Re: [FairfieldLife] FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-23 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
There are some who might suggest that Judy realizing her fantasy of hooking up 
with Robin in Toronto would *BE* JR's predicted horrible accident.  :-)  :-)  
:-)




 From: steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2014 4:47 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of 
mental illness
 


  
Is it possible, she may have found true love in Toronto?



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :


You forget, JR claimed that according to Judy's jyotish she had met with some 
horrible accident.




 From: dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 9:28 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form
of mental illness



 
?
“..the role of principle Barry hater - and you have to admire the
gusto!”  
No,
we all rate posts as we may read them on spectrum; from posts that
make: Observations, to suggestions, to criticism, by negativity and
tone, to apostasy, thence to active anger and hating.  In reading these posts I
feel Ann through reading the individual postings here simply lost some faith 
more in Turq by her better understanding of his writing and approach here after 
reading the
Lenz book that was posted here.  It is that simple also. 
 I always
read the Turq and feel he has a valid perspective from having 'been
there' at a time, by his contrast with spiritual experience like
Fleet's, and now I feel I have an even better understanding of him as
a critic from this recent Freddy Lenz/Rama thread on FFL.  Context often
is everything.  

That
is something that is particularly good about the writing on FFL, that
it often can render down what is truth.  Judy was very much part of
that process when she was here.  Ann also helps with that by virtue
of her mind about things and by life experience as context about
things here.  Some here have been pricks and Ann may be prickly towards people 
at
times.  Rick seems to welcome almost  everyone contributing to the
related topics of FairfieldLife.   I thank Rick for that.  Public
forum is often one of the best checks against theocratic tyranny.  

There
was an amazing open meeting last night in meditating Fairfield where
everything was on the table in front of a bunch of the higher-up apparatchiks 
of the new TM movement.  For  upward pressures on the organization
being beyond theocratic control, FFL has long been a part of the calculus of 
the meditating Fairfield communal culture.  
There
is a lot of change going on inside right now by virtue of the
attention of public forum.  Turq in his way has been part of that for
years by force of his experience, personality and writing.  I would
miss him if he gets entirely hounded or completely embarrassed off of
this forum.  In the same way I feel it was really mean the way they
hounded Judy personally off this list and out of this community.
Rick and the moderators should have stopped that before the end.  
I
would hope we could all be kinder with one another in process.  
Jai
Guru Dev,  
-Buck
in the Dome 





Re: [FairfieldLife] FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-23 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
Oh wow. That makes me happy. 

 I sent her a query via the only email address I have and never got a response.
 

 If she responds further, please say hi.
 

 L
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 Why? Its enough for me to know your prediction/projection of her demise/ and 
or serious injury was dead wrong.

 

 Calm down gentlemen. I simply asked Judy to respond in some small way to 
whether she was okay and if she needed something from me as we here at FFL 
hadn't heard from her for a while. This was over two months ago. She responded 
with two words, Don't worry. That is enough for me. If she needed my 
assistance in some way she would have asked for it. I am not sure her choice to 
stop posting here should be a platform for whether jyotish is valid or not. We 
can only deduce a couple of things from this small reply I got and those are: 
1) she appears to be alive 2) she can still type. For whatever reason she has 
taken a powder and good for her.  
 

 
 









 


 













Re: [FairfieldLife] FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-22 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
You forget, JR claimed that according to Judy's jyotish she had met with some 
horrible accident.




 From: dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 9:28 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental 
illness
 


  
? “..the role of principle Barry hater - and you have to admire the
gusto!”   
No,
we all rate posts as we may read them on spectrum; from posts that
make: Observations, to suggestions, to criticism, by negativity and
tone, to apostasy, thence to active anger and hating.  In reading these posts I
feel Ann through reading the individual postings here simply lost some faith 
more in Turq by her better understanding of his writing and approach here after 
reading the
Lenz book that was posted here.  It is that simple also. 
 I always
read the Turq and feel he has a valid perspective from having 'been
there' at a time, by his contrast with spiritual experience like
Fleet's, and now I feel I have an even better understanding of him as
a critic from this recent Freddy Lenz/Rama thread on FFL.  Context often
is everything.  

