[FairfieldLife] Re: Why Judy Quit FFL
So, it's all about Judy quitting FFL. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : I don't know.
[FairfieldLife] Re: to Judy
Share, if you want me to respond to your posts, you will start doing me the courtesy of not putting words in my mouth. That's either sloppy or dishonest, or both. Do you understand? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Judy, for someone who avoids writing emotionally , you sure are advocating it a lot for me! Where is the emotion in your posts?! You seem to think that one has to dump a boatload of negative thoughts on someone in order to be authentic. I disagree with you about that. I think it's enough to say what I don't like and or what I disagree with. And I attempt to say it as positively as I can. That's a skill I'm still practicing. And I don't always succeed because there is a history with you, Emily, Fleetwood and Ann. My feelings towards you all are not 100% positive. So what? That is for me to deal with privately. I don't think it's appropriate to focus on it in the group. Plus I don't trust any of you four enough to share either my feelings or info about me. Recent interactions have validated these conclusions. If you notice that negative feelings leak out, then again, I suggest you avoid interacting with me. But I don't think you want to stop interacting with the people you disapprove of. I think you enjoy expressing your disapproval and doing so in a harsh way. You say you are only refuting lies in your posts. But I think you do way more than that. You browbeat people. And with turq you've been doing way more for almost 2 decades! You say you realize he's not gonna change. So why not ignore him, other than simple refutation? One of you has to stop feeding the beast and I don't think it's gonna be him! WRT your other post from last night, I'm not surprised that you blame me and Richard and turq for the departure of certain posters. IMO we all share the responsibility for that, as well as the ones who left. BTW, I enjoy the exchanges I have with the men on FFL now. Certainly ignore those posts also if you find them objectionable in some way. I have written separate posts to Ann and Emily concerning why I recently responded to them as I did. Judy wrote: Er, except for Fleetwood, you mean. (I'm sure you don't intend to suggest Barry is reasonable and fair, though.) Here's the thing. Your exchanges with the (other) men are deadly banal, bland, vapid. The men draw nothing out of you, rarely ask you questions. Whether that's because they don't find you interesting or for some other reason, I have no idea. (The only man here who has ever found you interesting enough to converse with at length was Robin, and we know how that ended. But up to that point he was able to draw some great stuff from you, and those of us who read those conversations found them delightful--remember Ann's comment that they were like a Japanese tea ceremony?) Your conversations with Ann and Emily and Fleetwood and me, even (maybe especially) when they're negative, at least have some substance to them. We do find you interesting; we ask you questions and do our best to pry straight answers out of you (although we often don't get them). Trying to untangle your attempts to avoid addressing various points you seem to feel are dangerous for you and retreat into banality again is a fascinating exercise. I'm not sure exactly where I'm going with this; just setting out some observations for you to think about (or not). I don't really expect you to come back with anything responsive or relevant, but maybe you'll surprise me.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Poor Judy Stein
Just for the record... Barry wrote: Ha. Funny scenario discovered on the Internet. You've heard of the movie Snakes On A Plane? Well, this is FFL It's All About Me Behavior On A Plane. :-) http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/29/annoying-airplane-passenger_n_4360667.html http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/29/annoying-airplane-passenger_n_4360667.html Doesn't Diane remind you of anyone, how she wants the world to revolve around her and work the way *she* wants it to work? :-) Turns out it was a hoax: http://www.buzzfeed.com/rachelzarrell/the-truth-behind-that-epic-note-passing-war-on-a-thanksgivin http://www.buzzfeed.com/rachelzarrell/the-truth-behind-that-epic-note-passing-war-on-a-thanksgivin This minor Twitter-war has now gone viral, and it's interesting to see different people's reactions to it. By far the majority (close to 80% on the sites I've seen it on) side with Elon. That said, many of them feel that he went over the top in his interactions with beyond-cluelessly-out-of-it Diane. I tend to agree on both fronts -- that he was justified in trying to wake her up to how ridiculously and discourteously she was acting, and that he chose a possibly inappropriate way to do so. And yet, speaking as one who has resorted to such tactics myself, sometimes they seem necessary. The self-centered solipsist is SO lost in his or her head, and SO overshadowed by his or her own petty concerns that there is no ROOM in their awareness for other people, and how their actions may be affecting these others. Once one has tried more subtle methods, and failed, sometimes the ONLY thing that can get to such people is to reveal to them *exactly* how laughable and petty and inconsiderate they're acting by getting as many people as possible to laugh at them. The one thing most solipsists cannot abide is being laughed at, and it's often the one thing -- and only thing -- that can get them to STFU. Clearly this didn't work on Diane, and chances are it never will. From her point of view, lost in her own self-importance, she'll view the fact that now tens of thousands of people are laughing at her as a HUGE affront, as UNFAIR, and above all, as UNDESERVED. All of these people laughing at her are WRONG, damnit, and only *she* is RIGHT, damnit! My bet is that Diane didn't learn a damned thing from the incident itself, won't learn a damned thing from how she is regarded (as a selfish loon) by tens of thousands of people, and will probably act the SAME way on the plane home. This would not surprise me in the least, because of course I've seen the same thing on FFL. What does surprise me a little, however, are the few who seem to view *Diane* as their hero in this scenario. They see nothing whatsoever wrong with her histrionics and her out-of-control anger over a situation *that she could not possibly affect in any way* by bitching and melting down in public and becoming angry and making everyone around her miserable. Her supporters seem to side with her because that's the way they live THEIR lives. The world revolves around them, just as Diane feels that the world centers around her. Someday I hope that this 20% and Diane find themselves on the same plane together, and can make *each other* miserable with their histrionics. They won't learn from THAT, either, but at least they'll have a taste of what their behavior *feels like* to those forced to experience it. Similarly, wouldn't it be interesting to be a fly on the wall (over video, so we didn't have to be subjected to the low-vibeness of it all) when several Diane's from FFL were strapped into a plane together, with *none* of their regular enemies anywhere around. My bet is that it would take less than 15 minutes before they were at each others' throats, and blaming *each other* for the things they usually blame on people not in their clique. With any luck, someone could overhear the resulting cat fight, capture it all verbatim, and broadcast it to the world via Twitter. Maybe then they'd realize how ridiculous they are. Maybe.
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Poor Judy Stein
Emily - According to MMY, meditation is based on thinking - Anyone who can think can meditate. Meditation simply means to think things over. Based on that definition, everyone on the entire planet meditates. Everyone pauses once or twice a day to take stock of their own mental contents. And, we're all transcending all the time, even without a special technique! There are a few things about TM that Barry and Judy didn't tell you about TM - it costs thousands of dollars to learn TM, and that alone wouldn't entitle you to get inside the golden dome at MUM for a group meditation. For that, you'd probably have to pay thousands of more dollars to learn the TM-Sidhi program. Barry posted that he paid over $5,000 in order to learn how to bun-hop. However, there are lots of places you can learn how to meditate for free. Go figure. And, even if you did learn TM you'd probably be meditating on your own anyway. It's not likely you'd ever get to Fairfield, IA to just be able to join a group meditation inside the MUM women's dome, and there's only three other golden domes that I know of. One is down here at Radiance, TX, at the TM Ideal Village - the Maharishi Golden Dome of Pure Knowledge - home of the Super Radiance Program; and there's a golden dome at Skelmer's Dale - Sidha Land - over in Lancashire, UK; and there's a golden dome called Siddha Dorp over in Lelystad, NE. Not likely you'd be over there anytime soon either, just to be able to meditate inside a golden dome. So, I can speak from some experience having been initiated into TM back in 1964 - according to Beaulah Smith, I was TMer #214 in the U.S. I meditated with MMY himself on several occasions at the SRM and I have learned two advanced techniques from SIMS under Jerry Jarvis in 1965 and Brahmacharya Satyanand in 1968. Before I started TM I was a meditation student at the SRF under Swami Paramahamsa Yogananda in Los Angeles, CA, and I can say without the least hesitation that TM is very similar to the Kriya Yoga that I learned there. Later, I moved to San Francisco, CA and sat under Shunryu Suzuki at the SFZC for two years and then I sat for another year at the Shambhala Meditation Center in Boulder, CO under the direction of Lama Chogyam Trungpa. I've been meditating every day for over forty-nine years and I will attest that meditation is very similar in many different traditions. If you have any question about meditation I could probably teach you how to meditate in just a few minutes. It's not complicated. Self Realization Fellowship: http://www.yogananda-srf.org/ San Francisco Zen Center: http://www.sfzc.org/ Shambhala Meditation Center: http://www.boulder.shambhala.org/ meditation – noun 1. to think calm thoughts in order to relax or as a religious activity: Sophie meditates for 20 minutes every day. 2. to think seriously about something for a long time: He meditated on the consequences of his decision. Works cited: 'Maharishi - A Promise for the Family of Man' Historic Lecture at Jones Hall, Houston, TX http://youtu.be/k3swI5n_mW0 Cambridge University Dictionary: http://tinyurl.com/dz5ut2 On 11/30/2013 11:44 AM, emilymae...@yahoo.com wrote: Barry, you stooge. How do you know I never learned to meditate? You would be wrong on that count. I never learned TM, is what I've said. I am contributing to your discussion here by posting this link by Ellen Degeneres on meditation. While deep in meditation designing a pair of sunglasses for her third eye (or something like that) she monologues...the teacher hits the gong and then I jump and I almost yell Oh My God,, but because I'm smart I yell Ohhhm.
RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Poor Judy Stein
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote: Emily - According to MMY, meditation is based on thinking - Anyone who can think can meditate. Meditation simply means to think things over. Based on that definition, everyone on the entire planet meditates. Everyone pauses once or twice a day to take stock of their own mental contents. And, we're all transcending all the time, even without a special technique! There are a few things about TM that Barry and Judy didn't tell you about TM - it costs thousands of dollars to learn TM, and that alone wouldn't entitle you to get inside the golden dome at MUM for a group meditation. For that, you'd probably have to pay thousands of more dollars to learn the TM-Sidhi program. Barry posted that he paid over $5,000 in order to learn how to bun-hop. However, there are lots of places you can learn how to meditate for free. Go figure. And, even if you did learn TM you'd probably be meditating on your own anyway. It's not likely you'd ever get to Fairfield, IA to just be able to join a group meditation inside the MUM women's dome, and there's only three other golden domes that I know of. One is down here at Radiance, TX, at the TM Ideal Village - the Maharishi Golden Dome of Pure Knowledge - home of the Super Radiance Program; and there's a golden dome at Skelmer's Dale - Sidha Land - over in Lancashire, UK; and there's a golden dome called Siddha Dorp over in Lelystad, NE. Not likely you'd be over there anytime soon either, just to be able to meditate inside a golden dome. So, I can speak from some experience having been initiated into TM back in 1964 - according to Beaulah Smith, I was TMer #214 in the U.S. I meditated with MMY himself on several occasions at the SRM and I have learned two advanced techniques from SIMS under Jerry Jarvis in 1965 and Brahmacharya Satyanand in 1968. Before I started TM I was a meditation student at the SRF under Swami Paramahamsa Yogananda in Los Angeles, CA, and I can say without the least hesitation that TM is very similar to the Kriya Yoga that I learned there. Later, I moved to San Francisco, CA and sat under Shunryu Suzuki at the SFZC for two years and then I sat for another year at the Shambhala Meditation Center in Boulder, CO under the direction of Lama Chogyam Trungpa. I've been meditating every day for over forty-nine years and I will attest that meditation is very similar in many different traditions. If you have any question about meditation I could probably teach you how to meditate in just a few minutes. It's not complicated. Great post Richard. Self Realization Fellowship: http://www.yogananda-srf.org/ http://www.yogananda-srf.org/ San Francisco Zen Center: http://www.sfzc.org/ http://www.sfzc.org/ Shambhala Meditation Center: http://www.boulder.shambhala.org/ http://www.boulder.shambhala.org/ meditation – noun 1. to think calm thoughts in order to relax or as a religious activity: Sophie meditates for 20 minutes every day. 2. to think seriously about something for a long time: He meditated on the consequences of his decision. Works cited: 'Maharishi - A Promise for the Family of Man' Historic Lecture at Jones Hall, Houston, TX http://youtu.be/k3swI5n_mW0 Cambridge University Dictionary: http://tinyurl.com/dz5ut2 http://tinyurl.com/dz5ut2 On 11/30/2013 11:44 AM, emilymaenot@... mailto:emilymaenot@... wrote: Barry, you stooge. How do you know I never learned to meditate? You would be wrong on that count. I never learned TM, is what I've said. I am contributing to your discussion here by posting this link by Ellen Degeneres on meditation. While deep in meditation designing a pair of sunglasses for her third eye (or something like that) she monologues...the teacher hits the gong and then I jump and I almost yell Oh My God,, but because I'm smart I yell Ohhhm.
RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Poor Judy Stein
Richard, as far as I'm concerned, if one can breathe, one can meditate. The mind is an endless playground. What it thinks it knows is simply feeding its high opinion of itself. I want to live my life based on core principles and a connection to life that stems from the heart and soul and informs my mind so that it *can* be aware. I do want to improve my character and I want my behavior to reflect my intentions as aligned with the *reality of life and human beingness*. Stilling the mind is helpful to get it out of the way and allow for this possibility to occur. Teaching and training my mind what to pay attention to and how to interpret experience is important also, imho. At this moment, this is my approach. TM isn't a necessary part of this approach. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote: Emily - According to MMY, meditation is based on thinking - Anyone who can think can meditate. Meditation simply means to think things over. Based on that definition, everyone on the entire planet meditates. Everyone pauses once or twice a day to take stock of their own mental contents. And, we're all transcending all the time, even without a special technique! There are a few things about TM that Barry and Judy didn't tell you about TM - it costs thousands of dollars to learn TM, and that alone wouldn't entitle you to get inside the golden dome at MUM for a group meditation. For that, you'd probably have to pay thousands of more dollars to learn the TM-Sidhi program. Barry posted that he paid over $5,000 in order to learn how to bun-hop. However, there are lots of places you can learn how to meditate for free. Go figure. And, even if you did learn TM you'd probably be meditating on your own anyway. It's not likely you'd ever get to Fairfield, IA to just be able to join a group meditation inside the MUM women's dome, and there's only three other golden domes that I know of. One is down here at Radiance, TX, at the TM Ideal Village - the Maharishi Golden Dome of Pure Knowledge - home of the Super Radiance Program; and there's a golden dome at Skelmer's Dale - Sidha Land - over in Lancashire, UK; and there's a golden dome called Siddha Dorp over in Lelystad, NE. Not likely you'd be over there anytime soon either, just to be able to meditate inside a golden dome. So, I can speak from some experience having been initiated into TM back in 1964 - according to Beaulah Smith, I was TMer #214 in the U.S. I meditated with MMY himself on several occasions at the SRM and I have learned two advanced techniques from SIMS under Jerry Jarvis in 1965 and Brahmacharya Satyanand in 1968. Before I started TM I was a meditation student at the SRF under Swami Paramahamsa Yogananda in Los Angeles, CA, and I can say without the least hesitation that TM is very similar to the Kriya Yoga that I learned there. Later, I moved to San Francisco, CA and sat under Shunryu Suzuki at the SFZC for two years and then I sat for another year at the Shambhala Meditation Center in Boulder, CO under the direction of Lama Chogyam Trungpa. I've been meditating every day for over forty-nine years and I will attest that meditation is very similar in many different traditions. If you have any question about meditation I could probably teach you how to meditate in just a few minutes. It's not complicated. Self Realization Fellowship: http://www.yogananda-srf.org/ http://www.yogananda-srf.org/ San Francisco Zen Center: http://www.sfzc.org/ http://www.sfzc.org/ Shambhala Meditation Center: http://www.boulder.shambhala.org/ http://www.boulder.shambhala.org/ meditation – noun 1. to think calm thoughts in order to relax or as a religious activity: Sophie meditates for 20 minutes every day. 2. to think seriously about something for a long time: He meditated on the consequences of his decision. Works cited: 'Maharishi - A Promise for the Family of Man' Historic Lecture at Jones Hall, Houston, TX http://youtu.be/k3swI5n_mW0 Cambridge University Dictionary: http://tinyurl.com/dz5ut2 http://tinyurl.com/dz5ut2 On 11/30/2013 11:44 AM, emilymaenot@... mailto:emilymaenot@... wrote: Barry, you stooge. How do you know I never learned to meditate? You would be wrong on that count. I never learned TM, is what I've said. I am contributing to your discussion here by posting this link by Ellen Degeneres on meditation. While deep in meditation designing a pair of sunglasses for her third eye (or something like that) she monologues...the teacher hits the gong and then I jump and I almost yell Oh My God,, but because I'm smart I yell Ohhhm.
RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Poor Judy Stein
P.S. And thank you Richard for offering, but I don't need to be taught how to meditate. I know how. Smile. I like what you said about how meditation is very similar in many different traditions. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymaenot@... wrote: Richard, as far as I'm concerned, if one can breathe, one can meditate. The mind is an endless playground. What it thinks it knows is simply feeding its high opinion of itself. I want to live my life based on core principles and a connection to life that stems from the heart and soul and informs my mind so that it *can* be aware. I do want to improve my character and I want my behavior to reflect my intentions as aligned with the *reality of life and human beingness*. Stilling the mind is helpful to get it out of the way and allow for this possibility to occur. Teaching and training my mind what to pay attention to and how to interpret experience is important also, imho. At this moment, this is my approach. TM isn't a necessary part of this approach. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote: Emily - According to MMY, meditation is based on thinking - Anyone who can think can meditate. Meditation simply means to think things over. Based on that definition, everyone on the entire planet meditates. Everyone pauses once or twice a day to take stock of their own mental contents. And, we're all transcending all the time, even without a special technique! There are a few things about TM that Barry and Judy didn't tell you about TM - it costs thousands of dollars to learn TM, and that alone wouldn't entitle you to get inside the golden dome at MUM for a group meditation. For that, you'd probably have to pay thousands of more dollars to learn the TM-Sidhi program. Barry posted that he paid over $5,000 in order to learn how to bun-hop. However, there are lots of places you can learn how to meditate for free. Go figure. And, even if you did learn TM you'd probably be meditating on your own anyway. It's not likely you'd ever get to Fairfield, IA to just be able to join a group meditation inside the MUM women's dome, and there's only three other golden domes that I know of. One is down here at Radiance, TX, at the TM Ideal Village - the Maharishi Golden Dome of Pure Knowledge - home of the Super Radiance Program; and there's a golden dome at Skelmer's Dale - Sidha Land - over in Lancashire, UK; and there's a golden dome called Siddha Dorp over in Lelystad, NE. Not likely you'd be over there anytime soon either, just to be able to meditate inside a golden dome. So, I can speak from some experience having been initiated into TM back in 1964 - according to Beaulah Smith, I was TMer #214 in the U.S. I meditated with MMY himself on several occasions at the SRM and I have learned two advanced techniques from SIMS under Jerry Jarvis in 1965 and Brahmacharya Satyanand in 1968. Before I started TM I was a meditation student at the SRF under Swami Paramahamsa Yogananda in Los Angeles, CA, and I can say without the least hesitation that TM is very similar to the Kriya Yoga that I learned there. Later, I moved to San Francisco, CA and sat under Shunryu Suzuki at the SFZC for two years and then I sat for another year at the Shambhala Meditation Center in Boulder, CO under the direction of Lama Chogyam Trungpa. I've been meditating every day for over forty-nine years and I will attest that meditation is very similar in many different traditions. If you have any question about meditation I could probably teach you how to meditate in just a few minutes. It's not complicated. Self Realization Fellowship: http://www.yogananda-srf.org/ http://www.yogananda-srf.org/ San Francisco Zen Center: http://www.sfzc.org/ http://www.sfzc.org/ Shambhala Meditation Center: http://www.boulder.shambhala.org/ http://www.boulder.shambhala.org/ meditation – noun 1. to think calm thoughts in order to relax or as a religious activity: Sophie meditates for 20 minutes every day. 2. to think seriously about something for a long time: He meditated on the consequences of his decision. Works cited: 'Maharishi - A Promise for the Family of Man' Historic Lecture at Jones Hall, Houston, TX http://youtu.be/k3swI5n_mW0 Cambridge University Dictionary: http://tinyurl.com/dz5ut2 http://tinyurl.com/dz5ut2 On 11/30/2013 11:44 AM, emilymaenot@... mailto:emilymaenot@... wrote: Barry, you stooge. How do you know I never learned to meditate? You would be wrong on that count. I never learned TM, is what I've said. I am contributing to your discussion here by posting this link by Ellen Degeneres on meditation. While deep in meditation designing a pair of sunglasses for her third eye (or something like that) she monologues...the teacher hits the gong and then I jump and I almost yell Oh My God,, but because I'm smart I yell Ohhhm.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Poor Judy Stein
Ha. Funny scenario discovered on the Internet. You've heard of the movie Snakes On A Plane? Well, this is FFL It's All About Me Behavior On A Plane. :-) http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/29/annoying-airplane-passenger_n_\ 4360667.html http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/29/annoying-airplane-passenger_n_\ 4360667.html http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/29/annoying-airplane-passenger_n_4\ 360667.html http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/29/annoying-airplane-passenger_n_\ 4360667.html Doesn't Diane remind you of anyone, how she wants the world to revolve around her and work the way *she* wants it to work? :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: Here she is having a total meltdown becuz no one believes her crap about being a crusader against dishonesty and even Feste is calling her on her meanness and nails her in a lie about punctuation on blogs and y'know what the worst part is? She can't get anyone to come to her defense the way they used to. The only person who is willing to stand up for Judy any more is the woman who never learned to meditate, has nothing to contribute to the ongoing discussions here, and who only posts to this forum because it gives *her* an opportunity to be mean to people. Birds of a feather, eh? Personally I find it all pretty heartening. A few months ago if Judy had thrown a hissy fit like this and tried to pose as some kind of noble crusader against untruth (because, of course, only SHE knows the truth), she could have gotten a few people to pile on and defend her. But even *they* distance themselves from her these days. Not that that'll stop her, of course. Judy will do what she's always done, and possibly even louder. But at least now she'll be standing in the street screaming like an insane bag lady *all by herself*, and hopefully no one but other crazies will be taken in by the screaming...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Poor Judy Stein
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: Ha. Funny scenario discovered on the Internet. You've heard of the movie Snakes On A Plane? Well, this is FFL It's All About Me Behavior On A Plane. :-) http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/29/annoying-airplane-passenger_n_4\ 360667.html http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/29/annoying-airplane-passenger_n_\ 4360667.html Doesn't Diane remind you of anyone, how she wants the world to revolve around her and work the way *she* wants it to work? :-) This minor Twitter-war has now gone viral, and it's interesting to see different people's reactions to it. By far the majority (close to 80% on the sites I've seen it on) side with Elon. That said, many of them feel that he went over the top in his interactions with beyond-cluelessly-out-of-it Diane. I tend to agree on both fronts -- that he was justified in trying to wake her up to how ridiculously and discourteously she was acting, and that he chose a possibly inappropriate way to do so. And yet, speaking as one who has resorted to such tactics myself, sometimes they seem necessary. The self-centered solipsist is SO lost in his or her head, and SO overshadowed by his or her own petty concerns that there is no ROOM in their awareness for other people, and how their actions may be affecting these others. Once one has tried more subtle methods, and failed, sometimes the ONLY thing that can get to such people is to reveal to them *exactly* how laughable and petty and inconsiderate they're acting by getting as many people as possible to laugh at them. The one thing most solipsists cannot abide is being laughed at, and it's often the one thing -- and only thing -- that can get them to STFU. Clearly this didn't work on Diane, and chances are it never will. From her point of view, lost in her own self-importance, she'll view the fact that now tens of thousands of people are laughing at her as a HUGE affront, as UNFAIR, and above all, as UNDESERVED. All of these people laughing at her are WRONG, damnit, and only *she* is RIGHT, damnit! My bet is that Diane didn't learn a damned thing from the incident itself, won't learn a damned thing from how she is regarded (as a selfish loon) by tens of thousands of people, and will probably act the SAME way on the plane home. This would not surprise me in the least, because of course I've seen the same thing on FFL. What does surprise me a little, however, are the few who seem to view *Diane* as their hero in this scenario. They see nothing whatsoever wrong with her histrionics and her out-of-control anger over a situation *that she could not possibly affect in any way* by bitching and melting down in public and becoming angry and making everyone around her miserable. Her supporters seem to side with her because that's the way they live THEIR lives. The world revolves around them, just as Diane feels that the world centers around her. Someday I hope that this 20% and Diane find themselves on the same plane together, and can make *each other* miserable with their histrionics. They won't learn from THAT, either, but at least they'll have a taste of what their behavior *feels like* to those forced to experience it. Similarly, wouldn't it be interesting to be a fly on the wall (over video, so we didn't have to be subjected to the low-vibeness of it all) when several Diane's from FFL were strapped into a plane together, with *none* of their regular enemies anywhere around. My bet is that it would take less than 15 minutes before they were at each others' throats, and blaming *each other* for the things they usually blame on people not in their clique. With any luck, someone could overhear the resulting cat fight, capture it all verbatim, and broadcast it to the world via Twitter. Maybe then they'd realize how ridiculous they are. Maybe.
