Re: [FairfieldLife] Rudra joe

[Rick Archer]

Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Rudra joe





on 9/8/06 7:32 PM, off_world_beings at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > 
>> Yes. His house wasn’t damaged too seriously.
>> 
> 
> Wow !
> What an amazing a hard experience that whole thing must have been.

Here’s what he said: Thanks for sharing Rick, but I'm working full time right now and need the rest of my time for practice, recreation, etc Give all Rudra's love ;)


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[FairfieldLife] Rudra joe

[off_world_beings]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> on 9/8/06 8:31 AM, off_world_beings at [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
>  
> > 
> >> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> >> 
> >> > , Rick Archer  wrote:
> >>> >> 
> >>> >> on 9/7/06 11:17 PM, off_world_beings at 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>> >> 
> >> > wrote:
> >>> >> 
> >> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> >> > 
> >  
> >> > , "dhamiltony2k5"
> >> >  wrote:
> >> > 
>  >>> 
>  >>> Rick, them is fightin' words.  As soon as there 
comes a
> >> > public
>  >>> defender of the TMorg faith here you are in 
trouble.
>  >>> 
>  >>> Unless appointed otherwise, they do need a public 
defender
> >> > here,
>  >>> someone who could stand in the dock and give it 
back when
> >> > charged.
>  >>> I'd still like to see RudraJoe take >>>
> >> > 
> >> > I heard he was dead.
>  >>> 
> >>> >> I just spoke with him a few days ago. He called to say hi. 
He¹s
> >> > doing fine.
> >>> >> About to start a new cooking job.>>
> >> > 
> >> > Oh good, glad to hear it. Is he back in New Orleans?
> > 
> Yes. His house wasn¹t damaged too seriously.
>


Wow !
What an amazing a hard experience that whole thing must have been.

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RE: [FairfieldLife] Rudra Joe- Are you familiar with my hero?

[mark robert]

From: Peter Sutphen
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Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2005 5:22
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Comment below:

--- mark
robert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
snip

> 
>  
> 
> You are
absolutely correct that McKenna's brain
> would
show
> damage.
It would show all kinds of damage and
>
necrotic tissue,
> but not
because he took hallucinogens. His brain has
> been
rotting
> for
years BECAUSE HE HAS BEEN DEAD!
> 
> -Mark

Damage?
Necrotic tissue? Rotting brain? You don't have
a clue as to
what you are talking about. I'm sure (a
hypothesis)
at the functional, microscopic level you'd
find
anomalies, but by the time any damage shows up on
in the gross
anatomy, there are profound behavioral,
cognitive
and affective deficits.
-Peter 





 

 

Peter,

 

I was kinda joking. Terrance McKenna has
been dead for years; hence his “rotting” brain. I don’t
believe typical hallucinogen use causes measurable damage, especially compared
to such common things as caffeine and alcohol. But I DO believe that DYING is
very hard on brain tissue J

 

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Rudra Joe- Are you familiar with my hero?

[Peter Sutphen]

--- Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> 
> On Mar 20, 2005, at 5:22 PM, Peter Sutphen wrote:
> 
> > Damage? Necrotic tissue? Rotting brain? You don't
> have
> > a clue as to what you are talking about. I'm sure
> (a
> > hypothesis) at the functional, microscopic level
> you'd
> > find anomalies, but by the time any damage shows
> up on
> > in the gross anatomy, there are profound
> behavioral,
> > cognitive and affective deficits.
> 
> You don't believe excessive psychedelic use affects
> inter-neuronal 
> receptors?

Absolutely, but the impression I got from the post was
one of gross anatomical damage. When this occurs there
are profound deficits. The point seemed to be
over-stated. Thats all
-Peter



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Re: [FairfieldLife] Rudra Joe- Are you familiar with my hero?

[Vaj]

On Mar 20, 2005, at 5:22 PM, Peter Sutphen wrote:

> Damage? Necrotic tissue? Rotting brain? You don't have
> a clue as to what you are talking about. I'm sure (a
> hypothesis) at the functional, microscopic level you'd
> find anomalies, but by the time any damage shows up on
> in the gross anatomy, there are profound behavioral,
> cognitive and affective deficits.

You don't believe excessive psychedelic use affects inter-neuronal 
receptors?



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RE: [FairfieldLife] Rudra Joe- Are you familiar with my hero?

