[FairfieldLife] Re: new page on MySpace
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, george_deforest [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hello, fairfield friends and TMers all over. i have created a Maharishi page on MySpace (tribute pages are common over there) tell me what you think! and/or: join MS and add to friend list! ~ http://www.myspace.com/26622618 ~ ps - i dont visit Fairfield Life much anymore, because i'm addicted to MySpace, LOL peace, george (dardura108) I've never been to MySpace, and I'm sure it's fun, but just as an advisory, you should probably look into the agreement you signed to join up before posting any- thing there you might later want to publish yourself. The fine print says that MySpace (that is, Rupert Murdoch) owns the rights to anything posted there. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/2pRQfA/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: new page on MySpace
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've never been to MySpace, and I'm sure it's fun, but just as an advisory, you should probably look into the agreement you signed to join up before posting any- thing there you might later want to publish yourself. The fine print says that MySpace (that is, Rupert Murdoch) owns the rights to anything posted there. That sounds odd. I am not challenging you, I am quite interested in this. But I am a little skeptical. Where did you come across this: from an article or blog that quoted the relevant parts of the agreement? Or from some bar or dinner converstaion story / punchline? Or other source? Thanks. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: new page on MySpace
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: I've never been to MySpace, and I'm sure it's fun, but just as an advisory, you should probably look into the agreement you signed to join up before posting any- thing there you might later want to publish yourself. The fine print says that MySpace (that is, Rupert Murdoch) owns the rights to anything posted there. That sounds odd. I am not challenging you, I am quite interested in this. But I am a little skeptical. Where did you come across this: from an article or blog that quoted the relevant parts of the agreement? Or from some bar or dinner converstaion story / punchline? Or other source? Thanks. It's been debated and talked about all over the Internet. I think I first saw it in a discussion forum started by the EFF (Electronic Frontier Foundation). Don't have time to look up the details right now; if you do, I'm sure a few Google clicks would find it for you. There is always the possibility that these sorts of things are an over- reaction or a hoax, but since the initial furor some months ago I have never seen any followup suggesting that this one is. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: new page on MySpace
On Jul 20, 2006, at 9:29 AM, new.morning wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've never been to MySpace, and I'm sure it's fun, but just as an advisory, you should probably look into the agreement you signed to join up before posting any- thing there you might later want to publish yourself. The "fine print" says that MySpace (that is, Rupert Murdoch) owns the rights to anything posted there. That sounds odd. I am not challenging you, I am quite interested in this. But I am a little skeptical. Where did you come across this: from an article or blog that quoted the relevant parts of the agreement? Or from some bar or dinner converstaion story / punchline? Or other source? It's been mentioned widely in the media. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: new page on MySpace
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, george_deforest george.deforest@ wrote: hello, fairfield friends and TMers all over. i have created a Maharishi page on MySpace (tribute pages are common over there) tell me what you think! and/or: join MS and add to friend list! ~ http://www.myspace.com/26622618 ~ ps - i dont visit Fairfield Life much anymore, because i'm addicted to MySpace, LOL peace, george (dardura108) I've never been to MySpace, and I'm sure it's fun, but just as an advisory, you should probably look into the agreement you signed to join up before posting any- thing there you might later want to publish yourself. The fine print says that MySpace (that is, Rupert Murdoch) owns the rights to anything posted there. No, it doesn't. From MySpace.com's Terms of Service: Proprietary Rights in Content on MySpace.com. MySpace.com does not claim any ownership rights in the text, files, images, photos, video, sounds, musical works, works of authorship, or any other materials (collectively, Content) that you post to the MySpace Services. After posting your Content to the MySpace Services, you continue to retain all ownership rights in such Content, and you continue to have the right to use your Content in any way you choose. By displaying or publishing (posting) any Content on or through the MySpace Services, you hereby grant to MySpace.com a limited license to use, modify, publicly perform, publicly display, reproduce, and distribute such Content