[FairfieldLife] RE: Poor Judy Stein
Are you insane? That I've been on a crusade against dishonesty here for years, and that you are a sadistic liar, is not even in dispute. I don't need anybody to come to my defense concerning facts known to all. Nor does it make any sense for the shlub who addressed two--count 'em, two--SHUT THE FUCK UP posts to poor dear Share to complain about anybody else's unkindness. But it was extraordinarily stupid of you to attack Emily, of all people, probably the sanest and most reasonable person on FFL. Also distinctly foolhardy to claim I've been lying about the periods-between-every-word thing when you know it's true and that I can (and will) prove it. Trivial, but so representative. Go wy back and SIDDOWN. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAJfqldrZ3g http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAJfqldrZ3g ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote: Here she is having a total meltdown becuz no one believes her crap about being a crusader against dishonesty and even Feste is calling her on her meanness and nails her in a lie about punctuation on blogs and y'know what the worst part is? She can't get anyone to come to her defense the way they used to. The only person who is willing to stand up for Judy any more is the woman who never learned to meditate, has nothing to contribute to the ongoing discussions here, and who only posts to this forum because it gives *her* an opportunity to be mean to people. Birds of a feather, eh? Personally I find it all pretty heartening. A few months ago if Judy had thrown a hissy fit like this and tried to pose as some kind of noble crusader against untruth (because, of course, only SHE knows the truth), she could have gotten a few people to pile on and defend her. But even *they* distance themselves from her these days. Not that that'll stop her, of course. Judy will do what she's always done, and possibly even louder. But at least now she'll be standing in the street screaming like an insane bag lady *all by herself*, and hopefully no one but other crazies will be taken in by the screaming...
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Poor Judy Stein
Now this really funny - FFL as 'Snakes on a Plane. One thing is NOT in dispute: that Judy is mean and sometimes downright nasty and often resorts to using an echo in a debate as a way of avoiding the issue at hand. LoL! On 11/30/2013 3:55 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: Ha. Funny scenario discovered on the Internet. You've heard of the movie Snakes On A Plane? Well, this is FFL It's All About Me Behavior On A Plane. :-) http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/29/annoying-airplane-passenger_n_4360667.html Doesn't Diane remind you of anyone, how she wants the world to revolve around her and work the way *she* wants it to work? :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: Here she is having a total meltdown becuz no one believes her crap about being a crusader against dishonesty and even Feste is calling her on her meanness and nails her in a lie about punctuation on blogs and y'know what the worst part is? She can't get anyone to come to her defense the way they used to. The only person who is willing to stand up for Judy any more is the woman who never learned to meditate, has nothing to contribute to the ongoing discussions here, and who only posts to this forum because it gives *her* an opportunity to be mean to people. Birds of a feather, eh? Personally I find it all pretty heartening. A few months ago if Judy had thrown a hissy fit like this and tried to pose as some kind of noble crusader against untruth (because, of course, only SHE knows the truth), she could have gotten a few people to pile on and defend her. But even *they* distance themselves from her these days. Not that that'll stop her, of course. Judy will do what she's always done, and possibly even louder. But at least now she'll be standing in the street screaming like an insane bag lady *all by herself*, and hopefully no one but other crazies will be taken in by the screaming...
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Poor Judy Stein
Deny everything; blame others; and be bitter. On 11/30/2013 8:25 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: *Are you /insane/? That I've been on a crusade against dishonesty here for years, and that you are a sadistic liar, is not even in dispute. I don't need anybody to come to my defense concerning facts known to all. Nor does it make any sense for the shlub who addressed two--count 'em, two--SHUT THE FUCK UP posts to poor dear Share to complain about anybody else's unkindness.* * * *But it was extraordinarily stupid of you to attack Emily, of all people, probably the sanest and most reasonable person on FFL. Also distinctly foolhardy to claim I've been lying about the periods-between-every-word thing when you know it's true and that I can (and will) prove it. Trivial, but so representative.* * * *Go /wy/ back and SIDDOWN.* http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAJfqldrZ3g ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote: Here she is having a total meltdown becuz no one believes her crap about being a crusader against dishonesty and even Feste is calling her on her meanness and nails her in a lie about punctuation on blogs and y'know what the worst part is? She can't get anyone to come to her defense the way they used to. The only person who is willing to stand up for Judy any more is the woman who never learned to meditate, has nothing to contribute to the ongoing discussions here, and who only posts to this forum because it gives *her* an opportunity to be mean to people. Birds of a feather, eh? Personally I find it all pretty heartening. A few months ago if Judy had thrown a hissy fit like this and tried to pose as some kind of noble crusader against untruth (because, of course, only SHE knows the truth), she could have gotten a few people to pile on and defend her. But even *they* distance themselves from her these days. Not that that'll stop her, of course. Judy will do what she's always done, and possibly even louder. But at least now she'll be standing in the street screaming like an insane bag lady *all by herself*, and hopefully no one but other crazies will be taken in by the screaming...
[FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Judy Stein#39;s Definition Of What Constitutes A LIE
Thanks, Ann, I trust most of the posters here and or enjoy their posts. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote: Share, take a moment and have a care. You are moving into some dangerous territory for yourself as an individual and as a human being. Be careful that you do not use the mistaken and erroneous notions of your faux friend Barry and your well-intentioned but not-really-helping-you associate Feste to launch into this head space of yours. I don't think it is a healthy one or somewhere that is characterized by what is real or what is true. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: Judy first ran her number on me on Sept 9, 2012. She said that I did such and such in my post to RWC. She did not qualify with in my opinion or it sounds like or even I think. Of course she didn't ask me if I was doing such and such. She just declared that I did such and such as if she could see inside my head and know, without error, what I had been thinking and feeling. I had never experienced someone communicating like that. It was like a foreign language and as such, I didn't even know how to respond. I've come to think that no matter what anyone says, Judy will not change. In fact, I've come to think that she likes it when she has to fight with everyone. On Saturday, November 30, 2013 8:19 AM, TurquoiseB turquoiseb@... wrote: Because, despite my nearly two decades of trying to educate people -- first on alt.meditation.transcendental and now on Fairfield Life -- as to what a LIE is, I find many of them still confused. Because it is my God-given duty and dharma to be the Keeper Of The Truth, I felt I should write a short manifesto explaining to these retards what exactly a LIE is, so they can recognize when they're doing it, and thus LYING. * Disagreeing with me on *any* subject about which I am posing as an expert -- even if they have experienced the phenomenon or SoC or events being discussed and I have only read about them or heard about them -- is a lie. I am RIGHT, and they are WRONG, and to be WRONG is to LIE. * Holding a different opinion of me, my behavior, and the motives for my behavior than I hold is a LIE. I *know* The Truth about myself, my behavior, and my motives, and if they hold a different view, and express it despite my corrections, they're LYING. * Saying something negative about someone I regard as a friend (even though I've never met them and never will) or as an ally (the enemy of my enemy is my friend) is a LIE. I will defend these allies to the death, and make excuses for *their* LIES with the same vehemence with which I put down the LIES of those who persecute them. * Saying something positive about someone I view negatively is by definition a LIE. The very fact that they don't see this person the way I see them reveals how REEAALLLY REEAALLLY STOOOPID they are, and how smart and superior I am. If they persist in viewing these hooligans positively in the face of my corrections, they're LYING, pure and simple. * Suggesting that *I* have LIED is even more by definition a LIE, because as we all know, I DON'T LIE. I have declared this, so it is TRUE, and never to be contradicted. I am the ONLY person on this forum who cares about The Truth, as well as the ONLY person who *knows* The Truth. Challenge this at your own peril, you LIARS! * Claiming that I persecute or harass people by posting literally hundreds of posts ragging on them per year -- year after year -- is a LIE. I am merely pursuing my dharma, which is to be the Keeper Of The Truth. They *deserve* my invective and my continued attention; I am trying to *help* them by revealing to them what big, fat LIARS they are, and trying to help them see The Truth. Which is that they should always agree with me, of course. * Whenever I criticize or make negative comments about someone, these things should be viewed as The Truth that they are. Challenging them or disagreeing with them is by definition a LIE. Furthermore, when I say these things about someone else, that person *owes me* a point-by-point response to all the things I *know* about them because these things are The Truth. When someone says something negative about me, I owe them nothing but to call them what they are -- a LIAR. See my responses to Richard for the template. * Laughing at me and my behavior is a particularly insidious form of LIE. I *know* The Truth, About Almost Everything, and so my words must be treated with the level of respect and awe I expect. Anything less is a kind of implicit LIE, a suggestion that I don't really *know* the things I claim to know, and that I'm just spouting opinion, like everyone else here. I am NOT like everyone else here; I'm better, smarter, and always RIGHT. Dispute this in any way, and you're LYING. * Finally, writing something and attributing it to me as if I had written it -- no matter how
[FairfieldLife] RE: Re: Judy Stein#39;s Definition Of What Constitutes A LIE
Yet another thoroughly and deliberately dishonest post from Barry, as anyone who has followed my posts over the years knows. I have plenty of interesting things going on in my mundane and spiritual lives. They are not, however, things that I would want to write about on this forum, for various reasons, including some that should be obvious. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: turq, I'm agin it on all levels. And I don't think Ms. Stein really knows what she hopes to accomplish by all this harassing and name calling. The payoff for her is attention. She's never had the intelligence, creativity, or humanity to gain it from any means other than getting people to argue with her, so she continues to use the methods that have worked for her in the past. If she had interesting things going on in her mundane life, she'd write about them. If she had interesting things going on in her spiritual life, she'd write about them. If she had anything to *contribute*, she'd be contributing. Instead, she picks enemies and stalks them. Go figure. I sure hope the attention she feels she gets from this is worth it. Seems to me it would have been SO much easier just to be interesting. On Saturday, November 30, 2013 10:31 AM, TurquoiseB turquoiseb@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Judy, what's the action step? What is it that you'd like to see happen? How do you feel -- personally, emotionally, and morally -- about waterboarding? :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@ wrote: See, this is what happens when a group tolerates dishonesty. When there are no sanctions against it, not even disapproval, even the weaker members start using dishonesty to justify themselves, as Share does here. The more people who feel safe being dishonest, the more a mythical, false story about the group and its members and interactions takes shape and displaces the real one. History, as they say, is written by the winners, so those who care about having an accurate history need to ensure the liars don't win. Here's the post in question; decide for yourselves whether Share's description of it below is truthful (note the many qualifying phrases that Share flatly denies it contained--including, ironically, it sounds like, which she specifically mentions below): http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/\ http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/\ \ 319521 Plus which, as I've pointed out before, Share had gotten on my bad side well before this. Share lied: Judy first ran her number on me on Sept 9, 2012. She said that I did such and such in my post to RWC. She did not qualify with in my opinion or it sounds like or even I think. Of course she didn't ask me if I was doing such and such. She just declared that I did such and such as if she could see inside my head and know, without error, what I had been thinking and feeling. I had never experienced someone communicating like that. It was like a foreign language and as such, I didn't even know how to respond. I've come to think that no matter what anyone says, Judy will not change. In fact, I've come to think that she likes it when she has to fight with everyone.
[FairfieldLife] RE: Poor Judy Stein
Barry, you stooge. How do you know I never learned to meditate? You would be wrong on that count. I never learned TM, is what I've said. I am contributing to your discussion here by posting this link by Ellen Degeneres on meditation. While deep in meditation designing a pair of sunglasses for her third eye (or something like that) she monologues...the teacher hits the gong and then I jump and I almost yell Oh My God,, but because I'm smart I yell Ohhhm. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G91AUG7N3rU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G91AUG7N3rU That was kind of a weak and limp shot below the belt, you stating that the only reason I'm here is for the opportunity to be mean to others. You can do better than that. Try again? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote: Here she is having a total meltdown becuz no one believes her crap about being a crusader against dishonesty and even Feste is calling her on her meanness and nails her in a lie about punctuation on blogs and y'know what the worst part is? She can't get anyone to come to her defense the way they used to. The only person who is willing to stand up for Judy any more is the woman who never learned to meditate, has nothing to contribute to the ongoing discussions here, and who only posts to this forum because it gives *her* an opportunity to be mean to people. Birds of a feather, eh? Personally I find it all pretty heartening. A few months ago if Judy had thrown a hissy fit like this and tried to pose as some kind of noble crusader against untruth (because, of course, only SHE knows the truth), she could have gotten a few people to pile on and defend her. But even *they* distance themselves from her these days. Not that that'll stop her, of course. Judy will do what she's always done, and possibly even louder. But at least now she'll be standing in the street screaming like an insane bag lady *all by herself*, and hopefully no one but other crazies will be taken in by the screaming...
[FairfieldLife] RE: Re: Judy Stein#39;s Definition Of What Constitutes A LIE
Now that was pretty funny. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: Some people on FFL forget it's just a chat group. That should be the mantra of Fairfield Life: IT'S JUST A CHAT GROUP The TM advanced technique version would be: GET OVER IT, NAMAH, NAMAH http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1H-Y7MAASkg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1H-Y7MAASkg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1H-Y7MAASkghttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1H-Y7MAASkg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1H-Y7MAASkg :-)
[FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Judy Stein#39;s Definition Of What Constitutes A LIE
It's interesting, I put up that Barry's Fantasy Image of Judy photo years ago to make a little fun of him, but he apparently took it quite seriously and almost immediately became obsessed with the image, reposting it over and over and even fantasizing it as a crop circle. By this time, it seems to have taken over his brain. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Barry, You have probably spent more time analyzing, responding to, and just plain day-dreaming, about Judy, than I have about my wife, and we live under the same roof. Scary shit, though I will definitely leave it to you, as I'd rather spend my time in Reality - no offense. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote: Because, despite my nearly two decades of trying to educate people -- first on alt.meditation.transcendental and now on Fairfield Life -- as to what a LIE is, I find many of them still confused. Because it is my God-given duty and dharma to be the Keeper Of The Truth, I felt I should write a short manifesto explaining to these retards what exactly a LIE is, so they can recognize when they're doing it, and thus LYING. * Disagreeing with me on *any* subject about which I am posing as an expert -- even if they have experienced the phenomenon or SoC or events being discussed and I have only read about them or heard about them -- is a lie. I am RIGHT, and they are WRONG, and to be WRONG is to LIE. * Holding a different opinion of me, my behavior, and the motives for my behavior than I hold is a LIE. I *know* The Truth about myself, my behavior, and my motives, and if they hold a different view, and express it despite my corrections, they're LYING. * Saying something negative about someone I regard as a friend (even though I've never met them and never will) or as an ally (the enemy of my enemy is my friend) is a LIE. I will defend these allies to the death, and make excuses for *their* LIES with the same vehemence with which I put down the LIES of those who persecute them. * Saying something positive about someone I view negatively is by definition a LIE. The very fact that they don't see this person the way I see them reveals how REEAALLLY REEAALLLY STOOOPID they are, and how smart and superior I am. If they persist in viewing these hooligans positively in the face of my corrections, they're LYING, pure and simple. * Suggesting that *I* have LIED is even more by definition a LIE, because as we all know, I DON'T LIE. I have declared this, so it is TRUE, and never to be contradicted. I am the ONLY person on this forum who cares about The Truth, as well as the ONLY person who *knows* The Truth. Challenge this at your own peril, you LIARS! * Claiming that I persecute or harass people by posting literally hundreds of posts ragging on them per year -- year after year -- is a LIE. I am merely pursuing my dharma, which is to be the Keeper Of The Truth. They *deserve* my invective and my continued attention; I am trying to *help* them by revealing to them what big, fat LIARS they are, and trying to help them see The Truth. Which is that they should always agree with me, of course. * Whenever I criticize or make negative comments about someone, these things should be viewed as The Truth that they are. Challenging them or disagreeing with them is by definition a LIE. Furthermore, when I say these things about someone else, that person *owes me* a point-by-point response to all the things I *know* about them because these things are The Truth. When someone says something negative about me, I owe them nothing but to call them what they are -- a LIAR. See my responses to Richard for the template. * Laughing at me and my behavior is a particularly insidious form of LIE. I *know* The Truth, About Almost Everything, and so my words must be treated with the level of respect and awe I expect. Anything less is a kind of implicit LIE, a suggestion that I don't really *know* the things I claim to know, and that I'm just spouting opinion, like everyone else here. I am NOT like everyone else here; I'm better, smarter, and always RIGHT. Dispute this in any way, and you're LYING. * Finally, writing something and attributing it to me as if I had written it -- no matter how accurate it is -- is by definition a LIE. Ignore the fact that I have failed to condemn several of my allies (for example, Robin, Ravi, Jimbo, and others) when they have done this to other people. They were *justified* in doing this to these other LIARS, because *I DON'T LIKE THEM*. But when someone does this to me, it's a LIE of the basest sort. :-) [ For the record, the above was *not* written by Judy Stein. It was written in a Dutch pub just for fun by someone channeling her, and saying what she would say if she were actually capable of telling The Truth she claims to care so much about. ]
[FairfieldLife] RE: Poor Judy Stein
Perhaps you'd be happier discussing your prayer practice here ... http://forums.catholic.com/ http://forums.catholic.com/ ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, emilymaenot@... wrote: Amen. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill@... wrote: Just keep praying Santa, Santa come swiftly to my aid. No doubt if you also pray Holy Mother of Santa pray for me both now and in my hour of need you'll also see a miracle. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymaenot@... wrote: Look what I found on the Catholic Answers website! The answer to the age-old question, Is there a Santa Claus? You have probably seen this, but I am submitting it for review anyhow and letting you know I am putting my faith in Santa to protect me from the Great Demon, as of today. http://www.newseum.org/yesvirginia/ http://www.newseum.org/yesvirginia/ ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill@... wrote: If Ellen Degenerate is your authoritative source for what constitutes meditation, then you'd off be better consulting Catholic Answers for another way to be thoughtless. After all, a blank mind is the demon's playground and, of course, the Great Demon has a bulls-eye on your third-eye. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymaenot@... wrote: Barry, you stooge. How do you know I never learned to meditate? You would be wrong on that count. I never learned TM, is what I've said. I am contributing to your discussion here by posting this link by Ellen Degeneres on meditation. While deep in meditation designing a pair of sunglasses for her third eye (or something like that) she monologues...the teacher hits the gong and then I jump and I almost yell Oh My God,, but because I'm smart I yell Ohhhm. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G91AUG7N3rU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G91AUG7N3rU That was kind of a weak and limp shot below the belt, you stating that the only reason I'm here is for the opportunity to be mean to others. You can do better than that. Try again? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote: Here she is having a total meltdown becuz no one believes her crap about being a crusader against dishonesty and even Feste is calling her on her meanness and nails her in a lie about punctuation on blogs and y'know what the worst part is? She can't get anyone to come to her defense the way they used to. The only person who is willing to stand up for Judy any more is the woman who never learned to meditate, has nothing to contribute to the ongoing discussions here, and who only posts to this forum because it gives *her* an opportunity to be mean to people. Birds of a feather, eh? Personally I find it all pretty heartening. A few months ago if Judy had thrown a hissy fit like this and tried to pose as some kind of noble crusader against untruth (because, of course, only SHE knows the truth), she could have gotten a few people to pile on and defend her. But even *they* distance themselves from her these days. Not that that'll stop her, of course. Judy will do what she's always done, and possibly even louder. But at least now she'll be standing in the street screaming like an insane bag lady *all by herself*, and hopefully no one but other crazies will be taken in by the screaming...
[FairfieldLife] RE: Poor Judy Stein
Better yet, go here to learn why you should never do Transcendental Meditation. You'll see why how lucky you were to be saved from this danger. http://www.catholic.com/search/content/transcendental%20meditation http://www.catholic.com/search/content/transcendental%20meditation ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill@... wrote: Perhaps you'd be happier discussing your prayer practice here ... http://forums.catholic.com/ http://forums.catholic.com/ ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, emilymaenot@... wrote: Amen. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill@... wrote: Just keep praying Santa, Santa come swiftly to my aid. No doubt if you also pray Holy Mother of Santa pray for me both now and in my hour of need you'll also see a miracle. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymaenot@... wrote: Look what I found on the Catholic Answers website! The answer to the age-old question, Is there a Santa Claus? You have probably seen this, but I am submitting it for review anyhow and letting you know I am putting my faith in Santa to protect me from the Great Demon, as of today. http://www.newseum.org/yesvirginia/ http://www.newseum.org/yesvirginia/ ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill@... wrote: If Ellen Degenerate is your authoritative source for what constitutes meditation, then you'd off be better consulting Catholic Answers for another way to be thoughtless. After all, a blank mind is the demon's playground and, of course, the Great Demon has a bulls-eye on your third-eye. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymaenot@... wrote: Barry, you stooge. How do you know I never learned to meditate? You would be wrong on that count. I never learned TM, is what I've said. I am contributing to your discussion here by posting this link by Ellen Degeneres on meditation. While deep in meditation designing a pair of sunglasses for her third eye (or something like that) she monologues...the teacher hits the gong and then I jump and I almost yell Oh My God,, but because I'm smart I yell Ohhhm. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G91AUG7N3rU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G91AUG7N3rU That was kind of a weak and limp shot below the belt, you stating that the only reason I'm here is for the opportunity to be mean to others. You can do better than that. Try again? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote: Here she is having a total meltdown becuz no one believes her crap about being a crusader against dishonesty and even Feste is calling her on her meanness and nails her in a lie about punctuation on blogs and y'know what the worst part is? She can't get anyone to come to her defense the way they used to. The only person who is willing to stand up for Judy any more is the woman who never learned to meditate, has nothing to contribute to the ongoing discussions here, and who only posts to this forum because it gives *her* an opportunity to be mean to people. Birds of a feather, eh? Personally I find it all pretty heartening. A few months ago if Judy had thrown a hissy fit like this and tried to pose as some kind of noble crusader against untruth (because, of course, only SHE knows the truth), she could have gotten a few people to pile on and defend her. But even *they* distance themselves from her these days. Not that that'll stop her, of course. Judy will do what she's always done, and possibly even louder. But at least now she'll be standing in the street screaming like an insane bag lady *all by herself*, and hopefully no one but other crazies will be taken in by the screaming...
[FairfieldLife] RE: Poor Judy Stein
A heart with only a single ear can only hear half of what it listening to - whether in this world or the next. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, emilymaenot@... wrote: Listen and attend with the ear of your heart. Saint Benedict ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill@... wrote: Perhaps you'd be happier discussing your prayer practice here ... http://forums.catholic.com/ http://forums.catholic.com/ ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, emilymaenot@... wrote: Amen. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill@... wrote: Just keep praying Santa, Santa come swiftly to my aid. No doubt if you also pray Holy Mother of Santa pray for me both now and in my hour of need you'll also see a miracle. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymaenot@... wrote: Look what I found on the Catholic Answers website! The answer to the age-old question, Is there a Santa Claus? You have probably seen this, but I am submitting it for review anyhow and letting you know I am putting my faith in Santa to protect me from the Great Demon, as of today. http://www.newseum.org/yesvirginia/ http://www.newseum.org/yesvirginia/ ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill@... wrote: If Ellen Degenerate is your authoritative source for what constitutes meditation, then you'd off be better consulting Catholic Answers for another way to be thoughtless. After all, a blank mind is the demon's playground and, of course, the Great Demon has a bulls-eye on your third-eye. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymaenot@... wrote: Barry, you stooge. How do you know I never learned to meditate? You would be wrong on that count. I never learned TM, is what I've said. I am contributing to your discussion here by posting this link by Ellen Degeneres on meditation. While deep in meditation designing a pair of sunglasses for her third eye (or something like that) she monologues...the teacher hits the gong and then I jump and I almost yell Oh My God,, but because I'm smart I yell Ohhhm. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G91AUG7N3rU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G91AUG7N3rU That was kind of a weak and limp shot below the belt, you stating that the only reason I'm here is for the opportunity to be mean to others. You can do better than that. Try again? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote: Here she is having a total meltdown becuz no one believes her crap about being a crusader against dishonesty and even Feste is calling her on her meanness and nails her in a lie about punctuation on blogs and y'know what the worst part is? She can't get anyone to come to her defense the way they used to. The only person who is willing to stand up for Judy any more is the woman who never learned to meditate, has nothing to contribute to the ongoing discussions here, and who only posts to this forum because it gives *her* an opportunity to be mean to people. Birds of a feather, eh? Personally I find it all pretty heartening. A few months ago if Judy had thrown a hissy fit like this and tried to pose as some kind of noble crusader against untruth (because, of course, only SHE knows the truth), she could have gotten a few people to pile on and defend her. But even *they* distance themselves from her these days. Not that that'll stop her, of course. Judy will do what she's always done, and possibly even louder. But at least now she'll be standing in the street screaming like an insane bag lady *all by herself*, and hopefully no one but other crazies will be taken in by the screaming...