That
is something that is particularly good about the writing on FFL, that
it often can render down what is truth.  Judy was very much part of
that process when she was here.  Ann also helps with that by virtue
of her mind about things and by life experience as context about
things here.  Some here have been pricks and Ann may be prickly towards people 
at
times.  Rick seems to welcome almost  everyone contributing to the
related topics of FairfieldLife.   I thank Rick for that.  Public
forum is often one of the best checks against theocratic tyranny.  

There
was an amazing open meeting last night in meditating Fairfield where
everything was on the table in front of a bunch of the higher-up apparatchiks 
of the new TM movement.  For  upward pressures on the organization
being beyond theocratic control, FFL has long been a part of the calculus of 
the meditating Fairfield communal culture.  
There
is a lot of change going on inside right now by virtue of the
attention of public forum.  Turq in his way has been part of that for
years by force of his experience, personality and writing.  I would
miss him if he gets entirely hounded or completely embarrassed off of
this forum.  In the same way I feel it was really mean the way they
hounded Judy personally off this list and out of this community. 
Rick and the moderators should have stopped that before the end.  
I
would hope we could all be kinder with one another in process.  
Jai
Guru Dev,  
-Buck
in the Dome  



Re: [FairfieldLife] FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-22 Thread Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
I agree, Buck, it was an amazing meeting last night. I thought the moderator 
did an incredible job of guiding the huge group so that everyone got to share a 
lot, and many wonderful, practical ideas came out. At one point I felt so much 
gratitude to be a part of this community that is growing in spite of so many 
inner and outer challenges.
 

 On Wednesday, October 22, 2014 8:29 AM, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com 
[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
   

     ? “..the role of principle Barry hater - and you have to admire thegusto!” 
 No,we all rate posts as we may read them on spectrum; from posts thatmake: 
Observations, to suggestions, to criticism, by negativity andtone, to apostasy, 
thence to active anger and hating. In reading these posts Ifeel Ann through 
reading the individual postings here simply lost some faith more in Turq by her 
better understanding of his writing and approach here after reading theLenz 
book that was posted here. It is that simple also.  I alwaysread the Turq and 
feel he has a valid perspective from having 'beenthere' at a time, by his 
contrast with spiritual experience likeFleet's, and now I feel I have an even 
better understanding of him asa critic from this recent Freddy Lenz/Rama thread 
on FFL. Context oftenis everything. 
Thatis something that is particularly good about the writing on FFL, thatit 
often can render down what is truth. Judy was very much part ofthat process 
when she was here. Ann also helps with that by virtueof her mind about things 
and by life experience as context aboutthings here. Some here have been pricks 
and Ann may be prickly towards people attimes.  Rick seems to welcome almost 
everyone contributing to therelated topics of FairfieldLife. I thank Rick for 
that. Publicforum is often one of the best checks against theocratic tyranny. 
Therewas an amazing open meeting last night in meditating Fairfield 
whereeverything was on the table in front of a bunch of the higher-up 
apparatchiks of the new TM movement. For upward pressures on the 
organizationbeing beyond theocratic control, FFL has long been a part of the 
calculus of the meditating Fairfield communal culture. Thereis a lot of change 
going on inside right now by virtue of theattention of public forum. Turq in 
his way has been part of that foryears by force of his experience, personality 
and writing. I wouldmiss him if he gets entirely hounded or completely 
embarrassed off ofthis forum. In the same way I feel it was really mean the way 
theyhounded Judy personally off this list and out of this community. Rick and 
the moderators should have stopped that before the end. Iwould hope we could 
all be kinder with one another in process. JaiGuru Dev, -Buckin the Dome 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-22 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On 10/22/2014 9:01 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:
You forget, JR claimed that according to Judy's jyotish she had met 
with some horrible accident.