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Comment below:

--- mark robert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
snip

> 
>  
> 
> You are absolutely correct that McKenna's brain
> would show
> damage. It would show all kinds of damage and
> necrotic tissue,
> but not because he took hallucinogens. His brain has
> been rotting
> for years BECAUSE HE HAS BEEN DEAD!
> 
> -Mark

Damage? Necrotic tissue? Rotting brain? You don't have
a clue as to what you are talking about. I'm sure (a
hypothesis) at the functional, microscopic level you'd
find anomalies, but by the time any damage shows up on
in the gross anatomy, there are profound behavioral,
cognitive and affective deficits.
-Peter 




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Re: [FairfieldLife] Rudra Joe- Are you familiar with my hero?

[Vaj]

On Mar 20, 2005, at 3:52 PM, mark robert wrote:

> You are absolutely correct that McKenna’s brain would show damage. It 
> would show all kinds of damage and necrotic tissue, but not because he 
> took hallucinogens. His brain has been rotting for years BECAUSE HE 
> HAS BEEN DEAD!

Yes I knew that, it was an example. I wouldn't be surprised if he had 
donated it to science.



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RE: [FairfieldLife] Rudra Joe- Are you familiar with my hero?

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From: Vaj
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On
Mar 20, 2005, at 10:12 AM, rudra_joe wrote:

>
Actually, you shouldn't lump all hallucinogens together since 
> theres
a vast difference between phenyethelamines and trypamines, from 
> the 5
minute rush of dmt to the 18-24 hour trip of mescaline and DOM. 
> IMNHO,
LSD is very harsh, whereas in spite of the intensity of the 
>
experience nonetheless mescaline is not very rough at all. In fact the 
> tejas
seems to glow ever more bright during it.
>

While I
think it's probably true that not all hallucinogens are created 
equal, I
would guess their mechanism of action is similar, they 
over-excite
the cortex of the brain and do bizarre things with our 
neurotransmitters--like
fizz them out and do some not so nice things to 
the synaptic
gap with routine use. We'd already discussed my 
observation
of kundalini scarring on some practitioners who did 
LSD/psilocybin
as teenagers.

If your
tejas glows more bright during it, that's exactly what I'd 
expect.

It would be
interesting to compare the brains say of Terrence Mckenna 
and a long
term meditator. I would guess one would show greater neural 
development
while the other would show some form of damage and/or 
scarring.


---

 

 

Vaj,

 

You are absolutely correct that McKenna’s
brain would show damage. It would show all kinds of damage and necrotic tissue,
but not because he took hallucinogens. His brain has been rotting for years BECAUSE
HE HAS BEEN DEAD!

 

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Rudra Joe- Are you familiar with my hero?

[Vaj]

On Mar 20, 2005, at 10:12 AM, rudra_joe wrote:

> Actually, you shouldn't lump all hallucinogens together since 
> theres a vast difference between phenyethelamines and trypamines, from 
> the 5 minute rush of dmt to the 18-24 hour trip of mescaline and DOM. 
> IMNHO, LSD is very harsh, whereas in spite of the intensity of the 
> experience nonetheless mescaline is not very rough at all. In fact the 
> tejas seems to glow ever more bright during it.
>

While I think it's probably true that not all hallucinogens are created 
equal, I would guess their mechanism of action is similar, they 
over-excite the cortex of the brain and do bizarre things with our 
neurotransmitters--like fizz them out and do some not so nice things to 
the synaptic gap with routine use. We'd already discussed my 
observation of kundalini scarring on some practitioners who did 
LSD/psilocybin as teenagers.

If your tejas glows more bright during it, that's exactly what I'd 
expect.

It would be interesting to compare the brains say of Terrence Mckenna 
and a long term meditator. I would guess one would show greater neural 
development while the other would show some form of damage and/or 
scarring.



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Re: [FairfieldLife] Rudra Joe- Are you familiar with my hero?

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It's not obvious why a rishi wouldn't want to have all his tejas 
drained off? nevermind. You're clueless man.Actually, you shouldn't lump all hallucinogens together 
since theres a vast difference between phenyethelamines and trypamines, from the 
5 minute rush of dmt to the 18-24 hour trip of mescaline and DOM. IMNHO, LSD is 
very harsh, whereas in spite of the intensity of the experience nonetheless 
mescaline is not very rough at all. In fact the tejas seems to glow ever more 
bright during it. 
 
Of course if one is staying up all night without 
sleep, tripping bawls, not eating, or say throwing up their ayahuasca then yes 
they're going to look gray.  
 
