Re: Re: Re: Re: RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] Ritam Bhara Pragya and world peace

2013-09-27 Thread Share Long
emptybill, does ritam occur only on the para level or also on the pashyanti 
level where the four levels of speech from tantric tradition are para  
(transcendent or nondual speech), pashyanti (the speech which is  seen), 
madhyama 
(mental speech), vaikhari (spoken speech).

In para, one just has to hang around a nondual realizer and they 
realize that that state transmits the potentiality for all answers 
without an intervening transfer. So the tension of question and 
answer just spontaneously resolves itself at that level. Thus a 
realizer radiating bodhichitta, the thought of enlightenment for all 
sentience tends to actualize realization in others merely by their 
presence, although this is not necessarily is limited by space/ 
distance or time. 
Pashyanti is pure visionary speech beyond karmic 
vision. 
Madhyama are thoughts or communication within the mental 
body or dimension. 
Vaikhari is dualistic speech coming from our 
vocal chords. 




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Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 9:25 PM
Subject: RE: Re: Re: Re: RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] Ritam Bhara Pragya and 
world peace
 


  
Ritam Bhara Prajña Ha Ha ,,,

All this talk about Ritam ... doesn't anyone here 

read Vyasa's commentary on the Yoga Sutras?


August, 2010 reply ... (Now that is Rtam.)


Ritam-bhara prajna is not described this way by Vyasa so I am not sure where 
this interpretation comes from. 
 
Ritam prajna is described by him as direct non-conceptual knowing of 
a particular in which there is no such thing as a general idea (that 
means no abstraction whatsoever, whether linguistic or conceptual). This type 
of direct cognition is unconditioned by concepts of space, time or cause.  
 
That means this insight or direct perception is independent of:
 
1. any locus of the seer/seeing /seen
2. any sequence of moments in which it occurs 
3. any causal conditions which seem to anchor or produce such insight. 
 
This type of direct cognition sees the specific characteristics and 
qualities of an object just as it is in itself without regard to the 
overlays of conditioning, either by thought, language or culture, whether known 
or unknown.
 
Although Ritam is described in the Rig Veda as the Right, it is conjoined with 
Satyam (Truth) and Brihat (the Vast Expanse)  i.e. these are three 
mutual values that uphold the universe. Just as prakriti is just the 
three guna-s functioning together  in coordination, so Dharma is satyam, ritam, 
brihat ... the Truth, the Right, the Vast ... conjoined in universal 
functioning. 


Swaha ... Swa ha ha



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com Share 
wrote:


yep (-:






 

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Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] Ritam Bhara Pragya and world peace

2013-09-26 Thread Michael Jackson
you're kidding, did you really ask if someone somewhere wold be missing a page?





 From: authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 9:13 AM
Subject: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Ritam Bhara Pragya and world peace
 


  
FWIW, as a mere meditator, I first heard about Ritam in either late 1975 or 
early 1976, on a residence course at which the teachers gave a lecture on the 
TM-Sidhis.

Among the examples of Ritam they gave was the guy who needed to know a phone 
number, who would find in his hands the appropriate page of the phone book. I 
asked whether the page would have been generated de novo, or whether there was 
some poor shlump somewhere who would then have a phone book with a missing page.

As absurd as the example was, I think it was actually a good theoretical 
question. After all, we were hearing about Ritam for the first time and had no 
idea what the mechanics involved. The teachers apparently assumed I was 
unstressing and ignored it.

 



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:


My old friend Edmund Taylor who now lives in North Carolina claims that it was 
in response to a question from him that Marshy first spoke of ritam - he says 
there's a tape of it in the TM archives - it had to be in the 1970's cuz that's 
when he did TTC - dunno if its true but that's what he claims





 From: doctordumbass@... doctordumbass@...
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2013 11:44 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Ritam Bhara Pragya and world peace
 


  
From the BATGAP forum. The context was world peace. This is a post I made, 
over there, earlier this evening:


Kind of funny the way Maharishi used to
talk A LOT about patience, and his analogy of selling pencils to earn money,
one pencil at a time. Burned right through my youthful enthusiasm, and later,
my ego, just long enough to make me realize, that he was expressing a time
frame that operates on its own, leading surely to success.
 