/This is a case in point. Never pass up a tragedy if you think it will 
help you win a religious debate. Thanks, Michael, for making Buck's case 
so clear. You are the gift that keeps on giving./





*From:* dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com

*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Wednesday, October 22, 2014 9:28 AM
*Subject:* [FairfieldLife] FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form 
of mental illness


? “..the role of principle Barry hater - and you have to admire the 
gusto!”
No, we all rate posts as we may read them on spectrum; from posts that 
make: Observations, to suggestions, to criticism, by negativity and 
tone, to apostasy, thence to active anger and hating. In reading these 
posts I feel Ann through reading the individual postings here simply 
lost some faith more in Turq by her better understanding of his 
writing and approach here after reading the Lenz book that was posted 
here. It is that simple also.
 I always read the Turq and feel he has a valid perspective from 
having 'been there' at a time, by his contrast with spiritual 
experience like Fleet's, and now I feel I have an even better 
understanding of him as a critic from this recent Freddy Lenz/Rama 
thread on FFL. Context often is everything.


That is something that is particularly good about the writing on FFL, 
that it often can render down what is truth. Judy was very much part 
of that process when she was here. Ann also helps with that by virtue 
of her mind about things and by life experience as context about 
things here. Some here have been pricks and Ann may be prickly towards 
people at times.  Rick seems to welcome almost everyone contributing 
to the related topics of FairfieldLife. I thank Rick for that. Public 
forum is often one of the best checks against theocratic tyranny.


There was an amazing open meeting last night in meditating Fairfield 
where everything was on the table in front of a bunch of the higher-up 
apparatchiks of the new TM movement. For upward pressures on the 
organization being beyond theocratic control, FFL has long been a part 
of the calculus of the meditating Fairfield communal culture.
There is a lot of change going on inside right now by virtue of the 
attention of public forum. Turq in his way has been part of that for 
years by force of his experience, personality and writing. I would 
miss him if he gets entirely hounded or completely embarrassed off of 
this forum. In the same way I feel it was really mean the way they 
hounded Judy personally off this list and out of this community. Rick 
and the moderators should have stopped that before the end.

I would hope we could all be kinder with one another in process.
Jai Guru Dev,
-Buck in the Dome








Re: [FairfieldLife] FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-22 Thread jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
MJ, 

 I did a prashna chart about Judy's whereabouts.  I don't have her birth chart.
 

 However, Ann claims that she heard from the horses mouth that Judy is okay.  
We should get more clarification about this from Ann as to why Judy left.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 You forget, JR claimed that according to Judy's jyotish she had met with some 
horrible accident.

 

 From: dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 9:28 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental 
illness
 
 
   ? “..the role of principle Barry hater - and you have to admire the gusto!”  
 No, we all rate posts as we may read them on spectrum; from posts that make: 
Observations, to suggestions, to criticism, by negativity and tone, to 
apostasy, thence to active anger and hating. In reading these posts I feel Ann 
through reading the individual postings here simply lost some faith more in 
Turq by her better understanding of his writing and approach here after reading 
the Lenz book that was posted here. It is that simple also. 
  I always read the Turq and feel he has a valid perspective from having 'been 
there' at a time, by his contrast with spiritual experience like Fleet's, and 
now I feel I have an even better understanding of him as a critic from this 
recent Freddy Lenz/Rama thread on FFL. Context often is everything. 
 
 
 That is something that is particularly good about the writing on FFL, that it 
often can render down what is truth. Judy was very much part of that process 
when she was here. Ann also helps with that by virtue of her mind about things 
and by life experience as context about things here. Some here have been pricks 
and Ann may be prickly towards people at times.  Rick seems to welcome almost 
everyone contributing to the related topics of FairfieldLife. I thank Rick for 
that. Public forum is often one of the best checks against theocratic tyranny. 
 
