Re: Enlightened householders [was Re: [FairfieldLife] Most Absurd Rumor]

2014-11-20 Thread fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Yes, just like that. Good example is Barry's naked and raw envy of my 
enlightened state. He is at no loss for insults and even screaming in print, 
about it. He doesn't realize the insights that enlightenment brings to oneself, 
and would never be able to continue his isolated and nasty existence, along 
with the deep silence of Being, that accompanies all states of enlightenment. 
He wants something that he really can't handle, and doesn't know it. It is 
truly a case of not wanting someone else to have something he cannot 
accomplish. A sad and frustrating place to be. As they say, it sucks to be 
him.:-)
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :

 I never understood envy - what a useless emotion. Envy must be nature's way of 
saying, Get off your butt, and Do Something.
 

 I think you are absolutely right. Envy could lead to positive action. On the 
other hand, envy seems to stem from a kind of sense of entitlement. Envy does 
not take in the complexity of why or how someone has, owns or is what they do, 
it only seems to originate from the fact that someone wants, free, that as 
well. I have stopped envying anyone because you never know what things really 
cost or what someone's reality really is. Something seen from the outside is 
just the shell of the thing a lot of the time.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :

 Yep. Seems like the idea of average people like me walking around enlightened, 
with the ability to act in a spontaneous way, is frightening to some. Must be 
an ego thing.
 

 I think it's lack of vision and, yes, envy. 
 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :

 So, there has never been a model, of how an enlightened person acts, as a 
householder. Maharishi brought out a lot of elements regarding diet, 
architecture, health, and even fashion (saris and crowns, robes and cream 
colored suits) that although provocative, and even quietly revolutionary, will 
only be adopted by a tiny minority. The trick is to weave an enlightened life 
within our own culture, and culture in the West favors the individual, so we 
are back to square one. :-)
 

 This is what I don't get, the idea that some people have that you can know who 
is enlightened and who isn't. The fact that they can have this ingrained set 
of ideas of how enlightened people act is quite hilarious. I mean, on what are 
these ideas based? Where did they come from? It seems like if enlightened 
people were to follow the 'guidelines' of what some here seem to think 
enlightenment means you'd be the most boring person on the planet. Perhaps 
their ideas are along the lines of acting like some bookish saint, doing plenty 
of volunteer time at your local food kitchen and ASPCA, donating a few organs 
and baking pies and casseroles for the neighborhood after having built your 
neighbor's barn and knitted a slew of sweaters for the needy. I say most have 
very old fashioned and limited views on this enlightenment business. What, an 
enlightened person can show anger or impatience? Pish posh.
 
 








 


 











 


 





































Enlightened householders [was Re: [FairfieldLife] Most Absurd Rumor]

2014-11-19 Thread fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
So, there has never been a model, of how an enlightened person acts, as a 
householder. Maharishi brought out a lot of elements regarding diet, 
architecture, health, and even fashion (saris and crowns, robes and cream 
colored suits) that although provocative, and even quietly revolutionary, will 
only be adopted by a tiny minority. The trick is to weave an enlightened life 
within our own culture, and culture in the West favors the individual, so we 
are back to square one. :-) 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :

 Barry, The Cave Boy from Leiden, raised by wolves, was the first image that 
came up - lol 

 seriously, people get locked into all the past pictures of enlightened 
teachers, and even Maharishi was not exactly a slacks and polo type of guy. And 
the religions have fucked up the image for good, insisting that solely doing 
good works (according to them), keeping in line, reading surface prayers, and 
mouthing platitudes about helping the poor and being nice, will lead to our 
salvation. So it is a lot of context for us to overcome, to truly gain our 
freedom, our inner silence, and continue to be ourselves - even though that is 
the simple end result of enlightenment - fully being ourselves. 
 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

 that is funny Jim.  a very simple, yet relevant observation. 

 yes, Barry has embarked on the path that has enlightenment as it's conclusion, 
but just can't handle that someone may have reached the goal.
 

 maybe along the lines, if I can't have it, no one can.
 

 really, a childish attitude, indicating one might be stuck in a early stage of 
development.
 

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :

 'I think it's unfortunate that a person can spend hour after hour, day after 
day, year after year, dedicating his life to enlightenment, and yet the very 
notion that anybody attains enlightenment is a taboo. We're all going after 
this; but God forbid somebody says they've realized it. We don't believe them, 
we're cynical, we have doubt; we go immediately into a semi- (or overt) attack 
mode. To me, it highlights the fact that people are chasing an awakening they 
don't believe could happen to them. That's a barrier, and the biggest one... 

 An excellent insight. I enjoy Adyashanti's clarity. He also comes from a town 
in the Bay Area that I am very familiar with, so it gives me an insight into 
his temperament.
 

