Re: [FairfieldLife] All Beings Enlightened
Earlier on when the meditators first came to Fairfield there was a cult of personality big porkchop kind of guy who was the FSC minister quite full of himself. He'd hold court and pontificate (scapegoated) about the meditators to his followers. They got other people in charge now and seem to be a thriving more integrated church community that likes to put on a good rockin' amplified newage christian show. Her Foursquare Church still exists to this day and claims a membership of 8 million worldwide. You can still visit Angelus Temple on a Sunday for a service but it's a very different congregation to the one that listened to McPherson. Aimee Semple McPherson was one of the most glamorous women in the US in the 1920s. She must of had the most amazing EEG's to look at. Nothing boring about this diva: Had she drowned? Had she staged the ultimate theatrical stunt? Had the weight of her own fame just become too much? Then one day in June she re-emerged in the small town of Agua Prieta on the Mexico-Arizona border. The term Foursquare Gospel comes from the book of Ezekiel, who saw God revealed with four different faces: a man, a lion, an ox and an eagle She was a spellbinding speaker, says Sutton. These were no ordinary sermons - they were more like music hall performances. She had the best actors, the best set designers, the best costumes, the best make-up artists and professional lighting, says Sutton. She would create these stories, these dramas in which biblical stories would come to life. She knew how to use dramatic tricks to draw audiences, and so she turned out to be enormously popular. What made her most popular was her seeming ability to lay hands on the sick and to heal them. http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-30148022 http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-30148022 turquoiseb writes: I should point out that I can actually tolerate narcissistic bores. I studied many years each with Maharishi and Fred Lenz - Rama, after all. What I can't tolerate is unintelligent, uninteresting, buffoonish narcissistic bores. steve.sundur wrote : Barry, this is just a guess, but I really think you have too much time on your hands. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Fleetwood would not be able to convince Barry he is enlightened as Barry regards him as a narcissistic bore. :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] All Beings Enlightened
Aimee Semple McPherson was one of the most glamorous women in the US in the 1920s. She must of had the most amazing EEG's to look at. Nothing boring about this diva: Had she drowned? Had she staged the ultimate theatrical stunt? Had the weight of her own fame just become too much? Then one day in June she re-emerged in the small town of Agua Prieta on the Mexico-Arizona border. The term Foursquare Gospel comes from the book of Ezekiel, who saw God revealed with four different faces: a man, a lion, an ox and an eagle She was a spellbinding speaker, says Sutton. These were no ordinary sermons - they were more like music hall performances. She had the best actors, the best set designers, the best costumes, the best make-up artists and professional lighting, says Sutton. She would create these stories, these dramas in which biblical stories would come to life. She knew how to use dramatic tricks to draw audiences, and so she turned out to be enormously popular. What made her most popular was her seeming ability to lay hands on the sick and to heal them. http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-30148022 http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-30148022 turquoiseb writes: I should point out that I can actually tolerate narcissistic bores. I studied many years each with Maharishi and Fred Lenz - Rama, after all. What I can't tolerate is unintelligent, uninteresting, buffoonish narcissistic bores. steve.sundur wrote : Barry, this is just a guess, but I really think you have too much time on your hands. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Fleetwood would not be able to convince Barry he is enlightened as Barry regards him as a narcissistic bore. :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] All Beings Enlightened
As pointed out by several posters here, only the Turq believes Fleetwood posted as enlightened dawn. The truth of the matter is that anyone claiming enlightenment from TM shakes the Turq's core belief : If I didn't make it no one else can. He choose to forget that his shot at it was half-hearted and lasted only a few years. When someone like Fleetwood comes along he is reminded of a wasted life and as we can see in almost every post here these days, becomes so angry he makes things up to the degree he believes in it. Instead of angry at Fleetwood and Richard reminding this poor fellow of his wasted life he should be grateful. Though 70 years old he could still pick up his mantra and make something useful out of his remaining years. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 11/24/2014 4:21 PM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: The only sense that I can make of it is that Jim had a total mental breakdown during that period, and actually believed he *was* a woman. Maybe it's time for you to just keep your big pie hole shut about Jim. Almost everyone on this forum is pretty fed up with your phoney bullshit, Barry. Do I make myself clear? Over the years, I saw him levitate, as in sitting in lotus and just lifting up off the chair and hovering there in midair for minutes at a time, sometimes telling a joke the whole time. Or in the desert, he'd just step up off the sand and onto a staircase that wasn't there, and just climb up and down it for a while, several feet above the ground. - Barry Wright http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife/yahoogroups.com/msg12287.html http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com/msg12287.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] All Beings Enlightened
