Re: [FairfieldLife] My Enlightenment Delusion - new book

2017-03-24 Thread Archer Angel archonan...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
O.K.
I had a lot of beautiful experiences. The rough stuff came many years later and 
I had to work it out on my own how to handle it.
It was really spontaneous and not triggered directly by meditation but other 
events, but clearly related to all I had practiced in the past.
It was as if a block had been dissolved, and all the dark was free to surface 
and flee.
I never however thought of it as "kundalini" as that word never really had much 
impact on my thought processes as concerned what was happening.
There was a point where it seemed I knew a few things others did not know, but 
fortunately that passed. It is hard to talk about unusual experiences, 
especially if the word "enlightenment" is involved, without being a kind of 
jerk.
Sometimes I think there should be a rule -- wait ten years or so after a cool 
experience before you blab about it to give time to assimilate it properly and 
give perspective.

   

   From: "'My Enlightenment Delusion' myenlightenmentdelus...@gmail.com 
[FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2017 9:46 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] My Enlightenment Delusion - new book
  
    To me, a kundalini crisis is an overwhelming mind-body experience caused by 
spiritual practices. Many spiritual movements speak of the kundalini energy 
center and its role in enlightenment. It is a fairly common conception that a 
huge burst of energy from the kundalini center can create an overwhelming 
experience akin to mania.  I don’t think I ever heard Maharishi speak of 
kundalini, but I had conversations with other TM teachers about kundalini over 
the years. Here is a link to a transcript of Maharishi speaking about kundalini 
in 1968 http://institutespiritualsciences.org/blog_mmy/mmykundalini.php  Here 
is an excerpt from my book:The most scientific description of kundalini crises 
that I have found is in the 1992 book, The Kundalini Experience by Lee 
Sannella, M.D. Sannella interviewed people who had come through kundalini 
crises. He came up with 4 categories of experience: motor, sensory, 
non-physiological, and interpretive. As motor phenomena, Sannella listed kriyas 
and unusual breathing patterns. Under sensory phenomena, he listed tickling 
sensations, heat and cold sensations, inner light, inner sounds, and pain in 
the eyes, head, spine, or elsewhere. Under non-physiological phenomena, 
Sannella listed out-of-body experiences and psychic perceptions.As interpretive 
phenomena, Sannella listed both positive and negative feelings that could be 
experienced with much greater intensity than usual such as ecstasy, love, 
cosmic harmony, fear and confusion. He stated that the thinking process could 
be speeded up or inhibited. The mental experience could be detachment, 
hysteria, a state akin to schizophrenia, or the delusion of having been 
divinely chosen.Here are my symptoms which match Sannella’s descriptions: ●  
When my kundalini crisis began, I had tingling all over my body. It felt like a 
continuous, small electric shock sensation which was pleasant and exciting. ●  
I had extreme feelings of joy and thankfulness that seemed to be related to my 
thoughts that I was enlightened. When I had delusions about achieving even 
higher states of consciousness, I would subsequently be so ecstatic and so 
thankful that I would start to cry. ●  All of my feelings were experienced with 
greater intensity than usual. When I spoke, I spoke like a fire-brand preacher. 
My voice almost became raspy as if I had been yelling at a sporting event. ●  I 
thought I had earned a special relationship with God and nature. From: Archer 
Angel archonan...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2017 2:36 
PMTo: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] My 
Enlightenment Delusion - new book   I am rather curious about this. What is a 
kundalini crisis? 
Some people do have trouble with TM's effects, everyone has a different nervous 
system, and some have problems, and the movement does not always handle these 
things well.  Unlike some systems TM does not have any real qualifications for 
starting. 
For example to study Vedanta you might be required at the outset to have:    
   - an open mind   
 
   - a reasonable mind   
 
   - a discriminating mind   
 
   - a dispassionate mind   
 
   - a disciplined, observant mind   
 
   - a sense of self duty   
 
   - forbearance, motivation, and devotion to the goal   
 
   - a certain level of critical thinking but not overly critical   
 
   - a temperament for overcoming obstacles   
 
   - a proper teacher and good fortune to have and find these
 TM lets in all kinds of people with few restraints, but as a result a lot of 
crazies get by who are not prepared for what can happen. The path to 
enlightenment is not all bliss. It can get very very gritty. I think a lot of 
people get in who have a lot of strange belief

Re: [FairfieldLife] My Enlightenment Delusion - new book

2017-03-24 Thread rajawilliamsm...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
I use to have kundalini  experiences before i learned to meditate, maybe 12-13 
years old, i use think to myself "don't they know" .   