 
 There was an amazing open meeting last night in meditating Fairfield where 
everything was on the table in front of a bunch of the higher-up apparatchiks 
of the new TM movement. For upward pressures on the organization being beyond 
theocratic control, FFL has long been a part of the calculus of the meditating 
Fairfield communal culture. 
 There is a lot of change going on inside right now by virtue of the attention 
of public forum. Turq in his way has been part of that for years by force of 
his experience, personality and writing. I would miss him if he gets entirely 
hounded or completely embarrassed off of this forum. In the same way I feel it 
was really mean the way they hounded Judy personally off this list and out of 
this community. Rick and the moderators should have stopped that before the 
end. 
 I would hope we could all be kinder with one another in process. 
 Jai Guru Dev, 
 -Buck in the Dome 
 


 


 












Re: [FairfieldLife] FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-22 Thread Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]
Judy posted her birth data on a.m.t years ago.  In fact I think it was 
discussed in one of Chakrapani's sessions here in the Bay Area back in 
the late 1990s.


On 10/22/2014 12:45 PM, jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:


MJ,


I did a prashna chart about Judy's whereabouts.  I don't have her 
birth chart.


However, Ann claims that she heard from the horses mouth that Judy 
is okay.  We should get more clarification about this from Ann as to 
why Judy left.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

You forget, JR claimed that according to Judy's jyotish she had met 
with some horrible accident.



*From:* dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com

*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Wednesday, October 22, 2014 9:28 AM
*Subject:* [FairfieldLife] FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form 
of mental illness


? “..the role of principle Barry hater - and you have to admire the 
gusto!”
No, we all rate posts as we may read them on spectrum; from posts that 
make: Observations, to suggestions, to criticism, by negativity and 
tone, to apostasy, thence to active anger and hating. In reading these 
posts I feel Ann through reading the individual postings here simply 
lost some faith more in Turq by her better understanding of his 
writing and approach here after reading the Lenz book that was posted 
here. It is that simple also.
 I always read the Turq and feel he has a valid perspective from 
having 'been there' at a time, by his contrast with spiritual 
experience like Fleet's, and now I feel I have an even better 
understanding of him as a critic from this recent Freddy Lenz/Rama 
thread on FFL. Context often is everything.


That is something that is particularly good about the writing on FFL, 
that it often can render down what is truth. Judy was very much part 
of that process when she was here. Ann also helps with that by virtue 
of her mind about things and by life experience as context about 
things here. Some here have been pricks and Ann may be prickly towards 
people at times.  Rick seems to welcome almost everyone contributing 
to the related topics of FairfieldLife. I thank Rick for that. Public 
forum is often one of the best checks against theocratic tyranny.


There was an amazing open meeting last night in meditating Fairfield 
where everything was on the table in front of a bunch of the higher-up 
apparatchiks of the new TM movement. For upward pressures on the 
organization being beyond theocratic control, FFL has long been a part 
of the calculus of the meditating Fairfield communal culture.
There is a lot of change going on inside right now by virtue of the 
attention of public forum. Turq in his way has been part of that for 
years by force of his experience, personality and writing. I would 
miss him if he gets entirely hounded or completely embarrassed off of 
this forum. In the same way I feel it was really mean the way they 
hounded Judy personally off this list and out of this community. Rick 
and the moderators should have stopped that before the end.

I would hope we could all be kinder with one another in process.
Jai Guru Dev,
-Buck in the Dome








Re: [FairfieldLife] FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-22 Thread jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
What did Chakrapani say about her?
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote :

 Judy posted her birth data on a.m.t years ago.  In fact I think it was 
discussed in one of Chakrapani's sessions here in the Bay Area back in the late 
1990s.
 
 On 10/22/2014 12:45 PM, jr_esq@... mailto:jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] wrote:
 
   MJ,
 

 I did a prashna chart about Judy's whereabouts.  I don't have her birth chart.
 