Helped me get past false expectations for myself, and the world.
Allowed me to stay focused on the goal, which I thought was external for the
longest time, and it *almost* is: Ritam Bhara Pragya.
 
When I first heard about
Ritam, in the 1980's, it was in the context of immediate benefit,
expression of the sidhis. Now I find out, backwards, that it is the state of
mind, where the rhythm of the mind matches the rhythm of the universe. I found
out backwards, because I was thinking about how to finish the sentence in
paragraph two, and 'Ritam Bhara Pragya' came in, so I googled it, and found out
it was exactly what I was trying to express.
 
So, that's how stuff happens now.
Further unfolding of the TMSP - full access to mind, matter, and everything in
between. An expansion of living Brahman, where the difference between inside
and out, practically disappears, this is another union, between an enlightened
mind (intellect and heart in Yoga), and manifestation, or not, in the manifest
world, the physical world.
 
The deepest and most powerful impulses
of creation make themselves known, not in any dramatic fashion, but in a way
that is natural, and approachable, making as much sense as those more obvious
laws in what I will call the most obvious world.
 
Finally, such experience is incredibly
useful! An entire landscape, conforming to Maharishi's expression, do
less, and accomplish more, opens up. A very different, yet deeply
satisfying way of functioning, where any point in time or space, ranging from
nanoseconds, to cosmic eons, is available. No gaps.
 
Certainly, for
myself, I am rarely greatly concerned about my well being. However, every human
desires world peace, and I will always wait, and work, for that.


 

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Re: RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] Ritam Bhara Pragya and world peace

2013-09-26 Thread Share Long
Ann, I think it's a very big universe having plenty of room for all kinds of 
paths and lifestyles and ways of living, of being in the world. Better one's 
own dharma than the dharma of another, though higher. The dharma of another 
brings danger.





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To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 10:24 AM
Subject: RE: RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] Ritam Bhara Pragya and world peace
 


  
 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:


Yes. I was halfway kidding, but it was the only way I could think of to pose 
the question, which was legitimate: if you acquire some physical object via 
Ritam, where does it come from? Is it created out of thin air just for you? Or 
did it already exist somewhere and was just brought to you?

Another example they used was if you want an apple, you'll find one in your 
hand. I was tempted to ask if you'd get a specific variety of apple--Macintosh, 
Golden Delicious, e.g.--or if it would be a sort of generic cosmic apple. But 
given that they ignored my question about the phone book, I figured they either 
didn't know or had no interest in the details.

Gimme a break, I'd only been meditating for around six months!

I think it's great. I love asking really literal questions when you get the big 
spiel on things like ritam or other rather grandiose purported phenomena 
possibilities. It is perfectly natural to ask the questions you did and it also 
makes these people have to think a little and analyze how the thing might 
actually work beyond some airy fairy 'fact' that it does. More people should 
have taken the route you did instead of sitting there like numbskulls nodding 
their fool heads in wonderment. (Share?)


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:


you're kidding, did you really ask if someone somewhere wold be missing a page?





 From: authfriend@... authfriend@...
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 9:13 AM
Subject: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Ritam Bhara Pragya and world peace
 


  
FWIW, as a mere meditator, I first heard about Ritam in either late 1975 or 
early 1976, on a residence course at which the teachers gave a lecture on the 
TM-Sidhis.

Among the examples of Ritam they gave was the guy who needed to know a phone 
number, who would find in his hands the appropriate page of the phone book. I 
asked whether the page would have been generated de novo, or whether there was 
some poor shlump somewhere who would then have a phone book with a missing page.

As absurd as the example was, I think it was actually a good theoretical 
question. After all, we were hearing about Ritam for the first time and had no 
idea what the mechanics involved. The teachers apparently assumed I was 
unstressing and ignored it.

