[FairfieldLife] What to do to reclaim FFL? (was Re: On Bullshit and Crimes Against Logic)
Remember that story I posted about a week ago which I entitled A Story for Judy and Barry? Neither of you commented on it. I thought it was trite and simplistic, actually, Rick, and not at all to the point. Neither Barry nor I is an old master... +++ Does I is sound right? Some of the modern English seems to be getting out of hand. N. Good question. Barry am can't be right, though. I had originally written are, but that's not correct, because neither/nor takes a singular verb. I can't think of any way to get around Barry am or I is. Suggestions? [Regarding Barry and myself], neither one of us is an ...+ Clunky, and the emphasis isn't quite right in context. Here, I've got it: Barry isn't an old master, and neither am I. Actually, I just flashed on it: Neither Barry nor I is an old master IS correct: Neither is an old master. The neither takes is. Because of filters, I've only been catching about half of this nitpickfest, but I should point out that NONE of the answers suggested so far have been correct, because 1) both protagonists are, in fact, OLD (one of them very old indeed), and 2) at least one of the protagonists *has* been certified as a 'master' in several different disciplines, in some cases on diplomas that he could hang on his wall if he was prone to doing that sort of thing. So it would seem that the accurate construction should be, (as spoken by Judy): Even though Barry may be an old master by some standards, I am not. None of this had any relationship to why I didn't like Rick's story; that was because it portrayed people who have control over their emotions...can't have that. -- Barry Wright, old master language person, delurking just long enough to help out... :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] What to do to reclaim FFL? (was Re: On Bullshit and Crimes Against Logic)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson nelsonriddle2001@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: snip Remember that story I posted about a week ago which I entitled A Story for Judy and Barry? Neither of you commented on it. I thought it was trite and simplistic, actually, Rick, and not at all to the point. Neither Barry nor I is an +++ Does I is sound right? Some of the modern English seems to be getting out of hand. N. Good question. Barry am can't be right, though. I had originally written are, but that's not correct, because neither/nor takes a singular verb. I can't think of any way to get around Barry am or I is. Suggestions? For some reason the best one I can think of with neither - nor is Neither is Barry nor am I, but I have no idea how that wrong order of subject and predicate sounds to native speakers of English... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] What to do to reclaim FFL? (was Re: On Bullshit and Crimes Against Logic)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson nelsonriddle2001@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: snip Remember that story I posted about a week ago which I entitled A Story for Judy and Barry? Neither of you commented on it. I thought it was trite and simplistic, actually, Rick, and not at all to the point. Neither Barry nor I is an +++ Does I is sound right? Some of the modern English seems to be getting out of hand. N. Good question. Barry am can't be right, though. I had originally written are, but that's not correct, because neither/nor takes a singular verb. I can't think of any way to get around Barry am or I is. Suggestions? For some reason the best one I can think of with neither - nor is Neither is Barry nor am I, but I have no idea how that wrong order of subject and predicate sounds to native speakers of English... You probably know the formal rules of English grammar better than I do! We would never use that construction, but I couldn't possibly explain why. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] What to do to reclaim FFL? (was Re: On Bullshit and Crimes Against Logic)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson nelsonriddle2001@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: snip Remember that story I posted about a week ago which I entitled A Story for Judy and Barry? Neither of you commented on it. I thought it was trite and simplistic, actually, Rick, and not at all to the point. Neither Barry nor I is an +++ Does I is sound right? Some of the modern English seems to be getting out of hand. N. Good question. Barry am can't be right, though. I had originally written are, but that's not correct, because neither/nor takes a singular verb. I can't think of any way to get around Barry am or I is. Suggestions? [Regarding Barry and myself], neither one of us is an ...+ Clunky, and the emphasis isn't quite right in context. Here, I've got it: Barry isn't an old master, and neither am I. Actually, I just flashed on it: Neither Barry nor I is an old master IS correct: Neither is an old master. The neither takes is. Yes, neither has to take a singular verb, as I said above, but it just *sounds* peculiar. My knowledge of grammar is almost completely by ear; I had very little formal grammar training in school. My ear happens to be very good, but every now and then, even after being a professional editor for 30 years now, I run into an odd construction and get stumped because I lack that formal knowledge. If neither is the subject of the sentence, what is Barry nor I? Is it the object? If I said Neither of us, us would be the object, no? I guess with Neither Barry nor I, the of is understood--Neither of Barry nor I?? Uh... And old master is the predicate, right? I couldn't diagram a sentence if my life depended on it. Note to parents: Read to your kids!! Even if they get lousy grammar and spelling instruction in school, if you read to them constantly, and let them follow along as you read (once they're old enough), they'll pick up correct English more or less automatically. They may end up here and there with the kind of gaps I have, but that won't hold them back. If you start early enough and do it often enough--like every night before they go to bed--they'll probably be able to read before they're in first grade, without ever having been taught. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] What to do to reclaim FFL? (was Re: On Bullshit and Crimes Against Logic)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My knowledge of grammar is almost completely by ear Same here. My mom had excellent grammar, and I picked it up from her. As a result, I never learned the rules. I could talk good without them. I would say Neither Barry nor I are going to agree to that, or neither Barry nor I am inclined to agree. To me, neither/nor is treated like either/or, and verbs after or take the case of the closest noun, or whatever you call it. (Dave Barry's Mr. Language Person might call it a Nominative Predilection.) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] What to do to reclaim FFL? (was Re: On Bullshit and Crimes Against Logic)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson nelsonriddle2001@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: snip Remember that story I posted about a week ago which I entitled A Story for Judy and Barry? Neither of you commented on it. I thought it was trite and simplistic, actually, Rick, and not at all to the point. Neither Barry nor I is an +++ Does I is sound right? Some of the modern English seems to be getting out of hand. N. Good question. Barry am can't be right, though. I had originally written are, but that's not correct, because neither/nor takes a singular verb. I can't think of any way to get around Barry am or I is. Suggestions? For some reason the best one I can think of with neither - nor is Neither is Barry nor am I, but I have no idea how that wrong order of subject and predicate sounds to native speakers of English... You probably know the formal rules of English grammar better than I do! We would never use that construction, but I couldn't possibly explain why. Well, I've studied *some* general linguistics, and that's why I know that English is an SVO-language, that is, the normal word order of a declarative sentence is subject-verb-object. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] What to do to reclaim FFL? (was Re: On Bullshit and Crimes Against Logic)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson nelsonriddle2001@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: snip Remember that story I posted about a week ago which I entitled A Story for Judy and Barry? Neither of you commented on it. I thought it was trite and simplistic, actually, Rick, and not at all to the point. Neither Barry nor I is an +++ Does I is sound right? Some of the modern English seems to be getting out of hand. N. Good question. Barry am can't be right, though. I had originally written are, but that's not correct, because neither/nor takes a singular verb. I can't think of any way to get around Barry am or I is. Suggestions? For some reason the best one I can think of with neither - nor is Neither is Barry nor am I, but I have no idea how that wrong order of subject and predicate sounds to native speakers of English... You probably know the formal rules of English grammar better than I do! We would never use that construction, but I couldn't possibly explain why. Well, I've studied *some* general linguistics, and that's why I know that English is an SVO-language, that is, the normal word order of a declarative sentence is subject-verb-object. Correct you are. Impressed I am. :) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] What to do to reclaim FFL? (was Re: On Bullshit and Crimes Against Logic)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: My knowledge of grammar is almost completely by ear Same here. My mom had excellent grammar, and I picked it up from her. As a result, I never learned the rules. I could talk good without them. I would say Neither Barry nor I are going to agree to that, or neither Barry nor I am inclined to agree. To me, neither/nor is treated like either/or, and verbs after or take the case of the closest noun, or whatever you call it. Well, I went and looked it up at Random House's grammar QA page. It doesn't deal specifically with is vs. am--i.e., when there's a personal pronoun--but it does point out that neither/nor can be singular *or* plural, because while neither/nor is the negative counterpart of either/or, which always takes singular, it is *also* the negative counterpart of both/and, which always takes plural. The singular is generally preferred, however. Your observation about the case of the verb agreeing with the closest noun is also correct, but after some consideration, in this case I'd go with the both/and loophole and use the plural verb just because it doesn't sound so weird. Grammar isn't nearly so ironclad in its rules as high-school English teachers would have you believe. There's usually some wiggle room if you're faced with a choice between a rule and clarity--you just gotta know where and how big it is. (Dave Barry's Mr. Language Person might call it a Nominative Predilection.) Huh?? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] What to do to reclaim FFL? (was Re: On Bullshit and Crimes Against Logic)
on 4/12/06 11:45 AM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (Dave Barry's Mr. Language Person might call it a Nominative Predilection.) Huh?? http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/living/columnists/dave_barry/11484425.h tm To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] What to do to reclaim FFL? (was Re: On Bullshit and Crimes Against Logic)
--- Rick Archer wrote: on 4/12/06 11:45 AM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (Dave Barry's Mr. Language Person might call it a Nominative Predilection.) Huh?? http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/living/columnists/dave_barry/11484425.h tm My 12-year-old giggles audibly and continuously as she reads Dave Barry. It's as if someone's tickling her. She's turning her friends onto him, as well. Who better to consume his Booger Journalism? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] What to do to reclaim FFL? (was Re: On Bullshit and Crimes Against Logic)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam jpgillam@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: My knowledge of grammar is almost completely by ear Same here. My mom had excellent grammar, and I picked it up from her. As a result, I never learned the rules. I could talk good without them. I would say Neither Barry nor I are going to agree to that, or neither Barry nor I am inclined to agree. To me, neither/nor is treated like either/or, and verbs after or take the case of the closest noun, or whatever you call it. Well, I went and looked it up at Random House's grammar QA page. It doesn't deal specifically with is vs. am--i.e., when there's a personal pronoun--but it does point out that neither/nor can be singular *or* plural, because while neither/nor is the negative counterpart of either/or, which always takes singular, it is *also* the negative counterpart of both/and, which always takes plural. The singular is generally preferred, however. Your observation about the case of the verb agreeing with the closest noun is also correct, but after some consideration, in this case I'd go with the both/and loophole and use the plural verb just because it doesn't sound so weird. By the way, a sentence involving neither of us has neither as the subject, just as duke is the subject in a sentence with duke of earl, so you use whatever sounds/works best with neither, er, neither. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] What to do to reclaim FFL? (was Re: On Bullshit and Crimes Against Logic)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 4/12/06 11:45 AM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (Dave Barry's Mr. Language Person might call it a Nominative Predilection.) Huh?? http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/living/columnists/dave_barry/11484 425.htm I kiss the lotus feet of Dave Barry. But I'd never encountered Mr. Language Person--and me an editor! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] What to do to reclaim FFL? (was Re: On Bullshit and Crimes Against Logic)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: on 4/11/06 9:22 PM, authfriend at jstein@ wrote: Here, I've got it: Barry isn't an old master, and neither am I. Did you consult Strunk and White, or just work it out? No, it came to me in a blinding flash of inspiration. (Do my posts look like I consult Strunk and White?? Nobody's ever accused me of not using unnecessary words.) +++ Double negative-obscure meaning. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] What to do to reclaim FFL? (was Re: On Bullshit and Crimes Against Logic)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: on 4/11/06 9:22 PM, authfriend at jstein@ wrote: Here, I've got it: Barry isn't an old master, and neither am I. Did you consult Strunk and White, or just work it out? No, it came to me in a blinding flash of inspiration. (Do my posts look like I consult Strunk and White?? Nobody's ever accused me of not using unnecessary words.) +++ Double negative-obscure meaning. Heh. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] What to do to reclaim FFL? (was Re: On Bullshit and Crimes Against Logic)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson nelsonriddle2001@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson nelsonriddle2001@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: snip Remember that story I posted about a week ago which I entitled A Story for Judy and Barry? Neither of you commented on it. I thought it was trite and simplistic, actually, Rick, and not at all to the point. Neither Barry nor I is an +++ Does I is sound right? Some of the modern English seems to be getting out of hand. N. Good question. Barry am can't be right, though. I had originally written are, but that's not correct, because neither/nor takes a singular verb. I can't think of any way to get around Barry am or I is. Suggestions? +++ Maybe Barry and I are not- we are not (collective) not sure. Having failed English one year in high school and, getting remarkably poor grades in it, I have observed that some of the sentence structure I see in the news papers would get you thrown out of school altogether in the early fifties. It looks like no one ever heard of a split infinitive which is a major gripe and, I am expecting to see throw the horse over the fence some hay any day now. N. To go boldly sounds stupid compared to to boldy go. The reason why we can't split an infinitive is because Latin simply CANNOT. English CAN, and the verb is to boldly go, which has pretty much the same meaning as to go boldly or boldly to go, but is it's own verb in English. The grammarians have been wrong for what, a thousand years? That's OK, just think of it as the last gasp grasp the Roman Church has had on the English language. +++ I didn't take Latin so maybe that would explain my problem. Took French instead and got low marks in that too but can still read a little of it. Back then,an adverb had to come after the verb but in the meantime I guess they could have changed it. N. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] What to do to reclaim FFL? (was Re: On Bullshit and Crimes Against Logic)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson nelsonriddle2001@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: snip Remember that story I posted about a week ago which I entitled A Story for Judy and Barry? Neither of you commented on it. I thought it was trite and simplistic, actually, Rick, and not at all to the point. Neither Barry nor I is an +++ Does I is sound right? Some of the modern English seems to be getting out of hand. N. Good question. Barry am can't be right, though. I had originally written are, but that's not correct, because neither/nor takes a singular verb. I can't think of any way to get around Barry am or I is. Suggestions? For some reason the best one I can think of with neither - nor is Neither is Barry nor am I, but I have no idea how that wrong order of subject and predicate sounds to native speakers of English... +++ Some people, in studying english, will have a better grasp of it than a lot of the native users. We have a few on this site that are doing commendably. N. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] What to do to reclaim FFL? (was Re: On Bullshit and Crimes Against Logic)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 4/11/06 1:24 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you have any suggestions for how you can reclaim Fairfield Life, and get it back to some semblance of how it was before Judy and Lawson fucked it up, speak up. I think most people do what I do. They skip posts which they suspect are flame wars. You, Judy, and Lawson are all capable of writing things worth reading. From my perspective, you do so more than the other two, especially since you began trying to abstain from trashing Judy. I suspect that if you went back and reviewed Barry's posts since March 15 or so, you might have a different impression. He stepped up his anti-TMO/MMY/TMer rants and took to trashing Lawson instead of me, with a side trip into trashing Shemp. The proportion of flaming and destructive criticism to substance didn't change, it was just allocated differently as to targets. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] What to do to reclaim FFL? (was Re: On Bullshit and Crimes Against Logic)