[FairfieldLife] RE: Is Judy stuck in a quot;first person shooterquot; game?
One more instance of Barry attributing his own bad behavior to others. When he tries to start arguments, he calls it pushing buttons. And he does it more than anyone else here. (The post I'm responding to is, of course, an example.) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote: Just a fun conjecture, based on this fascinating article. It sounds plausible to me, because what *else* could explain her (and Robin's) seeming need to start arguments, start shooting at the other parties in the arguments, and then strive to keep the arguments going as long as they possibly can. There must be a payoff for them in this. Maybe it's the flow this person writes about. http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/elements/2013/11/the-psychology-of-first-person-shooter-games.html http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/elements/2013/11/the-psychology-of-first-person-shooter-games.html
[FairfieldLife] RE: Is Judy stuck in a quot;first person shooterquot; game?
Barry, what you say here is also weird. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote: Just a fun conjecture, based on this fascinating article. It sounds plausible to me, because what *else* could explain her (and Robin's) seeming need to start arguments, start shooting at the other parties in the arguments, and then strive to keep the arguments going as long as they possibly can. There must be a payoff for them in this. Maybe it's the flow this person writes about. http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/elements/2013/11/the-psychology-of-first-person-shooter-games.html http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/elements/2013/11/the-psychology-of-first-person-shooter-games.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: helping Judy with not average
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Judy has said that she thinks Robin is not average. She has also said that she has NOT said that he's above average. Very clever is our Judy. Does this mean that she thinks Robin is BELOW average?! Helping her out, perhaps she meant that she thinks Robin is: Allegorically average Beatifically Chronologically Dormantly Ecumenically Fortuitously Gloriously Horizontally Interestingly Jauntily Kinesthetically Languidly Moderately Nautically Occularly Preternatually Quintessentially Robustly Singularly Talamudically Uniquely : Voluminously Whimsically Xenophobically Youthfully Zealously I see you broke out the thesaurus today. Tomorrow we are having a spelling bee and the day after, the geography quiz. In the meantime, three Hail Marys and four Lord's Prayers for being petty, vindictive and small minded. I would like to think that might heal you since your other 99 modalities have apparently failed to.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: helping Judy with not average
On 7/1/2013 7:41 PM, Ann wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Judy has said that she thinks Robin is not average. She has also said that she has NOT said that he's above average. Very clever is our Judy. Does this mean that she thinks Robin is BELOW average?! Helping her out, perhaps she meant that she thinks Robin is: Allegorically average Beatifically Chronologically Dormantly Ecumenically Fortuitously Gloriously Horizontally Interestingly Jauntily Kinesthetically Languidly Moderately Nautically Occularly Preternatually Quintessentially Robustly Singularly Talamudically Uniquely : Voluminously Whimsically Xenophobically Youthfully Zealously I see you broke out the thesaurus today. Tomorrow we are having a spelling bee and the day after, the geography quiz. In the meantime, three Hail Marys and four Lord's Prayers for being petty, vindictive and small minded. I would like to think that might heal you since your other 99 modalities have apparently failed to. I don't think Share is in a space to see how ridiculous she sounded in her exchange with Judy - she is no shape to see her petty, vindictive small-mindedness. Oh well - we can always talk about coming transits.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Share, Judy and Robin, was J gets another fact wrong and S apologizes to R
Share Long: Richard, is this there one of them there red herrings or Aunt Sallys or straw individuals? No, just free advice so you don't get your mind raped. LoL! And hopefully by now MJ realizes that you love to taunt him about allegedly being an MIU student. Never heard of a college student that didn't take English or History. There's no 'MJ' Share, it's just another anonymous informant, poioning the well. Nobody I know ever heard of him up there, baking or otherwise. So, we haven't heard the full story, obviously. After reading TM discussion groups for fifteen years, I can say without the least hesitation, there's always an untold story. Take the example of Lon P. Stacks or Steve Perino. Why anyone would want to be a 'baker' up at MIU and not pursue a degree in cookin is beyond me. Curtis got a degree in Philosophy up there and Kirk Bernhardt got a degree in English from MIU, so I know it can be done. So, what's the point? Alex don't need no stinkin' MUM degree because he's already living in Heaven on Earth out there. Go figure. Ok, Judy, apologies accepted, thank you. When someone says they believe they can tell you what to think, you have the right to tell them you believe you have the right to tell them where to go. LoL! Moving on, you think I was wrong when I said psychologically raped to Robin.àI think I was emotionally upset, as well as overwhelmed by many other inputs.àI think I was lacking in psychological development.àI think I was lacking in certain communication skills. Nonetheless I think my POV is more accurate and inclusive of the whole truth than yours. And my inner Xeno is smiling wryly about that. My statements on and about Sept 6 were all genuine expressions of how I was feeling when I wrote them. Even now I assess those posts as accurately reporting that I was very upset with Robin and also giving him the benefit of the doubt because I wanted to see if there was a way to continue being friends.àIt is true that I was experiencing a mix and range of physical and emotional states from grumpiness to feeling psychologically raped. Mix and range of inner experiences is something humans experience. Though evidently not all humans recognize this fact. In addition, every time Xeno, Curtis, Steve, feste and others write about this, their clarity and greater objectivity has helped me understand what was often subjective and emotionally challenging for me. So I am grateful to them all for helping me find the words to understand events and individuals that I'm still trying to understand. And I continue to incorporate their understandings and wordings into my thinking and writing about it. EMILY, take note, my incorporating of the insights of others will continue to happen. Judy, it's not that I keep going lower and lower. It's that your assessment of your POV keeps going higher and higher.àIndicating only that it's all relative. As for your concern about Robin's reputation, as one poster recently said here, what I said was a blip on the screen in comparison to Robin's own posts. I'd add that the postings of many of his supporters also affects his reputation negatively, as difficult as that might be for them to acknowledge. Reasonable people everywhere will consider all that is pertinent.àOr maybe ignore the whole thing. Beyond that it is the workings of karma. Poor archives, still being selectively eschewed by Judy. Correcting Judy: I joined FFL in May 2012 and Robin rejoined in June 2012. You are absolutely right, my mistake, and my apologies. Robin *first* joined FFL in June 2011, left in January 2012, and returned in June. You joined in May 2012, as you say. Apparently I conflated the two June dates. I should have double-checked. However, my point stands: You were not new either to FFL or to Robin at the time he made the remarks that you decided four weeks later constituted psychological rape. You had been on FFL for three-and-a-half months, and your conversations with Robin had begun in early July, two months previously.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Share, Judy and Robin, was J gets another fact wrong and S apologizes to R
I assume you write these things to amuse yourself, I hope so because if you are serious you are showing amazing stupidity and ignorance. I was never a student at MIU - I was on staff. There was no degree in baking at MIU nor is there one now at MUM. They don't and didn't seem to value practical degrees, just mainly degrees in vedic this and that and consciousness that and this. I already gave you the names of most of the cooks in the time I was there - the fact that you don't know then is none of my concern Why I bother to respond to your ignorance is beyond me - I guess if when I was the baker I had fashioned buddhist stupas out of dough and worn them on my head, I might have gotten more out of my time at Marshy I want your money University. From: Richard J. Williams rich...@rwilliams.us To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2013 11:21 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Share, Judy and Robin, was J gets another fact wrong and S apologizes to R Share Long: Richard, is this there one of them there red herrings or Aunt Sallys or straw individuals? No, just free advice so you don't get your mind raped. LoL! And hopefully by now MJ realizes that you love to taunt him about allegedly being an MIU student. Never heard of a college student that didn't take English or History. There's no 'MJ' Share, it's just another anonymous informant, poioning the well. Nobody I know ever heard of him up there, baking or otherwise. So, we haven't heard the full story, obviously. After reading TM discussion groups for fifteen years, I can say without the least hesitation, there's always an untold story. Take the example of Lon P. Stacks or Steve Perino. Why anyone would want to be a 'baker' up at MIU and not pursue a degree in cookin is beyond me. Curtis got a degree in Philosophy up there and Kirk Bernhardt got a degree in English from MIU, so I know it can be done. So, what's the point? Alex don't need no stinkin' MUM degree because he's already living in Heaven on Earth out there. Go figure. Ok, Judy, apologies accepted, thank you. When someone says they believe they can tell you what to think, you have the right to tell them you believe you have the right to tell them where to go. LoL! Moving on, you think I was wrong when I said psychologically raped to Robin. I think I was emotionally upset, as well as overwhelmed by many other inputs. I think I was lacking in psychological development. I think I was lacking in certain communication skills. Nonetheless I think my POV is more accurate and inclusive of the whole truth than yours. And my inner Xeno is smiling wryly about that. My statements on and about Sept 6 were all genuine expressions of how I was feeling when I wrote them. Even now I assess those posts as accurately reporting that I was very upset with Robin and also giving him the benefit of the doubt because I wanted to see if there was a way to continue being friends. It is true that I was experiencing a mix and range of physical and emotional states from grumpiness to feeling psychologically raped. Mix and range of inner experiences is something humans experience. Though evidently not all humans recognize this fact. In addition, every time Xeno, Curtis, Steve, feste and others write about this, their clarity and greater objectivity has helped me understand what was often subjective and emotionally challenging for me. So I am grateful to them all for helping me find the words to understand events and individuals that I'm still trying to understand. And I continue to incorporate their understandings and wordings into my thinking and writing about it. EMILY, take note, my incorporating of the insights of others will continue to happen. Judy, it's not that I keep going lower and lower. It's that your assessment of your POV keeps going higher and higher. Indicating only that it's all relative. As for your concern about Robin's reputation, as one poster recently said here, what I said was a blip on the screen in comparison to Robin's own posts. I'd add that the postings of many of his supporters also affects his reputation negatively, as difficult as that might be for them to acknowledge. Reasonable people everywhere will consider all that is pertinent. Or maybe ignore the whole thing. Beyond that it is the workings of karma. Poor archives, still being selectively eschewed by Judy. Correcting Judy: I joined FFL in May 2012 and Robin rejoined in June 2012. You are absolutely right, my mistake, and my apologies. Robin *first* joined FFL in June 2011, left in January 2012, and returned in June. You joined in May 2012, as you say. Apparently I conflated the two June dates. I should have double-checked
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Share, Judy and Robin, was J gets another fact wrong and S apologizes to R
RICHARD! I think I'm doing pretty dang good with the boundary setting but YMMV. Go figure and LOL too! Actually I think MIU did have some certificate programs for cooking and woodworking and ayurveda teching and such. PS I admit that after my posts to Doc this morning I'm worried that Robin will henceforth be known in cyberspace as he who psychologically raped a Seriously Excitable Vegetable. From: Richard J. Williams rich...@rwilliams.us To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2013 10:21 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Share, Judy and Robin, was J gets another fact wrong and S apologizes to R Share Long: Richard, is this there one of them there red herrings or Aunt Sallys or straw individuals? No, just free advice so you don't get your mind raped. LoL! And hopefully by now MJ realizes that you love to taunt him about allegedly being an MIU student. Never heard of a college student that didn't take English or History. There's no 'MJ' Share, it's just another anonymous informant, poioning the well. Nobody I know ever heard of him up there, baking or otherwise. So, we haven't heard the full story, obviously. After reading TM discussion groups for fifteen years, I can say without the least hesitation, there's always an untold story. Take the example of Lon P. Stacks or Steve Perino. Why anyone would want to be a 'baker' up at MIU and not pursue a degree in cookin is beyond me. Curtis got a degree in Philosophy up there and Kirk Bernhardt got a degree in English from MIU, so I know it can be done. So, what's the point? Alex don't need no stinkin' MUM degree because he's already living in Heaven on Earth out there. Go figure. Ok, Judy, apologies accepted, thank you. When someone says they believe they can tell you what to think, you have the right to tell them you believe you have the right to tell them where to go. LoL! Moving on, you think I was wrong when I said psychologically raped to Robin. I think I was emotionally upset, as well as overwhelmed by many other inputs. I think I was lacking in psychological development. I think I was lacking in certain communication skills. Nonetheless I think my POV is more accurate and inclusive of the whole truth than yours. And my inner Xeno is smiling wryly about that. My statements on and about Sept 6 were all genuine expressions of how I was feeling when I wrote them. Even now I assess those posts as accurately reporting that I was very upset with Robin and also giving him the benefit of the doubt because I wanted to see if there was a way to continue being friends. It is true that I was experiencing a mix and range of physical and emotional states from grumpiness to feeling psychologically raped. Mix and range of inner experiences is something humans experience. Though evidently not all humans recognize this fact. In addition, every time Xeno, Curtis, Steve, feste and others write about this, their clarity and greater objectivity has helped me understand what was often subjective and emotionally challenging for me. So I am grateful to them all for helping me find the words to understand events and individuals that I'm still trying to understand. And I continue to incorporate their understandings and wordings into my thinking and writing about it. EMILY, take note, my incorporating of the insights of others will continue to happen. Judy, it's not that I keep going lower and lower. It's that your assessment of your POV keeps going higher and higher. Indicating only that it's all relative. As for your concern about Robin's reputation, as one poster recently said here, what I said was a blip on the screen in comparison to Robin's own posts. I'd add that the postings of many of his supporters also affects his reputation negatively, as difficult as that might be for them to acknowledge. Reasonable people everywhere will consider all that is pertinent. Or maybe ignore the whole thing. Beyond that it is the workings of karma. Poor archives, still being selectively eschewed by Judy. Correcting Judy: I joined FFL in May 2012 and Robin rejoined in June 2012. You are absolutely right, my mistake, and my apologies. Robin *first* joined FFL in June 2011, left in January 2012, and returned in June. You joined in May 2012, as you say. Apparently I conflated the two June dates. I should have double-checked. However, my point stands: You were not new either to FFL or to Robin at the time he made the remarks that you decided four weeks later constituted psychological rape. You had been on FFL for three-and-a-half months, and your conversations with Robin had begun in early July, two months previously.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Share, Judy and Robin, was J gets another fact wrong and S apologizes to R
Not when I was there 85-87 From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2013 11:49 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Share, Judy and Robin, was J gets another fact wrong and S apologizes to R RICHARD! I think I'm doing pretty dang good with the boundary setting but YMMV. Go figure and LOL too! Actually I think MIU did have some certificate programs for cooking and woodworking and ayurveda teching and such. PS I admit that after my posts to Doc this morning I'm worried that Robin will henceforth be known in cyberspace as he who psychologically raped a Seriously Excitable Vegetable. From: Richard J. Williams rich...@rwilliams.us To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2013 10:21 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Share, Judy and Robin, was J gets another fact wrong and S apologizes to R Share Long: Richard, is this there one of them there red herrings or Aunt Sallys or straw individuals? No, just free advice so you don't get your mind raped. LoL! And hopefully by now MJ realizes that you love to taunt him about allegedly being an MIU student. Never heard of a college student that didn't take English or History. There's no 'MJ' Share, it's just another anonymous informant, poioning the well. Nobody I know ever heard of him up there, baking or otherwise. So, we haven't heard the full story, obviously. After reading TM discussion groups for fifteen years, I can say without the least hesitation, there's always an untold story. Take the example of Lon P. Stacks or Steve Perino. Why anyone would want to be a 'baker' up at MIU and not pursue a degree in cookin is beyond me. Curtis got a degree in Philosophy up there and Kirk Bernhardt got a degree in English from MIU, so I know it can be done. So, what's the point? Alex don't need no stinkin' MUM degree because he's already living in Heaven on Earth out there. Go figure. Ok, Judy, apologies accepted, thank you. When someone says they believe they can tell you what to think, you have the right to tell them you believe you have the right to tell them where to go. LoL! Moving on, you think I was wrong when I said psychologically raped to Robin. I think I was emotionally upset, as well as overwhelmed by many other inputs. I think I was lacking in psychological development. I think I was lacking in certain communication skills. Nonetheless I think my POV is more accurate and inclusive of the whole truth than yours. And my inner Xeno is smiling wryly about that. My statements on and about Sept 6 were all genuine expressions of how I was feeling when I wrote them. Even now I assess those posts as accurately reporting that I was very upset with Robin and also giving him the benefit of the doubt because I wanted to see if there was a way to continue being friends. It is true that I was experiencing a mix and range of physical and emotional states from grumpiness to feeling psychologically raped. Mix and range of inner experiences is something humans experience. Though evidently not all humans recognize this fact. In addition, every time Xeno, Curtis, Steve, feste and others write about this, their clarity and greater objectivity has helped me understand what was often subjective and emotionally challenging for me. So I am grateful to them all for helping me find the words to understand events and individuals that I'm still trying to understand. And I continue to incorporate their understandings and wordings into my thinking and writing about it. EMILY, take note, my incorporating of the insights of others will continue to happen. Judy, it's not that I keep going lower and lower. It's that your assessment of your POV keeps going higher and higher. Indicating only that it's all relative. As for your concern about Robin's reputation, as one poster recently said here, what I said was a blip on the screen in comparison to Robin's own posts. I'd add that the postings of many of his supporters also affects his reputation negatively, as difficult as that might be for them to acknowledge. Reasonable people everywhere will consider all that is pertinent. Or maybe ignore the whole thing. Beyond that it is the workings of karma. Poor archives, still being selectively eschewed by Judy. Correcting Judy: I joined FFL in May 2012 and Robin rejoined in June 2012. You are absolutely right, my mistake, and my apologies. Robin *first* joined FFL in June 2011, left in January 2012, and returned in June. You joined in May 2012, as you say. Apparently I conflated the two June dates. I should have double-checked. However, my point stands
[FairfieldLife] Re: Share, Judy and Robin, was J gets another fact wrong and S apologizes to R
Michael Jackson: I assume you write these things to amuse yourself Well, it is a little more amusing, not much, to read about a baker 'MJ' that flunked out of a religious school up in Iowa, than to read about a Canadian who passed out leaflets signed 'RWC'. LoL! I hope so because if you are serious you are showing amazing stupidity and ignorance. So, you went up to Iowa to bake and levitate for two years, mumbling non-sense gibberish so you could fly inside a golden dome, with a bunch of other bakers, but I'm showing an amazing stupidity and ignorance? I was never a student at MIU - I was on staff. And, this would be interesting to read about by somebody like Curtis who managed to get a degree in Philosophy from MUM? There was no degree in baking at MIU nor is there one now at MUM. This is totally outrageous! They don't and didn't seem to value practical degrees, just mainly degrees in vedic this and that and consciousness that and this. Tell me about it - I wanted to get a degree in Building Custodianship at a junior college, but the closest I could come was data entry or maybe keyboarding. There should be more opportunity for bakers and janitors, in my opinion. I already gave you the names of most of the cooks in the time I was there - the fact that you don't know then is none of my concern They said they never heard of you. Go figure. Why I bother to respond to your ignorance is beyond me - I guess if when I was the baker I had fashioned buddhist stupas out of dough and worn them on my head, I might have gotten more out of my time at Marshy I want your money University. Maybe so, but if want a real good education you might try a Rudolf Steiner school - it's never to late to start learning about drawing and art. Richard, is this there one of them there red herrings or Aunt Sallys or straw individuals? No, just free advice so you don't get your mind raped. LoL! And hopefully by now MJ realizes that you love to taunt him about allegedly being an MIU student. Never heard of a college student that didn't take English or History. There's no 'MJ' Share, it's just another anonymous informant, poioning the well. Nobody I know ever heard of him up there, baking or otherwise. So, we haven't heard the full story, obviously. After reading TM discussion groups for fifteen years, I can say without the least hesitation, there's always an untold story. Take the example of Lon P. Stacks or Steve Perino. Why anyone would want to be a 'baker' up at MIU and not pursue a degree in cookin is beyond me. Curtis got a degree in Philosophy up there and Kirk Bernhardt got a degree in English from MIU, so I know it can be done. So, what's the point? Alex don't need no stinkin' MUM degree because he's already living in Heaven on Earth out there. Go figure. Ok, Judy, apologies accepted, thank you. When someone says they believe they can tell you what to think, you have the right to tell them you believe you have the right to tell them where to go. LoL! Moving on, you think I was wrong when I said psychologically raped to Robin.ÃâàI think I was emotionally upset, as well as overwhelmed by many other inputs.ÃâàI think I was lacking in psychological development.ÃâàI think I was lacking in certain communication skills. Nonetheless I think my POV is more accurate and inclusive of the whole truth than yours. And my inner Xeno is smiling wryly about that. My statements on and about Sept 6 were all genuine expressions of how I was feeling when I wrote them. Even now I assess those posts as accurately reporting that I was very upset with Robin and also giving him the benefit of the doubt because I wanted to see if there was a way to continue being friends.ÃâàIt is true that I was experiencing a mix and range of physical and emotional states from grumpiness to feeling psychologically raped. Mix and range of inner experiences is something humans experience. Though evidently not all humans recognize this fact. In addition, every time Xeno, Curtis, Steve, feste and others write about this, their clarity and greater objectivity has helped me understand what was often subjective and emotionally challenging for me. So I am grateful to them all for helping me find the words to understand events and individuals that I'm still trying to understand. And I continue to incorporate their understandings and wordings into my thinking and writing about it. EMILY, take note, my incorporating of the insights of others will continue to happen. Judy, it's not that I keep going lower and lower. It's that your assessment of your POV keeps going higher and higher.ÃâàIndicating only that it's all relative. As for your concern about Robin's
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Share, Judy and Robin, was J gets another fact wrong and S apologizes to R
This is very funny Richard. From: Richard J. Williams rich...@rwilliams.us To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2013 11:56 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Share, Judy and Robin, was J gets another fact wrong and S apologizes to R Michael Jackson: I assume you write these things to amuse yourself Well, it is a little more amusing, not much, to read about a baker 'MJ' that flunked out of a religious school up in Iowa, than to read about a Canadian who passed out leaflets signed 'RWC'. LoL! I hope so because if you are serious you are showing amazing stupidity and ignorance. So, you went up to Iowa to bake and levitate for two years, mumbling non-sense gibberish so you could fly inside a golden dome, with a bunch of other bakers, but I'm showing an amazing stupidity and ignorance? I was never a student at MIU - I was on staff. And, this would be interesting to read about by somebody like Curtis who managed to get a degree in Philosophy from MUM? There was no degree in baking at MIU nor is there one now at MUM. This is totally outrageous! They don't and didn't seem to value practical degrees, just mainly degrees in vedic this and that and consciousness that and this. Tell me about it - I wanted to get a degree in Building Custodianship at a junior college, but the closest I could come was data entry or maybe keyboarding. There should be more opportunity for bakers and janitors, in my opinion. I already gave you the names of most of the cooks in the time I was there - the fact that you don't know then is none of my concern They said they never heard of you. Go figure. Why I bother to respond to your ignorance is beyond me - I guess if when I was the baker I had fashioned buddhist stupas out of dough and worn them on my head, I might have gotten more out of my time at Marshy I want your money University. Maybe so, but if want a real good education you might try a Rudolf Steiner school - it's never to late to start learning about drawing and art. Richard, is this there one of them there red herrings or Aunt Sallys or straw individuals? No, just free advice so you don't get your mind raped. LoL! And hopefully by now MJ realizes that you love to taunt him about allegedly being an MIU student. Never heard of a college student that didn't take English or History. There's no 'MJ' Share, it's just another anonymous informant, poioning the well. Nobody I know ever heard of him up there, baking or otherwise. So, we haven't heard the full story, obviously. After reading TM discussion groups for fifteen years, I can say without the least hesitation, there's always an untold story. Take the example of Lon P. Stacks or Steve Perino. Why anyone would want to be a 'baker' up at MIU and not pursue a degree in cookin is beyond me. Curtis got a degree in Philosophy up there and Kirk Bernhardt got a degree in English from MIU, so I know it can be done. So, what's the point? Alex don't need no stinkin' MUM degree because he's already living in Heaven on Earth out there. Go figure. Ok, Judy, apologies accepted, thank you. When someone says they believe they can tell you what to think, you have the right to tell them you believe you have the right to tell them where to go. LoL! Moving on, you think I was wrong when I said psychologically raped to Robin. I think I was emotionally upset, as well as overwhelmed by many other inputs. I think I was lacking in psychological development. I think I was lacking in certain communication skills. Nonetheless I think my POV is more accurate and inclusive of the whole truth than yours. And my inner Xeno is smiling wryly about that. My statements on and about Sept 6 were all genuine expressions of how I was feeling when I wrote them. Even now I assess those posts as accurately reporting that I was very upset with Robin and also giving him the benefit of the doubt because I wanted to see if there was a way to continue being friends. It is true that I was experiencing a mix and range of physical and emotional states from grumpiness to feeling psychologically raped. Mix and range of inner experiences is something humans experience. Though evidently not all humans recognize this fact. In addition, every time Xeno, Curtis, Steve, feste and others write about this, their clarity and greater objectivity has helped me understand what was often subjective and emotionally challenging for me. So I am grateful to them all for helping me find the words to understand events and individuals that I'm still trying to understand. And I continue to incorporate their understandings and wordings into my thinking and writing about it. EMILY, take note, my
[FairfieldLife] Re: For Judy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... wrote: http://vimeo.com/4915499 Xenophaneros Anartaxius, this research could go directly in to the State of Texas public school 'history and culture' curricula. -Buck
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: to Judy
On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 6:55 AM, awoelflebater no_re...@yahoogroups.comwrote: I read this post of yours after piling on to Barry just now but I followed your advice, only before I actually read the advice. Just goes to show the synchronicity in the Universe, great minds and all that. (There always were those special guys who were able to hang with the girls in school and fit in perfectly. In fact, my husband is one of them. He likes fraternizing with the women more than men most of the time.) Thank you dear Ann - I'm indeed like your husband, I have always preferred the company of women. I was very introverted, self-absorbed when young only reverting to extroverted, playful mood around women - it was fun to playfully tease them and get teased back. My guy friends would pick on me for hanging with girls but I would tell them that boys were boring in comparison to girls.