Re: [FairfieldLife] My Enlightenment Delusion - new book

2017-03-23 Thread steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Dude, are your really here to dialog? I had a kundalini crisis some forty years 
ago, and it's been kickin" my ass ever since.  Like this instant, even.  Yea, 
it's hell, but it's my cross, and it's basically like walking on a razor's 
edge, and I can sure as hell understand why you bailed. 

 This sucker can wear you down, if you don't navigate it just right, and that's 
what I've been having to do for all these years.  
 

 But, but, this kundalini is also, Grace, and it gives you enlightenment.  
Okay, okay, so you don't believe in enlightenment.  No biggie.  But, please 
don't tell me that I'm fn moodmaking, because my experience of refinement 
in thinking and perception has been about this same amount of time, 40 years, 
in the making.
 

 And with the demands I have on a daily basis, I really can't indulge in that 
stuff.
 

 But, hey, you said  you're retired, so enjoy that ride into the sunset.


Re: [FairfieldLife] My Enlightenment Delusion - new book

2017-03-23 Thread yifux...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Thx, looks like a great book.  I'll tack it onto my list.  The Classic and 
arguably most important early (1967) book on the Kundalini was Gopi Krishna's 
"Kundalini, the Evolutionary Energy in Man"
 However, imo - for a more complete picture, splice Gopi Krishna's 
experience(s) together with MMY's scheme of the 7 states of Consciousness, as 
well as the "Kriyas" in Kriya Yoga such as a. Light, b. Sound, c. Outer body 
travel, d. the Amrit (Nectar), and (more advanced): Levitation.  Then, extract 
(c), the Outer body travel component and examine this more closely using the 
testimonies of various proponents in the Sant Mat Tradition such as Kirpal 
Singh, Charan Singh, Darshan Singh, and Sant Rajinder Singh (Kirpal's Grandson).
 ...Given the more complete story by combining all of such testimonies 
together, we can (imo) come a more precise assessment of our own status within 
the context of what's possible and probable.
  If anybody is delusional, I'd say that most of the Neo-Advaitins (many if not 
most of the Batgappers) have proclaimed an preeminent status that's mostly 
undeserved and based on an Egoic remnant. But one I respect most of all is 
Harri Aalto for the following basic reason.:
 The first message of the Neo-Advaitins is that they are Enlightened or 
"Awakened", then they leave it at that.
 To use an analogy of MMY,: the Jumbo Jet from West Coast to East,  One fly 
over the entire US from coast to coast and not see any of the scenery in the 
"fly-over" towns.  This is like getting from "A" (L.A.) to "N" (NY) without 
going through B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, J, K, L, and M.
 Which person is more "advanced": the one with only knowledge of LA and NY, or 
the one with knowledge of everything inbetween AND the coasts.
 Here's an excerpt on Gopi Krishna from Wikipedia:
 .
 Gopi Krishna was born in 1903, near the city of Srinagar, in the Jammu and 
Kashmir State in northern India. He spent his earlier years there and later, in 
Lahore, in the Punjab of British India. At the age of twenty, he returned to 
Kashmir. During the succeeding years he secured a post in the state government, 
married and raised a family. Early in his career he became the leader of a 
social organisation that was devoted to helping the disadvantaged in his 
community, especially with regard to issues concerning the well-being and 
rights of women.
 Career[edit 
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gopi_Krishna_(yogi)=edit=2]
 Part of a series https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Hinduism on Hinduism 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hinduism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hinduism 
Hindu https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindu History 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Hinduism Concepts 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindu_philosophy[show] 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gopi_Krishna_(yogi)#
 God / Highest Reality Brahman https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brahman Ishvara 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ishvara Views on monotheism 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindu_views_on_monotheism God and gender 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_and_gender_in_Hinduism Life Atman 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C4%80tman_(Hinduism) Maya 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maya_(illusion) Karma 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karma Samsara 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samsara Purusharthas 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purusharthas
 Dharma https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dharma Artha 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artha Kama https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kama 
Moksha https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moksha Ethics Niti shastra 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethics_in_religion#Hindu_ethics Yamas 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamas Niyama https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niyama 
Ahimsa https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahimsa Asteya 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asteya Aparigraha 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aparigraha Brahmacharya 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brahmacharya Satya 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satya Damah 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temperance_(virtue)#Hinduism Dayā 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compassion#Hinduism Akrodha 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akrodha Ārjava 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C4%80rjava Santosha 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santosha Tapas 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tapas_(Sanskrit) Svādhyāya 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sv%C4%81dhy%C4%81ya Shaucha 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaucha Mitahara 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitahara Dāna 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D%C4%81na Liberation 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moksha Bhakti yoga 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bhakti_yoga Jnana yoga 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jnana_yoga Karma yoga 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karma_yoga 