solely on and through the MySpace Services. Without this license, MySpace.com would be unable to provide the MySpace Services. For example, without the right to modify Member Content, MySpace.com would not be able to digitally compress music files that Members submit or otherwise format Content to satisfy technical requirements, and without the right to publicly perform Member Content, MySpace.com could not allow Users to listen to music posted by Members. The license you grant to MySpace.com is non-exclusive (meaning you are free to license your Content to anyone else in addition to MySpace.com), fully-paid and royalty-free (meaning that MySpace.com is not required to pay you for the use on the MySpace Services of the Content that you post), sublicensable (so that MySpace.com is able to use its affiliates and subcontractors such as Internet content delivery networks to provide the MySpace Services), and worldwide (because the Internet and the MySpace Services are global in reach). This license will terminate at the time you remove your Content from the MySpace Services. The license does not grant MySpace.com the right to sell your Content, nor does the license grant MySpace.com the right to distribute your Content outside of the MySpace Services. http://tinyurl.com/r3fm2 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: new page on MySpace
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: I've never been to MySpace, and I'm sure it's fun, but just as an advisory, you should probably look into the agreement you signed to join up before posting any- thing there you might later want to publish yourself. The fine print says that MySpace (that is, Rupert Murdoch) owns the rights to anything posted there. That sounds odd. I am not challenging you, I am quite interested in this. But I am a little skeptical. Where did you come across this: from an article or blog that quoted the relevant parts of the agreement? Or from some bar or dinner converstaion story / punchline? Or other source? Thanks. It's been debated and talked about all over the Internet. I think I first saw it in a discussion forum started by the EFF (Electronic Frontier Foundation). Don't have time to look up the details right now; if you do, I'm sure a few Google clicks would find it for you. There is always the possibility that these sorts of things are an over- reaction or a hoax, but since the initial furor some months ago I have never seen any followup suggesting that this one is. However, if you had gone to look at MySpace.com's Terms of Service (link at the bottom of the home page), you'd have known for sure what the fine print said, wouldn't you? And then you wouldn't have risked misleading anybody with inaccurate information. There *was* a furor some months ago at the original wording of the TOS, but according to MySpace's spokesperson, it was a misunderstanding, and the TOS has been revised to clarify. In any case, there was *never* any question of My Space claiming *exclusive* rights to the material; you appear to have made that up. The original TOS said explicitly that MySpace was claiming *nonexclusive* rights. Here's a bit from the New York Daily News from June 6, with a quote from the original TOS: - ...Popular English songwriter Billy Bragg claims the MySpace.com terms of service give Murdoch's minions the right to exploit their content as they see fit. Bragg has deleted his tunes from his MySpace.com page, which offers this explanation: SORRY THERE'S NO MUSIC, because once an artist posts up any content (including songs), it then belongs to My Space (AKA Rupert Murdoch) and they can do what they want with it, throughout the world without paying the artist. The troublesome fine print informs users that by posting any content, you hereby grant to MySpace.com a NON-EXCLUSIVE, fully-paid and royalty-free, worldwide license (with the right to sublicense through unlimited levels of sublicensees) to use, copy, modify, adapt, translate, publicly perform, publicly display, store, reproduce, transmit, and distribute such Content on and through the Services. [emphasis added] Sounds dire. But Myspace.com spokesman Jeff Berman says not to worry. Because the legalese has caused some confusion, we are at work revising it to make it very clear that MySpace is not seeking a license to do anything with an artist's work other than allow it to be shared in the manner the artist intends, Berman says. Obviously, we don't own their music or do anything with it that they don't want. http://tinyurl.com/jtg5w - In a previous post, I quoted the current TOS, which explains *why* MySpace claims the rights it does. Looks pretty benign to me, and appears to validate just what Berman told the Daily News. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/2pRQfA/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: new page on MySpace