[FairfieldLife] Re: to Judy
Can't resist... :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 6:55 AM, awoelflebater no_re...@yahoogroups.comwrote: I read this post of yours after piling on to Barry just now but I followed your advice, only before I actually read the advice. Just goes to show the synchronicity in the Universe, great minds and all that. (There always were those special guys who were able to hang with the girls in school and fit in perfectly. In fact, my husband is one of them. He likes fraternizing with the women more than men most of the time.) Thank you dear Ann - I'm indeed like your husband, I have always preferred the company of women. I was very introverted, self-absorbed when young only reverting to extroverted, playful mood around women - it was fun to playfully tease them and get teased back. My guy friends would pick on me for hanging with girls but I would tell them that boys were boring in comparison to girls. Dear Ravi, How fortunate for you that you have found such a perfect set of peers to hang with here on FFL. After all, it is not every Internet forum on which you can find a bunch of girls whose emotional maturity stopped at the same level yours did, in high school. I fully understand how guys such as yourself would feel most comfortable around women most guys would consider petty, vindictive uberbitches; that is, after all, one of the reasons the universe in its infinite wisdom evolved the concept of fag hag. If you ever feel that you've evolved enough to hang with actual adult women who have things to say other than sniping at other women, might I suggest that you converse occasionally with Susan, Sal, Ruth, or others who aren't emotionally and intellectually stuck in the halcyon days of their teens. They won't stroke you and pretend that you're actually a real guy like the fag hags do, but you might learn something new, and that would be a change for you.
[FairfieldLife] Re: to Judy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... wrote: Logic is about form, about structure, not content. To quote one of the men who demonstrated that mathematics and logic were the same, Bertrand Russell: He demonstrated that? I rather think not. In fact he played a significant role in knocking the stuffing out of that reductionist project: http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/philosophy-mathematics/#Log Or, Wiki: Russell and Alfred North Whitehead wrote their three-volume Principia Mathematica (PM) hoping to achieve what Frege had been unable to do. They sought to banish the paradoxes of naive set theory by employing a theory of types they devised for this purpose. While they succeeded in grounding arithmetic in a fashion, it is not at all evident that they did so by purely logical means. While PM avoided the known paradoxes and allows the derivation of a great deal of mathematics, its system gave rise to new problems. In any event, Kurt Gödel in 193031 proved that while the logic of much of PM, now known as first-order logic, is complete, Peano arithmetic is necessarily incomplete if it is consistent. This is very widely though not universally regarded as having shown the logicist program of Frege to be impossible to complete
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: to Judy
On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 2:11 AM, turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Dear Ravi, How fortunate for you that you have found such a perfect set of peers to hang with here on FFL. After all, it is not every Internet forum on which you can find a bunch of girls whose emotional maturity stopped at the same level yours did, in high school. I fully understand how guys such as yourself would feel most comfortable around women most guys would consider petty, vindictive uberbitches; that is, after all, one of the reasons the universe in its infinite wisdom evolved the concept of fag hag. If you ever feel that you've evolved enough to hang with actual adult women who have things to say other than sniping at other women, might I suggest that you converse occasionally with Susan, Sal, Ruth, or others who aren't emotionally and intellectually stuck in the halcyon days of their teens. They won't stroke you and pretend that you're actually a real guy like the fag hags do, but you might learn something new, and that would be a change for you. Oh Barry baby that's so sweet, I knew you had a crush on me. The haters will take your post literally but I won't, I only see your yearning finally articulating itself in this post. OMG - Barry called me dear Ravi !!! Barry doesn't address anyone as dear - OMG he loves me - Yaay !!!. I was going to trash the year 2012 as disappointing but now with your dear Ravi post, even if it's coming at the fag end of the year - I'm going to move 2012 to the remarkable column. No - Barry - I love you too baby.
[FairfieldLife] Re: to Judy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: Xeno, sorry, but you are SO far from understanding what the issues are with Share. Facile observations about general vs. specific thinking styles don't begin to cut it. Just for starters, there are (at last count) seven different people on FFL who have the same criticisms of her. For starters, your starting argument is 'argumentum ad numerum', a logical fallacy that makes the assumption that because a number of people believe a certain proposition to be true, it must be true. Nope, wrong. [Unsupported statement, not an argument] I went on to explain why it was wrong, Xeno. Are you in need of new specs, perhaps? Or are you suffering from the same IQ-destroying virus Steve is? Very sloppy reading on your part. [Characterisation, not an argument] Ditto. Notice that I didn't mention the proposition you have in mind anywhere in what I wrote, much less claim it was true, much less that it was true because a number of people believe it. [True you did not say the proposition directly (see comments below about tokenisation), nor did you claim directly a truth value. But you presented it as the first step of a rebuttal marshaling a mention of others with the same belief, which would seem to be a psychological way of bolstering your point. Nope, wrong again. As I said: You made all that up yourself on the basis of no evidence and read it in. IOW, it was you who made the unwarranted assumption. Knowing all this, can you read what I wrote just a little more carefully and figure out what my point actually was? Here's a hint: It directly addressed your assertion about different thinking styles as the reason for Share's and my disagreements. 1. You say I do not understand the issues with regard to Share. I don't care about your issues with Share. But I understand you and others have issues with Share. No need for you to understand or care about the issues with regard to Share. But if you don't understand them, it's probably wiser not to comment, don't you think? 2. You think thinking styles are not adequate to explain these issues. If seven different people have the same criticisms, then it doesn't make sense to claim the issues are entirely explained by the notion that Share and I have different thinking styles. snip 3. For starters (this is the part I addressed in mentioning 'ad numerum'), whatever the issues you and others have with Share, 7 people at last count, have according to your reckoning, have the same criticisms of Share, those issues, whatever they are. That those 7 people, no matter what the issues are, have that opinion does not make those criticisms of those issues true. Can you find and quote where I suggested to you that seven people having the same opinion makes their criticisms true? If not, Xeno, STFU and stop making shit up. Any time you'd like to discuss what I actually wrote, let me know. The rest of your post is your standard pompous, clueless, irrelevant crap. snip
[FairfieldLife] Re: to Judy to Barry PS
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: snip This mindset -- I have rebutted what you said about me, so you *owe* me a response so that I can keep the argument going -- is in my opinion the crux of what is wrong with FFL. It doesn't matter *even the tiniest bit* to Barry that the mindset he's expressing faux outrage about is nowhere to be found in the quoted post: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: As for caring what someone thinks of me, there are many posters on FFL whose opinion, including of me, I care about. This is also why I reply, especially to Judy's accusations. Note that Share has not replied to my rebuttal of her accusations against me.
[FairfieldLife] Re: to Judy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: You began misinterpreting me on Sept 9 post 319521 and have continued to do so up to the present. No, no, Share, generalizations are not acceptable. They're one of your many ways of avoiding accountability for what you say. snip There are those who see forests and those who see trees. Share seems to be a generalist, a caretaker of forests. You are far more specific, taking care of individual trees. I do not think you two will ever connect. There is something to say for each of these views, but such a divergence between them will never line up as an argument. Your thinking styles are simply not compatible. She cannot understand you, and you cannot understand her, though I suspect you feel you have Share pegged, and she feels she has you pegged. This is an opinion, not a fact. If it were a fact, it would be hopeless to continue, unless bickering is the gold standard for social congress. That's a compassionate way of seeing things, but I see them a little differently. For one thing, I think that Share and Judy (and the rest of the pile-on persecutors of her) are remarkably ALIKE, in that they all 1) have large egos that constantly require stroking, 2) have a near-constant need to attract attention, and 3) have a near-desperate compulsion to get in the last word or win arguments that don't matter to anyone else in the world *but* their large egos. The fact that Share CARES what any of these bitches think of her makes her a perfect victim for their assaults, and from her side SHE keeps restarting the arguments and thus *making* herself the victim every time it dies down, because that gets her attention. I think it's all a little tacky, and too much like a bitchy high school girl clique ( and I include both Robin and Ravi as girls :-) to watch any of it. It's all too predictable at this point, and too Drama Queens On Parade to bother with. Share could stop it at any point by just *letting* the cliquebitches have the last word and moving on to more sane topics. Then when they tried to restart it again, just ignore them again. But she doesn't, because IMO 1) she's hungry to be the focus of attention and have everything be all about her, and 2) SHE'S JUST LIKE THE WOMEN PILING ONTO HER. All I can say is that by now my Next finger is almost worn out from zipping past anything that ANY of them say, and I suspect other people's are, too. I just wish the whole lot of them would grow up.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: to Judy
On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 1:08 AM, turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: I think it's all a little tacky, and too much like a bitchy high school girl clique ( and I include both Robin and Ravi as girls :-) to watch any of it. It's all too predictable at this point, and too Drama Queens On Parade to bother with. I don't know about others Barry baby I absolutely love high school chick flicks - I would love to be one of the high school girls and bitch about other girls - they always seem to have so much fun - so this is an honor. Clueless was one of my favorite films and I fell in love with Alicia Silverstone for a while. Anyway looks like the little bitch Barry needs some attention - Judy, Ann, Emily, raunchy - please let's all pile on him and have some fun.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: to Judy to Xeno
I agree Xeno. I think Judy and I, and Robin and I also, are simply too different to ever understand each other. I said this to Robin after one of the several upsets. I've recently realized it about me and Judy too. I think it's just the way life sometimes is. BTW, you were right a while back when you said that maybe my being on FFL was a way for me to test myself. I was studying the archives last Thursday and Friday to better understand all that has happened. I felt sad when I saw how it used to be more friendly. And I get my part in ALL of it. I could see the mistakes I made along the way. But I still totally believe in and hope for making amends and forgiveness and more peace and happiness for everyone. Maybe Buck's optimism is getting to me (-: From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 1, 2012 4:48 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: to Judy --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: You began misinterpreting me on Sept 9 post 319521 and have continued to do so up to the present. No, no, Share, generalizations are not acceptable. They're one of your many ways of avoiding accountability for what you say. snip There are those who see forests and those who see trees. Share seems to be a generalist, a caretaker of forests. You are far more specific, taking care of individual trees. I do not think you two will ever connect. There is something to say for each of these views, but such a divergence between them will never line up as an argument. Your thinking styles are simply not compatible. She cannot understand you, and you cannot understand her, though I suspect you feel you have Share pegged, and she feels she has you pegged. This is an opinion, not a fact. If it were a fact, it would be hopeless to continue, unless bickering is the gold standard for social congress.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: to Judy to Barry
I replied to Judy because some of the guys were constantly taking punches for me and I hoped to end that. I reply to Emily because sometimes that can be fun. Same with Ravi. I don't reply to Ann or Raunchy any more. I reply to Robin when I see what I think is a glitch in his written expressions. If I replied to all of the women's posts, I'd post out by Saturday night (-: From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 2, 2012 3:08 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: to Judy --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: You began misinterpreting me on Sept 9 post 319521 and have continued to do so up to the present. No, no, Share, generalizations are not acceptable. They're one of your many ways of avoiding accountability for what you say. snip There are those who see forests and those who see trees. Share seems to be a generalist, a caretaker of forests. You are far more specific, taking care of individual trees. I do not think you two will ever connect. There is something to say for each of these views, but such a divergence between them will never line up as an argument. Your thinking styles are simply not compatible. She cannot understand you, and you cannot understand her, though I suspect you feel you have Share pegged, and she feels she has you pegged. This is an opinion, not a fact. If it were a fact, it would be hopeless to continue, unless bickering is the gold standard for social congress. That's a compassionate way of seeing things, but I see them a little differently. For one thing, I think that Share and Judy (and the rest of the pile-on persecutors of her) are remarkably ALIKE, in that they all 1) have large egos that constantly require stroking, 2) have a near-constant need to attract attention, and 3) have a near-desperate compulsion to get in the last word or win arguments that don't matter to anyone else in the world *but* their large egos. The fact that Share CARES what any of these bitches think of her makes her a perfect victim for their assaults, and from her side SHE keeps restarting the arguments and thus *making* herself the victim every time it dies down, because that gets her attention. I think it's all a little tacky, and too much like a bitchy high school girl clique ( and I include both Robin and Ravi as girls :-) to watch any of it. It's all too predictable at this point, and too Drama Queens On Parade to bother with. Share could stop it at any point by just *letting* the cliquebitches have the last word and moving on to more sane topics. Then when they tried to restart it again, just ignore them again. But she doesn't, because IMO 1) she's hungry to be the focus of attention and have everything be all about her, and 2) SHE'S JUST LIKE THE WOMEN PILING ONTO HER. All I can say is that by now my Next finger is almost worn out from zipping past anything that ANY of them say, and I suspect other people's are, too. I just wish the whole lot of them would grow up.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: to Judy to Barry PS
As for caring what someone thinks of me, there are many posters on FFL whose opinion, including of me, I care about. This is also why I reply, especially to Judy's accusations. From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 2, 2012 3:08 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: to Judy --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: You began misinterpreting me on Sept 9 post 319521 and have continued to do so up to the present. No, no, Share, generalizations are not acceptable. They're one of your many ways of avoiding accountability for what you say. snip There are those who see forests and those who see trees. Share seems to be a generalist, a caretaker of forests. You are far more specific, taking care of individual trees. I do not think you two will ever connect. There is something to say for each of these views, but such a divergence between them will never line up as an argument. Your thinking styles are simply not compatible. She cannot understand you, and you cannot understand her, though I suspect you feel you have Share pegged, and she feels she has you pegged. This is an opinion, not a fact. If it were a fact, it would be hopeless to continue, unless bickering is the gold standard for social congress. That's a compassionate way of seeing things, but I see them a little differently. For one thing, I think that Share and Judy (and the rest of the pile-on persecutors of her) are remarkably ALIKE, in that they all 1) have large egos that constantly require stroking, 2) have a near-constant need to attract attention, and 3) have a near-desperate compulsion to get in the last word or win arguments that don't matter to anyone else in the world *but* their large egos. The fact that Share CARES what any of these bitches think of her makes her a perfect victim for their assaults, and from her side SHE keeps restarting the arguments and thus *making* herself the victim every time it dies down, because that gets her attention. I think it's all a little tacky, and too much like a bitchy high school girl clique ( and I include both Robin and Ravi as girls :-) to watch any of it. It's all too predictable at this point, and too Drama Queens On Parade to bother with. Share could stop it at any point by just *letting* the cliquebitches have the last word and moving on to more sane topics. Then when they tried to restart it again, just ignore them again. But she doesn't, because IMO 1) she's hungry to be the focus of attention and have everything be all about her, and 2) SHE'S JUST LIKE THE WOMEN PILING ONTO HER. All I can say is that by now my Next finger is almost worn out from zipping past anything that ANY of them say, and I suspect other people's are, too. I just wish the whole lot of them would grow up.
[FairfieldLife] Re: to Judy
Raving Yogi I think maybe the film White Chicks is more like you. Thus I predict that next lifetime you'll be born, sorta like Barack Hussein Osama, as a half 'n half diva in some affluent neighborhood of Cincinnati. No better destiny for a brahma-rakshasa than that, unless you can bargain with with the yama-dhutas to become an operatic prima donna. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 1:08 AM, turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: I think it's all a little tacky, and too much like a bitchy high school girl clique ( and I include both Robin and Ravi as girls :-) to watch any of it. It's all too predictable at this point, and too Drama Queens On Parade to bother with. I don't know about others Barry baby I absolutely love high school chick flicks - I would love to be one of the high school girls and bitch about other girls - they always seem to have so much fun - so this is an honor. Clueless was one of my favorite films and I fell in love with Alicia Silverstone for a while. Anyway looks like the little bitch Barry needs some attention - Judy, Ann, Emily, raunchy - please let's all pile on him and have some fun.
[FairfieldLife] Re: to Judy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: You began misinterpreting me on Sept 9 post 319521 and have continued to do so up to the present. No, no, Share, generalizations are not acceptable. They're one of your many ways of avoiding accountability for what you say. snip There are those who see forests and those who see trees. Share seems to be a generalist, a caretaker of forests. You are far more specific, taking care of individual trees. I do not think you two will ever connect. There is something to say for each of these views, but such a divergence between them will never line up as an argument. Your thinking styles are simply not compatible. She cannot understand you, and you cannot understand her, though I suspect you feel you have Share pegged, and she feels she has you pegged. This is an opinion, not a fact. If it were a fact, it would be hopeless to continue, unless bickering is the gold standard for social congress. That's a compassionate way of seeing things, For one very brief moment when looking at message view I thought, and yes, I was amazed for a split second, I thought Barry had written, There's a compassionate way of seeing things... but then he goes on to say: but I see them a little differently. For one thing, I think that Share and Judy (and the rest of the pile-on persecutors of her) are remarkably ALIKE, in that they all 1) have large egos that constantly require stroking, 2) have a near-constant need to attract attention, and 3) have a near-desperate compulsion to get in the last word or win arguments that don't matter to anyone else in the world *but* their large egos. I just know Barry has a small notebook of catch phrases that he opens up and uses all the time. Here is such an example above beginning with the numbered points. How many times have we all seen these hackneyed, unsubstantiated, inane generalities thrown at people here? And of course they are categorized in his notebook under the chapter, Overused Phrases/Definitions For The Cunts at FFL. The fact that Share CARES what any of these bitches think of her makes her a perfect victim for their assaults, and from her side SHE keeps restarting the arguments and thus *making* herself the victim every time it dies down, because that gets her attention. Note that Barry uses the occasional upper case word to get his (unsubstantiated and couch analysis) across. Adding capitals doesn't make it more true, dear pretend Dr. I think it's all a little tacky, and too much like a bitchy high school girl clique ( and I include both Robin and Ravi as girls :-) to watch any of it. It's all too predictable at this point, and too Drama Queens On Parade to bother with. And weighing in constantly on this, what does this make you? Either a fascinated voyeur or the the fifth grade pimply-faced dork who just can't stay away from the bitchy clique? Or are you the mature poster who divvies out admonishments to Share (stay away, ignore them!) but who certainly can't follow his own advice? Mr I'm-so-bored-you-assholes-preacher man needs to take a better look at his own obsessions, methinks. Let's apply this little theory of mine to the advice Barry gives Share below. Let's imagine he is speaking to himself and not Share here (try it, this is fun). Hint, where Barry says Share insert his name and where he writes she insert he: Share could stop it at any point by just *letting* the cliquebitches have the last word and moving on to more sane topics. Then when they tried to restart it again, just ignore them again. But she doesn't, because IMO 1) she's hungry to be the focus of attention and have everything be all about her, and 2) SHE'S JUST LIKE THE WOMEN PILING ONTO HER. All I can say is that by now my Next finger is almost worn out from zipping past anything that ANY of them say, and I suspect other people's are, too. I just wish the whole lot of them would grow up. Where is that next button, I've been looking for that, my keyboard doesn't seem to have one. Ravi, any advice? You know so much about computers and you did help Emily out (I was a little jealous, by the way). Bye Barry, it was fun. Maybe we can do this again sometime, in fact, I am positive we can and will. You just can't help yourself and neither can I.
[FairfieldLife] Re: to Judy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 1:08 AM, turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: I think it's all a little tacky, and too much like a bitchy high school girl clique ( and I include both Robin and Ravi as girls :-) to watch any of it. It's all too predictable at this point, and too Drama Queens On Parade to bother with. I don't know about others Barry baby I absolutely love high school chick flicks - I would love to be one of the high school girls and bitch about other girls - they always seem to have so much fun - so this is an honor. Clueless was one of my favorite films and I fell in love with Alicia Silverstone for a while. Anyway looks like the little bitch Barry needs some attention - Judy, Ann, Emily, raunchy - please let's all pile on him and have some fun. I read this post of yours after piling on to Barry just now but I followed your advice, only before I actually read the advice. Just goes to show the synchronicity in the Universe, great minds and all that. (There always were those special guys who were able to hang with the girls in school and fit in perfectly. In fact, my husband is one of them. He likes fraternizing with the women more than men most of the time.)
[FairfieldLife] Re: to Judy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: Xeno, sorry, but you are SO far from understanding what the issues are with Share. Facile observations about general vs. specific thinking styles don't begin to cut it. Just for starters, there are (at last count) seven different people on FFL who have the same criticisms of her. For starters, your starting argument is 'argumentum ad numerum', a logical fallacy that makes the assumption that because a number of people believe a certain proposition to be true, it must be true. Now your proposition may be true, but not because of your argument here. Thinking styles of those here on FFL may be more a factor than you are currently surmising. Here is a sample from a current theory. I find it interesting because, since I started meditation, I think my style has shifted from the more analytic style to the more experiential style. While people do not fall directly into just one column or the other here, this is instructive in thinking how we process information can affect our interactions with others. I would tend to put you 'generally' in the first column, and Share, and myself in the second column. It is something to think about when experiencing differences of opinion with others. CHARACTERISTICS OF EXPERIENTIAL AND RATIONAL THINKING STYLES IN COGNITIVE-EXPERIENTIAL SELF-THEORY (CEST) (ADAPTED FROM SEYMOUR EPSTEIN 2003) (This is a two-pronged process model of perception. 'Human irrationality has consistently been a major area of focus in cognitive research. CEST argues that by gaining and understanding of our rational and experiential systems, and how they interact, we can gain insight into how these primarily adaptive systems, can in some cases lead to maladaptive behaviour.') Rational Thinking Style Experiential Thinking Style 1 Analytic Holistic 2 Intentional, effortful Automatic, effortless 3 Logical: reason oriented (what is rational or sensible) Emotional/affective: pleasure-pain oriented (what feels good) 4 Logical, cause and effect, connections Associative connections 5 Behavior mediated by conscious appraisal of events Behavior mediated by vibes from past events 6 Encodes reality in abstract symbols, words, and numbers Encodes reality in concrete images, metaphors, and narratives 7 Slower processing; oriented toward delayed action More rapid processing; oriented toward immediate action 8 Changes more rapidly and easily; changes with strength of argument and new evidence Slower and more resistant to change: change with repetitive or intense experience 9 More highly differentiated; dimensional thinking Less differentiated; broad generalization gradient; context-specific processing; categorical and stereotypical thinking 10 More highly integrated; context-general principles Less integrated; disociative, organized in part by emotional complexes; context-specific processing 11 Experienced actively and consciously; we are in control of our thoughts Experienced passively and preconsciously; we are seized by our emotions 12 Requires justification via logic and evidence Self-evidently valid; experiencing is believing 13 More process oriented More outcome oriented
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: to Judy
This is interesting Xeno. I'd absolutely place you more firmly in the first column if I had a choice, not the second. I think I'm so well-rounded that I can move between both columns depending on the situation :). Share stated clearly when she got here that she had a love of words and logic. I've always remembered this, because her posts have shown that the opposite is true, here, at least - and yes, in the second column, minus number 12. Don't want to post out too early this week, so am off to attend to the house today. From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 2, 2012 9:11 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: to Judy --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: Xeno, sorry, but you are SO far from understanding what the issues are with Share. Facile observations about general vs. specific thinking styles don't begin to cut it. Just for starters, there are (at last count) seven different people on FFL who have the same criticisms of her. For starters, your starting argument is 'argumentum ad numerum', a logical fallacy that makes the assumption that because a number of people believe a certain proposition to be true, it must be true. Now your proposition may be true, but not because of your argument here. Thinking styles of those here on FFL may be more a factor than you are currently surmising. Here is a sample from a current theory. I find it interesting because, since I started meditation, I think my style has shifted from the more analytic style to the more experiential style. While people do not fall directly into just one column or the other here, this is instructive in thinking how we process information can affect our interactions with others. I would tend to put you 'generally' in the first column, and Share, and myself in the second column. It is something to think about when experiencing differences of opinion with others. CHARACTERISTICS OF EXPERIENTIAL AND RATIONAL THINKING STYLES IN COGNITIVE-EXPERIENTIAL SELF-THEORY (CEST) (ADAPTED FROM SEYMOUR EPSTEIN 2003) (This is a two-pronged process model of perception. 'Human irrationality has consistently been a major area of focus in cognitive research. CEST argues that by gaining and understanding of our rational and experiential systems, and how they interact, we can gain insight into how these primarily adaptive systems, can in some cases lead to maladaptive behaviour.') Rational Thinking Style Experiential Thinking Style 1Analytic Holistic 2Intentional, effortful Automatic, effortless 3Logical: reason oriented (what is rational or sensible) Emotional/affective: pleasure-pain oriented (what feels good) 4Logical, cause and effect, connections Associative connections 5Behavior mediated by conscious appraisal of events Behavior mediated by vibes from past events 6Encodes reality in abstract symbols, words, and numbers Encodes reality in concrete images, metaphors, and narratives 7Slower processing; oriented toward delayed action More rapid processing; oriented toward immediate action 8Changes more rapidly and easily; changes with strength of argument and new evidence Slower and more resistant to change: change with repetitive or intense experience 9More highly differentiated; dimensional thinking Less differentiated; broad generalization gradient; context-specific processing; categorical and stereotypical thinking 10More highly integrated; context-general principles Less integrated; disociative, organized in part by emotional complexes; context-specific processing 11Experienced actively and consciously; we are in control of our thoughts Experienced passively and preconsciously; we are seized by our emotions 12Requires justification via logic and evidence Self-evidently valid; experiencing is believing 13 More process oriented More outcome oriented
[FairfieldLife] Re: to Judy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: Xeno, sorry, but you are SO far from understanding what the issues are with Share. Facile observations about general vs. specific thinking styles don't begin to cut it. Just for starters, there are (at last count) seven different people on FFL who have the same criticisms of her. For starters, your starting argument is 'argumentum ad numerum', a logical fallacy that makes the assumption that because a number of people believe a certain proposition to be true, it must be true. Nope, wrong. Very sloppy reading on your part. Notice that I didn't mention the proposition you have in mind anywhere in what I wrote, much less claim it was true, much less that it was true because a number of people believe it. You made all that up yourself on the basis of no evidence and read it in. IOW, it was you who made the unwarranted assumption. Knowing all this, can you read what I wrote just a little more carefully and figure out what my point actually was? Here's a hint: It directly addressed your assertion about different thinking styles as the reason for Share's and my disagreements.