 This is exactly why I talk about enlightenment - It is possible, and even 
likely, to realize enlightenment, using the TM and TMSP techniques, and not 
just by saintly folks, but by ordinary schlubs, like me!  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote :

 The Zen trained Adyashanti had this to say about 'enlightenment success': 

 'When I looked around at the Buddhist tradition, I realized that the success 
rate was terrible. People were in it for enlightenment, but very few were 
actually getting enlightened. If this were a business, I thought, we'd be 
bankrupt.'
 

 'I think it's unfortunate that a person can spend hour after hour, day after 
day, year after year, dedicating his life to enlightenment, and yet the very 
notion that anybody attains enlightenment is a taboo. We're all going after 
this; but God forbid somebody says they've realized it. We don't believe them, 
we're cynical, we have doubt; we go immediately into a semi- (or overt) attack 
mode. To me, it highlights the fact that people are chasing an awakening they 
don't believe could happen to them. That's a barrier, and the biggest one... 
And when people have breakthroughs and talk about them in public, awakening 
loses its mystique. Everyone else can see that it's not just special people who 
have deep awakenings, it's their neighbor or their best friend.'
 

 The TMO seemed to do pretty well for a while selling something nobody seems to 
have found. Perhaps one reason for this is the ideas we have in our heads about 
what enlightenment is supposed to be. The usual ideas about what enlightenment 
is, are something out of a comic book, something fantastical. Maybe it is 
something not quite so interesting to talk about, something so familiar that 
you discount it entirely.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

 MJ, speak for yourself! I was never chasing enlightenment. I simply wanted to 
fulfill my desires.
 

 From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2014 1:29 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Most Absurd Rumor
 
 
   
 And yet from the very beginning of the Movement till about the 1980's 
enlightenment was what we were all chasing and what Marshy emphasized over and 
over. Till it became obvious that no one was getting enlightened even with the 
10,000 times more powerful than TM TMSP program so he 

Re: Enlightened householders [was Re: [FairfieldLife] Most Absurd Rumor]

2014-11-19 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :

 So, there has never been a model, of how an enlightened person acts, as a 
householder. Maharishi brought out a lot of elements regarding diet, 
architecture, health, and even fashion (saris and crowns, robes and cream 
colored suits) that although provocative, and even quietly revolutionary, will 
only be adopted by a tiny minority. The trick is to weave an enlightened life 
within our own culture, and culture in the West favors the individual, so we 
are back to square one. :-)
 

 This is what I don't get, the idea that some people have that you can know who 
is enlightened and who isn't. The fact that they can have this ingrained set 
of ideas of how enlightened people act is quite hilarious. I mean, on what are 
these ideas based? Where did they come from? It seems like if enlightened 
people were to follow the 'guidelines' of what some here seem to think 
enlightenment means you'd be the most boring person on the planet. Perhaps 
their ideas are along the lines of acting like some bookish saint, doing plenty 
of volunteer time at your local food kitchen and ASPCA, donating a few organs 
and baking pies and casseroles for the neighborhood after having built your 
neighbor's barn and knitted a slew of sweaters for the needy. I say most have 
very old fashioned and limited views on this enlightenment business. What, an 
enlightened person can show anger or impatience? Pish posh.
 
 








 


 











 


 


























Re: Enlightened householders [was Re: [FairfieldLife] Most Absurd Rumor]

2014-11-19 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :

 So, there has never been a model, of how an enlightened person acts, as a 
householder. Maharishi brought out a lot of elements regarding diet, 
architecture, health, and even fashion (saris and crowns, robes and cream 
colored suits) that although provocative, and even quietly revolutionary, will 
only be adopted by a tiny minority. The trick is to weave an enlightened life 
within our own culture, and culture in the West favors the individual, so we 
are back to square one. :-)
 

 This is what I don't get, the idea that some people have that you can know who 
is enlightened and who isn't. The fact that they can have this ingrained set 
of ideas of how enlightened people act is quite hilarious. I mean, on what are 
these ideas based? Where did they come from? It seems like if enlightened 
people were to follow the 'guidelines' of what some here seem to think 
enlightenment means you'd be the most boring person on the planet. Perhaps 
their ideas are along the lines of acting like some bookish saint, doing plenty 
of volunteer time at your local food kitchen and ASPCA, donating a few organs 
and baking pies and casseroles for the neighborhood after having built your 
neighbor's barn and knitted a slew of sweaters for the needy. I say most have 
very old fashioned and limited views on this enlightenment business. What, an 
enlightened person can (correction: can't) show anger or impatience? Pish 
posh.
 