 



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:


My old friend Edmund Taylor who now lives in North Carolina claims that it was 
in response to a question from him that Marshy first spoke of ritam - he says 
there's a tape of it in the TM archives - it had to be in the 1970's cuz that's 
when he did TTC - dunno if its true but that's what he claims





 From: doctordumbass@... doctordumbass@...
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2013 11:44 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Ritam Bhara Pragya and world peace
 


  
From the BATGAP forum. The context was world peace. This is a post I made, 
over there, earlier this evening:


Kind of funny the way Maharishi used to
talk A LOT about patience, and his analogy of selling pencils to earn money,
one pencil at a time. Burned right through my youthful enthusiasm, and later,
my ego, just long enough to make me realize, that he was expressing a time
frame that operates on its own, leading surely to success.
 
Helped me get past false expectations for myself, and the world.
Allowed me to stay focused on the goal, which I thought was external for the
longest time, and it *almost* is: Ritam Bhara Pragya.
 
When I first heard about
Ritam, in the 1980's, it was in the context of immediate benefit,
expression of the sidhis. Now I find out, backwards, that it is the state of
mind, where the rhythm of the mind matches the rhythm of the universe. I found
out backwards, because I was thinking about how to finish the sentence in
paragraph two, and 'Ritam Bhara Pragya' came in, so I googled it, and found out
it was exactly what I was trying to express.
 
So, that's how stuff happens now.
Further unfolding of the TMSP - full access to mind, matter, and everything in
between. An expansion of living Brahman, where the difference between inside
and out, practically disappears, this is another union, between an enlightened
mind (intellect and heart in Yoga), and manifestation, or not, in the manifest
world

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2013-09-26 Thread doctordumbass













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2013-09-26 Thread Share Long
Doc, I think that was Maharishi explaining ritam. Anyway, many spiritual 
teachers warn against going this route before being established at least on the 
celestial level. Beings in the astral realm can disguise their intention 
towards humans.





 From: doctordumb...@rocketmail.com doctordumb...@rocketmail.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 10:43 AM
Subject: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Ritam Bhara Pragya and world peace
 


  
Always wonderful to read about another person's similar experiences. Emphasis 
on being *established* in Ritam, before considering any celestial visions. 



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:


Doc, thanks for wonderful topic. I googled on Maharishi ritam and this 
transcript was the first listing. Great detailed analysis:
http://spirituelle-erfahrungen.blog.de/2009/12/09/mmy-ritam-bhara-pragya-7542180/





 From: doctordumbass@... doctordumbass@...
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2013 10:44 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Ritam Bhara Pragya and world peace
 


  
From the BATGAP forum. The context was world peace. This is a post I made, 
over there, earlier this evening:


Kind of funny the way Maharishi used to
talk A LOT about patience, and his analogy of selling pencils to earn money,
one pencil at a time. Burned right through my youthful enthusiasm, and later,
my ego, just long enough to make me realize, that he was expressing a time
frame that operates on its own, leading surely to success.
 
Helped me get past false expectations for myself, and the world.
Allowed me to stay focused on the goal, which I thought was external for the
longest time, and it *almost* is: Ritam Bhara Pragya.
 
When I first heard about
Ritam, in the 1980's, it was in the context of immediate benefit,
expression of the sidhis. Now I find out, backwards, that it is the state of
mind, where the rhythm of the mind matches the rhythm of the universe. I found
out backwards, because I was thinking about how to finish the sentence in
paragraph two, and 'Ritam Bhara Pragya' came in, so I googled it, and found out
it was exactly what I was trying to express.
 
So, that's how stuff happens now.
Further unfolding of the TMSP - full access to mind, matter, and everything in
between. An expansion of living Brahman, where the difference between inside
and out, practically disappears, this is another union, between an enlightened
mind (intellect and heart in Yoga), and manifestation, or not, in the manifest
world, the physical world.
 
The deepest and most powerful impulses
of creation make themselves known, not in any dramatic fashion, but in a way
that is natural, and approachable, making as much sense as those more obvious
laws in what I will call the most obvious world.
 