No big deal, Richard. I very much understand his anger and frustration, being put under his own spotlight. His choice, and his consequences.:-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 11/24/2014 4:21 PM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: The only sense that I can make of it is that Jim had a total mental breakdown during that period, and actually believed he *was* a woman. Maybe it's time for you to just keep your big pie hole shut about Jim. Almost everyone on this forum is pretty fed up with your phoney bullshit, Barry. Do I make myself clear? Over the years, I saw him levitate, as in sitting in lotus and just lifting up off the chair and hovering there in midair for minutes at a time, sometimes telling a joke the whole time. Or in the desert, he'd just step up off the sand and onto a staircase that wasn't there, and just climb up and down it for a while, several feet above the ground. - Barry Wright http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife/yahoogroups.com/msg12287.html http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com/msg12287.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] All Beings Enlightened
Hey Nabby I do not know if someone became enlightened whether that would shake Turq's core beliefs. We are not really certain of what his beliefs are, in particular because he claims he is only presenting opinions. Also Maharishi said techniques can only take you to what he called god consciousness. And, finally that real enlightenment (brahman) comes 'in time', that is, if it comes. Therefore no practice gets you enlightened, it just sets the stage and then it is a waiting game. Now I have practised a number of different techniques over the years, and each has done something to forward my experience. But the most interesting experiences and the experience of progress came from moments that did not happen while practising a technique. And though TM was the technique I practised most consistently over the longest period of time, it cannot be said in the end, which one produced what experience, all were involved. All the techniques produced an experience of silence, some were far more powerful than TM in producing short periods of intense silence. TM provided a consistent wearing away of certain sorts of obstacles to experience. I would credit it with a large portion the grunt work of wearing away delusion (which includes spiritual delusions as well). Unlike some here I am not adverse to TM, but I also think it does not work well for everyone. I do know someone who I believe has only practised TM and who I regard as awakened. But then I also have known others who did some other things and not TM, who I also regard as awakened. Fleetwood would not be able to convince Barry he is enlightened as Barry regards him as a narcissistic bore. There are many things about enlightenment that Fleetwood ought to be able to understand and he doesn't seem to understand. Now that may be because he is not the most articulate person in the world describing his experience. For example that video on Buddha at the Gas Pump is not an example of subtlety of expression. I think Jim has had some sort of profound awakening experience, but is at least partly misinterpreting its significance, and he seems unwilling to discuss the matter further. But simply saying you are enlightened and are in silence is not a convincing way to go about it, particularly if you use it as a hammer to proclaim others' ignorance and low station on the spiritual ladder. Awakening alone is not enlightenment, a sometimes long period of assimilation and further refinement and adjustments in understanding follows. As for enlightened dawn, I have so far read the first month's worth of enlightened_dawn11's posts. It certainly sounds like Jim/Fleetwood attempting to be some other person. In that first month, 'dawn' did not say he/she was a woman. But some of the posters thought it was a she at first. Vaj first addressed the poster as 'Ms. Enlightened', and further on Barry used the pronoun 'her' in referring to Dawn. Dawn did not correct those impressions. Also Dawn referred to Vaj and Barry as 'Mr. Vaj' and 'Mr. B'. And Dawn brought up the idea that Barry was a bully, just like Jim does. I have not gotten further into all those exchanges, but there is, it seems to me, as far as I have got, that it was easy to get the impression Dawn was a woman and also, that with hindsight, Dawn was Jim, which was the conclusion that Barry came to eventually, and Dawn denied it back then when confronted. Jim posted to the forum the previous year under his own name, and returned as Dawn saying he/she was new to the forum. I have not looked at the final posts Jim made under his own name, or most of the posts that Vaj and Barry made to or about Dawn, so I still have an incomplete picture. This was three or so years before I came onto the forum. I let you draw a conclusion from this brief sketch. Digging this information out of the old files is difficult, but it is kind of interesting, but I have not read enough of it to be completely certain. From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2014 9:14 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] All Beings Enlightened As pointed out by several posters here, only the Turq believes Fleetwood posted as enlightened dawn. The truth of the matter is that anyone claiming enlightenment from TM shakes the Turq's core belief : If I didn't make it no one else can. He choose to forget that his shot at it was half-hearted and lasted only a few years. When someone like Fleetwood comes along he is reminded of a wasted life and as we can see in almost every post here these days, becomes so angry he makes things up to the degree he believes in it. Instead of angry at Fleetwood and Richard reminding this poor fellow of his wasted life he should be grateful. Though 70 years old he could still pick up his mantra and make something useful out of his remaining years. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote
Re: [FairfieldLife] All Beings Enlightened
From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Fleetwood would not be able to convince Barry he is enlightened as Barry regards him as a narcissistic bore. Trying to live up to my reputation for posting coherent and well-thought-out material (not to mention occasional brevity), I should point out that I can actually tolerate narcissistic bores. I studied many years each with Maharishi and Fred Lenz - Rama, after all. What I can't tolerate is unintelligent, uninteresting, buffoonish narcissistic bores. :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] All Beings Enlightened