 However, Ann claims that she heard from the horses mouth that Judy is okay.  
We should get more clarification about this from Ann as to why Judy left.
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
mjackson74@... mailto:mjackson74@... wrote :
 
 You forget, JR claimed that according to Judy's jyotish she had met with some 
horrible accident.
 
 

 From: dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] 
mailto:dhamiltony2k5@...[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 9:28 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental 
illness
 
 
   ? “..the role of principle Barry hater - and you have to admire the gusto!”  
 No, we all rate posts as we may read them on spectrum; from posts that make: 
Observations, to suggestions, to criticism, by negativity and tone, to 
apostasy, thence to active anger and hating. In reading these posts I feel Ann 
through reading the individual postings here simply lost some faith more in 
Turq by her better understanding of his writing and approach here after reading 
the Lenz book that was posted here. It is that simple also. 
  I always read the Turq and feel he has a valid perspective from having 'been 
there' at a time, by his contrast with spiritual experience like Fleet's, and 
now I feel I have an even better understanding of him as a critic from this 
recent Freddy Lenz/Rama thread on FFL. Context often is everything. 
 
 
 That is something that is particularly good about the writing on FFL, that it 
often can render down what is truth. Judy was very much part of that process 
when she was here. Ann also helps with that by virtue of her mind about things 
and by life experience as context about things here. Some here have been pricks 
and Ann may be prickly towards people at times.  Rick seems to welcome almost 
everyone contributing to the related topics of FairfieldLife. I thank Rick for 
that. Public forum is often one of the best checks against theocratic tyranny. 
 
 
 There was an amazing open meeting last night in meditating Fairfield where 
everything was on the table in front of a bunch of the higher-up apparatchiks 
of the new TM movement. For upward pressures on the organization being beyond 
theocratic control, FFL has long been a part of the calculus of the meditating 
Fairfield communal culture. 
 There is a lot of change going on inside right now by virtue of the attention 
of public forum. Turq in his way has been part of that for years by force of 
his experience, personality and writing. I would miss him if he gets entirely 
hounded or completely embarrassed off of this forum. In the same way I feel it 
was really mean the way they hounded Judy personally off this list and out of 
this community. Rick and the moderators should have stopped that before the 
end. 
 I would hope we could all be kinder with one another in process. 
 Jai Guru Dev, 
 -Buck in the Dome 
 





 
 









 




Re: [FairfieldLife] FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-22 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Why? Its enough for me to know your prediction/projection of her demise/ and or 
serious injury was dead wrong.




 From: jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 3:45 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of 
mental illness
 


  
MJ,

I did a prashna chart about Judy's whereabouts.  I don't have her birth chart.

However, Ann claims that she heard from the horses mouth that Judy is okay.  
We should get more clarification about this from Ann as to why Judy left.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :


You forget, JR claimed that according to Judy's jyotish she had met with some 
horrible accident.




 From: dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 9:28 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form
of mental illness



 
?
“..the role of principle Barry hater - and you have to admire the
gusto!”  
No,
we all rate posts as we may read them on spectrum; from posts that
make: Observations, to suggestions, to criticism, by negativity and
tone, to apostasy, thence to active anger and hating.  In reading these posts I
feel Ann through reading the individual postings here simply lost some faith 
more in Turq by her better understanding of his writing and approach here after 
reading the
Lenz book that was posted here.  It is that simple also. 
 I always
read the Turq and feel he has a valid perspective from having 'been
there' at a time, by his contrast with spiritual experience like
Fleet's, and now I feel I have an even better understanding of him as
a critic from this recent Freddy Lenz/Rama thread on FFL.  Context often
is everything.  

That
is something that is particularly good about the writing on FFL, that
it often can render down what is truth.  Judy was very much part of
that process when she was here.  Ann also helps with that by virtue
of her mind about things and by life experience as context about
things here.  Some here have been pricks and Ann may be prickly towards people 
at
times.  Rick seems to welcome almost  everyone contributing to the
related topics of FairfieldLife.   I thank Rick for that.  Public
forum is often one of the best checks against theocratic tyranny.  