Finally, such experience is incredibly
useful! An entire landscape, conforming to Maharishi's expression, do
less, and accomplish more, opens up. A very different, yet deeply
satisfying way of functioning, where any point in time or space, ranging from
nanoseconds, to cosmic eons, is available. No gaps.
 
Certainly, for
myself, I am rarely greatly concerned about my well being. However, every human
desires world peace, and I will always wait, and work, for that.


 

Re: RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] Ritam Bhara Pragya and world peace

2013-09-26 Thread Michael Jackson
they must-a toned it down a bit cuz when we asked about ritam during our sidhi 
prep courses in 1976-77  they always talked about it as something you would 
experience in your consciousness, not in literal physical reality





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To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 11:24 AM
Subject: RE: RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] Ritam Bhara Pragya and world peace
 


  
 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:


Yes. I was halfway kidding, but it was the only way I could think of to pose 
the question, which was legitimate: if you acquire some physical object via 
Ritam, where does it come from? Is it created out of thin air just for you? Or 
did it already exist somewhere and was just brought to you?

Another example they used was if you want an apple, you'll find one in your 
hand. I was tempted to ask if you'd get a specific variety of apple--Macintosh, 
Golden Delicious, e.g.--or if it would be a sort of generic cosmic apple. But 
given that they ignored my question about the phone book, I figured they either 
didn't know or had no interest in the details.

Gimme a break, I'd only been meditating for around six months!

I think it's great. I love asking really literal questions when you get the big 
spiel on things like ritam or other rather grandiose purported phenomena 
possibilities. It is perfectly natural to ask the questions you did and it also 
makes these people have to think a little and analyze how the thing might 
actually work beyond some airy fairy 'fact' that it does. More people should 
have taken the route you did instead of sitting there like numbskulls nodding 
their fool heads in wonderment. (Share?)


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:


you're kidding, did you really ask if someone somewhere wold be missing a page?





 From: authfriend@... authfriend@...
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 9:13 AM
Subject: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Ritam Bhara Pragya and world peace
 


  
FWIW, as a mere meditator, I first heard about Ritam in either late 1975 or 
early 1976, on a residence course at which the teachers gave a lecture on the 
TM-Sidhis.

Among the examples of Ritam they gave was the guy who needed to know a phone 
number, who would find in his hands the appropriate page of the phone book. I 
asked whether the page would have been generated de novo, or whether there was 
some poor shlump somewhere who would then have a phone book with a missing page.

As absurd as the example was, I think it was actually a good theoretical 
question. After all, we were hearing about Ritam for the first time and had no 
idea what the mechanics involved. The teachers apparently assumed I was 
unstressing and ignored it.

 



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:


My old friend Edmund Taylor who now lives in North Carolina claims that it was 
in response to a question from him that Marshy first spoke of ritam - he says 
there's a tape of it in the TM archives - it had to be in the 1970's cuz that's 
when he did TTC - dunno if its true but that's what he claims





 From: doctordumbass@... doctordumbass@...
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2013 11:44 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Ritam Bhara Pragya and world peace
 


  
From the BATGAP forum. The context was world peace. This is a post I made, 
over there, earlier this evening:


Kind of funny the way Maharishi used to
talk A LOT about patience, and his analogy of selling pencils to earn money,
one pencil at a time. Burned right through my youthful enthusiasm, and later,
my ego, just long enough to make me realize, that he was expressing a time
frame that operates on its own, leading surely to success.
 
Helped me get past false expectations for myself, and the world.
Allowed me to stay focused on the goal, which I thought was external for the
longest time, and it *almost* is: Ritam Bhara Pragya.
 
When I first heard about
Ritam, in the 1980's, it was in the context of immediate benefit,
expression of the sidhis. Now I find out, backwards, that it is the state of
mind, where the rhythm of the mind matches the rhythm of the universe. I found
out backwards, because I was thinking about how to finish the sentence in
paragraph two, and 'Ritam Bhara Pragya' came in, so I googled it, and found out
it was exactly what I was trying to express.
 
So, that's how stuff happens now.
Further unfolding of the TMSP - full access to mind, matter, and everything in
between. An expansion of living Brahman, where the difference between inside
and out, practically disappears, this is another union, between an enlightened
mind (intellect and heart in Yoga), and manifestation, or not, in the manifest
world, the physical world

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2013-09-26 Thread doctordumbass













Re: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] Ritam Bhara Pragya and world peace

2013-09-26 Thread Share Long
Doc, this makes me think of pragyaparadh, mistake of the intellect, which is 
basically duality, thinking, experiencing that there is anything outside of 
wholeness.





 From: doctordumb...@rocketmail.com doctordumb...@rocketmail.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 11:46 AM
Subject: RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] Ritam Bhara Pragya and world peace
 


  
Yes, it was *definitely* Maharishi talking about his experiences. The danger in 
taking celestial visions at face value, before the intellect is established, is 
not in the visions, or entities, themselves. It is because the mind is not 
stable enough to recognize what is real, and what is not. 



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:


Doc, I think that was Maharishi explaining ritam. Anyway, many spiritual 
teachers warn against going this route before being established at least on the 
celestial level. Beings in the astral realm can disguise their intention 
towards humans.





 From: doctordumbass@... doctordumbass@...
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 10:43 AM
Subject: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Ritam Bhara Pragya and world peace
 


  
Always wonderful to read about another person's similar experiences. Emphasis 
on being *established* in Ritam, before considering any celestial visions. 



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:


Doc, thanks for wonderful topic. I googled on Maharishi ritam and this 
transcript was the first listing. Great detailed analysis:
http://spirituelle-erfahrungen.blog.de/2009/12/09/mmy-ritam-bhara-pragya-7542180/





 From: doctordumbass@... doctordumbass@...
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2013 10:44 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Ritam Bhara Pragya and world peace
 


  
From the BATGAP forum. The context was world peace. This is a post I made, 
over there, earlier this evening:


Kind of funny the way Maharishi used to
talk A LOT about patience, and his analogy of selling pencils to earn money,
one pencil at a time. Burned right through my youthful enthusiasm, and later,
my ego, just long enough to make me realize, that he was expressing a time
frame that operates on its own, leading surely to success.
 
Helped me get past false expectations for myself, and the world.
Allowed me to stay focused on the goal, which I thought was external for the
longest time, and it *almost* is: Ritam Bhara Pragya.
 
When I first heard about
Ritam, in the 1980's, it was in the context of immediate benefit,
expression of the sidhis. Now I find out, backwards, that it is the state of
mind, where the rhythm of the mind matches the rhythm of the universe. I found
out backwards, because I was thinking about how to finish the sentence in
paragraph two, and 'Ritam Bhara Pragya' came in, so I googled it, and found out
it was exactly what I was trying to express.
 
So, that's how stuff happens now.
Further unfolding of the TMSP - full access to mind, matter, and everything in
between. An expansion of living Brahman, where the difference between inside
and out, practically disappears, this is another union, between an enlightened
mind (intellect and heart in Yoga), and manifestation, or not, in the manifest
world, the physical world.
 
The deepest and most powerful impulses
of creation make themselves known, not in any dramatic fashion, but in a way
that is natural, and approachable, making as much sense as those more obvious
laws in what I will call the most obvious world.
 
Finally, such experience is incredibly
useful! An entire landscape, conforming to Maharishi's expression, do
less, and accomplish more, opens up. A very different, yet deeply
satisfying way of functioning, where any point in time or space, ranging from
nanoseconds, to cosmic eons, is available. No gaps.
 
Certainly, for
myself, I am rarely greatly concerned about my well being. However, every human
desires world peace, and I will always wait, and work, for that.




 

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2013-09-26 Thread Share Long
A man walked by a pond and noticed a scorpion in it, drowning. He lifted the 
scorpion out of the water and the scorpion stung him. Why did you do that, the 
man asked. Because it's my nature to sting, replied the scorpion.





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To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 12:35 PM
Subject: RE: Re: RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] Ritam Bhara Pragya and world peace
 


  
Well, there you go, Ann. See how we underestimate Share? She understood exactly 
what you were asking and responded with a profound insight that spoke directly 
to your question: It's a very big universe having plenty of room for all kinds 
of paths and lifestyles and ways of living, of being in the world. And she 
followed up with a brilliantly relevant teaching of Maharishi's: The dharma of 
another brings danger.

Now aren't you glad you asked her to contribute?


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:


Ann, I think it's a very big universe having plenty of room for all kinds of 
paths and lifestyles and ways of living, of being in the world. Better one's 
own dharma than the dharma of another, though higher. The dharma of another 
brings danger.





 From: awoelflebater@... awoelflebater@...
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 10:24 AM
Subject: RE: RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] Ritam Bhara Pragya and world peace
 


  
 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:


Yes. I was halfway kidding, but it was the only way I could think of to pose 
the question, which was legitimate: if you acquire some physical object via 
Ritam, where does it come from? Is it created out of thin air just for you? Or 
did it already exist somewhere and was just brought to you?

Another example they used was if you want an apple, you'll find one in your 
hand. I was tempted to ask if you'd get a specific variety of apple--Macintosh, 
Golden Delicious, e.g.--or if it would be a sort of generic cosmic apple. But 
given that they ignored my question about the phone book, I figured they either 
didn't know or had no interest in the details.

Gimme a break, I'd only been meditating for around six months!

I think it's great. I love asking really literal questions when you get the big 
spiel on things like ritam or other rather grandiose purported phenomena 
possibilities. It is perfectly natural to ask the questions you did and it also 
makes these people have to think a little and analyze how the thing might 
actually work beyond some airy fairy 'fact' that it does. More people should 
have taken the route you did instead of sitting there like numbskulls nodding 
their fool heads in wonderment. (Share?)


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:


you're kidding, did you really ask if someone somewhere wold be missing a page?





 From: authfriend@... authfriend@...
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 9:13 AM
Subject: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Ritam Bhara Pragya and world peace
 


  
FWIW, as a mere meditator, I first heard about Ritam in either late 1975 or 
early 1976, on a residence course at which the teachers gave a lecture on the 
TM-Sidhis.

Among the examples of Ritam they gave was the guy who needed to know a phone 
number, who would find in his hands the appropriate page of the phone book. I 
asked whether the page would have been generated de novo, or whether there was 
some poor shlump somewhere who would then have a phone book with a missing page.

As absurd as the example was, I think it was actually a good theoretical 
question. After all, we were hearing about Ritam for the first time and had no 
idea what the mechanics involved. The teachers apparently assumed I was 
unstressing and ignored it.

 



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:


My old friend Edmund Taylor who now lives in North Carolina claims that it was 
in response to a question from him that Marshy first spoke of ritam - he says 
there's a tape of it in the TM archives - it had to be in the 1970's cuz that's 
when he did TTC - dunno if its true but that's what he claims





 From: doctordumbass@... doctordumbass@...
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2013 11:44 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Ritam Bhara Pragya and world peace
 


  
From the BATGAP forum. The context was world peace. This is a post I made, 
over there, earlier this evening:


Kind of funny the way Maharishi used to
talk A LOT about patience, and his analogy of selling pencils to earn money,
one pencil at a time. Burned right through my youthful enthusiasm, and later,
my ego, just long enough to make me realize, that he was expressing a time
frame that operates on its own, leading surely

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2013-09-26 Thread Share Long
Wear whichever shoe fits, Judy.





 From: authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 3:17 PM
Subject: RE: Re: Re: RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] Ritam Bhara Pragya and world 
peace
 


  
Oh, do you feel stung, Share? I thought what I wrote was quite complimentary.

Have you ever tried to sting anybody yourself?

Or were you suggesting that I was drowning and you saved me? Do elaborate.
 

Share wrote:


A man walked by a pond and noticed a scorpion in it, drowning. He lifted the 
scorpion out of the water and the scorpion stung him. Why did you do that, the 
man asked. Because it's my nature to sting, replied the scorpion.





 From: authfriend@... authfriend@...
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 12:35 PM
Subject: RE: Re: RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] Ritam Bhara Pragya and world peace
 


  
Well, there you go, Ann. See how we underestimate Share? She understood exactly 
what you were asking and responded with a profound insight that spoke directly 
to your question: It's a very big universe having plenty of room for all kinds 
of paths and lifestyles and ways of living, of being in the world. And she 
followed up with a brilliantly relevant teaching of Maharishi's: The dharma of 
another brings danger.

Now aren't you glad you asked her to contribute?

 

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2013-09-26 Thread Share Long
yep, all different kinds of dharma in the world, infinite actually, 
unfathomable even





 From: awoelfleba...@yahoo.com awoelfleba...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 3:23 PM
Subject: RE: Re: RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] Ritam Bhara Pragya and world peace
 


  
 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:


Ann, I think it's a very big universe having plenty of room for all kinds of 
paths and lifestyles and ways of living, of being in the world. Better one's 
own dharma than the dharma of another, though higher. The dharma of another 
brings danger.

Is there a dharma for believing everything you hear and see or don't see and 
don't hear?





 From: awoelflebater@... awoelflebater@...
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 10:24 AM
Subject: RE: RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] Ritam Bhara Pragya and world peace
 


  
 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:


Yes. I was halfway kidding, but it was the only way I could think of to pose 
the question, which was legitimate: if you acquire some physical object via 
Ritam, where does it come from? Is it created out of thin air just for you? Or 
did it already exist somewhere and was just brought to you?

Another example they used was if you want an apple, you'll find one in your 
hand. I was tempted to ask if you'd get a specific variety of apple--Macintosh, 
Golden Delicious, e.g.--or if it would be a sort of generic cosmic apple. But 
given that they ignored my question about the phone book, I figured they either 
didn't know or had no interest in the details.

Gimme a break, I'd only been meditating for around six months!

I think it's great. I love asking really literal questions when you get the big 
spiel on things like ritam or other rather grandiose purported phenomena 
possibilities. It is perfectly natural to ask the questions you did and it also 
makes these people have to think a little and analyze how the thing might 
actually work beyond some airy fairy 'fact' that it does. More people should 
have taken the route you did instead of sitting there like numbskulls nodding 
their fool heads in wonderment. (Share?)


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:


you're kidding, did you really ask if someone somewhere wold be missing a page?





 From: authfriend@... authfriend@...
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 9:13 AM
Subject: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Ritam Bhara Pragya and world peace
 


  
FWIW, as a mere meditator, I first heard about Ritam in either late 1975 or 
early 1976, on a residence course at which the teachers gave a lecture on the 
TM-Sidhis.

Among the examples of Ritam they gave was the guy who needed to know a phone 
number, who would find in his hands the appropriate page of the phone book. I 
asked whether the page would have been generated de novo, or whether there was 
some poor shlump somewhere who would then have a phone book with a missing page.

As absurd as the example was, I think it was actually a good theoretical 
question. After all, we were hearing about Ritam for the first time and had no 
idea what the mechanics involved. The teachers apparently assumed I was 
unstressing and ignored it.

 



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:


My old friend Edmund Taylor who now lives in North Carolina claims that it was 
in response to a question from him that Marshy first spoke of ritam - he says 
there's a tape of it in the TM archives - it had to be in the 1970's cuz that's 
when he did TTC - dunno if its true but that's what he claims





 From: doctordumbass@... doctordumbass@...
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2013 11:44 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Ritam Bhara Pragya and world peace
 


  
From the BATGAP forum. The context was world peace. This is a post I made, 
over there, earlier this evening:


Kind of funny the way Maharishi used to
talk A LOT about patience, and his analogy of selling pencils to earn money,
one pencil at a time. Burned right through my youthful enthusiasm, and later,
my ego, just long enough to make me realize, that he was expressing a time
frame that operates on its own, leading surely to success.
 
Helped me get past false expectations for myself, and the world.
Allowed me to stay focused on the goal, which I thought was external for the
longest time, and it *almost* is: Ritam Bhara Pragya.
 
