Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: global warming = fewer hurricanes

2005-09-28 Thread MDixon6569






In a message dated 9/26/05 6:00:53 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
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Er,hadn't the treaty already been signed?

I don't think so, at least the senate had overwhelmingly 
refused to ratify it.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: global warming = fewer hurricanes

2005-09-28 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
 In a message dated 9/26/05 6:00:53 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
 Er,hadn't the treaty already been signed?
 
 
 
 I don't think so, at least the senate had overwhelmingly  refused to 
ratify 
 it.

Traditionally, the Pres can sign a treaty, but Congress can overturn it 
if they like.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: global warming = fewer hurricanes

2005-09-26 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, uns_tressor 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk 
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 wrote:
  Sunday, Sept. 25, 2005 1:03 p.m. EDT
  Hurricane Center: Global Warming Equals Fewer Storms
  www.newsmax.com
   
  Environmentalists who claim global warming has caused an 
increase in 
  U.S. hurricane activity obviously haven't checked with the 
National 
  Hurricane Center, which has kept statistics on major storms over 
the 
  last 150 years.
  
  That's probably because those statistics yield one inescapable 
  conclusion: If global warming has had any impact at all on 
hurricane 
  activity, it's lessened - not increased - the frequency of major 
  hurricanes.
  
  From 1901 till 1950 - when the U.S. economy was a fraction of 
its 
  current size and fossil fuel consumption was next to nil - there 
  were 34 hurricanes rated at Catagory 3, 4 or 5 in size on the 
Saffir 
  Simpson scale.
  
  In the latter half of the twentieth century - when U.S. 
  manufacturing exploded, automobile use skyrocketed and rampant 
  consumerism was the order of the day, hurricane activity 
actually 
  decreased by nearly 20 percent, declining to 28 Catagory 3-5 
  hurricanes from 1951 to 2000.
   
  That's almost as low as the last five decades of the 19th 
century - 
  when the overwhelming majority of Americans lived on farms, 
manual 
  power was generated by watermills and cars had yet to be 
invented. 
  From 1851 to 1900 there were 27 major hurricanes in the U.S. 
  The stunning numbers didn't faze ABC This Week host George 
  Stephanopoulos, who attempted to counter panelist George Will 
when 
  Will raised the Hurricane Center's findings during Sunday's 
  broadcast.
  
  We're only half way through this decade, barely, and we've 
already 
  got six very intense hurricanes, Stephanopoulos argued, as if 
to 
  suggest that global warming's impact began in 2001.
 
 We had a US hurricane expert on UK telly on Saturday
 proposing this argument. He was asked if hurricanes
 gained strength according to the sea temperature under
 them. He said Yes. He was asked if global warming 
 has increased that sea temperature. He said Yes.
 He was then asked if this did not prove that global
 warming was responsible for Rita gaining strength
 in  the way that it did. He fell silent.
 Uns.


...and there was that recent study in Switzerland that says that 
global warming is causing the polar ice caps to melt...on Mars!

It is the sun that goes through periods of emitting greater heat 
that may very well be responsible for global warming, NOT anything 
we are doing here on Earth such as burning fossil fuels.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: global warming = fewer hurricanes

2005-09-26 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
 In a message dated 9/25/05 7:58:58 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
 We're  only half way through this decade, barely, and we've already 
 got six very  intense hurricanes, Stephanopoulos argued, as if to 
 suggest that global  warming's impact began in 2001.
 
 
 
 
 
 Well... of course it did! That's when W took office and  refused to 
sign the 
 Kyoto treaty!


...obvious cause and effect relationship...




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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: global warming = fewer hurricanes

2005-09-26 Thread Rick Archer
on 9/26/05 10:31 AM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 ...and there was that recent study in Switzerland that says that
 global warming is causing the polar ice caps to melt...on Mars!
 
 It is the sun that goes through periods of emitting greater heat
 that may very well be responsible for global warming, NOT anything
 we are doing here on Earth such as burning fossil fuels.

