that directed to me, or to you? Anyone. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
on 12/9/05 5:01 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It *was* kinda embarrassing; I had to buy some baggy pants for the duration. Fortunately I was on vacation and not doing training classes at the time, otherwise the students would've been making snide comments about my new laser pointer. :-) But at least now I know the secret of Billy and Mick's onstage charisma. When I'm not sleeping (I assume) and am rounding, the laser pointer is almost ever present. One of Nature's little impractacle jokes, I suspose. Having a laser pointer with the button stuck in the ON position is actually not that unusual for men who are engaging in extended periods of meditation, in my experience. Kundalini awakening, and all that. A friend of mine told me a very funny story about being called up in front of his high school class to speak when he happened to have an erection. It was hilarious as he told it. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Ever feel sad or cry for no reason at all? Depression. Narrated by Kate Hudson. http://us.click.yahoo.com/CQDrNC/ubOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 8, 2005, at 4:51 PM, L B Shriver wrote: I have found it interesting that at MSAE Maharishi doesn't allow 2nd language acquisition at the younger age (he may make an exception for Sanskrit) because he claims that for the youngster to speak something other than the mother tongue creates some subtle kind of confusioneven though, as you note, it is the ideal time for language acquistion. Does anyone have more precise information on this? I asked my wife who has a masters in Infant development. Do it BEFORE elementary school. Would you trust *your* children to Mahesh's theories? Would you trust rumors that may not ahve any basis in fact in order to pass judgement on someone? Even if it's true as stated by LBS, to decide not to trust one's children to MMY because his theories are not the same as those of someone who has a master's in infant development is a knee-jerk, thoughtless conclusion. The subtle confusion LBS refers to isn't necessarily in conflict with the principle that the younger the better in terms of second-language acquisition. The purported confusion may be on an entirely different level than that of facility in a second language. It isn't impossible that the optimal situation, in MMY's view, is a sort of trade-off between acquiring second-language facility and avoiding the subtle confusion. In other words, an older child may still be able to learn a second language well enough to become reasonably fluent in it at a point when learning it may no longer cause the subtle confusion. Or maybe not. But obviously we don't know enough, on the basis of LBS's account, to say either way. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Dying to be thin? Anorexia. Narrated by Julianne Moore. http://us.click.yahoo.com/abEMxA/sbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
On Dec 9, 2005, at 10:49 AM, authfriend wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 8, 2005, at 4:51 PM, L B Shriver wrote: I have found it interesting that at MSAE Maharishi doesn't allow 2nd language acquisition at the younger age (he may make an exception for Sanskrit) because he claims that for the youngster to speak something other than the "mother tongue" creates some subtle kind of confusion—even though, as you note, it is the ideal time for language acquistion. Does anyone have more precise information on this? I asked my wife who has a masters in Infant development. Do it BEFORE elementary school. Would you trust *your* children to Mahesh's theories? Would you trust rumors that may not ahve any basis in fact in order to pass judgement on someone? Even if it's true as stated by LBS, to decide not to trust one's children to MMY because his "theories" are not the same as those of someone who has a master's in infant development is a knee-jerk, thoughtless conclusion. It really has nothing to do with a degree or any reaction but that this an accepted scientific fact.Take it or leave it, it doesn't really matter to me.On a separate note I do know a number of yogis who used sadhana to help with knowledge acquisition and retention, often with great effect. Typically sadhanas of Jupiterian deities are of wonderful assistance. Now with growing recognition of neuroplasticity and the fact that the neural hardware tends to morph itself to the consciousness of the person--old neural pathways are not written in stone. This is wonderful news for education, recovery from abuse/addictions or criminal rehabilitation. Reminds me of a movie where criminals were put in suspended animation instead of jail and their neural-pathways "retrained" using computers linked the body-hardware (i.e. the brain/nervous system). To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 8, 2005, at 4:51 PM, L B Shriver wrote: I have found it interesting that at MSAE Maharishi doesn't allow 2nd language acquisition at the younger age (he may make an exception for Sanskrit) because he claims that for the youngster to speak something other than the mother tongue creates some subtle kind of confusioneven though, as you note, it is the ideal time for language acquistion. Does anyone have more precise information on this? I asked my wife who has a masters in Infant development. Do it BEFORE elementary school. Would you trust *your* children to Mahesh's theories? Would you trust rumors that may not ahve any basis in fact in order to pass judgement on someone? Even if it's true as stated by LBS, to decide not to trust one's children to MMY because his theories are not the same as those of someone who has a master's in infant development is a knee-jerk, thoughtless conclusion. The subtle confusion LBS refers to isn't necessarily in conflict with the principle that the younger the better in terms of second-language acquisition. The purported confusion may be on an entirely different level than that of facility in a second language. It isn't impossible that the optimal situation, in MMY's view, is a sort of trade-off between acquiring second-language facility and avoiding the subtle confusion. In other words, an older child may still be able to learn a second language well enough to become reasonably fluent in it at a point when learning it may no longer cause the subtle confusion. Or maybe not. But obviously we don't know enough, on the basis of LBS's account, to say either way. My experience has been that as a born English speaker I found no subtle confusion when very young being introduced to a language of the country I was in. For example, learning Spanish in Mexico, because I heard and spoke both languages daily. I also rapidly forgot the non-English language after leaving its country of origin. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Need Help? Get Help! Tools and Strategies for Healthy Drug-Free Living/a. http://us.click.yahoo.com/wI.OUB/dbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 9, 2005, at 10:49 AM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 8, 2005, at 4:51 PM, L B Shriver wrote: I have found it interesting that at MSAE Maharishi doesn't allow 2nd language acquisition at the younger age (he may make an exception for Sanskrit) because he claims that for the youngster to speak something other than the mother tongue creates some subtle kind of confusioneven though, as you note, it is the ideal time for language acquistion. Does anyone have more precise information on this? I asked my wife who has a masters in Infant development. Do it BEFORE elementary school. Would you trust *your* children to Mahesh's theories? Would you trust rumors that may not ahve any basis in fact in order to pass judgement on someone? Even if it's true as stated by LBS, to decide not to trust one's children to MMY because his theories are not the same as those of someone who has a master's in infant development is a knee-jerk, thoughtless conclusion. It really has nothing to do with a degree or any reaction but that this an accepted scientific fact. How odd, you seem to have deleted what I went on to say, which made it clear I wasn't questioning the accepted scientific fact. I'm sure it was inadvertent. You read the first paragraph of my response, jumped to the erroneous conclusion that I was disputing the science, and decided the rest of what I said must be more of the same and could therefore be ignored. Here, let me give you another chance to read what you snipped, so you can take a stab at making a relevant response: The subtle confusion LBS refers to isn't necessarily in conflict with the principle that the younger the better in terms of second-language acquisition. The purported confusion may be on an entirely different level than that of facility in a second language. It isn't impossible that the optimal situation, in MMY's view, is a sort of trade-off between acquiring second-language facility and avoiding the subtle confusion. In other words, an older child may still be able to learn a second language well enough to become reasonably fluent in it at a point when learning it may no longer cause the subtle confusion. Or maybe not. But obviously we don't know enough, on the basis of LBS's account, to say either way. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Drugs Don't Discriminate. Get help for yourself or someone you know. http://us.click.yahoo.com/0I.OUB/ZbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 8, 2005, at 4:51 PM, L B Shriver wrote: I have found it interesting that at MSAE Maharishi doesn't allow 2nd language acquisition at the younger age (he may make an exception for Sanskrit) because he claims that for the youngster to speak something other than the mother tongue creates some subtle kind of confusioneven though, as you note, it is the ideal time for language acquistion. Does anyone have more precise information on this? I asked my wife who has a masters in Infant development. Do it BEFORE elementary school. Would you trust *your* children to Mahesh's theories? Would you trust rumors that may not ahve any basis in fact in order to pass judgement on someone? Even if it's true as stated by LBS, to decide not to trust one's children to MMY because his theories are not the same as those of someone who has a master's in infant development is a knee-jerk, thoughtless conclusion. The subtle confusion LBS refers to isn't necessarily in conflict with the principle that the younger the better in terms of second-language acquisition. The purported confusion may be on an entirely different level than that of facility in a second language. It isn't impossible that the optimal situation, in MMY's view, is a sort of trade-off between acquiring second-language facility and avoiding the subtle confusion. In other words, an older child may still be able to learn a second language well enough to become reasonably fluent in it at a point when learning it may no longer cause the subtle confusion. Or maybe not. But obviously we don't know enough, on the basis of LBS's account, to say either way. My experience has been that as a born English speaker I found no subtle confusion when very young being introduced to a language of the country I was in. For example, learning Spanish in Mexico, because I heard and spoke both languages daily. I also rapidly forgot the non-English language after leaving its country of origin. The question in my mind is whether the confusion MMY is talking about is on such a subtle level that you *wouldn't* detect it as such--the point being that we really don't know what he's referring to. Until we have a clearer idea, it makes no sense to assume he's contradicting established scientific fact. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Need Help? Get Help! Tools and Strategies for Healthy Drug-Free Living/a. http://us.click.yahoo.com/wI.OUB/dbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
On Dec 9, 2005, at 11:29 AM, authfriend wrote:How odd, you seem to have deleted what I went on to say, which made it clear I wasn't questioning the accepted scientific fact. It wasn't clear to me.Despite repeated accusations of having some hidden agenda in the quoting of your email messages, there exists no such agenda, other than in your own consciousness.DISCLAIMER: The above message contains material quoted from another, longer, message. This is done for the sake of conciseness and brevity. Any perceived other reason is solely the responsibility of the reader. Any similarity to email messages existing or deleted is purely coincidental. Any reading of the message/email, or clipping/cut--pasting/ or verbal repetition of message/email constitutes acceptance of the terms of this disclaimer. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snippage My experience has been that as a born English speaker I found no subtle confusion when very young being introduced to a language of the country I was in. For example, learning Spanish in Mexico, because I heard and spoke both languages daily. I also rapidly forgot the non-English language after leaving its country of origin. The question in my mind is whether the confusion MMY is talking about is on such a subtle level that you *wouldn't* detect it as such--the point being that we really don't know what he's referring to. I mean no disrespect to him or to you, but if it is that subtle, from a practical standpoint, who cares? My benchmark for such things even as a child has been if it is creating undue strain, don't bother. On the other hand, if something seems readily available, take advantage of it... Reminds me of a larger issue, sort of related to the emotional healing vs TM discussion. After I had been meditating for awhile and been exposed to all of the esoteric Indian stuff and tried some of it on for size, I realized that as a person of the world, with a finite amount of time to devote to spiritual practice, I had to use common sense in what I adopted vs not. This then led to a growing sense of freedom that it was I who was most interested in enlightening myself, vs blindly accepting and following the precepts of the saints. It eventually made for a much more interesting journey, being empowered to deliberately choose from a menu of thought and practice what best suited my personal spiritual development. Until we have a clearer idea, it makes no sense to assume he's contradicting established scientific fact. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Dying to be thin? Anorexia. Narrated by Julianne Moore. http://us.click.yahoo.com/AQDrNC/sbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 9, 2005, at 11:29 AM, authfriend wrote: How odd, you seem to have deleted what I went on to say, which made it clear I wasn't questioning the accepted scientific fact. It wasn't clear to me. Well, let's have another look, shall we? (Since you snipped it again.) The subtle confusion LBS refers to isn't necessarily in conflict with the principle that the younger the better in terms of second-language acquisition. The purported confusion may be on an entirely different level than that of facility in a second language. It isn't impossible that the optimal situation, in MMY's view, is a sort of trade-off between acquiring second-language facility and avoiding the subtle confusion. In other words, an older child may still be able to learn a second language well enough to become reasonably fluent in it at a point when learning it may no longer cause the subtle confusion. Or maybe not. But obviously we don't know enough, on the basis of LBS's account, to say either way. Where in what I wrote do you see any suggestion that I was questioning accepted scientific fact? I repeat: I think you just *assumed*, in a knee-jerk fashion, that I would question established scientific fact because you have me erroneously pegged as a true believer (or just hope you can convince others to think I am). And therefore you didn't pay much attention to the rest of what I said. If you had, you'd have seen that I was actually accepting as a given that children learn languages more easily the younger they are. (One hint: that's why I referred to it as a principle rather than a theory.) Despite repeated accusations of having some hidden agenda in the quoting of your email messages, there exists no such agenda, other than in your own consciousness. Oh, goodness, it's not just *my* email messages (I assume you mean posts to FFL and alt.m.t) by any means. You even snip portions of your own earlier posts when they might conflict with or detract from whatever you're saying in your current post. In any case, the snipping is always in your own interest. I'm quite willing to believe, however, that the agenda may not be conscious. I suspect it's just become second nature, and you do it without even thinking about it. That out of the way, do you have any relevant comment on what I suggested, i.e., that we don't know enough about what MMY means to come to the conclusion, as you did, that he isn't to be trusted with children's education? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Does he tell you he loves you when he hits you? Abuse. Narrated by Halle Berry. http://us.click.yahoo.com/hemMeA/rbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