No problem - Those addicted to The Waking State, always see the enlightened ones as their enemy. It is a fact of life, hence your visceral dislike of both me, and Maharishi. :-) Freddy gets a pass from you though - lol Better to do TM, asap, Barry, than continue this frustration over my enlightenment. Then, at the very least, you will know what you are talking about. For now, your ranting is simply a sad display of your ego-addiction. Jai Guru Dev ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Fleetwood would not be able to convince Barry he is enlightened as Barry regards him as a narcissistic bore. Trying to live up to my reputation for posting coherent and well-thought-out material (not to mention occasional brevity), I should point out that I can actually tolerate narcissistic bores. I studied many years each with Maharishi and Fred Lenz - Rama, after all. What I can't tolerate is unintelligent, uninteresting, buffoonish narcissistic bores. :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] All Beings Enlightened
Being in the waking state is not a matter of addiction, one simply is in it or not. Were it true that those 'addicted to the Waking State' see enlightened ones as their enemy, no guru would ever have a job, because everyone starting out is stuck there. In terms of schemes of enlightenment, a person in deep sleep, dreaming, or waking has no choice in the matter. CC, GC, UC, and BC are also waking states, if you assume these states also exist. The term 'addicted to' is simply to cast aspersion. Those who come to FFL certainly ought to be able to see that those here, enlightened, or on the enlightenment path, or having abandoned the enlightenment path, are all rather unpleasant people, by virtue of what we write, and by virtue of what we write about each other. In person, maybe, some us might be more tolerable. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : No problem - Those addicted to The Waking State, always see the enlightened ones as their enemy. It is a fact of life, hence your visceral dislike of both me, and Maharishi. :-) Freddy gets a pass from you though - lol Better to do TM, asap, Barry, than continue this frustration over my enlightenment. Then, at the very least, you will know what you are talking about. For now, your ranting is simply a sad display of your ego-addiction. Jai Guru Dev ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Fleetwood would not be able to convince Barry he is enlightened as Barry regards him as a narcissistic bore. Trying to live up to my reputation for posting coherent and well-thought-out material (not to mention occasional brevity), I should point out that I can actually tolerate narcissistic bores. I studied many years each with Maharishi and Fred Lenz - Rama, after all. What I can't tolerate is unintelligent, uninteresting, buffoonish narcissistic bores. :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] All Beings Enlightened
Being in the waking state is not a matter of addiction. Spoken like a True Addict!! :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : Being in the waking state is not a matter of addiction, one simply is in it or not. Were it true that those 'addicted to the Waking State' see enlightened ones as their enemy, no guru would ever have a job, because everyone starting out is stuck there. In terms of schemes of enlightenment, a person in deep sleep, dreaming, or waking has no choice in the matter. CC, GC, UC, and BC are also waking states, if you assume these states also exist. The term 'addicted to' is simply to cast aspersion. Those who come to FFL certainly ought to be able to see that those here, enlightened, or on the enlightenment path, or having abandoned the enlightenment path, are all rather unpleasant people, by virtue of what we write, and by virtue of what we write about each other. In person, maybe, some us might be more tolerable. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : No problem - Those addicted to The Waking State, always see the enlightened ones as their enemy. It is a fact of life, hence your visceral dislike of both me, and Maharishi. :-) Freddy gets a pass from you though - lol Better to do TM, asap, Barry, than continue this frustration over my enlightenment. Then, at the very least, you will know what you are talking about. For now, your ranting is simply a sad display of your ego-addiction. Jai Guru Dev ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Fleetwood would not be able to convince Barry he is enlightened as Barry regards him as a narcissistic bore. Trying to live up to my reputation for posting coherent and well-thought-out material (not to mention occasional brevity), I should point out that I can actually tolerate narcissistic bores. I studied many years each with Maharishi and Fred Lenz - Rama, after all. What I can't tolerate is unintelligent, uninteresting, buffoonish narcissistic bores. :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] All Beings Enlightened
On 11/26/2014 10:09 AM, fleetwood_macncheese wrote: No big deal, Richard. I very much understand his anger and frustration, being put under his own spotlight. His choice, and his consequences.:-) /He does kind of make a large target, Jim, and we have it all in writing - I don't even need to make up stuff about him. LoL!/ ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 11/24/2014 4:21 PM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: */The only sense that I can make of it is that Jim had a total mental breakdown during that period, and actually believed he *was* a woman. /* Maybe it's time for you to just keep your big pie hole shut about Jim. Almost everyone on this forum is pretty fed up with your phoney bullshit, Barry. Do I make myself clear? /Over the years, I saw him levitate, as in sitting in lotus and just lifting up off the chair and hovering there in midair for minutes at a time, sometimes telling a joke the whole time. Or in the desert, he'd just step up off the sand and onto a staircase that wasn't there, and just climb up and down it for a while, several feet above the ground.// - /Barry Wright http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife/yahoogroups.com/msg12287.html http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com/msg12287.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] All Beings Enlightened
