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2013-09-11 Thread Share Long
Lawson, turq and Xeno, having done only TTC phase 1, my understanding is that 
there are 2 conditions for the session to be considered correct TM: having 
closed the eyes, a person has to *pick up* the mantra; a person has to continue 
*picking up* the mantra whenever they become aware that they are off it. 
Whatever else happens whether thoughts, emotions or sensations, is correct TM. 
What is not correct TM is trying to have the mantra at a certain level of 
clarity or a certain number of times.




 From: lengli...@cox.net lengli...@cox.net
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, September 9, 2013 5:43 PM
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What do you mean you use a mantra during TM?

What does that MEAN?

My experience is that what I call mantra in one TM session may or may not be 
like mantra in another.

Characterizing it as even a thought is probably misleading by most people's 
standards as they have a very specific idea of what thought means.

So...

After all this time, what do you mean by mantra in the context of TM?










 

 

 
 

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2013-09-09 Thread Arhata Osho


 
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 From: gregorygor...@yahoo.com gregorygor...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, 9 September 2013, 16:07
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I learned tm in stpaul,minnesota a year ago and I  always wonder if ive 
actually transcended thought or not . I feel ive had a few deep experiences on 
rare occasions, kind of like I was freefalling through space for a second or 
now and then I feel like outside world totally disapperared while meditating, 
so silent inside myself. but It seemed like I didn't let my meditation 
naturally unfold. my teacher said I wouldn't have the same experience every 
time. ive been to a few checking sessions but its too far away for me to drive 
really. I wish the tm organization had videos on the mechanics of tm for people 
like me that have already paid to learn the technique but cant be present at 
group sessions etc that I could purchase or download .  


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:


There comes a point where techniques fail. Now I still do TM but not all the 
time. Most of the spiritual techniques I have had have failed to be relevant. 
If I have certain kinds of fatigue, TM seems OK, it is especially nice 
sometimes when I am transitioning out of sleep (this might seem very odd to 
some); at other times I do an analogue of Zazen, which is basically TM without 
a mantra, and not moving. When I am very clear, this kind of meditation does 
not present any resistance. One reason TM fails is it is designed to transcend 
thought; if thought is already 'transcended', it has nothing to do, so 
resistance is experienced because you are trying to do something that is not 
necessary, even if, as the story about this technique goes, the technique is 
supposed to be 'effortless'. 

As the experience of being becomes more pronounced as unity is uncovered, there 
is less and less for techniques to do, and at this point one has to start to 
figure out what to do on one's own. If meditation techniques failed because you 
gave up, the whole enterprise is a failure, but if they failed because 
everything that was supposed to happen more or less happened (the result might 
be somewhat different that what you expected), then you are awake, and the next 
step is integrating what you realised with the rest of your life and nobody can 
tell you how to do this, you have to figure it out for yourself (you know, 
'self-sufficiency'), and this is not a matter of technique: it is a matter of 
insight, balance, and resolve.

There are times too, before awakening, when you get overloaded with spiritual 
crap, and you need a vacation from it. You don't want to talk about it or hear 
about it. You want to do something else for a while. You can still practice 
techniques, you just do not give a damn for a while about what it is all 
supposed to be about. Which is good because it is not about what it is supposed 
to be about. That is the cover story, which is designed to keep you occupied 
while the techniques undermine from below and eventually show you the cover 
story was a fraud.

TM transcends thought inwardly, but eventually inwardly as a direction does not 
exist, roundabout 'cosmic consciousness'. Awakening (unity), transcends your 
whole conceptual world outwardly, and then outwardly as a direction does not 
exist either. At this point meditation becomes at best a maintenance utility, 
and at this point you really do have to get a life to make progress and give 
depth and stability in living seamlessly with what was realised. You have to 
get creative, because the people around you, unless you happen to run into a 
deeply enlightened individual with tonnes of experience, are not going to 
understand what you are experiencing, and their attempts to 'tell you what you 
should do' will just fumble repeatedly.

So, my apologies for butting into this conversation.




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MichaelJackson wrote:


I have done it [TM] occasionally and it feels good once or twice then it kind 
of like J Alex was saying he can't even make himself do it.








 

 

 
 

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2013-09-09 Thread turquoiseb
Posted By:  
s3raphita sez:
  
 That's a classic double-bind.
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
  
  If you even attempt to answer the question, then 
  I become reasonably confident that I no longer 
  need to pay attention to you in this context.

I see it more as a declaration of Maharishi's
My Subjective Experience Rules! rule, other-
wise known as My subjective experience *defines*
the situation. If yours is different, it's wrong.

This is a very useful rule, in that it allows 
those who invoke it to throw around terms like
mantra that only *they* are allowed to define.

It also allows people who haven't actually thought
the mantra they were taught as part of learning
TM in years, or followed the instructions they were
given *when* they learned to claim they're still 
doing TM. 

Very useful rule. 

:-)