On Dec 9, 2005, at 12:11 PM, authfriend wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 9, 2005, at 11:29 AM, authfriend wrote: How odd, you seem to have deleted what I went on to say, which made it clear I wasn't questioning the accepted scientific fact. It wasn't clear to me. Well, let's have another look, shall we? (Since you snipped it again.) The "subtle confusion" LBS refers to isn't necessarily in conflict with the principle that the younger the better in terms of second-language acquisition. The purported confusion may be on an entirely different level than that of facility in a second language. It isn't impossible that the optimal situation, in MMY's view, is a sort of trade-off between acquiring second-language facility and avoiding the subtle confusion. In other words, an older child may still be able to learn a second language well enough to become reasonably fluent in it at a point when learning it may no longer cause the subtle confusion. Or maybe not. But obviously we don't know enough, on the basis of LBS's account, to say either way. Where in what I wrote do you see any suggestion that I was questioning accepted scientific fact? I repeat: I think you just *assumed*, in a knee-jerk fashion, that I would question established scientific fact because you have me erroneously pegged as a "true believer" (or just hope you can convince others to think I am). And therefore you didn't pay much attention to the rest of what I said. If you had, you'd have seen that I was actually accepting as a given that children learn languages more easily the younger they are. (One hint: that's why I referred to it as a "principle" rather than a "theory.") Despite repeated accusations of having some hidden agenda in the quoting of your email messages, there exists no such agenda, other than in your own consciousness. Oh, goodness, it's not just *my* "email messages" (I assume you mean posts to FFL and alt.m.t) by any means. You even snip portions of your own earlier posts when they might conflict with or detract from whatever you're saying in your current post. In any case, the snipping is always in your own interest. I'm quite willing to believe, however, that the agenda may not be conscious. I suspect it's just become second nature, and you do it without even thinking about it. That out of the way, do you have any relevant comment on what I suggested, i.e., that we don't know enough about what MMY means to come to the conclusion, as you did, that he isn't to be trusted with children's education? LOL. You read way too much into these things. Why do you think that is? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snippage My experience has been that as a born English speaker I found no subtle confusion when very young being introduced to a language of the country I was in. For example, learning Spanish in Mexico, because I heard and spoke both languages daily. I also rapidly forgot the non-English language after leaving its country of origin. The question in my mind is whether the confusion MMY is talking about is on such a subtle level that you *wouldn't* detect it as such--the point being that we really don't know what he's referring to. I mean no disrespect to him or to you, but if it is that subtle, from a practical standpoint, who cares? Sure, obviously it's an individual decision whether you want to worry about it on the basis of something MMY has said. I'm not advocating either way, and for all I know MMY could be completely wrong about it. I'm just saying that on the basis of what very little we know, it's not impossible that something could get screwed up on a very subtle level that would have some negative impact on grosser levels without the person necessarily being able to make the connection, or even realizing there had *been* a screwup. And if so, it might be something you'd want to avoid if you could, even if it did mean sacrificing some degree of ease of learning a second language as a tradeoff. Again, all I'm saying is that we can't rule this possibility out without knowing more about what MMY means. I'm not suggesting anybody even worry about it if they don't feel it's worth it. Just pointing out that the original conclusion that MMY can't be trusted with children's education in this regard isn't warranted on the basis of what information we have. There's just this knee-jerk kind of reaction that many here have, that if something MMY says doesn't immediately make perfect sense to us on its face, therefore it must be crazy and wrong. Maybe it is and maybe it isn't, but often the assumption is made on a very superficial basis. That's really all I'm getting at. My benchmark for such things even as a child has been if it is creating undue strain, don't bother. On the other hand, if something seems readily available, take advantage of it... Reminds me of a larger issue, sort of related to the emotional healing vs TM discussion. After I had been meditating for awhile and been exposed to all of the esoteric Indian stuff and tried some of it on for size, I realized that as a person of the world, with a finite amount of time to devote to spiritual practice, I had to use common sense in what I adopted vs not. This then led to a growing sense of freedom that it was I who was most interested in enlightening myself, vs blindly accepting and following the precepts of the saints. It eventually made for a much more interesting journey, being empowered to deliberately choose from a menu of thought and practice what best suited my personal spiritual development. Until we have a clearer idea, it makes no sense to assume he's contradicting established scientific fact. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Drugs Don't Discriminate. Get help for yourself or someone you know. http://us.click.yahoo.com/0I.OUB/ZbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snippage My experience has been that as a born English speaker I found no subtle confusion when very young being introduced to a language of the country I was in. For example, learning Spanish in Mexico, because I heard and spoke both languages daily. I also rapidly forgot the non-English language after leaving its country of origin. The question in my mind is whether the confusion MMY is talking about is on such a subtle level that you *wouldn't* detect it as such--the point being that we really don't know what he's referring to. I mean no disrespect to him or to you, but if it is that subtle, from a practical standpoint, who cares? Sure, obviously it's an individual decision whether you want to worry about it on the basis of something MMY has said. I'm not advocating either way, and for all I know MMY could be completely wrong about it. I'm just saying that on the basis of what very little we know, it's not impossible that something could get screwed up on a very subtle level that would have some negative impact on grosser levels without the person necessarily being able to make the connection, or even realizing there had *been* a screwup. And if so, it might be something you'd want to avoid if you could, even if it did mean sacrificing some degree of ease of learning a second language as a tradeoff. Again, all I'm saying is that we can't rule this possibility out without knowing more about what MMY means. I'm not suggesting anybody even worry about it if they don't feel it's worth it. Just pointing out that the original conclusion that MMY can't be trusted with children's education in this regard isn't warranted on the basis of what information we have. There's just this knee-jerk kind of reaction that many here have, that if something MMY says doesn't immediately make perfect sense to us on its face, therefore it must be crazy and wrong. Maybe it is and maybe it isn't, but often the assumption is made on a very superficial basis. That's really all I'm getting at. Oh OK. Yes, I agree with you. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Need Help? Get Help! Tools and Strategies for Healthy Drug-Free Living/a. http://us.click.yahoo.com/wI.OUB/dbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 9, 2005, at 12:11 PM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 9, 2005, at 11:29 AM, authfriend wrote: How odd, you seem to have deleted what I went on to say, which made it clear I wasn't questioning the accepted scientific fact. It wasn't clear to me. Well, let's have another look, shall we? (Since you snipped it again.) The subtle confusion LBS refers to isn't necessarily in conflict with the principle that the younger the better in terms of second-language acquisition. The purported confusion may be on an entirely different level than that of facility in a second language. It isn't impossible that the optimal situation, in MMY's view, is a sort of trade-off between acquiring second-language facility and avoiding the subtle confusion. In other words, an older child may still be able to learn a second language well enough to become reasonably fluent in it at a point when learning it may no longer cause the subtle confusion. Or maybe not. But obviously we don't know enough, on the basis of LBS's account, to say either way. Where in what I wrote do you see any suggestion that I was questioning accepted scientific fact? I repeat: I think you just *assumed*, in a knee-jerk fashion, that I would question established scientific fact because you have me erroneously pegged as a true believer (or just hope you can convince others to think I am). And therefore you didn't pay much attention to the rest of what I said. If you had, you'd have seen that I was actually accepting as a given that children learn languages more easily the younger they are. (One hint: that's why I referred to it as a principle rather than a theory.) Despite repeated accusations of having some hidden agenda in the quoting of your email messages, there exists no such agenda, other than in your own consciousness. Oh, goodness, it's not just *my* email messages (I assume you mean posts to FFL and alt.m.t) by any means. You even snip portions of your own earlier posts when they might conflict with or detract from whatever you're saying in your current post. In any case, the snipping is always in your own interest. I'm quite willing to believe, however, that the agenda may not be conscious. I suspect it's just become second nature, and you do it without even thinking about it. That out of the way, do you have any relevant comment on what I suggested, i.e., that we don't know enough about what MMY means to come to the conclusion, as you did, that he isn't to be trusted with children's education? LOL. You read way too much into these things. Why do you think that is? You seem to be assuming I think it's the case, but obviously I don't. I note that you *still* can't address what I suggested; nor are you able to say where in what I wrote you saw any hint that I was questioning established scientific facts. Now, why do you think *that* is? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Drugs Don't Discriminate. Get help for yourself or someone you know. http://us.click.yahoo.com/0I.OUB/ZbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
On Dec 9, 2005, at 1:08 PM, authfriend wrote:Now, why do you think *that* is? I don't like wasting my time on constant arguments? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
Considering the track record of the MSAE, would you trust your children, if you had them, to the teachers there? Let's see...by now most of the decent teachers have long ago left, not willing to work for no pay, no benefits, and for an oftentimes capricious administration that routinely makes decisions that show a breath-taking lack of concern for anyone, including the kids. Now personally I can't imagine why anyone would object to those things, but there you have it. And the few halfway decent teachers that have remained teach the boys, since the education of girls apparently doesn't matter at all. This basically gives the parents of girls few options except to spend even more $$ and time hiring private tutors. And the parents kids with any kind of disability, be it learning, speech, behavior, etc are told to either stuff it or take care of it on their own, since, of course, children going to school in paradise don't have those issues. Sal On Dec 9, 2005, at 11:11 AM, authfriend wrote: That out of the way, do you have any relevant comment on what I suggested, i.e., that we don't know enough about what MMY means to come to the conclusion, as you did, that he isn't to be trusted with children's education?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] The question in my mind is whether the confusion MMY is talking about is on such a subtle level that you *wouldn't* detect it as such--the point being that we really don't know what he's referring to. Until we have a clearer idea, it makes no sense to assume he's contradicting established scientific fact. And of course, we don't know what is being referred to in the first place, since MY recollection is merely that MMY didn't like second languages being taught outside their country-of-use because it was inefficient and [presumeably] a waste of time. My first Japanese teacher is finishing up his doctorate in educational linguistics (my term). He's been doing research on interesting things like how native speakers move their eyes while reading their native language as opposed to secondary language speakers. Apparently there's a very striking difference that is quite consistent. His own comments in class,based on his years of study inthe field, about the utility of foreign language instruction outside a native- speaking country are very inline with what *I* have heard that MMY say about it. Ihaven't heard before that MMY says its not a good to learn a second laguage early on. In fact, given that most educated Indians are at least somewhat bilingual from exposure in school, including himself and apparently Gurudev, that would be rather silly. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Drugs Don't Discriminate. Get help for yourself or someone you know. http://us.click.yahoo.com/0I.OUB/ZbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Considering the track record of the MSAE, would you trust your children, if you had them, to the teachers there? The track record has always seemed rather good. Has this changed? Let's see...by now most of the decent teachers have long ago left, not willing to work for no pay, no benefits, and for an oftentimes capricious administration that routinely makes decisions that show a breath-taking lack of concern for anyone, including the kids. I can't comment on these assertions, but has the school changed inthe past few months and years. National Merit Scholarship and semi- finalists don't grow on trees. Nor do exceptionaly high scores on standardized tests. Now personally I can't imagine why anyone would object to those things, but there you have it. And the few halfway decent teachers that have remained teach the boys, since the education of girls apparently doesn't matter at all. This basically gives the parents of girls few options except to spend even more $$ and time hiring private tutors. Do you have documentation that there is such a dichotomy in educational treatment? And the parents kids with any kind of disability, be it learning, speech, behavior, etc are told to either stuff it or take care of it on their own, since, of course, children going to school in paradise don't have those issues. Heh. Screening takes all forms. Few public charter schools are willing to deal with extreme special needs kids and the way Arizona law is set up, they don't have to. Aside from wheelchair access andthe like, charter schools aren't required to be equiped for arbitrary special needs because, by definition, charter schools are specializing in special needs already. Most private schools operate the same way: if your child doesn't fit the curriculum or facility, then they don't modify the curriculum or the facilities to accomidate the child -- the child has to go somewhere that DOES accomidate them. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Drugs Don't Discriminate. Get help for yourself or someone you know. http://us.click.yahoo.com/0I.OUB/ZbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Considering the track record of the MSAE, would you trust your children, if you had them, to the teachers there? Let's see...I believe the context of my post was MMY's reported notion that very young children shouldn't be taught second languages because it causes some kind of subtle confusion. I'm having a little trouble seeing how the things you list have anything to do with that. Would you care to elaborate? (And frankly, I don't take what you knee-jerk anti-TMOers have to say about the horrors of the TMO any more seriously than I do what the TBers have to say about its glories. I consider the perspective of both groups rather seriously warped.) Let's see...by now most of the decent teachers have long ago left, not willing to work for no pay, no benefits, and for an oftentimes capricious administration that routinely makes decisions that show a breath-taking lack of concern for anyone, including the kids. Now personally I can't imagine why anyone would object to those things, but there you have it. And the few halfway decent teachers that have remained teach the boys, since the education of girls apparently doesn't matter at all. This basically gives the parents of girls few options except to spend even more $$ and time hiring private tutors. And the parents kids with any kind of disability, be it learning, speech, behavior, etc are told to either stuff it or take care of it on their own, since, of course, children going to school in paradise don't have those issues. Sal On Dec 9, 2005, at 11:11 AM, authfriend wrote: That out of the way, do you have any relevant comment on what I suggested, i.e., that we don't know enough about what MMY means to come to the conclusion, as you did, that he isn't to be trusted with children's education? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Does he tell you he loves you when he hits you? Abuse. Narrated by Halle Berry. http://us.click.yahoo.com/HcoraC/rbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
On Dec 9, 2005, at 2:34 PM, authfriend wrote: Let's see...I believe the context of my post was MMY's reported notion that very young children shouldn't be taught second languages because it causes some kind of subtle confusion. And what exactly gives you the impression that MMY knows *anything* about what children need, or what causes confusion or anything else? All the experience he's had raising them? I'm having a little trouble seeing how the things you list have anything to do with that. Would you care to elaborate? I'm obviously experiencing subtle confusion. Must have been the Spanish I took in grade school. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 9, 2005, at 2:34 PM, authfriend wrote: Let's see...I believe the context of my post was MMY's reported notion that very young children shouldn't be taught second languages because it causes some kind of subtle confusion. And what exactly gives you the impression that MMY knows *anything* about what children need, or what causes confusion or anything else? All the experience he's had raising them? I don't believe I said I had that impression. Do you think you're reading more than is there into what I'm writing? I'm having a little trouble seeing how the things you list have anything to do with that. Would you care to elaborate? I'm obviously experiencing subtle confusion. Must have been the Spanish I took in grade school. Sal Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Dying to be thin? Anorexia. Narrated by Julianne Moore. http://us.click.yahoo.com/AQDrNC/sbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Sad story. Laura worked with me in the Western Regional Office in L.A. for a while. Sweet lady. May she have a speedy and pleasant trip through the Bardo, and end up in a dimension that is closed to pissants like the ones who drove her out of Austin. Unc --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tom, was Laura Calvert at MIU? The name is so familiar, but I can't a face to the name. Perhaps I can answer your question. Laura Calvert was an Okie who migrated to Austin, TX because she was a groupie and because she had friends with money (one of them was Tom) who helped her out. She was a well known figure at MIU for years. She was on staff and then worked for one of the Dare to Rip off the Rabble and Wind up in Jail companies in FF (sidhas are so superior to the rabble as Dr. Pete will attest). When the Dare to Rip off the Rabble company prospered, Laura used to spend her money on plane tickets to Austin. Laura ruined her credit by reopening and supporting the Austin TM Center after Dare went to prison and the company folded, in direct opposition to the people of Radiance, TX, who wanted her gunned down or at least run out of town. Texans are so genteel, as GW Bush the Connecticut native will attest. She was, after all, so declasse. Imagine. An Okie teaching TM within blocks of the Univerity of Teasippers. She didn't even have a law degree like the people who ran the original TM center on Guadalupe and formed and populated Radiance with their pocket change, my Gawd! Purusha came, took over the Austin TM Center then closed it down. Laura received sponsorship to go to many courses and eventually decided to accept sponsorship for the rest of her life on Mother Divine. Actually most likely the sponsorship was handmaidenship. It was and maybe still is the practice to employ servants and offer them sponsorhip on MD in exchange for their cooking and cleaning and sucking up to those with the superiority only money can buy. Laura apparantly got ill and went home to Oklahoma to die. She is survived by her parents and her smoking, beer swilling good ole' boy brothers. Laura was so proud of herself years ago she emailed Tom about how she was following the Blood Type Diet and had not eaten a single thing with transfatty acids in it in years. She's also survived by Tom, with whom she had a falling out because one evening she called Tom on his 700 number (Tom gave Laura a pin which reversed the long distance charges) and took great umbradge with Tom because he had obviously been drinking. Reminds one of Edith Bunker's brother who died of a heart attack while jogging back from the heathfood store. When Laura ran the Austin TM Center she made Mother Tereass look like a greedy snob. Another reason the populace of Radiance,TX, founded and populated by greedy snobs, used legal action to take over the Austin TM Center and toss Laura out of it and out of town. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Ever feel sad or cry for no reason at all? Depression. Narrated by Kate Hudson. http://us.click.yahoo.com/YbEMxA/ubOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 12/7/05 7:17 PM, anonymousff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tom, was Laura Calvert at MIU? The name is so familiar, but I can't a face to the name. Perhaps I can answer your question. Laura Calvert was an Okie who migrated to Austin, TX because she was a groupie and because she had friends with money (one of them was Tom) who helped her out. Are you referring to Tom Pall? Yes. Tom was never by any stretch of the imagination rich. But he managed all his life to make a good income, spent most of his life single and often cared more about giving to others than keeping for himself. He grew up in a thrify household which didn't even believe in buying a house on credit until one had saved enough to buy one outright. He was, when all the ladies came back from Governor Training talked up as a good catch and is till considered to be one today. You'd probably have to be a woman to understand their way of thinking. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Need Help? Get Help! Tools and Strategies for Healthy Drug-Free Living/a. http://us.click.yahoo.com/wI.OUB/dbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are you referring to Tom Pall? Yes. Tom was never by any stretch of the imagination rich. But he managed all his life to make a good income, spent most of his life single and often cared more about giving to others than keeping for himself. He grew up in a thrify household which didn't even believe in buying a house on credit until one had saved enough to buy one outright. He was, when all the ladies came back from Governor Training talked up as a good catch and is till considered to be one today. You'd probably have to be a woman to understand their way of thinking. I don't know about anyone else, but I find the concept of women thinking of a man as a good catch because of his income more offensive than any of the racist epithets attributed here to Tom. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Dying to be thin? Anorexia. Narrated by Julianne Moore. http://us.click.yahoo.com/AQDrNC/sbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are you referring to Tom Pall? Yes. Tom was never by any stretch of the imagination rich. But he managed all his life to make a good income, spent most of his life single and often cared more about giving to others than keeping for himself. He grew up in a thrify household which didn't even believe in buying a house on credit until one had saved enough to buy one outright. He was, when all the ladies came back from Governor Training talked up as a good catch and is till considered to be one today. You'd probably have to be a woman to understand their way of thinking. I don't know about anyone else, but I find the concept of women thinking of a man as a good catch because of his income more offensive than any of the racist epithets attributed here to Tom. It wasn't just his income. It was his warmth and caring. He had been and could have become again a very devoted, loving husband. And unlike many guys in the TM Movement or on the periphery, he was straight. Many women, including Laura, told Tom how much an issue was that. OK, now flame on about that slam. You can't win for losing in this group, can you? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Does he tell you he loves you when he hits you? Abuse. Narrated by Halle Berry. http://us.click.yahoo.com/hemMeA/rbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sad story. Laura worked with me in the Western Regional Office in L.A. for a while. Sweet lady. May she have a speedy and pleasant trip through the Bardo, and end up in a dimension that is closed to pissants like the ones who drove her out of Austin. Unc So life is not a bowl of cherries for all of us and a little charity and love instead of the constant grand slam this group is noted for is sometimes appropriate, be the poster sweet or not? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Ever feel sad or cry for no reason at all? Depression. Narrated by Kate Hudson. http://us.click.yahoo.com/CQDrNC/ubOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know about anyone else, but I find the concept of women thinking of a man as a good catch because of his income more offensive than any of the racist epithets attributed here to Tom. It wasn't just his income. It was his warmth and caring. He had been and could have become again a very devoted, loving husband. And unlike many guys in the TM Movement or on the periphery, he was straight. Many women, including Laura, told Tom how much an issue was that. OK, now flame on about that slam. You can't win for losing in this group, can you? Thanks for the clarification. No flames. Having spent far too much time in California, around women who literally talked in terms of having a prosperous first marriage, so that they never had to work a day in their lives, I'm a bit sensitive to female money-grubbing. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Dying to be thin? Anorexia. Narrated by Julianne Moore. http://us.click.yahoo.com/AQDrNC/sbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the clarification. No flames. Having spent far too much time in California, around women who literally talked in terms of having a prosperous first marriage, so that they never had to work a day in their lives, I'm a bit sensitive to female money-grubbing. :-) Being a guy every once in a while, I can understand the concept of money grubbing. There's a famous country singer who announced two decades ago that he's given up on marriage. He's found it much easier on the psyche every few years to go and buy a house and give it to a woman he can't stand. Perhaps you should spend some time working out with the guys, showering with them and sharing a few beers afterwards. If you thought Tom appeared to have some unflattering things to say about women and their motives... Quite seriously, there was a mad rush in places like Dallas by ladies who had come back from Governor Training to get the best rising sidha man with an income. Tom was accosted by a Governor who's name sounded like and who looked like she was a Blackfoot Indian but was in fact of Welch extraction. She married a real geek who worked at TI because the man she had had a couple of enjoyable walk and talks with on a CAC prep course in Forrestburg, TX insulted her and all of Governer- and Women-kind by not proposing to her on the spot. Here he was cute, witty, charming, gentlemanly and prosperous and she had to settle for second best because Tom left her at the alter during one of those walk and talks. Tom's head still reels when he remembers the rage directed at him by the woman he unknowingly and unwittingly ??jilted??. Perhaps what every other women has told Tom is right: men are boys who never grow up and unsensitive louts to boot. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Ever feel sad or cry for no reason at all? Depression. Narrated by Kate Hudson. http://us.click.yahoo.com/CQDrNC/ubOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sad story. Laura worked with me in the Western Regional Office in L.A. for a while. Sweet lady. May she have a speedy and pleasant trip through the Bardo, and end up in a dimension that is closed to pissants like the ones who drove her out of Austin. Amen and Bon Voyage. We love you Laura. L B S --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tom, was Laura Calvert at MIU? The name is so familiar, but I can't a face to the name. Perhaps I can answer your question. Laura Calvert was an Okie who migrated to Austin, TX because she was a groupie and because she had friends with money (one of them was Tom) who helped her out. She was a well known figure at MIU for years. She was on staff and then worked for one of the Dare to Rip off the Rabble and Wind up in Jail companies in FF (sidhas are so superior to the rabble as Dr. Pete will attest). When the Dare to Rip off the Rabble company prospered, Laura used to spend her money on plane tickets to Austin. Laura ruined her credit by reopening and supporting the Austin TM Center after Dare went to prison and the company folded, in direct opposition to the people of Radiance, TX, who wanted her gunned down or at least run out of town. Texans are so genteel, as GW Bush the Connecticut native will attest. She was, after all, so declasse. Imagine. An Okie teaching TM within blocks of the Univerity of Teasippers. She didn't even have a law degree like the people who ran the original TM center on Guadalupe and formed and populated Radiance with their pocket change, my Gawd! Purusha came, took over the Austin TM Center then closed it down. Laura received sponsorship to go to many courses and eventually decided to accept sponsorship for the rest of her life on Mother Divine. Actually most likely the sponsorship was handmaidenship. It was and maybe still is the practice to employ servants and offer them sponsorhip on MD in exchange for their cooking and cleaning and sucking up to those with the superiority only money can buy. Laura apparantly got ill and went home to Oklahoma to die. She is survived by her parents and her smoking, beer swilling good ole' boy brothers. Laura was so proud of herself years ago she emailed Tom about how she was following the Blood Type Diet and had not eaten a single thing with transfatty acids in it in years. She's also survived by Tom, with whom she had a falling out because one evening she called Tom on his 700 number (Tom gave Laura a pin which reversed the long distance charges) and took great umbradge with Tom because he had obviously been drinking. Reminds one of Edith Bunker's brother who died of a heart attack while jogging back from the heathfood store. When Laura ran the Austin TM Center she made Mother Tereass look like a greedy snob. Another reason the populace of Radiance,TX, founded and populated by greedy snobs, used legal action to take over the Austin TM Center and toss Laura out of it and out of town. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Dying to be thin? Anorexia. Narrated by Julianne Moore. http://us.click.yahoo.com/abEMxA/sbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are you referring to Tom Pall? Yes. Tom was never by any stretch of the imagination rich. But he managed all his life to make a good income, spent most of his life single and often cared more about giving to others than keeping for himself. He grew up in a thrify household which didn't even believe in buying a house on credit until one had saved enough to buy one outright. He was, when all the ladies came back from Governor Training talked up as a good catch and is till considered to be one today. You'd probably have to be a woman to understand their way of thinking. I don't know about anyone else, but I find the concept of women thinking of a man as a good catch because of his income more offensive than any of the racist epithets attributed here to Tom. Why would you be offended by this? It's a simple fact of life, affirmed to be so by many intelligent women in private conversation and also by normal observations. A fairly smart guy with some expertise in this area told me once that men who want to be loved for themselves, and not for their incomes, basically want mother love from their spouses, and are not confident about their abilities to be a provider. I am not pointing a finger here, nor making an accusation. This is just what came up in repsonsive to your remarks above regarding what you found offensive. L B S Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Dying to be thin? Anorexia. Narrated by Julianne Moore. http://us.click.yahoo.com/abEMxA/sbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
On Dec 8, 2005, at 10:43 AM, L B Shriver wrote:Why would you be offended by this? It's a simple fact of life, affirmed to be so by many intelligent women in private conversation and also by normal observations. A fairly smart guy with some expertise in this area told me once that men who want to be loved "for themselves", and not for their incomes, basically want mother love from their spouses, and are not confident about their abilities to be a "provider". I am not pointing a finger here, nor making an accusation. This is just what came up in repsonsive to your remarks above regarding what you found "offensive". It has been said: "money is the greatest aphrodisiac." To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip It has been said: money is the greatest aphrodisiac. According to Dr Kissinger, POWER is the greatest aphrodisiac. L B S Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Does he tell you he loves you when he hits you? Abuse. Narrated by Halle Berry. http://us.click.yahoo.com/HcoraC/rbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
On Dec 8, 2005, at 10:53 AM, L B Shriver wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip It has been said: "money is the greatest aphrodisiac." According to Dr Kissinger, POWER is the greatest aphrodisiac. L B S and 'money is power'. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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I don't know about anyone else, but I find the concept of women thinking of a man as a good catch because of his income more offensive than any of the racist epithets attributed here to Tom. Why would you be offended by this? It's a simple fact of life, affirmed to be so by many intelligent women in private conversation and also by normal observations. No argument there. It's just that personally I would never have anything to do with any woman who was interested in me for my money (not that I have a lot of it). I *know* that it's a factor in many women's search for a partner; it's just that I'm not searching for many women, just one who is looking for a little more out of life than an easy life. A fairly smart guy with some expertise in this area told me once that men who want to be loved for themselves, and not for their incomes, basically want mother love from their spouses, and are not confident about their abilities to be a provider. I agree with the first phrase, but not with the latter. I'm already a provider for several people I'm not married to or involved with in a romantic sense; that's not an issue. I help to support them (some of them are artists whose work I support) primrily *because* they never asked for or expected anything from me. I liked their work, I liked their intent, so I help to support them. None of them takes me for granted or feels that he or she has a free ride from me; they all work to support *themselves*, and I help out as much as I can. That seems to me to be a fairly sound basis for a romantic/ marriage relationship as well. In other words, the chances of me becoming the sole provider for someone who just sits back and does nothing to support herself are pretty much nil. :-) I am not pointing a finger here, nor making an accusation. This is just what came up in repsonsive to your remarks above regarding what you found offensive. No problem with it coming up. It's just a personal preference with me. I got so disgusted with the money-grubbing mentality of California women (espec- ially Southern California women) that I left the state, never to return. I think it's something in the water there. :-) Call me a hopeless romantic (actually, I'm more of a hopeful romantic), but I'm still holding out for someone who has less pragmatic and more cosmic reasons for forming a relationship than finding someone to pay her bills. Unc Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Dying to be thin? Anorexia. Narrated by Julianne Moore. http://us.click.yahoo.com/AQDrNC/sbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It has been said: money is the greatest aphrodisiac. Whoever said that has obviously never visited a good Chinese tonic herbalist. I knew such an herbalist once, who supplied tonic herbal teas (including some that were rather powerful yang tonics) to the rich and famous. I once got to sample some of the tea he was brewing up for an order for Billy Idol and Mick Jagger. Had a hardon for three days. No joke. The teas in question, however, cost a bloody fortune because of the rarities of the herbs in them, more than I could ever afford. So I guess there is some truth in equating money with the quality of one's aphrodisiacs. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Drugs Don't Discriminate. Get help for yourself or someone you know. http://us.click.yahoo.com/0I.OUB/ZbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sad story. Laura worked with me in the Western Regional Office in L.A. for a while. Sweet lady. May she have a speedy and pleasant trip through the Bardo, and end up in a dimension that is closed to pissants like the ones who drove her out of Austin. Amen and Bon Voyage. We love you Laura. L B S And all of us in different ways. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Does he tell you he loves you when he hits you? Abuse. Narrated by Halle Berry. http://us.click.yahoo.com/HcoraC/rbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
On Dec 8, 2005, at 11:10 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It has been said: "money is the greatest aphrodisiac." Whoever said that has obviously never visited a good Chinese tonic herbalist. I knew such an herbalist once, who supplied tonic herbal teas (including some that were rather powerful yang tonics) to the rich and famous. I once got to sample some of the tea he was brewing up for an order for Billy Idol and Mick Jagger. Had a hardon for three days. No joke. The teas in question, however, cost a bloody fortune because of the rarities of the herbs in them, more than I could ever afford. So I guess there is some truth in equating money with the quality of one's aphrodisiacs. :-) Ever try the aphrodisiac the TM movement sells in India? It has humanized mercury as one of it's ingredients. Good stuff--although I've had better. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It has been said: money is the greatest aphrodisiac. But more often power is the greatest aprhodisiac. Don't get me started on the J.A.P. jokes about what ends that lust. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Need Help? Get Help! Tools and Strategies for Healthy Drug-Free Living/a. http://us.click.yahoo.com/wI.OUB/dbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: According to Dr Kissinger, POWER is the greatest aphrodisiac. L B S Add to it a German accent that's pure affectation. Henry's brother has no accent. I know a guy who went from talking like a Damned Yankee to a Texan in just a few years but Henry hasn't learned to talk like a Georgetown resident in 70 years. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Ever feel sad or cry for no reason at all? Depression. Narrated by Kate Hudson. http://us.click.yahoo.com/YbEMxA/ubOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No problem with it coming up. It's just a personal preference with me. I got so disgusted with the money-grubbing mentality of California women (espec- ially Southern California women) that I left the state, never to return. I think it's something in the water there. :-) I loved the If you're straight or even bi I'm yours. Take me, you fool. mentality of SF, CA two decades ago. I had to struggle with offers to become a women's mister (I guess that's the masculine of mistress in this context) about once a month. Being treated like a sex object was a bit uncomfortable, however. It was rough but beat out Tom's experience at 7 by a mile. So who did I hook up with? Dawn, of the Age of Enlightenment who left me for a mere boy who wanted to get married. She died soon afterwards. Hmm. I seem to have this effect upon women. Any obscenely wealthy women wanting to get married sans prenup? It is said a man who marries for money earns it. With my batting average I wouldn't have to work that long to earn it. Gallows humor to assuage the grief. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Dying to be thin? Anorexia. Narrated by Julianne Moore. http://us.click.yahoo.com/AQDrNC/sbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
--- anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No problem with it coming up. It's just a personal preference with me. I got so disgusted with the money-grubbing mentality of California women (espec- ially Southern California women) that I left the state, never to return. I think it's something in the water there. :-) I loved the If you're straight or even bi I'm yours. Take me, you fool. mentality of SF, CA two decades ago. I had to struggle with offers to become a women's mister (I guess that's the masculine of mistress in this context) about once a month. Being treated like a sex object was a bit uncomfortable, however. It was rough but beat out Tom's experience at 7 by a mile. So who did I hook up with? Dawn, of the Age of Enlightenment who left me for a mere boy who wanted to get married. She died soon afterwards. Hmm. I seem to have this effect upon women. Any obscenely wealthy women wanting to get married sans prenup? It is said a man who marries for money earns it. With my batting average I wouldn't have to work that long to earn it. Gallows humor to assuage the grief. Was that Dawn, a former MIU student in the early days? Blond hair? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Dying to be thin? Anorexia. Narrated by Julianne Moore. http://us.click.yahoo.com/AQDrNC/sbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Drugs Don't Discriminate. Get help for yourself or someone you know. http://us.click.yahoo.com/0I.OUB/ZbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Whoever said that has obviously never visited a good Chinese tonic herbalist. I knew such an herbalist once, who supplied tonic herbal teas (including some that were rather powerful yang tonics) to the rich and famous. I once got to sample some of the tea he was brewing up for an order for Billy Idol and Mick Jagger. Had a hardon for three days. No joke. According to the Viagra commercials on TV here in the hahahaha The Home of the Brave and the Free hahahahaha, any such condition which lasts for me than 3 hours should immediately be reported to one's doctor. Dr. Jordan's answering service. Would you state your condition so the Doctor can get right back to you? What's that you say? You've had a Purple Heart on for more than 3 hours? Well, on behalf of a gratful nation Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Drugs Don't Discriminate. Get help for yourself or someone you know. http://us.click.yahoo.com/0I.OUB/ZbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gallows humor to assuage the grief. Was that Dawn, a former MIU student in the early days? Blond hair? A bit zoftig, tended to space out and stare at the palms of her hands in utter amazement for years after her TTC? Taught in FTL during the Merv wave? Full lips and ...? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Need Help? Get Help! Tools and Strategies for Healthy Drug-Free Living/a. http://us.click.yahoo.com/wI.OUB/dbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are you referring to Tom Pall? Yes. Tom was never by any stretch of the imagination rich. But he managed all his life to make a good income, spent most of his life single and often cared more about giving to others than keeping for himself. He grew up in a thrify household which didn't even believe in buying a house on credit until one had saved enough to buy one outright. He was, when all the ladies came back from Governor Training talked up as a good catch and is till considered to be one today. You'd probably have to be a woman to understand their way of thinking. I don't know about anyone else, but I find the concept of women thinking of a man as a good catch because of his income more offensive than any of the racist epithets attributed here to Tom. Many women DO think that way. Many women look for the perfect lover, or the big cock, or the whatever. You gets the kind of woman that you advertises for. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Need Help? Get Help! Tools and Strategies for Healthy Drug-Free Living/a. http://us.click.yahoo.com/wI.OUB/dbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 12/7/05 7:17 PM, anonymousff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tom, was Laura Calvert at MIU? The name is so familiar, but I can't a face to the name. Perhaps I can answer your question. Laura Calvert was an Okie who migrated to Austin, TX because she was a groupie and because she had friends with money (one of them was Tom) who helped her out. Are you referring to Tom Pall? Yes. Tom was never by any stretch of the imagination rich. But he managed all his life to make a good income, spent most of his life single and often cared more about giving to others than keeping for himself. He grew up in a thrify household which didn't even believe in buying a house on credit until one had saved enough to buy one outright. He was, when all the ladies came back from Governor Training talked up as a good catch and is till considered to be one today. You'd probably have to be a woman to understand their way of thinking. Women must be different on Governor Training since I'm worth as reasonable bit on paper,owning lots of property, but no-one appears to think of moi as a good catch. Of course, I don't advertise, having learned that whatever you advertise, is the kind of person you attract. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Dying to be thin? Anorexia. Narrated by Julianne Moore. http://us.click.yahoo.com/AQDrNC/sbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know about anyone else, but I find the concept of women thinking of a man as a good catch because of his income more offensive than any of the racist epithets attributed here to Tom. It wasn't just his income. It was his warmth and caring. He had been and could have become again a very devoted, loving husband. And unlike many guys in the TM Movement or on the periphery, he was straight. Many women, including Laura, told Tom how much an issue was that. OK, now flame on about that slam. You can't win for losing in this group, can you? Thanks for the clarification. No flames. Having spent far too much time in California, around women who literally talked in terms of having a prosperous first marriage, so that they never had to work a day in their lives, I'm a bit sensitive to female money-grubbing. :-) So its not the concept, but the reality. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Drugs Don't Discriminate. Get help for yourself or someone you know. http://us.click.yahoo.com/0I.OUB/ZbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are you referring to Tom Pall? Yes. Tom was never by any stretch of the imagination rich. But he managed all his life to make a good income, spent most of his life single and often cared more about giving to others than keeping for himself. He grew up in a thrify household which didn't even believe in buying a house on credit until one had saved enough to buy one outright. He was, when all the ladies came back from Governor Training talked up as a good catch and is till considered to be one today. You'd probably have to be a woman to understand their way of thinking. I don't know about anyone else, but I find the concept of women thinking of a man as a good catch because of his income more offensive than any of the racist epithets attributed here to Tom. Why would you be offended by this? It's a simple fact of life, affirmed to be so by many intelligent women in private conversation and also by normal observations. A fairly smart guy with some expertise in this area told me once that men who want to be loved for themselves, and not for their incomes, basically want mother love from their spouses, and are not confident about their abilities to be a provider. Which means that the multi-millionaire in the Doris Day story (I think it was) who pretended to be destitute in order to find true love was insecure about his ability to provide? And of course, the sorta-remake with Eddie Murphy, Coming to America, was all about how insecure the prince was financially... I am not pointing a finger here, nor making an accusation. This is just what came up in repsonsive to your remarks above regarding what you found offensive. L B S Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Dying to be thin? Anorexia. Narrated by Julianne Moore. http://us.click.yahoo.com/abEMxA/sbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Whoever said that has obviously never visited a good Chinese tonic herbalist. I knew such an herbalist once, who supplied tonic herbal teas (including some that were rather powerful yang tonics) to the rich and famous. I once got to sample some of the tea he was brewing up for an order for Billy Idol and Mick Jagger. Had a hardon for three days. No joke. According to the Viagra commercials on TV here in the hahahaha The Home of the Brave and the Free hahahahaha, any such condition which lasts for me than 3 hours should immediately be reported to one's doctor. Dr. Jordan's answering service. Would you state your condition so the Doctor can get right back to you? What's that you say? You've had a Purple Heart on for more than 3 hours? Well, on behalf of a gratful nation It *was* kinda embarrassing; I had to buy some baggy pants for the duration. Fortunately I was on vacation and not doing training classes at the time, otherwise the students would've been making snide comments about my new laser pointer. :-) But at least now I know the secret of Billy and Mick's onstage charisma. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Dying to be thin? Anorexia. Narrated by Julianne Moore. http://us.click.yahoo.com/abEMxA/sbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip It has been said: money is the greatest aphrodisiac. According to Dr Kissinger, POWER is the greatest aphrodisiac. L B S Being a sports superstar, according to Wilt... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Ever feel sad or cry for no reason at all? Depression. Narrated by Kate Hudson. http://us.click.yahoo.com/YbEMxA/ubOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 8, 2005, at 10:53 AM, L B Shriver wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip It has been said: money is the greatest aphrodisiac. According to Dr Kissinger, POWER is the greatest aphrodisiac. L B S and 'money is power'. Only if you know how to use it. Your average record-breaking lottery winner isn't going to have much power, even if they manage to hold onto most of their wealth. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Does he tell you he loves you when he hits you? Abuse. Narrated by Halle Berry. http://us.click.yahoo.com/hemMeA/rbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know about anyone else, but I find the concept of women thinking of a man as a good catch because of his income more offensive than any of the racist epithets attributed here to Tom. Why would you be offended by this? It's a simple fact of life, affirmed to be so by many intelligent women in private conversation and also by normal observations. No argument there. It's just that personally I would never have anything to do with any woman who was interested in me for my money (not that I have a lot of it). I *know* that it's a factor in many women's search for a partner; it's just that I'm not searching for many women, just one who is looking for a little more out of life than an easy life. Looking for a good provider is an essential thing for a sane woman who is hoping to raise a family unless she is already well-to-do. The problem is when you make money the MOST important part of who you're looking for. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Need Help? Get Help! Tools and Strategies for Healthy Drug-Free Living/a. http://us.click.yahoo.com/wI.OUB/dbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
How about men thinking of women as good catches based on looks and/or family connections? Sal On Dec 8, 2005, at 6:53 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: I don't know about anyone else, but I find the concept of women thinking of a man as a good catch because of his income more offensive than any of the racist epithets attributed here to Tom.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
On Dec 8, 2005, at 12:30 PM, sparaig wrote:Women must be different on Governor Training since I'm worth as reasonable bit on paper,owning lots of property, but no-one appears to think of moi as a "good catch." Should we feign surprise? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How about men thinking of women as good catches based on looks and/or family connections? Pretty much the same level of stupidity. You get what you settle for. On Dec 8, 2005, at 6:53 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: I don't know about anyone else, but I find the concept of women thinking of a man as a good catch because of his income more offensive than any of the racist epithets attributed here to Tom. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Need Help? Get Help! Tools and Strategies for Healthy Drug-Free Living/a. http://us.click.yahoo.com/wI.OUB/dbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Looking for a good provider is an essential thing for a sane woman who is hoping to raise a family unless she is already well-to-do. The problem is when you make money the MOST important part of who you're looking for. After that looking for a winning divorce attorney, retaining custody and being a good housekeeper doesn't hurt either. Sorry. Been working out, showering and having some beers with the guys afterward a bit too often. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Dying to be thin? Anorexia. Narrated by Julianne Moore. http://us.click.yahoo.com/AQDrNC/sbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How about men thinking of women as good catches based on looks and/or family connections? Pretty much the same level of stupidity. You get what you settle for. It's not who we are, Harley, it's what we've settled on being. -- Thelma and Louise Drop In To See The Grand Canyon Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Dying to be thin? Anorexia. Narrated by Julianne Moore. http://us.click.yahoo.com/abEMxA/sbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It *was* kinda embarrassing; I had to buy some baggy pants for the duration. Fortunately I was on vacation and not doing training classes at the time, otherwise the students would've been making snide comments about my new laser pointer. :-) But at least now I know the secret of Billy and Mick's onstage charisma. When I'm not sleeping (I assume) and am rounding, the laser pointer is almost ever present. One of Nature's little impractacle jokes, I suspose. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Need Help? Get Help! Tools and Strategies for Healthy Drug-Free Living/a. http://us.click.yahoo.com/wI.OUB/dbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know about anyone else, but I find the concept of women thinking of a man as a good catch because of his income more offensive than any of the racist epithets attributed here to Tom. Why would you be offended by this? It's a simple fact of life, affirmed to be so by many intelligent women in private conversation and also by normal observations. No argument there. It's just that personally I would never have anything to do with any woman who was interested in me for my money (not that I have a lot of it). I *know* that it's a factor in many women's search for a partner; it's just that I'm not searching for many women, just one who is looking for a little more out of life than an easy life. Looking for a good provider is an essential thing for a sane woman who is hoping to raise a family unless she is already well-to- do. Not only that, it's hard-wired, an evolutionary survival trait. The children of women who have a knack for picking a good provider are more likely to survive and pass on their genes (including the gene for the knack of picking a good provider). Long ago, of course, a good provider was the guy who reliably brought home game after the hunt and was strong enough to protect the woman and the kids from predators (animal and otherwise). These days it's money rather than game (bringing home the bacon), but there's still a premium on good looks and strength because they tend to indicate good health and fertility (in both males and females), which again favors survival of the genes. The problem is when you make money the MOST important part of who you're looking for. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Dying to be thin? Anorexia. Narrated by Julianne Moore. http://us.click.yahoo.com/abEMxA/sbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Women must be different on Governor Training since I'm worth as reasonable bit on paper,owning lots of property, but no-one appears to think of moi as a good catch. Of course, I don't advertise, having learned that whatever you advertise, is the kind of person you attract. (Says Lawson, advertising.) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Dying to be thin? Anorexia. Narrated by Julianne Moore. http://us.click.yahoo.com/abEMxA/sbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gallows humor to assuage the grief. Was that Dawn, a former MIU student in the early days? Blond hair? A bit zoftig, tended to space out and stare at the palms of her hands in utter amazement for years after her TTC? Taught in FTL during the Merv wave? Full lips and ...? Yes, that's her (I like the zoftig adjective!) She lived in my Frat, but I never really knew her very well. I think she died of skin cancer. She was one of the first ru's to die of cancer. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Need Help? Get Help! Tools and Strategies for Healthy Drug-Free Living/a. http://us.click.yahoo.com/wI.OUB/dbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Dying to be thin? Anorexia. Narrated by Julianne Moore. http://us.click.yahoo.com/abEMxA/sbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: According to Dr Kissinger, POWER is the greatest aphrodisiac. L B S Add to it a German accent that's pure affectation. Henry's brother has no accent. I know a guy who went from talking like a Damned Yankee to a Texan in just a few years but Henry hasn't learned to talk like a Georgetown resident in 70 years. * Henry Kissinger was born in Germany in 1923 and only learned English when he moved to New York in 1938 [ http://partners.nytimes.com/books/98/12/06/specials/isaacson- kissinger.html ]. Numerous studies have persuaded linguistic researchers that acquisition of a second language after the age of 15 means that one is unlikely to acquire mastery (especially in terms of pronunciation -- the brain has less flexibility after the age of 15), although there are certainly individual variations: http://tinyurl.com/a322s learning before the age of 7 yields perfect command learning between the ages of 8 and 15 yields progressively less perfect command learning at a greater age includes no advantage for relative youth I don't know how old Walter Kissinger was when he landed in New York with Henry, but if he was even a little younger, that would explain his superior command of English pronunciation. If Walter was older than Henry, then it's just a matter of individual variation -- everybody, not just linguistic professionals, has met people who have never lost their home country accent, so it strains credulity to say that Henry would have wasted his name affecting an accent for all these years, when a more reasonable explanation is just that he was too old to acquire the pronunciation pattern of a native speaker of American English. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Dying to be thin? Anorexia. Narrated by Julianne Moore. http://us.click.yahoo.com/abEMxA/sbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip . Numerous studies have persuaded linguistic researchers that acquisition of a second language after the age of 15 means that one is unlikely to acquire mastery (especially in terms of pronunciation -- the brain has less flexibility after the age of 15), although there are certainly individual variations: http://tinyurl.com/a322s learning before the age of 7 yields perfect command * I have found it interesting that at MSAE Maharishi doesn't allow 2nd language acquisition at the younger age (he may make an exception for Sanskrit) because he claims that for the youngster to speak something other than the mother tongue creates some subtle kind of confusioneven though, as you note, it is the ideal time for language acquistion. Does anyone have more precise information on this? L B S Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Does he tell you he loves you when he hits you? Abuse. Narrated by Halle Berry. http://us.click.yahoo.com/HcoraC/rbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip . Numerous studies have persuaded linguistic researchers that acquisition of a second language after the age of 15 means that one is unlikely to acquire mastery (especially in terms of pronunciation -- the brain has less flexibility after the age of 15), although there are certainly individual variations: http://tinyurl.com/a322s learning before the age of 7 yields perfect command * I have found it interesting that at MSAE Maharishi doesn't allow 2nd language acquisition at the younger age (he may make an exception for Sanskrit) because he claims that for the youngster to speak something other than the mother tongue creates some subtle kind of confusioneven though, as you note, it is the ideal time for language acquistion. Does anyone have more precise information on this? L B S I think the objection MMY (and many language professionals) makes is that _forcing_ a child to abandon his mother tongue and _only_ speak a new language creates a problem for the child. But learning a second language without having to abandon one's mother tongue is an effortless process for a young child because of the brain's superior flexibility (which is related to changes in the structure of the brain in teenagers, the completion of myelinization and so on) : http://www.parentinginformation.org/braindevelopment.htm Speaking two languages at home. Hearing two languages spoken at home is a real advantage to the child. If a child hears two languages from birth, he will maintain the ability to hear the sounds of both and be able to speak each language with the accent of a native speaker. If parents each speak a different language, it is helpful if the child hears the same language consistently from the parent who is its native speaker. If, for example, the mother is a native English speaker and the father a native Spanish speaker, it will be less confusing for the child to hear each parent speak in his or her native language. The child may mix the languages in his own speech initially, but will typically sort it out by around 2 ½ years of age. Then he will separate the words belonging to each language and know which language to use with which parent. By 7 years of age, the child is likely to be able to cope with the two language systems without a problem, using both vocabulary and grammar appropriate for his age. If a child enters a preschool and is first exposed to a second language after the age of 3, she will still be able to acquire the second language easily because she knows the rules of communication. In 3 to 7 months the child will begin to understand the second language. After about 2 years she will be able to carry on a fluent conversation. Young children learn a second language more easily than adults because the window of opportunity for learning language is still open for them. Helping the child build her self confidence during the time she is learning a second language is very important. Music is a great way to help the child learn words and phrases in the new language. Talking slowly, clearly, and simply is also helpful. It is also important for parents to continue speaking to the child at home in her native language because it continues to lay the foundation for the second language by providing the basic rules of communication. Also, the parent-child interaction might suffer if the parents speak less to the child in an attempt to use the second language. ** As a practical matter, MSAE has to teach in English, and anyway, the kids all learn some Sanskrit anyway, which is nobody's mother tongue at this stage in the Kaliyuga, so it can't be said that MSAE is trying to put off second-language acquisition. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Ever feel sad or cry for no reason at all? Depression. Narrated by Kate Hudson. http://us.click.yahoo.com/CQDrNC/ubOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
On Dec 8, 2005, at 4:51 PM, L B Shriver wrote:I have found it interesting that at MSAE Maharishi doesn't allow 2nd language acquisition at the younger age (he may make an exception for Sanskrit) because he claims that for the youngster to speak something other than the "mother tongue" creates some subtle kind of confusion—even though, as you note, it is the ideal time for language acquistion. Does anyone have more precise information on this? L B S I asked my wife who has a masters in Infant development. Do it BEFORE elementary school.Would you trust *your* children to Mahesh's theories? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, that's her (I like the zoftig adjective!) She lived in my Frat, but I never really knew her very well. I think she died of skin cancer. She was one of the first ru's to die of cancer. MMY had a special secret telephone conversation with her towards the end. Probably one of the last ru's to have that sort of treatment. I was branch manager for a control system vendor for a multi-billion dollar seawater treatment plant for Prudhoe Bay, Alaska. To put sea water out of the bay, treat it and pump it into 1200 wells to replace the oil else Alaska would become one big sinkhole. I had to entertain and also fly first class. She was gratious to allow me to drink all the bloody marys and wine they served with breakfast in the up front cabin. She was not only a very charming person on our quiet trips to Calestoga, she was a very gracious dinner companion when I had to blow $4,000 for dinner at the Big Four or Caesar's Castle or La Touilas (I can't spell French) to feed all of 3 couples once a week. She loved French veggies and Perier with lime (at something like $15 a bubble) at those places. A very sweet but typically naive MIU lady. I remember my first words when I met her again in SF after watching her stare at her palms for hours on end at the FTL TM Center. I melted, gazed in her eyes and uttered that she'd become a stunningly beautiful woman. And beautiful she was in every way you could imagine. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Ever feel sad or cry for no reason at all? Depression. Narrated by Kate Hudson. http://us.click.yahoo.com/CQDrNC/ubOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know how old Walter Kissinger was when he landed in New York with Henry, but if he was even a little younger, that would explain his superior command of English pronunciation. If Walter was older than Henry, then it's just a matter of individual variation -- everybody, not just linguistic professionals, has met people who have never lost their home country accent, so it strains credulity to say that Henry would have wasted his name affecting an accent for all these years, when a more reasonable explanation is just that he was too old to acquire the pronunciation pattern of a native speaker of American English. Dr. K likes to drink. He loses his accent and speaks English like a native born American when he's had a bit too much to drink or when you catch him at an odd moment when he's off guard. Ask any reporter. Even journalists like at LB's level has observed this. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Drugs Don't Discriminate. Get help for yourself or someone you know. http://us.click.yahoo.com/0I.OUB/ZbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A very sweet but typically naive MIU lady. Does she have a last name? lurk Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Ever feel sad or cry for no reason at all? Depression. Narrated by Kate Hudson. http://us.click.yahoo.com/YbEMxA/ubOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would you trust *your* children to Mahesh's theories? Indeed. I had almost total immersion in Czech at Our Lady of the Inquisition Catholic School in kindergarten and 1-2 grade. The nuns were right off the boat from Czecho. It was easy as pie to learn Czech. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Dying to be thin? Anorexia. Narrated by Julianne Moore. http://us.click.yahoo.com/AQDrNC/sbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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On Dec 8, 2005, at 8:17 PM, anonymousff wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would you trust *your* children to Mahesh's theories? Indeed. I had almost total immersion in Czech at Our Lady of the Inquisition Catholic School in kindergarten and 1-2 grade. The nuns were right off the boat from Czecho. It was easy as pie to learn Czech. But M's theory is that this should just confuse you Akasha. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But M's theory is that this should just confuse you Akasha. If you subtly think of Inner Lite Beer before doing your flying, your body takes on the properties of Akasha, confused or not. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Need Help? Get Help! Tools and Strategies for Healthy Drug-Free Living/a. http://us.click.yahoo.com/wI.OUB/dbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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On Dec 8, 2005, at 8:31 PM, anonymousff wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But M's theory is that this should just confuse you Akasha. If you subtly think of Inner Lite Beer before doing your flying, your body takes on the properties of Akasha, confused or not. Whoa dude, thanks! bubbling bliss To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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Dawn Golden, wasn't it? Her name came up for discussion a while back. Sal On Dec 8, 2005, at 7:28 PM, anonymousff wrote: It's been a long time. It'll pop up, I'm sure. It got changed, of course, when she married.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
That's it! --- Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dawn Golden, wasn't it? Her name came up for discussion a while back. Sal On Dec 8, 2005, at 7:28 PM, anonymousff wrote: It's been a long time. It'll pop up, I'm sure. It got changed, of course, when she married. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Drugs Don't Discriminate. Get help for yourself or someone you know. http://us.click.yahoo.com/0I.OUB/ZbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dawn Golden, wasn't it? Her name came up for discussion a while back. Sal Give that man a cupie doll. Of course Dawn Golden. A name impossible to remember for me, just like the names Ann Richards and Paul Harvey. She was quite a gal when she came back from TTC and became every part of a lovely woman. She made the mistake of not waiting around to marry the right man in Tom's opinion but beyond that she was perfection incarnate. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Ever feel sad or cry for no reason at all? Depression. Narrated by Kate Hudson. http://us.click.yahoo.com/YbEMxA/ubOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would you trust *your* children to Mahesh's theories? Indeed. I had almost total immersion in Czech at Our Lady of the Inquisition Catholic School in kindergarten and 1-2 grade. The nuns were right off the boat from Czecho. It was easy as pie to learn Czech. Ya dumayu shto ty tagda tozhe ponimaesh po-russki! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Ever feel sad or cry for no reason at all? Depression. Narrated by Kate Hudson. http://us.click.yahoo.com/CQDrNC/ubOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
--- anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] we're just noting its incredible irony because spiritual growth is usually equated with greater compassion and understanding Yes. Absolutely. Compassion and understanding are the qualities that are just so clearly abundant on FFL, they just fly off each posting, a list of long-time seekers of spiritual growth. Let us take Dr. Pete, who can't possibly be a real psychologist. A real psychologist would not be calling Tom his nigah. Tom never used that term. Also, Dr. Pete spoke of Tom's character. Character is defined as something that doesn't change. You can get over many things, but character is typically used in the psych biz to denote that which is persistent. So Tom is forever doomed and damned because of his character. Supposing. Just suppose that Tom was using this forum to unstress. That would be unusual in such a group where even something as trivial as getting the date or spelling of something wrong is bait for everybody to pounce on the poster and play Now I've Got You, You Son of a Bitch, wouldn't it? Supposing Tom has done what he really says he's done: used years of rolfing, this EMDR thing he described, CCP and yagyas to get through the unstressing of a childhood of continuous horrors few of us could possibly imagine? Suppose that he's telling the truth. That he and Ben did not hit it off and it does take two to not hit it off. Suppose that this new thing he's pursuing which he reports allows him to do full program for the first time in many years without feeling bad. Dr. Pete is allegedly in the business of curing people. But Dr. Pete's diagnosis is that Tom has shown his character. He is forever doomed to be a sonofabitch. Tom can't be cured. Tom is beyond any of the hope and comfort of every and all religions, because though they offer forgiveness, redemption and go and sin no more, that's not something available to Tom. Because of Tom's character. But wait. Tom isn't just a sonofabitch. He's a classic seeker. He'll never find. He'll never progress. He'll never get anywhere. Because he's a classic seeker. Did Amma just drop in on you one day and that's why you now follow her? Oh. But that's not seeking, is it? Tom says his politics leans more towards those of the Aryan Brotherhood. It's bad to be a racist. You put someone in a category that in your eyes they can never, ever redeem themselves from. Being a racist is bad. Diagnosing someone from posts and heaping derision upon them on the other hand, is good. Right? Yes to all the above...now what? ;-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Does he tell you he loves you when he hits you? Abuse. Narrated by Halle Berry. http://us.click.yahoo.com/HcoraC/rbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] we're just noting its incredible irony because spiritual growth is usually equated with greater compassion and understanding Yes. Absolutely. Compassion and understanding are the qualities that are just so clearly abundant on FFL, they just fly off each posting, a list of long-time seekers of spiritual growth. Let us take Dr. Pete, who can't possibly be a real psychologist. A real psychologist would not be calling Tom his nigah. Tom never used that term. Also, Dr. Pete spoke of Tom's character. Character is defined as something that doesn't change. You can get over many things, but character is typically used in the psych biz to denote that which is persistent. So Tom is forever doomed and damned because of his character. Supposing. Just suppose that Tom was using this forum to unstress. That would be unusual in such a group where even something as trivial as getting the date or spelling of something wrong is bait for everybody to pounce on the poster and play Now I've Got You, You Son of a Bitch, wouldn't it? Supposing Tom has done what he really says he's done: used years of rolfing, this EMDR thing he described, CCP and yagyas to get through the unstressing of a childhood of continuous horrors few of us could possibly imagine? Suppose that he's telling the truth. That he and Ben did not hit it off and it does take two to not hit it off. Suppose that this new thing he's pursuing which he reports allows him to do full program for the first time in many years without feeling bad. Dr. Pete is allegedly in the business of curing people. But Dr. Pete's diagnosis is that Tom has shown his character. He is forever doomed to be a sonofabitch. Tom can't be cured. Tom is beyond any of the hope and comfort of every and all religions, because though they offer forgiveness, redemption and go and sin no more, that's not something available to Tom. Because of Tom's character. But wait. Tom isn't just a sonofabitch. He's a classic seeker. He'll never find. He'll never progress. He'll never get anywhere. Because he's a classic seeker. Did Amma just drop in on you one day and that's why you now follow her? Oh. But that's not seeking, is it? Tom says his politics leans more towards those of the Aryan Brotherhood. It's bad to be a racist. You put someone in a category that in your eyes they can never, ever redeem themselves from. Being a racist is bad. Diagnosing someone from posts and heaping derision upon them on the other hand, is good. Right? Yes to all the above...now what? ;-) nice aikido move, Peter Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Dying to be thin? Anorexia. Narrated by Julianne Moore. http://us.click.yahoo.com/AQDrNC/sbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tom says his politics leans more towards those of the Aryan Brotherhood. It's bad to be a racist. You put someone in a category that in your eyes they can never, ever redeem themselves from. Being a racist is bad. Diagnosing someone from posts and heaping derision upon them on the other hand, is good. Right? Yes to all the above...now what? ;-) nice aikido move, Peter Enjoy yourselves, guys. You haven't reached enlightenment yet and Laura Calvert, so full of life, innocence, joy, optimism and happiness both went on to a better place, as the post said, and died. You may, too, before you reach enlightenment. As you rip, so shall ye sew. We don't remember the joy of the last life during the current one. Perhaps you will have the great honor of living the life others like Tom endured. Perhaps you'll have the honor of remembering the joy while you're being ripped to shreds in your next life. Then again maybe not. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Drugs Don't Discriminate. Get help for yourself or someone you know. http://us.click.yahoo.com/0I.OUB/ZbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
--- anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tom says his politics leans more towards those of the Aryan Brotherhood. It's bad to be a racist. You put someone in a category that in your eyes they can never, ever redeem themselves from. Being a racist is bad. Diagnosing someone from posts and heaping derision upon them on the other hand, is good. Right? Yes to all the above...now what? ;-) nice aikido move, Peter Enjoy yourselves, guys. You haven't reached enlightenment yet and Laura Calvert, so full of life, innocence, joy, optimism and happiness both went on to a better place, as the post said, and died. You may, too, before you reach enlightenment. As you rip, so shall ye sew. We don't remember the joy of the last life during the current one. Perhaps you will have the great honor of living the life others like Tom endured. Perhaps you'll have the honor of remembering the joy while you're being ripped to shreds in your next life. Then again maybe not. Tom, was Laura Calvert at MIU? The name is so familiar, but I can't a face to the name. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Drugs Don't Discriminate. Get help for yourself or someone you know. http://us.click.yahoo.com/0I.OUB/ZbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Need Help? Get Help! Tools and Strategies for Healthy Drug-Free Living/a. http://us.click.yahoo.com/wI.OUB/dbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
--- jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] we're just noting its incredible irony because spiritual growth is usually equated with greater compassion and understanding Yes. Absolutely. Compassion and understanding are the qualities that are just so clearly abundant on FFL, they just fly off each posting, a list of long-time seekers of spiritual growth. Let us take Dr. Pete, who can't possibly be a real psychologist. A real psychologist would not be calling Tom his nigah. Tom never used that term. Also, Dr. Pete spoke of Tom's character. Character is defined as something that doesn't change. You can get over many things, but character is typically used in the psych biz to denote that which is persistent. So Tom is forever doomed and damned because of his character. Supposing. Just suppose that Tom was using this forum to unstress. That would be unusual in such a group where even something as trivial as getting the date or spelling of something wrong is bait for everybody to pounce on the poster and play Now I've Got You, You Son of a Bitch, wouldn't it? Supposing Tom has done what he really says he's done: used years of rolfing, this EMDR thing he described, CCP and yagyas to get through the unstressing of a childhood of continuous horrors few of us could possibly imagine? Suppose that he's telling the truth. That he and Ben did not hit it off and it does take two to not hit it off. Suppose that this new thing he's pursuing which he reports allows him to do full program for the first time in many years without feeling bad. Dr. Pete is allegedly in the business of curing people. But Dr. Pete's diagnosis is that Tom has shown his character. He is forever doomed to be a sonofabitch. Tom can't be cured. Tom is beyond any of the hope and comfort of every and all religions, because though they offer forgiveness, redemption and go and sin no more, that's not something available to Tom. Because of Tom's character. But wait. Tom isn't just a sonofabitch. He's a classic seeker. He'll never find. He'll never progress. He'll never get anywhere. Because he's a classic seeker. Did Amma just drop in on you one day and that's why you now follow her? Oh. But that's not seeking, is it? Tom says his politics leans more towards those of the Aryan Brotherhood. It's bad to be a racist. You put someone in a category that in your eyes they can never, ever redeem themselves from. Being a racist is bad. Diagnosing someone from posts and heaping derision upon them on the other hand, is good. Right? Yes to all the above...now what? ;-) nice aikido move, Peter I want to stop sticking my fingers into Tom's emotional wounds and causing pain. So, I apolgize to him for my initial wise ass crack, and want to move on to more fruitful discussions, like who did MMY try to bone in the past! Discriminating minds want to know! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Dying to be thin? Anorexia. Narrated by Julianne Moore. http://us.click.yahoo.com/AQDrNC/sbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Does he tell you he loves you when he hits you? Abuse. Narrated by Halle Berry. http://us.click.yahoo.com/hemMeA/rbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tom says his politics leans more towards those of the Aryan Brotherhood. It's bad to be a racist. You put someone in a category that in your eyes they can never, ever redeem themselves from. Being a racist is bad. Diagnosing someone from posts and heaping derision upon them on the other hand, is good. Right? Yes to all the above...now what? ;-) nice aikido move, Peter Enjoy yourselves, guys. You haven't reached enlightenment yet and Laura Calvert, so full of life, innocence, joy, optimism and happiness both went on to a better place, as the post said, and died. You may, too, before you reach enlightenment. To say that anyone *reaches* enlightenment is presupposing it as a linear extension of self-development. It isn't. To move from self to Self has been described as a ripening or an implosion, an extinction, or an expansion. These are closer descriptions than to say we *reach* enlightenment. As you rip, so shall ye sew. We don't remember the joy of the last life during the current one. I respectfully disagree with you. I regularly reap the benefits of joys experienced in lives past, and regularly am confronted by past challenges too. Perhaps you will have the great honor of living the life others like Tom endured. Why was that painful, horrible experience an honor in your view? Perhaps you'll have the honor of remembering the joy while you're being ripped to shreds in your next life. Then again maybe not. Absolutely not! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Dying to be thin? Anorexia. Narrated by Julianne Moore. http://us.click.yahoo.com/AQDrNC/sbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tom, was Laura Calvert at MIU? The name is so familiar, but I can't a face to the name. Perhaps I can answer your question. Laura Calvert was an Okie who migrated to Austin, TX because she was a groupie and because she had friends with money (one of them was Tom) who helped her out. She was a well known figure at MIU for years. She was on staff and then worked for one of the Dare to Rip off the Rabble and Wind up in Jail companies in FF (sidhas are so superior to the rabble as Dr. Pete will attest). When the Dare to Rip off the Rabble company prospered, Laura used to spend her money on plane tickets to Austin. Laura ruined her credit by reopening and supporting the Austin TM Center after Dare went to prison and the company folded, in direct opposition to the people of Radiance, TX, who wanted her gunned down or at least run out of town. Texans are so genteel, as GW Bush the Connecticut native will attest. She was, after all, so declasse. Imagine. An Okie teaching TM within blocks of the Univerity of Teasippers. She didn't even have a law degree like the people who ran the original TM center on Guadalupe and formed and populated Radiance with their pocket change, my Gawd! Purusha came, took over the Austin TM Center then closed it down. Laura received sponsorship to go to many courses and eventually decided to accept sponsorship for the rest of her life on Mother Divine. Actually most likely the sponsorship was handmaidenship. It was and maybe still is the practice to employ servants and offer them sponsorhip on MD in exchange for their cooking and cleaning and sucking up to those with the superiority only money can buy. Laura apparantly got ill and went home to Oklahoma to die. She is survived by her parents and her smoking, beer swilling good ole' boy brothers. Laura was so proud of herself years ago she emailed Tom about how she was following the Blood Type Diet and had not eaten a single thing with transfatty acids in it in years. She's also survived by Tom, with whom she had a falling out because one evening she called Tom on his 700 number (Tom gave Laura a pin which reversed the long distance charges) and took great umbradge with Tom because he had obviously been drinking. Reminds one of Edith Bunker's brother who died of a heart attack while jogging back from the heathfood store. When Laura ran the Austin TM Center she made Mother Tereass look like a greedy snob. Another reason the populace of Radiance,TX, founded and populated by greedy snobs, used legal action to take over the Austin TM Center and toss Laura out of it and out of town. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Dying to be thin? Anorexia. Narrated by Julianne Moore. http://us.click.yahoo.com/AQDrNC/sbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tom, was Laura Calvert at MIU? The name is so familiar, but I can't a face to the name. Perhaps I can answer your question. Laura Calvert was an Okie who migrated to Austin, TX because she was a groupie and because she had friends with money (one of them was Tom) who helped her out. She was a well known figure at MIU for years. She was on staff and then worked for one of the Dare to Rip off the Rabble and Wind up in Jail companies in FF (sidhas are so superior to the rabble as Dr. Pete will attest). When the Dare to Rip off the Rabble company prospered, Laura used to spend her money on plane tickets to Austin. Laura ruined her credit by reopening and supporting the Austin TM Center after Dare went to prison and the company folded, in direct opposition to the people of Radiance, TX, who wanted her gunned down or at least run out of town. Texans are so genteel, as GW Bush the Connecticut native will attest. She was, after all, so declasse. Imagine. An Okie teaching TM within blocks of the Univerity of Teasippers. She didn't even have a law degree like the people who ran the original TM center on Guadalupe and formed and populated Radiance with their pocket change, my Gawd! Purusha came, took over the Austin TM Center then closed it down. Laura received sponsorship to go to many courses and eventually decided to accept sponsorship for the rest of her life on Mother Divine. Actually most likely the sponsorship was handmaidenship. It was and maybe still is the practice to employ servants and offer them sponsorhip on MD in exchange for their cooking and cleaning and sucking up to those with the superiority only money can buy. Laura apparantly got ill and went home to Oklahoma to die. She is survived by her parents and her smoking, beer swilling good ole' boy brothers. Laura was so proud of herself years ago she emailed Tom about how she was following the Blood Type Diet and had not eaten a single thing with transfatty acids in it in years. She's also survived by Tom, with whom she had a falling out because one evening she called Tom on his 700 number (Tom gave Laura a pin which reversed the long distance charges) and took great umbradge with Tom because he had obviously been drinking. Reminds one of Edith Bunker's brother who died of a heart attack while jogging back from the heathfood store. When Laura ran the Austin TM Center she made Mother Tereass look like a greedy snob. Another reason the populace of Radiance,TX, founded and populated by greedy snobs, used legal action to take over the Austin TM Center and toss Laura out of it and out of town. Huge Gymboree Boys 3 3T Fall Winter Lot? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Ever feel sad or cry for no reason at all? Depression. Narrated by Kate Hudson. http://us.click.yahoo.com/YbEMxA/ubOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I want to stop sticking my fingers into Tom's emotional wounds and causing pain. So, I apolgize to him for my initial wise ass crack, and want to move on to more fruitful discussions, like who did MMY try to bone in the past! Discriminating minds want to know! Nobody is stopping you. Make a real apology, not a brush off, then move on. You caused serious pain. Make a serious apology commencerate with the pain you caused. Be more than just a punk for once in your life. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Does he tell you he loves you when he hits you? Abuse. Narrated by Halle Berry. http://us.click.yahoo.com/HcoraC/rbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