Barry, this is just a guess, but I really think you have too much time on your hands. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Fleetwood would not be able to convince Barry he is enlightened as Barry regards him as a narcissistic bore. Trying to live up to my reputation for posting coherent and well-thought-out material (not to mention occasional brevity), I should point out that I can actually tolerate narcissistic bores. I studied many years each with Maharishi and Fred Lenz - Rama, after all. What I can't tolerate is unintelligent, uninteresting, buffoonish narcissistic bores. :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] All Beings Enlightened
can you say, flop sweat? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com One of the things mentioned about Buddha's enlightenment is that at that moment he said that 'all beings were simultaneously enlightened with his awakening'. The phrase is translated in different ways but they all basically say the same thing, that with awakening all beings were perceived as enlightened. I presume Jim can clarify what this means. To be honest, I'd rather hear him expostulate on what value posing as a woman for several months had in helping him realize his enlightenment. Is this a technique he would suggest to other people interested in becoming enlightened? And if so, should they cross-dress only when posting on the Internet, or should they dress in drag when at work, shopping, going to church, and on other occasions? I think that many who are interested in enlightenment would also be interested in why, once he achieved his enlightenment by pretending to be a woman for so long, he's never admitted to having done it. One would think that an enlightened being who has come up with such an innovative sadhana as Cross-Dressing For Enlightenment would want to talk it up to all who would listen. What serious seeker would *not* want to know, for example, how Jimbo managed to conceal his occasional dhoti-tents while dressed as a woman. I'm sure they'd also be fascinated to hear how he made his decisions about which public restroom to use, how to dress when swimming in public, etc. It just doesn't feel right that a person who owes his enlightenment to such a revolutionary technique as pretending to be a member of the opposite sex clams up and refuses to talk about it every time the subject comes up. It's almost as if by doing this he's saying, Hey...cross-dressing worked for *me* and was one of the key techniques that allowed me to become so much better and more evolved than all of you. But if you think I'm going to share the secrets of my patented Drag Queen Yoga™ with you for free, fuggedaboudit. You'll have to shell out the big bucks, just like Catholics do when seeking advice from the guys in *that* church who wear dresses. At least Jim posted a couple of real pictures of you. And it's killing you. I know I might rot in hell for this but I'm loving the fact that he made you squirm and you're still squirming.
Re: [FairfieldLife] All Beings Enlightened
On 11/24/2014 4:21 PM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: */The only sense that I can make of it is that Jim had a total mental breakdown during that period, and actually believed he *was* a woman. /* Maybe it's time for you to just keep your big pie hole shut about Jim. Almost everyone on this forum is pretty fed up with your phoney bullshit, Barry. Do I make myself clear? /Over the years, I saw him levitate, as in sitting in lotus and just lifting up off the chair and hovering there in midair for minutes at a time, sometimes telling a joke the whole time. Or in the desert, he'd just step up off the sand and onto a staircase that wasn't there, and just climb up and down it for a while, several feet above the ground.// - /Barry Wright http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife/yahoogroups.com/msg12287.html http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com/msg12287.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] All Beings Enlightened
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 11/24/2014 4:21 PM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: The only sense that I can make of it is that Jim had a total mental breakdown during that period, and actually believed he *was* a woman. Maybe it's time for you to just keep your big pie hole shut about Jim. Almost everyone on this forum is pretty fed up with your phoney bullshit, Barry. Do I make myself clear? How could you speak to a 'fly on the wall' polyamorous person like that, Richard? Shame on you! Over the years, I saw him levitate, as in sitting in lotus and just lifting up off the chair and hovering there in midair for minutes at a time, sometimes telling a joke the whole time. Or in the desert, he'd just step up off the sand and onto a staircase that wasn't there, and just climb up and down it for a while, several feet above the ground. - Barry Wright http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife/yahoogroups.com/msg12287.html http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com/msg12287.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] All Beings Enlightened
From: anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
One of the things mentioned about Buddha's enlightenment is that at that
moment he said that 'all beings were simultaneously enlightened with his
awakening'. The phrase is translated in different ways but they all basically
say the same thing, that with awakening all beings were perceived as
enlightened.
I presume Jim can clarify what this means.
To be honest, I'd rather hear him expostulate on what value posing as a woman
for several months had in helping him realize his enlightenment.
Is this a technique he would suggest to other people interested in becoming
enlightened? And if so, should they cross-dress only when posting on the
Internet, or should they dress in drag when at work, shopping, going to church,
and on other occasions?
I think that many who are interested in enlightenment would also be interested
in why, once he achieved his enlightenment by pretending to be a woman for so
long, he's never admitted to having done it. One would think that an
enlightened being who has come up with such an innovative sadhana as
Cross-Dressing For Enlightenment would want to talk it up to all who would
listen.