So you admit that global warming is taking place, but not that humans are
responsible for it. Do you realize how thin and delicate the atmosphere is?
And how much gunk we spew into it? How could it not have an effect?





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[FairfieldLife] Re: global warming = fewer hurricanes

2005-09-26 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 on 9/26/05 10:31 AM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  ...and there was that recent study in Switzerland that says that
  global warming is causing the polar ice caps to melt...on Mars!
  
  It is the sun that goes through periods of emitting greater heat
  that may very well be responsible for global warming, NOT 
anything
  we are doing here on Earth such as burning fossil fuels.
 
 So you admit that global warming is taking place, but not that 
humans are
 responsible for it. Do you realize how thin and delicate the 
atmosphere is?
 And how much gunk we spew into it? How could it not have an effect?


Of COURSE it has an effect, Rick, my fingers typing out this 
response on my keyboard is burning calories and is creating global 
warming.

But there is ZERO evidence -- ZERO! -- that the global warming 
caused by the burning of fossil fuels is causing all the devastation 
and problems that many environmentalists claim it is.

There are, simply, too many hurdles to overcome to come to that 
conclusion:

1) Is global warming occuring?

2) If it is occurring, is it caused by the burning of fossil fuels?

3) If it is caused by the burning of fossil fuels, is global warming 
a good or bad thing?

4) If global warming is a bad thing, what are the costs/benefits of 
reversing it and what are the opportunity costs of reversing it?




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[FairfieldLife] Re: global warming = fewer hurricanes

2005-09-26 Thread cardemaister
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, uns_tressor 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  wrote:
   Sunday, Sept. 25, 2005 1:03 p.m. EDT
   Hurricane Center: Global Warming Equals Fewer Storms
   www.newsmax.com

   Environmentalists who claim global warming has caused an 
 increase in 
   U.S. hurricane activity obviously haven't checked with the 
 National 
   Hurricane Center, which has kept statistics on major storms 
over 
 the 
   last 150 years.
   
   That's probably because those statistics yield one inescapable 
   conclusion: If global warming has had any impact at all on 
 hurricane 
   activity, it's lessened - not increased - the frequency of 
major 
   hurricanes.
   
   From 1901 till 1950 - when the U.S. economy was a fraction of 
 its 
   current size and fossil fuel consumption was next to nil - 
there 
   were 34 hurricanes rated at Catagory 3, 4 or 5 in size on the 
 Saffir 
   Simpson scale.
   
   In the latter half of the twentieth century - when U.S. 
   manufacturing exploded, automobile use skyrocketed and rampant 
   consumerism was the order of the day, hurricane activity 
 actually 
   decreased by nearly 20 percent, declining to 28 Catagory 3-5 
   hurricanes from 1951 to 2000.

   That's almost as low as the last five decades of the 19th 
 century - 
   when the overwhelming majority of Americans lived on farms, 
 manual 
   power was generated by watermills and cars had yet to be 
 invented. 
   From 1851 to 1900 there were 27 major hurricanes in the U.S. 
   The stunning numbers didn't faze ABC This Week host George 
   Stephanopoulos, who attempted to counter panelist George Will 
 when 
   Will raised the Hurricane Center's findings during Sunday's 
   broadcast.
   
   We're only half way through this decade, barely, and we've 
 already 
   got six very intense hurricanes, Stephanopoulos argued, as if 
 to 
   suggest that global warming's impact began in 2001.
  
  We had a US hurricane expert on UK telly on Saturday
  proposing this argument. He was asked if hurricanes
  gained strength according to the sea temperature under
  them. He said Yes. He was asked if global warming 
  has increased that sea temperature. He said Yes.
  He was then asked if this did not prove that global
  warming was responsible for Rita gaining strength
  in  the way that it did. He fell silent.
  Uns.
 
 
 ...and there was that recent study in Switzerland that says that 
 global warming is causing the polar ice caps to melt...on Mars!
 
 It is the sun that goes through periods of emitting greater heat 
 that may very well be responsible for global warming, NOT anything 
 we are doing here on Earth such as burning fossil fuels.

Just saw this:

http://snipurl.com/gogp





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: global warming = fewer hurricanes

2005-09-26 Thread MDixon6569






In a message dated 9/26/05 10:35:38 A.M. Central Daylight Time, 
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and 
  there was that recent study in Switzerland that says that global warming 
  is causing the polar ice caps to melt...on 
Mars!

you mean the mars rover is not a fossil fuel burning 
SUV?





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[FairfieldLife] Re: global warming = fewer hurricanes

2005-09-26 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  on 9/26/05 10:31 AM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
   ...and there was that recent study in Switzerland that says that
   global warming is causing the polar ice caps to melt...on Mars!
   
   It is the sun that goes through periods of emitting greater heat
   that may very well be responsible for global warming, NOT 
 anything
   we are doing here on Earth such as burning fossil fuels.
  
  So you admit that global warming is taking place, but not that 
 humans are
  responsible for it. Do you realize how thin and delicate the 
 atmosphere is?
  And how much gunk we spew into it? How could it not have an 
effect?
 
 
 Of COURSE it has an effect, Rick, my fingers typing out this 
 response on my keyboard is burning calories and is creating global 
 warming.
 
 But there is ZERO evidence -- ZERO! -- that the global warming 
 caused by the burning of fossil fuels is causing all the
 devastation and problems that many environmentalists claim it is.

Actually there's *oogobs* of evidence.

It's very much like evolution, in fact.  

 There are, simply, too many hurdles to overcome to come to that 
 conclusion:
 
 1) Is global warming occuring?

Overwhelming consensus that it is.

 2) If it is occurring, is it caused by the burning of fossil fuels?

Somewhat less certain, but still a significant
consensus.

 3) If it is caused by the burning of fossil fuels, is global 
 warming a good or bad thing?

Again, overwhelming consensus that it's a bad thing.
 
 4) If global warming is a bad thing, what are the costs/benefits of 
 reversing it and what are the opportunity costs of reversing it?

This isn't a hurdle to your original question,
but rather to the question of what, if anything,
we should do about global warming.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: global warming = fewer hurricanes

2005-09-26 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
   on 9/26/05 10:31 AM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

...and there was that recent study in Switzerland that says 
that
global warming is causing the polar ice caps to melt...on 
Mars!

It is the sun that goes through periods of emitting greater 
heat
that may very well be responsible for global warming, NOT 
  anything
we are doing here on Earth such as burning fossil fuels.
   
   So you admit that global warming is taking place, but not that 
  humans are
   responsible for it. Do you realize how thin and delicate the 
  atmosphere is?
   And how much gunk we spew into it? How could it not have an 
 effect?
  
  
  Of COURSE it has an effect, Rick, my fingers typing out this 
  response on my keyboard is burning calories and is creating 
global 
  warming.
  
  But there is ZERO evidence -- ZERO! -- that the global warming 
  caused by the burning of fossil fuels is causing all the
  devastation and problems that many environmentalists claim it is.
 
 Actually there's *oogobs* of evidence.
 
 It's very much like evolution, in fact.  
 
  There are, simply, too many hurdles to overcome to come to that 
  conclusion:
  
  1) Is global warming occuring?
 
 Overwhelming consensus that it is.


As Michael Creighton's excellent lecture pointed out (and which we 
had extensive debate on already, Judy, on amt), consensus has 
nothing to do with science; only facts do.



 
  2) If it is occurring, is it caused by the burning of fossil 
fuels?
 
 Somewhat less certain, but still a significant
 consensus.


ditto re: consensus.


 
  3) If it is caused by the burning of fossil fuels, is global 
  warming a good or bad thing?
 
 Again, overwhelming consensus that it's a bad thing.



ditto re: consensus.


