Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment

2005-11-02 Thread Vaj
On Nov 2, 2005, at 1:17 AM, sparaig wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 1, 2005, at 3:38 PM, brahmachari108 wrote: Notions of CC, GC, UC are inventions of Mahesh Yogi. Where in Veda are these mentioned? What is above or below in the state of Turiya?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment

2005-11-01 Thread Vaj
On Nov 1, 2005, at 3:38 PM, brahmachari108 wrote: Notions of CC, GC, UC are inventions of Mahesh Yogi. Where in Veda are these mentioned? What is above or below in the state of Turiya? CC = samkhya and yoga GC = mimamsa and Vaishnava devotionalism. UC = Badarayana sutras and numerous other

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment..

2005-11-01 Thread Vaj
On Nov 1, 2005, at 3:55 PM, brahmachari108 wrote: Reading your words and most others on their proclamations betrays the level of so called enlightenment. Do you think that if someone were truly enlightened, he would feel the need to tell others? What other exists in enlightenment? If

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment..

2005-11-01 Thread Peter
--- brahmachari108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Reading your words and most others on their proclamations betrays the level of so called enlightenment. Do you think that if someone were truly enlightened, he would feel the need to tell others? What other exists in enlightenment? If

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment..

2005-11-01 Thread Vaj
On Nov 1, 2005, at 5:34 PM, Peter wrote: --- brahmachari108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Reading your words and most others on their proclamations betrays the level of so called enlightenment. Do you think that if someone were truly enlightened, he would feel the need to tell

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment

2005-10-15 Thread Vaj
On Oct 15, 2005, at 9:39 AM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 14, 2005, at 3:38 PM, authfriend wrote: The Patanjali sutras are yoga/samkhya darshana Judy and what is the result of yoga darshana Judy? I'll give you a hint, it

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment

2005-10-15 Thread Rick Archer
on 10/15/05 10:54 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe I'm wrong, or maybe none ofthem are attempting to beat the world record. The olympic level athletes reportedly have at least short-term health problems after the run. This topic has morphed. It would be good to change the

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment

2005-10-14 Thread Paula Youmans
Hi Akasha, First, many here and elsewhere have so many understandings of the term, use of such a label, in contrast to direct descriptors of an experience, has little communicative value IMO. I know lol. I hear that word used so much, and I swear .I dont know what it means lol.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment

2005-10-14 Thread Vaj
On Oct 13, 2005, at 11:20 PM, sparaig wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "peterklutz" [EMAIL PROTECTED]  wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" [EMAIL PROTECTED]  wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "peterklutz"  [EMAIL PROTECTED]  wrote: --- In

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment

2005-10-14 Thread Vaj
On Oct 14, 2005, at 3:07 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:On the other hand, I disagree completely with levitation being any measure of one's state of consciousness.  It's  just a skill.  You can either do it or you can't.  It don't say bupkus about your state of consciousness.   If it was then you'd have

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment

2005-10-14 Thread Peter
--- TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Haven't you ever considered the possibility that Maharishi just said that to get people

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment

2005-10-14 Thread Peter
--- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip The kind of levitation/floating that MMY claims to be referring to is the kind that you can photograph and perform before a skeptical audience. But this has never happened, right? So why not talk about the man in the moon?

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment

2005-10-14 Thread Paula Youmans
So, when we stop living the surrealistic reality of our assumed limitations, and become free, we are said to then be 'enlightened'. But it is merely relative to what our past experience has been. Hi Jim thanks for your reply. I was thinking about that line you wrote above

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment

2005-10-14 Thread Paula Youmans
Objectively? I belive MMY says that levitation is proof of samadhi. I suppose this means that if a person who is a known TMSP-practitioner repeatedly can take-off, hoover and settle down in a controlled manner, chances are this person is CC or above. Im thinking if what has

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment

2005-10-14 Thread Peter
--- TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip The kind of levitation/floating that MMY claims to be referring to is the kind that you can photograph and perform

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment

2005-10-14 Thread Vaj
On Oct 14, 2005, at 1:09 PM, peterklutz wrote:I think serious seekers in the TMO are far closer to E than they might realize, the reason being the fact that they live in a world (until this summer) controlled by Kali. Didn't M. say the opposite, that people would be surprised (at how advanced

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment

2005-10-13 Thread Peter
--- authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip As a kid, maybe starting at 8 or 10, I had a repeated inquiry -- I was a curious sort of kid (as in inquisitive and odd). I kept looking at the sky and visualizing

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment

2005-10-13 Thread Peter
--- TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When I was around 9 or 10 my best friend and I used to play this game. We would sit quietly and begin to negate our experience piece by piece. We'd alternate saying

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment

2005-10-13 Thread Vaj
On Oct 12, 2005, at 9:43 PM, akasha_108 wrote:Does the switching experience I described correspond to any types of "standard" transmissions that you are aware of?Anything's possible but nothing specific I could add. Does the clothng I described, white cloak, hood, dark bue symbol laden

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment

2005-10-13 Thread Vaj
On Oct 13, 2005, at 9:44 AM, Irmeli Mattsson wrote:It puzzles me also, why people, when they stop identifying the 'I'  with an image of one's personal self, say there is no 'I' anymore. The `I' is the subject, who feels, sees, interprets and evaluates  situations, makes meaning, uses concepts

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment

2005-10-13 Thread Peter
--- Irmeli Mattsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip It puzzles me also, why people, when they stop identifying the 'I' with an image of one's personal self, say there is no 'I' anymore. Because no I or psychological sense of me is present. It can't be found. When people (in avidya)