 Schools https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindu_philosophy[show] 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gopi_Krishna_(yogi)#
 Six Astika schools https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astika Samkhya 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samkhya Yoga 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yoga_(philosophy) Nyaya 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nyaya 

Re: [FairfieldLife] My Enlightenment Delusion - new book

2017-03-23 Thread Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]
The first time I tried meditation, out of book, kundalini rose and 
filled my head with light as if I was in the center of the sun.  It left 
me disoriented for months.  I was only expecting some mild relaxation 
and not what I got.


On 03/23/2017 02:38 PM, 'My Enlightenment Delusion' 
myenlightenmentdelus...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:


To me, a kundalini crisis is an overwhelming mind-body experience 
caused by spiritual practices.
Many spiritual movements speak of the kundalini energy center and its 
role in enlightenment. It is a fairly common conception that a huge 
burst of energy from the kundalini center can create an overwhelming 
experience akin to mania.
I don’t think I ever heard Maharishi speak of kundalini, but I had 
conversations with other TM teachers about kundalini over the years. 
Here is a link to a transcript of Maharishi speaking about kundalini 
in 1968 http://institutespiritualsciences.org/blog_mmy/mmykundalini.php

Here is an excerpt from my book:

The most scientific description of kundalini crises that I have found 
is in the 1992 book, /The Kundalini Experience/ by Lee Sannella, M.D. 
Sannella interviewed people who had come through kundalini crises. He 
came up with 4 categories of experience: motor, sensory, 
non-physiological, and interpretive.


As *motor*phenomena, Sannella listed kriyas and unusual breathing 
patterns. Under *sensory*phenomena, he listed tickling sensations, 
heat and cold sensations, inner light, inner sounds, and pain in the 
eyes, head, spine, or elsewhere. Under *non-physiological* phenomena, 
Sannella listed out-of-body experiences and psychic perceptions.


As *interpretive*phenomena, Sannella listed both positive and negative 
feelings that could be experienced with much greater intensity than 
usual such as ecstasy, love, cosmic harmony, fear and confusion. He 
stated that the thinking process could be speeded up or inhibited. The 
mental experience could be detachment, hysteria, a state akin to 
schizophrenia, or the delusion of having been divinely chosen.


Here are my symptoms which match Sannella’s descriptions:

●When my kundalini crisis began, I had tingling all over my body. It 
felt like a continuous, small electric shock sensation which was 
pleasant and exciting.


●I had extreme feelings of joy and thankfulness that seemed to be 
related to my thoughts that I was enlightened. When I had delusions 
about achieving even higher states of consciousness, I would 
subsequently be so ecstatic and so thankful that I would start to cry.


●All of my feelings were experienced with greater intensity than 
usual. When I spoke, I spoke like a fire-brand preacher. My voice 
almost became raspy as if I had been yelling at a sporting event.


●I thought I had earned a special relationship with God and nature.

*From:* Archer Angel archonan...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
*Sent:* Thursday, March 23, 2017 2:36 PM
*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] My Enlightenment Delusion - new book

I am rather curious about this. What is a kundalini crisis?

Some people do have trouble with TM's effects, everyone has a 
different nervous system, and some have problems, and the movement 
does not always handle these things well.
Unlike some systems TM does not have any real qualifications for 
starting.