[FairfieldLife] Re: to Judy day 2
Judy, I *almost* wrote a fragment-by-fragment response to your fragment-by-fragment counter arguments to everything I'd offered (in what I called the right spirit) in response to RD's questions. I say *almost* because I caught myself before getting hopelessly lost in the blackhole, then I cancelled the beginnings of my counters to your counters ad nauseum infinitum. The reason I did this is because the two of us can go no further in this particular discussion because you just cannot (or will not) hear what I'm saying. For someone who prides herself in her editing skills (and I'm sure you're very good at what you do), it is your *comprehension* skills that are lacking. It's like a wall of Judy truth exists, and unlike the Berlin Wall, just won't come down. Did anything I wrote make any sense whatsoever to you? There is nothing further to be gained by me in this discussion so I'm bowing out in what I hope is a graceful manner, but not before getting a few digs in. And BTW, I *do* think things through, and I *do* use my brain. You might not believe it, but I put alot of thought and time into most of my responses and they really come from a good place inside me (well, that is, until I post something stupid like When did the word 'bitch' get to be a bad thing?). --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 no_reply@ wrote: snip --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: snip Is wts Share's fantasy? I'm thinking one might refer to FFL having *similarities* to WTS (hence lowercase letters used) particularly if that person feels like she's being confronted on an internet forum very much like what happened in the WTS cult. That isn't what she means by it. See here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/325721 People are confronted all the time on Internet forums. FFL is no different than most others in that regard. snip And I'm probably right in saying that the *relentlessness* of the questions and opinions coming from *many* directions within hours, if not minutes, of each other are two similarities that might make any intelligent person feel that way. That's absurd. Timing is not significant on that small a scale. It's not the case that we are all sitting in front of our computers reading and responding on FFL 24 hours a day. People have different schedules and pop in at different times. Posts closely adjacent to one another in time are almost always a matter of coincidence. Plus which, of course, the same thing happens on many if not most other Internet forums; FFL is by no means unique in that regard. You really are not thinking things through here, laughinggull. It's simply not the case that because a significant number of FFL members have nearly identical negative opinions of her, it must be because Robin is trying to create a cult for himself on FFL. snip Did Share accuse Judy of psychological rape? At http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/327671 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/327671, she writes: Here's Judy at her wts best. Doing the psychological rape thing of attributing to me thoughts and feelings I've not had. Then presenting her ideas as The Truth. Then lacking in compassion... For the record, Share does *exactly the same things*. Notice she goes on to define what psychological rape means to her therefore if what Judy is doing falls within that definition, then to Share, Judy is doing the psychological rape thing. So let's see, if I define terrorism as calling someone a jerk, and you call me a jerk, does that mean it's reasonable for me to call you a terrorist? JESUS, laughinggull, USE YOUR BRAIN. Psychological rape is a term that, like wts, Share uses to insult people she doesn't like. The terms have no validity of their own. I like Xeno's take on this at the end of http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/327694 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/327694 when he writes: When someone talks of psychological rape, this does not necessarily mean they have a victim mentality, they might only mean they feel the attempt has been made. Share seems to be taking the stance that she is not going to put up with it, even if the attempt is made. You will probably eventually learn that Xeno's version of what people have said on FFL is often not accurate. Here is Share's first use of the term: Just for the record, this is exactly why I got so upset initially with Robin about the Russian flash mob post. Being psychologically raped didn't feel good then just as it doesn't feel good now. So not just an attempt at psychological rape. She is claiming she *was* psychologically raped. BTW, she did not get so upset initially with Robin about the Russian flash mob post.
[FairfieldLife] Re: to Judy day 2
laughinggull108: Judy, So, it's all about Judy. I *almost* wrote a fragment-by-fragment response to your fragment-by-fragment counter arguments to everything I'd offered (in what I called the right spirit) in response to RD's questions. I say *almost* because I caught myself before getting hopelessly lost in the blackhole... You're already falling way down a rabbit hole. LoL! snip
[FairfieldLife] Re: to Judy to Barry PS
this within, but you are responsible for what you say and do and how you behave now. The only solution, as I said before, is rigorous honesty. You don't need to exercise that here, but don't forget that I know what I am talking about in this regard. Stop caring about what the other posters think about you. I've given up on worrying about that myself. It's kind of freeing. I'd be mad at Judy too, if I were you Share, just fyi. My ego would be upset. But, I would still try to pay attention to what she was saying. She doesn't run away Share - she puts herself out there consistently and without regard to the attacks she might get in return. This is my final thought. I am going to let you go Share, in love and with compassion. But, I will not forget the way that you treated me in FFL-land. However, I will leave the door open for you anytime you feel like addressing me in any way you want. Keep smiling and throwing darts and launching spiked spears for as long as it's working for you, even if it's your whole life. You have another one coming, right? Emily. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: As for caring what someone thinks of me, there are many posters on FFL whose opinion, including of me, I care about. This is also why I reply, especially to Judy's accusations. From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 2, 2012 3:08 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: to Judy  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: You began misinterpreting me on Sept 9 post 319521 and have continued to do so up to the present. No, no, Share, generalizations are not acceptable. They're one of your many ways of avoiding accountability for what you say. snip There are those who see forests and those who see trees. Share seems to be a generalist, a caretaker of forests. You are far more specific, taking care of individual trees. I do not think you two will ever connect. There is something to say for each of these views, but such a divergence between them will never line up as an argument. Your thinking styles are simply not compatible. She cannot understand you, and you cannot understand her, though I suspect you feel you have Share pegged, and she feels she has you pegged. This is an opinion, not a fact. If it were a fact, it would be hopeless to continue, unless bickering is the gold standard for social congress. That's a compassionate way of seeing things, but I see them a little differently. For one thing, I think that Share and Judy (and the rest of the pile-on persecutors of her) are remarkably ALIKE, in that they all 1) have large egos that constantly require stroking, 2) have a near-constant need to attract attention, and 3) have a near-desperate compulsion to get in the last word or win arguments that don't matter to anyone else in the world *but* their large egos. The fact that Share CARES what any of these bitches think of her makes her a perfect victim for their assaults, and from her side SHE keeps restarting the arguments and thus *making* herself the victim every time it dies down, because that gets her attention. I think it's all a little tacky, and too much like a bitchy high school girl clique ( and I include both Robin and Ravi as girls :-) to watch any of it. It's all too predictable at this point, and too Drama Queens On Parade to bother with. Share could stop it at any point by just *letting* the cliquebitches have the last word and moving on to more sane topics. Then when they tried to restart it again, just ignore them again. But she doesn't, because IMO 1) she's hungry to be the focus of attention and have everything be all about her, and 2) SHE'S JUST LIKE THE WOMEN PILING ONTO HER. All I can say is that by now my Next finger is almost worn out from zipping past anything that ANY of them say, and I suspect other people's are, too. I just wish the whole lot of them would grow up.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: to Judy to Barry PS
I just have one word for this dear Emily...W..O..W To add more - how compassionate, how loving, how mature, how intelligent, a brilliant analysis of Share and many others like her in similar situations. Shame on the likes of Steve, Xeno, laughinggull, feste, Buck - hope they can learn something from here. On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 11:45 AM, emilymae.reyn emilymae.r...@yahoo.comwrote: Dear Sharester, I'm having trouble letting go. But, I promise I will after this post. *Really.* I will demonstrate the letting go action to you - it's good practice for me. Before I go for now, I will say that I hope you print out and show the last two posts re: wts that you wrote and I responded to, that you never got back to me on, to your pastoral counselor. If she tells you that yes, you are right, you have maintained your integrity through the whole conversation and these people challenging you are just bullies and mean and unfairly abusive, you will know for sure that you are paying her for nothing. First of all, you didn't even give me the time of day to respond, and I put a lot of energy and effort into those posts to you - recognizing you as a human being. Second, you might think about, in the privacy of your own prayer routine, thanking Ann, raunchy, Judy, Ravi, Robin, Ravi and I for processing all of your negative emotions over the last 6 months for you. For my part, I did this out of love and concern for you Share (yes, that irritating universal love of you as another human being.) This tactic of yours - launching passive attacks and then running away and asking those you launched spears at to do your dirty work is a good one, isn't it? Then, you feel better and can skip off to the Dome, presenting nothing to those you meet on the yellow brick road, but generosity, openness, and love. I bet you act as a source of knowledge to others', don't you. I bet you include a lot of information to them on food and supplements they should be taking. You outed yourself by mistake when you said you had had food issues all your life. Are you aware of what that means and how having issues with this most basic function in life (eating) can through time fully affect the construct of your thought process, and forever-more create a need to subconsciously protect yourself so you never have to deal with it and the self-preservation issues that come with it? I am sorry you've had to deal with this. It's a survival issue, I know. I don't have it, but in the past, I have been intimately involved with someone who has. Comes with endless denial, I'm aware. The years of dedication to healing; the living in a healing community; the collection of people and healers and philosophies support the construct of denial you have built. You never have to get truly real Share or speak for yourself - you have learned the healing language and just have to invoke experts on your behalf over and over again. You can hide forever and act like an innocent victim, whenever anyone asks to be validated for their own individual thought process that disagrees with yours - because you are right, because you have done nothing to apologize or make amends for, because there is something wrong with them and they need to experience complete healing. I am sorry that you have had to go the this kind of extreme in your life to self-preserve. It is a testament of our instinct, as humans, to survive. I am sorry that, in all cases, you twist reality to fit your own worldview and summarily dismiss and attack anyone and everything that won't conform to your way of thinking. Too threatening isn't it. You are missing out on so much Share, but it's beyond me at this point to try and convince you of this. I do believe you are fully entrenched in your vision of yourself and your own rock solid storyline - and you have built an enormous safety net of people who see only what you show them - the bliss bubble of the positive characteristics you want to be known for. It's sad to watch. You placing me in a cult, because you were too afraid to be honest and real, is predictable; as was your refusal to address it. Easier to just forever claim you were right and relentlessly impose your reality on FFL with no interest in supporting or discussing it. Another example is continuing to invoke the term wishing complete healing on people and FFL at large without ever clearly examining what that means - how dare anyone challenge you on this meaningless term. Right? Also, on ousting Judy, Ann, and raunchy from your readers' list and I'm guessing me, after this post, if you have the guts to read it. So many other examples Share of your refusing to actually interact with anyone who has tried, unless you are sure you can control the outcome. But, you keep reading Barry, although he was a bit hard on you today, don't you think? Just return to the innocent little girl stance and use a poo extension for himhe
[FairfieldLife] Re: to Judy to Barry PS
Actually, it's just a variation of the I'm very mature; you are so fucked up, argument that masquerades as compassion. It points the finger of blame at the ingrate, who is then supposed to feel grateful for the compassion shown to her. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: I just have one word for this dear Emily...W..O..W To add more - how compassionate, how loving, how mature, how intelligent, a brilliant analysis of Share and many others like her in similar situations. Shame on the likes of Steve, Xeno, laughinggull, feste, Buck - hope they can learn something from here. On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 11:45 AM, emilymae.reyn emilymae.reyn@...wrote: Dear Sharester, I'm having trouble letting go. But, I promise I will after this post. *Really.* I will demonstrate the letting go action to you - it's good practice for me. Before I go for now, I will say that I hope you print out and show the last two posts re: wts that you wrote and I responded to, that you never got back to me on, to your pastoral counselor. If she tells you that yes, you are right, you have maintained your integrity through the whole conversation and these people challenging you are just bullies and mean and unfairly abusive, you will know for sure that you are paying her for nothing. First of all, you didn't even give me the time of day to respond, and I put a lot of energy and effort into those posts to you - recognizing you as a human being. Second, you might think about, in the privacy of your own prayer routine, thanking Ann, raunchy, Judy, Ravi, Robin, Ravi and I for processing all of your negative emotions over the last 6 months for you. For my part, I did this out of love and concern for you Share (yes, that irritating universal love of you as another human being.) This tactic of yours - launching passive attacks and then running away and asking those you launched spears at to do your dirty work is a good one, isn't it? Then, you feel better and can skip off to the Dome, presenting nothing to those you meet on the yellow brick road, but generosity, openness, and love. I bet you act as a source of knowledge to others', don't you. I bet you include a lot of information to them on food and supplements they should be taking. You outed yourself by mistake when you said you had had food issues all your life. Are you aware of what that means and how having issues with this most basic function in life (eating) can through time fully affect the construct of your thought process, and forever-more create a need to subconsciously protect yourself so you never have to deal with it and the self-preservation issues that come with it? I am sorry you've had to deal with this. It's a survival issue, I know. I don't have it, but in the past, I have been intimately involved with someone who has. Comes with endless denial, I'm aware. The years of dedication to healing; the living in a healing community; the collection of people and healers and philosophies support the construct of denial you have built. You never have to get truly real Share or speak for yourself - you have learned the healing language and just have to invoke experts on your behalf over and over again. You can hide forever and act like an innocent victim, whenever anyone asks to be validated for their own individual thought process that disagrees with yours - because you are right, because you have done nothing to apologize or make amends for, because there is something wrong with them and they need to experience complete healing. I am sorry that you have had to go the this kind of extreme in your life to self-preserve. It is a testament of our instinct, as humans, to survive. I am sorry that, in all cases, you twist reality to fit your own worldview and summarily dismiss and attack anyone and everything that won't conform to your way of thinking. Too threatening isn't it. You are missing out on so much Share, but it's beyond me at this point to try and convince you of this. I do believe you are fully entrenched in your vision of yourself and your own rock solid storyline - and you have built an enormous safety net of people who see only what you show them - the bliss bubble of the positive characteristics you want to be known for. It's sad to watch. You placing me in a cult, because you were too afraid to be honest and real, is predictable; as was your refusal to address it. Easier to just forever claim you were right and relentlessly impose your reality on FFL with no interest in supporting or discussing it. Another example is continuing to invoke the term wishing complete healing on people and FFL at large without ever clearly examining what that means - how dare anyone challenge you on this meaningless term. Right? Also, on ousting Judy, Ann, and raunchy from your readers' list
[FairfieldLife] Re: to Judy to Barry PS
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: I just have one word for this dear Emily...W..O..W To add more - how compassionate, how loving, how mature, how intelligent, a brilliant analysis of Share and many others like her in similar situations. Shame on the likes of Steve, Xeno, laughinggull, feste, Buck - hope they can learn something from here. Ravi, I'm very ashamed, but not for the reasons you might suspect, and yes, I did indeed learn something from here (more was revealed than you might realize). And I'm hopeful that one day you might do the same. Emily, I know you've had a very busy day, but any response to my last question at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/327975. Thanks! On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 11:45 AM, emilymae.reyn emilymae.reyn@...wrote: snip
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: to Judy to Barry PS
On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 2:19 PM, laughinggull108 no_re...@yahoogroups.comwrote: ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: I just have one word for this dear Emily...W..O..W To add more - how compassionate, how loving, how mature, how intelligent, a brilliant analysis of Share and many others like her in similar situations. Shame on the likes of Steve, Xeno, laughinggull, feste, Buck - hope they can learn something from here. Ravi, I'm very ashamed, but not for the reasons you might suspect, and yes, I did indeed learn something from here (more was revealed than you might realize). And I'm hopeful that one day you might do the same. Oh wonderful laughinggull but please fucking spare the vague generalizations you have directed against me, probably stemming from your almost pathological need for fair-play I suppose. I have exhaustively, extravagantly explored every nook and cranny of my shadow and never have tried to project, fantasize on anything, anyone to make myself look better. My struggles and journey are all pretty much public. Emily, I know you've had a very busy day, but any response to my last question at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/327975. Thanks! On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 11:45 AM, emilymae.reyn emilymae.reyn@...wrote: snip
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: to Judy to Barry PS
There's a great primal joy, masculine instincts involved in coming to the aid of a damsel in distress - much harder to do the right thing. Nothing surprising in your reaction. Share loves it too apparently based on her reaction when I said I could take care of oxcart for her - she couldn't detect the irony in my comments. On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 1:36 PM, feste37 fest...@yahoo.com wrote: ** Actually, it's just a variation of the I'm very mature; you are so fucked up, argument that masquerades as compassion. It points the finger of blame at the ingrate, who is then supposed to feel grateful for the compassion shown to her. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: I just have one word for this dear Emily...W..O..W To add more - how compassionate, how loving, how mature, how intelligent, a brilliant analysis of Share and many others like her in similar situations. Shame on the likes of Steve, Xeno, laughinggull, feste, Buck - hope they can learn something from here. On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 11:45 AM, emilymae.reyn emilymae.reyn@...wrote: Dear Sharester, I'm having trouble letting go. But, I promise I will after this post. *Really.* I will demonstrate the letting go action to you - it's good practice for me. Before I go for now, I will say that I hope you print out and show the last two posts re: wts that you wrote and I responded to, that you never got back to me on, to your pastoral counselor. If she tells you that yes, you are right, you have maintained your integrity through the whole conversation and these people challenging you are just bullies and mean and unfairly abusive, you will know for sure that you are paying her for nothing. First of all, you didn't even give me the time of day to respond, and I put a lot of energy and effort into those posts to you - recognizing you as a human being. Second, you might think about, in the privacy of your own prayer routine, thanking Ann, raunchy, Judy, Ravi, Robin, Ravi and I for processing all of your negative emotions over the last 6 months for you. For my part, I did this out of love and concern for you Share (yes, that irritating universal love of you as another human being.) This tactic of yours - launching passive attacks and then running away and asking those you launched spears at to do your dirty work is a good one, isn't it? Then, you feel better and can skip off to the Dome, presenting nothing to those you meet on the yellow brick road, but generosity, openness, and love. I bet you act as a source of knowledge to others', don't you. I bet you include a lot of information to them on food and supplements they should be taking. You outed yourself by mistake when you said you had had food issues all your life. Are you aware of what that means and how having issues with this most basic function in life (eating) can through time fully affect the construct of your thought process, and forever-more create a need to subconsciously protect yourself so you never have to deal with it and the self-preservation issues that come with it? I am sorry you've had to deal with this. It's a survival issue, I know. I don't have it, but in the past, I have been intimately involved with someone who has. Comes with endless denial, I'm aware. The years of dedication to healing; the living in a healing community; the collection of people and healers and philosophies support the construct of denial you have built. You never have to get truly real Share or speak for yourself - you have learned the healing language and just have to invoke experts on your behalf over and over again. You can hide forever and act like an innocent victim, whenever anyone asks to be validated for their own individual thought process that disagrees with yours - because you are right, because you have done nothing to apologize or make amends for, because there is something wrong with them and they need to experience complete healing. I am sorry that you have had to go the this kind of extreme in your life to self-preserve. It is a testament of our instinct, as humans, to survive. I am sorry that, in all cases, you twist reality to fit your own worldview and summarily dismiss and attack anyone and everything that won't conform to your way of thinking. Too threatening isn't it. You are missing out on so much Share, but it's beyond me at this point to try and convince you of this. I do believe you are fully entrenched in your vision of yourself and your own rock solid storyline - and you have built an enormous safety net of people who see only what you show them - the bliss bubble of the positive characteristics you want to be known for. It's sad to watch. You placing me in a cult, because you were too
[FairfieldLife] Re: to Judy to Barry PS
You just publicly masturbate to your fantasies. So what. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 2:19 PM, laughinggull108 no_reply@yahoogroups.comwrote: ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: I just have one word for this dear Emily...W..O..W To add more - how compassionate, how loving, how mature, how intelligent, a brilliant analysis of Share and many others like her in similar situations. Shame on the likes of Steve, Xeno, laughinggull, feste, Buck - hope they can learn something from here. Ravi, I'm very ashamed, but not for the reasons you might suspect, and yes, I did indeed learn something from here (more was revealed than you might realize). And I'm hopeful that one day you might do the same. Oh wonderful laughinggull but please fucking spare the vague generalizations you have directed against me, probably stemming from your almost pathological need for fair-play I suppose. I have exhaustively, extravagantly explored every nook and cranny of my shadow and never have tried to project, fantasize on anything, anyone to make myself look better. My struggles and journey are all pretty much public. Emily, I know you've had a very busy day, but any response to my last question at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/327975. Thanks! On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 11:45 AM, emilymae.reyn emilymae.reyn@wrote: snip
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: to Judy to Barry PS
Empty baby - Idiots like you lust for the raving ravishing riveting Ravi Yogi - so what? On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 3:02 PM, emptybill emptyb...@yahoo.com wrote: ** You just publicly masturbate to your fantasies. So what. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 2:19 PM, laughinggull108 no_reply@yahoogroups.comwrote: ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: I just have one word for this dear Emily...W..O..W To add more - how compassionate, how loving, how mature, how intelligent, a brilliant analysis of Share and many others like her in similar situations. Shame on the likes of Steve, Xeno, laughinggull, feste, Buck - hope they can learn something from here. Ravi, I'm very ashamed, but not for the reasons you might suspect, and yes, I did indeed learn something from here (more was revealed than you might realize). And I'm hopeful that one day you might do the same. Oh wonderful laughinggull but please fucking spare the vague generalizations you have directed against me, probably stemming from your almost pathological need for fair-play I suppose. I have exhaustively, extravagantly explored every nook and cranny of my shadow and never have tried to project, fantasize on anything, anyone to make myself look better. My struggles and journey are all pretty much public. Emily, I know you've had a very busy day, but any response to my last question at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/327975. Thanks! On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 11:45 AM, emilymae.reyn emilymae.reyn@wrote: snip
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: to Judy to Barry PS
Wrong Feste - I have never claimed maturity as my strong point. If I had it together, I'd be making a bunch of money right now and saving quantities for retirement, I assure you. Not putting myself at future financial risk, praying for my brain and being to get it togetherI bet Share isn't doing that. She is smarter than me in terms of knowing how to take care of her material needs. I am not blaming - I am offering up my conclusions and observations and understanding after 6 months of watching her posts cross the forum and attempting to have many conversations with her. I don't care how she feels about what I wrote - I never said she was supposed to feel grateful (She has no basis on which to understand such a statement from me, of all people. I have no credibility with her at all, in fact, she has established that opinion many many times) I do have compassion for her, not pity, compassion - to the extent that I have an understanding of what that means - she can take that or leave it. My guess is...she'll take what you said and adopt it into her construct that I am after her and never hear what I am trying to say. It's too scary. Better to stay in denial, don't you think? From: feste37 fest...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 2, 2012 1:36 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: to Judy to Barry PS Actually, it's just a variation of the I'm very mature; you are so fucked up, argument that masquerades as compassion. It points the finger of blame at the ingrate, who is then supposed to feel grateful for the compassion shown to her. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: I just have one word for this dear Emily...W..O..W To add more - how compassionate, how loving, how mature, how intelligent, a brilliant analysis of Share and many others like her in similar situations. Shame on the likes of Steve, Xeno, laughinggull, feste, Buck - hope they can learn something from here. On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 11:45 AM, emilymae.reyn emilymae.reyn@...wrote: Dear Sharester, I'm having trouble letting go. But, I promise I will after this post. *Really.* I will demonstrate the letting go action to you - it's good practice for me. Before I go for now, I will say that I hope you print out and show the last two posts re: wts that you wrote and I responded to, that you never got back to me on, to your pastoral counselor. If she tells you that yes, you are right, you have maintained your integrity through the whole conversation and these people challenging you are just bullies and mean and unfairly abusive, you will know for sure that you are paying her for nothing. First of all, you didn't even give me the time of day to respond, and I put a lot of energy and effort into those posts to you - recognizing you as a human being. Second, you might think about, in the privacy of your own prayer routine, thanking Ann, raunchy, Judy, Ravi, Robin, Ravi and I for processing all of your negative emotions over the last 6 months for you. For my part, I did this out of love and concern for you Share (yes, that irritating universal love of you as another human being.) This tactic of yours - launching passive attacks and then running away and asking those you launched spears at to do your dirty work is a good one, isn't it? Then, you feel better and can skip off to the Dome, presenting nothing to those you meet on the yellow brick road, but generosity, openness, and love. I bet you act as a source of knowledge to others', don't you. I bet you include a lot of information to them on food and supplements they should be taking. You outed yourself by mistake when you said you had had food issues all your life. Are you aware of what that means and how having issues with this most basic function in life (eating) can through time fully affect the construct of your thought process, and forever-more create a need to subconsciously protect yourself so you never have to deal with it and the self-preservation issues that come with it? I am sorry you've had to deal with this. It's a survival issue, I know. I don't have it, but in the past, I have been intimately involved with someone who has. Comes with endless denial, I'm aware. The years of dedication to healing; the living in a healing community; the collection of people and healers and philosophies support the construct of denial you have built. You never have to get truly real Share or speak for yourself - you have learned the healing language and just have to invoke experts on your behalf over and over again. You can hide forever and act like an innocent victim, whenever anyone asks to be validated for their own individual thought process that disagrees with yours - because you are right, because you have done nothing to apologize or make amends for, because
