[FairfieldLife] Take Me For A Ride; A look inside Lenz's cult, and Barry's mind

2014-10-18 Thread fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
If you want to know how Barry thinks, and how he got so screwed up, there is a 
free ebook, from someone who was very close to Freddie. The name of the book 
is: TAKE ME FOR A RIDE Coming Of Age In A Destructive Cult, by Mark E. Laxer. 
Available on the link that Richard posted. 

 Here are some quotes from the book. When I read them, they sounded strangely 
familiar. Note: Freddie used to call himself, Atmananada (Soul of Love), 
before he decided he was the final incarnation of Vishnu. The guy sounds VERY 
CRAZY: 
 

 Atmananda exposed his Big Nurse nature in other ways.  He claimed,
 for instance, that he had to press all the right buttons
 to help people overcome their resistance to the Light and to him….
 
 He taught me to fear what would happen if I left the Centre.
 You know too much to leave.  It's a greedy, materialistic world
 out there.  Your soul would be miserable.  Besides, the Forces would
 flatten you like a bug.  You would lose thousands of lifetimes
 of evolution.
  
 He taught me to fear, not just the Forces but people, particularly old
 friends and family.  It's best if you don't tell them what we do here.
 Believe me, they won't understand.  They'll end up blocking your
 progress and sapping your power.“…
 

 =
 
 

 Atmananda, I suddenly announced.  I *saw* the Warriors.
  
 Others in the circle soon *saw* them too.
  
 Atmananda held desert trips once or twice a month and, by mid-1983,
 followers *saw* him walking above the ground on a cushion of light,
 flying to distant mountains, sending columns of light into the sky,
 and causing constellations to gyrate and disappear.
  
 On one starlit night, Atmananda raised his hands above his head.
 As he slowly lowered them, he made a low, whistling sound like
 the wind.
  
 What did you *see*? he asked afterward.
  
 I didn't *see* anything, one new follower bemoaned.
  
 Advanced psychic vision is necessary to perceive what I am doing…
 ==
 

 
 Are you Rama? someone asked.
  
 Yes, he replied.  I am Rama, the last incarnation of Vishnu.
 You people think that I am a person, but I am not.  Over the years
 I watched my various selves fade away.  I fought the process tooth
 and nail--like each of you are doing now.  But it was in vain.
 I could not stop the process of dissolution.  I had to admit that I
 was no longer a person.  This morning I suddenly knew who I was.
 I have been cycling...I am beginning to remember...Eternity
 has named me Rama...Rama most clearly reflects my strand
 of luminosity...We're at the end of a cycle...At this time,
 Vishnu takes incarnation as a person...Vishnu is that aspect of God
 that preserves and protects life...Rama...the last incarnation
 of Vishnu...
 
 

 
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[FairfieldLife] wrote:

 But to bring this whole diversion (for that is what it is) back into the 
present, I really wish that Richard, Jim, and a few others would leave off this 
try-to-get-to-me-by-bringing-up-Rama shit. It's old, and it's based on your 
*own* cult thinking and how *your* minds work, not how mine works. 
 You need to get a grip, Barry - you just posted about Rama shit a few months 
ago!
 
 I've seen someone levitate. Many times. In many settings, from the Los 
Angeles 
 Convention Center to the Anza-Borrego Desert to a Denny's restaurant in the 
wee 
 hours of the night. - TurquoiseB 
 
 Subject: TM is a Cult?
 Author: TurquoiseB
 Group: Yahoo Fairfieldife
 Date: Friday, 23 May 2014
 Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM is a Cult? 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Take Me For A Ride; A look inside Lenz's cult, and Barry's mind

2014-10-18 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
The Movement does and Marshy did the exact same things -engendering fear about 
what will happen if you don't go to the Dome, if you go see other gurus, if you 
get off the program. People who live in glass houses, Fleet




 From: fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 8:18 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Take Me For A Ride; A look inside Lenz's cult, and 
Barry's mind
 


  
If you want to know how Barry thinks, and how he got so screwed up, there is a 
free ebook, from someone who was very close to Freddie. The name of the book 
is: TAKE ME FOR A RIDE
Coming Of Age In A Destructive Cult, by Mark E. Laxer. Available on the link 
that Richard posted.