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment

2005-10-13 Thread Peter
--- Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 13, 2005, at 9:44 AM, Irmeli Mattsson wrote: It puzzles me also, why people, when they stop identifying the 'I' with an image of one's personal self, say there is no 'I' anymore. The `I' is the subject, who feels, sees, interprets and

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment

2005-10-13 Thread Peter
--- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tom T: I have two friends who are Enlightened Spare egg writes: And you know this because? Tom T: Takes one to know one. and as Rick

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment

2005-10-13 Thread Peter
--- jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Full awareness, but no I to lay claim to be doing anything. There is nobody home, but all the lights are on and everything is working just fine. That sense of I is just

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment

2005-10-13 Thread Paula Youmans
I told Tom he was enlightened and he told me that I was enlightened, so there. Hahahave you ever had someone tell you that you had reached enlightenment? Its a lot like someone informing you of a past life you dont remember; or getting the gas bill: Okeedoke, Ill take your

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment

2005-10-13 Thread Peter
--- jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why would one imagine they are an ostrich if they are not? Yeah- it does get a little hypothetical. I guess you'd have to ask the ostrich... I could pretend I was

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment

2005-10-13 Thread Paula Youmans
To be like Shiva. He does it all the time. Plus Ostriches are cool, and by cool I mean totally sweet! Fast as hell they are. Swsh :-D To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment

2005-10-13 Thread Paula Youmans
Yikes, not at all. And if I did, asking would hardly help me (as I was stating). I ask because people speak of enlightenment as if they know what it is and have never been able to find out. So to answer your questions I want to know you couldnt pay me to take such a

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment

2005-10-12 Thread Paula Youmans
Irmeli wrote: People can get enlightened without these inner structures. Then they tend to think they are fully perfect as they are and also superior beings. They desperately need their enlightenment to be seen, and themselves to be seen as superior, because that is their personality

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment

2005-10-12 Thread Vaj
On Oct 12, 2005, at 6:22 AM, Irmeli Mattsson wrote:When we  discuss enlightenment the concepts we use tend to be quite confusing, because different individuals mean different things by those concepts. Interesting thing I've noticed is that of those of us who were weaned on the "7 states of

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment

2005-10-12 Thread Peter
Hi Paula and welcome to our tough neighborhood! Can you talk about your experiences directly? You seem to have experienced a degree of ego loss, one of the points of enlightenment discussed here quite often. Do you have an ego now, or is there only no thing when mind tries to reference an I? ---

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment

2005-10-12 Thread Paula Youmans
that enlightenment is not only being able to bridge into the heavens.but being able to go AND come back at will. I liked that Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment Hi Paula and welcome to our tough neighborhood! Can you talk about your experiences directly? You seem

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment

2005-10-12 Thread Peter
at will. I liked that. _ Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment Hi Paula and welcome to our tough neighborhood! Can you talk about your experiences directly? You seem to have experienced a degree of ego loss, one of the points

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment

2005-10-12 Thread Rick Archer
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment on 10/12/05 8:06 AM, Paula Youmans at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello I am very new on this list, but wanted to respond to this last bit. I am one of those people who somehow managed to experience things in reverse order

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment

2005-10-12 Thread Vaj
On Oct 12, 2005, at 2:10 PM, akasha_108 wrote: Better yet would be a two dimensional scale, like an xy graph. It helps dispose of the linearity and alleged necessary sequence of "happenings".  For example, various peoples experience could be plotted on two characteristics of the "the

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment

2005-10-12 Thread Vaj
On Oct 12, 2005, at 2:10 PM, akasha_108 wrote:Enlightenment, connates, to me at least, an endpoint.Hmmm. Never got that., although unimpeded omniscience might seem that way.clip The proposed model views the mapping of points in the multi-dimensional space as milestones or simple current

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment

2005-10-12 Thread Peter
--- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 10/12/05 8:06 AM, Paula Youmans at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello ­ I am very new on this list, but wanted to respond to this last bit. I am one of those people who somehow managed to experience things in reverse order. Strangely, it had

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment

2005-10-12 Thread Paula Youmans
Thank you for the suggested reading!  I have not read this yet but I will J I too was raised Christian (Catholic actually) . You would not believe how incredibly fast I had to dump out my belief system just to get by I look forward to reading this stuff! Oh, btwpeople mentioned

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment

2005-10-12 Thread Paula Youmans
Ive been slapped sillya few times lol. The ego loss was just the tip of the iceberg. Getting rather used to it by nowand each journey has gotten easier. I feel like through meditation that I have gained some control, but I have far to go. I dont mind one bitId rather be on the ride

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment

2005-10-12 Thread Vaj
On Oct 12, 2005, at 4:02 PM, akasha_108 wrote: Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 12, 2005, at 2:10 PM, akasha_108 wrote: Enlightenment, connates, to me at least, an endpoint. Hmmm. Never got that., although unimpeded omniscience might seem that way. Well it you may have a

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment

2005-10-12 Thread Vaj
On Oct 12, 2005, at 8:45 PM, akasha_108 wrote: Or thinking where does space end? Or what was there before the universe wa[s] created. Yes. I had the precise same thought processes. Frustrating as a 7 year old with no one who could answer and adults increasingly projecting weirdness.

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment

2005-10-12 Thread Paula Youmans
Hi again Akasha lol This reminded me that I used to get really obsessed with the idea that there couldnt be a beginning because something would have to be in order to begin anyway. It drove me nuts. Still does. CrapI shouldnt have even brought it up. Ugh. Or thinking where

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment

2005-10-12 Thread Paula Youmans
Or maybe it was me in the past, transmitting to my future self, in California, 1960. Ha ha, now thats funny. Then it was both Me and me. * I wouldnt be surprised in the least J To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: