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Nope, Doc, I figured you were on turq's list. It was Richard I hadn't guessed. From: "doctordumb...@rocketmail.com" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 9:52 PM Subject: RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Post Count Sat 28-Sep-13 00:15:03 UTC The 5th poster was me, Share. I sent Barry a post, given his penchant for finding situations that make him unhappy, that I wouldn't be surprised if he visited subway stations at random, just for the delicious indignity of being jostled, shoved, and having hot liquids spilled on him. For some reason, he didn't find it funny, as it was my only comment at the time, regarding his latest "shit fit". But he obviously remembered it.:-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: I guess you didn't read my initial response to Barry, Share, in which I listed the five people. They were five of the top six posters, minus Barry, who was the fourth top poster. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: turq, basically you're saying that you don't enjoy my posts and therefore I should stop posting so much! It's lunacy! If I were standing there with a gun to your head, yes, you'd have a point. Otherwise I don't see how you are being subjected to, forced, dominated by anyone to do wading or anything else with regards to the FFL posts. I just don't get it. Also I don't know who the 5th person is! From: turquoiseb To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 2:58 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Post Count Sat 28-Sep-13 00:15:03 UTC Followup. Since I made this post, the same 5 people whom I characterized as having nothing interesting to say and as being so out of control that they flood the forum with their garbage have followed up on my *single* post with a total of *fifteen* posts. In not one of them did any of them offer to cut down on their inane post-flooding. In fact, they attempted to "shoot the messenger" and avoid any responsibility for their own actions. I'd say that they made my point about trying to "dominate" the forum for me. The bottom line on this is clear -- these five posters "contributed" only slightly less that HALF THE TOTAL POSTS MADE LAST WEEK. And they'll do it again this week, and the next, and the week after that. And they don't think there's a problem with that, or with forcing other people to wade through their crap. I'm simply making the point that the phenomenon of "people leaving FFL" is **NOT** due to Neo, but to a few people who simply cannot control their motormouths, and who feel they have the "right" to subject other people to post after post after post after post after post...whatever they want to post, whenever they want to post it. I'll stop talking about this now, because unlike them *I* can control myself. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: >>> >>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: >>> > >>> > And lastly, as long as one is free to scroll past >>> > potentially offensive posts, how can domination >>> > occur in any significant way? >>> >>> Turq's Monday Morning Free Clue To The Clueless >>> >>> You think "free to." Others here think "have to." >>> >>> It's a matter of signal-to-noise ratios. Taking last >>> Friday's Post Count as an example, there are more >>> than a few on the forum who would categorize 421 >>> of the total 852 posts (49.4%) as noise. >>> >>> That is, long experience has taught these people >>> that there is nothing to be gained from reading >>> any of these posts. Fortunately, as you say, we are >>> "free to" disregard them by scrolling past them. >>> >>> But this means that in any given week we "have to" >>> scroll past easily half of all posts on the forum. >>> There comes a time when the desire for the occasional >>> gem of intelligence (signal) simply isn't worth it >>> any more because of the sheer bulk of the other posts >>> (noise). >>> >>> Especially because the noise-posters don't seem to >>> be able (or willing) to control themselves. When >>> it's not invective and trolling, it's inanity such >>> as was described so well by s3raphita earlier: >>> >>> > And bear in mind that a lot of the messages are >>> > simple thumbs up or thumbs down feedback, such as . . . >>> > "Outstanding post!" >>> > "Ha-ha!" >>> > "Thanks for that link" >>> > "Did you forget to take your medics today?" >>> > "You sir are a complete prat" >>> > "YAWN . . . " >>> >>> Bottom line is that you're going to start seeing a >>> LOT of people bailing from FFL. >>> >>> And it WON'T be because of Neo. >>> >>> That, dear lady, is domination. >>> >> >>
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I did read it Judy. I just didn't remember. Lots going on today and probably a little vata vitiated. From: "authfri...@yahoo.com" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 4:03 PM Subject: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Post Count Sat 28-Sep-13 00:15:03 UTC I guess you didn't read my initial response to Barry, Share, in which I listed the five people. They were five of the top six posters, minus Barry, who was the fourth top poster. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: turq, basically you're saying that you don't enjoy my posts and therefore I should stop posting so much! It's lunacy! If I were standing there with a gun to your head, yes, you'd have a point. Otherwise I don't see how you are being subjected to, forced, dominated by anyone to do wading or anything else with regards to the FFL posts. I just don't get it. Also I don't know who the 5th person is! From: turquoiseb To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 2:58 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Post Count Sat 28-Sep-13 00:15:03 UTC Followup. Since I made this post, the same 5 people whom I characterized as having nothing interesting to say and as being so out of control that they flood the forum with their garbage have followed up on my *single* post with a total of *fifteen* posts. In not one of them did any of them offer to cut down on their inane post-flooding. In fact, they attempted to "shoot the messenger" and avoid any responsibility for their own actions. I'd say that they made my point about trying to "dominate" the forum for me. The bottom line on this is clear -- these five posters "contributed" only slightly less that HALF THE TOTAL POSTS MADE LAST WEEK. And they'll do it again this week, and the next, and the week after that. And they don't think there's a problem with that, or with forcing other people to wade through their crap. I'm simply making the point that the phenomenon of "people leaving FFL" is **NOT** due to Neo, but to a few people who simply cannot control their motormouths, and who feel they have the "right" to subject other people to post after post after post after post after post...whatever they want to post, whenever they want to post it. I'll stop talking about this now, because unlike them *I* can control myself. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: >> >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: >> > >> > And lastly, as long as one is free to scroll past >> > potentially offensive posts, how can domination >> > occur in any significant way? >> >> Turq's Monday Morning Free Clue To The Clueless >> >> You think "free to." Others here think "have to." >> >> It's a matter of signal-to-noise ratios. Taking last >> Friday's Post Count as an example, there are more >> than a few on the forum who would categorize 421 >> of the total 852 posts (49.4%) as noise. >> >> That is, long experience has taught these people >> that there is nothing to be gained from reading >> any of these posts. Fortunately, as you say, we are >> "free to" disregard them by scrolling past them. >> >> But this means that in any given week we "have to" >> scroll past easily half of all posts on the forum. >> There comes a time when the desire for the occasional >> gem of intelligence (signal) simply isn't worth it >> any more because of the sheer bulk of the other posts >> (noise). >> >> Especially because the noise-posters don't seem to >> be able (or willing) to control themselves. When >> it's not invective and trolling, it's inanity such >> as was described so well by s3raphita earlier: >> >> > And bear in mind that a lot of the messages are >> > simple thumbs up or thumbs down feedback, such as . . . >> > "Outstanding post!" >> > "Ha-ha!" >> > "Thanks for that link" >> > "Did you forget to take your medics today?" >> > "You sir are a complete prat" >> > "YAWN . . . " >> >> Bottom line is that you're going to start seeing a >> LOT of people bailing from FFL. >> >> And it WON'T be because of Neo. >> >> That, dear lady, is domination. >> > >
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Ok, Xeno, thank you for this explanation. I tend to be a morning person and enjoy posting a lot in the morning. It could be that I have too much energy then. I'll see if I can slow down. And I do truly have the goal to post 10 or less per day. What I write always makes logical sense to me. But I once did some sophisticated career testing and scored high in something called "diagnostic thinking." It means that I make connections and leap to conclusions. Maybe I could figure out ways to fill in the gaps better. But then I'm rushing... Thanks again for the feedback. From: "anartax...@yahoo.com" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 4:09 PM Subject: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Post Count Sat 28-Sep-13 00:15:03 UTC I just want to wade through less. I do not read all of Turq's posts, for example when he is talking about TV shows. I don't read all your posts. I do not read all of Judy's posts. I do not read all of anyone's posts. But everybody at one time or another says something valuable. The other day Judy made a complimentary post about you, I did not expect that, but I thought her analysis was 'correct' (that is in quote's because my analysis is sometimes wrong - in Judy's eyes, perhaps almost always 'wrong'). If there is less time and space in which to say or do something, I think people become a little more focused to make what they say or do tell. Unless they are total basket cases, that means a certain amount of frivolity and laxity drops off, and their communication becomes more concentrated. You can still tell people to go to hell. And, by the way, telling someone to go to hell is not an ad hominem attack. An ad hominem attack is when you tell someone they are, say, evil, and then use that portrayal to attempt to disprove something they said on the basis of that characterisation. Buck was upset over ad hominem attacks, but a lot of what goes on here is simply a hatchet job. Now as for you, I think many of the comments you make are very freely associative, but they do not seem to me to have an underlying logic. As an example of someone who is a master at free association there is Robin Williams. But underlying what he associates, there is a distinct logic that makes those associations hang together, which is why he can be so funny. I think you need to write what you want to say, but do not post immediately. Let it sit a while, and then read it again and see if it really holds together. Judy often thinks what I say does not hang together, but I think this is because she does not understand how intuitive thinking fits together - it is that 'state of consciousness' thing. Judy uses a very linear logic, something I used to be able to do long ago, but it seems that nit picking kind of thinking has mostly vanished; it feels as if thinking that way to me now takes so much energy it is not worth it to pursue except in special circumstances. What Judy says when looked at rather narrowly often hangs together very well, which is why she is so annoying to so many of us, but that carte blanche approach is not always appropriate when trying to understand human beings or to try to get them to understand you. (Note: If Judy wants to maintain her mock integrity, she best not reply to me directly, if the desire to respond to this post in any way arises, lest she commit her lie doubled over. Trying to interject into a discussion by making a 'comment', is nonetheless, entering a discussion. I have handed any apology I might have made to her over to Zeus, who will respectfully keep them hidden for all eternity. I, on the other hand can reply to anything she writes whatsoever, for if the truth could be distilled out of what I say, it would be a meager return indeed. Judy can of course respond by responding to you, were you to continue this discussion by making additional comments, and by happenstance what I write was re-quoted by you. But she cannot respond to ANYTHING I say if she wants to remain simply at her already sullied level of disingenuity, and sink not even further.) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, SHARE wrote: Xeno, I agree that it's good to have rules of procedure with in person conversations. Otherwise one would have to wear ear plugs, take them out when favorite speakers speak, etc.Very vexing. But online?! Scroll on! Don't open the email! Or if you can't help yourself and open the email or post, skim. IMHO, this is the best way to preserve freedom of thought for everyone. Even my personal nemeses: the flat headed three and a half liners! From: "anartaxius@..." To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 8:28 AM Subject: RE: RE: Re: RE: RE: RE: Re: [Fair
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Xeno, I agree that it's good to have rules of procedure with in person conversations. Otherwise one would have to wear ear plugs, take them out when favorite speakers speak, etc.Very vexing. But online?! Scroll on! Don't open the email! Or if you can't help yourself and open the email or post, skim. IMHO, this is the best way to preserve freedom of thought for everyone. Even my personal nemeses: the flat headed three and a half liners! From: "anartax...@yahoo.com" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 8:28 AM Subject: RE: RE: Re: RE: RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Post Count Sat 28-Sep-13 00:15:03 UTC Well, that does have a logic to it. You would not be prevented from posting air-headed one liners, there would be just fewer you could post in any given month. Would you waste time buying a brand of breakfast cereal when every box was only 1/8th full? The web is pretty thin on original content. Supposedly about 3/4th of the content is copied from other parts of the web. And much of the rest is kind of empty as far as ideas as to how to figure out what life is. In government forums, even in rather rowdy governments, there are rules of procedure, giving each speaker a certain amount of time to present their points, and then they have to stop and let someone respond. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, SHARE wrote: Share wrote: But Xeno, I think you want to censor too! You want to censor airheaded one liners. Airheaded one liners maybe want to censor too. Is this the solution? We each get to pick one kind of posting offense and censor that? In my experience, all censors think that they have the worthy goal of more orderliness. What I'm saying is that we either have freedom of content AND form or we don't have freedom of curiosity, inquiry and growth. I suspect Xeno is defining "airheaded one-liners" as those that contribute nothing to curiosity, inquiry, or growth.
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Judy, if a poster thinks another poster generally contributes nothing to curiosity, inquiry and growth, then I would think one would simply not read the posts of that poster. From: "authfri...@yahoo.com" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 7:20 AM Subject: RE: Re: RE: RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Post Count Sat 28-Sep-13 00:15:03 UTC Share wrote: But Xeno, I think you want to censor too! You want to censor airheaded one liners. Airheaded one liners maybe want to censor too. Is this the solution? We each get to pick one kind of posting offense and censor that? In my experience, all censors think that they have the worthy goal of more orderliness. What I'm saying is that we either have freedom of content AND form or we don't have freedom of curiosity, inquiry and growth. I suspect Xeno is defining "airheaded one-liners" as those that contribute nothing to curiosity, inquiry, or growth.