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, george_deforest george.deforest@ wrote: hello, fairfield friends and TMers all over. i have created a Maharishi page on MySpace (tribute pages are common over there) tell me what you think! and/or: join MS and add to friend list! ~ http://www.myspace.com/26622618 ~ ps - i dont visit Fairfield Life much anymore, because i'm addicted to MySpace, LOL peace, george (dardura108) I've never been to MySpace, and I'm sure it's fun, but just as an advisory, you should probably look into the agreement you signed to join up before posting any- thing there you might later want to publish yourself. The fine print says that MySpace (that is, Rupert Murdoch) owns the rights to anything posted there. No, it doesn't. Good to hear. The agreement you cite below has no relationship to the one quoted extensively in the articles that appeared in the press about this a few months ago. It is my guess that MySpace bowed to pressure and rewrote its license agreement. From MySpace.com's Terms of Service: Proprietary Rights in Content on MySpace.com. MySpace.com does not claim any ownership rights in the text, files, images, photos, video, sounds, musical works, works of authorship, or any other materials (collectively, Content) that you post to the MySpace Services. After posting your Content to the MySpace Services, you continue to retain all ownership rights in such Content, and you continue to have the right to use your Content in any way you choose. By displaying or publishing (posting) any Content on or through the MySpace Services, you hereby grant to MySpace.com a limited license to use, modify, publicly perform, publicly display, reproduce, and distribute such Content solely on and through the MySpace Services. Without this license, MySpace.com would be unable to provide the MySpace Services. For example, without the right to modify Member Content, MySpace.com would not be able to digitally compress music files that Members submit or otherwise format Content to satisfy technical requirements, and without the right to publicly perform Member Content, MySpace.com could not allow Users to listen to music posted by Members. The license you grant to MySpace.com is non-exclusive (meaning you are free to license your Content to anyone else in addition to MySpace.com), fully-paid and royalty-free (meaning that MySpace.com is not required to pay you for the use on the MySpace Services of the Content that you post), sublicensable (so that MySpace.com is able to use its affiliates and subcontractors such as Internet content delivery networks to provide the MySpace Services), and worldwide (because the Internet and the MySpace Services are global in reach). This license will terminate at the time you remove your Content from the MySpace Services. The license does not grant MySpace.com the right to sell your Content, nor does the license grant MySpace.com the right to distribute your Content outside of the MySpace Services. http://tinyurl.com/r3fm2 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: new page on MySpace
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 20, 2006, at 9:29 AM, new.morning wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: I've never been to MySpace, and I'm sure it's fun, but just as an advisory, you should probably look into the agreement you signed to join up before posting any- thing there you might later want to publish yourself. The fine print says that MySpace (that is, Rupert Murdoch) owns the rights to anything posted there. That sounds odd. I am not challenging you, I am quite interested in this. But I am a little skeptical. Where did you come across this: from an article or blog that quoted the relevant parts of the agreement? Or from some bar or dinner converstaion story / punchline? Or other source? It's been mentioned widely in the media. Erroneously. And it *never* claimed the exclusive rights Barry warns about. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: new page on MySpace
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Jul 20, 2006, at 9:29 AM, new.morning wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: I've never been to MySpace, and I'm sure it's fun, but just as an advisory, you should probably look into the agreement you signed to join up before posting any- thing there you might later want to publish yourself. The fine print says that MySpace (that is, Rupert Murdoch) owns the rights to anything posted there. That sounds odd. I am not challenging you, I am quite interested in this. But I am a little skeptical. Where did you come across this: from an article or blog that quoted the relevant parts of the agreement? Or from some bar or dinner converstaion story / punchline? Or other source? It's been mentioned widely in the media. Erroneously. And it *never* claimed the exclusive rights Barry warns about. You should remember that the person saying this is on record in the past as saying that the TMO *never* released any advertising materials saying that the siddhis courses would teach people to levitate. I guess being an apologist gets to be a habit after a while. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: new page on MySpace