Here are some quotes from the book. When I read them, they sounded strangely 
familiar. Note: Freddie used to call himself, Atmananada (Soul of Love), 
before he decided he was the final incarnation of Vishnu. The guy sounds VERY 
CRAZY: 

Atmanandaexposed his Big Nurse nature in other
ways.  He claimed,
for instance, that he had to press
all the right buttons
to help people overcome their resistance
to the Light and to him….
He taught me to fear what would happen if
I left the Centre.
You know too much to leave.  It's a greedy, materialistic world
out there.  Your soul would be miserable.  Besides, the Forces would
flatten you like a bug.  You would lose thousands of lifetimes
of evolution.
 
He taught me to fear, not just the Forces
but people, particularly old
friends and family.  It's best if you don't tell them what
we do here.
Believe me, they won't understand.  They'll end up blocking your
progress and sapping your power.“…

=

Atmananda, I suddenly announced.  I *saw* the Warriors.
 
Others in the circle soon *saw* them too.
 
Atmanandaheld desert trips once or twice a month
and, by mid-1983,
followers *saw* him walking above the
ground on a cushion of light,
flying to distant mountains, sending
columns of light into the sky,
and causing constellations to gyrate and
disappear.
 
On one starlit night, Atmanandaraised his hands above his head.
As he slowly lowered them, he made a low,
whistling sound like
the wind.
 
What did you *see*? he asked
afterward.
 
I didn't *see* anything, one
new follower bemoaned.
 
Advanced psychic vision is
necessary to perceive what I am doing…
==

Are you Rama? someone asked.
 
Yes, he replied.  I am Rama, the last incarnation of
Vishnu.
You people think that I am a person, but
I am not.  Over the years
I watched my various selves fade
away.  I fought the process tooth
and nail--like each of you are doing
now.  But it was in vain.
I could not stop the process of
dissolution.  I had to admit that I
was no longer a person.  This morning I suddenly knew who I was.
I have been cycling...I am beginning to
remember...Eternity
has named me Rama...Rama most clearly
reflects my strand
of luminosity...We're at the end of a
cycle...At this time,
Vishnu takes incarnation as a
person...Vishnu is that aspect of God
that preserves and protects
life...Rama...the last incarnation
of Vishnu...


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On 10/17/2014 9:16 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] wrote:

But to bring this whole diversion (for that is
what it is) back into the present, I really wish that
Richard, Jim, and a few others would leave off this
try-to-get-to-me-by-bringing-up-Rama shit. It's old, and
it's based on your *own* cult thinking and how *your*
minds work, not how mine works. 

You need to get a grip, Barry - you just posted about Rama shit a
few months ago!

I've seen someone levitate. Many times. In many settings, from
the Los Angeles 
Convention Center to the Anza-Borrego Desert to a Denny's
restaurant in the wee 
hours of the night. - TurquoiseB 

Subject: TM is a Cult?
Author: TurquoiseB
Group: Yahoo Fairfieldife
Date: Friday, 23 May 2014
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM is a Cult?
 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Take Me For A Ride; A look inside Lenz's cult, and Barry's mind

2014-10-18 Thread fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
100 % bullshit, MJ. Have you read the book? ...I didn't think so...
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 The Movement does and Marshy did the exact same things -engendering fear about 
what will happen if you don't go to the Dome, if you go see other gurus, if you 
get off the program. People who live in glass houses, Fleet

 

 From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 8:18 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Take Me For A Ride; A look inside Lenz's cult, and 
Barry's mind
 
 
   If you want to know how Barry thinks, and how he got so screwed up, there is 
a free ebook, from someone who was very close to Freddie. The name of the book 
is: TAKE ME FOR A RIDE Coming Of Age In A Destructive Cult, by Mark E. Laxer. 
Available on the link that Richard posted.
 