What serious seeker would *not* want to know, for example, how Jimbo managed to
conceal his occasional dhoti-tents while dressed as a woman. I'm sure they'd
also be fascinated to hear how he made his decisions about which public
restroom to use, how to dress when swimming in public, etc.
It just doesn't feel right that a person who owes his enlightenment to such a
revolutionary technique as pretending to be a member of the opposite sex clams
up and refuses to talk about it every time the subject comes up. It's almost
as if by doing this he's saying, Hey...cross-dressing worked for *me* and was
one of the key techniques that allowed me to become so much better and more
evolved than all of you. But if you think I'm going to share the secrets of my
patented Drag Queen Yoga™ with you for free, fuggedaboudit. You'll have to
shell out the big bucks, just like Catholics do when seeking advice from the
guys in *that* church who wear dresses.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] All Beings Enlightened
The problem with this post is that now any tricky ego on FFL can hijack this
*new* definition of enlightenment and run with it because of course it sees all
beings as enlightened ON THE DEEPEST LEVEL lol (-:
From: anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 8:43 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] All Beings Enlightened
One of the things mentioned about Buddha's enlightenment is that at that
moment he said that 'all beings were simultaneously enlightened with his
awakening'. The phrase is translated in different ways but they all basically
say the same thing, that with awakening all beings were perceived as
enlightened.
I presume Jim can clarify what this means.!--#yiv7312180180
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Re: [FairfieldLife] All Beings Enlightened
To be honest, I'd rather hear him expostulate on what value posing as a woman
for several months had in helping him realize his enlightenment.
Is this a technique he would suggest to other people interested in becoming
enlightened? And if so, should they cross-dress only when posting on the
Internet, or should they dress in drag when at work, shopping, going to church,
and on other occasions?
I think that many who are interested in enlightenment would also be interested
in why, once he achieved his enlightenment by pretending to be a woman for so
long, he's never admitted to having done it. One would think that an
enlightened being who has come up with such an innovative sadhana as
Cross-Dressing For Enlightenment would want to talk it up to all who would
listen.
What serious seeker would *not* want to know, for example, how Jimbo managed to
conceal his occasional dhoti-tents while dressed as a woman. I'm sure they'd
also be fascinated to hear how he made his decisions about which public
restroom to use, how to dress when swimming in public, etc.
It just doesn't feel right that a person who owes his enlightenment to such a
revolutionary technique as pretending to be a member of the opposite sex clams
up and refuses to talk about it every time the subject comes up. It's almost
as if by doing this he's saying, Hey...cross-dressing worked for *me* and was
one of the key techniques that allowed me to become so much better and more
evolved than all of you. But if you think I'm going to share the secrets of my
patented Drag Queen Yoga™ with you for free, fuggedaboudit. You'll have to
shell out the big bucks, just like Catholics do when seeking advice from the
guys in *that* church who wear dresses.
From: anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 3:43 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] All Beings Enlightened
One of the things mentioned about Buddha's enlightenment is that at that
moment he said that 'all beings were simultaneously enlightened with his
awakening'. The phrase is translated in different ways but they all basically
say the same thing, that with awakening all beings were perceived as
enlightened.
I presume Jim can clarify what this means.!--#yiv0145929357
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Re: [FairfieldLife] All Beings Enlightened
Isn't it fascinating that after all these years Jim Flanegin STILL can't admit
that he posed as a woman here on Fairfield Life for several months, posting as
enlightened_dawn all that time?
One *really* has to wonder 1) what the fuck he was *thinking* doing that, and
for so long, and 2) what is wrong with his supporters that they manage to
ignore it. It's really the biggest elephant in the room display of denial and
cognitive dissonance in the history of the forum, even bigger than Robin
Carlsen trying to continue denying that he'd hit his students, immediately
after having admitted it.
The only sense that I can make of it is that Jim had a total mental breakdown
during that period, and actually believed he *was* a woman.
When you think about it, that's no weirder than convincing himself he's
enlightened.
Whatever. Bottom line is that it's probably a good thing he's living way out in
the boonies now, where he can't hurt anyone if he has another similar breakdown.
From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com I
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 5:25 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] All Beings Enlightened
From: anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
One of the things mentioned about Buddha's enlightenment is that at that
moment he said that 'all beings were simultaneously enlightened with his
awakening'. The phrase is translated in different ways but they all basically
say the same thing, that with awakening all beings were perceived as
enlightened.
I presume Jim can clarify what this means.
To be honest, I'd rather hear him expostulate on what value posing as a woman
for several months had in helping him realize his enlightenment.
Is this a technique he would suggest to other people interested in becoming
enlightened? And if so, should they cross-dress only when posting on the
Internet, or should they dress in drag when at work, shopping, going to church,
and on other occasions?
I think that many who are interested in enlightenment would also be interested
in why, once he achieved his enlightenment by pretending to be a woman for so
long, he's never admitted to having done it. One would think that an
enlightened being who has come up with such an innovative sadhana as
Cross-Dressing For Enlightenment would want to talk it up to all who would
listen.