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, george_deforest george.deforest@ wrote: hello, fairfield friends and TMers all over. i have created a Maharishi page on MySpace (tribute pages are common over there) tell me what you think! and/or: join MS and add to friend list! ~ http://www.myspace.com/26622618 ~ ps - i dont visit Fairfield Life much anymore, because i'm addicted to MySpace, LOL peace, george (dardura108) I've never been to MySpace, and I'm sure it's fun, but just as an advisory, you should probably look into the agreement you signed to join up before posting any- thing there you might later want to publish yourself. The fine print says that MySpace (that is, Rupert Murdoch) owns the rights to anything posted there. No, it doesn't. Good to hear. The agreement you cite below has no relationship to the one quoted extensively in the articles that appeared in the press about this a few months ago. It is my guess that MySpace bowed to pressure and rewrote its license agreement. It did rewrite the agreement (see later post), but it isn't clear whether it bowed to pressure to make actual changes in its policy, or simply rewrote the TOS to clarify the legalese, which had obviously confused many people. However, the TOS *never* claimed exclusive rights to the material, contrary to your warning to George. The original TOS explicitly said what it was claiming were *nonexclusive* rights. So you were significantly exaggerating even the original TOS. From MySpace.com's Terms of Service: Proprietary Rights in Content on MySpace.com. MySpace.com does not claim any ownership rights in the text, files, images, photos, video, sounds, musical works, works of authorship, or any other materials (collectively, Content) that you post to the MySpace Services. After posting your Content to the MySpace Services, you continue to retain all ownership rights in such Content, and you continue to have the right to use your Content in any way you choose. By displaying or publishing (posting) any Content on or through the MySpace Services, you hereby grant to MySpace.com a limited license to use, modify, publicly perform, publicly display, reproduce, and distribute such Content solely on and through the MySpace Services. Without this license, MySpace.com would be unable to provide the MySpace Services. For example, without the right to modify Member Content, MySpace.com would not be able to digitally compress music files that Members submit or otherwise format Content to satisfy technical requirements, and without the right to publicly perform Member Content, MySpace.com could not allow Users to listen to music posted by Members. The license you grant to MySpace.com is non-exclusive (meaning you are free to license your Content to anyone else in addition to MySpace.com), fully-paid and royalty-free (meaning that MySpace.com is not required to pay you for the use on the MySpace Services of the Content that you post), sublicensable (so that MySpace.com is able to use its affiliates and subcontractors such as Internet content delivery networks to provide the MySpace Services), and worldwide (because the Internet and the MySpace Services are global in reach). This license will terminate at the time you remove your Content from the MySpace Services. The license does not grant MySpace.com the right to sell your Content, nor does the license grant MySpace.com the right to distribute your Content outside of the MySpace Services. http://tinyurl.com/r3fm2 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/SISQkA/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: new page on MySpace
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Jul 20, 2006, at 9:29 AM, new.morning wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: I've never been to MySpace, and I'm sure it's fun, but just as an advisory, you should probably look into the agreement you signed to join up before posting any- thing there you might later want to publish yourself. The fine print says that MySpace (that is, Rupert Murdoch) owns the rights to anything posted there. That sounds odd. I am not challenging you, I am quite interested in this. But I am a little skeptical. Where did you come across this: from an article or blog that quoted the relevant parts of the agreement? Or from some bar or dinner converstaion story / punchline? Or other source? It's been mentioned widely in the media. Erroneously. And it *never* claimed the exclusive rights Barry warns about. You should remember that the person saying this is on record in the past as saying that the TMO *never* released any advertising materials saying that the siddhis courses would teach people to levitate. Nope, don't believe I ever said that. It would have been very strange if I had, since the first advertising *I* ever saw for the TM-Sidhis program--an announcement in a NY Times special Education section in 1976 (or '77?) --said explicitly that the course would teach people to levitate. In any case, the offending TOS was quoted, among other places, in the NY Daily News, as you know if you read my previous post. It said explicitly that it was claiming *nonexclusive* rights. I guess being an apologist gets to be a habit after a while. :-) What's gotten to be a habit wih me is correcting your continual misrepresentations, actually. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/2pRQfA/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/