When I first heard about
Ritam, in the 1980's, it was in the context of immediate benefit,
expression of the sidhis. Now I find out, backwards, that it is the state of
mind, where the rhythm of the mind matches the rhythm of the universe. I found
out backwards, because I was thinking about how

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2013-09-26 Thread Share Long
yep (-:





 From: awoelfleba...@yahoo.com awoelfleba...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 4:59 PM
Subject: RE: Re: Re: RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] Ritam Bhara Pragya and world 
peace
 


  
 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:


A man walked by a pond and noticed a scorpion in it, drowning. He lifted the 
scorpion out of the water and the scorpion stung him. Why did you do that, the 
man asked. Because it's my nature to sting, replied the scorpion.

The perfection of the scorpion performing within its true dharma.Beautiful.





 From: authfriend@... authfriend@...
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 12:35 PM
Subject: RE: Re: RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] Ritam Bhara Pragya and world peace
 


  
Well, there you go, Ann. See how we underestimate Share? She understood exactly 
what you were asking and responded with a profound insight that spoke directly 
to your question: It's a very big universe having plenty of room for all kinds 
of paths and lifestyles and ways of living, of being in the world. And she 
followed up with a brilliantly relevant teaching of Maharishi's: The dharma of 
another brings danger.

Now aren't you glad you asked her to contribute?


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:


Ann, I think it's a very big universe having plenty of room for all kinds of 
paths and lifestyles and ways of living, of being in the world. Better one's 
own dharma than the dharma of another, though higher. The dharma of another 
brings danger.





 From: awoelflebater@... awoelflebater@...
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 10:24 AM
Subject: RE: RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] Ritam Bhara Pragya and world peace
 


  
 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:


Yes. I was halfway kidding, but it was the only way I could think of to pose 
the question, which was legitimate: if you acquire some physical object via 
Ritam, where does it come from? Is it created out of thin air just for you? Or 
did it already exist somewhere and was just brought to you?

Another example they used was if you want an apple, you'll find one in your 
hand. I was tempted to ask if you'd get a specific variety of apple--Macintosh, 
Golden Delicious, e.g.--or if it would be a sort of generic cosmic apple. But 
given that they ignored my question about the phone book, I figured they either 
didn't know or had no interest in the details.

Gimme a break, I'd only been meditating for around six months!

I think it's great. I love asking really literal questions when you get the big 
spiel on things like ritam or other rather grandiose purported phenomena 
possibilities. It is perfectly natural to ask the questions you did and it also 
makes these people have to think a little and analyze how the thing might 
actually work beyond some airy fairy 'fact' that it does. More people should 
have taken the route you did instead of sitting there like numbskulls nodding 
their fool heads in wonderment. (Share?)


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:


you're kidding, did you really ask if someone somewhere wold be missing a page?





 From: authfriend@... authfriend@...
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 9:13 AM
Subject: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Ritam Bhara Pragya and world peace
 


  
FWIW, as a mere meditator, I first heard about Ritam in either late 1975 or 
early 1976, on a residence course at which the teachers gave a lecture on the 
TM-Sidhis.

Among the examples of Ritam they gave was the guy who needed to know a phone 
number, who would find in his hands the appropriate page of the phone book. I 
asked whether the page would have been generated de novo, or whether there was 
some poor shlump somewhere who would then have a phone book with a missing page.

As absurd as the example was, I think it was actually a good theoretical 
question. After all, we were hearing about Ritam for the first time and had no 
idea what the mechanics involved. The teachers apparently assumed I was 
unstressing and ignored it.

 



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:


My old friend Edmund Taylor who now lives in North Carolina claims that it was 
in response to a question from him that Marshy first spoke of ritam - he says 
there's a tape of it in the TM archives - it had to be in the 1970's cuz that's 
when he did TTC - dunno if its true but that's what he claims





 From: doctordumbass@... doctordumbass@...
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2013 11:44 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Ritam Bhara Pragya and world peace
 


  
From the BATGAP

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