What serious seeker would *not* want to know, for example, how Jimbo managed to
conceal his occasional dhoti-tents while dressed as a woman. I'm sure they'd
also be fascinated to hear how he made his decisions about which public
restroom to use, how to dress when swimming in public, etc.
It just doesn't feel right that a person who owes his enlightenment to such a
revolutionary technique as pretending to be a member of the opposite sex clams
up and refuses to talk about it every time the subject comes up. It's almost
as if by doing this he's saying, Hey...cross-dressing worked for *me* and was
one of the key techniques that allowed me to become so much better and more
evolved than all of you. But if you think I'm going to share the secrets of my
patented Drag Queen Yoga™ with you for free, fuggedaboudit. You'll have to
shell out the big bucks, just like Catholics do when seeking advice from the
guys in *that* church who wear dresses.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] All Beings Enlightened
crickets, dude. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Isn't it fascinating that after all these years Jim Flanegin STILL can't admit that he posed as a woman here on Fairfield Life for several months, posting as enlightened_dawn all that time? One *really* has to wonder 1) what the fuck he was *thinking* doing that, and for so long, and 2) what is wrong with his supporters that they manage to ignore it. It's really the biggest elephant in the room display of denial and cognitive dissonance in the history of the forum, even bigger than Robin Carlsen trying to continue denying that he'd hit his students, immediately after having admitted it. The only sense that I can make of it is that Jim had a total mental breakdown during that period, and actually believed he *was* a woman. When you think about it, that's no weirder than convincing himself he's enlightened. Whatever. Bottom line is that it's probably a good thing he's living way out in the boonies now, where he can't hurt anyone if he has another similar breakdown. From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com I Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 5:25 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] All Beings Enlightened From: anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com One of the things mentioned about Buddha's enlightenment is that at that moment he said that 'all beings were simultaneously enlightened with his awakening'. The phrase is translated in different ways but they all basically say the same thing, that with awakening all beings were perceived as enlightened. I presume Jim can clarify what this means. To be honest, I'd rather hear him expostulate on what value posing as a woman for several months had in helping him realize his enlightenment. Is this a technique he would suggest to other people interested in becoming enlightened? And if so, should they cross-dress only when posting on the Internet, or should they dress in drag when at work, shopping, going to church, and on other occasions? I think that many who are interested in enlightenment would also be interested in why, once he achieved his enlightenment by pretending to be a woman for so long, he's never admitted to having done it. One would think that an enlightened being who has come up with such an innovative sadhana as Cross-Dressing For Enlightenment would want to talk it up to all who would listen. What serious seeker would *not* want to know, for example, how Jimbo managed to conceal his occasional dhoti-tents while dressed as a woman. I'm sure they'd also be fascinated to hear how he made his decisions about which public restroom to use, how to dress when swimming in public, etc. It just doesn't feel right that a person who owes his enlightenment to such a revolutionary technique as pretending to be a member of the opposite sex clams up and refuses to talk about it every time the subject comes up. It's almost as if by doing this he's saying, Hey...cross-dressing worked for *me* and was one of the key techniques that allowed me to become so much better and more evolved than all of you. But if you think I'm going to share the secrets of my patented Drag Queen Yoga™ with you for free, fuggedaboudit. You'll have to shell out the big bucks, just like Catholics do when seeking advice from the guys in *that* church who wear dresses.
Re: [FairfieldLife] All Beings Enlightened
turq, I've always assumed that Fleetwood's dawn name meant something like
enlightened sunrise.
From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 4:21 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] All Beings Enlightened
Isn't it fascinating that after all these years Jim Flanegin STILL can't
admit that he posed as a woman here on Fairfield Life for several months,
posting as enlightened_dawn all that time?
One *really* has to wonder 1) what the fuck he was *thinking* doing that, and
for so long, and 2) what is wrong with his supporters that they manage to
ignore it. It's really the biggest elephant in the room display of denial and
cognitive dissonance in the history of the forum, even bigger than Robin
Carlsen trying to continue denying that he'd hit his students, immediately
after having admitted it.
The only sense that I can make of it is that Jim had a total mental breakdown
during that period, and actually believed he *was* a woman.
When you think about it, that's no weirder than convincing himself he's
enlightened.
Whatever. Bottom line is that it's probably a good thing he's living way out in
the boonies now, where he can't hurt anyone if he has another similar breakdown.
From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com I
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 5:25 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] All Beings Enlightened
From: anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
One of the things mentioned about Buddha's enlightenment is that at that
moment he said that 'all beings were simultaneously enlightened with his
awakening'. The phrase is translated in different ways but they all basically
say the same thing, that with awakening all beings were perceived as
enlightened.
I presume Jim can clarify what this means.
To be honest, I'd rather hear him expostulate on what value posing as a woman
for several months had in helping him realize his enlightenment.