on 4/11/06 10:21 AM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 4/11/06 1:24 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you have any suggestions for how you can reclaim Fairfield Life, and get it back to some semblance of how it was before Judy and Lawson fucked it up, speak up. I think most people do what I do. They skip posts which they suspect are flame wars. You, Judy, and Lawson are all capable of writing things worth reading. From my perspective, you do so more than the other two, especially since you began trying to abstain from trashing Judy. I suspect that if you went back and reviewed Barry's posts since March 15 or so, you might have a different impression. He stepped up his anti-TMO/MMY/TMer rants and took to trashing Lawson instead of me, with a side trip into trashing Shemp. The proportion of flaming and destructive criticism to substance didn't change, it was just allocated differently as to targets. I don't care what he did or what you did. It would be nice if you stopped criticizing each other, but life isn't always nice, so criticize away if it floats your boat, but keep in mind that most people skip those posts and Barry has set up a rule in his email client to automatically delete all of yours, so you're wasting your time in writing them, unless the venting is somehow therapeutic for you. If that's the case, there's no need to even post them. Just write them, feel a wave of relief, then delete them. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] What to do to reclaim FFL? (was Re: On Bullshit and Crimes Against Logic)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Remember that story I posted about a week ago which I entitled A Story for Judy and Barry? Neither of you commented on it. I thought it was trite and simplistic, actually, Rick, and not at all to the point. Neither Barry nor I is an old master, nor will reading a teaching story about an old master turn either of us into one. Plus which, the insolent youth is said only to hurl insults at the old master; there's nothing about the youth telling baldfaced lies about him. And the old master's students all make it clear they recognize that the youth's attacks have no substance. Barry routinely makes a big show of swearing off trashing me, but it's just that, a show, designed to make himself look good; it never lasts for long. And even while he's in his abstention period, he finds ways to trash me and others without referring to us by name. I don't feel the need to make such a show, nor am I into trashing for the sake of trashing. There's no reason in the world why Barry and I (and Lawson and the others he trashes) couldn't have debates about points of view on substantive grounds, but Barry is incapable of debating without also trying to trash the person he's debating with. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] What to do to reclaim FFL? (was Re: On Bullshit and Crimes Against Logic)
I agree with Rick, but equally, boards like this flourish on controversy and polemics. Barry is a born polemicist. He knows how to get a reaction. I quite enjoy the wars that break out here. I think they're fine as long as people don't take them too seriously. I notice that whenever I make a nice, noncontroversial post, it usually sinks without trace, whereas when I put on my mean hat, something gets generated. I like FFL. It's like a party that never ends (like the ones we used to go to in the sixties). You go home at night and in the morning it's all still going on. It's better than a real party, though, because, a) you don't get stuck in a corner of a room with a bore, b) you don't have to say anything if you don't want to. However, the disadvantage is that unlike at a real party, you can't make a play for the available women (no disrespect to our resident ladies, Judy, Sal and Wayback). --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 4/11/06 1:24 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you have any suggestions for how you can reclaim Fairfield Life, and get it back to some semblance of how it was before Judy and Lawson fucked it up, speak up. I think most people do what I do. They skip posts which they suspect are flame wars. You, Judy, and Lawson are all capable of writing things worth reading. From my perspective, you do so more than the other two, especially since you began trying to abstain from trashing Judy. But whenever I sense you're doing that, I hit the delete button. I have neither the time nor the interest to read that stuff, and I suspect most others would concur. Judy is also very capable of writing worthwhile posts, but in addition to her feud with you, she gets on people's nerves for being such a stickler. Lawson's only sin is his compulsion to comment on every post without snipping and usually without contributing much. So my rule with him is that if I can't read what he's said without scrolling, I delete. Remember that story I posted about a week ago which I entitled A Story for Judy and Barry? Neither of you commented on it. There's the solution. If the other person trashes you, ignore them, no matter how much or often they do it. If you can't ignore them, don't even read their posts. If you get FFL by email, set up a rule to send their posts to the trash. Out of sight, out of mind. I think all three of you have enriched FFL and I would hate to see you leave. Many wise people have said that the urge to criticize others indicates that there are aspects of ourselves we need to look at. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] What to do to reclaim FFL? (was Re: On Bullshit and Crimes Against Logic)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 4/11/06 10:21 AM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: on 4/11/06 1:24 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you have any suggestions for how you can reclaim Fairfield Life, and get it back to some semblance of how it was before Judy and Lawson fucked it up, speak up. I think most people do what I do. They skip posts which they suspect are flame wars. You, Judy, and Lawson are all capable of writing things worth reading. From my perspective, you do so more than the other two, especially since you began trying to abstain from trashing Judy. I suspect that if you went back and reviewed Barry's posts since March 15 or so, you might have a different impression. He stepped up his anti-TMO/MMY/TMer rants and took to trashing Lawson instead of me, with a side trip into trashing Shemp. The proportion of flaming and destructive criticism to substance didn't change, it was just allocated differently as to targets. I don't care what he did or what you did. I was addressing your opinion that he had written more substantive posts since he vowed to ignore me. It would be nice if you stopped criticizing each other, but life isn't always nice, so criticize away if it floats your boat, but keep in mind that most people skip those posts and Barry has set up a rule in his email client to automatically delete all of yours Uh-huh. He's done that before too. We'll see how long it lasts. , so you're wasting your time in writing them, unless the venting is somehow therapeutic for you. You seem to assume that my responses to Barry's posts are all nothing but personal attacks and venting, that I don't ever have anything substantive to say about his *ideas*. But I guess that's because you don't read them. Why should I take advice about how I should change my posting habits from someone who doesn't read what I post in the first place? If that's the case, there's no need to even post them. Just write them, feel a wave of relief, then delete them. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] What to do to reclaim FFL? (was Re: On Bullshit and Crimes Against Logic)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (no disrespect to our resident ladies, Judy, Sal and Wayback). Sure Sal is a lady? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] What to do to reclaim FFL? (was Re: On Bullshit and Crimes Against Logic)