For example to study Vedanta you might be required at the outset to have:

  * an open mind
  * a reasonable mind
  * a discriminating mind
  * a dispassionate mind
  * a disciplined, observant mind
  * a sense of self duty
  * forbearance, motivation, and devotion to the goal
  * a certain level of critical thinking but not overly critical
  * a temperament for overcoming obstacles
  * a proper teacher and good fortune to have and find these

TM lets in all kinds of people with few restraints, but as a result a 
lot of crazies get by who are not prepared for what can happen. The 
path to enlightenment is not all bliss. It can get very very gritty.
I think a lot of people get in who have a lot of strange beliefs and 
propensities that then go off the rails when they start having unusual 
experiences, or begin to experience heavy unstressing.
TM, while it talks of unstressing, it does not really prepare people 
for how intense it can be, and you need to have mental tools to handle 
what comes up.
I do not think most people really realize how screwed up they are 
before they start to meditate, especially if they get it in their 
bonnet that they are now on the fast track to enlightenment, they then 
presume too much about their progress.
A lot of meditators are still just close to being qualified by the 
criteria above after meditating for half a century.
That TM is easy to practice is deceptive in the sense that it alone 
cannot prepare one for some very strange experiences. That ease of 
practice does allow a lot of people to be taught, but a lot of 
concerns that can come up get swept under the rug, and TM teachers

Re: [FairfieldLife] My Enlightenment Delusion - new book

2017-03-23 Thread 'My Enlightenment Delusion' myenlightenmentdelus...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
To me, a kundalini crisis is an overwhelming mind-body experience caused by 
spiritual practices.

Many spiritual movements speak of the kundalini energy center and its role in 
enlightenment. It is a fairly common conception that a huge burst of energy 
from the kundalini center can create an overwhelming experience akin to mania. 

I don’t think I ever heard Maharishi speak of kundalini, but I had 
conversations with other TM teachers about kundalini over the years. Here is a 
link to a transcript of Maharishi speaking about kundalini in 1968 
http://institutespiritualsciences.org/blog_mmy/mmykundalini.php 

Here is an excerpt from my book:
The most scientific description of kundalini crises that I have found is in the 
1992 book, The Kundalini Experience by Lee Sannella, M.D. Sannella interviewed 
people who had come through kundalini crises. He came up with 4 categories of 
experience: motor, sensory, non-physiological, and interpretive. 

As motor phenomena, Sannella listed kriyas and unusual breathing patterns. 
Under sensory phenomena, he listed tickling sensations, heat and cold 
sensations, inner light, inner sounds, and pain in the eyes, head, spine, or 
elsewhere. Under non-physiological phenomena, Sannella listed out-of-body 
experiences and psychic perceptions.

As interpretive phenomena, Sannella listed both positive and negative feelings 
that could be experienced with much greater intensity than usual such as 
ecstasy, love, cosmic harmony, fear and confusion. He stated that the thinking 
process could be speeded up or inhibited. The mental experience could be 
detachment, hysteria, a state akin to schizophrenia, or the delusion of having 
been divinely chosen.

Here are my symptoms which match Sannella’s descriptions: 

●  When my kundalini crisis began, I had tingling all over my body. It felt 
like a continuous, small electric shock sensation which was pleasant and 
exciting. 

●  I had extreme feelings of joy and thankfulness that seemed to be related to 
my thoughts that I was enlightened. When I had delusions about achieving even 
higher states of consciousness, I would subsequently be so ecstatic and so 
thankful that I would start to cry. 

●  All of my feelings were experienced with greater intensity than usual. When 
I spoke, I spoke like a fire-brand preacher. My voice almost became raspy as if 
I had been yelling at a sporting event. 

●  I thought I had earned a special relationship with God and nature. 

From: Archer Angel archonan...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2017 2:36 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] My Enlightenment Delusion - new book

  

I am rather curious about this. What is a kundalini crisis? 


Some people do have trouble with TM's effects, everyone has a different nervous 
system, and some have problems, and the movement does not always handle these 
things well. 

Unlike some systems TM does not have any real qualifications for starting. 