Is this a technique he would suggest to other people interested in becoming
enlightened? And if so, should they cross-dress only when posting on the
Internet, or should they dress in drag when at work, shopping, going to church,
and on other occasions?
I think that many who are interested in enlightenment would also be interested
in why, once he achieved his enlightenment by pretending to be a woman for so
long, he's never admitted to having done it. One would think that an
enlightened being who has come up with such an innovative sadhana as
Cross-Dressing For Enlightenment would want to talk it up to all who would
listen.
What serious seeker would *not* want to know, for example, how Jimbo managed to
conceal his occasional dhoti-tents while dressed as a woman. I'm sure they'd
also be fascinated to hear how he made his decisions about which public
restroom to use, how to dress when swimming in public, etc.
It just doesn't feel right that a person who owes his enlightenment to such a
revolutionary technique as pretending to be a member of the opposite sex clams
up and refuses to talk about it every time the subject comes up. It's almost
as if by doing this he's saying, Hey...cross-dressing worked for *me* and was
one of the key techniques that allowed me to become so much better and more
evolved than all of you. But if you think I'm going to share the secrets of my
patented Drag Queen Yoga™ with you for free, fuggedaboudit. You'll have to
shell out the big bucks, just like Catholics do when seeking advice from the
guys in *that* church who wear dresses.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] All Beings Enlightened
That is one interpretation, but I have started to read some of those old posts. I have not found the part where Jim supposedly says he is a woman as search is really only partially functional in Neo, and not much better in the archive, but Barry ragged on him about it back then. And Jim denied that enlightened_dawn11 was him, and also said, as enlightened_dawn11, that he/she was new to the forum, even though Jim seemed to have been on the forum for about a year before that under his own name. So my research is incomplete, and I will be busy for the next few days, so I do not know when I will have time to read more of that. The exchanges between Barry and Jim back then seem pretty much the way they run now. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : turq, I've always assumed that Fleetwood's dawn name meant something like enlightened sunrise. From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 4:21 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] All Beings Enlightened Isn't it fascinating that after all these years Jim Flanegin STILL can't admit that he posed as a woman here on Fairfield Life for several months, posting as enlightened_dawn all that time? One *really* has to wonder 1) what the fuck he was *thinking* doing that, and for so long, and 2) what is wrong with his supporters that they manage to ignore it. It's really the biggest elephant in the room display of denial and cognitive dissonance in the history of the forum, even bigger than Robin Carlsen trying to continue denying that he'd hit his students, immediately after having admitted it. The only sense that I can make of it is that Jim had a total mental breakdown during that period, and actually believed he *was* a woman. When you think about it, that's no weirder than convincing himself he's enlightened. Whatever. Bottom line is that it's probably a good thing he's living way out in the boonies now, where he can't hurt anyone if he has another similar breakdown. From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com I Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 5:25 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] All Beings Enlightened From: anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com One of the things mentioned about Buddha's enlightenment is that at that moment he said that 'all beings were simultaneously enlightened with his awakening'. The phrase is translated in different ways but they all basically say the same thing, that with awakening all beings were perceived as enlightened. I presume Jim can clarify what this means. To be honest, I'd rather hear him expostulate on what value posing as a woman for several months had in helping him realize his enlightenment. Is this a technique he would suggest to other people interested in becoming enlightened? And if so, should they cross-dress only when posting on the Internet, or should they dress in drag when at work, shopping, going to church, and on other occasions? I think that many who are interested in enlightenment would also be interested in why, once he achieved his enlightenment by pretending to be a woman for so long, he's never admitted to having done it. One would think that an enlightened being who has come up with such an innovative sadhana as Cross-Dressing For Enlightenment would want to talk it up to all who would listen. What serious seeker would *not* want to know, for example, how Jimbo managed to conceal his occasional dhoti-tents while dressed as a woman. I'm sure they'd also be fascinated to hear how he made his decisions about which public restroom to use, how to dress when swimming in public, etc. It just doesn't feel right that a person who owes his enlightenment to such a revolutionary technique as pretending to be a member of the opposite sex clams up and refuses to talk about it every time the subject comes up. It's almost as if by doing this he's saying, Hey...cross-dressing worked for *me* and was one of the key techniques that allowed me to become so much better and more evolved than all of you. But if you think I'm going to share the secrets of my patented Drag Queen Yoga™ with you for free, fuggedaboudit. You'll have to shell out the big bucks, just like Catholics do when seeking advice from the guys in *that* church who wear dresses.