on 4/11/06 10:54 AM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't care what he did or what you did. I was addressing your opinion that he had written more substantive posts since he vowed to ignore me. I shouldn't have opined, because I really don't care. I like harmony, but as t3rinity just stated, some get a kick out of disharmony. To each his own. , so you're wasting your time in writing them, unless the venting is somehow therapeutic for you. You seem to assume that my responses to Barry's posts are all nothing but personal attacks and venting, that I don't ever have anything substantive to say about his *ideas*. If you do, I probably miss it because the moment I suspect you're perpetuating the flame wars, I delete the post. But I guess that's because you don't read them. Why should I take advice about how I should change my posting habits from someone who doesn't read what I post in the first place? No need to take my advice. I enjoy reading what I consider to be your good stuff, but I probably miss a lot of it trying to skip the flames. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] What to do to reclaim FFL? (was Re: On Bullshit and Crimes Against Logic)
I was trying to be nice and gave her the benefit of a very large doubt. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: (no disrespect to our resident ladies, Judy, Sal and Wayback). Sure Sal is a lady? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] What to do to reclaim FFL? (was Re: On Bullshit and Crimes Against Logic)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I shouldn't have opined, because I really don't care. I like harmony, but as t3rinity just stated, some get a kick out of disharmony. To each his own. feste To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] What to do to reclaim FFL? (was Re: On Bullshit and Crimes Against Logic)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 4/11/06 10:54 AM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't care what he did or what you did. I was addressing your opinion that he had written more substantive posts since he vowed to ignore me. I shouldn't have opined, because I really don't care. I like harmony, but as t3rinity just stated, some get a kick out of disharmony. To each his own. , so you're wasting your time in writing them, unless the venting is somehow therapeutic for you. You seem to assume that my responses to Barry's posts are all nothing but personal attacks and venting, that I don't ever have anything substantive to say about his *ideas*. If you do, I probably miss it because the moment I suspect you're perpetuating the flame wars, I delete the post. So you don't learn whether your suspicions are on target. But I guess that's because you don't read them. Why should I take advice about how I should change my posting habits from someone who doesn't read what I post in the first place? No need to take my advice. I enjoy reading what I consider to be your good stuff, but I probably miss a lot of it trying to skip the flames. I very rarely flame unless I've been flamed at, Rick. That isn't the case with Barry. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] What to do to reclaim FFL? (was Re: On Bullshit and Crimes Against Logic)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] So my rule with him is that if I can't read what he's said without scrolling, I delete. Your, loss, toots. [...] I think all three of you have enriched FFL and I would hate to see you leave. When did I say I was leaving? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] What to do to reclaim FFL? (was Re: On Bullshit and Crimes Against Logic)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: but keep in mind that most people skip those posts and Barry has set up a rule in his email client to automatically delete all of yours, so you're wasting your time in writing them, unless the venting is somehow therapeutic for you. If that's the case, there's no need to even post them. Just write them, feel a wave of relief, then delete them. So if Barry posts what Judy believes is an out and out lie, she should ignore it because he's not going to read her? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] What to do to reclaim FFL? (was Re: On Bullshit and Crimes Against Logic)
on 4/11/06 11:27 AM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: but keep in mind that most people skip those posts and Barry has set up a rule in his email client to automatically delete all of yours, so you're wasting your time in writing them, unless the venting is somehow therapeutic for you. If that's the case, there's no need to even post them. Just write them, feel a wave of relief, then delete them. So if Barry posts what Judy believes is an out and out lie, she should ignore it because he's not going to read her? I suppose she can write to to set others strait, but he's not going to be reading it, or so he says. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] What to do to reclaim FFL? (was Re: On Bullshit and Crimes Against Logic)
on 4/11/06 11:24 AM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] So my rule with him is that if I can't read what he's said without scrolling, I delete. Your, loss, toots. Devastating, I'm sure. [...] I think all three of you have enriched FFL and I would hate to see you leave. When did I say I was leaving? You didn't. Barry said he would if people wanted him to. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] What to do to reclaim FFL? (was Re: On Bullshit and Crimes Against Logic)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] But I guess that's because you don't read them. Why should I take advice about how I should change my posting habits from someone who doesn't read what I post in the first place? His loss, toots... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] What to do to reclaim FFL? (was Re: On Bullshit and Crimes Against Logic)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: [...] So my rule with him is that if I can't read what he's said without scrolling, I delete. Your, loss, toots. [...] I think all three of you have enriched FFL and I would hate to see you leave. When did I say I was leaving? All three of youse [plural--Barry, Judy, Lawson] have enriched FFL and I would hate to see you [singular--Barry] leave. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] What to do to reclaim FFL? (was Re: On Bullshit and Crimes Against Logic)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 4/11/06 11:27 AM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: but keep in mind that most people skip those posts and Barry has set up a rule in his email client to automatically delete all of yours, so you're wasting your time in writing them, unless the venting is somehow therapeutic for you. If that's the case, there's no need to even post them. Just write them, feel a wave of relief, then delete them. So if Barry posts what Judy believes is an out and out lie, she should ignore it because he's not going to read her? I suppose she can write to to set others strait, but he's not going to be reading it, or so he says. I don't write *for Barry*, for goodness' sake. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] What to do to reclaim FFL? (was Re: On Bullshit and Crimes Against Logic)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: on 4/11/06 11:27 AM, sparaig at sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: but keep in mind that most people skip those posts and Barry has set up a rule in his email client to automatically delete all of yours, so you're wasting your time in writing them, unless the venting is somehow therapeutic for you. If that's the case, there's no need to even post them. Just write them, feel a wave of relief, then delete them. So if Barry posts what Judy believes is an out and out lie, she should ignore it because he's not going to read her? I suppose she can write to to set others strait, but he's not going to be reading it, or so he says. I don't write *for Barry*, for goodness' sake. (Sorry, sent that prematurely.) When Barry lies, he knows he's lying; he doesn't need me to tell him so. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] What to do to reclaim FFL? (was Re: On Bullshit and Crimes Against Logic)
On Apr 11, 2006, at 12:34 PM, authfriend wrote: I don't write *for Barry*, for goodness' sake. No, but you're writings are largely inspired by his writings. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] What to do to reclaim FFL? (was Re: On Bullshit and Crimes Against Logic)
on 4/11/06 11:36 AM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't write *for Barry*, for goodness' sake. (Sorry, sent that prematurely.) When Barry lies, he knows he's lying; he doesn't need me to tell him so. But everyone else needs to be told, for their protection or something? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] What to do to reclaim FFL? (was Re: On Bullshit and Crimes Against Logic)
On Apr 11, 2006, at 12:41 PM, Rick Archer wrote: on 4/11/06 11:36 AM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't write *for Barry*, for goodness' sake. (Sorry, sent that prematurely.) When Barry lies, he knows he's lying; he doesn't need me to tell him so. But everyone else needs to be told, for their protection or something? Judy as world-condom. Love it. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] What to do to reclaim FFL? (was Re: On Bullshit and Crimes Against Logic)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 11, 2006, at 12:41 PM, Rick Archer wrote: on 4/11/06 11:36 AM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't write *for Barry*, for goodness' sake. (Sorry, sent that prematurely.) When Barry lies, he knows he's lying; he doesn't need me to tell him so. But everyone else needs to be told, for their protection or something? Judy as world-condom. Love it. Does that make Barry a Big Dick? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] What to do to reclaim FFL? (was Re: On Bullshit and Crimes Against Logic)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 11, 2006, at 12:34 PM, authfriend wrote: I don't write *for Barry*, for goodness' sake. No, but you're writings are largely inspired by his writings. Non sequitur. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] What to do to reclaim FFL? (was Re: On Bullshit and Crimes Against Logic)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 4/11/06 11:36 AM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't write *for Barry*, for goodness' sake. (Sorry, sent that prematurely.) When Barry lies, he knows he's lying; he doesn't need me to tell him so. But everyone else needs to be told, for their protection or something? What an exceptionally strange thing to say. Substitute Bush for Barry in the above and see if it still makes sense to you. Or MMY, if that suits you better. (Yes, I'm aware that Barry, thank God, is nowhere near as powerful or influential. But if you allow yourself to be repeatedly deceived by your peers, it lowers your threshold for being deceived by people who actually *matter*.) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] What to do to reclaim FFL? (was Re: On Bullshit and Crimes Against Logic)
Actually, in this case, you're stuck with about a thousand of 'em. :) Sal On Apr 11, 2006, at 10:54 AM, feste37 wrote: It's better than a real party, though, because, a) you don't get stuck in a corner of a room with a bore
Re: [FairfieldLife] What to do to reclaim FFL? (was Re: On Bullshit and Crimes Against Logic)
Feel better now that you've said that? Whatever your opinion may be, at least I don't take cheap, third-party insults at others...for what purpose you do that, only you know. Sal On Apr 11, 2006, at 11:09 AM, feste37 wrote: I was trying to be nice and gave her the benefit of a very large doubt. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@> wrote: > > > (no > > disrespect to our resident ladies, Judy, Sal and Wayback). >
[FairfieldLife] What to do to reclaim FFL? (was Re: On Bullshit and Crimes Against Logic)
I meant this in a light-hearted way. I don't mind at all if you cast doubt on whether I am a gentleman. And by the way, you insult others all the time. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Feel better now that you've said that? Whatever your opinion may be, at least I don't take cheap, third-party insults at others...for what purpose you do that, only you know. Sal On Apr 11, 2006, at 11:09 AM, feste37 wrote: I was trying to be nice and gave her the benefit of a very large doubt. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: (no disrespect to our resident ladies, Judy, Sal and Wayback). To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] What to do to reclaim FFL? (was Re: On Bullshit and Crimes Against Logic)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: on 4/11/06 11:27 AM, sparaig at sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: but keep in mind that most people skip those posts and Barry has set up a rule in his email client to automatically delete all of yours, so you're wasting your time in writing them, unless the venting is somehow therapeutic for you. If that's the case, there's no need to even post them. Just write them, feel a wave of relief, then delete them. So if Barry posts what Judy believes is an out and out lie, she should ignore it because he's not going to read her? I suppose she can write to to set others strait, but he's not going to be reading it, or so he says. I don't write *for Barry*, for goodness' sake. I didn'tthink you did, but you usually respond directly TO Barry when you correct him. I guess you can now editorialize for the 3rd person: note how the author implies or even asserts a certain situation even though this situation doesn't actually exist... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] What to do to reclaim FFL? (was Re: On Bullshit and Crimes Against Logic)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I suppose she can write to to set others strait, but he's not going to be reading it, or so he says. I don't write *for Barry*, for goodness' sake. I didn't think you did, but you usually respond directly TO Barry when you correct him. I actually switch back and forth a lot. If I had to guess, I'd say I more often refer to him in the third person when I'm responding to his posts. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] What to do to reclaim FFL? (was Re: On Bullshit and Crimes Against Logic)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: snip I suppose she can write to to set others strait, but he's not going to be reading it, or so he says. I don't write *for Barry*, for goodness' sake. I didn't think you did, but you usually respond directly TO Barry when you correct him. I actually switch back and forth a lot. If I had to guess, I'd say I more often refer to him in the third person when I'm responding to his posts. Hmmm... I'd find that annoying myself, to be honest. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] What to do to reclaim FFL? (was Re: On Bullshit and Crimes Against Logic)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: snip I suppose she can write to to set others strait, but he's not going to be reading it, or so he says. I don't write *for Barry*, for goodness' sake. I didn't think you did, but you usually respond directly TO Barry when you correct him. I actually switch back and forth a lot. If I had to guess, I'd say I more often refer to him in the third person when I'm responding to his posts. (Today's my day to send off posts before I'm finished, apparently.) My choice of whether to address him directly or refer to him in the third person is more a matter of rhetorical tone than anything else. Sometimes one feels more forceful, sometimes the other does, depending on the context, even in the same post. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] What to do to reclaim FFL? (was Re: On Bullshit and Crimes Against Logic)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Feel better now that you've said that? Whatever your opinion may be, at least I don't take cheap, third-party insults at others...for what purpose you do that, only you know. Sal In my case I wasn't surely insulting you Sal, I just wasn't sure about your identity. That is 'Sal Sunshine' you know.. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] What to do to reclaim FFL? (was Re: On Bullshit and Crimes Against Logic)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: snip Remember that story I posted about a week ago which I entitled A Story for Judy and Barry? Neither of you commented on it. I thought it was trite and simplistic, actually, Rick, and not at all to the point. Neither Barry nor I is an +++ Does I is sound right? Some of the modern English seems to be getting out of hand. N. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] What to do to reclaim FFL? (was Re: On Bullshit and Crimes Against Logic)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: snip Remember that story I posted about a week ago which I entitled A Story for Judy and Barry? Neither of you commented on it. I thought it was trite and simplistic, actually, Rick, and not at all to the point. Neither Barry nor I is an +++ Does I is sound right? Some of the modern English seems to be getting out of hand. N. Good question. Barry am can't be right, though. I had originally written are, but that's not correct, because neither/nor takes a singular verb. I can't think of any way to get around Barry am or I is. Suggestions? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] What to do to reclaim FFL? (was Re: On Bullshit and Crimes Against Logic)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson nelsonriddle2001@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: snip Remember that story I posted about a week ago which I entitled A Story for Judy and Barry? Neither of you commented on it. I thought it was trite and simplistic, actually, Rick, and not at all to the point. Neither Barry nor I is an +++ Does I is sound right? Some of the modern English seems to be getting out of hand. N. Good question. Barry am can't be right, though. I had originally written are, but that's not correct, because neither/nor takes a singular verb. I can't think of any way to get around Barry am or I is. Suggestions? [Regarding Barry and myself], neither one of us is an ... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] What to do to reclaim FFL? (was Re: On Bullshit and Crimes Against Logic)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson nelsonriddle2001@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: snip Remember that story I posted about a week ago which I entitled A Story for Judy and Barry? Neither of you commented on it. I thought it was trite and simplistic, actually, Rick, and not at all to the point. Neither Barry nor I is an +++ Does I is sound right? Some of the modern English seems to be getting out of hand. N. Good question. Barry am can't be right, though. I had originally written are, but that's not correct, because neither/nor takes a singular verb. I can't think of any way to get around Barry am or I is. Suggestions? +++ Maybe Barry and I are not- we are not (collective) not sure. Having failed English one year in high school and, getting remarkably poor grades in it, I have observed that some of the sentence structure I see in the news papers would get you thrown out of school altogether in the early fifties. It looks like no one ever heard of a split infinitive which is a major gripe and, I am expecting to see throw the horse over the fence some hay any day now. N. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] What to do to reclaim FFL? (was Re: On Bullshit and Crimes Against Logic)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson nelsonriddle2001@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: snip Remember that story I posted about a week ago which I entitled A Story for Judy and Barry? Neither of you commented on it. I thought it was trite and simplistic, actually, Rick, and not at all to the point. Neither Barry nor I is an +++ Does I is sound right? Some of the modern English seems to be getting out of hand. N. Good question. Barry am can't be right, though. I had originally written are, but that's not correct, because neither/nor takes a singular verb. I can't think of any way to get around Barry am or I is. Suggestions? [Regarding Barry and myself], neither one of us is an ...