For example to study Vedanta you might be required at the outset to have:

  a.. an open mind

  b.. a reasonable mind

  c.. a discriminating mind

  d.. a dispassionate mind

  e.. a disciplined, observant mind

  f.. a sense of self duty

  g.. forbearance, motivation, and devotion to the goal

  h.. a certain level of critical thinking but not overly critical

  i.. a temperament for overcoming obstacles

  j.. a proper teacher and good fortune to have and find these

TM lets in all kinds of people with few restraints, but as a result a lot of 
crazies get by who are not prepared for what can happen. The path to 
enlightenment is not all bliss. It can get very very gritty.

I think a lot of people get in who have a lot of strange beliefs and 
propensities that then go off the rails when they start having unusual 
experiences, or begin to experience heavy unstressing.

TM, while it talks of unstressing, it does not really prepare people for how 
intense it can be, and you need to have mental tools to handle what comes up.

I do not think most people really realize how screwed up they are before they 
start to meditate, especially if they get it in their bonnet that they are now 
on the fast track to enlightenment, they then presume too much about their 
progress.

A lot of meditators are still just close to being qualified by the criteria 
above after meditating for half a century.

That TM is easy to practice is deceptive in the sense that it alone cannot 
prepare one for some very strange experiences. That ease of practice does allow 
a lot of people to be taught, but a lot of concerns that can come up get swept 
under the rug, and TM teachers are not trained to deal with this. TM as a whole 
package is not customized enough to do this.

If you are fortunate you get through relatively unscathed, but if not I guess 
they end up like you!


From: "'My Enlightenment Del

Re: [FairfieldLife] My Enlightenment Delusion - new book

2017-03-23 Thread Archer Angel archonan...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
I am rather curious about this. What is a kundalini crisis? 
Some people do have trouble with TM's effects, everyone has a different nervous 
system, and some have problems, and the movement does not always handle these 
things well. 
Unlike some systems TM does not have any real qualifications for starting. 
For example to study Vedanta you might be required at the outset to have:
   
   - an open mind   

   - a reasonable mind   

   - a discriminating mind   

   - a dispassionate mind   

   - a disciplined, observant mind   

   - a sense of self duty   

   - forbearance, motivation, and devotion to the goal   

   - a certain level of critical thinking but not overly critical   

   - a temperament for overcoming obstacles   

   - a proper teacher and good fortune to have and find these

TM lets in all kinds of people with few restraints, but as a result a lot of 
crazies get by who are not prepared for what can happen. The path to 
enlightenment is not all bliss. It can get very very gritty.
I think a lot of people get in who have a lot of strange beliefs and 
propensities that then go off the rails when they start having unusual 
experiences, or begin to experience heavy unstressing.
TM, while it talks of unstressing, it does not really prepare people for how 
intense it can be, and you need to have mental tools to handle what comes up.
I do not think most people really realize how screwed up they are before they 
start to meditate, especially if they get it in their bonnet that they are now 
on the fast track to enlightenment, they then presume too much about their 
progress.
A lot of meditators are still just close to being qualified by the criteria 
above after meditating for half a century.
That TM is easy to practice is deceptive in the sense that it alone cannot 
prepare one for some very strange experiences. That ease of practice does allow 
a lot of people to be taught, but a lot of concerns that can come up get swept 
under the rug, and TM teachers are not trained to deal with this. TM as a whole 
package is not customized enough to do this.
If you are fortunate you get through relatively unscathed, but if not I guess 
they end up like you!  From: "'My Enlightenment Delusion' 
myenlightenmentdelus...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2017 2:08 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] My Enlightenment Delusion - new book
   
    I just finished writing a book entitled, My Enlightenment Delusion: 
experiences and musings of a former Transcendental Meditation teacher. It is 
available at https://www.amazon.com/dp/B06XS55JKC/ for $2.99. The first 3 
chapters can be viewed on Amazon by clicking on “Look inside”.  A large part of 
the book is about my kundalini crisis and also contains my conjecture about 
kundalini crises. I recount some humorous ups and downs in my life as a TM 
teacher. I explain why the similarities between grandiose delusions, psychotic 
mania, and kundalini crises are more than a coincidence.  --Matt Landing  
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