There
was an amazing open meeting last night in meditating Fairfield where
everything was on the table in front of a bunch of the higher-up apparatchiks 
of the new TM movement.  For  upward pressures on the organization
being beyond theocratic control, FFL has long been a part of the calculus of 
the meditating Fairfield communal culture.  
There
is a lot of change going on inside right now by virtue of the
attention of public forum.  Turq in his way has been part of that for
years by force of his experience, personality and writing.  I would
miss him if he gets entirely hounded or completely embarrassed off of
this forum.  In the same way I feel it was really mean the way they
hounded Judy personally off this list and out of this community.
Rick and the moderators should have stopped that before the end.  
I
would hope we could all be kinder with one another in process.  
Jai
Guru Dev,  
-Buck
in the Dome 





Re: [FairfieldLife] FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-22 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 Why? Its enough for me to know your prediction/projection of her demise/ and 
or serious injury was dead wrong.

 

 Calm down gentlemen. I simply asked Judy to respond in some small way to 
whether she was okay and if she needed something from me as we here at FFL 
hadn't heard from her for a while. This was over two months ago. She responded 
with two words, Don't worry. That is enough for me. If she needed my 
assistance in some way she would have asked for it. I am not sure her choice to 
stop posting here should be a platform for whether jyotish is valid or not. We 
can only deduce a couple of things from this small reply I got and those are: 
1) she appears to be alive 2) she can still type. For whatever reason she has 
taken a powder and good for her.  
 

 
 









 


 











Re: [FairfieldLife] FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness

2014-10-22 Thread steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Is it possible, she may have found true love in Toronto?
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 You forget, JR claimed that according to Judy's jyotish she had met with some 
horrible accident.

 

 From: dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 9:28 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental 
illness
 
 
   ? “..the role of principle Barry hater - and you have to admire the gusto!”  
 No, we all rate posts as we may read them on spectrum; from posts that make: 
Observations, to suggestions, to criticism, by negativity and tone, to 
apostasy, thence to active anger and hating. In reading these posts I feel Ann 
through reading the individual postings here simply lost some faith more in 
Turq by her better understanding of his writing and approach here after reading 
the Lenz book that was posted here. It is that simple also. 
  I always read the Turq and feel he has a valid perspective from having 'been 
there' at a time, by his contrast with spiritual experience like Fleet's, and 
now I feel I have an even better understanding of him as a critic from this 
recent Freddy Lenz/Rama thread on FFL. Context often is everything. 
 
 
 That is something that is particularly good about the writing on FFL, that it 
often can render down what is truth. Judy was very much part of that process 
when she was here. Ann also helps with that by virtue of her mind about things 
and by life experience as context about things here. Some here have been pricks 
and Ann may be prickly towards people at times.  Rick seems to welcome almost 
everyone contributing to the related topics of FairfieldLife. I thank Rick for 
that. Public forum is often one of the best checks against theocratic tyranny. 
 
 
 There was an amazing open meeting last night in meditating Fairfield where 
everything was on the table in front of a bunch of the higher-up apparatchiks 
of the new TM movement. For upward pressures on the organization being beyond 
theocratic control, FFL has long been a part of the calculus of the meditating 
Fairfield communal culture. 
 There is a lot of change going on inside right now by virtue of the attention 
of public forum. Turq in his way has been part of that for years by force of 
his experience, personality and writing. I would miss him if he gets entirely 
hounded or completely embarrassed off of this forum. In the same way I feel it 
was really mean the way they hounded Judy personally off this list and out of 
this community. Rick and the moderators should have stopped that before the 
end. 
 I would hope we could all be kinder with one another in process. 
 Jai Guru Dev, 
 -Buck in the Dome