One must wonder if it after all is not exactly the 
very intensity of experience itself in general which either is samsaric or 
nirvanic.  My guess is that the plant kingdom works with the human to 
propagate its life and that the depth of the experience is what remains in 
future lives. So that would mean that when tripping one might very well be 
flashing onto a larger picture of enlightenment samsara that remains in the 
mind. When I first grew my Yopo plant I had a real living sense of deja vu that 
I still get when near it.  I am a witch so very herbalaware. 
 
Enough about me. I'm sick of seeing myself 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Rudra Joe- Are you familiar with my hero?

[rudra_joe]

Vaj,Given which "fact"? I don't see a single thing in your 
whole postthat would qualify as a fact in terms of having any 
scientificbasis.It is becoming more and more clear why you try to 
deny/discreditthe Rig Veda's description of Soma. You have an 
obviousschizophrenia about drugs. It's funny that you talk 
theVedic/Hindu/Indian/TMO talk, but can't accept the message of oneof 
its earliest liturgical foundations.What's your best brief on why you 
think Wasson was a whacko andamanita muscaria was not Soma? Come on; humor 
me.-Mark-Ah come on Mark, I think Vaj is about the esoteric 
rather than literal. Nobody knows everything, and I bet he would admit such as 
well. I think so far almost everyone but myself conceeds that we don't know what 
soma is. I personally think that the amanita idea is scoffable, though in the 
sense of what I call the  witch ointment theory, since herbs and plants 
work synergistically it would be just as scoffable to think that the finished 
soma mixture was one single plant only. My guess is that whatever it was would 
also contain a MAO inhibitor like the Ayuhuasca brews of the Amazon. Pprolly 
also a hallucinogen and a stimulant.  If it also made one very inebriated 
then my guess is the flying ointment was very powerful.  I bet the soma 
totally lit you up. 
 
That was the joy of being a priest, and how I 
learned that enlightenment can in fact come through the effortless method of 
drugs. But enlightenment doesn't mean one is a bodhisattva or working for others 
benefits too spread the joy.  So my feeling is that being a Brahmana was 
too insular and therefore fearful of it's own purity and therefore weak. Brahmin 
culture is weak because it's a niche genepool without much diversity, and will 
be until its gene, and meme pool opens up to accept the entire world. Hey, if 
your gotra is Vasistha then it means still that you're 100 percent Indian 
because they have never much outermarried into other cultures.  If your 
religion was rishi then you were going to be merely relegated to that historical 
niche.  
 
On the other hand, Democracy will continue to grow, 
or at least its ideals.  Because we are spreading the American gene and 
meme pool.  Maharishi's gene and meme pool is becoming more fanatically 
self alligned and insular, whereas Islam and Democracy, those two religions, are 
spreading. So yeah Maharishi another window onto the Sat Yuga yet again.  
Like I haven't experienced for 20 minutes now.  But give that sat yuga to 
those who can't and don't even know about it. Go out and surprise everyone with 
blessings.  This is what the Rishi culture always needed, not merely yajnas 
for the rich.  Maharishi you fucking asshole. You're a car in reverse on a 
freeway you dipshit. You fucked up. You blew it. It's simply hard for you to 
believe because you come from an elitist pundit race which believes 
anything.  Goddamnyou maharishi, you could have broken through but you 
fucked up you. Maharishi listen too me. You fucked up. With America.  
Yeah, keep your pocket pools of small minded memes, your portholes onto sat 
yuga. Yeah keep it. Or make it real for everyone.  
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Rudra Joe- Are you familiar with my hero?

[Vaj]

On Mar 20, 2005, at 2:58 AM, mark robert wrote:

> Given which "fact"? I don't see a single thing in your whole post
> that would qualify as a fact in terms of having any scientific
> basis.

It's not obvious why a rishi wouldn't want to have all his tejas 
drained off? nevermind. You're clueless man.



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RE: [FairfieldLife] Rudra Joe- Are you familiar with my hero?

[mark robert]

-Original Message-
From: Vaj [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
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On Mar 19, 2005, at 12:07 PM, mark robert wrote:

> f you believe your last sentence, then why did you write this
sentence 
> in a previous thread just yesterday?
>
>  
>
> “No physical substance will ever enlighten us on its own.”

Just because you can induce samadhi with a drug or a machine (yes
there 
are machines now that can induce samadhi) it doesn't mean you
will get 
enlightened (although I do know one case where this happened--I 
actually posted this a while back, it's rare).

There was even a whacko named Wasson who believed that the soma
plant 
was the amanita muscara mushroom. People will believe anything.

Drugs can induce minor samadhi states and minor siddhis. The
initial 
experience might be helpful, but you gotta throw that crutch away
once 
our eyes are opened.

Part of the soma trip is seeing into other dimensions and then 
integrating that. This is only possible with highly refined forms
of 
prana. It takes time to cultivate these pranas. Hallucinogens
work by 
burning up these subtle pranas. Unlike actual gnosis, which
derives its 
energy from contact with the avadhuti--the central life 
force--hallucinogens do not typically take you there. So tejas
and ojas 
are drained away. This can be observed in people who just
finished 
"tripping". The "shine" most people naturally have is due to
tejas 
prana. Trippers will very conspicuously NOT have this. To me they
look 
"grayish". It scared me when I saw this, but it is definitely
true.

Given this fact I have no doubt that botanicals are much less
likely to 
be the real "soma".



---


Vaj,

Given which "fact"? I don't see a single thing in your whole post
that would qualify as a fact in terms of having any scientific
basis.

It is becoming more and more clear why you try to deny/discredit
the Rig Veda's description of Soma. You have an obvious
schizophrenia about drugs. It's funny that you talk the
Vedic/Hindu/Indian/TMO talk, but can't accept the message of one
of its earliest liturgical foundations.

What's your best brief on why you think Wasson was a whacko and
amanita muscaria was not Soma? Come on; humor me.

-Mark




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Re: [FairfieldLife] Rudra Joe- Are you familiar with my hero?

[Vaj]

On Mar 19, 2005, at 12:07 PM, mark robert wrote:

> f you believe your last sentence, then why did you write this sentence 
> in a previous thread just yesterday?
>
>  
>
> “No physical substance will ever enlighten us on its own.”

Just because you can induce samadhi with a drug or a machine (yes there 
are machines now that can induce samadhi) it doesn't mean you will get 
enlightened (although I do know one case where this happened--I 
actually posted this a while back, it's rare).

There was even a whacko named Wasson who believed that the soma plant 
was the amanita muscara mushroom. People will believe anything.

Drugs can induce minor samadhi states and minor siddhis. The initial 
experience might be helpful, but you gotta throw that crutch away once 
our eyes are opened.

Part of the soma trip is seeing into other dimensions and then 
integrating that. This is only possible with highly refined forms of 
prana. It takes time to cultivate these pranas. Hallucinogens work by 
burning up these subtle pranas. Unlike actual gnosis, which derives its 
energy from contact with the avadhuti--the central life 
force--hallucinogens do not typically take you there. So tejas and ojas 
are drained away. This can be observed in people who just finished 
"tripping". The "shine" most people naturally have is due to tejas 
prana. Trippers will very conspicuously NOT have this. To me they look 
"grayish". It scared me when I saw this, but it is definitely true.

Given this fact I have no doubt that botanicals are much less likely to 
be the real "soma".





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RE: [FairfieldLife] Rudra Joe- Are you familiar with my hero?

[mark robert]

From: Vaj
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7:01 AM
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On
Mar 19, 2005, at 5:34 AM, easyone200 wrote:

> New
York Times
> Dr.
Ecstasy
> By
DRAKE BENNETT  (NYT) 4390  words
>
Published: January 30, 2005

>
Alexander Shulgin, Sasha

I understand
that MDMA is legal for therapeutic use in CA, is that 
correct? I
tried it via one  of Sasha's associates back when it was 
still legal.
Sasha is a genius. He's produced entheogens that induce 
samadhi.



--

 

 

Vaj,

 

If you believe your last sentence, then why
did you write this sentence in a previous thread just yesterday?

 

“No physical substance will ever enlighten us on its own.”

 

-Mark

 







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Re: [FairfieldLife] Rudra Joe- Are you familiar with my hero?

[Vaj]

On Mar 19, 2005, at 5:34 AM, easyone200 wrote:

> New York Times
> Dr. Ecstasy
> By DRAKE BENNETT  (NYT) 4390  words
> Published: January 30, 2005

> Alexander Shulgin, Sasha

I understand that MDMA is legal for therapeutic use in CA, is that 
correct? I tried it via one  of Sasha's associates back when it was 
still legal. Sasha is a genius. He's produced entheogens that induce 
samadhi.



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[FairfieldLife] Rudra Joe- Are you familiar with my hero?