+ Clunky, and the emphasis isn't quite right in context. Here, I've got it: Barry isn't an old master, and neither am I. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] What to do to reclaim FFL? (was Re: On Bullshit and Crimes Against Logic)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson nelsonriddle2001@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: snip Remember that story I posted about a week ago which I entitled A Story for Judy and Barry? Neither of you commented on it. I thought it was trite and simplistic, actually, Rick, and not at all to the point. Neither Barry nor I is an +++ Does I is sound right? Some of the modern English seems to be getting out of hand. N. Good question. Barry am can't be right, though. I had originally written are, but that's not correct, because neither/nor takes a singular verb. I can't think of any way to get around Barry am or I is. Suggestions? +++ Maybe Barry and I are not- we are not (collective) not sure. That wouldn't work in context. Having failed English one year in high school and, getting remarkably poor grades in it, I have observed that some of the sentence structure I see in the news papers would get you thrown out of school altogether in the early fifties. It looks like no one ever heard of a split infinitive which is a major gripe Oh, gee, drop that gripe. It's based on Latin verbs, not English ones. It's better not to *unnecessarily* split infinitives (i.e., as I just did), but there are plenty of occasions when it makes no sense not to. and, I am expecting to see throw the horse over the fence some hay any day now. N. That's Pennsylvania Dutch dialect, akin to the Yiddish- derived Throw Mama from the train a kiss. But I agree with you--the state of written (and spoken) English is deteriorating rapidly. (I can't figure out whether that enhances my job security, or threatens it-- I'm a freelance editor.) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] What to do to reclaim FFL? (was Re: On Bullshit and Crimes Against Logic)
on 4/11/06 9:22 PM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here, I've got it: Barry isn't an old master, and neither am I. Did you consult Strunk and White, or just work it out? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] What to do to reclaim FFL? (was Re: On Bullshit and Crimes Against Logic)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 4/11/06 9:22 PM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here, I've got it: Barry isn't an old master, and neither am I. Did you consult Strunk and White, or just work it out? No, it came to me in a blinding flash of inspiration. (Do my posts look like I consult Strunk and White?? Nobody's ever accused me of not using unnecessary words.) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] What to do to reclaim FFL? (was Re: On Bullshit and Crimes Against Logic)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson nelsonriddle2001@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: snip Remember that story I posted about a week ago which I entitled A Story for Judy and Barry? Neither of you commented on it. I thought it was trite and simplistic, actually, Rick, and not at all to the point. Neither Barry nor I is an +++ Does I is sound right? Some of the modern English seems to be getting out of hand. N. Good question. Barry am can't be right, though. I had originally written are, but that's not correct, because neither/nor takes a singular verb. I can't think of any way to get around Barry am or I is. Suggestions? ..Barry nor I am sounds slightly better since the I am construction by itself is correct. I think that in casual speech, we use ...Barry nor I're without thinking about it. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] What to do to reclaim FFL? (was Re: On Bullshit and Crimes Against Logic)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson nelsonriddle2001@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: snip Remember that story I posted about a week ago which I entitled A Story for Judy and Barry? Neither of you commented on it. I thought it was trite and simplistic, actually, Rick, and not at all to the point. Neither Barry nor I is an +++ Does I is sound right? Some of the modern English seems to be getting out of hand. N. Good question. Barry am can't be right, though. I had originally written are, but that's not correct, because neither/nor takes a singular verb. I can't think of any way to get around Barry am or I is. Suggestions? +++ Maybe Barry and I are not- we are not (collective) not sure. Having failed English one year in high school and, getting remarkably poor grades in it, I have observed that some of the sentence structure I see in the news papers would get you thrown out of school altogether in the early fifties. It looks like no one ever heard of a split infinitive which is a major gripe and, I am expecting to see throw the horse over the fence some hay any day now. N. To go boldly sounds stupid compared to to boldy go. The reason why we can't split an infinitive is because Latin simply CANNOT. English CAN, and the verb is to boldly go, which has pretty much the same meaning as to go boldly or boldly to go, but is it's own verb in English. The grammarians have been wrong for what, a thousand years? That's OK, just think of it as the last gasp grasp the Roman Church has had on the English language. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] What to do to reclaim FFL? (was Re: On Bullshit and Crimes Against Logic)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson nelsonriddle2001@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: snip Remember that story I posted about a week ago which I entitled A Story for Judy and Barry? Neither of you commented on it. I thought it was trite and simplistic, actually, Rick, and not at all to the point. Neither Barry nor I is an +++ Does I is sound right? Some of the modern English seems to be getting out of hand. N. Good question. Barry am can't be right, though. I had originally written are, but that's not correct, because neither/nor takes a singular verb. I can't think of any way to get around Barry am or I is. Suggestions? [Regarding Barry and myself], neither one of us is an ...+ Clunky, and the emphasis isn't quite right in context. Here, I've got it: Barry isn't an old master, and neither am I. Actually, I just flashed on it: Neither Barry nor I is an old master IS correct: Neither is an old master. The neither takes is. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