 Here are some quotes from the book. When I read them, they sounded strangely 
familiar. Note: Freddie used to call himself, Atmananada (Soul of Love), 
before he decided he was the final incarnation of Vishnu. The guy sounds VERY 
CRAZY: 
 

 Atmananda exposed his Big Nurse nature in other ways.  He claimed,
 for instance, that he had to press all the right buttons
 to help people overcome their resistance to the Light and to him….
 He taught me to fear what would happen if I left the Centre.
 You know too much to leave.  It's a greedy, materialistic world
 out there.  Your soul would be miserable.  Besides, the Forces would
 flatten you like a bug.  You would lose thousands of lifetimes
 of evolution.
  
 He taught me to fear, not just the Forces but people, particularly old
 friends and family.  It's best if you don't tell them what we do here.
 Believe me, they won't understand.  They'll end up blocking your
 progress and sapping your power.“…
 

 =
 

 Atmananda, I suddenly announced.  I *saw* the Warriors.
  
 Others in the circle soon *saw* them too.
  
 Atmananda held desert trips once or twice a month and, by mid-1983,
 followers *saw* him walking above the ground on a cushion of light,
 flying to distant mountains, sending columns of light into the sky,
 and causing constellations to gyrate and disappear.
  
 On one starlit night, Atmananda raised his hands above his head.
 As he slowly lowered them, he made a low, whistling sound like
 the wind.
  
 What did you *see*? he asked afterward.
  
 I didn't *see* anything, one new follower bemoaned.
  
 Advanced psychic vision is necessary to perceive what I am doing…
 ==
 

 Are you Rama? someone asked.
  
 Yes, he replied.  I am Rama, the last incarnation of Vishnu.
 You people think that I am a person, but I am not.  Over the years
 I watched my various selves fade away.  I fought the process tooth
 and nail--like each of you are doing now.  But it was in vain.
 I could not stop the process of dissolution.  I had to admit that I
 was no longer a person.  This morning I suddenly knew who I was.
 I have been cycling...I am beginning to remember...Eternity
 has named me Rama...Rama most clearly reflects my strand
 of luminosity...We're at the end of a cycle...At this time,
 Vishnu takes incarnation as a person...Vishnu is that aspect of God
 that preserves and protects life...Rama...the last incarnation
 of Vishnu...
 

 
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote :

 On 10/17/2014 9:16 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:

 But to bring this whole diversion (for that is what it is) back into the 
present, I really wish that Richard, Jim, and a few others would leave off this 
try-to-get-to-me-by-bringing-up-Rama shit. It's old, and it's based on your 
*own* cult thinking and how *your* minds work, not how mine works. 
 You need to get a grip, Barry - you just posted about Rama shit a few months 
ago!
 
 I've seen someone levitate. Many times. In many settings, from the Los 
Angeles 
 Convention Center to the Anza-Borrego Desert to a Denny's restaurant in the 
wee 
 hours of the night. - TurquoiseB 
 
 Subject: TM is a Cult?
 Author: TurquoiseB
 Group: Yahoo Fairfieldife
 Date: Friday, 23 May 2014
 Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM is a Cult? 
http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com/msg317597.html 
 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Take Me For A Ride; A look inside Lenz's cult, and Barry's mind

2014-10-18 Thread nablusoss1008
I had no idea that the guru of the Turq was THAT crazy. Thanks for posting, it 
makes you wonder how much of that craziness the Turq is carrying with him even 
today...
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :

 100 % bullshit, MJ. Have you read the book? ...I didn't think so...
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 The Movement does and Marshy did the exact same things -engendering fear about 
what will happen if you don't go to the Dome, if you go see other gurus, if you 
get off the program. People who live in glass houses, Fleet

 

 From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 8:18 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Take Me For A Ride; A look inside Lenz's cult, and 
Barry's mind
 
 
   If you want to know how Barry thinks, and how he got so screwed up, there is 
a free ebook, from someone who was very close to Freddie. The name of the book 
is: TAKE ME FOR A RIDE Coming Of Age In A Destructive Cult, by Mark E. Laxer. 
Available on the link that Richard posted.
 