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dear sir turq, I've noticed several different forms of attempted domination online. Scrolling past or not opening emails or even simply skimming, are all useful techniques for thwarting attempted domination of any kind. And I think a lot of people have been bailing from FFL all along. From: turquoiseb To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 7:32 AM Subject: RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Post Count Sat 28-Sep-13 00:15:03 UTC --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: > > And lastly, as long as one is free to scroll past > potentially offensive posts, how can domination > occur in any significant way? Turq's Monday Morning Free Clue To The Clueless You think "free to." Others here think "have to." It's a matter of signal-to-noise ratios. Taking last Friday's Post Count as an example, there are more than a few on the forum who would categorize 421 of the total 852 posts (49.4%) as noise. That is, long experience has taught these people that there is nothing to be gained from reading any of these posts. Fortunately, as you say, we are "free to" disregard them by scrolling past them. But this means that in any given week we "have to" scroll past easily half of all posts on the forum. There comes a time when the desire for the occasional gem of intelligence (signal) simply isn't worth it any more because of the sheer bulk of the other posts (noise). Especially because the noise-posters don't seem to be able (or willing) to control themselves. When it's not invective and trolling, it's inanity such as was described so well by s3raphita earlier: > And bear in mind that a lot of the messages are > simple thumbs up or thumbs down feedback, such as . . . > "Outstanding post!" > "Ha-ha!" > "Thanks for that link" > "Did you forget to take your medics today?" > "You sir are a complete prat" > "YAWN . . . " Bottom line is that you're going to start seeing a LOT of people bailing from FFL. And it WON'T be because of Neo. That, dear lady, is domination.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: > > And lastly, as long as one is free to scroll past > potentially offensive posts, how can domination > occur in any significant way? Turq's Monday Morning Free Clue To The Clueless You think "free to." Others here think "have to." It's a matter of signal-to-noise ratios. Taking last Friday's Post Count as an example, there are more than a few on the forum who would categorize 421 of the total 852 posts (49.4%) as noise. That is, long experience has taught these people that there is nothing to be gained from reading any of these posts. Fortunately, as you say, we are "free to" disregard them by scrolling past them. But this means that in any given week we "have to" scroll past easily half of all posts on the forum. There comes a time when the desire for the occasional gem of intelligence (signal) simply isn't worth it any more because of the sheer bulk of the other posts (noise). Especially because the noise-posters don't seem to be able (or willing) to control themselves. When it's not invective and trolling, it's inanity such as was described so well by s3raphita earlier: > And bear in mind that a lot of the messages are > simple thumbs up or thumbs down feedback, such as . . . > "Outstanding post!" > "Ha-ha!" > "Thanks for that link" > "Did you forget to take your medics today?" > "You sir are a complete prat" > "YAWN . . . " Bottom line is that you're going to start seeing a LOT of people bailing from FFL. And it WON'T be because of Neo. That, dear lady, is domination.
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But Xeno, I think you want to censor too! You want to censor airheaded one liners. Airheaded one liners maybe want to censor too. Is this the solution? We each get to pick one kind of posting offense and censor that? In my experience, all censors think that they have the worthy goal of more orderliness. What I'm saying is that we either have freedom of content AND form or we don't have freedom of curiosity, inquiry and growth. And lastly, as long as one is free to scroll past potentially offensive posts, how can domination occur in any significant way? From: "anartax...@yahoo.com" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2013 9:55 PM Subject: RE: RE: RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Post Count Sat 28-Sep-13 00:15:03 UTC The problem with you being an administrator Buck, is you would suspend people for content, not just for posting over a limit, and that would be even more effective for destroying what goes on here than what is going on now. I feel you would suspend debate for doctrinal reasons. People have genuine disagreements over what this enlightenment thing really is, and the reason is it is never what people think it is. But if you kill people's inquiring in ways that you disagree with, you suspend one of the greatest assets in the search for enlightenment, which is curiosity. Posting limits can help with moderating extremes in debate, giving a more orderly forum, and keeping the blabbermouths and one-liner airheads from dominating time and space, but moderating content suppresses the truth that is found when you see between opposing values, and notice how they are always related, lock step. Enlightenment is not about religious values, it is something that is found when you pass beyond religious values. By the way Sam Harris's newest book, due sometime early next year I believe, is called 'Waking Up: A Guide to Spirituality Without Religion'. He is a serious neuroscientist and an eloquent spokesman for those intent on finding out what spirituality is from a scientific point of view without the sugar glaze of ideology. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BUCK wrote: If Rick or Alex would show me how to suspend people from FFL I could help administrate that too. -Buck ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Absolutely not. If you guys want post restrictions, then work it out amongst yourselves how you want it enforced. I will continue to have my old Dell laptop automatically run any needed post count script, but that's it for me. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: BUCK WROTE: Why should Rick Archer host this site any longer for mostly fractious, abusive and unpleasant postings by a few people flooding the content with their personal animosities. The average poster, based on last week posts 25 messages, or about 111 a month, based on a 30 day month. I myself miss actual discussions. One line comments take up time I would rather, and now usually do, spend elsewhere. This argument about post limits revolves around who might what to handle posting limits should that ever resurface, because it has to be handled manually. Suppose, instead of a weekly post count, it were done once a month and everyone allowed, say 200 posts. The post count is run at the end of the month, and anyone over 200 gets to cool their heels for a whole month. It would not be necessary to run it weekly or even every night. Let each person keep their own track. Maybe even Alex might be able to handle this.