Re: [FairfieldLife] All Beings Enlightened
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com One of the things mentioned about Buddha's enlightenment is that at that moment he said that 'all beings were simultaneously enlightened with his awakening'. The phrase is translated in different ways but they all basically say the same thing, that with awakening all beings were perceived as enlightened. I presume Jim can clarify what this means. To be honest, I'd rather hear him expostulate on what value posing as a woman for several months had in helping him realize his enlightenment. Is this a technique he would suggest to other people interested in becoming enlightened? And if so, should they cross-dress only when posting on the Internet, or should they dress in drag when at work, shopping, going to church, and on other occasions? I think that many who are interested in enlightenment would also be interested in why, once he achieved his enlightenment by pretending to be a woman for so long, he's never admitted to having done it. One would think that an enlightened being who has come up with such an innovative sadhana as Cross-Dressing For Enlightenment would want to talk it up to all who would listen. What serious seeker would *not* want to know, for example, how Jimbo managed to conceal his occasional dhoti-tents while dressed as a woman. I'm sure they'd also be fascinated to hear how he made his decisions about which public restroom to use, how to dress when swimming in public, etc. It just doesn't feel right that a person who owes his enlightenment to such a revolutionary technique as pretending to be a member of the opposite sex clams up and refuses to talk about it every time the subject comes up. It's almost as if by doing this he's saying, Hey...cross-dressing worked for *me* and was one of the key techniques that allowed me to become so much better and more evolved than all of you. But if you think I'm going to share the secrets of my patented Drag Queen Yoga™ with you for free, fuggedaboudit. You'll have to shell out the big bucks, just like Catholics do when seeking advice from the guys in *that* church who wear dresses. At least Jim posted a couple of real pictures of you. And it's killing you. I know I might rot in hell for this but I'm loving the fact that he made you squirm and you're still squirming.
Re: [FairfieldLife] All Beings Enlightened
heh - If I were Barry, I would be calling you an obsessive nut job, or worse, right about now. But, I'm not. On the plus side, though, through this new, more confrontational style of yours, I think I detect your testicles beginning to descend. Its a good sign. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : That is one interpretation, but I have started to read some of those old posts. I have not found the part where Jim supposedly says he is a woman as search is really only partially functional in Neo, and not much better in the archive, but Barry ragged on him about it back then. And Jim denied that enlightened_dawn11 was him, and also said, as enlightened_dawn11, that he/she was new to the forum, even though Jim seemed to have been on the forum for about a year before that under his own name. So my research is incomplete, and I will be busy for the next few days, so I do not know when I will have time to read more of that. The exchanges between Barry and Jim back then seem pretty much the way they run now. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : turq, I've always assumed that Fleetwood's dawn name meant something like enlightened sunrise. From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 4:21 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] All Beings Enlightened Isn't it fascinating that after all these years Jim Flanegin STILL can't admit that he posed as a woman here on Fairfield Life for several months, posting as enlightened_dawn all that time? One *really* has to wonder 1) what the fuck he was *thinking* doing that, and for so long, and 2) what is wrong with his supporters that they manage to ignore it. It's really the biggest elephant in the room display of denial and cognitive dissonance in the history of the forum, even bigger than Robin Carlsen trying to continue denying that he'd hit his students, immediately after having admitted it. The only sense that I can make of it is that Jim had a total mental breakdown during that period, and actually believed he *was* a woman. When you think about it, that's no weirder than convincing himself he's enlightened. Whatever. Bottom line is that it's probably a good thing he's living way out in the boonies now, where he can't hurt anyone if he has another similar breakdown. From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com I Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 5:25 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] All Beings Enlightened From: anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com One of the things mentioned about Buddha's enlightenment is that at that moment he said that 'all beings were simultaneously enlightened with his awakening'. The phrase is translated in different ways but they all basically say the same thing, that with awakening all beings were perceived as enlightened. I presume Jim can clarify what this means. To be honest, I'd rather hear him expostulate on what value posing as a woman for several months had in helping him realize his enlightenment. Is this a technique he would suggest to other people interested in becoming enlightened? And if so, should they cross-dress only when posting on the Internet, or should they dress in drag when at work, shopping, going to church, and on other occasions? I think that many who are interested in enlightenment would also be interested in why, once he achieved his enlightenment by pretending to be a woman for so long, he's never admitted to having done it. One would think that an enlightened being who has come up with such an innovative sadhana as Cross-Dressing For Enlightenment would want to talk it up to all who would listen. What serious seeker would *not* want to know, for example, how Jimbo managed to conceal his occasional dhoti-tents while dressed as a woman. I'm sure they'd also be fascinated to hear how he made his decisions about which public restroom to use, how to dress when swimming in public, etc. It just doesn't feel right that a person who owes his enlightenment to such a revolutionary technique as pretending to be a member of the opposite sex clams up and refuses to talk about it every time the subject comes up. It's almost as if by doing this he's saying, Hey...cross-dressing worked for *me* and was one of the key techniques that allowed me to become so much better and more evolved than all of you. But if you think I'm going to share the secrets of my patented Drag Queen Yoga™ with you for free, fuggedaboudit. You'll have to shell out the big bucks, just like Catholics do when seeking advice from the guys in *that* church who wear dresses.