 








 


 











 


 




























Re: Enlightened householders [was Re: [FairfieldLife] Most Absurd Rumor]

2014-11-19 Thread fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Yep. Seems like the idea of average people like me walking around enlightened, 
with the ability to act in a spontaneous way, is frightening to some. Must be 
an ego thing. 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :

 So, there has never been a model, of how an enlightened person acts, as a 
householder. Maharishi brought out a lot of elements regarding diet, 
architecture, health, and even fashion (saris and crowns, robes and cream 
colored suits) that although provocative, and even quietly revolutionary, will 
only be adopted by a tiny minority. The trick is to weave an enlightened life 
within our own culture, and culture in the West favors the individual, so we 
are back to square one. :-)
 

 This is what I don't get, the idea that some people have that you can know who 
is enlightened and who isn't. The fact that they can have this ingrained set 
of ideas of how enlightened people act is quite hilarious. I mean, on what are 
these ideas based? Where did they come from? It seems like if enlightened 
people were to follow the 'guidelines' of what some here seem to think 
enlightenment means you'd be the most boring person on the planet. Perhaps 
their ideas are along the lines of acting like some bookish saint, doing plenty 
of volunteer time at your local food kitchen and ASPCA, donating a few organs 
and baking pies and casseroles for the neighborhood after having built your 
neighbor's barn and knitted a slew of sweaters for the needy. I say most have 
very old fashioned and limited views on this enlightenment business. What, an 
enlightened person can show anger or impatience? Pish posh.
 
 








 


 











 


 





























Re: Enlightened householders [was Re: [FairfieldLife] Most Absurd Rumor]

2014-11-19 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :

 Yep. Seems like the idea of average people like me walking around enlightened, 
with the ability to act in a spontaneous way, is frightening to some. Must be 
an ego thing.
 

 I think it's lack of vision and, yes, envy. 
 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :

 So, there has never been a model, of how an enlightened person acts, as a 
householder. Maharishi brought out a lot of elements regarding diet, 
architecture, health, and even fashion (saris and crowns, robes and cream 
colored suits) that although provocative, and even quietly revolutionary, will 
only be adopted by a tiny minority. The trick is to weave an enlightened life 
within our own culture, and culture in the West favors the individual, so we 
are back to square one. :-)
 

 This is what I don't get, the idea that some people have that you can know who 
is enlightened and who isn't. The fact that they can have this ingrained set 
of ideas of how enlightened people act is quite hilarious. I mean, on what are 
these ideas based? Where did they come from? It seems like if enlightened 
people were to follow the 'guidelines' of what some here seem to think 
enlightenment means you'd be the most boring person on the planet. Perhaps 
their ideas are along the lines of acting like some bookish saint, doing plenty 
of volunteer time at your local food kitchen and ASPCA, donating a few organs 
and baking pies and casseroles for the neighborhood after having built your 
neighbor's barn and knitted a slew of sweaters for the needy. I say most have 
very old fashioned and limited views on this enlightenment business. What, an 
enlightened person can show anger or impatience? Pish posh.
 
 








 


 











 


 































Re: Enlightened householders [was Re: [FairfieldLife] Most Absurd Rumor]

2014-11-19 Thread fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
I never understood envy - what a useless emotion. Envy must be nature's way of 
saying, Get off your butt, and Do Something.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :

 Yep. Seems like the idea of average people like me walking around enlightened, 
with the ability to act in a spontaneous way, is frightening to some. Must be 
an ego thing.
 

 I think it's lack of vision and, yes, envy. 
 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :

 So, there has never been a model, of how an enlightened person acts, as a 
householder. Maharishi brought out a lot of elements regarding diet, 
architecture, health, and even fashion (saris and crowns, robes and cream 
colored suits) that although provocative, and even quietly revolutionary, will 
only be adopted by a tiny minority. The trick is to weave an enlightened life 
within our own culture, and culture in the West favors the individual, so we 
are back to square one. :-)
 

 This is what I don't get, the idea that some people have that you can know who 
is enlightened and who isn't. The fact that they can have this ingrained set 
of ideas of how enlightened people act is quite hilarious. I mean, on what are 
these ideas based? Where did they come from? It seems like if enlightened 
people were to follow the 'guidelines' of what some here seem to think 
enlightenment means you'd be the most boring person on the planet. Perhaps 
their ideas are along the lines of acting like some bookish saint, doing plenty 
of volunteer time at your local food kitchen and ASPCA, donating a few organs 
and baking pies and casseroles for the neighborhood after having built your 
neighbor's barn and knitted a slew of sweaters for the needy. I say most have 
very old fashioned and limited views on this enlightenment business. What, an 
enlightened person can show anger or impatience? Pish posh.
 