 Here are some quotes from the book. When I read them, they sounded strangely 
familiar. Note: Freddie used to call himself, Atmananada (Soul of Love), 
before he decided he was the final incarnation of Vishnu. The guy sounds VERY 
CRAZY: 
 

 Atmananda exposed his Big Nurse nature in other ways.  He claimed,
 for instance, that he had to press all the right buttons
 to help people overcome their resistance to the Light and to him….
 He taught me to fear what would happen if I left the Centre.
 You know too much to leave.  It's a greedy, materialistic world
 out there.  Your soul would be miserable.  Besides, the Forces would
 flatten you like a bug.  You would lose thousands of lifetimes
 of evolution.
  
 He taught me to fear, not just the Forces but people, particularly old
 friends and family.  It's best if you don't tell them what we do here.
 Believe me, they won't understand.  They'll end up blocking your
 progress and sapping your power.“…
 

 =
 

 Atmananda, I suddenly announced.  I *saw* the Warriors.
  
 Others in the circle soon *saw* them too.
  
 Atmananda held desert trips once or twice a month and, by mid-1983,
 followers *saw* him walking above the ground on a cushion of light,
 flying to distant mountains, sending columns of light into the sky,
 and causing constellations to gyrate and disappear.
  
 On one starlit night, Atmananda raised his hands above his head.
 As he slowly lowered them, he made a low, whistling sound like
 the wind.
  
 What did you *see*? he asked afterward.
  
 I didn't *see* anything, one new follower bemoaned.
  
 Advanced psychic vision is necessary to perceive what I am doing…
 ==
 

 Are you Rama? someone asked.
  
 Yes, he replied.  I am Rama, the last incarnation of Vishnu.
 You people think that I am a person, but I am not.  Over the years
 I watched my various selves fade away.  I fought the process tooth
 and nail--like each of you are doing now.  But it was in vain.
 I could not stop the process of dissolution.  I had to admit that I
 was no longer a person.  This morning I suddenly knew who I was.
 I have been cycling...I am beginning to remember...Eternity
 has named me Rama...Rama most clearly reflects my strand
 of luminosity...We're at the end of a cycle...At this time,
 Vishnu takes incarnation as a person...Vishnu is that aspect of God
 that preserves and protects life...Rama...the last incarnation
 of Vishnu...
 

 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote :

 On 10/17/2014 9:16 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:

 But to bring this whole diversion (for that is what it is) back into the 
present, I really wish that Richard, Jim, and a few others would leave off this 
try-to-get-to-me-by-bringing-up-Rama shit. It's old, and it's based on your 
*own* cult thinking and how *your* minds work, not how mine works. 
 You need to get a grip, Barry - you just posted about Rama shit a few months 
ago!
 
 I've seen someone levitate. Many times. In many settings, from the Los 
Angeles 
 Convention Center to the Anza-Borrego Desert to a Denny's restaurant in the 
wee 
 hours of the night. - TurquoiseB 
 
 Subject: TM is a Cult?
 Author: TurquoiseB
 Group: Yahoo Fairfieldife
 Date: Friday, 23 May 2014
 Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM is a Cult? 
http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com/msg317597.html 
 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Take Me For A Ride; A look inside Lenz's cult, and Barry's mind

2014-10-18 Thread fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Quite a bit - Those mental patterns were instilled through brainwashing. Lenz, 
unfortunately, knew what he was doing.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 I had no idea that the guru of the Turq was THAT crazy. Thanks for posting, it 
makes you wonder how much of that craziness the Turq is carrying with him even 
today...
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :

 100 % bullshit, MJ. Have you read the book? ...I didn't think so...
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 The Movement does and Marshy did the exact same things -engendering fear about 
what will happen if you don't go to the Dome, if you go see other gurus, if you 
get off the program. People who live in glass houses, Fleet

 

 From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 8:18 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Take Me For A Ride; A look inside Lenz's cult, and 
Barry's mind
 
 
   If you want to know how Barry thinks, and how he got so screwed up, there is 
a free ebook, from someone who was very close to Freddie. The name of the book 
is: TAKE ME FOR A RIDE Coming Of Age In A Destructive Cult, by Mark E. Laxer. 
Available on the link that Richard posted.
 

 Here are some quotes from the book. When I read them, they sounded strangely 
familiar. Note: Freddie used to call himself, Atmananada (Soul of Love), 
before he decided he was the final incarnation of Vishnu. The guy sounds VERY 
CRAZY: 
 

 Atmananda exposed his Big Nurse nature in other ways.  He claimed,
 for instance, that he had to press all the right buttons
 to help people overcome their resistance to the Light and to him….
 He taught me to fear what would happen if I left the Centre.
 You know too much to leave.  It's a greedy, materialistic world
 out there.  Your soul would be miserable.  Besides, the Forces would
 flatten you like a bug.  You would lose thousands of lifetimes
 of evolution.
  
 He taught me to fear, not just the Forces but people, particularly old
 friends and family.  It's best if you don't tell them what we do here.
 Believe me, they won't understand.  They'll end up blocking your
 progress and sapping your power.“…
 

 =
 

 Atmananda, I suddenly announced.  I *saw* the Warriors.
  
 Others in the circle soon *saw* them too.
  
 Atmananda held desert trips once or twice a month and, by mid-1983,
 followers *saw* him walking above the ground on a cushion of light,
 flying to distant mountains, sending columns of light into the sky,
 and causing constellations to gyrate and disappear.
  
 On one starlit night, Atmananda raised his hands above his head.
 As he slowly lowered them, he made a low, whistling sound like
 the wind.
  
 What did you *see*? he asked afterward.
  
 I didn't *see* anything, one new follower bemoaned.
  
 Advanced psychic vision is necessary to perceive what I am doing…
 ==
 

 Are you Rama? someone asked.
  
 Yes, he replied.  I am Rama, the last incarnation of Vishnu.
 You people think that I am a person, but I am not.  Over the years
 I watched my various selves fade away.  I fought the process tooth
 and nail--like each of you are doing now.  But it was in vain.
 I could not stop the process of dissolution.  I had to admit that I
 was no longer a person.  This morning I suddenly knew who I was.
 I have been cycling...I am beginning to remember...Eternity
 has named me Rama...Rama most clearly reflects my strand
 of luminosity...We're at the end of a cycle...At this time,
 Vishnu takes incarnation as a person...Vishnu is that aspect of God
 that preserves and protects life...Rama...the last incarnation
 of Vishnu...
 

 
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote :

 On 10/17/2014 9:16 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:

 But to bring this whole diversion (for that is what it is) back into the 
present, I really wish that Richard, Jim, and a few others would leave off this 
try-to-get-to-me-by-bringing-up-Rama shit. It's old, and it's based on your 
*own* cult thinking and how *your* minds work, not how mine works. 
 You need to get a grip, Barry - you just posted about Rama shit a few months 
ago!
 
 I've seen someone levitate. Many times. In many settings, from the Los 
Angeles 
 Convention Center to the Anza-Borrego Desert to a Denny's restaurant in the 
wee 
 hours of the night. - TurquoiseB 
 
 Subject: TM is a Cult?
 Author: TurquoiseB
 Group: Yahoo Fairfieldife
 Date: Friday, 23 May 2014
 Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM is a Cult? 
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