[FairfieldLife] Re: to Judy to Barry PS
I'm sorry I wrote so harshly about what you had written. I think you were sincerely expressing your feelings. But I do think it's risky to draw a lot of conclusions about what a person is really like based only on their posts to this forum. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: Wrong Feste - I have never claimed maturity as my strong point. Â If I had it together, I'd be making a bunch of money right now and saving quantities for retirement, I assure you. Â Not putting myself at future financial risk, praying for my brain and being to get it togetherI bet Share isn't doing that. Â She is smarter than me in terms of knowing how to take care of her material needs. Â I am not blaming - I am offering up my conclusions and observations and understanding after 6 months of watching her posts cross the forum and attempting to have many conversations with her. Â I don't care how she feels about what I wrote - I never said she was supposed to feel grateful (She has no basis on which to understand such a statement from me, of all people. Â I have no credibility with her at all, in fact, she has established that opinion many many times) Â I do have compassion for her, not pity, compassion - to the extent that I have an understanding of what that means - she can take that or leave it. Â Â My guess is...she'll take what you said and adopt it into her construct that I am after her and never hear what I am trying to say. Â It's too scary. Â Better to stay in denial, don't you think? Â From: feste37 feste37@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 2, 2012 1:36 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: to Judy to Barry PS Â Actually, it's just a variation of the I'm very mature; you are so fucked up, argument that masquerades as compassion. It points the finger of blame at the ingrate, who is then supposed to feel grateful for the compassion shown to her. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: I just have one word for this dear Emily...W..O..W To add more - how compassionate, how loving, how mature, how intelligent, a brilliant analysis of Share and many others like her in similar situations. Shame on the likes of Steve, Xeno, laughinggull, feste, Buck - hope they can learn something from here. On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 11:45 AM, emilymae.reyn emilymae.reyn@wrote: Dear Sharester, I'm having trouble letting go. But, I promise I will after this post. *Really.* I will demonstrate the letting go action to you - it's good practice for me. Before I go for now, I will say that I hope you print out and show the last two posts re: wts that you wrote and I responded to, that you never got back to me on, to your pastoral counselor. If she tells you that yes, you are right, you have maintained your integrity through the whole conversation and these people challenging you are just bullies and mean and unfairly abusive, you will know for sure that you are paying her for nothing. First of all, you didn't even give me the time of day to respond, and I put a lot of energy and effort into those posts to you - recognizing you as a human being. Second, you might think about, in the privacy of your own prayer routine, thanking Ann, raunchy, Judy, Ravi, Robin, Ravi and I for processing all of your negative emotions over the last 6 months for you. For my part, I did this out of love and concern for you Share (yes, that irritating universal love of you as another human being.) This tactic of yours - launching passive attacks and then running away and asking those you launched spears at to do your dirty work is a good one, isn't it? Then, you feel better and can skip off to the Dome, presenting nothing to those you meet on the yellow brick road, but generosity, openness, and love. I bet you act as a source of knowledge to others', don't you. I bet you include a lot of information to them on food and supplements they should be taking. You outed yourself by mistake when you said you had had food issues all your life. Are you aware of what that means and how having issues with this most basic function in life (eating) can through time fully affect the construct of your thought process, and forever-more create a need to subconsciously protect yourself so you never have to deal with it and the self-preservation issues that come with it? I am sorry you've had to deal with this. It's a survival issue, I know. I don't have it, but in the past, I have been intimately involved with someone who has. Comes with endless denial, I'm aware. The years of dedication to healing; the living in a healing community; the collection of people and healers and philosophies support the construct of denial you have built. You never have
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: to Judy to Barry PS
snip I hear what you're saying Emily and you are correct. You know how, after you post something, you feel it's not quite right but can't quite put your finger on it? A poor attempt at humor on my part. Perhaps the same could apply to the use of the word retarded? Laughingfreely - I totally know what you are saying - I feel that way about every post I post. Now what is your question? Is this the part of the post referenced below you are referring to? Are you asking me about the word retarded? Huh? Are you calling me retarded? That's Ravi's word, not mine - he has a certain context for its use and I hadn't heard it in a long time before he used it here. I've never used it in my life. But, I have an autistic cousin, who was referred to as retarded his whole life. I didn't know he was autistic until he was an adult. He has a way better sense of direction than I do, that much I can tell you. I have a retarded sense of direction, or as I like to say I'm directionally challenged. That's all I know about the word - it's a misnomer in mostly all cases of typical historical use. You are out-thinking me FullyLaughing. I'm not as enlightened as you. Look what a sober moniker I have compared to yours, for example. From: laughinggull108 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 2, 2012 2:19 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: to Judy to Barry PS --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: I just have one word for this dear Emily...W..O..W To add more - how compassionate, how loving, how mature, how intelligent, a brilliant analysis of Share and many others like her in similar situations. Shame on the likes of Steve, Xeno, laughinggull, feste, Buck - hope they can learn something from here. Ravi, I'm very ashamed, but not for the reasons you might suspect, and yes, I did indeed learn something from here (more was revealed than you might realize). And I'm hopeful that one day you might do the same. Emily, I know you've had a very busy day, but any response to my last question at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/327975. Thanks! On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 11:45 AM, emilymae.reyn emilymae.reyn@...wrote: snip
[FairfieldLife] Re: to Judy to Barry PS
Brilliant post, Emily, and absolutely *compassionate.* It's certainly not from lack of trying that Share doesn't value the insights you've attempted to give her concerning the dynamics of how and why she's gotten herself into such a pickle with so many people on FFLife. It's sad to watch. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymae.reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: Dear Sharester, I'm having trouble letting go. But, I promise I will after this post. *Really.* I will demonstrate the letting go action to you - it's good practice for me. Before I go for now, I will say that I hope you print out and show the last two posts re: wts that you wrote and I responded to, that you never got back to me on, to your pastoral counselor. If she tells you that yes, you are right, you have maintained your integrity through the whole conversation and these people challenging you are just bullies and mean and unfairly abusive, you will know for sure that you are paying her for nothing. First of all, you didn't even give me the time of day to respond, and I put a lot of energy and effort into those posts to you - recognizing you as a human being. Second, you might think about, in the privacy of your own prayer routine, thanking Ann, raunchy, Judy, Ravi, Robin, Ravi and I for processing all of your negative emotions over the last 6 months for you. For my part, I did this out of love and concern for you Share (yes, that irritating universal love of you as another human being.) This tactic of yours - launching passive attacks and then running away and asking those you launched spears at to do your dirty work is a good one, isn't it? Then, you feel better and can skip off to the Dome, presenting nothing to those you meet on the yellow brick road, but generosity, openness, and love. I bet you act as a source of knowledge to others', don't you. I bet you include a lot of information to them on food and supplements they should be taking. You outed yourself by mistake when you said you had had food issues all your life. Are you aware of what that means and how having issues with this most basic function in life (eating) can through time fully affect the construct of your thought process, and forever-more create a need to subconsciously protect yourself so you never have to deal with it and the self-preservation issues that come with it? I am sorry you've had to deal with this. It's a survival issue, I know. I don't have it, but in the past, I have been intimately involved with someone who has. Comes with endless denial, I'm aware. The years of dedication to healing; the living in a healing community; the collection of people and healers and philosophies support the construct of denial you have built. You never have to get truly real Share or speak for yourself - you have learned the healing language and just have to invoke experts on your behalf over and over again. You can hide forever and act like an innocent victim, whenever anyone asks to be validated for their own individual thought process that disagrees with yours - because you are right, because you have done nothing to apologize or make amends for, because there is something wrong with them and they need to experience complete healing. I am sorry that you have had to go the this kind of extreme in your life to self-preserve. It is a testament of our instinct, as humans, to survive. I am sorry that, in all cases, you twist reality to fit your own worldview and summarily dismiss and attack anyone and everything that won't conform to your way of thinking. Too threatening isn't it. You are missing out on so much Share, but it's beyond me at this point to try and convince you of this. I do believe you are fully entrenched in your vision of yourself and your own rock solid storyline - and you have built an enormous safety net of people who see only what you show them - the bliss bubble of the positive characteristics you want to be known for. It's sad to watch. You placing me in a cult, because you were too afraid to be honest and real, is predictable; as was your refusal to address it. Easier to just forever claim you were right and relentlessly impose your reality on FFL with no interest in supporting or discussing it. Another example is continuing to invoke the term wishing complete healing on people and FFL at large without ever clearly examining what that means - how dare anyone challenge you on this meaningless term. Right? Also, on ousting Judy, Ann, and raunchy from your readers' list and I'm guessing me, after this post, if you have the guts to read it. So many other examples Share of your refusing to actually interact with anyone who has tried, unless you are sure you can control the outcome. But, you keep reading Barry, although he was a bit hard on you today, don't you think? Just return to the
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: to Judy to Barry PS
Agreed. I was on the line, or perhaps well over it, of acting like an armchair psychologist - she made it too easy for me. Ha - see the jibe at the end there. Make me stop; please God, make me stop. I'm about to be accused of stalking and will have to throw myself into an isolation tank. Guess I'll go read what Robin has to say about existential sincerity. Forgive, me and after all, it's the holiday season. From: feste37 fest...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 2, 2012 5:26 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: to Judy to Barry PS I'm sorry I wrote so harshly about what you had written. I think you were sincerely expressing your feelings. But I do think it's risky to draw a lot of conclusions about what a person is really like based only on their posts to this forum. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: Wrong Feste - I have never claimed maturity as my strong point. Â If I had it together, I'd be making a bunch of money right now and saving quantities for retirement, I assure you. Â Not putting myself at future financial risk, praying for my brain and being to get it togetherI bet Share isn't doing that. Â She is smarter than me in terms of knowing how to take care of her material needs. Â I am not blaming - I am offering up my conclusions and observations and understanding after 6 months of watching her posts cross the forum and attempting to have many conversations with her. Â I don't care how she feels about what I wrote - I never said she was supposed to feel grateful (She has no basis on which to understand such a statement from me, of all people. Â I have no credibility with her at all, in fact, she has established that opinion many many times) Â I do have compassion for her, not pity, compassion - to the extent that I have an understanding of what that means - she can take that or leave it. Â Â My guess is...she'll take what you said and adopt it into her construct that I am after her and never hear what I am trying to say. Â It's too scary. Â Better to stay in denial, don't you think? Â From: feste37 feste37@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 2, 2012 1:36 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: to Judy to Barry PS Â Actually, it's just a variation of the I'm very mature; you are so fucked up, argument that masquerades as compassion. It points the finger of blame at the ingrate, who is then supposed to feel grateful for the compassion shown to her. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: I just have one word for this dear Emily...W..O..W To add more - how compassionate, how loving, how mature, how intelligent, a brilliant analysis of Share and many others like her in similar situations. Shame on the likes of Steve, Xeno, laughinggull, feste, Buck - hope they can learn something from here. On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 11:45 AM, emilymae.reyn emilymae.reyn@wrote: Dear Sharester, I'm having trouble letting go. But, I promise I will after this post. *Really.* I will demonstrate the letting go action to you - it's good practice for me. Before I go for now, I will say that I hope you print out and show the last two posts re: wts that you wrote and I responded to, that you never got back to me on, to your pastoral counselor. If she tells you that yes, you are right, you have maintained your integrity through the whole conversation and these people challenging you are just bullies and mean and unfairly abusive, you will know for sure that you are paying her for nothing. First of all, you didn't even give me the time of day to respond, and I put a lot of energy and effort into those posts to you - recognizing you as a human being. Second, you might think about, in the privacy of your own prayer routine, thanking Ann, raunchy, Judy, Ravi, Robin, Ravi and I for processing all of your negative emotions over the last 6 months for you. For my part, I did this out of love and concern for you Share (yes, that irritating universal love of you as another human being.) This tactic of yours - launching passive attacks and then running away and asking those you launched spears at to do your dirty work is a good one, isn't it? Then, you feel better and can skip off to the Dome, presenting nothing to those you meet on the yellow brick road, but generosity, openness, and love. I bet you act as a source of knowledge to others', don't you. I bet you include a lot of information to them on food and supplements they should be taking. You outed yourself by mistake when you said you had had food issues all your life. Are you aware of what that means and how having issues with this most basic function in life (eating) can through time
[FairfieldLife] Re: to Judy to Xeno
This also strikes me as quite odd. To feel that I would need to indicate, by name, those people who are apparantly in agreement with a position I might have. As Xeno, said, as though this makes the case for my position? All it indicates, is that someone is so invested in a position, that they must try to indicate public support for that position. It ignores the fact that there is probably an equal or greater number of people who feel differently, but just aren't obsessed with trying to assert the rightness of their opinon. But, in this case, Judy feels that it bolsters her position and thereby allows her to claim yet another internet forum victory. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: And how about Ann, raunchy, Emily, Alex, and Ravi? That's seven people who are apparently too different from you for you and them to understand each other--about half of the regulars who have had exchanges with you or have defended you. And that half haven't had any arguments with you to begin with, so there's no way to tell whether they would be able to understand you if they did. snip Note again that it isn't just Share and me whose views diverge and whose thinking styles are simply not compatible. It's Share versus Robin and Ann and raunchy and Emily and Alex and Ravi and me. Fatuous nonsense, Xeno.
[FairfieldLife] Re: to Judy to Xeno
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 lurkernomore20002000@... wrote: This also strikes me as quite odd. To feel that I would need to indicate, by name, those people who are apparantly in agreement with a position I might have. As Xeno, said, as though this makes the case for my position? So cute that you snipped what I was responding to, Steve. I bet you actually thought I wouldn't put it back, didn't you? [Share wrote:] I agree Xeno. I think Judy and I, and Robin and I also, are simply too different to ever understand each other. I said this to Robin after one of the several upsets. I've recently realized it about me and Judy too. I think it's just the way life sometimes is. My point is really not difficult to grasp in context, so I'm afraid I have to assume that both you and Xeno are intentionally misconstruing it. All it indicates, is that someone is so invested in a position, that they must try to indicate public support for that position. It ignores the fact that there is probably an equal or greater number of people who feel differently, but just aren't obsessed with trying to assert the rightness of their opinon. But, in this case, Judy feels that it bolsters her position and thereby allows her to claim yet another internet forum victory. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: And how about Ann, raunchy, Emily, Alex, and Ravi? That's seven people who are apparently too different from you for you and them to understand each other--about half of the regulars who have had exchanges with you or have defended you. And that half haven't had any arguments with you to begin with, so there's no way to tell whether they would be able to understand you if they did. snip Note again that it isn't just Share and me whose views diverge and whose thinking styles are simply not compatible. It's Share versus Robin and Ann and raunchy and Emily and Alex and Ravi and me. Fatuous nonsense, Xeno.
[FairfieldLife] Re: to Judy to Xeno
I think Steve has dealt with the substance of Emily's analysis and his commentary here goes down much deeper into reality--and into himself--than does Emily's post. This to me makes the case for Steve: that what Emily went through to write her letter to Share entailed hardly anything that touched her compared to where Steve went in himself to write this. I feel I am eating humble pie now. You have just proven my philosophy, Steve. And I already feel the shame for Emily. Authfriend, she doesn't know what she is talking about. This post represents something so beautiful to be reading this Sunday night. Thank you, Steve. I am going to reread this on my death bed. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 lurkernomore20002000@... wrote: This also strikes me as quite odd. To feel that I would need to indicate, by name, those people who are apparantly in agreement with a position I might have. As Xeno, said, as though this makes the case for my position? All it indicates, is that someone is so invested in a position, that they must try to indicate public support for that position. It ignores the fact that there is probably an equal or greater number of people who feel differently, but just aren't obsessed with trying to assert the rightness of their opinon. But, in this case, Judy feels that it bolsters her position and thereby allows her to claim yet another internet forum victory. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: And how about Ann, raunchy, Emily, Alex, and Ravi? That's seven people who are apparently too different from you for you and them to understand each other--about half of the regulars who have had exchanges with you or have defended you. And that half haven't had any arguments with you to begin with, so there's no way to tell whether they would be able to understand you if they did. snip Note again that it isn't just Share and me whose views diverge and whose thinking styles are simply not compatible. It's Share versus Robin and Ann and raunchy and Emily and Alex and Ravi and me. Fatuous nonsense, Xeno.
[FairfieldLife] Re: to Judy to Barry PS
retain your vision of yourself at all costs, right? I am sorry you are so shame-based. Of course it isn't your fault - you didn't deserve whatever created this within, but you are responsible for what you say and do and how you behave now. The only solution, as I said before, is rigorous honesty. You don't need to exercise that here, but don't forget that I know what I am talking about in this regard. Stop caring about what the other posters think about you. I've given up on worrying about that myself. It's kind of freeing. I'd be mad at Judy too, if I were you Share, just fyi. My ego would be upset. But, I would still try to pay attention to what she was saying. She doesn't run away Share - she puts herself out there consistently and without regard to the attacks she might get in return. This is my final thought. I am going to let you go Share, in love and with compassion. But, I will not forget the way that you treated me in FFL-land. However, I will leave the door open for you anytime you feel like addressing me in any way you want. Keep smiling and throwing darts and launching spiked spears for as long as it's working for you, even if it's your whole life. You have another one coming, right? Emily. I just read this now. It is the most hard hitting and deeply-felt post I have ever read here. If someone just paid you for an hour of your time for this analysis I think you could have charged $100K. I don't know where all of this dwells inside of you Emily but it was formidable, terrifying and potentially transformative. My hat is off to you but I am not sure everyone will feel this way. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: As for caring what someone thinks of me, there are many posters on FFL whose opinion, including of me, I care about. This is also why I reply, especially to Judy's accusations. From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 2, 2012 3:08 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: to Judy  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: You began misinterpreting me on Sept 9 post 319521 and have continued to do so up to the present. No, no, Share, generalizations are not acceptable. They're one of your many ways of avoiding accountability for what you say. snip There are those who see forests and those who see trees. Share seems to be a generalist, a caretaker of forests. You are far more specific, taking care of individual trees. I do not think you two will ever connect. There is something to say for each of these views, but such a divergence between them will never line up as an argument. Your thinking styles are simply not compatible. She cannot understand you, and you cannot understand her, though I suspect you feel you have Share pegged, and she feels she has you pegged. This is an opinion, not a fact. If it were a fact, it would be hopeless to continue, unless bickering is the gold standard for social congress. That's a compassionate way of seeing things, but I see them a little differently. For one thing, I think that Share and Judy (and the rest of the pile-on persecutors of her) are remarkably ALIKE, in that they all 1) have large egos that constantly require stroking, 2) have a near-constant need to attract attention, and 3) have a near-desperate compulsion to get in the last word or win arguments that don't matter to anyone else in the world *but* their large egos. The fact that Share CARES what any of these bitches think of her makes her a perfect victim for their assaults, and from her side SHE keeps restarting the arguments and thus *making* herself the victim every time it dies down, because that gets her attention. I think it's all a little tacky, and too much like a bitchy high school girl clique ( and I include both Robin and Ravi as girls :-) to watch any of it. It's all too predictable at this point, and too Drama Queens On Parade to bother with. Share could stop it at any point by just *letting* the cliquebitches have the last word and moving on to more sane topics. Then when they tried to restart it again, just ignore them again. But she doesn't, because IMO 1) she's hungry to be the focus of attention and have everything be all about her, and 2) SHE'S JUST LIKE THE WOMEN PILING ONTO HER. All I can say is that by now my Next finger is almost worn out from zipping past anything that ANY of them say, and I suspect other people's are, too. I just wish the whole lot of them would grow up.
[FairfieldLife] Re: to Judy to Xeno
No matter. I think this is what it boils down to: You are site's largest contributor (by posting volume). Obviously you have a lot invested here. I would venture to say that for most people, what they hope to derive from participation here is some entertainment or relaxation value, and some greater insight into things. But for you, at least much of the time, it is about the win. And I suppose that is understandable, given the investment you make here on a daily and weekly basis. And the fact that no one else here is willing to go to the lenghts to which you go to achieve this end, the prize is often yours, by default. I suspect this situation is not uncommon for internet forums. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 lurkernomore20002000@ wrote: This also strikes me as quite odd. To feel that I would need to indicate, by name, those people who are apparantly in agreement with a position I might have. As Xeno, said, as though this makes the case for my position? So cute that you snipped what I was responding to, Steve. I bet you actually thought I wouldn't put it back, didn't you? [Share wrote:] I agree Xeno. I think Judy and I, and Robin and I also, are simply too different to ever understand each other. I said this to Robin after one of the several upsets. I've recently realized it about me and Judy too. I think it's just the way life sometimes is. My point is really not difficult to grasp in context, so I'm afraid I have to assume that both you and Xeno are intentionally misconstruing it. All it indicates, is that someone is so invested in a position, that they must try to indicate public support for that position. It ignores the fact that there is probably an equal or greater number of people who feel differently, but just aren't obsessed with trying to assert the rightness of their opinon. But, in this case, Judy feels that it bolsters her position and thereby allows her to claim yet another internet forum victory. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: And how about Ann, raunchy, Emily, Alex, and Ravi? That's seven people who are apparently too different from you for you and them to understand each other--about half of the regulars who have had exchanges with you or have defended you. And that half haven't had any arguments with you to begin with, so there's no way to tell whether they would be able to understand you if they did. snip Note again that it isn't just Share and me whose views diverge and whose thinking styles are simply not compatible. It's Share versus Robin and Ann and raunchy and Emily and Alex and Ravi and me. Fatuous nonsense, Xeno.
[FairfieldLife] Re: to Judy to Xeno
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@... wrote: snip Thank you, Steve. I am going to reread this on my death bed. I hope it's not anytime soon! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 lurkernomore20002000@ wrote: This also strikes me as quite odd. To feel that I would need to indicate, by name, those people who are apparantly in agreement with a position I might have. As Xeno, said, as though this makes the case for my position? All it indicates, is that someone is so invested in a position, that they must try to indicate public support for that position. It ignores the fact that there is probably an equal or greater number of people who feel differently, but just aren't obsessed with trying to assert the rightness of their opinon. But, in this case, Judy feels that it bolsters her position and thereby allows her to claim yet another internet forum victory. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: And how about Ann, raunchy, Emily, Alex, and Ravi? That's seven people who are apparently too different from you for you and them to understand each other--about half of the regulars who have had exchanges with you or have defended you. And that half haven't had any arguments with you to begin with, so there's no way to tell whether they would be able to understand you if they did. snip Note again that it isn't just Share and me whose views diverge and whose thinking styles are simply not compatible. It's Share versus Robin and Ann and raunchy and Emily and Alex and Ravi and me. Fatuous nonsense, Xeno.