 








 


 











 


 

































Re: Enlightened householders [was Re: [FairfieldLife] Most Absurd Rumor]

2014-11-19 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :

 I never understood envy - what a useless emotion. Envy must be nature's way of 
saying, Get off your butt, and Do Something.
 

 I think you are absolutely right. Envy could lead to positive action. On the 
other hand, envy seems to stem from a kind of sense of entitlement. Envy does 
not take in the complexity of why or how someone has, owns or is what they do, 
it only seems to originate from the fact that someone wants, free, that as 
well. I have stopped envying anyone because you never know what things really 
cost or what someone's reality really is. Something seen from the outside is 
just the shell of the thing a lot of the time.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :

 Yep. Seems like the idea of average people like me walking around enlightened, 
with the ability to act in a spontaneous way, is frightening to some. Must be 
an ego thing.
 

 I think it's lack of vision and, yes, envy. 
 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :

 So, there has never been a model, of how an enlightened person acts, as a 
householder. Maharishi brought out a lot of elements regarding diet, 
architecture, health, and even fashion (saris and crowns, robes and cream 
colored suits) that although provocative, and even quietly revolutionary, will 
only be adopted by a tiny minority. The trick is to weave an enlightened life 
within our own culture, and culture in the West favors the individual, so we 
are back to square one. :-)
 

 This is what I don't get, the idea that some people have that you can know who 
is enlightened and who isn't. The fact that they can have this ingrained set 
of ideas of how enlightened people act is quite hilarious. I mean, on what are 
these ideas based? Where did they come from? It seems like if enlightened 
people were to follow the 'guidelines' of what some here seem to think 
enlightenment means you'd be the most boring person on the planet. Perhaps 
their ideas are along the lines of acting like some bookish saint, doing plenty 
of volunteer time at your local food kitchen and ASPCA, donating a few organs 
and baking pies and casseroles for the neighborhood after having built your 
neighbor's barn and knitted a slew of sweaters for the needy. I say most have 
very old fashioned and limited views on this enlightenment business. What, an 
enlightened person can show anger or impatience? Pish posh.
 
 








 


 











 


 



































Re: Enlightened householders [was Re: [FairfieldLife] Most Absurd Rumor]

2014-11-19 Thread s3raph...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Re ENVY: 

 Yes, I've always regarded it as an odd vice! It's really wishing that you 
weren't who in fact you are. I mean, I can idly fantasize about being a 
Wimbledon champion but as I'm not fit, I have minimal will power and couldn't 
be arsed to train every day, I've clearly never been Wimbledon material. So for 
me to be envious of someone who is a tennis star would be a very superficial 
and ridiculous reaction. Your remark about what someone else's reality really 
is hits the nail on the head. You have to start from where you are and either 
settle for it or up your game.
 

 The odd thing is that as we live in such a celebrity obsessed age our views 
are clearly not those of the majority.
 

 

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :

 I never understood envy - what a useless emotion. Envy must be nature's way of 
saying, Get off your butt, and Do Something.
 

 I think you are absolutely right. Envy could lead to positive action. On the 
other hand, envy seems to stem from a kind of sense of entitlement. Envy does 
not take in the complexity of why or how someone has, owns or is what they do, 
it only seems to originate from the fact that someone wants, free, that as 
well. I have stopped envying anyone because you never know what things really 
cost or what someone's reality really is. Something seen from the outside is 
just the shell of the thing a lot of the time.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :

 Yep. Seems like the idea of average people like me walking around enlightened, 
with the ability to act in a spontaneous way, is frightening to some. Must be 
an ego thing.
 

 I think it's lack of vision and, yes, envy. 
 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :

 So, there has never been a model, of how an enlightened person acts, as a 
householder. Maharishi brought out a lot of elements regarding diet, 
architecture, health, and even fashion (saris and crowns, robes and cream 
colored suits) that although provocative, and even quietly revolutionary, will 
only be adopted by a tiny minority. The trick is to weave an enlightened life 
within our own culture, and culture in the West favors the individual, so we 
are back to square one. :-)
 

 This is what I don't get, the idea that some people have that you can know who 
is enlightened and who isn't. The fact that they can have this ingrained set 
of ideas of how enlightened people act is quite hilarious. I mean, on what are 
these ideas based? Where did they come from? It seems like if enlightened 
people were to follow the 'guidelines' of what some here seem to think 
enlightenment means you'd be the most boring person on the planet. Perhaps 
their ideas are along the lines of acting like some bookish saint, doing plenty 
of volunteer time at your local food kitchen and ASPCA, donating a few organs 
and baking pies and casseroles for the neighborhood after having built your 
neighbor's barn and knitted a slew of sweaters for the needy. I say most have 
very old fashioned and limited views on this enlightenment business. What, an 
enlightened person can show anger or impatience? Pish posh.