[easyone200]

New York Times
Dr. Ecstasy
By DRAKE BENNETT  (NYT) 4390  words
Published: January 30, 2005

Alexander Shulgin, Sasha to his friends, lives with his wife, Ann, 30 minutes 
inland from 
the San Francisco Bay on a hillside dotted with valley oak, Monterey pine and 
hallucinogenic cactus. At 79, he stoops a little, but he is still well over six 
feet tall, with a 
mane of white hair, a matching beard and a wardrobe that runs toward sandals, 
slacks and 
short-sleeved shirts with vaguely ethnic patterns. He lives modestly, drawing 
income from 
a small stock portfolio supplemented by his Social Security and the rent that 
two phone 
companies pay him to put cell towers on his land. In many respects he might 
pass for a 
typical Contra Costa County retiree.

It was an acquaintance of Shulgin's named Humphry Osmond, a British 
psychiatrist and 
researcher into the effects of mescaline and LSD, who coined the word 
''psychedelic'' in the 
late 1950's for a class of drugs that significantly alter one's perception of 
reality. Derived 
from Greek, the term translates as ''mind manifesting'' and is preferred by 
those who 
believe in the curative power of such chemicals. Skeptics tend to call them 
hallucinogens.



Shulgin is in the former camp. There's a story he likes to tell about the past 
100 years: ''At 
the beginning of the 20th century, there were only two psychedelic compounds 
known to 
Western science: cannabis and mescaline. A little over 50 years later -- with 
LSD, 
psilocybin, psilocin, TMA, several compounds based on DMT and various other 
isomers -- 
the number was up to almost 20. By 2000, there were well over 200. So you see, 
the 
growth is exponential.'' When I asked him whether that meant that by 2050 we'll 
be up to 
2,000, he smiled and said, ''The way it's building up now, we may have well 
over that 
number.''

The point is clear enough: the continuing explosion in options for chemical 
mind-
manifestation is as natural as the passage of time. But what Shulgin's 
narrative leaves out 
is the fact that most of this supposedly inexorable diversification took place 
in a lab in his 
backyard. For 40 years, working in plain sight of the law and publishing his 
results, 
Shulgin has been a one-man psychopharmacological research sector. (Timothy 
Leary 
called him one of the century's most important scientists.) By Shulgin's own 
count, he has 
created nearly 200 psychedelic compounds, among them stimulants, depressants, 
aphrodisiacs, ''empathogens,'' convulsants, drugs that alter hearing, drugs 
that slow one's 
sense of time, drugs that speed it up, drugs that trigger violent outbursts, 
drugs that 
deaden emotion -- in short, a veritable lexicon of tactile and emotional 
experience. And in 
1976, Shulgin fished an obscure chemical called MDMA out of the depths of the 
chemical 
literature and introduced it to the wider world, where it came to be known as 
Ecstasy.

In the small subculture that truly believes in better living through chemistry, 
Shulgin's 
oeuvre has made him an icon and a hero: part pioneer, part holy man, part 
connoisseur. 
As his supporters point out, his work places him in an old, and in many 
cultures venerable, 
tradition. Whether it's West African iboga ceremonies or Navajo peyote rituals, 
60's LSD 
culture or the age-old cultivation of cannabis nearly everywhere on the planet 
it can grow, 
the pursuit and celebration of chemically-induced alternate realms of 
consciousness goes 
back beyond the dawn of recorded history and has proved impossible to fully 
suppress. 
Shulgin sees nothing strange about devoting his life to it. What's strange to 
him is that so 
few others see fit to do the same thing.

Most of the scientific community considers Shulgin at best a curiosity and at 
worst a 
menace. Now, however, near the end of his career, his faith in the potential of 
psychedelics has at least a chance at vindication. A little more than a month 
ago, the Food 
and Drug Administration approved a Harvard Medical School study looking at 
whether 
MDMA can alleviate the fear and anxiety of terminal cancer patients. And next 
month will 
mark a year since Michael Mithoefer, a psychiatrist in Charleston, S.C., 
started his study of 
Ecstasy-assisted therapy for post-traumatic stress disorder. At the same time, 
with 
somewhat less attention, studies at the Harbor-U.C.L.A. Medical Center and the 
University 
of Arizona, Tucson, have focused on the therapeutic potential of psilocybin 
(the active 
ingredient in ''magic mushrooms''). It's far from a revolution, but it is an 
opening, and as 
both scientist and advocate, Shulgin has helped create it. If -- and it's a big 
''if'' -- the 
results of the studies are promising enough, it might bring something like 
legitimacy to 
the Shulgin pharmacopoeia.

''I've always been interested in the machinery of the mental process,'' Shulgin 
told me not 
long ago. He has also, from a very young age, loved playing with chemicals. As 
a