[FairfieldLife] Re: to Judy to Xeno
It was a passionate, well written letter. But in the end, it's really a matter between Emily and Share, isn't it?* * yea, yea, all the usual caveats of the a public forum etc. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@... wrote: I think Steve has dealt with the substance of Emily's analysis and his commentary here goes down much deeper into reality--and into himself--than does Emily's post. This to me makes the case for Steve: that what Emily went through to write her letter to Share entailed hardly anything that touched her compared to where Steve went in himself to write this. I feel I am eating humble pie now. You have just proven my philosophy, Steve. And I already feel the shame for Emily. Authfriend, she doesn't know what she is talking about. This post represents something so beautiful to be reading this Sunday night. Thank you, Steve. I am going to reread this on my death bed. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 lurkernomore20002000@ wrote: This also strikes me as quite odd. To feel that I would need to indicate, by name, those people who are apparantly in agreement with a position I might have. As Xeno, said, as though this makes the case for my position? All it indicates, is that someone is so invested in a position, that they must try to indicate public support for that position. It ignores the fact that there is probably an equal or greater number of people who feel differently, but just aren't obsessed with trying to assert the rightness of their opinon. But, in this case, Judy feels that it bolsters her position and thereby allows her to claim yet another internet forum victory. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: And how about Ann, raunchy, Emily, Alex, and Ravi? That's seven people who are apparently too different from you for you and them to understand each other--about half of the regulars who have had exchanges with you or have defended you. And that half haven't had any arguments with you to begin with, so there's no way to tell whether they would be able to understand you if they did. snip Note again that it isn't just Share and me whose views diverge and whose thinking styles are simply not compatible. It's Share versus Robin and Ann and raunchy and Emily and Alex and Ravi and me. Fatuous nonsense, Xeno.
[FairfieldLife] Re: to Judy to Barry PS
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@... wrote: Actually, it's just a variation of the I'm very mature; you are so fucked up, argument that masquerades as compassion. It points the finger of blame at the ingrate, who is then supposed to feel grateful for the compassion shown to her. No, I don't thing so Feste. Granted, Emily's post was hard hitting but she is not trying pass it off as some compassionate love letter. Emily is frustrated with Share. Emily has spent a lot of time and energy on Share. Emily is interested in real communication and understanding between Share and herself. Emily does not appear to be some sadistic bully attempting to browbeat someone for the sake of watching someone squirm. Emily appears to have a deep experience of life, including the hard parts, so she is no fool. Emily is a woman. Emily appears willing to have her mind changed if Share would be willing, in turn, to offer up something that resembles real truthfulness or at least earnest searching. Only Emily can decide when she has had enough of getting nothing but subterfuge in return and it appears that might just be the case now. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: I just have one word for this dear Emily...W..O..W To add more - how compassionate, how loving, how mature, how intelligent, a brilliant analysis of Share and many others like her in similar situations. Shame on the likes of Steve, Xeno, laughinggull, feste, Buck - hope they can learn something from here. On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 11:45 AM, emilymae.reyn emilymae.reyn@wrote: Dear Sharester, I'm having trouble letting go. But, I promise I will after this post. *Really.* I will demonstrate the letting go action to you - it's good practice for me. Before I go for now, I will say that I hope you print out and show the last two posts re: wts that you wrote and I responded to, that you never got back to me on, to your pastoral counselor. If she tells you that yes, you are right, you have maintained your integrity through the whole conversation and these people challenging you are just bullies and mean and unfairly abusive, you will know for sure that you are paying her for nothing. First of all, you didn't even give me the time of day to respond, and I put a lot of energy and effort into those posts to you - recognizing you as a human being. Second, you might think about, in the privacy of your own prayer routine, thanking Ann, raunchy, Judy, Ravi, Robin, Ravi and I for processing all of your negative emotions over the last 6 months for you. For my part, I did this out of love and concern for you Share (yes, that irritating universal love of you as another human being.) This tactic of yours - launching passive attacks and then running away and asking those you launched spears at to do your dirty work is a good one, isn't it? Then, you feel better and can skip off to the Dome, presenting nothing to those you meet on the yellow brick road, but generosity, openness, and love. I bet you act as a source of knowledge to others', don't you. I bet you include a lot of information to them on food and supplements they should be taking. You outed yourself by mistake when you said you had had food issues all your life. Are you aware of what that means and how having issues with this most basic function in life (eating) can through time fully affect the construct of your thought process, and forever-more create a need to subconsciously protect yourself so you never have to deal with it and the self-preservation issues that come with it? I am sorry you've had to deal with this. It's a survival issue, I know. I don't have it, but in the past, I have been intimately involved with someone who has. Comes with endless denial, I'm aware. The years of dedication to healing; the living in a healing community; the collection of people and healers and philosophies support the construct of denial you have built. You never have to get truly real Share or speak for yourself - you have learned the healing language and just have to invoke experts on your behalf over and over again. You can hide forever and act like an innocent victim, whenever anyone asks to be validated for their own individual thought process that disagrees with yours - because you are right, because you have done nothing to apologize or make amends for, because there is something wrong with them and they need to experience complete healing. I am sorry that you have had to go the this kind of extreme in your life to self-preserve. It is a testament of our instinct, as humans, to survive. I am sorry that, in all cases, you twist reality to fit your own worldview and summarily dismiss and attack anyone and everything that won't conform
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: to Judy to Barry PS
Thank you Ann. You are so on the mark as always; it's painful to read. I crossed the line with Share here though, and Share, you have my sincerest apology. You may take as many pot shots or real shots at me as necessary to restore balance and I will try hard to do my penance and stay in humility. Ann is right, I am a tough girl and I can take it (although I will cry.) When I say to you Remember, you are not a victim, I'm talking to myself Share. After all.(are we tired of this yet?) Robin is feeling the shame I'm in; damn him. He's going to be harder than I thought to take down. Forgive me...Yea though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil; for thou art with me, thy rod and thy staff, they comfort me. From: awoelflebater no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 2, 2012 8:33 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: to Judy to Barry PS --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@... wrote: Actually, it's just a variation of the I'm very mature; you are so fucked up, argument that masquerades as compassion. It points the finger of blame at the ingrate, who is then supposed to feel grateful for the compassion shown to her. No, I don't thing so Feste. Granted, Emily's post was hard hitting but she is not trying pass it off as some compassionate love letter. Emily is frustrated with Share. Emily has spent a lot of time and energy on Share. Emily is interested in real communication and understanding between Share and herself. Emily does not appear to be some sadistic bully attempting to browbeat someone for the sake of watching someone squirm. Emily appears to have a deep experience of life, including the hard parts, so she is no fool. Emily is a woman. Emily appears willing to have her mind changed if Share would be willing, in turn, to offer up something that resembles real truthfulness or at least earnest searching. Only Emily can decide when she has had enough of getting nothing but subterfuge in return and it appears that might just be the case now. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: I just have one word for this dear Emily...W..O..W To add more - how compassionate, how loving, how mature, how intelligent, a brilliant analysis of Share and many others like her in similar situations. Shame on the likes of Steve, Xeno, laughinggull, feste, Buck - hope they can learn something from here. On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 11:45 AM, emilymae.reyn emilymae.reyn@wrote: Dear Sharester, I'm having trouble letting go. But, I promise I will after this post. *Really.* I will demonstrate the letting go action to you - it's good practice for me. Before I go for now, I will say that I hope you print out and show the last two posts re: wts that you wrote and I responded to, that you never got back to me on, to your pastoral counselor. If she tells you that yes, you are right, you have maintained your integrity through the whole conversation and these people challenging you are just bullies and mean and unfairly abusive, you will know for sure that you are paying her for nothing. First of all, you didn't even give me the time of day to respond, and I put a lot of energy and effort into those posts to you - recognizing you as a human being. Second, you might think about, in the privacy of your own prayer routine, thanking Ann, raunchy, Judy, Ravi, Robin, Ravi and I for processing all of your negative emotions over the last 6 months for you. For my part, I did this out of love and concern for you Share (yes, that irritating universal love of you as another human being.) This tactic of yours - launching passive attacks and then running away and asking those you launched spears at to do your dirty work is a good one, isn't it? Then, you feel better and can skip off to the Dome, presenting nothing to those you meet on the yellow brick road, but generosity, openness, and love. I bet you act as a source of knowledge to others', don't you. I bet you include a lot of information to them on food and supplements they should be taking. You outed yourself by mistake when you said you had had food issues all your life. Are you aware of what that means and how having issues with this most basic function in life (eating) can through time fully affect the construct of your thought process, and forever-more create a need to subconsciously protect yourself so you never have to deal with it and the self-preservation issues that come with it? I am sorry you've had to deal with this. It's a survival issue, I know. I don't have it, but in the past, I have been intimately involved with someone who has. Comes with endless denial, I'm aware. The years of dedication to healing; the living
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: to Judy to Xeno
Ah ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.Steve, you have put me into a state of serious laughter with this one. Ah ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. From: seventhray1 lurkernomore20002...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 2, 2012 8:22 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: to Judy to Xeno --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@... wrote: snip Thank you, Steve. I am going to reread this on my death bed. I hope it's not anytime soon! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 lurkernomore20002000@ wrote: This also strikes me as quite odd. To feel that I would need to indicate, by name, those people who are apparantly in agreement with a position I might have. As Xeno, said, as though this makes the case for my position? All it indicates, is that someone is so invested in a position, that they must try to indicate public support for that position. It ignores the fact that there is probably an equal or greater number of people who feel differently, but just aren't obsessed with trying to assert the rightness of their opinon. But, in this case, Judy feels that it bolsters her position and thereby allows her to claim yet another internet forum victory. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: And how about Ann, raunchy, Emily, Alex, and Ravi? That's seven people who are apparently too different from you for you and them to understand each other--about half of the regulars who have had exchanges with you or have defended you. And that half haven't had any arguments with you to begin with, so there's no way to tell whether they would be able to understand you if they did. snip Note again that it isn't just Share and me whose views diverge and whose thinking styles are simply not compatible. It's Share versus Robin and Ann and raunchy and Emily and Alex and Ravi and me. Fatuous nonsense, Xeno.
[FairfieldLife] Re: from Judy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: Judy sent me a private communique - ... - to ask me to let ya'll know that her Comcast is on the fritz and she will be quiet until it is restored. I stand corrected. There IS a God. :-) Now Dude, could you do something about the rest of the Insanity Groupies?
[FairfieldLife] Re: from Judy
How one event can simultaeously cause tears of pain and tears of joy (-: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: Judy sent me a private communique - to thank me for supporting her in full wts style (she has, of course, badly misinterpreted me as I am fully engaged in refuting this phenomenon and I will be the first to call her on this egregious misinterpretation on her part) - and to ask me to let ya'll know that her Comcast is on the fritz and she will be quiet until it is restored. Share, reality has answered your prayers. Judy, the non-existent wts crowd wishes your internet a speedy recovery.
[FairfieldLife] Re: from Judy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: Judy sent me a private communique - to thank me for supporting her in full wts style (she has, of course, badly misinterpreted me as I am fully engaged in refuting this phenomenon and I will be the first to call her on this egregious misinterpretation on her part) - and to ask me to let ya'll know that her Comcast is on the fritz and she will be quiet until it is restored. Share, reality has answered your prayers. Emily, if this is being ironic, then masterfully done. If not, then I think you grossly overestimate the effect that Judy has on Share. BTW, welcome back, I'm learning to enjoy what you offer and am beginning to think that I would miss you if you went away. Laughingfully...I like it. Judy, the non-existent wts crowd wishes your internet a speedy recovery.
[FairfieldLife] Re: to Judy day 2
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 lurkernomore20002000@ wrote: snip I hope you're not saying that *your* and your support group's reality is the one closest to the truth and that there's a need in you and in your support group to convince others to accept this. That would be proselytizing, wouldn't it? If *that's* the case, then perhaps you and I have nothing to discuss because we are never going to see eye to eye. I'm hoping that *isn't* the case. http://youtu.be/CI8UPHMzZm8 This is a brilliant post, raunchy. And it says everything I could ever think of saying. I think the deer crossing signs should definitely be taken down--or moved to a more suitable place--putting them at a school crossing seemed like a good idea to me. But until the deer get used to the new crossings, they need to put up signs saying, e.g., No Deer Crossing Here. Nearest Crossing at XXX Elementary School in West Bumfield. Otherwise the deer are going to be very confused.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: from Judy
Dear laughingfully, my sense of humor can be difficult to understand sometimes. So can others' - isn't that just so much fun? I have enjoyed your recent posts also, just so you know. Re this from another of your posts: To all: If you sincerely *want* me (or us) to understand what goes on between all of you, why can't you write (and I've asked this of Robin at least once) in a more succinct style that would appeal to a wider audience? I must admit that most of the time I feel that I'm not privy to one big joke that you're playing amongst yourselves, and if this isn't the case then I'd like to be shown otherwise. Robin's style is far more succinct than when he first arrived. I have determined he is a poet. Sometimes I read what he writes out loud and it's simply sublime. Sometimes I read it from the bottom up, as Ann states she did in their recent exchange. Sometimes I just key in on certain phrases or word groupings, like one would experience the validation of their own essential integrity and worthiness as a human being. Isn't that just the bomb? I understand much more of what Robin writes than I used to; it's good practice to try and understand what people are saying. Emptybill has been a real hoot of late. Conversely, I can't understand hardly a whit of what Share says - and you see how my attempts to understand what she is saying have failed completely and she simply won't speak to me in a manner that I can decipher. I must not be healed completely - now what does she think that means again? Norman Rockwell childhood - huh? Who had that? What is that? It is not up to us to change our style, it is up to you to take what you like and leave the rest. Ha ha. If you are ever confused and have a question about anything I write that you happen to read, please feel free to ask and I will explain it to you in layman's terms the best I can. Compassionately, Emilina. P.S. I am working to try and get rid of those very irritating A's that show up in my posts. From: laughinggull108 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 1, 2012 5:13 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: from Judy --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: Judy sent me a private communique - to thank me for supporting her in full wts style (she has, of course, badly misinterpreted me as I am fully engaged in refuting this phenomenon and I will be the first to call her on this egregious misinterpretation on her part) - and to ask me to let ya'll know that her Comcast is on the fritz and she will be quiet until it is restored. Share, reality has answered your prayers. Emily, if this is being ironic, then masterfully done. If not, then I think you grossly overestimate the effect that Judy has on Share. BTW, welcome back, I'm learning to enjoy what you offer and am beginning to think that I would miss you if you went away. Laughingfully...I like it. Judy, the non-existent wts crowd wishes your internet a speedy recovery.
[FairfieldLife] Re: to Judy day 2
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 lurkernomore20002000@ wrote: snip I hope you're not saying that *your* and your support group's reality is the one closest to the truth and that there's a need in you and in your support group to convince others to accept this. That would be proselytizing, wouldn't it? If *that's* the case, then perhaps you and I have nothing to discuss because we are never going to see eye to eye. I'm hoping that *isn't* the case. http://youtu.be/CI8UPHMzZm8 This is a brilliant post, raunchy. And it says everything I could ever think of saying. I think the deer crossing signs should definitely be taken down--or moved to a more suitable place--putting them at a school crossing seemed like a good idea to me. But until the deer get used to the new crossings, they need to put up signs saying, e.g., No Deer Crossing Here. Nearest Crossing at XXX Elementary School in West Bumfield. Otherwise the deer are going to be very confused. http://tinyurl.com/c7qfc4h
[FairfieldLife] Re: to Judy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: You began misinterpreting me on Sept 9 post 319521 and have continued to do so up to the present. No, no, Share, generalizations are not acceptable. They're one of your many ways of avoiding accountability for what you say. What specifically did I misinterpret? Quote directly from the posts, please, and supply documentation of my purported misinterpretations. That's what I've done with you. But what is the real problem is your asserting that your opinions, misinterpretations, No, no, Share, misinterpretations is your opinion, remember? It doesn't belong on this list POVs are the accurate ones, the truthful ones. We all do that here, including you (just look at this post I'm responding to). Now about my alleged dishonesty: Note, please, that nothing that follows has anything to do with the allegations of your dishonesty. Standard Share tactic: you pretend you're about to address something specific but never do. Your dishonesty has been *documented*, proved conclusively. It's not an opinion or an allegation, it's a fact. I have never experienced a situation such as I have had with Robin. laughinggull wrote insightfully about changing his opinions. But for me about Robin, it has been more even than that. More *what* even than *what*? Another Share tactic: writing that is so blurry and vague you can't tell what the hell she's talking about. Yet another way to avoid accountability. Since Sept 6 I've been trying to make sense of all that has happened. It has been a challenging process to understand what is going on within me and with him. No, there was zero challenge in understanding what was going on with him if you read his posts with attention. He explained where he was coming from over and over, in very clear language. You simply ignored what he said because it wasn't what you wanted to hear, and then you pretended you were all confused. Your constant and vitriolic butting in has merely made this process more challenging. At least for me. And this is dishonest *in the extreme*. You made that charge before. It was just as dishonest then, and I rebutted it in detail. Please do not say this again, Share. It's not true, and you are very well aware it isn't true. But you have little or no compassion for this. You don't even have the common sense understanding that not everyone has the time to check archives. Alleged lack of time does not excuse your telling untruths about what has gone on here, sorry. Instead you call people like me and Steve lazy. I do. I stand by it. You don't recognize that people have imperfect memories. Why do you think I recommend consulting the archives? USE YOUR BRAIN, SHARE. Here's how to handle the lack of time and imperfect memory problems with integrity: 1. If your memory of something is foggy, acknowledge that when you mention it in a post. 2. When someone demonstrates to you that you got it wrong, acknowledge your mistake (and apologize if appropriate). Add to this your lack of compassion and what emerges is your calling me a liar again and again. Your what emerges conclusion is not based on anything that came before. I have called you a liar *because you lie*. Simple as that. And do you really think that all the badgering and name calling really makes the situation better? I think it gets your attention. *Somebody* needs to get your attention and get you straightened out. Oh, right, I forgot, you don't really care about that, do you? Maybe you're just happy to have someone other than Barry to attack. You are SO full of shit. OTOH, it's damned if I do, damned if I don't. Meaning there's your opposite accusation that I think I'm all love and light or try to appear that I am. Share, those two sentences are gibberish. Did you have a point you wanted to make? Maybe I seem that way to you because I don't get hateful and vitriolic like you do. Are you kidding me? You WAY outdo me in hatfulness and vitriol. You're getting a taste of your own vitriol thrown back at you, and you don't like it. Tough. It's called projecting a golden shadow, BTW. More like a golden shower. About my alleged avoiding of confrontation: Not just alleged, Share. I have 7 posts per day Actually you have 50 posts per week like all the rest of us. and lots of interesting people on FFL to respond to. People whose opinion I do care about. I am not going to waste all my posts replying to you I don't believe anyone suggested you should do this, do you? And of course I haven't been the only one here you've avoided confrontations with, not by a very long shot. Given the number of your posts that aren't responses to anyone, you might want to consider, say, using *one* post per day to deal with a challenge (instead of, say, posting some newsletter). That would probably take care of most of the challenges (because people wouldn't have to ask you over and over
[FairfieldLife] Re: to Judy to Ravi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: snip PS concerning my allegedly being more snarky than Sal: my GUESS is that Sal did not challenge Robin. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/289193 snicker And or she didn't get quite as close to Judy's hot buttons as I have. No, you and she are neck and neck with regard to lack of integrity.
[FairfieldLife] Re: to Judy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: You began misinterpreting me on Sept 9 post 319521 and have continued to do so up to the present. No, no, Share, generalizations are not acceptable. They're one of your many ways of avoiding accountability for what you say. snip There are those who see forests and those who see trees. Share seems to be a generalist, a caretaker of forests. You are far more specific, taking care of individual trees. I do not think you two will ever connect. There is something to say for each of these views, but such a divergence between them will never line up as an argument. Your thinking styles are simply not compatible. She cannot understand you, and you cannot understand her, though I suspect you feel you have Share pegged, and she feels she has you pegged. This is an opinion, not a fact. If it were a fact, it would be hopeless to continue, unless bickering is the gold standard for social congress.