  
  4) If global warming is a bad thing, what are the costs/benefits 
of 
  reversing it and what are the opportunity costs of reversing it?
 
 This isn't a hurdle to your original question,
 but rather to the question of what, if anything,
 we should do about global warming.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: global warming = fewer hurricanes

2005-09-26 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
   There are, simply, too many hurdles to overcome to come to that 
   conclusion:
   
   1) Is global warming occuring?
  
  Overwhelming consensus that it is.
 
 As Michael Creighton's excellent lecture pointed out (and which we 
 had extensive debate on already, Judy, on amt), consensus has 
 nothing to do with science; only facts do.

False dichotomy.  In the case of global warming,
there is a consensus *because* there are facts
that support it.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: global warming = fewer hurricanes

2005-09-26 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
 In a message dated 9/25/05 7:58:58 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
 We're  only half way through this decade, barely, and we've already 
 got six very  intense hurricanes, Stephanopoulos argued, as if to 
 suggest that global  warming's impact began in 2001.
 
 
 
 
 
 Well... of course it did! That's when W took office and  refused to 
sign the 
 Kyoto treaty!

Er,hadn't the treaty already been signed?




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[FairfieldLife] Re: global warming = fewer hurricanes

2005-09-26 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
  In a message dated 9/25/05 7:58:58 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  
  We're  only half way through this decade, barely, and we've 
already 
  got six very  intense hurricanes, Stephanopoulos argued, as if 
to 
  suggest that global  warming's impact began in 2001.
  
  
  
  
  
  Well... of course it did! That's when W took office and  refused 
to 
 sign the 
  Kyoto treaty!
 
 Er,hadn't the treaty already been signed?


I believe it was signed by Clinton and then rejected by the U.S. 
Senate 99-0 (included at the time 50-odd Democrats)...




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[FairfieldLife] Re: global warming = fewer hurricanes

2005-09-26 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
on 9/26/05 10:31 AM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 ...and there was that recent study in Switzerland that says 
 that
 global warming is causing the polar ice caps to melt...on 
 Mars!
 
 It is the sun that goes through periods of emitting greater 
 heat
 that may very well be responsible for global warming, NOT 
   anything
 we are doing here on Earth such as burning fossil fuels.

So you admit that global warming is taking place, but not 
that 
   humans are
responsible for it. Do you realize how thin and delicate the 
   atmosphere is?
And how much gunk we spew into it? How could it not have an 
  effect?
   
   
   Of COURSE it has an effect, Rick, my fingers typing out this 
   response on my keyboard is burning calories and is creating 
 global 
   warming.
   
   But there is ZERO evidence -- ZERO! -- that the global warming 
   caused by the burning of fossil fuels is causing all the
   devastation and problems that many environmentalists claim it 
is.
  
  Actually there's *oogobs* of evidence.
  
  It's very much like evolution, in fact.  
  
   There are, simply, too many hurdles to overcome to come to that 
   conclusion:
   
   1) Is global warming occuring?
  
  Overwhelming consensus that it is.
 
 
 As Michael Creighton's excellent lecture pointed out (and which we 
 had extensive debate on already, Judy, on amt), consensus has 
 nothing to do with science; only facts do.
 

Michael Creighton is incorrect then. Concensus IS an important part 
of Science.


 
 
  
   2) If it is occurring, is it caused by the burning of fossil 
 fuels?
  
  Somewhat less certain, but still a significant
  consensus.
 
 
 ditto re: consensus.
 
 
  
   3) If it is caused by the burning of fossil fuels, is global 
   warming a good or bad thing?
  
  Again, overwhelming consensus that it's a bad thing.
 
 
 
 ditto re: consensus.
 
 
   
   4) If global warming is a bad thing, what are the 
costs/benefits 
 of 
   reversing it and what are the opportunity costs of reversing it?
  
  This isn't a hurdle to your original question,
  but rather to the question of what, if anything,
  we should do about global warming.




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