, May 13, 2014 9:40 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] A thought -- freely willed -- about determinism
I tend not to agree with Barry about free will, but then this is a subject
whose resolution seems impossible to determine. One of my early spiritual
experiences was about free
words, but they never
do.
From: anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
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Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2014 9:40 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] A thought -- freely willed -- about determinism
I tend
Ha - good story --reminded me of the way Barry reacted, when jr posted that
atheists cannot transcend. Seeing his over the top response, at the time, my
first thought was that Barry has weak experiences, during meditation.
Not a big deal to me, though this self-proclaimed, 'cult
Question is, why would you want to suss out someone's trigger words? Why
would you want to make a person your puppet? What kind of sick ego/power trip
is that?
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As a more serious reply, the effect of language on people is
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote :
Question is, why would you want to suss out someone's trigger words? Why
would you want to make a person your puppet? What kind of sick ego/power trip
is that?
Among the many things Bawee fails to suss out is that it is not
On 5/13/2014 10:03 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:
Uh-oh, Barry's having another ego-crisis. 600-plus words' worth.
So, I wonder what */caused/* Barry to think of that line a 660-word
essay? LoL!
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My thanks to
My thanks to both Judy and Ann for responding on cue to my one-liner, and thus
proving that *they* live in a deterministic universe of their own making. :-)
That was the point of my post, after all. I just thought up the line,
considered it funny, and posted it intentionally using the word
The two perspectives converge if you go far enough back in time and leave out
quantum mechanics.
In fact, the billiard ball playing deity is a very common perspective for
the Natural Philosophers where God created the universe, set up initial
conditions, and stepped aside.
Free Will
It's all just multi-personal, pantheistic solipsism, you know.
L
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :
My thanks to both Judy and Ann for responding on cue to my one-liner, and thus
proving that *they* live in a deterministic universe of their own making. :-)
If I may summarize:
You feel that your ability to enrage and insult others, and for them to
respond in kind, is a hallmark of your ultimate freedom as a human being, your
ability to exert your Free Will, to demonstrate your 'control'.
Actually, it is a fantasy -- All you are, in the eyes
On 5/13/2014 7:20 AM, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:
Actually, it is a fantasy -- All you are, in the eyes of others, is an
unpleasant, and needlessly provocative soul
This, if accurate, is quite a fall from grace. At one time Barry and
Curtis had aspirations to be
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :
If I may summarize:
You feel that your ability to enrage and insult others, and for them to
respond in kind, is a hallmark of your ultimate freedom as a human being, your
ability to exert your Free Will, to
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :
If I may summarize:
You feel that your ability to enrage and insult others, and for them to
respond in kind, is a hallmark of your ultimate freedom as a human being, your
ability to exert your Free Will, to
On 5/12/2014 3:48 PM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
wrote:
Have you ever considered the possibility that those who believe in a
determinist universe are just too dull to imagine the world they see
around them any other way? :-)
Asking the important questions. Apparently
Uh-oh, Barry's having another ego-crisis. 600-plus words' worth.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :
My thanks to both Judy and Ann for responding on cue to my one-liner, and thus
proving that *they* live in a deterministic universe of their own making. :-)
That
Couple comments below...
That was the point of my post, after all. I just thought up the line,
considered it funny, and posted it intentionally using the word determinist
because I knew that Judy would feel she had to respond to it by ragging on
me. And she did. Because *she*
I tend not to agree with Barry about free will, but then this is a subject
whose resolution seems impossible to determine. One of my early spiritual
experiences was about free will and determinism. My interpretation of that
experience was that they were equivalent, like the faces on the same
No. It's that you can't prove either free will or pre-destiny. So why
bother? Enjoy your pattern. :-D
On 05/12/2014 01:48 PM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] wrote:
Have you ever considered the possibility that those who believe in a
determinist universe are just too
FWIW, determinism and predestination are two different things. Predestination
is the doctrine that everything that happens has been destined to happen from
the beginning. Determinism is the doctrine that every action is determined by
the previous action.
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote :
FWIW, determinism and predestination are two different things. Predestination
is the doctrine that everything that happens has been destined to happen from
the beginning. Determinism is the doctrine that every action is determined
Yes, I do know, but actually, I was responding to Bhairitu, not Barry. Really
just a point of possible general interest for anyone following these
discussions.
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