[FairfieldLife] Re: to Judy day 2
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 no_reply@... wrote: RD, where do you stand on this? Did you need to revise your questions posed to me perhaps based on an incomplete reading of all my comments as suggested by me below (BTW, no shame in that), or do the questions stand as originally asked? If I don't hear from you (and sometimes no response might be in and of itself a loud and clear answer), then I'll do my best to answer them as originally posted. I do this because, at some time in the future, I wouldn't want you or anyone suggesting that I *couldn't* answer them therefore you were right in your assumptive basis for asking them...I'm going to start calling this the MWE (muddying the waters effect) as I think that I try to keep FFL discussions in which I'm involved simple and *clear* (pun intended). snip --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 no_reply@ wrote: RD, I'm not sure if you read *all* my comments interspersed throughout...read all the way to the bottom where I recognize what I've done and why I did it: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/327690 If not, you might want to do that, then revise your list of questions below. I'm not sure if I can answer them because I'm *can't* read Share's mind. And it's not that I'm a stalwart defender of Share; you and the others (see Judy's list) have had her under the spotlight for so long that I think it's only fair that the spotlight be turned on you and the others. And it appears that this might be beginning to happen in a very logical and intelligent manner, and not from my posts alone. As my wise grandfather used to say: It looks like the chickens are coming home to roost. Open up and have a willingness to learn. It's really not so bad. snip --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: LG I'm really glad Share has such a stalwart defender as you. Since you're butting in on Share's behalf as if she were not an intelligent adult, capable of responding to my post herself, snip could you take a moment to read her mind as I have been unable to do and answer a few questions help understand her better? You can elaborate but yes or no will do. Based on Share's post below: Is wts Share's fantasy? I'm thinking one might refer to FFL having *similarities* to WTS (hence lowercase letters used) particularly if that person feels like she's being confronted on an internet forum very much like what happened in the WTS cult. I can't speak as to anyone's *limits* that would have to be reached in order to feel the way they do...everyone differs in this regard but I think we should all respect those limits as we become aware of them. And I'm probably right in saying that the *relentlessness* of the questions and opinions coming from *many* directions within hours, if not minutes, of each other are two similarities that might make any intelligent person feel that way. Then again, perhaps we completely missed any irony or humor by the person in referring to FFL as wts...afterall, Robin might be the master of irony but others can be pretty good at it as well. Did Share accuse Judy of psychological rape? At http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/327671 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/327671 , she writes: Here's Judy at her wts best. Doing the psychological rape thing of attributing to me thoughts and feelings I've not had. Then presenting her ideas as The Truth. Then lacking in compassion... Notice she goes on to define what psychological rape means to her therefore if what Judy is doing falls within that definition, then to Share, Judy is doing the psychological rape thing. I like Xeno's take on this at the end of http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/327694 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/327694 when he writes: When someone talks of psychological rape, this does not necessarily mean they have a victim mentality, they might only mean they feel the attempt has been made. Share seems to be taking the stance that she is not going to put up with it, even if the attempt is made. Did Share accuse Judy of attributing thoughts and feelings to her without explicitly saying how or what they were? Probably, but then again, Judy does that to most of her opponents in order to fluff her argument. Again, I'll defer to Xeno again at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/327694 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/327694 when he writes: She [Judy] also seems to attribute feelings and thoughts to others. I do this too, but with the caveat that I really cannot knows what anybody's thoughts are unless they speak or write them out, and maybe those are not what they are really thinking. And, my interpretation of other's emotions are probably pretty unreliable. Judy seems to imply that she is really good at this. Judy is very heavy on characterising her opposition's
[FairfieldLife] Re: to Judy day 2
Thanks for the effort, LG. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 no_reply@ wrote: RD, where do you stand on this? Did you need to revise your questions posed to me perhaps based on an incomplete reading of all my comments as suggested by me below (BTW, no shame in that), or do the questions stand as originally asked? If I don't hear from you (and sometimes no response might be in and of itself a loud and clear answer), then I'll do my best to answer them as originally posted. I do this because, at some time in the future, I wouldn't want you or anyone suggesting that I *couldn't* answer them therefore you were right in your assumptive basis for asking them...I'm going to start calling this the MWE (muddying the waters effect) as I think that I try to keep FFL discussions in which I'm involved simple and *clear* (pun intended). snip --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 no_reply@ wrote: RD, I'm not sure if you read *all* my comments interspersed throughout...read all the way to the bottom where I recognize what I've done and why I did it: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/327690 If not, you might want to do that, then revise your list of questions below. I'm not sure if I can answer them because I'm *can't* read Share's mind. And it's not that I'm a stalwart defender of Share; you and the others (see Judy's list) have had her under the spotlight for so long that I think it's only fair that the spotlight be turned on you and the others. And it appears that this might be beginning to happen in a very logical and intelligent manner, and not from my posts alone. As my wise grandfather used to say: It looks like the chickens are coming home to roost. Open up and have a willingness to learn. It's really not so bad. snip --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: LG I'm really glad Share has such a stalwart defender as you. Since you're butting in on Share's behalf as if she were not an intelligent adult, capable of responding to my post herself, snip could you take a moment to read her mind as I have been unable to do and answer a few questions help understand her better? You can elaborate but yes or no will do. Based on Share's post below: Is wts Share's fantasy? I'm thinking one might refer to FFL having *similarities* to WTS (hence lowercase letters used) particularly if that person feels like she's being confronted on an internet forum very much like what happened in the WTS cult. I can't speak as to anyone's *limits* that would have to be reached in order to feel the way they do...everyone differs in this regard but I think we should all respect those limits as we become aware of them. And I'm probably right in saying that the *relentlessness* of the questions and opinions coming from *many* directions within hours, if not minutes, of each other are two similarities that might make any intelligent person feel that way. Then again, perhaps we completely missed any irony or humor by the person in referring to FFL as wts...afterall, Robin might be the master of irony but others can be pretty good at it as well. Did Share accuse Judy of psychological rape? At http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/327671 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/327671 , she writes: Here's Judy at her wts best. Doing the psychological rape thing of attributing to me thoughts and feelings I've not had. Then presenting her ideas as The Truth. Then lacking in compassion... Notice she goes on to define what psychological rape means to her therefore if what Judy is doing falls within that definition, then to Share, Judy is doing the psychological rape thing. I like Xeno's take on this at the end of http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/327694 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/327694 when he writes: When someone talks of psychological rape, this does not necessarily mean they have a victim mentality, they might only mean they feel the attempt has been made. Share seems to be taking the stance that she is not going to put up with it, even if the attempt is made. Did Share accuse Judy of attributing thoughts and feelings to her without explicitly saying how or what they were? Probably, but then again, Judy does that to most of her opponents in order to fluff her argument. Again, I'll defer to Xeno again at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/327694 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/327694 when he writes: She [Judy] also seems to attribute feelings and thoughts to others. I do this too, but with the caveat that I really cannot knows what anybody's thoughts are unless they speak or write them out, and maybe those are not what
[FairfieldLife] Re: to Judy day 2
You're welcome RD. Now can we have a love fest of our own like authfriend and emptybill appear to be doing? Come on you guys, get a room! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@... wrote: Thanks for the effort, LG. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 no_reply@ wrote: RD, where do you stand on this? Did you need to revise your questions posed to me perhaps based on an incomplete reading of all my comments as suggested by me below (BTW, no shame in that), or do the questions stand as originally asked? If I don't hear from you (and sometimes no response might be in and of itself a loud and clear answer), then I'll do my best to answer them as originally posted. I do this because, at some time in the future, I wouldn't want you or anyone suggesting that I *couldn't* answer them therefore you were right in your assumptive basis for asking them...I'm going to start calling this the MWE (muddying the waters effect) as I think that I try to keep FFL discussions in which I'm involved simple and *clear* (pun intended). snip --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 no_reply@ wrote: RD, I'm not sure if you read *all* my comments interspersed throughout...read all the way to the bottom where I recognize what I've done and why I did it: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/327690 If not, you might want to do that, then revise your list of questions below. I'm not sure if I can answer them because I'm *can't* read Share's mind. And it's not that I'm a stalwart defender of Share; you and the others (see Judy's list) have had her under the spotlight for so long that I think it's only fair that the spotlight be turned on you and the others. And it appears that this might be beginning to happen in a very logical and intelligent manner, and not from my posts alone. As my wise grandfather used to say: It looks like the chickens are coming home to roost. Open up and have a willingness to learn. It's really not so bad. snip --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: LG I'm really glad Share has such a stalwart defender as you. Since you're butting in on Share's behalf as if she were not an intelligent adult, capable of responding to my post herself, snip could you take a moment to read her mind as I have been unable to do and answer a few questions help understand her better? You can elaborate but yes or no will do. Based on Share's post below: Is wts Share's fantasy? I'm thinking one might refer to FFL having *similarities* to WTS (hence lowercase letters used) particularly if that person feels like she's being confronted on an internet forum very much like what happened in the WTS cult. I can't speak as to anyone's *limits* that would have to be reached in order to feel the way they do...everyone differs in this regard but I think we should all respect those limits as we become aware of them. And I'm probably right in saying that the *relentlessness* of the questions and opinions coming from *many* directions within hours, if not minutes, of each other are two similarities that might make any intelligent person feel that way. Then again, perhaps we completely missed any irony or humor by the person in referring to FFL as wts...afterall, Robin might be the master of irony but others can be pretty good at it as well. Did Share accuse Judy of psychological rape? At http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/327671 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/327671 , she writes: Here's Judy at her wts best. Doing the psychological rape thing of attributing to me thoughts and feelings I've not had. Then presenting her ideas as The Truth. Then lacking in compassion... Notice she goes on to define what psychological rape means to her therefore if what Judy is doing falls within that definition, then to Share, Judy is doing the psychological rape thing. I like Xeno's take on this at the end of http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/327694 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/327694 when he writes: When someone talks of psychological rape, this does not necessarily mean they have a victim mentality, they might only mean they feel the attempt has been made. Share seems to be taking the stance that she is not going to put up with it, even if the attempt is made. Did Share accuse Judy of attributing thoughts and feelings to her without explicitly saying how or what they were? Probably, but then again, Judy does that to most of her opponents in order to fluff her argument. Again, I'll defer to Xeno again at
[FairfieldLife] Re: to Judy day 2
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 no_reply@... wrote: snip --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: snip Is wts Share's fantasy? I'm thinking one might refer to FFL having *similarities* to WTS (hence lowercase letters used) particularly if that person feels like she's being confronted on an internet forum very much like what happened in the WTS cult. That isn't what she means by it. See here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/325721 People are confronted all the time on Internet forums. FFL is no different than most others in that regard. snip And I'm probably right in saying that the *relentlessness* of the questions and opinions coming from *many* directions within hours, if not minutes, of each other are two similarities that might make any intelligent person feel that way. That's absurd. Timing is not significant on that small a scale. It's not the case that we are all sitting in front of our computers reading and responding on FFL 24 hours a day. People have different schedules and pop in at different times. Posts closely adjacent to one another in time are almost always a matter of coincidence. Plus which, of course, the same thing happens on many if not most other Internet forums; FFL is by no means unique in that regard. You really are not thinking things through here, laughinggull. It's simply not the case that because a significant number of FFL members have nearly identical negative opinions of her, it must be because Robin is trying to create a cult for himself on FFL. snip Did Share accuse Judy of psychological rape? At http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/327671 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/327671, she writes: Here's Judy at her wts best. Doing the psychological rape thing of attributing to me thoughts and feelings I've not had. Then presenting her ideas as The Truth. Then lacking in compassion... For the record, Share does *exactly the same things*. Notice she goes on to define what psychological rape means to her therefore if what Judy is doing falls within that definition, then to Share, Judy is doing the psychological rape thing. So let's see, if I define terrorism as calling someone a jerk, and you call me a jerk, does that mean it's reasonable for me to call you a terrorist? JESUS, laughinggull, USE YOUR BRAIN. Psychological rape is a term that, like wts, Share uses to insult people she doesn't like. The terms have no validity of their own. I like Xeno's take on this at the end of http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/327694 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/327694 when he writes: When someone talks of psychological rape, this does not necessarily mean they have a victim mentality, they might only mean they feel the attempt has been made. Share seems to be taking the stance that she is not going to put up with it, even if the attempt is made. You will probably eventually learn that Xeno's version of what people have said on FFL is often not accurate. Here is Share's first use of the term: Just for the record, this is exactly why I got so upset initially with Robin about the Russian flash mob post. Being psychologically raped didn't feel good then just as it doesn't feel good now. So not just an attempt at psychological rape. She is claiming she *was* psychologically raped. BTW, she did not get so upset initially with Robin about the Russian flash mob post. Initially she attributed her misunderstanding of what Robin had said to grumpiness and the fact that she had eaten some sugar the day before, and she apologized for taking it out on him. It was only several days later that she suspended communications with him over her misunderstanding. He had previously explained what he had meant and apologized to her for having been ambiguous (except that he hadn't been at all ambiguous; he was bending over backward to avoid making her feel bad about her misunderstanding). But she insisted at the time that she had never been upset or hurt by what he had said. It was a month later that she came out with the psychological rape accusation, and she has insisted since then what she had earlier denied, that she had been terribly upset initially. That's the kind of thing those of us who have been paying attention are concerned about with Share. Here are two detailed posts I wrote about all this, with links to other relevant posts: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/321880 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/325657 Did Share accuse Judy of attributing thoughts and feelings to her without explicitly saying how or what they were? Probably, but then again, Judy does that to most of her opponents in order to fluff her argument. Au contraire, Pierre. I am almost always explicit about why I attribute thoughts and feelings to others. Again, I'll defer to Xeno
[FairfieldLife] Re: to Judy day 2
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 no_reply@... wrote: snip Question 1: Why is RD butting in on a situation that involves Share and Judy? It's amazing to me that it's still necessary to point out this obvious fact to anyone: FFL is a *public forum*, not a series of private exchanges. Anything anyone posts is open for comment from everybody else. If you don't want your post commented on, take it private. That's what email is for. (The only sin where butting in is concerned is not having paid attention to the context of the discussion you're butting in on. If you haven't had time to keep up with the discussion, *don't comment on it*. Simple.) Laughinggull, you need to rewrite your post to eliminate all the references to butting in, because that isn't an issue. I'm going to snip all that. snip [raunchy wrote:] Why do you persist in portraying yourself as a victim? wts is your fantasy. You are entitled to make ridiclous assumptions based on fantasy but it doesn't help you deal with the reality of people calling you out on your behavior or make a coherent argument in you own defense. To make your case against Judy, here's a starter: Clearly state exactly what thoughts and feelings Judy attributed to you that you did not have. Start here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/327618 Raunchy meant the thoughts and feelings Judy attributed to you that you did not have in the post of mine about which Share made that accusation. There weren't any. In the post of Share's you cite above, as I've already pointed out, there isn't a single honest sentence. then follow the post trail beginning with the post Share mentions at the top. And you're going to have to put a little work into this...don't expect Share to do your homework for you. Have you lost your marbles?? BTW, if you do check out the post Share mentions, you'll find it's quite other than how she has portrayed it. Share consistently misrepresents the past posts of others when she refers to them in current posts. I'll be happy to give you more examples if you like. snip Of course, I realize that I've just butted in on a post from RD to Share but I wanted to show how a situation quickly begins to escalate from simplicity to complexity then gets completely out of hand when all sides start jumping in. Oh, I see, you were *trying* to confuse the issues. No wonder you weren't making any sense.
[FairfieldLife] Re: to Judy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: You began misinterpreting me on Sept 9 post 319521 and have continued to do so up to the present. No, no, Share, generalizations are not acceptable. They're one of your many ways of avoiding accountability for what you say. snip Xeno, sorry, but you are SO far from understanding what the issues are with Share. Facile observations about general vs. specific thinking styles don't begin to cut it. Just for starters, there are (at last count) seven different people on FFL who have the same criticisms of her. There are those who see forests and those who see trees. Share seems to be a generalist, a caretaker of forests. You are far more specific, taking care of individual trees. I do not think you two will ever connect. There is something to say for each of these views, but such a divergence between them will never line up as an argument. Your thinking styles are simply not compatible. She cannot understand you, and you cannot understand her, though I suspect you feel you have Share pegged, and she feels she has you pegged. This is an opinion, not a fact. If it were a fact, it would be hopeless to continue, unless bickering is the gold standard for social congress.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: to Judy day 2
Thank you dear Ann - considering Steve has a not-so-secret crush on me, this should please him to no end. There are four kinds of people - people I love whom I bend over backwards to be nice to them and please them, people I love who I bend over backwards to curse, yell, mock them, people I don't know and people I don't care much about. I don't mind shifting people around these categories. Why can't Steve just say - look Ravi,I love you and you are hurting me by calling stupid and I would just apologize and be nice to him and move him to category 1. On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 9:21 PM, awoelflebater no_re...@yahoogroups.comwrote: As to Ravi, he is an enigma to me. I know that many have a far longer history with him at FFL than I do. He can be abrasive, shocking, strong. But he is not malevolent, he does not alarm me like that other dark troll who I was, frankly, horrified by. Can't even remember his name. No, Raviis a passionate, sensitive albeit an opinionated man. But I don't get any 'bad vibes' or maliciousness from him. He plays, he dances, he is Ravi. I don't know his full history but he seems to live life by diving in. He appears to have had more than his dollop of pain and suffering but here he is - boisterous, caustic sometimes but bursting with life. I like that.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: from Judy
On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 11:03 AM, Emily Reyn emilymae.r...@yahoo.com wrote: P.S. I am working to try and get rid of those very irritating A's that show up in my posts. I have had issues with this as well - it only happens when I use the Gmail web client, I'm sure the same applies for you - you must be using Yahoo's web mail interface. I hate to see those characters in my post and I don't like posting from Yahoo groups web interface. In my case it seems to be the backspace characters - so what I do is type my post in Gmail, after I am done - cut and paste it to Notepad and then cut and paste back from Notepad into Gmail. It's a little too much work, but I'm picky and that seems to have taken care of all those stupid special characters since Notepad is purely an ascii, text based editor. Once again the special characters don't come up if you post directly on Yahoo groups interface or even on my iPhone.
[FairfieldLife] Re: from Judy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 11:03 AM, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: P.S. I am working to try and get rid of those very irritating A's that show up in my posts. I have had issues with this as well - it only happens when I use the Gmail web client, I'm sure the same applies for you - you must be using Yahoo's web mail interface. Yes, she is. What's strange is that the characters don't show up in her actual posts, either on the website or in my Gmail feed that I read in Thunderbird. But, the characters do show up on the website in message view, as well as in the quoted text when making a reply via the website. If I click reply to the same post of hers in Thunderbird, the characters don't show up in Thunderbird's editor. I'm pretty competent with computers, but I'm nowhere near the kind of neckbeard who would know what this is all about.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: from Judy
On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 7:24 PM, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.comwrote: ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 11:03 AM, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: P.S. I am working to try and get rid of those very irritating A's that show up in my posts. I have had issues with this as well - it only happens when I use the Gmail web client, I'm sure the same applies for you - you must be using Yahoo's web mail interface. Yes, she is. What's strange is that the characters don't show up in her actual posts, either on the website or in my Gmail feed that I read in Thunderbird. But, the characters do show up on the website in message view, as well as in the quoted text when making a reply via the website. If I click reply to the same post of hers in Thunderbird, the characters don't show up in Thunderbird's editor. I'm pretty competent with computers, but I'm nowhere near the kind of neckbeard who would know what this is all about. Right - but look at this - http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/327831, this one has those special characters and I'm not going to try my Notepad technique so I reproduce the special characters with generous use of backspace in this post. The technique I described works for me - to eliminate the special characters on the Web.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: from Judy
On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 7:30 PM, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.r...@gmail.comwrote: On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 7:24 PM, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com wrote: ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 11:03 AM, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: P.S. I am working to try and get rid of those very irritating A's that show up in my posts. I have had issues with this as well - it only happens when I use the Gmail web client, I'm sure the same applies for you - you must be using Yahoo's web mail interface. Yes, she is. What's strange is that the characters don't show up in her actual posts, either on the website or in my Gmail feed that I read in Thunderbird. But, the characters do show up on the website in message view, as well as in the quoted text when making a reply via the website. If I click reply to the same post of hers in Thunderbird, the characters don't show up in Thunderbird's editor. I'm pretty competent with computers, but I'm nowhere near the kind of neckbeard who would know what this is all about. Right - but look at this - http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/327831, this one has those special characters and I'm not going to try my Notepad technique so I reproduce the special characters with generous use of backspace in this post. The technique I described works for me - to eliminate the special characters on the Web. Hmm..no special characters in this one , either way these are non-ASCII characters which should be eliminated if you type a post in pure text based editor such as Notepad.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: from Judy
Thanks Ravi. I have a Macbook Pro. This email is sent after pasting it into the text editor. I'm starting to transition to the Yahoo groups interface. It's definitely the way to go to get timely posts, in order these days, but I prefer composing in email. From: Ravi Chivukula chivukula.r...@gmail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 1, 2012 7:03 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: from Judy On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 11:03 AM, Emily Reyn emilymae.r...@yahoo.com wrote: P.S. I am working to try and get rid of those very irritating A's that show up in my posts. I have had issues with this as well - it only happens when I use the Gmail web client, I'm sure the same applies for you - you must be using Yahoo's web mail interface. I hate to see those characters in my post and I don't like posting from Yahoo groups web interface. In my case it seems to be the backspace characters - so what I do is type my post in Gmail, after I am done - cut and paste it to Notepad and then cut and paste back from Notepad into Gmail. It's a little too much work, but I'm picky and that seems to have taken care of all those stupid special characters since Notepad is purely an ascii, text based editor. Once again the special characters don't come up if you post directly on Yahoo groups interface or even on my iPhone.
[FairfieldLife] Re: from Judy
H. Even worse. I'm definitely doing something wrong. This is a direct reply from the interface. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: Thanks Ravi.   I have a Macbook Pro.  This email is sent after pasting it into the text editor.   I'm starting to transition to the Yahoo groups interface.  It's definitely the way to go to get timely posts, in order these days, but I prefer composing in email. From: Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 1, 2012 7:03 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: from Judy  On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 11:03 AM, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: P.S.  I am working to try and get rid of those very irritating A's that show up in my posts.  I have had issues with this as well - it only happens when I use the Gmail web client, I'm sure the same applies for you - you must be using Yahoo's web mail interface. I hate to see those characters in my post and I don't like posting from Yahoo groups web interface. In my case it seems to be the backspace characters - so what I do is type my post in Gmail, after I am done - cut and paste it to Notepad and then cut and paste back from Notepad into Gmail. It's a little too much work, but I'm picky and that seems to have taken care of all those stupid special characters since Notepad is purely an ascii, text based editor. Once again the special characters don't come up if you post directly on Yahoo groups interface or even on my iPhone.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: from Judy
This is a test email typed first in the texteditor and pasted into Yahoo email. From: Emily Reyn emilymae.r...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 1, 2012 7:48 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: from Judy Thanks Ravi. I have a Macbook Pro. This email is sent after pasting it into the text editor. I'm starting to transition to the Yahoo groups interface. It's definitely the way to go to get timely posts, in order these days, but I prefer composing in email. From: Ravi Chivukula chivukula.r...@gmail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 1, 2012 7:03 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: from Judy On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 11:03 AM, Emily Reyn emilymae.r...@yahoo.com wrote: P.S. I am working to try and get rid of those very irritating A's that show up in my posts. I have had issues with this as well - it only happens when I use the Gmail web client, I'm sure the same applies for you - you must be using Yahoo's web mail interface. I hate to see those characters in my post and I don't like posting from Yahoo groups web interface. In my case it seems to be the backspace characters - so what I do is type my post in Gmail, after I am done - cut and paste it to Notepad and then cut and paste back from Notepad into Gmail. It's a little too much work, but I'm picky and that seems to have taken care of all those stupid special characters since Notepad is purely an ascii, text based editor. Once again the special characters don't come up if you post directly on Yahoo groups interface or even on my iPhone.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: from Judy
Emily - Right - looks to be a Yahoo mail issue at this point - can you try the Plain text instead of the Rich text message in your Yahoo mail - that may help. On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 7:50 PM, emilymae.reyn emilymae.r...@yahoo.comwrote: ** H. Even worse. I'm definitely doing something wrong. This is a direct reply from the interface. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: Thanks Ravi.   I have a Macbook Pro.  This email is sent after pasting it into the text editor.   I'm starting to transition to the Yahoo groups interface.  It's definitely the way to go to get timely posts, in order these days, but I prefer composing in email. From: Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 1, 2012 7:03 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: from Judy  On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 11:03 AM, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: P.S.  I am working to try and get rid of those very irritating A's that show up in my posts.  I have had issues with this as well - it only happens when I use the Gmail web client, I'm sure the same applies for you - you must be using Yahoo's web mail interface. I hate to see those characters in my post and I don't like posting from Yahoo groups web interface. In my case it seems to be the backspace characters - so what I do is type my post in Gmail, after I am done - cut and paste it to Notepad and then cut and paste back from Notepad into Gmail. It's a little too much work, but I'm picky and that seems to have taken care of all those stupid special characters since Notepad is purely an ascii, text based editor. Once again the special characters don't come up if you post directly on Yahoo groups interface or even on my iPhone.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: from Judy
Yes, I've been playing with that. Here we go. This email is sent in rich text in Serif 1 12 pt font. Thank god for classical music; it soothes the mind. I should listen to more of it. From: Ravi Chivukula chivukula.r...@gmail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 1, 2012 7:58 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: from Judy Emily - Right - looks to be a Yahoo mail issue at this point - can you try the Plain text instead of the Rich text message in your Yahoo mail - that may help. On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 7:50 PM, emilymae.reyn emilymae.r...@yahoo.com wrote: H. Even worse. I'm definitely doing something wrong. This is a direct reply from the interface. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: Thanks Ravi.   I have a Macbook Pro.  This email is sent after pasting it into the text editor.   I'm starting to transition to the Yahoo groups interface.  It's definitely the way to go to get timely posts, in order these days, but I prefer composing in email. From: Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 1, 2012 7:03 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: from Judy  On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 11:03 AM, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: P.S.  I am working to try and get rid of those very irritating A's that show up in my posts.  I have had issues with this as well - it only happens when I use the Gmail web client, I'm sure the same applies for you - you must be using Yahoo's web mail interface. I hate to see those characters in my post and I don't like posting from Yahoo groups web interface. In my case it seems to be the backspace characters - so what I do is type my post in Gmail, after I am done - cut and paste it to Notepad and then cut and paste back from Notepad into Gmail. It's a little too much work, but I'm picky and that seems to have taken care of all those stupid special characters since Notepad is purely an ascii, text based editor. Once again the special characters don't come up if you post directly on Yahoo groups interface or even on my iPhone.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: from Judy
This test email is sent in plain text. Edg, I think any time spent on the slopes is time well spent, even on a tricycle. Arms-free is also a good time; you might demo some skis or a snowboard (not my thing, but)...it's all about the balance, which I'm guessing you have. From: Emily Reyn emilymae.r...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 1, 2012 8:21 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: from Judy Yes, I've been playing with that. Here we go. This email is sent in rich text in Serif 1 12 pt font. Thank god for classical music; it soothes the mind. I should listen to more of it. From: Ravi Chivukula chivukula.r...@gmail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 1, 2012 7:58 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: from Judy Emily - Right - looks to be a Yahoo mail issue at this point - can you try the Plain text instead of the Rich text message in your Yahoo mail - that may help. On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 7:50 PM, emilymae.reyn emilymae.r...@yahoo.com wrote: H. Even worse. I'm definitely doing something wrong. This is a direct reply from the interface. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: Thanks Ravi.   I have a Macbook Pro.  This email is sent after pasting it into the text editor.   I'm starting to transition to the Yahoo groups interface.  It's definitely the way to go to get timely posts, in order these days, but I prefer composing in email. From: Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 1, 2012 7:03 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: from Judy  On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 11:03 AM, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: P.S.  I am working to try and get rid of those very irritating A's that show up in my posts.  I have had issues with this as well - it only happens when I use the Gmail web client, I'm sure the same applies for you - you must be using Yahoo's web mail interface. I hate to see those characters in my post and I don't like posting from Yahoo groups web interface. In my case it seems to be the backspace characters - so what I do is type my post in Gmail, after I am done - cut and paste it to Notepad and then cut and paste back from Notepad into Gmail. It's a little too much work, but I'm picky and that seems to have taken care of all those stupid special characters since Notepad is purely an ascii, text based editor. Once again the special characters don't come up if you post directly on Yahoo groups interface or even on my iPhone.
[FairfieldLife] Re: from Judy
How irritating. This is the final post for tonight wasted on figuring this out, from the interface. Thank you Ravi for taking a few moments on this with me. Will pick this up again later. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: This test email is sent in plain text.  Edg, I think any time spent on the slopes is time well spent, even on a tricycle.  Arms-free is also a good time; you might demo some skis or a snowboard (not my thing, but)...it's all about the balance, which I'm guessing you have.  From: Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 1, 2012 8:21 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: from Judy  Yes, I've been playing with that.  Here we go.  This email is sent in rich text in Serif 1 12 pt font.  Thank god for classical music; it soothes the mind.  I should listen to more of it.  From: Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 1, 2012 7:58 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: from Judy  Emily - Right - looks to be a Yahoo mail issue at this point - can you try the Plain text instead of the Rich text message in your Yahoo mail - that may help. On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 7:50 PM, emilymae.reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote:  H. Even worse. I'm definitely doing something wrong. This is a direct reply from the interface. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: Thanks Ravi. ààI have a Macbook Pro. àThis email is sent after pasting it into the text editor. ààI'm starting to transition to the Yahoo groups interface. àIt's definitely the way to go to get timely posts, in order these days, but I prefer composing in email.àFrom: Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 1, 2012 7:03 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: from Judy àOn Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 11:03 AM, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: P.S. àI am working to try and get rid of those very irritating A's that show up in my posts. àI have had issues with this as well - it only happens when I use the Gmail web client, I'm sure the same applies for you - you must be using Yahoo's web mail interface. I hate to see those characters in my post and I don't like posting from Yahoo groups web interface. In my case it seems to be the backspace characters - so what I do is type my post in Gmail, after I am done - cut and paste it to Notepad and then cut and paste back from Notepad into Gmail. It's a little too much work, but I'm picky and that seems to have taken care of all those stupid special characters since Notepad is purely an ascii, text based editor. Once again the special characters don't come up if you post directly on Yahoo groups interface or even on my iPhone.