on 12/7/05 7:17 PM, anonymousff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tom, was Laura Calvert at MIU? The name is so familiar, but I can't a face to the name. Perhaps I can answer your question. Laura Calvert was an Okie who migrated to Austin, TX because she was a groupie and because she had friends with money (one of them was Tom) who helped her out. Are you referring to Tom Pall? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Does he tell you he loves you when he hits you? Abuse. Narrated by Halle Berry. http://us.click.yahoo.com/HcoraC/rbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
--- anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tom, you need to lighten-up a bit. When you post comments in the past about niggers and kikes and then talk about great spiritual experiences it is a bit humorous, isn't it? I'm glad you're having great experiences with your yagyas. No one's defaiming your character, we're just noting its incredible irony because spiritual growth is usually equated with greater compassion and understanding which your previous posts did not demonstrate. -Peter Is this Tom guy what one you referred to as your nigah? You're not a psycholoist, are you? You didn't even sleep at a Holiday Inn Express last night as you wouldn't be putting the mark of Cain on someone's forehead. A psychologist has hope, nay, an intention that their patients get better. The believe people can get better. No, you can't be a clinical physchologist. You're an experimental psychologist at FAU. You write for the worm runners digest. But definitely you're not a clinical psychologist. Tom, anyone ever mention you might have a tad of an anger problem? Does it ever strike you as odd that your anger doesn't abate even after an apology by the guilty party? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com __ Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tom, you need to lighten-up a bit. When you post comments in the past about niggers and kikes and then talk about great spiritual experiences it is a bit humorous, isn't it? I'm glad you're having great experiences with your yagyas. No one's defaiming your character, we're just noting its incredible irony because spiritual growth is usually equated with greater compassion and understanding which your previous posts did not demonstrate. -Peter Is this Tom guy what one you referred to as your nigah? You're not a psycholoist, are you? You didn't even sleep at a Holiday Inn Express last night as you wouldn't be putting the mark of Cain on someone's forehead. A psychologist has hope, nay, an intention that their patients get better. The believe people can get better. No, you can't be a clinical physchologist. You're an experimental psychologist at FAU. You write for the worm runners digest. But definitely you're not a clinical psychologist. Tom, anyone ever mention you might have a tad of an anger problem? Does it ever strike you as odd that your anger doesn't abate even after an apology by the guilty party There is a number of legends about the Rishi Durvas like this. became angry and cursed her to live apart from Lord Krishna. That is why Krishna's temple is in t..: http://www.indhistory.com/hindu-temple/hindu-temple-dwarka-temple.htmlHe Prince Samb was suffering with leprosy due to a curse by Rishi Durvasa. Th..: http://www.yadav.com/yadavhist.html Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com __ Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
Ben, The lawyers are being placed under retainer. If you'd like days in court which you can't afford, go on talking about Tom's character. Otherwise shut up. Tell us how at $55/month sponsorhip you felt it exceedingly fair to pay yourself a $1,000 a month retainer for administering Puja.net. Unless you'd like a restraining order plus a lawsuit, I'd stop responding and defending the buttholes who want to attack me in FFL now. I have emails, kept in three different parts of the world where you stated you were going for thousands of yagya days a year, which would allow you to retire full time based on major sponsor money. You couldn't been relived that I stopped spending and then send out a a note that you and the pudits (which pudits you can reach in at no sooner than a week) were disappointed). You were counting on my ever expanding sponsorship. I will not defend you in a slander, libal and, fraud and conversion of funds suit. You'd have to defend yourself. And I have the power of YBC on my side. You have the power of a greedy opportunistic priest on your side. OTOH, you can agree with whatever Dr. Pete (who's employers are being contracted about his participation on FFL) says about my character and have your day in court. Speaking of character, tell us about the $130+K a year job that brought you to SoCal that evaporated. Tell us about your relationship with your wife and who gets to keep the children on what days. You've been doing pujas and yagyas for years and your life is just one of peace and harmony, yes? Tell us about the kind of job you're able to get after all these visits to the temple. It's not so much a matter of Tom's characters as much as the real life of the guru of Puja.net has not been revealed to the public. Try to explain to yourself tonight why helping Dr. Pete attack Tom's character gets you further along the way with your japa mantra, puja and yagyas. And ask yourself how trips to the courthouse will keep you settled in your nightly mantra japa/sort of TM meditation. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, benjaminccollins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My prasadam for my first Mahalakshmi Yagna arrived today. A beautiful yantra, card from the chief priest in some Indian language, English from my contact at YBC and two very blessed rudraksha bead malas. I can feel the power coming off of these. It's just tremendous. I'll just add that I worked with Tom for about 2 years arranging the yagyas that he wanted performed. Before he started working with me, Tom was doing lots of yagyas in lots of places in India and always told me not to send him prasadam because he had too much of it as it was. It was my experience that he was dealing with deeply routed issues and was searching for answers. I'm no guru so I don't provide answers to people nor do I tell them what to do. I think that yagyas are a useful tool to accelerate one's evolution and are a great supplemtn to TM. I always thought Tom was spending more than was sensible, but that's what he wanted to do. It doesn't surprise me that he eventually got all pissed off and went someplace else. Frankly I was relieved. If these yagyas work for him great. But it is my opinion that yagyas, meditation and any spiritual practice only take you so far and then issues of character must be addressed before further progress is possible. Tom's character issues have been amply demonstrated in this forum, just do a search. As one who is deeply involved in yagyas and has seen them work wonders under the proper circumstances I can say that I take absolutely no offense at Dr. Pete's postings. I found them quite funny given the context of Tom P's past behavior. -Ben PS. With reference to another recent discussion here on FFL, I'll just mention that I have been involved in arranging yagyas for George Harrison and his family both before and after his passing. Before he died George was mostly into Yogananda and the usual plethora of spiritual practices typical of an Indian Brahmin in which his main guidance was Ravi Shankar. After his passing I have continued to arrange yagyas for his family and Dhani is an avid meditator, not to mention a very fine person. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
Tom, you need to lighten-up a bit. When you post comments in the past about niggers and kikes and then talk about great spiritual experiences it is a bit humorous, isn't it? I'm glad you're having great experiences with your yagyas. No one's defaiming your character, we're just noting its incredible irony because spiritual growth is usually equated with greater compassion and understanding which your previous posts did not demonstrate. -Peter p.s. I'm self-employed and look forward to firing myself. --- Tom Pall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ben, The lawyers are being placed under retainer. If you'd like days in court which you can't afford, go on talking about Tom's character. Otherwise shut up. Tell us how at $55/month sponsorhip you felt it exceedingly fair to pay yourself a $1,000 a month retainer for administering Puja.net. Unless you'd like a restraining order plus a lawsuit, I'd stop responding and defending the buttholes who want to attack me in FFL now. I have emails, kept in three different parts of the world where you stated you were going for thousands of yagya days a year, which would allow you to retire full time based on major sponsor money. You couldn't been relived that I stopped spending and then send out a a note that you and the pudits (which pudits you can reach in at no sooner than a week) were disappointed). You were counting on my ever expanding sponsorship. I will not defend you in a slander, libal and, fraud and conversion of funds suit. You'd have to defend yourself. And I have the power of YBC on my side. You have the power of a greedy opportunistic priest on your side. OTOH, you can agree with whatever Dr. Pete (who's employers are being contracted about his participation on FFL) says about my character and have your day in court. Speaking of character, tell us about the $130+K a year job that brought you to SoCal that evaporated. Tell us about your relationship with your wife and who gets to keep the children on what days. You've been doing pujas and yagyas for years and your life is just one of peace and harmony, yes? Tell us about the kind of job you're able to get after all these visits to the temple. It's not so much a matter of Tom's characters as much as the real life of the guru of Puja.net has not been revealed to the public. Try to explain to yourself tonight why helping Dr. Pete attack Tom's character gets you further along the way with your japa mantra, puja and yagyas. And ask yourself how trips to the courthouse will keep you settled in your nightly mantra japa/sort of TM meditation. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, benjaminccollins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My prasadam for my first Mahalakshmi Yagna arrived today. A beautiful yantra, card from the chief priest in some Indian language, English from my contact at YBC and two very blessed rudraksha bead malas. I can feel the power coming off of these. It's just tremendous. I'll just add that I worked with Tom for about 2 years arranging the yagyas that he wanted performed. Before he started working with me, Tom was doing lots of yagyas in lots of places in India and always told me not to send him prasadam because he had too much of it as it was. It was my experience that he was dealing with deeply routed issues and was searching for answers. I'm no guru so I don't provide answers to people nor do I tell them what to do. I think that yagyas are a useful tool to accelerate one's evolution and are a great supplemtn to TM. I always thought Tom was spending more than was sensible, but that's what he wanted to do. It doesn't surprise me that he eventually got all pissed off and went someplace else. Frankly I was relieved. If these yagyas work for him great. But it is my opinion that yagyas, meditation and any spiritual practice only take you so far and then issues of character must be addressed before further progress is possible. Tom's character issues have been amply demonstrated in this forum, just do a search. As one who is deeply involved in yagyas and has seen them work wonders under the proper circumstances I can say that I take absolutely no offense at Dr. Pete's postings. I found them quite funny given the context of Tom P's past behavior. -Ben PS. With reference to another recent discussion here on FFL, I'll just mention that I have been involved in arranging yagyas for George Harrison and his family both before and after his passing. Before he died George was mostly into Yogananda and the usual plethora of spiritual practices typical of an Indian Brahmin in which his main guidance was Ravi Shankar. After his passing I have continued to arrange yagyas for his family and Dhani is an avid meditator, not to mention a very fine person. Yahoo!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
On Dec 4, 2005, at 2:05 AM, benjaminccollins wrote:PS. With reference to another recent discussion here on FFL, I'll just mention that I have been involved in arranging yagyas for George Harrison and his family both before and after his passing. Before he died George was mostly into Yogananda and the usual plethora of spiritual practices typical of an Indian Brahmin in which his main guidance was Ravi Shankar. After his passing I have continued to arrange yagyas for his family and Dhani is an avid meditator, not to mention a very fine person. Ben:Thanks for giving some support for my observation that George has moved on to other practices. Evolution is where it's at!It is also my understanding that Ravi had been a guiding influence on George, as he took him as a guru early on in his own sitar studies. Ravi also has commented on the practices that they shared as George was dying. What a wonderful friend and spiritual companion to have.-V. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
